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Title: Switch Discussion Thread (Year 3: But where are the folders??!?!)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:04:27 AM
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Release Date: March 3, 2017.
Price: $299

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- Nintendo Switch Console
- Nintendo Switch Dock
- Left Joy-Con
- Right Joy-Con
- Joy-Con Wrist Straps
- Joy-Con Grip
- High Speed HDMI Cable
- Nintendo Switch AC Adapter


Peripherals
(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/joy-con_pro_controller.jpg)
Pro Controller - $69.99

(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/joy-con_pair_gray.jpg)
Joy-Con Controllers - $79.99 (Gray, Neon Blue, Neon Red, Combo Neon Blue/Red)

(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/joy-con_gray_l.jpg)(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/joy-con_gray_r.jpg)
Individual Joy-Cons - $49.99

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Joy-Con Grip - $29.99

(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/switch_dock.jpg)
Dock Set - $89.99

(http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/cocoon/switch-static-pages/switch/etRgxnAu0zRX4bmWnt9K628wG7YQUI6t/images/switch/buy-now/joy-con_wheel.jpg)
Joy-Con Steering Wheel (Set of 2) - $14.99

Games: https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=50026.0 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=50026.0)
Specs: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Nothing from the NA site yet)
Online Details: http://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/ (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/)


Official press release: https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/first-look-at-nintendos-new-home-gaming-system (https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/first-look-at-nintendos-new-home-gaming-system)

- A home gaming system with the mobility of a handheld
- NVIDIA Tegra confirmed (https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/ (https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/))
- NVIDIA is creating the graphics API themselves.
- The Switch console is the tablet. The dock is where the console rests. Lift the tablet, attach the controllers and it's now a handheld.
- Switch screen is HD.
- Detachable Controller Confirmed (Can be played separately or together). They're called the JOY-CON controllers
- Cartridges Confirmed
- Switch Pro-Controller Confirmed
- Black matte colored
- Local face-to-face multiplayer.
- DeNA involved with Nintendo account somehow.


Trailer song: White Denim - Ha Ha Ha Ha (Yeah)

Confirmed Partner List
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Title: Nintendo Switch
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 10:08:05 AM
Nintendo Switch

I'll update this with screenshots from the reveal video.

Logo:
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The new standalone controller:
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This **** that's going to break off every unit.
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Game Card slot and cowardly Headphone jack:
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Whatever the **** this game is:
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Nintendo Selfie-Stick™:
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
Ehh, I'm not taking anymore screenshots if you're going to do them. Carry on. Any mods want to merge these threads?
- Black matte colored
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:30:00 AM
I got you fam.

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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
Whelp, I'm totally on the hype train and excited for March.


Now to convince my wife that I need this in my life come March...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 10:41:19 AM
Overall, I like it. I don't mind the name. It's one syllable and easy to pronounce.

I don't like the detachable controllers for reasons already stated, but I don't have to use it that way so that's a wash. I'm mildly disappointed that Nintendo went full-on Xbox One with the standard controller because I really liked the Wii U Pro Controller set-up. I understand due to the set-up, but it looks like it could get messy. I like the Xbox One controller so I'll live.

It still kind of bugs me that the touchscreen gets docked. I wonder if the Chromecast-esque streaming rumor is true.

Yep, this is day one for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: lolmonade on October 20, 2016, 10:42:15 AM
Whelp, I'm totally on the hype train and excited for March.


Seconded, except I'm not going to buy-in at year one unless I find a good deal/bundle and see if 3rd party support comes and is sustained.  They did a much better job with showing the value proposition than I expected to.  Not only that, but it gives me hope that they showed what looks like Skyrim running on it, which means 3rd party ports will at least be within grasp.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:42:25 AM
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 10:44:04 AM
Yeah, despite my past comments, I'm on board as well. It feels fresh and new and is so completely different from the competition that I think this "Switch" has a decent shot at being a success, and with success comes support.

A deciding and defining factor will be its ability to play current gen games, its battery-life, and price.

And just regarding Nintendo themselves, what a fucking cheeky way to reveal a console. They throw out a video with absolutely no commentary and it's exactly what we were craving.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:46:05 AM
FYI those are definitely new versions of Mario Kart and Splatoon. King Boo was not in MK8 and the Splatoon character models are very different.


I'm mildly disappointed that Nintendo went full-on Xbox One with the standard controller because I really liked the Wii U Pro Controller set-up. I understand due to the set-up, but it looks like it could get messy. I like the Xbox One controller so I'll live.


At least the A button is in the correct position.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 20, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
Footage of the new Mario in motion.

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Well looks like the fans of Mario 64/Sunshine might be happy.  Even though it's only a few seconds we clearly see some kind of town Mario is running in and the part with the platforming section with the bullet bills looks bigger then your standard levels in 3D World.  Of course that wouldn't surprise me since they've been making the 3D Mario's more and more linear so it was a matter of time before they eventually went back to a more exploration based title again.

And like I said in the other thread, the system itself looks nice.  It should be a lot easier to market this time and as long as they don't price it too high it should do pretty well.  Not Wii levels but certainly better then the Wii U and should easily pass the Gamecube as well.  So far they got the look, appeal and games going for it so as long as they don't blow the price N64 level sales should be the minimum.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 20, 2016, 10:56:37 AM
I think it will easily do closer to SNES levels in terms of sales. After all this effectively combines the handheld userbase and the console userbase which is easily sitting at 55 million give or take total.

Also that Mario game is what I was dreaming for, they can release nothing else along side it and I will be happy. Of course more the merrier. I am glad they are revealing what looks like a good list of games it indicates that the rumors of faster output might be true which means a larger library in a shorter amount of time. That also means MORE franchises can get represented total which translates into even more happy gamers.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 10:59:53 AM
Switch is so thin. I'm thoroughly impressed by the design and engineering. It's very clean and simple, similar to the DSi. Nintendo really stepped up its game here.
I think it will easily do closer to SNES levels in terms of sales. After all this effectively combines the handheld userbase and the console userbase which is easily sitting at 55 million give or take total.
I can see Switch doing 3DS numbers if Nintendo doesn't price it out of acceptability. I'd like to see it no more than $300 with the dock.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 11:22:05 AM
Image & Form will make stuff for the Switch.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/10/exclusive_image_and_form_confirms_that_its_developing_for_nintendo_switch
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2016, 11:22:10 AM
I'm willing to bet it will be a $350 price point like Wii U was.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Oedo on October 20, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
This reveal was darn near perfect for me (the only thing missing was the next Xenoblade Chronicles game from Monolith Soft). March can't get here soon enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Discord.RSS on October 20, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
FYI those are definitely new versions of Mario Kart and Splatoon. King Boo was not in MK8 and the Splatoon character models are very different.

And looks like the new Mario Kart has double items again? *Double Dash hype intensifies*
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 20, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Switch is so thin. I'm thoroughly impressed by the design and engineering. It's very clean and simple, similar to the DSi. Nintendo really stepped up its game here.
I think it will easily do closer to SNES levels in terms of sales. After all this effectively combines the handheld userbase and the console userbase which is easily sitting at 55 million give or take total.
I can see Switch doing 3DS numbers if Nintendo doesn't price it out of acceptability. I'd like to see it no more than $300 with the dock.

That is what I just said. The SNES sold about 55 million, isn't the 3DS sitting around there too or has it climbed higher than that? I was saying that is the minimum, the bar has been set. It will easily do higher I think, maybe as high as 90 million if they keep the games coming quick enough.

Keep in mind this is a BIG WIN not just because of games but look at it this way. Normally a Nintendo gamer has to choose which system to get when. If they are planning on buying both, which many do, that means putting that $150-$300 into the system they feel they need the most and then putting the other into the one they held off.

Think of it this way. If you bought a Game Cube and a GBA and all the hook ups you spent what $200 for the Game Cube, $100 for the GBA and then the hook ups cost you let's say another $50? That is $350 right there to get everything. Most people won't spend that kind of cash. But those that do, they get the machine and 2-3 games. This way you buy ONE machine and more games. So it's basically going to mean gamers will have more money to spend on games which means more software sales and more hardware sales because there isn't any on the fence do I get the console or the handheld it is one purchase. I could probably explain better but I think you get the point, it's going to make money for everyone and for the first time in two decades 3rd parties will have a chance to be noticed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
A lot of people are salty on the idea of taking their console outside. And yes, a lot of what was shown on the trailer will not happen. You're not going to take your Switch to the pickup courts. But thinking rationally Nintendo just made it super easy to play your console games in any room of your house while eliminating the technological tether that was holding the Wii U GamePad back. Want to take the console to your room? balcony? backyard? office? bathroom? bathtub? Go right ahead, Nintendo just made it possible.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 20, 2016, 11:38:35 AM
Ahhhh, it's everything and more. They nailed the reveal perfectly!

I noticed it's got asymmetric sticks and a little tiny d pad.

I'm pretty sure that's Mario Kart 8 but with some enhancements, the UI and the track we see is the same but King Boo is new and you can also hold two items.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 11:44:26 AM
I am a bit bummed with the split D-pad on the Joy-Con but I can understand why they did it. I can still see myself using the Pro Controller more often.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: The Lucky Moose on October 20, 2016, 11:47:32 AM
It looks amazing. The idea of a hybrid was always great and looks like a brilliant execution. I'm so pumped.


Also, my professional opinion as a marketeer (*cringe*) is that the name is good, but the clicking sound is brilliant.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 20, 2016, 11:47:43 AM
Looks like the 3D Mario footage also shows Mario doing the triple jump again, which was removed in 3D World.  There's  also a heart icon on the right side of the screen in that Bullet Bill platforming section, which probably means a health system closer to the the previous 3D Mario's before 3D Land/World as well.  So yeah I think it's safe to say, even with a few second of footage, the next 3D Mario is going to be closer to the either 64/Sunshine or Galaxy, then it is to 3D Land/World in terms of design.

And for Mario Kart, with King Boo playable as well as the ability to hold what looks like 2 items at once this is going to be a brand new title, probably even called Mario Kart 9.  I imagine though they're just blatantly reusing the exact same engine and will probably still include a shitload of stages from MK8, but don't be surprised if we still get at least 16 new stages, because this is going to be considered a new installment.  By the time the Switch comes out, it'll have been 3 years since the base game of Mario Kart 8 was released and 2 years since the last DLC was release.  That's plenty of time for the Mario Kart team to make a new installment during that time and for marketing reasons alone is something Nintendo would want since new games make bigger impacts on sales then ports.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 20, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
Well, I was planning on figuring out how many gameplay hours I still have left on the 3DS to see if I really needed this. But that's because I wasn't expecting support from Bethesda and figured the software library would be similar enough to what's already being offered by Nintendo. I could probably spend the entirety of 2018 on Skyrim and Breath of the Wild alone. I'm almost certain to buy it in 2017 now. I'm super hyped. It's almost like they had me in mind when developing this.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 11:49:35 AM
DeNA will be involved with Nintendo's account system, not necessarily making games for Switch.


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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 20, 2016, 11:49:52 AM
I just thought of something else. With MS and Sony both releasing half-step upgrades but still requiring the base units to be sold, this being slightly less than Xbox One but still close enough is a good thing for Nintendo to get 3rd party parity. If MS and Sony are expecting this generation to last a little longer Nintendo effectively comes in at the right starting point where there are plenty of good games to port over and developers are comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 20, 2016, 11:51:44 AM
A lot of people are salty on the idea of taking their console outside. And yes, a lot of what was shown on the trailer will not happen. You're not going to take your Switch to the pickup courts. But thinking rationally Nintendo just made it super easy to play your console games in any room of your house while eliminating the technological tether that was holding the Wii U GamePad back. Want to take the console to your room? balcony? backyard? office? bathroom? bathtub? Go right ahead, Nintendo just made it possible.

I'm already working on my friend whose only gaming interests are FIFA and Madden. I'm hoping to convert him with the NBA game. The portability will let me demo it for him in his house, lol. At worst, I'll be able to easily take it over there even if I don't sell him on his own system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 12:00:53 PM
I can see Switch doing 3DS numbers if Nintendo doesn't price it out of acceptability. I'd like to see it no more than $300 with the dock.
That is what I just said. The SNES sold about 55 million, isn't the 3DS sitting around there too or has it climbed higher than that? I was saying that is the minimum, the bar has been set. It will easily do higher I think, maybe as high as 90 million if they keep the games coming quick enough.
Yeah, I was totally just agreeing with you, dude. Nice post though.
DeNA will be involved with Nintendo's account system, not necessarily making games for Switch.
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I'm impressed that EA and Bethesda are on there. If Nintendo and Bethesda really want to make a splash, Skyrim (and I presume this is the Special Edition) should be no more than $30.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: nickmitch on October 20, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
DeNA will be involved with Nintendo's account system, not necessarily making games for Switch.


(http://i.imgur.com/P3zgiCJ.png)

Still, pretty good news.  Mobile account should be syncing up with the console pretty smoothly out the gate, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
The dock is far too thick to only be a connection to the tv. The side view is almost 3x as thick as the switch itself. It has to be doing some processing.


When the video first started I thought I heard a ringtone and was like...oh **** its a phone!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 12:20:02 PM
Close-up of the Joy-Con.


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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Oedo on October 20, 2016, 12:21:06 PM
Seeing Square Enix and Silicon Studio on that list of developers reminds me that Square Enix teased some news for the Bravely Series about a week and a half ago, and haven't said anything about it since. If they were teasing Bravely Third and it was a 3DS game, I would think they would have wanted to get out in front of this news with an announcement, so maybe Bravely Third for Nintendo Switch? It would certainly be nice to have some new JRPGs on the system early.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Agent-X- on October 20, 2016, 12:26:19 PM
I agree regarding the dock, but assuming every last detail that Emily Rogers reported is true, then this whole package tops out at just below Xbox One power. I'm not incredibly enthused. Still missing from any rumor or teaser is glasses-free 3D. Not a must-have but considering Nintendo pioneered and perfected it, it would be oddly missing from a portable experience.


I would still like for them to consider a bit of future proofing in this concept. I just hate to think that the competition is already 1.5x ahead of their original PS4 and Xbox One offerings. To think that this package might not even keep pace with the Xbox One is worrying when it comes to 3rd Party support.


Still, I expect 3rd Party support to be light years ahead of Wii U.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Opinion time!

I really think Nintendo nailed the messaging for the Switch. With Sony and Microsoft focusing their efforts on competing with the PC space, Nintendo's best option was to appeal to the middle ground of gamers not interested in a technological arms-race and those in the casual sphere. In addition, it may have gained some respect from hardcore gamers.

"Can you play beautiful console-designed versions of Skyrim, Zelda and NBA 2k on your phone? You can't, but with Switch you can and you will."

Of course that's only part of the equation. Now they need to nail the pricing, the online details and the games. You need to win over those developers who aren't on the official list yet.

Also, Splatoon is trending worldwide on Twitter even though it was practically an afterthought in the trailer. Switch already has a killer-app in Japan.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 12:40:27 PM
I agree regarding the dock, but assuming every last detail that Emily Rogers reported is true, then this whole package tops out at just below Xbox One power. I'm not incredibly enthused. Still missing from any rumor or teaser is glasses-free 3D. Not a must-have but considering Nintendo pioneered and perfected it, it would be oddly missing from a portable experience.


I would still like for them to consider a bit of future proofing in this concept. I just hate to think that the competition is already 1.5x ahead of their original PS4 and Xbox One offerings. To think that this package might not even keep pace with the Xbox One is worrying when it comes to 3rd Party support.


Still, I expect 3rd Party support to be light years ahead of Wii U.
 




Graphically I was worried too that this would be left out in a few years but this think will consume Japan. So if we can get a portable Monster hunter game that has quality even close to the XboxOne (which ain't chopped liver at all) then I think this can survive the market.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 12:44:22 PM
My roomate got a Tablet around the same time as I got a Wii U. This does all the things his tablet can do, it pretty much is like a powershell for a smart phone. So, its offerings in function are really not that different then things already on the market.

I want to see more info on games, and maybe some info on specs. Also, a demonstration by meda sites

Also, When can I go to Joy Con?:P

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 20, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
No time to really chat about this now, sadly but just wanted to chime in and say, if it needs to be said:
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Looks tits. Can't wait for more.

Things I wonder about;
- how do you jump/drift in Mario Kart with that little sideways controller? Does it have a hidden trigger on the back like th Wiimote does? The shoulder buttons seem to be in thew wrong place when you hold the controller-half in a sideways position.

- return (continuation) of cartridges is great but I have also become a big fan of buying digitally. I wonder how that will be supported, especially "on the go"? The games look a little "bigger" in scope that most 3DS games. What's the storage solution? Can't carry my 2TB Wii U hard drive around with me, though I do still have a lot of room on my 64GB micro SD card in my 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Digital Foundry/Eurogamer takes a victory lap.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 01:15:00 PM
Full List of Support Thus Far:

505 Games
Activision Publishing, Inc.
ARC SYSTEM WORKS Co., Ltd.
ATLUS CO., LTD.
Audiokinetic Inc.
Autodesk, Inc.
BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc.
Bethesda
CAPCOM CO., LTD.
Codemasters®
CRI Middleware Co., Ltd.
DeNA Co., Ltd.
Electronic Arts
Epic Games Inc.
Firelight Technologies
FromSoftware, Inc.
Frozenbyte
GameTrust
GRASSHOPPER MANUFACTURE INC.
Gungho Online Entertainment, Inc.
HAMSTER Corporation
Havok
INTI CREATES CO., LTD.
KOEI TECMO GAMES CO., LTD.
Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.
LEVEL-5 Inc.
Marvelous Inc.
Maximum Games, LLC
Nippon Ichi Software, Inc.
Parity Bit Inc.
PlatinumGames Inc.
RAD Game Tools, Inc.
RecoChoku Co., Ltd.
SEGA Games Co., Ltd.
Silicon Studio Corporation
Spike Chunsoft Co., Ltd.
SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
Starbreeze Studios
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
Telltale Games
THQ Nordic
Tokyo RPG Factory Co., Ltd.
TT Games
UBISOFT
Ubitus Inc.
Unity Technologies, Inc.
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
Web Technology Corp

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-switch-official-pr-announcement-and-photo/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-switch-official-pr-announcement-and-photo/)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 01:28:53 PM
Its a safe bet to cross reference everything the Nvidia Shield can do and fit it into the Switch. Being that this is a newer chip and guaranteed to have more and faster RAM.


https://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv (https://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv)




Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 01:31:16 PM
Chcking out Media outlets. Reddit is positive about Switch. Youtube is Negative(general youtube trolling crow i'd say). I haven't checked Facebook yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 01:33:41 PM
What about memory? There are some usb ports (I think at least) on the right side of the dock, so expanding your capacity maybe possible, but I'm most concerned, or at least simply wondering, how much memory the tablet will have. Maybe they'll allow you to use your own flash card to store your games.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 01:35:10 PM
To me, the games looked more like tech demo / proof of concept stuff, and some reused some assets from Wii U games to make them easier to produce. Though, the Mario platformer looked closer to an actual game than Mario Kart and Splatoon did. I'm still going to need to know a lot more about the games before I can get excited and have much to say.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 20, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
The dock is far too thick to only be a connection to the tv. The side view is almost 3x as thick as the switch itself. It has to be doing some processing.


When the video first started I thought I heard a ringtone and was like...oh **** its a phone!!

It's a good size for a hard drive.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
What about memory? There are some usb ports (I think at least) on the right side of the dock, so expanding your capacity maybe possible, but I'm most concerned, or at least simply wondering, how much memory the tablet will have. Maybe they'll allow you to use your own flash card to store your games.

What do you guys think?


Its a safe bet that digital games will be able to save to a SD card. Now if you're asking if that SD card will play in another Switch, nope. There are 2 visible USB ports on the S.Dock (Gotta support GameCube Controllers for Smash) I would think there is at least 1 more usb port on the back along with HDMI  2.0 (4K) Gigabit Ethernet, SD Slot and one more unknown port.




8 GB of RAM MIN.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
I'll just buy a new HDD when Switch comes out. By then a decent sized HDD will be pretty cheap. The average 1TB HDD will be the cost of a game by March.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on October 20, 2016, 01:47:13 PM
I'd hit that Switch! It is truly an AND console and three pillars all in one. Every time it comes out of the dock it will remind you of Iwata pulling the Revolution from his jacket. *tchk!*


My only concerns are that the tiny NES style controls look even more cramped, and that trying to explain how to get controllers configured, unhooked, and synced up for multiplayer could be frustrating to nongamers.

Footage of the new Mario in motion.

(http://i.imgur.com/XVKEMAS.gif)


I see Sonic rings. Wouldn't mind a Mario v. Sonic platformer or they could make him Amiibo unlockable in Super Mario 3D World 2. There's also a red heart (which has a glowy border like the one in SMB2) and a trio of purple hearts and springy wires like in Sunshine.

What's the storage solution? Can't carry my 2TB Wii U hard drive around with me, though I do still have a lot of room on my 64GB micro SD card in my 3DS.

No more constant patching, DLC, and system updates. Finish developing your effing games before release :reggie:


To me, the games looked more like tech demo / proof of concept stuff, and some reused some assets from Wii U games to make them easier to produce. Though, the Mario platformer looked closer to an actual game than Mario Kart and Splatoon did. I'm still going to need to know a lot more about the games before I can get excited and have much to say.


Agreed. The graphics looked no better than before.

If they combine this thing with something like Pokemon Go and Metroid it will truly be something unique and memorable, despite the weaker hardware. Switch-on the next Revolution :mario:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 20, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
There was actually a rumor a bit back that they were prepping a Mario Kart 8.5 for release early in the console's lifecycle, that would have all the MK8 tracks, DLC, and another 4 cups (the equivalent of the first DLC for a game twice as big as the original retail release).

Mario looks pretty ace, should be awesome. Don't give a **** about Skyrim and Basketball, but good on them.

Price is going to be really interesting on this one. I'll probably trade in my New 3DS toward a pre-order if I can get the launch price to ~$200.

I'll probably never use the portable multiplayer stuff (or use it as a portable much at all). That JoyCon Megazord controller looks pretty goony, though. I'm assuming it'll feel fine in the hand, but she is an eyesore.

Also, looks like nothing about how the charging works. Is it done wirelessly in the cradle, like an electric toothbrush? Can you plug in the tablet?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 02:11:38 PM
If they combine this thing with something like Pokemon Go and Metroid it will truly be something unique and memorable, despite the weaker hardware. Switch-on the next Revolution :mario:

That reminds me. What the hell is RETRO making?

Also, let me give props to the logo and the "snapping" sound. Both are instantly recognizable after one trailer. The logo is a play on yin and yang, which in the gaming market could represent both handheld and console; it's a nice touch. The name is probably the worst part, but at least it's clear; and a clear break from Nintendo's predecessors.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
That reminds me. What the hell is RETRO making?
Metroid: Federation Force HD.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 02:16:09 PM
Close looks at Switch's closest relatives.


Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Looks like a decent concept that blends home and portable gaming pretty well. I like the two-Switches-syncing up concept. I like the JoyCon idea, even if that stick placement is questionable. Now for this important part:

How the **** do you market this thing to kids?

Sure, it looks sleeker, but that probably means its more delicate, too. That clipping system doesn't look kid-friendly in any way. And of course, if you expect to entice the handheld market with the Switch, how are you going to price the games? I see lots of developers there that excel at the 35-40 dollar price range, but if you're merging your portable and home development studios, you need to know that pricing a game for a home console is going to get risky. If they were to lower their game pricing to 50 bucks, it would make the Switch seem infinitely more competitive in the market space than Sony and Microsoft's offerings, and create some goodwill for portable players.

I think that the Switch as a social and portable gaming device sounds fascinating, but it's going to need a lot to work in execution. Those controls and their power source, as well as the screen, for example, and the business of actually getting people to buy into this thing again. It's just too risky, and we've seen a big list of developers be on-board for Nintendo products in the past only to abandon ship when units don't move. Right now, I don't see any reason to think this thing will be a success.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
That reminds me. What the hell is RETRO making?
Metroid: Federation Force HD.
I kind of want this to happen just to watch the Internet explode.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
Also, isn't the name Switch a big middle finger from Nintendo to AMD?

