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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 22, 2010, 10:54:09 AM »

And let me recap the range of opinions you guys have have shared:

Used games are bad for the industry / Used gamers aren't real customers / Used games lead to new sales of sequels / We don't want to see used games eliminated

Is there not a certain disconnect between these ideas?

And you guys need to review your definition of 'defending'.  It means "To support or maintain, as by argument or action; justify."  There's nothing wrong with defending a large corporation, I do it when talking piracy.  But it's also fair to defend the consumer, and I don't feel I should be labeled "a complainer" or accused of sounding uneducated or having no logical business sense.

If I have insulted you and inadvertently called you uneducated I do apologize(your showing weakness), that is never my intent. And according to Websters your absolutely right about my "defending" so maybe I need to further educate myself before posting(I knew that GED wasn't worth squat).

BlacknMild2k1, vudu, UncleBob, I apologize to you if I'm using your names in vein.(pffttt! wimp)

But I do want to clarify my opinions in your recaps;

Used games are bad for the industry; Used games indirectly causes problems for publishers/developers because those sales don't reflect how many people want and play their games. If investors/publishers knew how many of their titles of interest were being sold at a place like GS, this may be handled differently.

Used gamers aren't real customers; They are real customers, they are(insert your used gaming option here)'s customers.   

Used games lead to new sales of sequels; Used games CAN lead to new sales of sequels but more times than not it leads to a used game sequel sale.

We don't want to see used  games eliminated; Nope, sure don't. I wouldn't have played half of the games that i have if it wasn't for the used games market. Didn't know about Zack & wiki till late in the game. Pikimin, Arkaham Asylum, GBA Pokemon that you cant get in the new joints. Thank you used games, thank you........fin

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: All Pokewalkers arent created equaly....

« on: May 22, 2010, 10:07:56 AM »

They usually find items when I check the pokewalker while out and about. Maybe you could try it on your morning runs?

........wasn't going to do this but, funny story.

I was out on a run bout a week ago and I wanted to check how my lil bugger was doing and I was watching the far away animation it shows when its in motion and then I noti** CURB!! oooofff skerrrrr uh.....

Needless to say I try not to distract myself with poke"watching" while running, but I will stop and run in place the next time I'm on the road. Thanx!!

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 21, 2010, 08:56:39 PM »

vudu,

Awesome points. My brain exploded though.

Mr. Bob,

He cant here you.

Guitar Smasher,

Are you even reading the posts? BlacknMild2k1, vudu, UncleBob, and myself aren't blindly defending EA(or any other publisher that WILL use this model) nor do we want to see the complete demise of used games sales.

Were just trying to point out that you just can't take the position of " Maaan I don't like dis so it aint right, dey be akin' stupid"

Used games have the ability to entice you to buy the sequel to a cool game, but we dont get that sequel if More and More and More people buy it used.

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 21, 2010, 02:05:44 PM »

Ian Sane my kind sir,
Were not defending them, WE UNDERSTAND -- WHAT THEY -- ARE -- DOOOING.

So does Ian, he just thinks its bull****.  Oh yeah, and you are defending them since you have multiple posts where you try to convince people that EA isn't evil (your word not mine).

From what I read I understood that Mr. Ian Sane thinks that EA is "stealing" from the consumer that wants to buy EA's product...... they are not.

Defending them..... well I thought I was rationalizing with the BUSINESS decision that they made.

Let's not get it twisted, I play Madden. I almost NEVER buy the current year game. The only current years I EVER bought were 96 and 2000. I live in Japan and I play online with my siblings to keep in touch( I do not facebook....). For years my brothers and I wait till the new year comes out and then RAID the bargain bin. Game stop only goes down to 35 duckets of the previous year titles(used) but Target/Best Buy/WalMart got dem joints for 75% off........new. This trend is almost gar-ron-teeeed to continue and I'm sure that code stays in that UN OPENED box......