I always felt like Wii U was mostly marred by the fact that AMD gave them a mediocre graphics chip and gave Microsoft and Sony really good ones. The Wii U had a slow CPU too, but that could have been made up for if it had a graphics chip on the same level as the XboxOne. Now switching to nvidia might give Nintendo some advantages/priveleges. The N in Nvidia now stands for Nintendo. Hopefully, this will be a console of envy by the other console makers.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 20, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
I see Sonic rings. Wouldn't mind a Mario v. Sonic platformer or they could make him Amiibo unlockable in Super Mario 3D World 2.

If you are talking about the gold rings between the chasm behind where the bullet bill is shooting then those are not Sonic Rings. I think they may have been in NSMB2 but I know for sure they are in 3D World. They just count towards giving you some coins.

Quote
What's the storage solution? Can't carry my 2TB Wii U hard drive around with me, though I do still have a lot of room on my 64GB micro SD card in my 3DS.

No more constant patching, DLC, and system updates. Finish developing your effing games before release :reggie:


I was thinking about that before and wish it was the case but Nintendo's been able to do patches and DLC with the 3DS and that uses cartridges so it's probably not going to change things development wise for some publishers.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
On Mario 3dworld when your riding the big dinosaur going through the rings gives you a bunch of coins.

I wounder if Switch will be compatible with nvidia Gear store?

Also another video of the Switch's closest cousin

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
How the **** do you market this thing to kids?
I think marketing to kids will happen organically. In the near future, Switch and smartphones will be the only things kids can get Mario on. Super Mario Run is marketing for Super Mario Switch. Every time a parent can't deal with her annoying kid and hands him/her their phone to play Nintendo's mobile games, Nintendo is marketing to kids. Additionally, it will market through Facebook, Twitter, Universal Studios and whatnot, and it'll naturally reach a younger audience easier. Soon, there will only be one place to get 95% of Nintendo's first party titles. The people Nintendo should be targeting are those who aren't already invested in Nintendo's ecosystem or no (longer) have an attachment to its IPs.
Also, isn't the name Switch a big middle finger from Nintendo to AMD?

I always felt like Wii U was mostly marred by the fact that AMD gave them a mediocre graphics chip and gave Microsoft and Sony really good ones. The Wii U had a slow CPU too, but that could have been made up for if it had a graphics chip on the same level as the XboxOne. Now switching to nvidia might give Nintendo some advantages/priveleges. The N in Nvidia now stands for Nintendo. Hopefully, this will be a console of envy by the other console makers.
AMD didn't give Nintendo a mediocre graphics chip so much as Nintendo asked for one. I don't believe Switch is a slight against AMD at all. This is nothing more than AMD not having a mobile SOC let alone one as advanced as Nvidia's.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 02:50:53 PM
Hmm. I don't agree, but whatever. Can't derail the current high that's pervading the air.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 02:55:45 PM
"Kids, bring me the switch!"
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
How the **** do you market this thing to kids?
I think marketing to kids will happen organically. In the near future, Switch and smartphones will be the only things kids can get Mario on. Super Mario Run is marketing for Super Mario Switch. Every time a parent can't deal with her annoying kid and hands him/her their phone to play Nintendo's mobile games, Nintendo is marketing to kids. Additionally, it will market through Facebook, Twitter, Universal Studios and whatnot, and it'll naturally reach a younger audience easier. Soon, there will only be one place to get 95% of Nintendo's first party titles. The people Nintendo should be targeting are those who aren't already invested in Nintendo's ecosystem or no (longer) have an attachment to its IPs.
Also, isn't the name Switch a big middle finger from Nintendo to AMD?

I always felt like Wii U was mostly marred by the fact that AMD gave them a mediocre graphics chip and gave Microsoft and Sony really good ones. The Wii U had a slow CPU too, but that could have been made up for if it had a graphics chip on the same level as the XboxOne. Now switching to nvidia might give Nintendo some advantages/priveleges. The N in Nvidia now stands for Nintendo. Hopefully, this will be a console of envy by the other console makers.
AMD didn't give Nintendo a mediocre graphics chip so much as Nintendo asked for one. I don't believe Switch is a slight against AMD at all. This is nothing more than AMD not having a mobile SOC let alone one as advanced as Nvidia's.

You're mostly likely right, but that doesn't mean Nintendo perceived it that way. Also, it is possible nVidia suggested the name, which would be a big middle findger to AMD. Nintendo could be oblivious to the implications.

Also, doesn't Switch imply to everyone that they should finally switch to Nintendo.

before I saw the video I saw the name. And I thought about Apples Switch campaign
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
I think one factor in selling to children / parents will be price. I imagine there must be some sort of handheld-only version they're going to sell, so that they can have a lower-price option for the parents who want one. The downside though is that it also means they need to sell the dock separately, so that means three different pieces of hardware on store shelves.

I guess at launch they could stick with just the combo, especially if the price is low enough, but there will probably be a handheld-only one eventually.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 03:00:17 PM
"Kids, bring me the switch!"

LOLZ

"Dad Im playing with my Wii!""then you better definitely get me that switch!"
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 03:07:59 PM
I think one factor in selling to children / parents will be price. I imagine there must be some sort of handheld-only version they're going to sell, so that they can have a lower-price option for the parents who want one. The downside though is that it also means they need to sell the dock separately, so that means three different pieces of hardware on store shelves.

I guess at launch they could stick with just the combo, especially if the price is low enough, but there will probably be a handheld-only one eventually.
Yeah, I can see a 2DS-like, stripped down Mini Switch down the line. That still doesn't address the higher cost of games though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 03:11:26 PM
Oh yeah, game cost is a good question too. I'm hoping that we see a more variable pricing structure, with more games in the range of $30 or $40 like 3DS titles, and not just a flat $60 (or more...?) across the board for everything.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
I said this like, four posts ago!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
But Nintendo was very good during the Wii U to establish variable pricing on their games with a wide variety of 40-50-60 dollar games.


That said, if Game Freak releases a new Pokemon RPG with a big tech/graphics bump, expect it to cost $60. Franchises will be placed in tiers and certain games will either get low-end/upscaling treatment while other will get the high-end/downscale treatment.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:29:19 PM
But Nintendo was very good during the Wii U to establish variable pricing on their games with a wide variety of 40-50-60 dollar games.
They established variable pricing, but how many games actually utilized it? There were like, two lighter-content titles like Rainbow Curse and Captain Toad, the HD remakes and Fatal Frame were 50...

...Huh. That is about a quarter of the Wii U library, right there. Maybe you have a point.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 20, 2016, 03:32:41 PM
It occurs to me that the heavy emphasis on the "Switch" branding makes it unlikely that they'll make a TV-only unit. I was theoretically considering waiting for a hopefully cheaper box SKU, but if that ever happens I imagine it would be years down the line. I also don't know how they could do a smaller one, exactly. Would it come with a smaller dock as well? Seems iffy, especially if there's any additional computer brain in the dock.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 03:33:14 PM
The majority of Wii U games were still $60 though, so I'd still call it the standard. Besides, there were a lot more 3DS games, so really, the standard pricing for games on Nintendo systems was $40.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
But Nintendo was very good during the Wii U to establish variable pricing on their games with a wide variety of 40-50-60 dollar games.
They established variable pricing, but how many games actually utilized it? There were like, two lighter-content titles like Rainbow Curse and Captain Toad, the HD remakes and Fatal Frame were 50...

...Huh. That is about a quarter of the Wii U library, right there. Maybe you have a point.


Yoshi's Woolly World, DKC Tropical Freeze, Lego City Undercover, Wind Waker HD and the digital versions of Star Fox Zero and Twilight Princess HD were all $50 at release.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:42:05 PM
I keep forgetting about the Amiibo bundles. But I was not aware that Tropical Freeze and Lego City were 50. You have outplayed me- well done, sir.

So half the Wii U library was variable-priced...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
I think the only two pure examples are DKC Tropical Freeze and Lego City Undercover. Wind Waker HD was an enhanced port so of course those cost less than $60. The rest are bundles that they did not want to exceed $60 for the game, but they would have been $60 for just the game had they not been bundles.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 20, 2016, 04:12:48 PM
Is there no hope of wireless video streaming for games like Mario Maker now?  The chubby dock could potentially handle that as well as extra storage and background downloads when you have the console at school/work.  I can see it automatically shuffling the most used software onto the tablet overnight to avoid space issues.  There is no sign of a button to switch display modes, but it could theoretically be automatic when the dock detects that the TV is on, or manual through a menu.

It is a stretch, but I will miss the asymmetric functionality if it is cut.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 04:25:34 PM
Also, when you look at the Shield and see that is $199. For $299 you can have all the power of ps4 or xbox One.
Nintendo might also be able to keep the cost down in other ways because they're Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 05:28:45 PM
(http://www.vizonmobile.com/images/MorphusControllers.png)


This is the Morpheus x300. It is the exact same concept as the Switch. Its's also older and already released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmBysrZ2v8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmBysrZ2v8)


Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y845oUAxrPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y845oUAxrPY)

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
(https://d17omnzavs9b58.cloudfront.net/assets/article/2016/10/20/switch_stand3_feature.jpg)

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/5/9/1368096404470/ouya.jpg?w=470&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=3c5056b3384b6d6d02baece8341afdb6)

So its a morphus x300 with OUYA color scheme?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
Also, lets speculate. I imagine the tablet will incrementally upgrade. 2 years from release we might switch to a beefier tablet in the dock and then use the old controller like a wii u controller.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/20/nintendo-confirms-amiibo-support-for-nintendo-switch-clarifies-additional-features

- amiibo support (no duh)
- No comment on touchscreen support.
- The guts of the system are inside the tablet screen

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"The dock is not the main console unit of Nintendo Switch. The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The main function of the Nintendo Switch Dock is to provide an output to the TV, as well as charging and providing power to the system."
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 07:41:24 PM
I don't think that's so much speculation as it is an inevitability. I believe Iwata even hinted at that over the years. Our concept of hardware generations is likely over. Upgrading hardware won't be so rigid. Every couple years we'll get a spec bump. Sure, games will be compatible, but at some point, they'll stop playing as well on older iterations like 3DS. Games like Hyrule Warriors Legend and Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate just run smoother on New 3DS. We'll see the same on Switch which we're already seeing on PlayStation and Xbox.

Is that better? I don't know. I liked how I didn't have to worry about upgrading for like five years. However, the writing was on the wall. Dedicated gaming hardware can't keep up with PC, particularly handhelds like 3DS which was running 2000 level hardware on 240p resolution. That worked for Nintendo which, before 2016, only made games on its own hardware. For the rest of the game development community, developing on consoles was incredibly restrictive. And that includes Sony and Microsoft.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 07:42:52 PM
Also, lets speculate. I imagine the tablet will incrementally upgrade. 2 years from release we might switch to a beefier tablet in the dock and then use the old controller like a wii u controller.


We still have to wait on the SCD. If that's not the dock(it ain't), they can introduce that during the Spring 2018. If the specs are close enough to an Xbox One, which it the LCD that can run this generations Multi-Platforms then it wont get left out of the port market being that there should be about 10 million NX's in the wild within the next 18 months. The tablet should suffice with until early next decade.




Of course its a touch screen. Can't play Super Mario Maker with out it. (USB Mouse is really an option but no)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: stevey on October 20, 2016, 07:50:36 PM
- NVIDIA Tegra confirmed (https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/ (https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/))
- NVIDIA is creating the graphics API themselves.

Welp, I'm skipping a generation.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 07:52:08 PM
https://twitter.com/devolverdigital/status/789221519243157504


Digital Devolver says they'll release stuff for Switch in 2017.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2016, 07:58:45 PM
My initial thoughts.  This is a big change and gamble for Nintendo.  Taking all the lessons they have learned in both the console and handheld market and putting them into one system is a pretty big and bold direction for Nintendo.

It allows Nintendo to focus on a single system for games and really emphasis what makes Nintendo different, there games and unique ways of playing.  It also seems future proof in that the tablet part could be upgraded every 3-4 years just like an Apple ipad.  We don't know if there is any hardware in the dock to help with upscaling and processing, but if there is, then the first upgrade for the system would probably just be to match what the dock does.  It also means gamers could more affordably upgrade their dock every once in awhile. 

If Nintendo has a winner with this system and it is popular then Nintendo could have created a sustainable infrastructure for upgradable hardware in both the portable and home market...and paying a slight premium for both experiences is still cheaper than buying two systems for both experiences.

Going with cards is interesting, because you wonder if Nintendo will continue to do downloaded games.  This could be where Nintendo once again cheaps out, with a smaller hard drive.  However, cards are durable easy to carry and retail and resale friendly so I am OK with that.  The Dock may also have some additional hard drive space and maybe you can store games on both.

The bad is simple, this system is easy to copy and as already mentioned something similar already exists.  This means Nintendo is going to need to push hard their new system with games, and boy did it appear that Nintendo was going to go big year one.  I think Nintendo realizes year one is a make it or break it year for this system.  And Year one looks to have Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Splatoon right out of the gate.  I don't mean all launch titles, but all available in December.

Next year could equally be big because we have no idea what Retro has been working on (unless it was Mario Kart.) And we could see even more games in 2018 because by then Nintendo will be in full support of only a single system.  If Nintendo got it's out put to be 1 new game every 4 months and perhaps VC and Downloadable smaller games in the gaps, then it can support this system by themselves. 

Finally question mark is the controller, I am not sure I like the button placements, and I am hoping they created a way to make the stick work well with classic games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Oedo on October 20, 2016, 09:59:20 PM
So far Nintendo is only committing to the Dock and Joy-Con L and R coming with the Switch; no clear answer (https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789272470716944385) on the Grip accessory being included. I'd be really surprised if it didn't come with every system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
I'm pretty sure the grip is mainly a battery.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Oedo on October 20, 2016, 10:25:21 PM
Oh boy, sounds like details may be scarce until the new year: (https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789289178684981248)

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Nintendo: no more official announcement would come this year on 1) game titles 2) spec details, including region-lock status.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 10:29:50 PM
Welp, I will see you guys next year then.


That is a terrible strategy and they risk burning all the goodwill they earned today.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Morons.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 20, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
Hmm, the Nvidia blog states:
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Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.

So if the processor is scalable, does that mean the CPU shifts into a higher clock speed when it is plugged into the dock? Laptops already do that to scale down for battery saving when not plugged in.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 11:07:07 PM
Oh boy, sounds like details may be scarce until the new year: (https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789289178684981248)

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Nintendo: no more official announcement would come this year on 1) game titles 2) spec details, including region-lock status.
Wait, there it is. There's Nintendo Nintendo-ing a great situation it Nintendo'd itself in. That was a close one. Nintendo almost did something completely right.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 20, 2016, 11:22:04 PM
Well hopefully we might still get some more Zelda footage and details since that game is still technically a Wii U game, which is why they got away with showing it at E3.  I'd imagine that game should at least get something at the videogame awards in December since they showed that early footage at the event in 2014, so it'd be fitting to show footage from the actual final version again this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Lemonade on October 21, 2016, 12:29:40 AM
Are we guessing release dates? I say the 31st of March, just like the original 3DS (in Australia) and Miitomo.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 21, 2016, 12:38:10 AM
Just because Nintendo tweeted today that there will not be anymore information until the end of the year, doesn't mean that decision will stick.  I expect Nintendo may actually give us more information, perhaps later in December.  But honestly, Nintendo needed to announce things, and they did. 

It is not Nintendo's style to reveal and talk about specs.  It is also not Nintendo's style to talk about games that won't be available to play until next year.  The cat is out of the bag, and we will definitely be getting more information.  I am sure Nintendo will be allowing media to play this thing...and talking about it.  Just wait and see. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 21, 2016, 12:44:16 AM
Hrm, that news about no more news sure doesn't sound great. You'd think retailers would want those coming soon game boxes out sooner rather than later.

But they've kept a tight lid on the pressure cooker for many months, I'm guessing there will be a steady drip of leaks from here on out if nothing else.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Adrock on October 21, 2016, 12:47:38 AM
Just because Nintendo tweeted today that there will not be anymore information until the end of the year, doesn't mean that decision will stick.
Nah, it's going to stick. Otherwise, why tweet it at all? 
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It is not Nintendo's style to reveal and talk about specs.
Maybe that's why it should this time.
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It is also not Nintendo's style to talk about games that won't be available to play until next year.
Ehh, Nintendo does this all the time. For example, it announced Xenoblade Chronicles X in January 2013, nearly three years before finally releasing the game. Same goes for Breath of the Wild.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 21, 2016, 01:23:57 AM
Hell, they just revealed a 3D Mario game that might be ready God knows when.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: TrueNerd on October 21, 2016, 02:22:56 AM
For my entire conscious life, I've been very interested in buying the next new machine that allows me to play the new games made by Nintendo. The Switch is the next new machine, and I will happily buy it. New Tokyo EAD (or whatever that team is called these days) Mario is coming for it. I am hype.

I will probably use the Switch as a traditional home console at least 95% of the time that I use it. Portable mode, detachable controllers, I won't use those features outside of trips. I do almost all of my 3DS playing at home on my couch. And that's fine. Nintendo's not forcing me to do any of that stuff and that Pro controller looks great.

Getting outside of my own POV, that trailer was a home run, even if most of the scenarios shown were laughable. The messaging of the system is clear, that Switch noise is genius and should become as iconic as the Mario coin noise if Nintendo does it right, the trick of switching from dock mode to portable mode is almost magic, and there appears (for now) to be third party support. I'm also shocked the Switch looks like it really pulled off being at least on par with the Wii U on a mobile processor.

Nintendo learned all the right lessons from the failure of the Wii U. This is what the Wii U should have been. I think it has a real good chance of being a mainstream success which means Nintendo might wait a little longer before switching entirely to mobile development. And that's all I want.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2016, 02:49:18 AM
Noticed a something watching the video again.


The guy playing Skyrim on the plane is playing with a different model NX than all the others. If you notice his Switch on the plane has actual FCC information on both the Joy-con and the Tablet itself. The woman playing  Super Mario has no documentation on the back of hers.


Also, looking at the guy on the plane, his NX has a off center double slot on the left bottom side of the system. Possibly the speaker placement but that would seem weird. Maybe cooling vents but if thats the case, whats on top next to the game card slot?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2016, 03:20:12 AM
pictures man!!! we need pictures!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Lemonade on October 21, 2016, 03:36:06 AM
whats on top next to the game card slot?

Looks like the fan vent to me
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 21, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
There's too many discussions going on at once so I will put this here.
I was watching the video NWR did last night, they made many good points but I am not convinced there has to be a successor to the 3DS, I am pretty sure this is it.

A couple of things I realized. If this is going to work it has to be ONE machine with a single library. If all it turns out to be is just Wii U 2.0 then it's already DOA, nobody wants another Wii U. If that is their plan then it means the only lesson they learned from Wii U was the bad name and lack of focus, that wasn't the only lesson they needed to learn.

They confirmed the guts are in the tablet, which means they can sell those separately for kids who want just the Switch. It does look slightly larger than a 3DS XL but it doesn't look any larger than a typical iPad mini which parents do buy for their kids as gaming machines. For that to work it needs at the very minimum the media Apps, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and maybe a couple music apps like Pandora and/or Spotify, or even Amazon Music, whatever. It needs a functional web browser that supports flash and that is about it for apps, the games sell themselves.

BUT if there is a separate machine, a 3DS Switch or something that has its own library or target price to kids, then this is worthless it defeats the whole purpose. Because in order to entice them to buy that machine over this they once again need to make exclusive games for that machine.

It needs to be ONE machine you buy. There should be a bundle that includes the dock for the console gamers and a separate bundle Tablet only for the portable market. It looks like that is technically doable since that is what they showed off. OR at the least they could release a Switch Mini ala 2DS for kids, it plays the exact same games, but is smaller form factor with the buttons built in for the kiddos. If its an entirely separate machine with its own library of games this thing is useless outside just another Nintendo console that will have a big splash at launch and fade into obscurity as time goes on.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 21, 2016, 11:47:24 AM
I completely agree with you.  This is the new 3DS and the new Wii U.  If we see a successor to either of those in another form, it will mean that the NS has failed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stratos on October 21, 2016, 12:05:46 PM
They can easily sell the same device as two skus. One marketed as a console/hybrid, and another marketed for the Angry Birds/Pokemon demographic. Both are the same hardware, but bundle different games and accessories with it. Console sku has the dock and pro controller. The 'handheld' sku is just the tablet and two 'joy sticks' (I see what they did there).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 21, 2016, 12:36:33 PM
Different SkUs make sense.  If the dock is truly just a charge stand with some ports, though, it shouldn't add much to the cost.  If it turns out to be more, then a bundle without it would be more useful.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 21, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
Anyone else really happy this looks like a modern electronics device an not something that might resemble something more along the lines of a toy? Even the really dark grey controller pieces give it a more sophisticated look than something that would be totally black. Of course I personally still want one thats Spice Orange or DK Brown.

As for gaming prices being discussed earlier I know for a fact Iwata touched on this before his death. Some games will sell for a premium and some will not. When something like Bust A Move or Meteos rolls around I expect $20 releases with 2D Yoshi's/Kirby's in the $30-$40 range and the biguns of course $50 and $60.

I'm cool with this. Especially since it means all of Nintendo's output on one device. If Skyrim actually does make it I'm going to get it as well and see what all the hubbub is about.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Oedo on October 21, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
Not a lot of new information from Nintendo today (they confirmed to Famtisu that Wii U discs and 3DS cartridges won't be backwards compatible), but there are some new rumours today. According to the same person who hit on the "split d-pad" rumour a while ago, one of her sources at Ubisoft is saying the portable component of the Nintendo Switch has a maximum battery life of three hours. I really hope that isn't the case. The fact that these rumours about middling battery life are floating around among insiders is probably what's leading them to speculate that the 3DS will have its own portable successor. It's basically a guarantee that Nintendo will put out an upgraded version of the main unit at some point though, so I don't see why they couldn't address the battery life issue there. I'm inclined to think that if the Nintendo Switch catches there will be no "separate" 3DS successor, but who really knows at this point.

Other information she's put out there today is that she's confident in a multi-touch screen (though touch controls will not be a focus of gameplay) and that she's heard the dock will provide additional processing (games run better when docked, but she's not sure about a jump in resolution).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 21, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
The 3DS has terrible battery life in practice, so I doubt they are very worried about it.  With that said, it seems unlikely that anyone leaking information has final hardware that would give a good battery life estimate.

I think the best we can hope for is good battery pack accessories.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
They'll probably just sell you a larger battery like they did with Wii U.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Lemonade on October 21, 2016, 07:42:05 PM
Anyone else really happy this looks like a modern electronics device an not something that might resemble something more along the lines of a toy?

Yes, it looks really nice and refined.
The Pro Controller looks like a prototype to me though. It doesnt look anywhere near as nice as the Joy Cons.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2016, 07:46:12 PM
looks like there is a 3rd shoulder button on the Joy cons, possibly to unlock it from the base.


(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7312897/Nintendo_Switch_3.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2016, 08:22:53 PM
Neo, Morpheus and now Switch?




(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ec4xmjIGGqc/TG0t4gzAduI/AAAAAAAAAmo/50L_baWhxCo/s1600/matrix460.jpg)
 


The Matrix is all around us.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 21, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
woah woah woah

I didn't realize it, but I made a pretty good mockup

(http://i.imgur.com/2XgErZ5.jpg)

I was looking for this picture

(http://i.imgur.com/93K594y.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2016, 03:06:08 AM
So as expected this all dropped while I was out of town.

I'm actually quite impressed!  The rumours all sounded terrible but this somehow brought together all the rumoured ideas and presented them in a product that looks really good.  I'm trying to think of how to do a hybrid and this just seems like the way you would do it.

I like how this isn't using the Wii name and frankly looks very hip and marketable.  The video they made does a great job of selling the concept and they use a similar approach for their marketing.  What I feel like is it doesn't come across like it's pushing some half-baked gimmick.  It's pushing functionality, not novelty.  The unique aspects of it are all for the practical purpose of offering both a console and portable in one product.  Nintendo will have no reason to push wacky controls to "prove the concept".  They can just concentrate on making great games.  The hook of the Switch is entirely in what it is.  The games can just be games without having to adhere to some specialized template.

Now I'm not going to act like I'm not concerned about the specs and if that will affect third party support.  At the very least we might see the Switch versions of games constantly be the worst ones, though the public might accept that as as tradeoff for the portability.  Still if third party games are what you're most interested in and you primarily play at home the other consoles will be your preference.  Though one thing that does give me hope is that the sort of games you would expect to show up on a 3DS successor will probably show up here.  That alone would vastly improve the situation.

And what's with this lack of further news until 2017?  Come on, Nintendo, isn't this supposed to come out in March?  You're going to give us solid info like price and the launch lineup a mere three months before release?  I can't help but fear a delay.  And, damn it, I want some info on this new Mario game that looks to be a return to the SM64 style!

The most positive thing from this is that it looks like a product that will sell.  The Wii U never looked like that.  It's different from the competition but in a way that seems worthwhile, instead of just arbitrarily.  I am just utterly shocked that Nintendo didn't completely screw the pooch and outright reveal the Wii 3 here.  Though I see one way they could totally **** this up - reveal a separate 3DS successor.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 22, 2016, 03:40:30 AM
There has been no specs released, just rumored specs. I think the specs are going to be based on whatever the price point is. If it's a $200 console expect it to be a little better than the nvidia shield which is a step between wii u and ps4. If it's a $300 console I expect it to be almost as good or equal to ps4 and xbox one. If it's $350 to $400(gah) I expect it to be more powerful than either.

It's hard to say. Price is a factor, but also nvidia as a partner is a factor. If I were betting I would imagine in terms of power it might be the equivelent of Gamecube vs Xbox but in current gen lenses. On the other hand nvidia might give Nintendo the deal of a lifetime to outcompete AMD. It seems over the years AMD is starting to eclipse nvidia and nvidia can't have that. I also imagine Sony dropping nvidia support hurt their bottom line big. One might think that part of the reason for creating Shield was to compete with ps4 in some way.

also lets note. Nintendo's Stocks went down on Friday, but nvidias went up

As far as news go if there is a Nintendo direct as late as early February, that'll be enough to keep the hype train going.

When has Nintendo historically had it's Nintendo directs?

edit: I looked it up.

Historically, they have had one in November, and then another one in early February, and early March.

I expect there to be one in November that is all 3ds and wii u stuff, and then one in February that is all Switch stuff. Then another in March that is Switch and 3ds stuff.

so I predict February 3rd 2017 will be a massive dropping of information.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 22, 2016, 09:58:34 AM
I expect there to be one in November that is all 3ds and wii u stuff...

I think they announced a mini-direct for November 2 based on the Animal Crossing New Leaf amiibo functionality and potentially Animal Crossing mobile.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 22, 2016, 10:12:20 AM
also lets note. Nintendo's Stocks went down on Friday, but nvidias went up

A combination of profit-taking after it went up on Thursday pre-video and the standard "buy on the rumor, sell on the news" rule.

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As far as news go if there is a Nintendo direct as late as early February, that'll be enough to keep the hype train going.

When has Nintendo historically had it's Nintendo directs?

edit: I looked it up.

Historically, they have had one in November, and then another one in early February, and early March.

I expect there to be one in November that is all 3ds and wii u stuff, and then one in February that is all Switch stuff. Then another in March that is Switch and 3ds stuff.

so I predict February 3rd 2017 will be a massive dropping of information.

The last few console launches (going back to at least the Wii) have had a blowout of information two months before that serves as a psuedo-Direct and also gives the press hands-on time. This is also where Nintendo reveals the price and pack-in software (where applicable), which lets preorders go up.

So I don't think we'll be that far into January before we get Switch info.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 22, 2016, 12:50:12 PM
I don't think folks should get their hopes up about the Switch being on the same level as PS4 or Xbone. Maybe if it was only on AC power, but the games have to run portable as well. Like, if it didn't have to run away from the dock, I'm thinking it might be like PS2-->Gamecube/Xbox, but with that requirement it's probably more like Dreamcast-->Gamecube/Xbox.

Probably we don't have an exact analogue for the power gap, though I think it's possible Switch could run "PC low-settings" versions of some multiplatform stuff, should the publishers feel inclined to make those ports.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stratos on October 22, 2016, 12:57:22 PM
I hope that the Wii U Pro Controllers are compatible. Those were expensive and I'd like to get a lot more use out of them.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 22, 2016, 03:29:27 PM
What if the curve ball the Switch throws at Sony and Microsoft is there isn't just one level of power?

What if there is several levels of power and depending on how much you want to pay, that's what you get?

What if Nintendo is aiming to go after EVERYONE? The switch might equally be going after the android market as well.

@Shaymin
Nintendo usually releases something around my birthday. March 27th. Traditionally Nintendo has released a console in the US on the third Sunday of November. I think Nintendo usually releases software on a Tuesday. So, likely They'll release the info on Feb 3rd, and release the system on  March 29th, which pretty much follows your two month rule. That's still 54 days for everyone to get hyped up.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 22, 2016, 03:40:53 PM
I don't think folks should get their hopes up about the Switch being on the same level as PS4 or Xbone. Maybe if it was only on AC power, but the games have to run portable as well. Like, if it didn't have to run away from the dock, I'm thinking it might be like PS2-->Gamecube/Xbox, but with that requirement it's probably more like Dreamcast-->Gamecube/Xbox.

Probably we don't have an exact analogue for the power gap, though I think it's possible Switch could run "PC low-settings" versions of some multiplatform stuff, should the publishers feel inclined to make those ports.


I'd bet this is running on Nvidia Pascal, because they(Nintendo) would have to actively fight for this to be a custom Tegra k1/X1 since that tech is fairly old and Nvidia needs this enough to take a a cut on the price. Especially when Nintendo expects to sell 10million of these in the first 18months.


For example here are the Nvidia Shield Specs at @ $199.99
PROCESSOR   NVIDIA® Tegra® K1 192 core Kepler GPU
2.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 CPU with 2 GB RAM
DISPLAY   8-inch 1920x1200 multi-touch Full-HD display
VIDEO FEATURES   4K Ultra-HD Ready
AUDIO   Front facing stereo speakers with built-in microphone
STORAGE*   16 GB
*Portion of storage occupied by system software.
WIRELESS   802.11n 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi,
Bluetooth 4.0 LE, GPS / GLONASS
INTERFACES   Mini-HDMI with HDCP 1.4 output, Micro-USB 2.0, MicroSD slot
3.5 mm stereo headphone jack with microphone support
MOTION SENSORS   3-axis gyro, 3-axis accelerometer, 3-axis compass

These stats are outdated and the NX will have better by a  quite a bit. Not Apples to Apples but  Pascal is a pretty solid chip in comparison to even whats in the XB1/PS4 . Say the NX is $299.99 in March, you should be able to come pretty close to an XboxOne.

My expectation is the NX will have Active and Passive RAM based on it being docked. To elaborate: even if the dock is only housing  for usb, hdmi, cooling fan power and Wifi, the fact that it will have AC power that will allow the system to run at full power thereby increases performance. This thing needs 6 maybe 8 GB of ram so lets say when its undocked it uses half so either 3 or 4GB of ram and running on a 720p screen. Docked you get 1080p 8GB ram. You create the game with Max Settings and let the situation (home or go) throttle it down.

The screen is probably 1080p but games run at 720p and Netflix and other things run at 1080p. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL NINTENDO IS GOING TO BLOW-UP A 720p SOURCE ONTO A MINIMUM 1080p (in some cases 4K) in 2017. They can't be that daft.  Plus this is a modular system and we don't even know about the so called SCD.





Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 22, 2016, 04:12:28 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with 720p.The Wii U's screen resolution is an unusual 854x480. I don't have any problem with it. I think it looks fine. The only thing I want is 16:9 and everything is clear and readable. 720p(1280×720) would be more than acceptable to me as well.  I heard rumors of 900p(1600x900). Which might be the cost to resolution ratio they went for. If 720p good, if 900p better. Either one works for me.

I imagine if Nintendo lowers the screen resolution, and takes advantage of it manufacturing contacts it could probably reduce costs by a whole lot. Add $100 shield,and they could probably do Pascal/parker.

there is probably 2gb on the doc, and its 8gb and 720/900pabroadand 1080p with 4k video at home.

If Nintendo and nVidia do it right, it might not just be a disruptive technology for the consoles, it might be a disruptive technology for PCs and Tablets too.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
It probably has Pascal or Pascal like tech in it. The entire point of the 10xx series was to expand the space in where Nvidia competes in by bringing in tech that is very scalable. The proof in this is that there is no "Laptop/M" version of the chip, the chip in a laptop is full fat, no cut cores, no downclock, the chip has very high bang per watt.

The reason MS and Sony's SoC is AMD isn't because AMD was super great, it's because Nvidia didn't have a presence there at all until recently. Nvidia has been for quite a while a discrete solution provider and this has worked quite well as it dominates in card sales across the board. But as they say diversity or die, so Nvidia has spent years getting tech to do that collimating in Pascal.

Where Nintendo uses Pascal is unknown as the timing is a little tight and consoles have about a year's lead time to market and you can't just swap out chips, the PCB is for that chip and that chip only, nothing like the PS4 RAM upgrade.

I don't think it will quite against the current consoles as it still is a mobile device with all the draw backs that entails. It might have a hybrid passive/active cooling which would be pretty interesting.

I hopes it comes with eye tracking 3D tech, I rather enjoyed the 3D display on the 3DS as limited as it were.

I personally wouldn't buy it as it doesn't have what I want, but if an Advanced Wars came out, I would be awfully tempted.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 23, 2016, 01:37:33 AM
Nintendo might not even do pascal and might do a "might as well be pascal", Nintendo chips are usually custom. Ican imagine Nintendo throwing along some ideas that end up in future nvidia chips.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2016, 01:51:03 AM
Nintendo will pick a couple of features they will like, but these days getting a full/half custom chip done is not worth the trouble, ie WiiU.

It hasn't been said, but this will break backwards compatibility. Bloody good thing too as the tech is 15 years old, expired with the Wii and the technical debt bit in hard with the WiiU.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 23, 2016, 02:15:04 AM
My new question. Since this is cartridge based and will be receiving some same-day third party support will the day-one patches save on the cartridge or the systems internal memory? I hope these are 64GB Carts that leaves some room for patches to save to the cart thereby saving hard drive room for other games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 23, 2016, 02:28:57 AM
When's the last time anyone put out writable carts? I honestly don't know. Neither the DS or 3DS had writable memory on the carts, did they?

It's a really interesting question, and given the state of how the non-Nintendo true reality works, that could be a real issue. Surely they're not going to ship physical 64GB cards that will have to be re-written in almost the entirety to have the correct version of the game. At the same time, the main unit isn't going to be able to hold more than a few 64 gb installs, if even that off the shelf.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2016, 02:40:52 AM
I think the CARDriges will be ROMS because that is cheaper.

WiiU held up okay with updates on 32gb storage. Downloading eShop games is what pushed me over to an external hard drive. If you the consumer throw in a 128gb SD card for it should fill in the gap.

Remotely related, I seem to recall a rumor early on that Nintendo was going to go heavy into cloud saves with the NX.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2016, 03:39:10 AM
Cloud saves wouldn't save any storage space, it's less than 1% of a games install. It is going to need at a minimum 256GB of on board storage, anything less and it is going to get real bad with all sorts of size limitations, DLC, patches. An additional SD Card slot will help, but they have to be generous with the in built-in and allow the SD to function fully unlike the WiiU where it was bloody pointless as you couldn't store anything important on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 23, 2016, 03:56:03 AM
Didn't they drop SD card game storage on WiiU?

I hope they bring that back. I used USB flash , which worked fine, but I like the form factor of SD cards better.
I haven't bought a hard drive for this, but that would be great. Hard Drives are now the price point where they are more affordable. I used a hard drive for my Ouya, but I never used it on wii u because I'd rather use a vanilla hard drive for it.

@Shyguy. I think I remember reading an article that Nintendo bought a company that does cloud stuff a few years ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 23, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
@Shaymin
Nintendo usually releases something around my birthday. March 27th. Traditionally Nintendo has released a console in the US on the third Sunday of November. I think Nintendo usually releases software on a Tuesday. So, likely They'll release the info on Feb 3rd, and release the system on  March 29th, which pretty much follows your two month rule. That's still 54 days for everyone to get hyped up.

This is the first full console release for Nintendo since they transitioned to a "retail = Friday" release schedule, though. The last thing that broke this rule was Pokemon XY, and that was a Saturday because of the same day worldwide release.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 23, 2016, 09:57:45 AM
So I just bought Gears 4 which requires an 11.GB update and a 54.6GB install  so another thing I am hoping for is the architecture of the NX is built around dropping the necessity of the Full Game Install since we will be running off of cartridge that should have a much higher data bandwidth that would make the difference in playing from the cart or HD negligible. This is for Passive Mode (Undocked) as it shouldn't make a difference when in Active Mode (Docked) and running at full power and speed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Agent-X- on October 23, 2016, 12:23:34 PM
If Emily Roger's rumored specs are spot on, the NS will feature a mere 32 GB of internal storage.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I'm hoping there will be dual SD card slots for unlimited storage expansion on the go.

and maybe the option to connect an external HDD to the dock (if there isn't already one in there), so you can local store all your data, and only carry on the Switch what you need for that day.

It looks like good 128GB microSD cards are as cheap as about $27 right now
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2016, 02:19:26 PM
Looks like Michael Ancel found an old unreleased/scrapped version of Rayman for the SNES
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL5fSliA2bD/

and now he wants to bring it to the Switch!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL5f5XIAfa5/
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 23, 2016, 06:39:13 PM
I'm hoping there will be dual SD card slots for unlimited storage expansion on the go.

and maybe the option to connect an external HDD to the dock (if there isn't already one in there), so you can local store all your data, and only carry on the Switch what you need for that day.

It looks like good 128GB microSD cards are as cheap as about $27 right now

If the 3 port rumor (1 USB3, 2 USB2) ends up coming to pass, pretty sure that shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2016, 06:41:53 PM
that's on the dock I assume?

but what about the handheld? that needs a dual SD card slot
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 23, 2016, 07:51:17 PM
Why dual?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 23, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
I posted this image to the RFN podcast twitter after they had their discussion on storage and badly-optimized games. Mind you none of the games are digital. All physical copies.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvTQUlvVMAA6hss.jpg)

Switch needs to be 500gb minimum. My PS4 feels like a Wii U Basic, I can only have a short amount of games installed. Hell, I've never had to fridge-clean my Wii U Basic model after I added a 250gb hard drive. But if Nintendo is going to work more with third-parties this time, it needs to offer storage solutions that are in line with competing systems. Otherwise some devs will balk at having to optimize more for one console than the other 2.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Agent-X- on October 23, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
@Soren Bingo!


They would have to be stupid to go with 32 GB of internal storage. I fear the only SD card slot they're going to offer is one that fits their proprietary cartridge.


We will have to wait and see, but until then SMDH that we even have to go through this discussion in 2016.


UPDATE: I'm also coming to the sad realization that the latest Pokemon game for 3DS is NOT even compatible with this thing. Any further support for the 3DS will have no benefit to this new hybrid portable, meaning basically that this thing has to wait for some brand new Pokemon title...


Why are they going the route of a proprietary SD cartridge? Are we still THAT worried about game piracy?....
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 23, 2016, 10:40:34 PM
Just because a Pokemon Port has not yet been announced doesn't mean it won't be announced. 

And the question between SD Card Support or Hard Drive Support is simple.  Can you read fast enough from an SD Card to support downloaded games? 

If so then having an SD Card as your Hard Drive seems pretty OK to me. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Agent-X- on October 23, 2016, 11:15:45 PM
Spak-Spang, I don't think we're thinking about this the same way.


Here's how I'm seeing it, and maybe I'm missing the obvious. So we have the tablet that is the NS, correct? Inside the tablet is an internal storage of 32 GB. I imagine that this storage will be in the form of a micro-SD card just like a tablet or smart phone. Expect that opening up the NS voids the warranty.


Now let's assume they provide just the cartridge slot for their proprietary SD cartridges. It's possible there will be free space on those cartridges for updates and DLC, etc. I'm not going to assume anything, though.


I don't expect the tablet will have USB ports for external storage. I don't expect a second SD card slot, BUT if the device doesn't have one, how is the NS going to handle large software updates? 32 GB is small by comparison. Just a few games will chew that up once you start including DLC like extra map packs, extra race tracks, etc.


This isn't a question of whether SD cards are fast enough to be storage. They absolutely are. SSD (including flash memory) is blazing fast. The problem is I'm skeptical Nintendo will include a standard SD slot let alone dual card slots. How are you supposed to store game updates and DLC if there's only one card slot and extremely limited 32 GB internal storage?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM
@Soren Bingo!


They would have to be stupid to go with 32 GB of internal storage. I fear the only SD card slot they're going to offer is one that fits their proprietary cartridge.


We will have to wait and see, but until then SMDH that we even have to go through this discussion in 2016.


UPDATE: I'm also coming to the sad realization that the latest Pokemon game for 3DS is NOT even compatible with this thing. Any further support for the 3DS will have no benefit to this new hybrid portable, meaning basically that this thing has to wait for some brand new Pokemon title...


Why are they going the route of a proprietary SD cartridge? Are we still THAT worried about game piracy?....


The Wii, Wii U, and 3DS all have SD support and the 3DS has that for game storage. I am fairly certain Nintendo has to allow for removable storage for a portable system with console level complexities. You shouldn't need to install the retail games physical game since the speed of the read/write cartridge should be a nominal difference from the internal memory. eShop games are a different deal and are going to require more than 32GB. Infinite Warfare won't fit on 32GB and Nintendo is not that daft. 


There absolutely with be both SD cards and Game Cards on the tablet. 100%


@Agent-x I think (hope) nintendo ships all games on 64GB cards and level a partition on every cart for the updates and patches and DLC. I think this optimizes both performance and barratry life.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 23, 2016, 11:50:38 PM
Well  we haven't seen the bottom of the device yet.  All I know is that if you want 500 GB of Flash memory that costs money, and will raise the price possibly higher than you want.  This is one of the areas Nintendo is going to compromise on.  So I expect to see 64 GB to 128 GB.  That means for games we are going to need external storage.  There are a few options Nintendo can do.

1) Include memory in the Dock that you can easily and quickly juggle games between Dock and System.  I don't think this will happen because the Dock is being included in the price.  I think it is a simple charging dock and device to connect to the TV only.

2) SD Card Support.  Nintendo has shown that they like the SD memory solution.  These Days it is fast, and cheap.  It would be completely easy for Nintendo to allow game installs on SD memory and players could bring and organize their collection with 1-3 SD cards.  Not a perfect solution, but if the SD card is easy to access and remove then this will work.  And again this could easily be on the bottom of the device. 

3) Special Memory Cards that are basically blank Switch Carts.  I don't think Nintendo will want to go this way because of the possibility of piracy, but perhaps they decide to do this.  That means that  A) Like you said carts will have enough memory on them for saves and perhaps updates.  B)  Nintendo will be making money on selling special memory cards good for Nintendo bad for us.  I also don't think this will happen.  The SD card seems most likely.

To me SD storage just makes perfect since with a portable system.   
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 24, 2016, 02:30:05 AM
This storage space talk is kind of freaking me out because if there is a way Nintendo could screw up this whole thing it would be something stupid like too little or too restrictive of storage.  There are details that have not been revealed yet like that or battery life, online infrastructure, price, etc. that if buggered up could sink the whole thing.  This all seems like obvious stuff but I usually don't fear Nintendo screwing up the hard stuff.  They've always been the camper that remembered everything but the tent.

People download games these days.  As for as I know every Wii U or 3DS game is available as a digital purchase.  This has to accommodate that.  In a portable system there is a considerable benefit to being able to bring your entire library with you at all times and they should know that from the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2016, 02:48:02 AM
Why dual?

Wishful thinking mostly...
Because people will want lots of storage if they are going to be taking this thing around with them, and no one wants to constantly swap out microSD cards.

I posted a link to Amazon earlier that pointed at a 128GB microSD card for ~$27.00 and being able to put 2 of those as external storage would give me an additional 256GB ontop of whatever the system had internally. You could spend $150+ on a 256GB card... but 2x128GB is the price of a game, and allows you to have 1 SD card strictly be for eShop/VC purchases/apps, and then the other SD card could have pics, music, videos, game saves and whatever other random stuff you wish to carry on that extra card.

and besides, to include a 2nd SD card reader is really cheap. Much cheaper than bumping up the internal storage while still allowing cheap memory expansion.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2016, 02:57:26 AM
I think this is a big enough system.  Nintendo needs to just support full sized SD cards.  I think they are easier and safer when traveling.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: crashnnburn on October 24, 2016, 03:38:58 AM
So I don't want to be all negative nancy with the Switch, but several points that have me worried.

First, how big will the pad be? It looks well sized in some scenes, but then in the basketball scene where 4 guys are looking at the pad it looks so tiny. I think a good size at least would be around 8-10 inches. I mean you're gonna play console level games not notepad crappy games.

Second, an ipad 9 inch is $300.00. If all goes well, the Switch is probably going to be around $250 - $300. How will this console be so powerful and play the latest games and be the same price as an iPad that can play candy crush and angry birds? It just doesn't add up to me.

And well the rest of the things already mentioned, heat... battery life... space.

I think that a great idea would be if Nintendo decides to tier the Switch's docking station. Offer 2 or more versions. The Pro version will have a better processor to help the Switch play AAA titles at max graphics 1080p 60fps games when it's docked. Something of that nature would be excellent.

And I think they won't leave the 3DS market cause of the Switch. I'm pretty sure I read something they said in regards to the NX not being a replacement of the WiiU or the 3DS. Besides, the 3DS has 2 screens and very different market, that one fits in your pocket.

Lastly, I remember I saw a rumor a long time ago about NX running on Android or something like that. Maybe, since it's a pad, it might have a Android Emulator or something of that sort. This way they would have the whole google play store library in their hands. You can play any games you want, from mobile to console. And with them getting into the mobile sector, it's a possibility
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 24, 2016, 03:44:36 AM
With microSD you can always store them inside adapter sleeves.

@crashnburn. You will have options for your pads. Nintendo is good about that. There were rumors a few months back that it might connect to a bunch of bluetooth devices. Meaning you might be able to connect an xbox or playstation controller to it. I think the little controllers are if your in a bind and just want to set up a game real quick.

for your power question.  The nvidia shield k1 is a tablet and it costs $200 and its in terms of power in the middle of an xbox360 and an xbox one.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Switch developers will have to use more compression for their games. If you look at the install sizes of cross-gen games for Sony and MS, the sizes would balloon up, even if the textures and audio files weren't that much different in quality.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
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How will this console be so powerful and play the latest games and be the same price as an iPad that can play candy crush and angry birds? It just doesn't add up to me.



Please don't take this the wrong way but you can't look at what Apple does as an indicator of anything price related. They are like Cadillac, basically a Buick with fancier dressing you pay a premium price just for the Apple name alone. It has always been that way. Nintendo, as much as I love them, are far from a "premium" brand at this point.

Also just because Candy Crush is the most common game on the iOS doesn't mean it can't handle better games, maybe look at the actual App store before you pass judgment. I mean just saying.


As far as storage goes, I am not sure if it matters as much. 32GB is not enough, there is no denying that, BUT if this machine uses carts then the need for installs goes away, the whole reason for installs is to get the game into the RAM faster because the disc's take forever to load, that is the solution to the optical media problem. This does not have that problem so there is no need to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

That means nothing for patches though. I have a 1.5 TB drive plugged into my Wii U and that is a damn waste of space. I could have gotten by with a measily 250 GB and still had room to grow. My PS4 has 500 GB internal and I haven't even hit 25 percent yet.

If a person uses this as their only console and it is their only gaming option that would be an issue. But considering every system they have released since Wii supports SD cards there is no reason to assume this won't.

USB is not a solution hell it isn't even an option if this thing is supposed to be a portable. Not unless there is a way via I don't know the cloud or something to access the dock from when you are on the go but that sounds like a terrible solution.

Cloud storage is NOT GOOD either. Cloud is bad. Why? Because a portable device is going to be used at times and places where there is no internet access period. Gaming on the go doesn't work if you can not save your game locally and need internet, that would suck you play Zelda for 8 hours, make real progress but the internet is down and you can't save and then the battery dies and you lost everything. That won't work.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ejamer on October 24, 2016, 10:33:58 AM
Cloud storage has benefits if you want to swap save files between multiple machines, and if it's optional. But I totally agree with the drawbacks mentioned above - I specifically don't want a console (especially portable) that relies on an internet connect to function, because I don't always have an internet connection available to me.