For the most part we ALL love Amazon/EBay?our cousin/GameStop(no mater how they may treat us) and the opportunity they allow........MORE GAMING AT A CHEAPER PRICE. But it does Limit what publishers can do, which limits developers, which creates half a$$ games because there are so many of us(me included) that just wait a little while and get it for the low low.

At the end of the day all of us want the best gaming product possible for the dollas we spend.  But those of us(the more educated gamers that take the time to even take notice to a topic like this) who see and hear about game studios shutting down and people losing jobs must realize that the gaming industry must set themselves up for as much success as possible, no matter which company it is.

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NWR Forums Discord / Re: EA plans to stick it to DAaaMan

« on: May 21, 2010, 01:18:48 PM »

zzzzzzhhhhhheeeeeeooooooommmmmm!!!

Something just flew over my head...............

guess it was nothing.

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 21, 2010, 03:30:49 AM »

I'm getting this vibe like I'm totally out of line because I'm upset that EA is taking away something that used to be free.

Like I said...........

Anytime consumers have to begin paying for something that WUZZZ free or should be included, it's an "OUTRAGE"!

Parking on the street in downtown areas use-ta be free......
Toys use-ta come in the cereal box....
PS3 use-ta be backwards compatible.......
I use-ta be a woman......... wait, now that's an outrage!

But seriously, yes EA is a big company. But big companies want to stay big, so they have to have forward thinking ideas.

But was EA soooooo EVIL when they worked to bring in new IP's from from quirky developers that didn't sell?

Ian Sane my kind sir,
Were not defending them, WE UNDERSTAND -- WHAT THEY -- ARE -- DOOOING.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: All Pokewalkers arent created equaly....

« on: May 20, 2010, 03:43:21 PM »

I have yet to encounter a Group A Pokemon. I almost always get Group C. Yesterday I kept trying to get a Duskull (Group B) on Winner's Path and it kept running away even when I got it down to 1 bar.

Dont know what to say bout the one bar thing, that's just bad luck but for the !!!! Pokemon, both me and my son usually need to have about 9000+ steps.

Gotta step-em . . . all?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: All Pokewalkers arent created equaly....

« on: May 20, 2010, 07:50:37 AM »

I have HeartGold and my pokemon find random items all the time.

Aww man, back to square 1..............

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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Katchup: On Bun Or On Patty?

« on: May 20, 2010, 07:48:23 AM »

Mayo goes on the bottom of the top half of the bun.  It's thick enough, it doesn't soak into the bun.  Lettuce goes next - it'll attach to the mayo.  Then, tomato slices on top of the lettuce, so you can put your thumbs on the top of the bun as you flip it over to help hold the lettuce on the bun.

Now, on the bottom bun, you got your patty, cheese, then ketchup - one spiral ring (three loops wide).  Four pickles, not overlapping (unless they're big slices) and a small handful of sliced onions.

That's how you make a Whopper.

Hey!!!

I used to work at Burger King!!! that's exactly RIGHT!! The secret is out!! OPERATION SHUTDOWN!!!

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 20, 2010, 03:51:55 AM »

How is EA screwing you?  If you buy from them, you're getting the exact same product you've always gotten.  EA has never made any promises about resell value.

Exactly,

I truly do not understand how EA and THQ are SOOOOO evil for doing this.

You buy it new=you paid them for the SERVICE they provide.
You buy it used=you pay for the service GameStop/Pawn Shop/some shady dude provides.
Want EA/THQ/the next publisher to adapt service??? F*** Y** PAY ME!!!

New question - What if EA universally dropped the price of new games $10 and did not include the activation code.  Instead, you pay $50 for the game and if you want to play it online or have access to the online content, you then pay the extra $10?  What would your opinion be on that?

It would stop "some" crying but then folk would still think there being cheated because the service is there and $50 is good enough to give them to have access.

Anytime consumers have to begin paying for something that WUZZZ free or should be included, it's an "OUTRAGE"!