(This might not be an issue for many people though, especially if they don't plan to travel with the system. I could see it working fine if you only play games at home...)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 24, 2016, 10:39:51 AM
Compression isn't a magic wand, the textures are already compressed as is sound unless you're incompetent like the Titanfall guys. With less RAM and overall power the Switch won't be running the same high textures saving space that way.

It is just that Day One patches, large DLC and download only games are here to stay. If Nintendo doesn't provide a good storage solution nothing else matters as yet again everyone would be constrained by storage sizes again.

64GB is quite low these days unless you are a phone, If that is just the internal storage and they provide an additional 64GB card to supplement it out of the gate then that might work as they wouldn't look too frugal.

Oh please for the Love of God ditch region locking.

As for Apple there is Apple Tax* and the fact the mobile space just don't have a market for premium games let alone "AAA" regardless of platform. Lack of physical controls and the near impossibility of breaking out is just salts the Earth.

Steam cloud storage is quite good. It is seamless and I can rely on it to work across an number of computer cross platform. Cloud storage would be nice for the Switch for when you get home on Wifi.

*Apple charges extra for three reasons 1. It's a luxury brand 2. It just works, iOS is very well optimised for the hardware they use even if on paper it is weaker. 3. People are willing to pay for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 11:26:33 AM
Oohboy I was not talking about compression. These carts are likely to be 32GB right? If that is the case isn't that enough to store the game itself? What I meant is there won't be any need to install any portion of the game to the internal memory because the read/write speed between the cart is so much faster than a disc drive. That was the benefit of installs right to alleviate the long loading times? Patches and DLC is a different matter. For the base game if you don't have to have a 15GB install that leaves room on the internal memory for DLC and patches. So you don't need as much space.

To be clear the more space the better, if they can include 64GB standard and support for SD cards that would be enough. IF, again IF there are no mandatory installs which is what having carts should mean, I don't own a 3DS so correct me if I am wrong but are there mandatory installs on it?


Maybe Cloud storage is bad was the wrong words. I enjoy my cloud storage with PS Plus, what I meant is as a solution to not having internal storage it is bad. There needs to be an offline option if their solution is cloud that is not a solution that is more of a problem. Being able to store your games and saves in the cloud as an option is a good thing. I should have clarified.


Also one last thing, if the  games are carts doesn't that mean they themselves can be read/write so that they can have save states built in, further reducing the need for storage? I mean I am just trying to consider all angles here.


My thinking is if the carts are large enough to store the game and can have save states, I thought DS games were read/write for that purpose? Then if they eliminate the need for mandatory installs, that just leaves you will buying digital purchases and DLC. 64GB is managebale for that if they allow for SD as an option.

There is no need to offer you an SD card for free, seriously at this point who here doesn't have a damn stack of these lying around? Isn't 32GB basically the standard SD card size with 64 and 128 very small premiums? If they offer 64GB out of the gate and can expand with SD cards most people who already have other devices already have 32GB SD cards, right?

bnmild your dream of dual SD cards would be perfect solution, I don't see why they can't do that.
Obviously the more storage the better, duh, but we have to accept that this is a portable device that connects to your TV first. This is the successor to the 3DS and they killed off their home console division. At least that is how I am taking this until we learn otherwise.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2016, 11:37:47 AM
How would Nintendo authenticate your purchase that you've saved onto a SD card without the internet?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 11:39:44 AM
How would Nintendo authenticate your purchase that you've saved onto a SD card without the internet?

The same way Steam does? As in how do you download a digital copy without the internet?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 24, 2016, 11:48:15 AM
I was talking to Shyguy about compression.

The carts will help but then there are download only players and companies fucking requiring the large day one patches. You have all seen games where the patch is bigger than the initial game install. Then there is games like Pay Day 2 where where it keeps growing in size because there is a very active player base that wants more content.

We are past the days where a game can be self contained in a cart.

There will be offline saves, don't worry about that at all. Cloud saves will be a bonus.
How would Nintendo authenticate your purchase that you've saved onto a SD card without the internet?
Like they do now with the 3DS SD slot. The WiiU was dumb as it didn't allow the same on the SD card yet allowed installs on an external HDD.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2016, 12:33:05 PM
Call of Duty Ghosts
Xbox one size: 42.21gb
Xbox 360 size: 9.6gb
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2016, 01:06:12 PM
Looking for more examples, Shyguy maybe onto something. PS4 vs PS3 file sizes are 10gb at least in most cases.

Still, I think it'd be a mistake if Nintendo didn't include at least 64 gb and an ability to expand your memory through SD Cards and XHDD's.

Storage aside, I really think the biggest issue is the balance between price, specs, and battery life. I think it has to be on par with the XBONE, with a price no higher than $300, and a battery life of at least 5 hours. I'm not sure if that's even possible, though.

The reason it needs to be on par with the XBONE are ports. You don't want developers having trouble porting to your machine. The price can't be higher than $300 or you are directly competing with the PS4 and XBONE, and you may not win. And finally, if the battery can't last longer than 5 hours it's truly not portable.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2016, 02:09:18 PM
This discussion reminded me of the rumors from Boogie2988.
http://gonintendo.com/stories/266258-rumor-boogie2988-gets-insider-info-on-nx-expands-upon-console (http://gonintendo.com/stories/266258-rumor-boogie2988-gets-insider-info-on-nx-expands-upon-console)
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- in the example, you have a unit attached to your TV where you play the Assassin's Creed console game
- then you can detach the unit and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game on the go

This makes me think that docked Switch does indeed have more power and maybe even more storage space. A 1gb mobile game is installed on the tablet, and the full game is stored on the dock storage? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 02:17:15 PM
Okay Oohboy thanks for clarifying I wasn't sure. There are just too many conversations taking place all at once to keep track of them all.

Still, like I asked before, how does Nintendo do it on 3DS? Surely that system doesn't require mandatory installs and yes you can talk about what Sony and Microsoft are doing all day long but it is quite conceivable that Nintendo might not allow for those day one patches and mandatory installs on their machine.

Sure that might deter some 3rd parties but not if the system sells well enough to justify it. Again I am still thinking that developers will treat this as a handheld, meaning they will make the console version for the other two and optimize the games for this thing, just like they did with 3DS. This has enough of the console side to convince a few of them to port over their console games but I am still expecting them to treat this as a completely different machine than the other two.

Now before you reply that defeats the purpose, I disagree. The reason developers never supported the home console was it was always weird, nonstandard stuff that made their life more difficult and the console customers weren't going to buy three machines, the Sony/Xbox, the Nintendo console and the Nintendo handheld. But even during that entire time companies still made handheld versions of those games.

So once again, Nintendo's solution to being the and console is to eliminate the need for people to pick between the console (Wii U/Game Cube) and the Handheld (DS/GBA) instead they buy one machine. The reason developers are excited is it means instead of making THREE versions of the game, home console, Nintendo console, and handheld, they get  back to making TWO versions of the same game, home console and Switch. This is a very big deal this is WHY the Switch is a  big deal its more than just Nintendo can concentrate on making more games a year, it is also so 3rd party developers that still make a side game for the handheld continue to do so but the home console gamer gets to enjoy that game on their console.

Does that mean the games will be compromised sure it does, bring it on, I would rather they concentrate their efforts on making a very good handheld version that can be enjoyed on the TV rather than trying to make a low quality console version that is inbetween the handheld and console. I might not be explaining this right but I think the gist is there.


Midway, Capcom, Rock Star, even Rare made games for the Handhelds but not the consoles. If Nintendo markets this thing right, and words it right in the legal documents, there is EVERY BIT a chance they could simply pass this off as a true handheld and guess what, convince Microsoft to play ball and let Rare make games for it, now how damn cool would that be? That is what makes this huge. We need to, Nintendo needs to, the entire industry needs to think of this as Nintendo replacing the 3DS and just dropping out of the true console space. With that view in mind, taking this as the successor to the 3DS you can apply handheld logic to the development and under that plan you get not only MORE games, you get games from companies that might be reluctant to support an off brand home box but recognize in the handheld space Nintendo IS IT.



Basically what all that amounts to is they could convince third party companies to make the games work on this and 3rd parties don't see it as a Wii U they see it as a 3DS. In that scenario they will work within the limitations because this thing will easily outsell the other two but it will be the handheld market first and the console market along for the ride. Those who like the handhelds but want to play those games on the TV.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 24, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
And finally, if the battery can't last longer than 5 hours it's truly not portable.

I don't mean to be a contrarian, but the real world 3DS battery life for me can be as low as 3 hours of constant play, and the original 3DS was even worse.  It's not ideal, but Nintendo has abandoned long battery life as a priority a long time ago.  I think that they expect people to use portables on daily commutes and that sort of thing, charging them when not in use.  They require accessories to stay alive for long trips.  With the 3DS, I tend to just use it for a while on long plane trips and use my phone the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
I am not so sure about that, it needs either 3-5 hours minimum or there should be a wireless charging solution. Most people play their 3DS as a home console anyways, kids play at school on the bus or playground right but that's for very short periods of time and for long commutes you have this plus your mobile device so while your Switch is charging on a road trip, play some Pokemon Go or Super Mario Run. I think that is what Nintendo is expecting people to do.

Another thing, back when you had to pay for batteries yes battery life was an issue, but in todays mobile connected world, chargers and charging stations are a dime a dozen. If they can work wireless charging into the system that works out even better. Also remember the New 3DS didn't even come with an A/C adapter so they might very well be working on winging their gamers from that practice like Key Billy pointed out.

Either way, we won't know more until what January or later anyways.
As for the JoyCon I am curious what their battery life is going to be, will there be situations where you need to charge the tablet separate from the controllers, now that might be an issue.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2016, 05:15:40 PM
And finally, if the battery can't last longer than 5 hours it's truly not portable.

I don't mean to be a contrarian, but the real world 3DS battery life for me can be as low as 3 hours of constant play, and the original 3DS was even worse.  It's not ideal, but Nintendo has abandoned long battery life as a priority a long time ago.  I think that they expect people to use portables on daily commutes and that sort of thing, charging them when not in use.  They require accessories to stay alive for long trips.  With the 3DS, I tend to just use it for a while on long plane trips and use my phone the rest of the time.

Hmm I forgot about the piss-poor 3DS battery.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 24, 2016, 07:18:25 PM
This discussion reminded me of the rumors from Boogie2988.
http://gonintendo.com/stories/266258-rumor-boogie2988-gets-insider-info-on-nx-expands-upon-console (http://gonintendo.com/stories/266258-rumor-boogie2988-gets-insider-info-on-nx-expands-upon-console)
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- in the example, you have a unit attached to your TV where you play the Assassin's Creed console game
- then you can detach the unit and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game on the go

This makes me think that docked Switch does indeed have more power and maybe even more storage space. A 1gb mobile game is installed on the tablet, and the full game is stored on the dock storage? Just a thought.




This also jives with the 2 versions of Dragon Quest 11 that SquareEnix announced.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 24, 2016, 08:39:47 PM
Call of Duty Ghosts
Xbox one size: 42.21gb
Xbox 360 size: 9.6gb

More recent example: PSN says the PS3 version of NBA 2k17 is 7.9GB, and the PS4 version is 44.4GB. The difference between say, 720p and 1080p images can't be that big, can it? Or are we talking about using FLAC for all the audio?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2016, 09:00:56 PM
This also jives with the 2 versions of Dragon Quest 11 that SquareEnix announced.

This makes too much sense. It's all coming together!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 24, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
Call of Duty Ghosts
Xbox one size: 42.21gb
Xbox 360 size: 9.6gb

More recent example: PSN says the PS3 version of NBA 2k17 is 7.9GB, and the PS4 version is 44.4GB. The difference between say, 720p and 1080p images can't be that big, can it? Or are we talking about using FLAC for all the audio?

I've heard that the textures, audio and video are uncompressed or less compressed, because if you've got the space, screw it! Never mind the download time or taking up 15% of the PS4 hard drive for one game...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 24, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
This is exactly why Nintendo should go with a 64GB Cartridge with a 48/16 read write partition. Proprietary or not they will have to buy 100,000,000 or so and the 48 GB is DL Blu-Ray size. They should be able to get the price down to less than $2 a card. They can completely change the game...and there is the slogan.




Nintendo Switch
"Change The Game"
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: oohhboy on October 24, 2016, 11:36:30 PM
In regards to battery life, the Switch is bigger than the 3DS. The both the battery and screen size(One of the most power hungry) increase while the SOC tends stay about the same amount of wattage due to heat limitations. The battery capacity grows in cubic^3 as size goes up while the screen power drain only goes up in square^2, given the same technology as the 3DS just up scaled.

Unless they skimp on the battery, for the increase in size it should theoretically have better battery life than the 3DS assuming the parts grows in proportion.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2016, 01:14:10 AM
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How will this console be so powerful and play the latest games and be the same price as an iPad that can play candy crush and angry birds? It just doesn't add up to me.



Please don't take this the wrong way but you can't look at what Apple does as an indicator of anything price related. They are like Cadillac, basically a Buick with fancier dressing you pay a premium price just for the Apple name alone. It has always been that way. Nintendo, as much as I love them, are far from a "premium" brand at this point.

Also just because Candy Crush is the most common game on the iOS doesn't mean it can't handle better games, maybe look at the actual App store before you pass judgment. I mean just saying.

the infamous Apple-tax.

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As far as storage goes, I am not sure if it matters as much. 32GB is not enough, there is no denying that, BUT if this machine uses carts then the need for installs goes away, the whole reason for installs is to get the game into the RAM faster because the disc's take forever to load, that is the solution to the optical media problem. This does not have that problem so there is no need to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

That means nothing for patches though. I have a 1.5 TB drive plugged into my Wii U and that is a damn waste of space. I could have gotten by with a measily 250 GB and still had room to grow. My PS4 has 500 GB internal and I haven't even hit 25 percent yet.

If a person uses this as their only console and it is their only gaming option that would be an issue. But considering every system they have released since Wii supports SD cards there is no reason to assume this won't.

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USB is not a solution hell it isn't even an option if this thing is supposed to be a portable. Not unless there is a way via I don't know the cloud or something to access the dock from when you are on the go but that sounds like a terrible solution.

(http://i.imgur.com/Kx6qZVi.jpg)
128GB USB nub. You'd hardly notice it, depending on where the USB drive on the portable would be.
assuming there would be one. I'd just prefer dual microSD slots.


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Cloud storage is NOT GOOD either. Cloud is bad. Why? Because a portable device is going to be used at times and places where there is no internet access period. Gaming on the go doesn't work if you can not save your game locally and need internet, that would suck you play Zelda for 8 hours, make real progress but the internet is down and you can't save and then the battery dies and you lost everything. That won't work.

I'm sure the clould would be more for backup, and I'm sure there will likely be room on each cart for quick saves and things that are specific to that game you're using.[/quote]
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 25, 2016, 01:53:53 AM
An easy solution would be a hard drive for home and usb sticks for travel. How many games will you be playing at once on the go?

Lets put this into perspective. When the Wii U launched you had the option of basic or Deluxe. Deluxe cost $349.99 and basic cost $299

If we all recall all the Deluxe editions sold out while the Basics sat on the shelf and collected dust. Eventually they discontinued the basic.

So, what lesson did Nintendo learn from this? $350 is a price more people are willing to buy. They might as well make the basic level this and make Deluxe $400 super Deluxe even higher.

When you compare Shield to the competition and the Switch what do you find? How powerful is the Switch going to be if the Shield is $200 and Nintendo feels they can get away with $350?

When the wii u came out we did a calculation. When Gamecube came out Peter Main said he believed the mass market price was $199. This was in 2002. When we adjusted for the value of the dollar over time it happened to be about $350. 

Now it could be Nintendo wants to pull a Wii and have an underpowered yet disruptive device and sell it at a low price, but the Wii retailed for $250.

Nintendo might feel its brand is weakened and perceived as underpowered and might go for higher, or they might go for value. It's hard to say.

The middle is $300, but is that the sweet spot? or is there no sweet spot because they might have several models because they built really scalable hardware. There might be something for everybody.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 25, 2016, 01:59:14 AM
More people may have been willing to pay $350 for the Deluxe model than $300 for the basic, but the extremely low sales of the Wii U in general should have scared Nintendo away from that higher price point.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2016, 02:38:43 AM
I think for any portable computing device $300 is a fair price.

Look what a $300.00 tablet gets you these days.  They are not beastly machines but they are highly capable.  Some media sources are predicting a $250.00 price as always but I think Nintendo may price it higher for a perceived image.  They don't want fans to think it is another cheap system again.  Nintendo isn't going for the 4K market any time soon...nor should it.  If they get slightly above PS4 specs but not they don't have to go to PS4 Pro levels.  I think they will be fine.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2016, 03:16:56 AM
I'm prepared for $349.99

But that's the Switch tablet and attached joycons, the joycon grip, the dock, hdmi cable, 1 power cable for the dock and one travel charger for the tablet.

I'm hoping this tablet has 128GB onboard with dual microSD slots for easy expansion.
I'm not even going to guess the specs right now, but a nice selection of pre-loaded starter software:
MiiMaker, Netflix, some Nintendoland like game, VirtualConsole, Internet browser, SwitchShop, MyNintendo, Switchboard MessengerTM (social media app), Media Manager, etc etc

It also better launch with a sleek and sexy looking UI that's actually very easy to use.
This must never look like a childrens toy in initial advertising directed at the mainstream media and hardcore gamers. This means no specialized joycons till the Xmas game bundles.

-It's gotta have a multi-touch screen, inward and outward camera on the tablet.
-Rumble, gyro, and possibly even pointer capabilities in the wireless, rechargeable joycons.
-The dock triggers active cooling, allowing full clock speed from the tablet, which means performance bump for 1080p (and 4k) UHDTV's. attached USB storage allows for a bottomless fridge full of endless media ready to be loaded on or off of  your main tablet consumption on the go.
-The joycon grip also allows for recharging the joycons at the same time, even while playing (some of these may seem obvious, but I'm stating it all the same).

and given that there are a bunch of good, interesting games that look GREAT graphically, as in on par with other systems, then I am fully prepared to drop $350 on this.

all the rest of you better go get a 2nd job, because Nintendo is Switch'NTM things up and moving out of the Gaming Ghetto.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ThePerm on October 25, 2016, 06:28:47 AM
Also, the whole no announcements till 2017 thing is overblown. 2017 is a little over two months away.

Ijustimagine when people see this in motion

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hKMsNiJC6cajSq6xo2ICrRjkigA=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7175131/14369192_953707601400156_8704898801950785536_n.jpg)

people will **** themselves
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stogi on October 25, 2016, 10:49:56 AM
I'm prepared for $349.99

But that's the Switch tablet and attached joycons, the joycon grip, the dock, hdmi cable, 1 power cable for the dock and one travel charger for the tablet.

I'm hoping this tablet has 128GB onboard with dual microSD slots for easy expansion.
I'm not even going to guess the specs right now, but a nice selection of pre-loaded starter software:
MiiMaker, Netflix, some Nintendoland like game, VirtualConsole, Internet browser, SwitchShop, MyNintendo, Switchboard MessengerTM (social media app), Media Manager, etc etc

It also better launch with a sleek and sexy looking UI that's actually very easy to use.
This must never look like a childrens toy in initial advertising directed at the mainstream media and hardcore gamers. This means no specialized joycons till the Xmas game bundles.

-It's gotta have a multi-touch screen, inward and outward camera on the tablet.
-Rumble, gyro, and possibly even pointer capabilities in the wireless, rechargeable joycons.
-The dock triggers active cooling, allowing full clock speed from the tablet, which means performance bump for 1080p (and 4k) UHDTV's. attached USB storage allows for a bottomless fridge full of endless media ready to be loaded on or off of  your main tablet consumption on the go.
-The joycon grip also allows for recharging the joycons at the same time, even while playing (some of these may seem obvious, but I'm stating it all the same).

and given that there are a bunch of good, interesting games that look GREAT graphically, as in on par with other systems, then I am fully prepared to drop $350 on this.

all the rest of you better go get a 2nd job, because Nintendo is Switch'NTM things up and moving out of the Gaming Ghetto.

Prepare to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ejamer on October 25, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
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Prepare to be disappointed.


With a list of "must haves" like that, I'd wager it's not the first time being left disappointed.
Not that it's an impossible list... but we've all been Nintendo fans for a while, right?


(But if your wishlist actually happens then I'll be hugely impressed with what Nintendo has put together!)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
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128GB USB nub. You'd hardly notice it, depending on where the USB drive on the portable would be.
assuming there would be one. I'd just prefer dual microSD slots.

But how much is the nub?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 25, 2016, 02:17:30 PM
I don't think USB is an option for the tablet as a storage medium, they could very easily put a USB port on the device. But what are the logistics of lugging around a protable USB drive to store games on? Even if you go the flash route how is that better than SD cards?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
For comparison: to upgrade the memory on my New 3DS XL, I paid $18 USD for a Sandisk 32GB SD card in Nov '15 and $21 USD for a Samsung 64GB MicoSD card in June '16, both bought through Amazon (US).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 03:30:09 PM
I'm prepared for $349.99

But that's the Switch tablet and attached joycons, the joycon grip, the dock, hdmi cable, 1 power cable for the dock and one travel charger for the tablet.

I'm hoping this tablet has 128GB onboard with dual microSD slots for easy expansion.
I'm not even going to guess the specs right now, but a nice selection of pre-loaded starter software:
MiiMaker, Netflix, some Nintendoland like game, VirtualConsole, Internet browser, SwitchShop, MyNintendo, Switchboard MessengerTM (social media app), Media Manager, etc etc

It also better launch with a sleek and sexy looking UI that's actually very easy to use.
This must never look like a childrens toy in initial advertising directed at the mainstream media and hardcore gamers. This means no specialized joycons till the Xmas game bundles.

-It's gotta have a multi-touch screen, inward and outward camera on the tablet.
-Rumble, gyro, and possibly even pointer capabilities in the wireless, rechargeable joycons.
-The dock triggers active cooling, allowing full clock speed from the tablet, which means performance bump for 1080p (and 4k) UHDTV's. attached USB storage allows for a bottomless fridge full of endless media ready to be loaded on or off of  your main tablet consumption on the go.
-The joycon grip also allows for recharging the joycons at the same time, even while playing (some of these may seem obvious, but I'm stating it all the same).

and given that there are a bunch of good, interesting games that look GREAT graphically, as in on par with other systems, then I am fully prepared to drop $350 on this.

all the rest of you better go get a 2nd job, because Nintendo is Switch'NTM things up and moving out of the Gaming Ghetto.

Ooh! These are fun!

That high price gives me ulcers though. I think Nintendo will definitely break things up and not make a one-box ultra bundle, thereby forcing you to buy accessories. Also, I can't help but overall hewing closely to the more conservative rumors from those people who seem to have a decent track record so far.

I'm thinking:
-a single SKU
-$249 (please god let this happen! This is one point where I'm allowing myself to be pie-in-the-sky)
-includes Switch, JoyCon L, JoyCon R, Dock, Power Cable, HDMI Cable

This would mean I would expect these accessories to be sold separately:
-JoyCon Grip
-Travel Charger for the Switch (the retail SKU only lets you charge when it's in the dock)
And of course the Switch Pro Controller

I do think the Switch will have a touch screen. Actually, my big conspiracy theory is that the JoyCon grip, in addition to being a battery charger for the JoyCon Controllers, is itself a touch pad! (the rumors I'm following also claim rumble, motion, and pointer control, even though these weren't explicitly shown in the video.

As for specs, I'm keeping my expectations on the conservative end. I expect the Switch to be sub-PS4/XB1 on paper, but with naturally newer tech such that it will be able to pass for that level of power. I'm HOPING to hear that it would use Pascal instead of Maxwell technology from NVidia since from my understanding that would mean it's possibly got better battery life (although some would opt to forgo battery improvement for more power?). Still, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pascal isn't part of this.

As for storage, Emily Rogers says 32 GB internal on the Switch, so that's what I'm going with. Sounds crazy small, but I expect it to be expandable with the SD Card Slot (I stuck a 128 GB into my 3DS and it's sorta wonderful).

On that note, I gotta hope the Switch supports SDXC cards and UHS speeds. I might then be in the market for a 128GB SDXC card at UHS-3 speed, which a quick Amazon Search says would set me back about $60. (It's also nice to see that Emily Rogers is claiming a USB 3.0 port on the dock itself. Shiny!)