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TalkBack / Re: Nintendo Files 3DS-Related Trademarks in Japan

« on: May 20, 2010, 02:56:11 AM »

Not to repave this discussion, but there is more than greed-based reasons why they may not offer transfers.

Do you mean it may be technical issues? The lack of an account based system? They could give a flying F**K! They might sue themselves for copyright infringement?

Come-on JJ, dont leave me on such a cliff-hanga!!

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 19, 2010, 06:23:25 PM »

Let's say EA is a Buffet restaurant, the game is your receipt (given at time of purchase) and online is the all you can eat buffet.

20 people sit down to eat and take advantage of the all you can eat buffet till they've had their fill. Now they go outside and sell their receipt to the next hungry guy in line. That guy who says they already paid for the meal and shows his receipt, now sits down and eats all that he can and leaves and sells his(same) ticket to the next guy in line. rinse wash repeat till the day is over (server shuts down).

Now the buffet was designed that the cost of it would be spread out over time by the amount of legitimate customers that pay the price of the meal. Not everyone is gonna have 15 lobsters 4 steaks and enough plates of food to feed a small village. But just because someone only had a small salad and some fruit, doesn't mean the next hungry man in line can just come in and have his fill too without compensating the restaurant for eating their food on their premises.

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! That was off tha chain.

Ian Sane,

Against it ENTIRELY?? Yes were entitled to used and this doesn't take away form that option but isn't EA and any other publisher for that matter entitled to try to get as much chedda as possible? FACT:If you but a BMW and re-sell it the next buyer can only get maintenance parts from BMW. This way BMW gets some type of money from people that didn't buy from them.

I'm not completely sold on the fact that the server cost is a big problem for EA but that's because I don't know what it costs them to stand it up and maintain.

Rentals get a free 7 day pass, and I'm sure that folk that do GameFly and keep forever already have disposable income and wont mind the $10. Yes EA will be alright but I think that in the future games like SplosionMan can go for retail and have a LittleBigPlanet like multiplayer.... and survive.

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 19, 2010, 05:33:56 PM »

broodwars:

I'm of the opinion that to counter used sales, publishers should add more value to new purchases or simply reduce the price, rather than devaluing both the original purchase and the used purchase.

The system that allows used game sales isn't what's wrong with the industry, it's the mindset of consumers who sell their games after one playthrough and the used buyers who can't justify paying full price.  Frankly, if games were more valuable in the minds of consumers the whole used games industry would be much more balanced.  Unfortunately it seems that most games released in the modern industry are simply priced too high and don't resonate enough with their audience.

I think a lot of that comes from the cross the board pricing we get now a days, it's a bit better now because some titles may come out a few dollars less than the previous but it's still not common practice yet.

Uncharted 2 = $60 mmmm ok.
Iron Man 2 = $60 mmmm FTW!

But value is always such a wide argument that it's hard to pinpoint. If one looked at how much time they pour in GTAuto, COD MW2, and Madden 2010 then they squoze every dolla out of it. But does that mean that single player games that only warrant two playthroughs and maybe 3 on super rare occasions should be the same price??

Too much to be held in the eye of the beholder to judge...

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 19, 2010, 05:21:55 PM »

And that's ignoring the fact that these companies will almost definitely lower prices over time to spur sales. That's just simple economics.

Depends on the publisher and/or game.  In the case of sports titles I think it's quite possible that the publisher will simply stop offering last year's game and force you to buy this year's at full price.  Why would EA sell you Madden 2012 for $20 when they could sell you Madden 2013 for $60?

Yeah,

By limiting how many disks they ship they can further control how many are out there and create that hunger for the next title. Because this will push the sale of the new purchase and those that ensure that they want it new wont be trading it in because they play online till the new one is released. Skewing the availability of the used and still cash in when the older year goes to the bargain bin.