I do hope too that, like you suggest, Nintendo's mobile titles come to the Switch as well. Maybe Pokemon Go is somewhat of reach because of a reliance on GPS, but MyNintendo ought to be there, and it'd be great if the future AnimalCrossing and FireEmblem titles are there as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 03:38:31 PM
Also, since there's all this talk about a 3DS successor being in the cards, what's to stop such a thing being a future "Switch Boy" in 1 or two years that's smaller, with improvements in battery life, has non-removable controllers, and hits the same performance?

Basically, the Switch is the starting point. And as Nintendo expands the "single library multiple hardware" concept, they grow the Switch in different directions:same-thing-but-smaller-and-longer-lasting as well as stronger-but-same-size-and-battery-life.

Oog, but latest rumors about current Switch Battery life sound GameGear level, so I'm definitely gonna have to look into a third-party portable-battery solution around launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2016, 04:07:49 PM
For comparison: to upgrade the memory on my New 3DS XL, I paid $18 USD for a Sandisk 32GB SD card in Nov '15 and $21 USD for a Samsung 64GB MicoSD card in June '16, both bought through Amazon (US).

updated in reply 217
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on October 25, 2016, 04:13:35 PM
Instead of different base units, how about different themes for the dock? I want one shaped like the sword in the stone or a Metroid charge station.

Oog, but latest rumors about current Switch Battery life sound GameGear level, so I'm definitely gonna have to look into a third-party portable-battery solution around launch.

Solution: they could make hats with solar panels woven into the fabric. It's clothing and a way to recharge your Switch on the go. Boom, solved.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 04:18:45 PM
For comparison: to upgrade the memory on my New 3DS XL, I paid $18 USD for a Sandisk 32GB SD card in Nov '15 and $21 USD for a Samsung 64GB MicoSD card in June '16, both bought through Amazon (US).

Also for comparison: I take my 3DS to work everyday and almost never open it. By the time I get home it always has lost a bar. I meant to check it every hour today, but couldn't. Sometime between hour 4 and hour 7 it lost a bar. I'm a little extra about not running out of power so I have 2 of those portable power banks. There are myCharge AmpMax and AmpPlus. The AmpMax is supposed to be 4X a regular battery and the AmpPlus 2x. My memory is that I needed the AmpMax to get through a 10 hour flight that included a lot of game time. I may have needed the AmpMax to get it fully charged from almost no power, but my memory isn't clear. However, if my memory is correct, that would mean a typical power bank probably wouldn't be sufficient.

Which Nintendo 3DS model do you have? I'm curious how your description of charges needed match up with the battery capacity that the specific 3DS model has?

Instead of different base units, how about different themes for the dock? I want one shaped like the sword in the stone or a Metroid charge station.

Oog, but latest rumors about current Switch Battery life sound GameGear level, so I'm definitely gonna have to look into a third-party portable-battery solution around launch.

Solution: they could make hats with solar panels woven into the fabric. It's clothing and a way to recharge your Switch on the go. Boom, solved.

Nintendo is getting into the Solar-powered Hat Business! BOOM! QoL!

Also... MAN. Nintendo is missing out MAJOR if they don't sell faceplates for that dock unit. MAJOR!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2016, 04:51:48 PM
I have a New 3DS XL purchased new in August 2015. The charge descriptions are from the company's website and are (I believe) intentionally ambiguous. I think they are 2X/4X a "typical smart phone battery", or put differently, how many times you should expect to fully charge your phone off of their power banks.

Edit: The AmpMax is 6700mAh. AmpPlus is 3000mAh
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 25, 2016, 06:03:52 PM
I have actually been mildly surprised by how long my n3DSXL battery holds out on a charge, though I've only used it lightly over time.

Anyhow, I'm expecting $300 for everything shown in the video. I don't see how they sell the grip separately. I also think there's a fair chance the "travel charger" is included as well (WiiU came with two power cords, after all).

Powerwise I just don't see how it gets on par with Xbone with just that tablet's guts, no matter how current the chip tech. The lower resolution will help close the gap, but I at best see it as like 3x WiiU=1/3 Xbone. BUT I was able to run Rise of the Tomb Raider at a playable level on the integrated graphics on a laptop I bought in 2014, so I think the hope has to reside in the scalability of current game engines.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 25, 2016, 06:14:54 PM
Battery life could be an issue to many people. My question is what is the acceptable length before it becomes unacceptable? For my style of play this will be a home console that I might use Wii U offtv style from time to time. I won't be using it as a true handheld all that often. I would be fine with say 5-7 hours on a charge. Less than that would be manageable for my needs but probably not for others.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on October 25, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
The BG&E 2 promo art actually makes me hopeful for the PC as a lead platform.  It would allow that beautiful art style with fewer compromises and would make for nice PS4Pro/Scorpio ports.

With that said, a remaster of the original for NS would be great.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
I don't think USB is an option for the tablet as a storage medium, they could very easily put a USB port on the device. But what are the logistics of lugging around a protable USB drive to store games on? Even if you go the flash route how is that better than SD cards?

I don't think it was meant to be "better" just a proof of concept.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 06:39:53 PM
Battery life could be an issue to many people. My question is what is the acceptable length before it becomes unacceptable? For my style of play this will be a home console that I might use Wii U offtv style from time to time. I won't be using it as a true handheld all that often. I would be fine with say 5-7 hours on a charge. Less than that would be manageable for my needs but probably not for others.

I'm definitely thinking less than that will be the reality. Though this is definitely sounding like a "Hybrid" console, my expectations for it to match a true portable for longevity is now on the order of a "Game Gear".

I think in terms of acceptability, they COULD get away with a 3-5 hr battery life if this is more meant to feel like "off-tv" on steroids. That is, you look out your rooftop and see your friends having a roof party. They call you over and you take your fully charged Switch out of the dock. When you get there you guys have tons of fun playing Kart or Party or Mario for a good 1/1.5 hours, but you don't play it all party-long because you eat and do other stuff and they have to clean up that roof after all. You get back home with 60% charge still there, totally unhindered by what is onjectively a short battery life.

The situation where this will be painful is a 6/8 hour roadtrip where I really want to game intensively and don't have many other draws on my attention.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2016, 10:13:44 PM
{image}
128GB USB nub. You'd hardly notice it, depending on where the USB drive on the portable would be.
assuming there would be one. I'd just prefer dual microSD slots.

But how much is the nub?

You could buy two of them for less than the price of an HD game. <$60 after tax and shipped on Amazon.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2016, 10:24:19 PM
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Prepare to be disappointed.


With a list of "must haves" like that, I'd wager it's not the first time being left disappointed.
Not that it's an impossible list... but we've all been Nintendo fans for a while, right?


(But if your wishlist actually happens then I'll be hugely impressed with what Nintendo has put together!)


Personally, I don't see what's so unreasonable about my "must have" list.

I thought I kept expectations reasonably in check for $350, especially when everyone else is calling for $250-$300 max.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Dasmos on October 25, 2016, 11:58:28 PM
So did MysticGohan ever show up after the off Switch announcement? Surely he'll have to surface sometime!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Dasmos on October 26, 2016, 12:00:24 AM
Also how much was the Wii U in the US? Surely the Switch would be on par, maybe slightly more than the Basic model Wii U?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 26, 2016, 12:09:24 AM
The basic Wii U was $300, but one of the lessons Nintendo needs to have learned from the Wii U is it was too expensive.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2016, 01:18:54 AM
The basic Wii U was $300, but one of the lessons Nintendo needs to have learned from the Wii U is it was too expensive.

Correction: The Wii U was too expensive for what it was. a portable that couldn't leave the TV.

$350 for something that turns out to be what you expect, isn't too much at all.
and like i said, if Nintendo can deliver on the basic building blocks they've already provided between the Wii, Wii U, and 3DS, inside of a Switch, then I would gladly hand them $350.

Just make sure the games and software support stays consistent.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2016, 01:21:31 AM
{image}
128GB USB nub. You'd hardly notice it, depending on where the USB drive on the portable would be.
assuming there would be one. I'd just prefer dual microSD slots.

But how much is the nub?

You could buy two of them for less than the price of an HD game. <$60 after tax and shipped on Amazon.

Oh really? Are they Wii U compatible? This may finally solve my online Smash dilemma.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2016, 01:23:09 AM
Have we talked about different SKUs for varying screen sizes yet?  Is that a want? Expectation?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2016, 01:24:26 AM
{image}
128GB USB nub. You'd hardly notice it, depending on where the USB drive on the portable would be.
assuming there would be one. I'd just prefer dual microSD slots.

But how much is the nub?

You could buy two of them for less than the price of an HD game. <$60 after tax and shipped on Amazon.

Oh really? Are they Wii U compatible? This may finally solve my online Smash dilemma.

I can't say they are Wii U compatible, but I don't know why they woudln't be....
but, don't say I never did nothing for you ;)

Amazon link to 128GB Samsung USB 3.0 nub for $27.95 w/ FREE 1-day shipping (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-128GB-Flash-MUF-128BB-AM/dp/B017DH3O5A/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1477372126&sr=1-10&keywords=256gb+usb+3.0+flash+drive)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 26, 2016, 01:57:03 AM
That's another thing. Why would the dock have USB hubs unless for storage? I doubt you can access the usb storage when on the jet plane with your Switch, so there must be something to it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Kairon on October 26, 2016, 03:09:25 AM
Have we talked about different SKUs for varying screen sizes yet?  Is that a want? Expectation?

Nope. At least, not in the first year or so of life.

I would imagine a "varying screen size sku" could come around the 1.5 or 2 year mark though, but in the form of a Switch Micro/Lite/Mini that would have a smaller screen, form factor, a mini dock/charger, and longer battery life. Sorta move down into space currently occupied by the New 3DS XL and PSVita.

As for going "up" in screen size, isn't that what a TV is for? @_@
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Stratos on October 26, 2016, 03:12:42 AM
I'd go for a Switch XL. There are some nice uses for the larger screen on the go or if you just have to play away from the TV. Sick day (lazy day) in bed? Pull out the larger Switch for watching shows or playing a game more comfortably than on a tiny screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Lemonade on October 26, 2016, 05:23:19 AM
The switch screen is already pretty big. I dont think it needs to be any bigger. As Kairon said, thats what the TV is for.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 26, 2016, 09:45:56 AM
They're not even selling a dockless model right away, I don't think we're looking at a Basic/Deluxe situation let alone bigger/smaller screen sizes.

As for price, they'll sell it at a profit but are "listening to the conversation", and I'm pretty sure that means something that starts with a 2 in the US.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: lolmonade on October 26, 2016, 10:59:32 AM
Not to wander from the current discussion too far, but I recall Ubisoft stating that Just Dance WILL be an NX game.  Does this mean likely support for the Wii Remote on the Switch, or using the Joy-Cons for motion tracking?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 26, 2016, 12:21:39 PM
That's another thing. Why would the dock have USB hubs unless for storage? I doubt you can access the usb storage when on the jet plane with your Switch, so there must be something to it.


Smash Bros. USB is needed fro the  GameCube Controller Hub. Smash sold 15mil copies on Wii U/3DS sos you'd best believe they need that to work on the Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 26, 2016, 12:32:03 PM
Hey whats up with Broodwars? It's always fun to see what he has to say on anything Nintendo. I haven't noticed anything about the Switch from him. Is he ok or just left NWR?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: supermario2k on October 26, 2016, 12:53:17 PM
That's another thing. Why would the dock have USB hubs unless for storage? I doubt you can access the usb storage when on the jet plane with your Switch, so there must be something to it.


Smash Bros. USB is needed fro the  GameCube Controller Hub. Smash sold 15mil copies on Wii U/3DS sos you'd best believe they need that to work on the Switch.


I don't think what Smash on Wii U/3DS has to do with Switch, it is an entirely new console it's going to have it's very own version of Smash Bros. Probably be much better at scaling down to the smaller size, and to that end, did the 3DS even support the Game Cube controllers or was that just for Wii U? Because if it wasn't supported on 3DS there isn't a need for that support with Switch as it has a controller option that appears to satisfy the need for Game Cube style controllers. Unless people are just so stuck in the past they can't let that go.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Shaymin on October 26, 2016, 01:27:30 PM
Hey whats up with Broodwars? It's always fun to see what he has to say on anything Nintendo. I haven't noticed anything about the Switch from him. Is he ok or just left NWR?

Connectivity issues.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Soren on October 26, 2016, 01:52:46 PM
Not to wander from the current discussion too far, but I recall Ubisoft stating that Just Dance WILL be an NX game.  Does this mean likely support for the Wii Remote on the Switch, or using the Joy-Cons for motion tracking?


I doubt it. JD has been emphasizing using your phone as a controller on other consoles.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 26, 2016, 09:22:20 PM

I don't think what Smash on Wii U/3DS has to do with Switch, it is an entirely new console it's going to have it's very own version of Smash Bros. Probably be much better at scaling down to the smaller size, and to that end, did the 3DS even support the Game Cube controllers or was that just for Wii U? Because if it wasn't supported on 3DS there isn't a need for that support with Switch as it has a controller option that appears to satisfy the need for Game Cube style controllers. Unless people are just so stuck in the past they can't let that go.


Not sure if you noticed but Smash is Nintendo number 1 Franchise and the best selling fight game series of all time...just syaing

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on October 26, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
Nintendo Switch Presentation, streamed live from Tokyo, will happen on January 12.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/791455799302246400 (https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/791455799302246400)

VIA Syrenne McNulty's Twitter

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"This will be an event for invited media, financial analysts and trade partners in Tokyo that will be globally livestreamed on Jan. 12"

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"The presentation will include the launch date and pricing for Nintendo Switch, as well as a look at the lineup of games currently in dev."


US and Europe will get media presentations at a later date. Public events will also be announced later.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Dasmos on October 26, 2016, 10:07:41 PM
I don't think what Smash on Wii U/3DS has to do with Switch, it is an entirely new console it's going to have it's very own version of Smash Bros. Probably be much better at scaling down to the smaller size, and to that end, did the 3DS even support the Game Cube controllers or was that just for Wii U? Because if it wasn't supported on 3DS there isn't a need for that support with Switch as it has a controller option that appears to satisfy the need for Game Cube style controllers. Unless people are just so stuck in the past they can't let that go.

Not sure if you noticed but Smash is Nintendo number 1 Franchise and the best selling fight game series of all time...just syaing

lol Nintendo's number 1 franchise.. What are you basing that on?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: nickmitch on October 27, 2016, 01:33:13 AM
Why does the Switch have to support the GC controller adapter for Smash?  Can't Smash sell on it's own?  Or is it believed that Smash 4's success has a lot to do with that adapter?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2016, 01:41:37 AM
Nintendo would rather sell you GC joycon's instead.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Pre-Release Discussion (March 2017)
Post by: rygar on October 27, 2016, 12:05:50 PM
For comparison: to upgrade the memory on my New 3DS XL, I paid $18 USD for a Sandisk 32GB SD card in Nov '15 and $21 USD for a Samsung 64GB MicoSD card in June '16, both bought through Amazon (US).

Also for comparison: I take my 3DS to work everyday and almost never open it. By the time I get home it always has lost a bar. I meant to check it every hour today, but couldn't. Sometime between hour 4 and hour 7 it lost a bar. I'm a little extra about not running out of power so I have 2 of those portable power banks. There are myCharge AmpMax and AmpPlus. The AmpMax is supposed to be 4X a regular battery and the AmpPlus 2x. My memory is that I needed the AmpMax to get through a 10 hour flight that included a lot of game time. I may have needed the AmpMax to get it fully charged from almost no power, but my memory isn't clear. However, if my memory is correct, that would mean a typical power bank probably wouldn't be sufficient.

The more I thought about this, the more likely I felt it was that I continued to game while the 3DS was plugged in and charging.  So I tested it.  I was able to get two full charges (I let the 3DS run until it shut down) out of the AmpMax and still have a one of four bars left on the power bank.


From the side of the AmpMax:
Model: AMU60KG-A
Capacity: 22.2Wh
Input: 5VDC, 2.1A
Output: 5VDC, 2.4A Max

From the myCharge website:
 Rechargeable 6700mAh portable charger
 
  The AmpMax 6700mAh portable charger delivers instant power in a compact, ergonomic design. With 2 built-in USB ports and and 2.4A output this powerbank is perfect for charging two devices simultaneously and up to 65% faster. The 6700mAh portable battery provides an extra 45 hours of power and comes complete with an integrated USB recharge cable. Recharging your powerbank just became a whole lot easier!
 
Battery Capacity: 6700 mAh portable charger
Recharges Via: Integrated USB cable
Compatibility: Smartphones, Tablets & USB Devices
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2016, 03:28:32 PM
Hmmm that's interesting. I guess we'd have to take battery specifications with a grain of salt, or I'd need to learn more about how they're rated, because I just go by mAh usually. The New 3DS XL is rated at 1750 mAh, so I'd expect you to get ALMOST four full additional charges out of a 6700 mAh external battery. Maybe there's inefficiencies in the charging process, or accepted variances in the manufacturing for either Nintendo or myCharge or both?

Anyways, I really hope that Nintendo is not cheaping out on the battery. You'd think with the proliferation of smart phones and upward pressure on battery capacity that creates Nintendo would be able to swing a decent battery in there... or maybe the thing really DOES draw that much power?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Oedo on October 27, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
Nintendo would rather sell you GC joycon's instead.

I'm sure they would, but I think most people who still prefer using the GameCube controller want to use the GameCube controller specifically. Competitive players most definitely will and as a casual player who still uses it, I'd rather move to the Switch Pro Controller than play with GameCube Joy-Cons.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Stratos on October 28, 2016, 12:34:01 AM
Hmmm that's interesting. I guess we'd have to take battery specifications with a grain of salt, or I'd need to learn more about how they're rated, because I just go by mAh usually. The New 3DS XL is rated at 1750 mAh, so I'd expect you to get ALMOST four full additional charges out of a 6700 mAh external battery. Maybe there's inefficiencies in the charging process, or accepted variances in the manufacturing for either Nintendo or myCharge or both?

Anyways, I really hope that Nintendo is not cheaping out on the battery. You'd think with the proliferation of smart phones and upward pressure on battery capacity that creates Nintendo would be able to swing a decent battery in there... or maybe the thing really DOES draw that much power?


Good thing they aren't working with Samsung and their exploding Note 7 batteries ;)

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on October 28, 2016, 02:03:26 AM
Bloomberg Q&A With President Tatsumi Kimishima.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-28/nintendo-s-big-switch-q-a-with-president-tatsumi-kimishima (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-28/nintendo-s-big-switch-q-a-with-president-tatsumi-kimishima)

Planning went back 3 years(!). They always start with the philosophy before the hardware: 'our original concept was, "What kind of new experience can we create?"' Just think, by this time next year, they'll be planning the Nintendo Lever (coming in 2022!)

No demos til January: "We want people to touch the device in January"

Why such a snazzy debut video? "...to communicate our new idea, when you think about who will understand it first, naturally it will be people who really understand games. To communicate that as quickly as possible, we focused on those folks who really understand games."

Will we see the modular controller accessories of forum mockup infamy? Sounds possible: "In terms of attachments to the core part that is the Switch, it may be appropriate to call them accessories. Or it might be better to call them add-on hardware. It’s probably more correct to call them accessories. You can assume that there will be a wider array."

What about VR? "Miyamoto has talked about this several times. It's not that we’re uninterested. In fact, we have a lot of interest. VR offers the experience of playing in a new way..." However, he seems to give a nonanswer; though I interpret it as not being relevant to what Nintendo is doing and thus not something he's interested to talk about in depth.

Super Mario Run: "...our expectations are big... In terms of the game itself, you can download it and play a certain part of it, and then pay a fixed price and then play it over and over as many times as you want without having to pay anything extra." Does that mean you can get the demo for free, then have the option to pay for the whole thing? Does he literally not know the word demo?

Smartphone synergy: "by releasing our software on the smartphone, it positively impacts our existing hardware and software business."


Some other good questions about long term profitability and Switch's projected sales are not given very detailed answers. Kimi seems very guarded and careful throughout.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Stratos on October 29, 2016, 02:40:20 AM
Will we see the modular controller accessories of forum mockup infamy? Sounds possible: "In terms of attachments to the core part that is the Switch, it may be appropriate to call them accessories. Or it might be better to call them add-on hardware. It’s probably more correct to call them accessories. You can assume that there will be a wider array."


So they are looking to make extra add-on controllers. They make most of their money on hardware sales so this makes sense.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2016, 09:16:06 AM
Not that anyone was concerned about this, but I found some size comparison charts:

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/184/040/fca.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/sizecomplsa8m.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2016, 03:37:06 PM
Will we see the modular controller accessories of forum mockup infamy? Sounds possible: "In terms of attachments to the core part that is the Switch, it may be appropriate to call them accessories. Or it might be better to call them add-on hardware. It’s probably more correct to call them accessories. You can assume that there will be a wider array."


So they are looking to make extra add-on controllers. They make most of their money on hardware sales so this makes sense.

I can't imagine them making more money off hardware sales because of the profit margin.

If a game is budgeted at 30 million they make a profit if they sell a game for $9 when they sell 3.4 million copies. They usually sell games at $49.99 though. Which means they only need to sell about 613k copies. Also, I doubt only but the biggest budgets are going to be 30 million(the average Capcom budget).

With hardware the profit margin is (usually)lower. When you combine R&D cost with building materials they haveto sell a lot of hardware to make a profit.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Khushrenada on November 07, 2016, 06:31:17 PM
Not that anyone was concerned about this, but I found some size comparison charts:

Actually, I kind of was but not that it would be too small but rather that it might be too large. One thing I was pondering over a day after the reveal was the portability aspect of the Switch. I know there were grumblings about the size of the NEW 3DS XL when it came out and how big and heavy it was to fit in pockets. Based on the reveal trailer, I was wondering just how big the controller may be and how easily portable it might be. It doesn't look pocket size and there seems to be no screen protector for it either. Seeing its comparison to the 3DS and Vita shows that it isn't as large as I thought though it is still a bit bigger than both of those systems. I wonder how well it will fit in a pocket or can be carried around. I have feeling one will definitely want to buy protection for it like an tablet or cell phone.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2016, 06:54:47 PM
Broken down the Switch might not be too bad for pockets. I'd carry it in a case though.

We really have to worry, is it being too big for pockets a problem with the Switch or a problem with pockets?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 07, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
My pocket issues with the 3DS XL was not so much with the size of the system but with the scarcity of pocket space one has these days.  I've already got my pockets full with my phone, keys and wallet.  Now back when I had a flip phone I think I could have fit a normal sized 3DS in there but smart phones are pretty big and take up a pocket for themselves.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
If a game is budgeted at 30 million they make a profit if they sell a game for $9 when they sell 3.4 million copies. They usually sell games at $49.99 though. Which means they only need to sell about 613k copies. Also, I doubt only but the biggest budgets are going to be 30 million(the average Capcom budget).

You're assuming they pocket the full $49.99, but that's not true. Going off of this source (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/02/anatomy-of-a-60-dollar-video-game.html), one can estimate that Nintendo, playing the role of Developer, Publisher, AND Console Owner, makes $34 off of a $60 game, or $28.33 off of a $50 game. If you're not the platform owner, and you're just the Developer+Publisher, then you're looking at $27 off a $60 title, or $22.5 off of $50.

If we're looking at a $30 million budget for both development AND marketing, then we're looking at a game that Nintendo needs to sell in excess of 882k units to break even at $60 MSRP, or 1.33 million units at $50 MSRP.

Nintendo has gone on record (https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/160629qa/05.html) that they're hoping that their software can sell 2 million units worldwide, and that the games that outperform expectations make up for the games that fail in the market.

If we imagine that we are looking at a hypothetical "average" 2-million seller from Nintendo priced at $60, and we apply the same assumptions and estimates as above, then said hypothetical game might have a combined development and marketing budget of $68 million.

This sounds like a lot, but it's well known that many AAA titles have cost way more than $100 million to make when all things are accounted for (GTA V is a famous example, estimates hitting the $260 million mark). Also, one rule of thumb I've heard is to imagine that the marketing budget for a game equals the development budget... so whatever you spent to make it, you gotta spend again to sell it.

Given that thinking, almost all the games listed here  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop#cite_note-32)likely cost more to make than the sort of game that Nintendo is aiming to budget for.