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General Gaming / Re: EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 19, 2010, 04:21:40 PM »

I can't wait for digital delivery to take over. Then publishers won't have to do any of this stuff to protect themselves anymore, and Gamestop will be forced to change their business model.

On the flip side, though, we'll all be at the mercy of the publishers when it comes to game prices.  Right now, if you don't have money for the full game, you can probably buy a new or used copy at a significantly lower price right now buying from an alternative seller.  With digital distribution, though, unless we're talking about Valve we're probably going to see a lot of hard locks on that $50+ price tag and there won't be market forces to correct that.

^that is a very good point.

Talk about scary, because once, not if, EA sees how many hardcore sports players will still deal with it will be a business model that the other publishers will jump at and once that's done............ we're done.

Straight up digital solves one prob but creates a slew of others; hard drive issues, areas with download limits(I'm in one), and fixed/forced pricing. The way that Nintendo's VC/WW prices never budge............. yup no more summer and spring sales. either you want it or you don't.

(sniff)(sniff).... and  I want it.....

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General Gaming / EA plans to stick it to da man...or us...

« on: May 19, 2010, 05:46:02 AM »

On the PS3 and Xbox 360 beginning in June with Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 11, EA Sports launches Online Pass.

This means if you buy your Madden day 1, you are unaffected and will enter the one time use code that comes in the box, but those late adaptors that want to get that 5 dolla discount at GameStop will have to acquire this code via your online network(Live/PSN).

Which would mean you'll actually pay 64.99 instead of 59.99 unless GameStop makes a special adjustment to their EA Sports titles. And you can be sure that the GameStop EA Sports current year titles wont go down till the next year's game is on the shelf but that 10 dolla stipend will still exist to get on the server. Andrew Wilson the Senior VP of World Wide Development answered a few questions here
 

Now I think this is a good move for ANY publisher, let's not scowl because its EA. This way with all of those second hand purchases, if you want the online stuff and use the server that Costs Money to keep em' running you gotta pay to get in......

I think XBOX 360 owners that likes the used market for these games might wanna flip out because they already pay for online service and now they gotta pay sum mo!!

What about the Wii? Is that online audience not worth charging , (I'm offended) Will the "ever so courteous" GameStop employees warn un-knowing mothers of this??(ppffftt)

But will this turn into a bigger problem/"solution"??  Will Capcom begin to charge with their online titles, starting with.....hmmm Marvel vs. Capcom 3??? Activision not allowing online bands in Guitar Hero 58............

What say you NWR???

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TalkBack / Re: Nintendo Files 3DS-Related Trademarks in Japan

« on: May 19, 2010, 04:31:07 AM »

While the name "3DSWare" appears easy enough to decipher - a downloadable content delivery service akin to the Nintendo DSi's DSiWare

I think this also spells bad news for the owners of DSiWare games, this may mean that the dreaded truth may be upon us...........NOT TRANSFERABLE..BLE..BLE..BLE....(that was an echo)

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TalkBack / Re: New Scribblenauts Game Gets Super

« on: May 19, 2010, 04:15:33 AM »

or a 3 strikes mode, where you can only use a specific word 3 times throughout the entire game.

Oh wait, there's still a way around that..........

With so many more options this time and the inclusion of adjectives means we can have 20 different styles of the same thing. Unless the root word is what gets limited.

.........I feel defeated already........

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TalkBack / Re: New Scribblenauts Game Gets Super

« on: May 18, 2010, 03:55:52 PM »

or a 3 strikes mode, where you can only use a specific word 3 times throughout the entire game.

That's brutal, but it would force some major creativity for the levels toward the end and we would realize the limitlessness of the game.

But oh how many crybabies will we get due to its difficulty. Maybe a unlock-able mode after your first run-through?

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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Katchup: On Bun Or On Patty?

« on: May 18, 2010, 03:50:00 PM »

Mmm Mayo, Ketchup and relish sounds like secret sauce...