Uhhh... I'm pretty sure no one was discussing this, but once I started looking up the numbers this brought to mind I couldn't stop myself! >_< Forgive me!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 08, 2016, 12:14:38 AM
I accounted for the 3 dollars(my source said disc and packaging costs about $3). I basically did the math to the single copy that made it profitable. a profit of a dollar is not great. Obviously they would want to do better. That's not counting distribution costs though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on November 08, 2016, 03:05:29 AM
Thats much smaller than I was expecting
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 08, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
If Nintendo was to show some goodwill, and ask for a much, much smaller percentage of the profits earned from the sell of a new game that would go a long way to help new games come out on the system. 

I think Digital is something all software developers want because they can charge the same price but cut the cost shares needed for retail stores. 

But still I would think the game industry could figure away of dropping the price of games...that would certainly help.  I like Nintendo's idea of trying to keep value in the pricing structure longer...but you should give consumers a break then.  I would rather a game continue to be sold for 29.99-39.99 for the life of the game, and know a day one purchase is just as good as a brand new purchase 8 months from now...then having the price be 59.99 and there is a $20.00 price drop in 6 months. 

I think you would sell more software that way. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on November 09, 2016, 12:25:35 AM
If Nintendo was to show some goodwill, and ask for a much, much smaller percentage of the profits earned from the sell of a new game that would go a long way to help new games come out on the system.

If the article I sourced is true, then removing the retailer and returns from the equation Nintendo's $7 royalty is SMALLER at 18.4% than the typical 30% cut that Digital Appstores take.

I wonder if the royalty percentage is different for a digital game sale? Obviously the retailer's role is gone, but how is that piece of the pie therefore cut up between the remaining players?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Looks like Nvidia plans for a long healthy relationship with Nintendo
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4022322-nvidia-nvda-q3-2017-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single

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I guess you could also say that Nintendo contributed a fair amount to that growth. And over the next – as you know, the Nintendo architecture and the company tends to stick with an architecture for a very long time. And so we've worked with them now for almost two years. Several hundred engineering years have gone into the development of this incredible game console. I really believe when everybody sees it and enjoy it, they're going be amazed by it. It's really like nothing they've ever played with before. And of course, the brand, their franchise and their game content is incredible. And so I think this is a relationship that will likely last two decades and I'm super excited about it.

2 decades... that's 3-4 gens of Nvidia<3Nintendo, or Eninen, (aka N&N)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on November 14, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
The fact that NVidia have been working on it gives me hope that it will be powerful enough and well supported.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 17, 2016, 03:58:18 AM
I'm hyped for the second  reveal. I wonder what games we'll find out about. It had better not be delayed. I need two netflix players.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on November 21, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Bethesda's Todd Howard pretty much confirms Skyrim for Switch.

http://www.glixel.com/interviews/skyrim-creator-todd-howard-talks-switch-vr-and-elder-scrolls-wait-w451761

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What do you think of the Switch, Nintendo's newly announced console that is portable but also hooks up to your TV?
I love it. I got to play it. I will tell you – well, maybe that's an N.D.A. thing. One of the best demos I've ever seen. Probably the best demo I've ever seen. At E3.

Was it a Nintendo game?
I mean the device itself. I think it's really smart what they're doing. We're definitely going to be supporting it. It's the first time we've done something on Nintendo. If you don't count the old NES stuff. Home Alone. Or Where's Waldo?

Can you really bring Skyrim with you on the go?
It's the same game on the TV and on the other screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
Why was Skyrim for the Switch iffy?  It was in the debut video!  I can't think of a better confirmation than that.  It's not like Nintendo would just grab random footage of third party games to pass off as Switch titles.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on November 21, 2016, 09:56:23 PM
Why was Skyrim for the Switch iffy?  It was in the debut video!  I can't think of a better confirmation than that.  It's not like Nintendo would just grab random footage of third party games to pass off as Switch titles.

It's Nintendo. Third party vaporware is very real on Nintendo systems, especially after the Wii U launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on November 21, 2016, 11:42:38 PM
I like the idea of Skyrim on Switch, but I dont think I would buy it. I always play those games with god mode on and you can only do that on PC.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Mop it up on November 22, 2016, 07:21:09 PM
Yeah, it isn't announcements I'm iffy about, it's whether or not those games actually release. That will still take a while to find out.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2016, 04:50:51 AM
I've been watching a lot of youtube Switch Rumor videos lately, and also just videos that discuss the switch.

I frequent the rumor thread, but I have to say the media literacy of the modern generation is alarming(on youtube). I understand that some of the rumors ended up being true, but all information not confirmed by Nintendo is only rumors and speculation. I've heard people take it as complete fact that Switch has 2GB of RAM, or has a certain TFLOP speed. I've seen too many videos lately that talk about uninformed nothing. I wish nvidia would convince Nintendo to announce specs so there isn't this mysterious hyperbole. It's one thing to speculate, and use history or relevant information, it is another thing to treat rumors as truth.

January 12th and 13th  I guess.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: oohhboy on November 30, 2016, 07:50:24 AM
The tech specs doesn't matter all that much to Nintendo and announcing them wouldn't satisfy the rumours. Even post-release and after having the chips X-Rayed, there are still people(Although there are far less today) out there who think MS double stacked the chips or there is some sort of secret sauce in there MS is waiting to unlock in the xBone. Remember how DX 12 was going to save them, MS ditching the Kinect to save a few processor cycles and clawing back RAM a couple MB at a time.

Whatever specs they release won't be enough. No matter how detailed it is, it is going to be misconstrue, twisted and buried under even more BS. With the Internet making everybody think they are an expert with a world of "knowledge" at their finger tips, people just aren't using their critical thinking skills or never had any. Buzzwords like TFLOP, DDR 3, GDDR5, billion Transistors, Clock speed, ARM, AMD, Nvidia, latency, V-NAND, SSD, HDD etc, all noise.

It's not just video games, it got personified by this year's election into an actual human being. Another example is the people who think the Panther Tank is the best tank of WW2 by comparing Raw stats without any context to real life limitations. Recognise it? Console Wars.

Whatever the specs are, all I really want is a new Advanced Wars. That is 1/3 to 1/2 of my demands. The rest is in the "Surprise me" category.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2016, 11:58:57 PM
You make a valid point. When Nintendo was pumping out Perfect Dark,Conkers Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, had an exclusive Resident Evil remake, and upcoming exclusive(at the time) Resident Evil 4 they were still kiddy.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on December 09, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
This is interesting

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on December 13, 2016, 03:40:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LXYd7Fv.jpg)

The time is perfect. 12pm for me, just in time for my lunch break


Yooka Laylee for Wii U CANCELLED!
But, Switch version confirmed.
http://www.playtonicgames.com/yooka-laylee-reptile-rolls-towards-release/

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2016, 06:06:48 AM
It's weird and quite frankly, total bullshit that Playtonic is citing "unforeseen technical issues" as the reason for cancelling the Wii U version when the Kickstarter was launched with Wii U as one of the lead platforms. Everyone has known for years that Wii U wasn't going to make it to 2017, or at best, would drag itself on broken limbs to get there. Kickstarter backers are most of the people who wanted the game on Wii U. Playtonic would be trying sell the Wii U version to practically no one.

I mean, I get it. There's no nice way to spin, "Releasing out game on a dead platform is financially irresponsible." The PR is still just wholly unbelievable.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Shaymin on December 13, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
It'll be interesting to see how the Bloodstained switch is phrased, since it's basically inevitable at this point.

- They're a *2018* game
- If you thought Unity ran like ass on the Wii U, Unreal 4 doesn't run at all (and I highly doubt the team behind Recore and worse, Metroid Prime, are going to get it working)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 13, 2016, 09:22:57 AM
They are making the Wii U backers upgrade and spend more money to back the Switch version.  BOO!!!!!  Let them have any version for free.  You made the mistake.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on December 13, 2016, 10:37:17 AM
It's safe to assume that any indie game announced for Wii U that hasn't released yet will most likely come out for Switch.

They are making the Wii U backers upgrade and spend more money to back the Switch version.  BOO!!!!!  Let them have any version for free.  You made the mistake.

I'm assuming by the language in their press release that Playtonic is just being careful about over-promising as they probably know as much about Switch's digital storefront as we do. Anyway, Playtonic is being upfront about refunds so backers are free to choose any option, including a refund.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: nickmitch on December 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
General question:  Does anyone think this thing will have street pass?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on December 21, 2016, 06:27:52 PM
General question:  Does anyone think this thing will have street pass?

I wish it did, but I don't think it will. That'd be a battery drain, and it'd also be a somewhat strange feature if Nintendo is telling us to pretend this is a "console" first, a "that you can play anywhere" second.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on December 21, 2016, 08:06:00 PM
I really hope it does have streetpass.
Its not something I ever used on the 3DS until I went to PAX last year, but it was a lot of fun
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: oohhboy on December 22, 2016, 01:23:39 AM
I think they will move street pass to mobile so they can easily have micro transactions to fill in spots at your own leisure.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Mop it up on December 22, 2016, 05:54:35 PM
Plus, the NSwitch doesn't look like it would fit into most pockets, so it wouldn't be as easy to carry around for StreetPass purposes.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 23, 2016, 05:16:48 PM
Miitomo + Street Pass would give you something to actually do in Miitomo.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: rygar on December 24, 2016, 09:17:45 AM
I think they will move street pass to mobile so they can easily have micro transactions to fill in spots at your own leisure.

Not knowing the underlying tech, I wondered if this was feasible. The other possibility I wondered about was some kind of wearable technology like the Pokémon Plus but that probably wouldn't work since the user base would be small (I have a hard enough time getting street passes on the 3DS).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on December 24, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
I think streetpass for phones would be too much of a security risk. Phones connecting to eachother like that doesnt seem like something that should happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Khushrenada on January 12, 2017, 02:34:58 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc4d6f5a659c23091654cf79cd22cf2f/tumblr_mfbclrhPa21qckrz8o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2017, 11:03:39 PM
March 3, 2017, $299.99.

No region lock.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
BotW is getting a special edition:

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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild will provide players with a landmark Nintendo Switch experience on the system’s launch day in March, and will be available as a standard edition, Special Edition and Master Edition. The Special Edition includes the game, a Nintendo Switch Sheikah Slate Carrying Case, Sheikah Eye Collectible Coin, Relic of Hyrule: Calamity Ganon Tapestry and Weather-Worn Map, and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Sound Selection CD for a suggested retail price of $99.99. The Master Edition includes all of those items plus a Master Sword of Resurrection figure, and has a suggested retail price of $129.99.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 13, 2017, 12:17:18 AM
Well, that wasn't so hot, unfortunately. Zelda and Mario look fucking amazing, but Mario ain't out til the end of the year, and none of the other launch window games did anything for me, or anything announced at all really, aside from No Mo Heroes 3, but that isn't even started yet and is maybe some kind of arena fighter?

$299.99 with no extras is also a bummer, and I think that might put me just over the edge of not putting in a pre-order. I want to play Zelda something fierce, but I can wait til Mario's out too, I think, unless they're holding back some big non-multiplayer or port titles for a later reveal.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: oohhboy on January 13, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
March 3, 2017, $299.99.

No region lock.
That is one bit of good news.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Box Art

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2BuZtEVIAAtJl4.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Agent-X- on January 13, 2017, 12:26:20 AM
There were some really great games showcased.


Still have no idea what is available at launch besides Zelda.


The presentation as a whole suffered for two main reasons. The first 30 minutes were about the controllers--not one interesting game was shown with those controllers. I was clock watching and getting irritated at the amount of time dedicated to the stupid joycons. The second show killer was the totally awful translator who couldn't keep up and was sighing a lot. Pretty well put a negative tone on some of the best parts of the show.


Brutal honesty: This did not sell me on the Switch at all. Where are the games? What games can I buy at launch? Where are the games??? What games? Where are they? What are they?


I don't give a flying **** about motion controllers. I hate Nintendo's gimmicky controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 12:29:38 AM
Nice boxart on both counts. The Mario Kart 8 Deluxe box looks like a rainbow jizzed on it, but it's the exact opposite of Mario Kart 7's boxart. The colors pop.
BotW is getting a special edition:

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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild will provide players with a landmark Nintendo Switch experience on the system’s launch day in March, and will be available as a standard edition, Special Edition and Master Edition. The Special Edition includes the game, a Nintendo Switch Sheikah Slate Carrying Case, Sheikah Eye Collectible Coin, Relic of Hyrule: Calamity Ganon Tapestry and Weather-Worn Map, and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Sound Selection CD for a suggested retail price of $99.99. The Master Edition includes all of those items plus a Master Sword of Resurrection figure, and has a suggested retail price of $129.99.
And not one of them includes an Amiibo.
(http://i.imgur.com/8924xqf.png)

In any case, that presentation was weak. You had two months, Nintendo. What the **** was the point of all that secrecy? Granted, HD rumble and the updated IR sensor are cool, just hardly worthy of the red-tape. I'm personally okay with the price, but I imagine most people aren't. If Nintendo had better launch titles, the price would be easier to justify.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 12:36:14 AM
Yeah, I think they needed to be a bit more direct in telling the public what is available at launch- they failed to do this, except in the case of Zelda.

The Joy Con are really interesting and I think they were deserving of the focus they received... just, you know, not THAT much focus. That being said, I see the casual appeal of 1 2 Switch, ARMS on the other hand, I want very badly. It looks cool as hell.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
Wait, Mario Kart 8 Port is real? Oh man..... That's highly disappointing.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 12:41:51 AM
Japan Launch games:

Nintendo
- Breath of the Wild
- 1 2 Switch
- Snipperclips

Third Parties
- Dragon Quest Heroes 1+2
- Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence with Power Up Kit
- I am Setsuna
- Puyo Puyo Tetris
- Disgaea 5
- Super Bomberman R
- Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 with Power Up Kit
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 12:45:06 AM
I am Setsuna? Really? I hope that's coming to NA, too.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2017, 12:45:16 AM
It looks like all the RPG craziness of the 3DS is moving to the Switch so I'm thrilled about that.  And Mario and Zelda look awesome.

But I won't buy it at launch.  The only launch game that interests me is Zelda which is going to come out on a system I already own.  So that leaves that shitty rock-paper-scissor game?  I'm going to drop $300 US (which is probably like $400 in my feeble Canadian money) for that?  My feeling is I might as well enjoy Zelda on the Wii U and get the Switch later in the year when Mario comes out.  Maybe I'll get a 3DS style price cut in there too.

Of course if everyone does that, and I don't see a reason not to if you're a Wii U owner, then the system won't sell strong right away and that could bugger up the whole console's future.  I think there's some cool stuff here but how do they get from March until the end of the year?  The big games are fucking HUGE but between them I don't see much and the lesser first party titles look like crap.

They need to really push Zelda in a way where people aren't really aware that it's also a Wii U game.  Twilight Princess on the Cube didn't hurt the Wii version.  But 1-2 Switch ain't Wii Sports.  In fact it looks more in the Wii Music range.  Or maybe not.  What does the game even LOOK like?  I don't think I've ever been more confused by a videogame trailer.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 12:53:54 AM
I am Setsuna? Really? I hope that's coming to NA, too.
Yeah, I need that in my life. Physical copy, please.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 12:55:15 AM
I am Setsuna? Really? I hope that's coming to NA, too.
Yeah, I need that in my life. Physical copy, please.


It is confirmed to come to NA.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 01:08:48 AM
North America Launch Games

Nintendo
- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- 1,2 Switch
- Snipperclips

Third Parties
- Just Dance 2017
- Has Been Heroes
- Super Bomberman R
- Disgaea 5 Complete
- Puyo Puyo Tetris
- Rayman Legends Definitive Edition
- Steep
- Skylanders Imaginators
- I am Setsuna
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 13, 2017, 01:09:37 AM
So poking around for details, trying to convince myself that I should take a bus out through snow-ruined Portland tomorrow to a Gamestop, I'm not coming up with much.

Launch window line-up is bad. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is apparently not going to have any new tracks outside of battle mode. So that's a pass. I really feel like that 1-2 Switch game and/or Springy Sproingers should've come with the console.

I don't really care that much about the online, but the fact that they're charging for it isn't going to help anything.

Looks like I'm waiting for Mario, and I'm getting a bad feeling about this, so there might be a price drop, too!

Also unnerving, why no mention of the virtual console at all? And why bury like five game announcements in a rapid-edit montage trailer at the end?  :confused;
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Stratos on January 13, 2017, 01:13:46 AM
Fire Emblem Warriors! Game of the Year for me there...

Lots of exciting things there. The timeline of releases are still in question, but a lot to look forward too.

Breath of the Wild
Fire Emblem Warriors
Splatoon 2
Mario Odyssey
Skyrim
No More Heroes 3 (maybe we will see a remaster/up-port of 1&2 as well?)
Minecraft
Bomberman
Mario Kart 8 (I'll probably give my copy of the Wii U version to my sister)
FIFA

I'm buying it all and my wife can't stop me!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 01:16:49 AM
No new tracks in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? What the ****?

Springy Sproingers was a missed opportunity.

And yeah, stop burying games in sizzle reels. Suda51 didn't even have any footage to show, but Nintendo marched him up on stage to talk at the audience.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2017, 01:18:35 AM
No Dragon Quest Heroes at launch in North America is a real bummer.  Those were some PS4 exclusives that were looking very enticing to me and I was excited that I could get them on a Nintendo system instead.  Or I guess maybe not.

Controllers are looking to be very expensive.  Like getting a second set on Joycons and the grip for it will cost you another $110!!  Might as well be a Wii U Gamepad at that price and mostly for motion control nonsense that the world lost interest in five years ago.

With the Canadian dollar being so weak right now compared to the US I'm really turned off by the pricing.  It's just going to be so damn expensive here.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 01:19:44 AM
Honestly, Nintendo did not manage to convince third parties on Switch at all. I am very skeptical right now.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 01:31:02 AM
Where are you reading this retrospective of every third party developer? I'm curious.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 01:34:54 AM
Might as well be a Wii U Gamepad at that price and mostly for motion control nonsense that the world lost interest in five years ago.
Are you serious with this? The price has nothing to do with motion controls. That technology is cheap because it's 2017. The Joycon grip is $30. A pair of Joycon Wheels is $15. Nintendo is just price gouging because it can. The only recourse is to not buy into the ecosystem. What are Switch owners supposed to do? Not buy an extra controller? That isn't a realistic expectation.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on January 13, 2017, 01:38:16 AM
I think they made it region free because there is talk of raising tariffs on Chinese made goods.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 01:41:41 AM
I get the impression Nintendo made Switch region free because region locking never made sense to begin with. Additionally, it created a console that can be taken anywhere. Region locking especially doesn't make sense on Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2017, 01:55:34 AM
Might as well be a Wii U Gamepad at that price and mostly for motion control nonsense that the world lost interest in five years ago.
Are you serious with this? The price has nothing to do with motion controls. That technology is cheap because it's 2017. The Joycon grip is $30. A pair of Joycon Wheels is $15. Nintendo is just price gouging because it can. The only recourse is to not buy into the ecosystem. What are Switch owners supposed to do? Not buy an extra controller? That isn't a realistic expectation.

Oh, they're just ripping us off?  I guess that's okay then.

Nintendo showed up detecting ice cubes in the rumble and that's neat and all but you figure after last gen that they would realize that nifty tech is nifty but no one will pay for it.  No one was paying an arm and a leg for glasses free 3D so Nintendo cut the price almost immediately and later came up with the 2DS that stripped the key feature out.  MS charged extra for built in Move and then had to back peddle and strip the feature out to get the price down.  In 2017 novelty controllers don't sell.  No one cares.  Yet Nintendo went on and on at the beginning of the presentation about joy con features for dumb gimmick games that no one will buy and those controllers are expensive as ****.  That's idiotic.

The selling point of the Switch is that it's a portable console.  There that's it.  Rehashed Wii concepts in the joy con are not the selling point so they should strip out unessential features to improve both the price and battery life.  Those controllers should be cheaper and if that means stripping out features then they should do it.  And if the tech is all affordable and they're just ripping us off then they should smarten up and cut that out as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on January 13, 2017, 02:08:14 AM
I'd cut out haptic feedback and have more RAM. But that's me. I'm really sick of touch games, and waggle games. On game systems before Wii I used to be able to plug and play. Now, there is some setup involved, and some space considerations. When it was simpler, it was much easier to get into a game. I barely played Star Fox or Splatoon because of this.

The only thing I like that has been added is off screen play. Off screen play has cut down on inconveniences.

The price is $300. My biggest question is what makes this significantly different than a Wii U? Sure I can take it places, but I'm not too likely to do that.  So, I now would have a system that has a screen, I would barely use because it will be docked all the time. It may or may not be weaker than the competition's system at a higher price. It has 6 year old Sky Rim.  Most of the library are Wii U ports. The newest thing they came up with is an Atari level parlor game. Now, I probably have to pay to play Mario Kart online. How is this better than Wii U?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 02:29:46 AM
What makes it better than Wii U?

Arms.

ARMS.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMS
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (Jan. 12 Live Stream! March 2017 Release)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 13, 2017, 02:35:59 AM
Actually the motion gaming is one of the things that MIGHT pull me back into Nintendo.

This presentation was a slam dunk.  Basically, Nintendo put EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING that was Nintendo into this product. 

1) Great Controllers Check.  You may not like motion controls, and that is OK, you don't even have to use it but it is there for those that want it...and WOW, having a full controller become 2 simple controllers for SNES games or become two full motion controllers is a great idea.

2) Portable Gaming (Nintendo is the only company doing it right.)

3) Party games.  Nintendo is one of the only companies that sees gaming as a local social event.  This is something I deeply miss, and the Wii era of games was great.  I hope Nintendo releases a new Wii Sports Switch game. 

4) Family Friendly Nintendo Styled games:  Look at all the games they showed.  None of them felt like they were games for Children, yet none of them looked like I couldn't play them with my kids.  This is important...the Everyone Demographic is tricky...you don't want a lame kids movie that adults can't watch...same for games.  Nintendo does it right and I appreciate that they are one of the few companies still doing it.

There are of course some negatives, but Nintendo presented the world with a compelling product, with compelling exclusive games, and Nintendo just seems to hit a home run.  Which Nintendo desperately needed.  Also if Nintendo is smart all those 2017 games that people say won't launch will...because Nintendo will want the first year of Switch to prove to third parties there is a market. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 05:19:31 AM
Oh, they're just ripping us off?  I guess that's okay then.
I'm not excusing Nintendo for price gouging. I don't like overpaying regardless of whether I'm aware of it. I'm merely pointing out that you're objectively wrong that motion controls are the reason why the controllers are so expensive. The only reason I bring this up is because you keep implying this is a Nintendo problem by continually bringing up motion controls when this issue is industry-wide. It's easier for hardware manufacturers to make money on peripherals since they're essential. Consumers can't play without an input device.
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Nintendo showed up detecting ice cubes in the rumble and that's neat and all but you figure after last gen that they would realize that nifty tech is nifty but no one will pay for it.
The ice cube segment isn't something I think Nintendo should have spent as much time on. However, rumble in Nintendo controllers has been mediocre for a few generations now. Nintendo introduced the Rumble Pak then never really advanced the technology so I'm glad it's doing something to improve that.
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The selling point of the Switch is that it's a portable console.  There that's it.  Rehashed Wii concepts in the joy con are not the selling point so they should strip out unessential features to improve both the price and battery life.  Those controllers should be cheaper and if that means stripping out features then they should do it.  And if the tech is all affordable and they're just ripping us off then they should smarten up and cut that out as well.
Personally, I don't want to use the Joycon controllers, but I'm willing to admit it's a good solution to one of the biggest problems of handheld gaming: multiplayer. The features aren't inherently expensive though. Nintendo like Sony and Microsoft would rather make say, $50 per controller than $30. They all betting on perceived value. For me, it's even worse. I know I'm overpaying, but I'm going to buy it anyway because third party controllers are generally terrible.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: ThePerm on January 13, 2017, 05:53:17 AM
Nintendo according to most sources are selling controllers at $70

So, much for keeping things simple to keep the costs down on more important components.

A couple of unanswered questions
1. My Nintendo account
2. Possibility of Transfering Wii U stuff over
3. Hard Drive
4. Specs(its nintendo you don't expect this anyhow...at least since Wii, there was a time when specs were printed on the box)
5.What's Ubisoft doing? (maybe tommorow?)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2017, 07:14:21 AM
I'm buying this thing at launch, but I fully expect it to see a price drop in Holiday 2017.

That's also when Nintendo will be able to make a good value proposition for it. By Holiday 2017 they'll have Zelda, Arms, 1 2 Switch, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, plus Mario, Skyrim, and some RPGs. They'll definitely need to drop the price, but with the software lineup looking pretty thin in the early months they'll need to wait until their software library thickens out a bit before a Price Drop can really be effective.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2017, 07:31:15 AM
I just had a great idea I hope somebody makes: a dummy Switch game card that holds extra microSDs so people who buy digitally can keep extra cards handy right in the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 13, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
but with the software lineup looking pretty thin in the early months they'll need to wait until their software library thickens out a bit before a Price Drop can really be effective.

This is what surprised me most. I thought they had learned from their earlier mistakes of having weak launch games? I know having BotW at launch is pretty major and should keep me occupied for quite a while, but I expected more launch games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: lolmonade on January 13, 2017, 09:24:29 AM
So, I feel the opposite of much of the internet chatter in that the presentation of the Switch itself along with the few trailers they showed engaged me enough to keep interest in some of those games.


That said, what really sold me on going to gamestop in an hour here is the Zelda confirmation for launch.  If I can get a preorder down this morning, I'm gonna get the red/blue console with a copy of zelda and sink my teeth into that one.


Biggest disappointment?  Online service is being charged for, AND it's through a damn mobile app instead of through the console itself.  I understand nearly everyone has a mobile phone now, but I don't want to need use of an app for features that have been inherent in the other consoles for two generations now.  The "free" game included each month sounds lackluster as well, unless they make choices truly compelling and integrate online into those titles in a unique and interesting way.  But if they sniff at the same $60/year price tag the others charge?  Count me out for online play.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
Charging for online is standard now.  I don't like that but Nintendo is really just following market trends there.  But the big problem is that Nintendo is the shits at online.  It's one thing when they're messing up something that we get as a free service but the expectations are much higher when it costs money.  "Please understand" won't cut it for a paying customer.

I feel Nintendo had two outs trailing in the ninth and needed to hit a home run but instead hit a ground rule double.  Not bad in that there's a guy on base and you didn't get out but now we're on to the next batter to possible get out and lose the game.  I think the Switch can succeed but needs some luck to get through a really weak launch period.  I think Nintendo needed something more certain.  And while I am excited about a bunch of games off in the future, those won't come out if the console has no future.  That new Square Enix game won't matter if the system sells like crap in the first six months and Square Enix cancels their Switch projects.  I feel like there is a much better chance to succeed here than the Wii U but we could also get a Wii U style instant-flop as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 12:12:47 PM
So apparently the Joy-Con Grip that comes bundled with the console does not allow you to charge the Joy-Cons.

The charging grip will be sold separately for $30.

This is a console that costs $300.

I have no words.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 12:21:20 PM
Why are people so keen on getting multiple Joy-Cons? The system comes with two!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
but with the software lineup looking pretty thin in the early months they'll need to wait until their software library thickens out a bit before a Price Drop can really be effective.

This is what surprised me most. I thought they had learned from their earlier mistakes of having weak launch games? I know having BotW at launch is pretty major and should keep me occupied for quite a while, but I expected more launch games.

It really makes me wonder just how bad the software situation would've been if they hadn't delayed the release!

The presentation suggested that third parties would start filling out, but only down the line. What I'm hoping for is that until Fall 2017 and beyond Nintendo sees additions to their Launch/Spring/Summer schedule from Indies and the like.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 01:16:01 PM
I don't know what people are saying in regards to the Switch having a worse lineup than Wii U. That's absurd.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: lolmonade on January 13, 2017, 01:19:57 PM
I don't know what people are saying in regards to the Switch having a worse lineup than Wii U. That's absurd.


Yeah, maybe i'm "Part of the problem", but for me, Zelda is going to keep me busy for a while. 


On Wii U, Nintendoland was fun, and I really enjoyed NSMBU, but they're both games I didn't get much long session play out of, the kind of meaty gameplay experience I want.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 01:23:47 PM
I don't know what people are saying in regards to the Switch having a worse lineup than Wii U. That's absurd.


At launch, Wii U owners were spoiled with choices in many genres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games#Eighth_generation


Unless you really like RPGs, you're SOL with the current project Switch launch titles.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 02:18:30 PM
At launch, Wii U owners were spoiled with choices in many genres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games#Eighth_generation

Unless you really like RPGs, you're SOL with the current project Switch launch titles.
The only think lacking fro the Switch lineup right now are FPS. I see lots of similarities, otherwise.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 13, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
So apparently the Joy-Con Grip that comes bundled with the console does not allow you to charge the Joy-Cons.

The charging grip will be sold separately for $30.

This is a console that costs $300.

I have no words.

They can be charged without the charging grip, though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
At launch, Wii U owners were spoiled with choices in many genres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games#Eighth_generation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games#Eighth_generation)

Unless you really like RPGs, you're SOL with the current project Switch launch titles.
The only think lacking fro the Switch lineup right now are FPS. I see lots of similarities, otherwise.

Guys, the Switch Lineup for 2017 is sizeable, but right now all I can confirm are FIVE launch day titles, and FOUR more titles coming in March.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/43955/the-nintendo-switch-north-america-launch-lineup-so-far

Obviously that's subject to change, but launch day/month is pretty small for Switch, smaller than both the Wii AND Wii U when I ended up buying a whole SLEW of games both first and third-party.

I wonder if this is a result of the March launch. It could be that all third-party dev cycles are aligned towards Fall launches, so if a console launches in March like the Switch is then third-parties aren't going to jump in with their offerings (assuming the jump in at all) until 6 months later.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
I think it's definitely a matter of the March launch. The other sad thing is that Nintendo have said themselves that they don't sell game in the summer, so the season following will likely be pretty light.

I understand that people want variety at launch, but who buys a slew of full-priced games at launch? That doesn't seem feasible to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Phil on January 13, 2017, 03:56:32 PM
I'm really interested in Zelda, Bomberman, and Skylanders. Looking into Disgaea 5 too.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 13, 2017, 04:10:56 PM
I dunno, the thin launch line-up is giving me a bit of a sinking feeling. Sure, March is off launch cycle for most third-parties, but we're not even seeing the obligatory three-month-late ports of stuff, outside of Steep (which I thought I saw a rumor has already been canceled because it bombed on the other consoles). I get that Bethesda probably didn't want to launch Skyrim right along Zelda, but it's not coming out until the fall. That's way late. And aside from Fifa, were there other western third-party games even mentioned?

I guess to be optimistic you could speculate that Nintendo is holding back for a big E3 blow-out, but that seems, uh, unwise when the actual launch happens three months before that, and their last console was basically dead in the water six months after launch, with the only spark of hope being the debut of new Smash and Kart games. And now we're getting . . . ports of those same games with new entries far out in the future.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 04:33:39 PM
Despite the fact that I am getting one at launch, and that I already see a number of games that I really want to play, I agree that the lineup looks bleak so far. If some developers are holding out because they are still working on games or because they're looking for a general reaction, that should be the one thing they take away.

There's still a lot to love about Switch 2017- it has a lot of powerhouse Nintendo franchises to start off a good first year, but there needs to be some support from third parties too.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 13, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
That reveal presentation was just terrible. It won't sway hardly anyone to buy a Switch that is already invested in a PS4 or XB1.

It was so Japan-centric. They really should have done a completely different presentation for NA or maybe for both NA and Europe. Nintendo of America could have at least focused on things important to "western" gamers, like kick-ass, non-kiddie or odd Japanese-y games. "ARMS" isn't going to move consoles and "1, 2, Switch" looks shallow and potentially embarrassing yet they spent so much time on these games. Nintendo really needs to win-over NA gamers much more than Japan gamers, I think. It's like they took all the hype and good-will gained from the intriguing reveal trailer and let it slip away in an hour long balloon deflate.

So, bad marks for presentation skills. But what about the meat? Also not good news.

The launch line-up is sparse. The online is sketchy (involving a smartphone to use) and soon will cost money. How much? Who knows.
The tech is interesting and they focused on the controllers, a LOT, but rather like the Wii U, they didn't seem to have a showcase game that proved the business case for all the fancy things the controllers can do. And NA gamers are, I hate to say it, no longer interested in "delightful" new experiences that can be facilitated by fancy motion controllers. I love that they have invested in updating the tech for the rumble feature, that they introduced to console gaming in the first place, but what's the game that's going to showcase the feature? Beats me.

The price is too high. It is $50 too high. There is just no two ways about that. They have priced themselves out of "attractive second console purchase" territory. And there is no pack-in game. You MUST buy a game with the console or there is nothing it can do to amuse you right out of the box. No "Face-Raiders" or "AR Cards", no "Wii Sports" or Nintendo Land". Nothing. And games are expensive. Why isn't "1,2, Switch" a pack-in? Because Nintendo is trying to cash-in!

Yes, Nintendo is gouging us. A console priced too high, no pack-in game, online no longer free. And the accessories? VERY expensive. We all want a pro-controller. Well, your old one won't work so pony-up, Pony-Boy and I hope you stayed have gold! And the Joy-Cons are expensive if you want extras for the much-touted local-multiplayer features. And do you want a Joy-Con grip that also charges your controllers? Good! Pay-up!

So, right now, I am really on the fence about the Switch. That's why I have only pre-ordered 2.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: rygar on January 13, 2017, 05:25:04 PM
That reveal presentation was just terrible. It won't sway hardly anyone to buy a Switch that is already invested in a PS4 or XB1.

It was so Japan-centric. They really should have done a completely different presentation for NA or maybe for both NA and Europe. Nintendo of America could have at least focused on things important to "western" gamers, like kick-ass, non-kiddie or odd Japanese-y games. "ARMS" isn't going to move consoles and "1, 2, Switch" looks shallow and potentially embarrassing yet they spent so much time on these games. Nintendo really needs to win-over NA gamers much more than Japan gamers, I think. It's like they took all the hype and good-will gained from the intriguing reveal trailer and let it slip away in an hour long balloon deflate.

So, bad marks for presentation skills. But what about the meat? Also not good news.

The launch line-up is sparse. The online is sketchy (involving a smartphone to use) and soon will cost money. How much? Who knows.
The tech is interesting and they focused on the controllers, a LOT, but rather like the Wii U, they didn't seem to have a showcase game that proved the business case for all the fancy things the controllers can do. And NA gamers are, I hate to say it, no longer interested in "delightful" new experiences that can be facilitated by fancy motion controllers. I love that they have invested in updating the tech for the rumble feature, that they introduced to console gaming in the first place, but what's the game that's going to showcase the feature? Beats me.

The price is too high. It is $50 too high. There is just no two ways about that. They have priced themselves out of "attractive second console purchase" territory. And there is no pack-in game. You MUST buy a game with the console or there is nothing it can do to amuse you right out of the box. No "Face-Raiders" or "AR Cards", no "Wii Sports" or Nintendo Land". Nothing. And games are expensive. Why isn't "1,2, Switch" a pack-in? Because Nintendo is trying to cash-in!

Yes, Nintendo is gouging us. A console priced too high, no pack-in game, online no longer free. And the accessories? VERY expensive. We all want a pro-controller. Well, your old one won't work so pony-up, Pony-Boy and I hope you stayed have gold! And the Joy-Cons are expensive if you want extras for the much-touted local-multiplayer features. And do you want a Joy-Con grip that also charges your controllers? Good! Pay-up!

So, right now, I am really on the fence about the Switch. That's why I have only pre-ordered 2.

I started the night with a lot of enthusiasm, became disappointed as the presentation progressed, and ended up with schadenfreude at the end. At this price (it's essentially $400 for a handheld and $500 for a console with a decent controller), and with this software lineup, I don't see it being successful with the demographics they postured as targeting in that original reveal trailer. I believe in the concept, but not this execution. I'll definitely be buying one eventually, but I see no reason to upgrade my 3DS in the short term at that cost and software lineup, and I certainly won't waste my time trying to persuade friends to buy one (let alone buy anyone one like I did with the 3DS).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 05:51:13 PM
You know, I made a comment about this in the past, when everyone was on their post-initial-teaser-trailer highs, asking who the Switch was being marketed towards/ Everyone ignored me.

But I bring it back up- I understand why people are upset that a second set of controllers is so pricey, but the whole point of the Switch is that it already has 2-player available to people right out of the box. If Nintendo is hoping to sell these to a lot of people, they expect others to have Joy Con as well and be able to enjoy those games along side friends.

Then, of course, you come back to the real question- who is this being marketed towards? Does Nintendo expect everyone to buy a Switch, or are they expecting ever other person to buy a Switch? Even then, the odds are decent that you won't have to buy additional Joy Con. But one-in-three people? Or, the most likely scenario, one-in-four? Then you have a problem with how the Joy Con are priced... for games that require both left and right. It makes me wonder more and more what this console is striving to achieve, especially in its early months- it's clear Nintendo wants people to buy 1 2 Switch! and take it to parties and try to get early adopters to convince others for when holiday rolls around... but that only offers a handful of experiences for people before more Joy Cons need to be utilized to introduce them to other games on the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 05:59:32 PM
Reggie on Metroid and Mother 3

Quote
"So I have nothing to announce--here. But we are aware that there are some key IP that consumers just can't wait for the next true installment in that franchise's legacy. Suffice it to say, we're aware of it, and talk to me in a year and let's look back and see what's happened."
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: rygar on January 13, 2017, 06:03:17 PM
I was hoping with how the trailer was so obviously being marketed to non-Nintendo gaming demographics that they actually had products to sell to them. Maybe they do, but I doubt it so far, and with the price being so high initially, I doubt they'll be able to sell the convenience factor either.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Oedo on January 13, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
I might have missed someone else posting this in the flurry of posts today, but they showed that Switch supports micro-SD cards of (at least) 256 GB during Treehouse Live, and the slot is right there when you open up the kickstand (so no New 3DS, open the back panel nonsense). I also saw that Breath of the Wild is only 13.4 GB on Switch (13.0 GB on Wii U), so that's encouraging... but I guess the issue with storage has always been with regard to big third party games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on January 13, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
Im extremely happy with all of the hardware for the Switch. I cant wait to get my hands on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
So I have two Switch Preorders. One for me, one for my brother. I also tell myself that this is a price-effective way of getting an extra dock and an extra two Joycons!

Also, though this launch lineup is thin, I'm starting to settle on 3 launch day games I'll be buying into and 7 total by the end of March. Personally, I'm going to have plenty to play as long as the battery doesn't give out.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 08:18:57 PM
Also, though this launch lineup is thin, I'm starting to settle on 3 launch day games I'll be buying into and 7 total by the end of March. Personally, I'm going to have plenty to play as long as the battery doesn't give out.
What are you planning on picking up? I've personally heard good things about I am Setsuna, but I'm obviously getting Zelda and probably going to get Bomberman and/or Snipperclips. The latter looks insanely cute.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2017, 09:09:34 PM
Also, though this launch lineup is thin, I'm starting to settle on 3 launch day games I'll be buying into and 7 total by the end of March. Personally, I'm going to have plenty to play as long as the battery doesn't give out.
What are you planning on picking up? I've personally heard good things about I am Setsuna, but I'm obviously getting Zelda and probably going to get Bomberman and/or Snipperclips. The latter looks insanely cute.

I bought a ton of games for both the Wii and Wii U launches, so MAYBE I'm going a bit overboard on all this stuff, but I'm personally eyeing for launch:

Zelda: BotW
Super Bomberman R
Just Dance 2017

and then the rest of March as far as I know:

I am Setsuna
Snipperclips
Has-Been Heroes
Fast RMX

I'm really thinking that Snipperclips will be the game I bust out with my younger cousins and say "Hey, let's solve a couple puzzles together for 20-30 minutes." And then Just Dance 2017 will be the game that I hook up on the big screen and try to get everyone involved over.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Agent-X- on January 13, 2017, 09:41:48 PM
They are totally going to have to justify the price. There's no way around it. It must be a lot closer to Xbox One than to Wii U, huh? Right?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2017, 12:49:21 AM

I posted this on this forum


July 06, 2015, 12:02:48 PM
The Wii U with 4GB of RAM and 25% more in both cpu and gpu would be more than capable of competing in the new "Hybrid Market" I haven't done the hard math but I'm  sure with these specs (and no 2x screen rendering) the NX would be able to do DX11 (can almost do it now), Unity 5, Unreal 4 and CryEngine (4) with no compromises.
From a pricing structure I'm also fairly sure you can pull this off in a tablet for $200 US. Add the HDMI Dongle and Dock for another $30 more and boom, another classic Nintendo Winner!


BOY WAS I WRONG ON THAT PRICE!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Clonester11 on January 14, 2017, 07:53:45 AM
The past few months I was starting to think that Nintendo has finally got it right and has rectified the issues that have plagued it the past few console generations. Boy was I wrong.

Let me start by saying I love the console itself. It's perfect IMO. I love the concept of the console/portable hybrid. But I can't support the system as it stands now.

However, Nintendo has completely dropped the ball on this one. I live in Canada, and every media outlet is roasting the Switch as a "disappointment" and "too expensive". Not good. The more information that comes out about the Switch, the less convinced I am that it will succeed. If I want to put down a lot of money for a good console with a few great games that completely tanked, I have a Wii U for that.

I've heard the argument that they can keep the price high for a few months to maximize profit, then drop the price before the holidays. However, momentum is a tricky thing. Once you lose it, it is hard to get it back. Nintendo had momentum after the initial reveal, but they are quickly losing it. Dedicated fans will buy it, but what about everyone else? Third parties are somewhat supporting it, but that was the case with the Wii U launch as well.

As much as I love the concept, and I'm sure there will be several great games... But a console is an investment, and I'm not so sure it's a wise investment at this point.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 09:01:44 AM

BOY WAS I WRONG ON THAT PRICE!


I mean, you're not totally wrong. We all just failed to account for the stuff they put on the controls. And the fact that they may be trying to gouge the early adopters with ridiculous prices for every little accessory.


Apparently the Joy Con battery life is around 20 hours so I'm not as pissed off over the lack of charging grip on the SKUs.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
I can understand WHY the Joycons are expensive. Each really is a COMPLETE controller, with battery, wireless, HD Rumble, etc. In many ways the switch is a two controller system, which maybe we forgot to account for in terms of price.

It's the Dock that Nintendo is price gouging on accessories for. Dear god.

As for the Switch itself, I still maintain that they probably have room to drop the price later on, and that they probably will be forced to ala the 3DS. I think a big factor for the high price point is the unfavorable foreign exchange rate to the Japanese Yen, and that Nintendo seems desperate to turn a profit lately and they somehow got it in their heads that they might be able to get a small bump to that effect off of the backs of early adopters.

Also I don't think they'll have lots of stock early on anyways (2 million in NA, Japan, PAL-land over all of March), and maybe their software library won't be robust enough at launch to really sustain a mass-market push. It might be more beneficial to drop the price to 250 during the holidays when they have more games to truly interest people, have a better idea what works and doesn't, and can get a momentum boost from Holiday shopping.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: rygar on January 14, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
I think a big factor for the high price point is the unfavorable foreign exchange rate to the Japanese Yen...

I hadn't thought about this angle. How are you factoring in the benefits of the strong Yen as an offset? I'm genuinely interested, not being argumentative.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 14, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
I don't see the Joy Cons as two controllers and there being value in that because odds are the only games that are going to use those tiny NES style controllers will be casual fluff like 1-2 Switch.  The worthwhile games will probably need the full controller.  At the very least if you limit yourself to just using the 2 Joy Cons as your two controllers it just isn't going to cover all bases.  They will only work for certain games.

I really felt like Nintendo needed a really positive response to this event but they didn't get that.  There's too much negativity and for the position they're in they can't have that.  They needed to blow people away.  This isn't as bad as the Wii U debut where I felt like it was immediately the wrong product.  This just needs some work but the flexibility just isn't there for work to be done.  They're vulnerable enough that a high price and weak selection of launch games could just sink this thing instantly.  If this was the follow-up to the Wii I think they would be fine but the follow-up to the Wii U needed to be damn near perfect and this is too flawed.  It will need people to give it a chance but that isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2017, 03:06:24 PM
Everything about the console is too expensive. $299 for the system is too much, $90 for a dock, which they admit is just an AC adapter, USB 3.0 port and USB C connector, is a slap in the face. The dock should be like $20...at MOST. The controller prices are insane. Think of it this way - if the value of two joycons is $90, the dock is $90, then the console is worth $120.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2017, 03:55:06 PM
Anyone care to provide me with the Detailed Summary of everything we know about the Switch?

specs, accessories, games, price, value, etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Clonester11 on January 14, 2017, 04:11:40 PM
There are three things I wanted to see from the Switch full reveal: 1) A reasonable price, 2) Long term third party support, and 3) Good games

1) A reasonable price: Here in Canada, the Xbox 1 is $299. The Switch: $399. Are you kidding me? All the peripherals are expensive too. So I pay $400 for the console, an extra controller is $70 or $80, a large micro SD card is pricy (256 GB $99 off Amazon.ca?), each game is $80 (and Nintendo rarely drops the price on their games). Even Mario Kart 8, which I own for the Wii U and love, is full price. Again, are you kidding me? So I could conceivably paying $700 to $800 after tax for a system with 2 games, a memory card, and an extra controller. Who, apart from dedicated Nintendo fans, will go for that when a 1 TB Xbox 1 sells for $299 and games are discounted more readily?

$250 was the sweet spot. If the system doesn't start out strong out of the gate, consumers will lose interest. And if they do, third parties will not support it...

2) Long Term Third Party Support: The Gamecube was not a huge success, but at least it had some third party support. The Wii? Nothing. The Wii U? A few games in the first year, then nothing. There were a few third party games revealed, but nothing to indicate they are here to stay. The potential is there, but they are killing momentum. If first year sales aren't strong, then goodbye third party support. Then we have Wii U 2.0.

3) Good games:  Nintendo held off a long time to reveal the Switch. Nothing at last year's E3. Then they reveal the first video showing off the console.... I thought the full reveal would blow us away... But I was completely underwhelmed. You've had all this time... Where are the games? Yes, LoZ looks amazing, yes Mario has me piqued. Is a Mario Kart port I already own supposed to get me excited? A couple party games that aren't even bundled with the console? Wow, FIFA is coming. Big deal. If your console is doing well, FIFA shouldn't even be an issue. The Wii U had a FIFA game, then nothing. The only thing that impressed me was the RPG support. But is that it? Are you kidding me? I knew about the console already, I wanted to know about the games? Are they holding back? If so, why? What is Retro working on? Nintendo needed a home run, and they didn't bring it.

And virtual console... What gives? I just want a method where I can buy a library of older games and have that library transfer to other systems. I'm tired of having to re-buy Super Mario World multiple times and having to wait 3 years for a classic game that was released on the Wii virtual console. In the end, I just stopped buying virtual console games. Perhaps they fixed that with the Switch... But we don't know. Why not? They need to fix it. But instead, we are left with more questions than answers.

In the end, the Switch is an amazing piece of hardware. But with everything else... Nintendo completely missed the mark.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 06:18:17 PM
Anyone care to provide me with the Detailed Summary of everything we know about the Switch?

specs, accessories, games, price, value, etc etc etc.


I've updated the OP with more information.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Lemonade on January 14, 2017, 07:01:02 PM
1) A reasonable price: Here in Canada, the Xbox 1 is $299. The Switch: $399. Are you kidding me?

Could be worse. Its $470 here in Australia.

I think we will see more new games at E3.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release)
Post by: Agent-X- on January 14, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
1) A reasonable price: Here in Canada, the Xbox 1 is $299. The Switch: $399. Are you kidding me?

Could be worse. Its $470 here in Australia.

I think we will see more new games at E3.


That's no consolation at all.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2017, 07:48:05 PM
Anyone care to provide me with the Detailed Summary of everything we know about the Switch?

specs, accessories, games, price, value, etc etc etc.


I've updated the OP with more information.

Those wrist strap button add-ons is a nice touch. not enough to bump the price of individual or bundled joy-cons, but it looks much better and easier to use with the added bulk and buttons.

now where are all the featured 3rd party games?
I see a list w/ a few familiar names, but I don't see more than a few big 3rd party franchises.

what's rumored or announced that should be pretty notable, as far as 3rd parties go?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 14, 2017, 08:14:30 PM
There were a lot of game rumors flying around, but not well-supported like many of the (accurate) hardware rumors and few have panned out thus far.