Mayo, is the work of the devil..... you must use " The tangy Zip! of Miracle Whip!"........allrightsreserved,MiracleWhipisanationaltrademarkofKraftFoodsGlobalInc.

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TalkBack / Re: Nintendo and American Heart Association Announcement Tomorrow

« on: May 18, 2010, 12:04:14 AM »

I know that the thread isn't necessarily about this but looking at this quote.........

Considering that E3 is for the industry and only the HARDCORE are paying attention, then it would be wise to get all the casual focused stuff out the way

Nintendo "is" changing the game as we know it so what if they're trying to get the casual involved or at least interested in E3. This Vitality Sensor announcement may be tailled with "a see more at E3 2010 blah blah date." Instead of this being an article in Fitness Magazine, it may me on the Yahoo ticker for "mom that needs to relax" article.

Just a thought........

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TalkBack / Re: New Scribblenauts Game Gets Super

« on: May 17, 2010, 11:51:38 PM »

This excites me (that's what she said).

Usually here in Japan it takes a minute to get retail releases at our American stores. (I won't pre-order Everything)

I was anticipating the first one then by the time it got here the "Hands On" reviews were out so of course I changed my mind but as most has stated the concept of the game is crrddddazy! Plus it won some awards for innovation.

So now thanx to the early adopters I can feel confident in this new title. 

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: All Pokewalkers arent created equaly....

« on: May 17, 2010, 11:35:41 PM »

In my infinite wisdom and all around knownuthin', I have concluded my final results of Pokewalkerism......

People with SoulSilver are routinely happier people

If you use the clip, then you lose some steps. It likes a more unstable range of motion............ unless you clip it to your socks, then you up your steps by 15-20% I went from 6000+ steps to 8000+ on the same route.

People with SoulSilver tend to find more random items. I only surveyed 11 people but three of us has HeartGold and every body else always had random items, we only had complaints. 


If you have a job where you sit at a desk for the most part, connect it to your sleeve.... you will be amazed or use a wrist band(sweat).... madd mileage.

Got a dog??? don't do it... they'll get it off and well...... this thing is built like a tank but don't pres your luck(NO WAMMIES!)

Happy hunting my friends.

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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Katchup: On Bun Or On Patty?

« on: May 17, 2010, 11:13:51 PM »

Took a minute for me to decide but i have soooo many variables to go by,

If I'm at a BBQ and burgers w/out cheese are being served then Catchup on the patty is a must or I just starve...

now if they are melting Cheese on the burgers then I put the Ketchup on top of the cheese and if mustard is available then it goes on the bottom bun....

If I'm at the crib then I'm going to give my self the works but it is still specific where the stuff goes.... If I'm using lettuce then I must have Miracle Whip(mayo is nasty) or its no lettuce and the Whip must be on the top bun, no exceptions. I like to add onions but I need hamburger pickles to fully enjoy either of them, again either both or none, and on that same burger mustard must still be on the bottom.  If the burger is bigger  than my fist then i must have poppy seed buns.

Some times i feel a little frisky and mix miracle whip with a little Catsup some relish and chopped onions and pretend I'm at Mc Donalds...... What?? this is a serious matter.......

 

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TalkBack / Re: Nintendo Reveals Wii Party

« on: May 09, 2010, 06:18:19 PM »

I really like the idea of taking Mario out of the Nintendo Party franchise.  It opens it up to a broader market, and makes it more appealing for all ages.  It also frees it from any limitations and expectations of the Mario franchise.  Last, it frees the Mario franchise from this series.  Allowing to breath more life into both concepts. 

Mario is being reclaimed back to his roots this generation.  I believe this is why we haven't seen a Mario Golf and Mario Tennis really this generation.  The Wii sports franchise can become both of those experiences.  I just wish Nintendo would have made a full fledge Wii Golf package.

Exact-a-mundo!........... Wait i used that one already.

Precise-a-dactaly!!............. Better.