Notable ones that I saw:

-Mario vs Rabbids crossover strategy RPG by Ubisoft (originally rumored to be a launch title but delayed, probably real)

-Beyond Good and Evil 2 (or Zero, rumored to be a timed exclusive by Ubisoft, probably real because the game officially exists, at least)

-Resident Evil 7 from Capcom (they're rumored to be having trouble getting it up to speed on Switch, so this could be a no-go; I would have expected an announcement as it's launching soon)

-Dark Souls Trilogy by From Software (this one seems to be closer to fan speculation than not, wouldn't hold my breath)

-Overwatch from Blizzard (this kicked up recently, but again I suspect this to be more wishful thinking than anything)

-Final Fantasy 6 remake from Square (an odd concept, and I honestly thought that was what Project Octopath was going to be at first, so I'm guessing that's where the rumor came from)

-Supposedly definitely not coming: Mass Effect Andromeda, Red Dead 2

I definitely expected more third-party support announced, even if it was clearly one-off stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider with a Samus costume.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
I want Overwatch ported to Switch but only if I can buy a Gremlin D.Va Amiibo.

Resident Evil 7 would be nice so I don't have to buy a PS4.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 08:29:06 PM
Overwatch would be great but I'm not holding my breath for it.


I really hope Square digs in with the Final Fantasy 7 Reboot.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
For a console that launches in just about 6 weeks, there are far too many questions that have yet to be answered. This leads me to believe that there will be several more Nintendo Directs before launch. At least 3.


While i'm not expecting a specs break down, I expect to at least know how much RAM is in the thing?


Will games need any type of install or are they playing of the cart directly?


Web browser, Netflix Hulu, etc...


Are there Joy-Cons with different features?  Joy-Camera? Dpad?


It's not e3 but there needs to be more explanation?







Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 09:26:33 PM
Something that I just now realized: Ubisoft's Steep requires you always be connected to the internet to play. If that requirement stays then it's not really going to work well with Switch now, is it? I am genuinely interested in seeing how devs will handle games with always-online.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
I imagine developers won't handle the games differently, and you can only play always online games when online. That isn't meant to sound snarky. If you buy a game with an online requirement, you're either connected at least some of the time or you didn't read the box. I think those games still work fine on Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Enner on January 14, 2017, 11:42:57 PM
When it comes to disclosure, Nintendo is running a (speed walking?) marathon when everyone else thought Nintendo ways going to or needed to run a sprint.

I hope we have a Direct or two in the next several weeks, but I wouldn't be too bothered if we don't.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Shaymin on January 15, 2017, 01:02:00 AM
I really hope Square digs in with the Final Fantasy 7 Reboot.

I have the sense that Sony is footing the bill for this one (hence the FF6 remake rumor).

Edit:
I hope we have a Direct or two in the next several weeks, but I wouldn't be too bothered if we don't.

We have one Wednesday (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/43977/fire-emblem-direct-to-air-january-18), but it's a Fire Emblem-specific one.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Wanderlei on January 15, 2017, 07:11:30 AM
I was very optimistic after first teaser trailer released but quite pessimistic after full unveil. I thought having Skyrim might have been tip of iceberg in getting back the shared games but turns out it is the whole iceberg. Its possible they are holding back, but that is bad move because once you lose momentum its hard to retrieve, just ask xbox one. Then with price, if they high are balling now because they know early adopters buy no matter what and leaving room for price-cuts later on. Again can mess up momentum, then sales are slow, third parties get scared off even more, it just snowballs.







Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Ian Sane on January 15, 2017, 04:38:24 PM
I feel like there are two factions within Nintendo at work with the Switch.  The first one seems to have a good idea of what they're doing.  They came up with the hybrid idea and spearheaded essentially all the first party games shown in the presentation after Arms.  Then you have the second group, the one that likely spearheaded the Wii and the Wii U and they want to double down on Wii style motion controls and do price gouging.  Half of the Switch seems so on the ball and the other half is just out-to-lunch.  But I figure this is all a compromise between Nintendo's young blood and the old guard.  The Wii was a big success and it was all about simple games with gimmicky controls and lots of revenue from accessories.  So if you were trying to cling to that past success you would be pushing for titles like 1-2 Switch and Arms and insist in a high mark up to make a healthy profit off of every accessory.

Even the Wii U seemed to have that inconsistent tone.  The whole approach to having the screen controller seemed like an attempt to recapture the Wii formula of focusing on a unique controller.  But it didn't take long for the games to move towards mostly core gamer focused titles and a lot of them didn't even use the screen in a meaningful way.  But then suddenly a very Wii-style game like Star Fox Zero would come out of nowhere and look like a relic for a lost age in comparison and would go over like a fart in church because the audience that would have wanted it are long gone.

So in 2017 games like Breath of the Wild and Xenoblade 2 and Super Mario Odyssey seem like the sort of games that console customers expect but something like 1-2 Switch is like some game from ten years ago snuck its way in, aimed at the cellphone gamers that won't even know of its existence and will never buy a dedicated videogame system ever again.  That feels like a geezer from the Wii years insisting on the type of game he understands and still thinks has selling power being made and getting the first focus in the presentation.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on January 15, 2017, 04:41:42 PM
Regardless of whatever graphic Nintendo puts out, I am Setsuna will be releasing at launch.

I really hope Square digs in with the Final Fantasy 7 Reboot.

I have the sense that Sony is footing the bill for this one (hence the FF6 remake rumor).


Hasn't it been timed exclusivity from the start? The reveal trailer even said "Play it first on PS4".
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Shaymin on January 15, 2017, 05:22:58 PM
First on PS4, then to PC later.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 05:52:35 PM
DId you guys see this?

Immersion's Haptic TouchSense is tech used on the Switch touch screen:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170113005112/en/ (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170113005112/en/)

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/immersion-nintendo-bring-touchsense-tech-to-switch/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/immersion-nintendo-bring-touchsense-tech-to-switch/)

basically feel things on the touch screen. So HD Rumble is only part of it. Haptic Touch is another part of the cost and innovation.

Personally I'm fine wit the price of the system. But I'm still not sold on the cost of the accessories.
seeing how the "haptic" HD rumble is something new, you can make a case for more expensive joy-cons, which translates into a more expensive pro-con, but not that damn expensive. And there is NO justification for the {graphic expression}bent over hole gaping rape that is the price of the dock, but now i need to test this thing out for myself.
Local mutli that isn't split controller is definitely out of the question till big holiday price drop and simo sale.

edit: on a more thorough read-thru, I don't know if this is talking about the touch screen, the HD rumble feedback, or maybe both... guess we gotta wait for more info.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
I read about Touchsense earlier. It's cool and all. However, since Nintendo didn't even bother to mention it, there isn't much to talk about.

And unless HD rumble adds like $30 to $40, one can't even begin to make a case for the Joy-Con/Pro Controller price. The rest of the tech is old and cheap. Did Nintendo even include a magnetometer? I don't recall Nintendo mentioning it (though it appeared in Switch patents, I believe). If not, that's something included in the Wii U Gamepad that was taken out. Otherwise, as previously stated, one need only look to the dock to see the extent of Nintendo's price gouging. There's absolutely no reason to believe that's where Nintendo drew the line and all the other peripherals are fairly priced.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
I don't know what the HD rumble tech cost implement, nor the cost to the license to use it, which is why I said you can begin to make a case for the more expensive joy/pro-cons. But I'm still not down with how expensive they are regardless of what is in them.

$110.00+tax for a complete separate joycon controller is just absurd.
You're gonna have to make friends w/ other people that have a Switch if you want to play local multi, because you will need to BYOS.
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Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
You know, you could always, I dunno, not buy the accessories if you think they're overpriced.

The Switch does come with a dock and two controllers.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 10:01:23 PM
You know, you could always, I dunno, not buy the accessories if you think they're overpriced.

The Switch does come with a dock and two controllers.

At this point in time, I'm not sold on a launch buy-in.
At this point in time, I'm not even considering buying any peripherals, not even for future games that may use them that I know I would probably buy just for the multi-player.
I am aware that 1 (ONE) controller is able to split into 2 smaller ones for local multi
and I am aware that that may suffice for the launch games should I be sold on that launch buy-in.
But knowing that I don't want to afford a 2nd full controller should the situation require/demand/prefer one is sort of a lingering thought at this moment.

maybe it fades once I get some hands on. maybe it fades once I get to see more of games that interest me. maybe none of it matters once launch hype hits. I don't know, but as of right now, I'm not even sold on the launch buy-in pre-order hype train.

I consider myself the resident lapsed gamer, and Nintendo has it's work cut out for it.
I'm intrigued by the tech, but what they have shown so far has not triggered my desire to play.

Had they shown me a price point on a dock where I can buy a few and hook up to multiple TV's around the house completely hassle free, then that would have been a selling point right there.
Honestly, I'm not even sure they are aware of the added value of that feature, and the way they priced it, it might as well not even be an option.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 15, 2017, 10:27:40 PM
Nintendo announced the product...give them time.  Nintendo self corrected on the 3DS because they thought the perceived value was good. 

The Switch Controllers are really cool and I like the fact that for simple games I can have 2 full Switch Controllers covert to either A) 2 Full Nunchuck/Wii remote controllers.  4 SNES controllers.  or 1 Full Functioning Game Controller.  The prices are slightly high, but Give them 4-6 months and it will change.

Also, give Nintendo time to here the complaints about the SNES/NES game available for a month only and then they might change their mind.  UNLESS Nintendo decides to charge only $25 for the service.

I think Nintendo will adjust and correct ship quickly.  The Dock will be repriced.  The controllers probably not.  But I think they need to sell them bundled together with the controller attachment...just a simple single purchase. 
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Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 11:28:26 PM
Nintendo announced the product...give them time.  Nintendo self corrected on the 3DS because they thought the perceived value was good. 

The Switch Controllers are really cool and I like the fact that for simple games I can have 2 full Switch Controllers covert to either A) 2 Full Nunchuck/Wii remote controllers.  4 SNES controllers.  or 1 Full Functioning Game Controller.  The prices are slightly high, but Give them 4-6 months and it will change.

Also, give Nintendo time to here the complaints about the SNES/NES game available for a month only and then they might change their mind.  UNLESS Nintendo decides to charge only $25 for the service.

I think Nintendo will adjust and correct ship quickly.  The Dock will be repriced.  The controllers probably not.  But I think they need to sell them bundled together with the controller attachment...just a simple single purchase. 
Give Nintendo time? No. Absolutely not. A company does not get to fail at launching its last handheld AND console at an acceptable market price and get another pass. That can get right the **** out of my face. You mention Nintendo self-correcting with 3DS. How about not fucking doing that in the first place let alone continually doing so afterwards? I am, of course, referring to Switch peripherals. I think $299.99 is okay though a pack-in game would have been better. $249.99 was the magic number in which fence sitters could probably convince themselves to make the jump. And $199.99 may have kept Switch sold out for the rest of the year.

In any case, I don't know how Nintendo keeps getting this wrong. What makes this especially weird is that Nintendo offers industry-best value on downloadable content. As a software company that primarily makes its profits by publishing games, Nintendo is more than generous with offering content yet strangely stingy with the hardware to play it on.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 15, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Not sure if this is getting any traction with all the news and such but the dock might not be able to support and eGPU, aka the so-called  Supplemental Computing Device since USB 3.0 might not be fast enough. However, if the USB-C on the bottom is 3.1 there may be a Pro Dock with an external GPU capable of scaling the power of the Switch quite a bit.




Even still Nvidia makes it possible since they have designed their SoC with this feature in mind so maybe there is a way to do this over 3.0. If that is the case...it will be a very interesting 18 months
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Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 11:57:25 PM
I think the dock stays the same and Nintendo releases a Switch Pro at some point. I'd give it two to three years.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2017, 12:36:20 AM
Nintendo announced the product...give them time.  Nintendo self corrected on the 3DS because they thought the perceived value was good. 

They were supposed to learn their lesson from the 3DS.  What did Nintendo think was the reason they needed to do the 3DS price cut in the first place?  Do they think that the high price was acceptable but some weird factors beyond their control made it not work out but THIS time it will?  The Switch seems to have the same issues - high price, small lineup of games so how would this not be repeating a past mistake.  Maybe Nintendo thinks Zelda is the difference maker?  I'll admit that the 3DS launch had nothing close to that level (I did a quick Google to remind myself what the 3DS launch lineup was; wow what a pile of ****).  Though with Nintendo I can see them thinking "hey we were able to gouge the early adopters and then cut the price and in the end it didn't matter" and then formulating a strategy to intentionally be too expensive at launch to milk early adopters.

The big problem is that this won't have time for the price to get corrected.  If the Switch is underperforming six months after launch it is already finished.  So I hope that Breath of the Wild is the biggest thing of 2017 because the system's whole future pretty relies on it alone.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 16, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
It is a damn mystery why they crippled the hell out of the Switch in console mode. I might understand shaving a bit off in handheld mode.

Nintendo has been playing the less power game for a while, but this is really fucked up. I am out again until some serious games come out.
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Post by: Sarail on January 16, 2017, 01:11:06 PM
It is a damn mystery why they crippled the hell out of the Switch in console mode. I might understand shaving a bit off in handheld mode.

Nintendo has been playing the less power game for a while, but this is really fucked up. I am out again until some serious games come out.
Crippled it? How so? Was there that much of a reduction in power from previous dev kits to what's getting released in less than two months?
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 16, 2017, 02:20:15 PM
Is there a sensor bar? I thought I read one of the JoyCons  has an IR pointer?
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Post by: Sarail on January 16, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Is there a sensor bar? I thought I read one of the JoyCons  has an IR pointer?
No sensor bar. The right Joy-Con has an IR pointer in the bottom of it.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
Nintendo promised its investors it wouldn't lose money on hardware sales, so the system price point is understandable.  But I dunno why that has to extend to the accessories.  It'll be interesting to see which prices Nintendo brings down first.
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Post by: Kairon on January 16, 2017, 04:12:56 PM
It is a damn mystery why they crippled the hell out of the Switch in console mode. I might understand shaving a bit off in handheld mode.

Nintendo has been playing the less power game for a while, but this is really fucked up. I am out again until some serious games come out.
Crippled it? How so? Was there that much of a reduction in power from previous dev kits to what's getting released in less than two months?

I've been reading some posts elsewhere on the internet where they were testing the Tegra X1 and it suggests that Nintendo actually didn't cripple it. Instead, the thinking is Nintendo may have simply locked the clockrates on the chip at a level where it wasn't going to overheat in the form-factor that the Switch is. I guess you have to take into consideration that general computing devices, like Android, might advertise a higher clockspeed but in reality that's not sustainable due to heat issues with sustained operation, so what Nintendo's done is figured out what clockspeed on the X1 they can guarantee without ever having it change unexpectedly on the game?
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Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on January 16, 2017, 05:33:04 PM
Could they port some GBC games and have cross-compatibility via the Joycon IR sensor? I've been wanting to share my Super Mario Brothers DX high scores for nearly 2 decades but I can't find anyone that has it.


Edit: since the controllers are already $200 each, might as well add this: http://wtop.com/mobile/2017/01/lonely-kissenger-simulates-long-distance-smooch-internet/slide/1/ (http://wtop.com/mobile/2017/01/lonely-kissenger-simulates-long-distance-smooch-internet/slide/1/)
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 16, 2017, 06:34:32 PM
Is there a sensor bar? I thought I read one of the JoyCons  has an IR pointer?
No sensor bar. The right Joy-Con has an IR pointer in the bottom of it.

Do you know what it points at, then? I remember in the presentation they said it could distinguish shapes, is that all?
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Post by: Soren on January 16, 2017, 06:53:15 PM
Do you know what it points at, then?


(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ExwoGbApohQaQAE/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
Can someone forward/reverse gif the part where it measures the distance to his mouth?
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
These 1-2 Switch gifs are giving me a good idea of what the game is like... and also a confirmation that I am not the target audience in any way whatsoever.
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 16, 2017, 08:29:18 PM
Do you know what it points at, then?


(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ExwoGbApohQaQAE/giphy-downsized-large.gif)

That is friggin awesome.

IanSane, I don't mean to be a dick saying this, but to me the target audience is people who are going to play with other people. I know a lot of people would initially look at 1,2 Switch as ridiculous, but once you play it's probably a ton of fun, much like WiiSports, which is why the game should be bundled at no extra charge.
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Post by: Lemonade on January 16, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
and also a confirmation that I am not the target audience in any way whatsoever.

This and I dont know who is. I dont expect 1-2-Switch to sell very well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
and also a confirmation that I am not the target audience in any way whatsoever.

This and I dont know who is. I dont expect 1-2-Switch to sell very well.

It's supposedly a $20 game.
But really, they should just bundle the game in, preloaded from the eshop.
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Post by: Stogi on January 17, 2017, 12:37:43 AM
and also a confirmation that I am not the target audience in any way whatsoever.

This and I dont know who is. I dont expect 1-2-Switch to sell very well.

It's supposedly a $20 game.
But really, they should just bundle the game in, preloaded from the eshop.

That's the only way people will try it.
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Post by: Lemonade on January 17, 2017, 01:29:24 AM
It's supposedly a $20 game.

$70 here in Australia. $10 more than a standard 3DS game.
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Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2017, 01:51:23 AM
It's supposedly a $20 game.

$70 here in Australia. $10 more than a standard 3DS game.

What? Where are you guys getting this? When I look at this on Best Buy here in the States it's still listed as $50.

The $20 game I've heard about, strangely enough, is Snipperclips which is the game I'm MORE excited for in almost all the ways!
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Post by: Lemonade on January 17, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
Snipperclips does look good, but if there is no single player mode, I wont buy it.

Im not sure if this has been posted here yet, but it was actually an indie game from a few years ago.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/01/13/something-odd-going-nintendo-switch-game-snipperclips-already-played-year-half-ago/
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Post by: Stratos on January 17, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
They should bundle 1-2-Switch with the controller packs to encourage people to pony up for the extra controllers.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 17, 2017, 06:47:33 PM
It's "crippled" in console mode because it would be stupid to have the CPU run faster - that would lead to actual performance differences. Having an increased GPU clock simply lets you run at a higher framerate, or have more visual detail, but doesn't (well, shouldn't) change what you can actually *do* in the game.
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Post by: Soren on January 17, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2017, 07:12:57 PM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!

No Bluray either! Netflix will be your phone along with team chat. ;)
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Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!

This thing could've been perfect for Netflix, especially if it supported downloads.  You could download a show in 720p and start streaming 1080p when you get home and dock it.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2017, 07:40:26 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the JoyCon Grip that comes with the system is NOT the same as the Charging Grip that Nintendo is selling separately.

source (https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/16/nintendo-switch-joy-con-charging-grip/)
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Post by: Evan_B on January 17, 2017, 08:43:02 PM
With a battery life of 20 hours, I can't see why people would be too torn up about the lack of charging, especially since there seem to be numerous other ways to charge the battery. But what do I know, people will complain about it anyway.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the JoyCon Grip that comes with the system is NOT the same as the Charging Grip that Nintendo is selling separately.

source (https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/16/nintendo-switch-joy-con-charging-grip/)

I believe it was mentioned, but for $30, I'm assuming it has battery in it that will charge the joycons while attached (unplugged), and not just allow you to charge the joycons while attached and plugged in
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Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2017, 11:49:59 PM
I mean, all you have to do is put the JoyCon back on the switch when you're done. Not too hard. But the charging grip would ensure your JoyCon are ready to go should you need to go portable right away.
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Post by: Soren on January 18, 2017, 12:25:49 AM
I think it's ok to call out Nintendo for bundling an inferior grip on their $300 console. One they apparently have no intention of selling on its own separately. (EDIT: Because it would be absolutely useless)
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Post by: Kairon on January 18, 2017, 12:39:36 AM
I figure the Charging Grip also doubles as a simple Joy-Con charger, even when not in use right? It's self-standing, and the charging plug goes in the top, so you can just stand it with the Joy-Cons attached and plug it in and voila, instant Dual Joy-Con charging dock?
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Post by: Lemonade on January 18, 2017, 04:14:29 AM
I will probably get a Pro Controller at launch, so I dont think those joycons will be coming off very often.
I was going to say that I want a second power adapter too, but I wonder if the USB-C charger for my phone (Lumia 950) would be ok.
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Post by: rygar on January 18, 2017, 08:12:17 AM
I don't think consumers should be criticized for being too negative. The rational response to "aggressive pricing" is to publicly trash a product as loudly as frequently as possible regardless of how much you honestly like it. Nintendo knows they are creating a negative environment and they literally don't care. This is a company that has nickel-and-dining written into its DNA. Unfortunately, constant negativity isn't good for forum reading or fandom in general, so I want to focus on the stuff I like, but ultimately Nintendo is to blame for consumer attitudes.
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Post by: lolmonade on January 18, 2017, 08:38:23 AM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!


Maybe I'm spoiled here in comparison, but I have 4 or 5 pieces of hardware that play Netflix just fine that are already hooked up to TVs or in my pocket.  I'm not concerned if they don't have streaming services at launch.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 18, 2017, 10:07:04 AM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!


Maybe I'm spoiled here in comparison, but I have 4 or 5 pieces of hardware that play Netflix just fine that are already hooked up to TVs or in my pocket.  I'm not concerned if they don't have streaming services at launch.

Yeah, but the problem is those 4 or 5 pieces can do/did Netflix day one out of the box.  It's basically a standard feature that competing products have that the Switch won't initially.  It's also one of those things people would ask about when thinking of buying one.
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Post by: rygar on January 18, 2017, 10:11:25 AM
I think the issue with Netflix is that it could make the Switch purchase more attractive for a parent vis-a-vis a more functional (but more expensive) tablet. As an adult, I specifically want different devices for gaming and audio/visual entertainment, but I would only want to buy my (hypothetical) child one device for both playing games and streaming video.
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Post by: lolmonade on January 18, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!


Maybe I'm spoiled here in comparison, but I have 4 or 5 pieces of hardware that play Netflix just fine that are already hooked up to TVs or in my pocket.  I'm not concerned if they don't have streaming services at launch.

Yeah, but the problem is those 4 or 5 pieces can do/did Netflix day one out of the box.  It's basically a standard feature that competing products have that the Switch won't initially.  It's also one of those things people would ask about when thinking of buying one.


I guess I just question how much of a problem it actually is.  I'm making assumptions that:


1) Most of the initial stock is going to people who are preordering or gamers who want to play Nintendo games first and foremost
2) People who buy the Switch year 1 are "early adopters" who likely will have other means of watching Netflix.
3) Parents of children who would want a Switch wouldn't be getting a Switch to be the child's tablet, if they were concerned about getting a tablet that would just "check all the boxes" of games + netflix.  There are sub $100 options that fit that bill that an uninformed parent would choose over a $300 console.


Agree to disagree if your experience differs, but in my group of peers and even relatives older than me, every tv, phone, tablet, toaster has a netflix app, so the absence of one for the Switch until a yet-to-be-determined date is a non-issue.
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Post by: Soren on January 18, 2017, 11:03:07 AM
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: 1080p 60fps (the 59fps stutter appears to have been fixed)
Splatoon 2: 720p 60fps

Consensus is both games look liked slightly souped up Wii U versions for a console, but look incredible for handheld tech.

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Post by: rygar on January 18, 2017, 11:13:28 AM
Yeah, my experience is different. Very few kids I know have newly purchased smart phones/tablets unless their parents are upper-middle class or richer. The other kids tend to get whatever device the parent upgrades from, usually on the same ecosystem as their parents devices. I just think having Netflix is another inducement, which seems even more necessary because of the relatively high price, but I do get your point about the limited stock/initial purchasers.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 18, 2017, 11:46:33 AM
Switch won't have Netflix at launch. The hits keep on coming!


Maybe I'm spoiled here in comparison, but I have 4 or 5 pieces of hardware that play Netflix just fine that are already hooked up to TVs or in my pocket.  I'm not concerned if they don't have streaming services at launch.

Yeah, but the problem is those 4 or 5 pieces can do/did Netflix day one out of the box.  It's basically a standard feature that competing products have that the Switch won't initially.  It's also one of those things people would ask about when thinking of buying one.


I guess I just question how much of a problem it actually is.  I'm making assumptions that:


1) Most of the initial stock is going to people who are preordering or gamers who want to play Nintendo games first and foremost
2) People who buy the Switch year 1 are "early adopters" who likely will have other means of watching Netflix.
3) Parents of children who would want a Switch wouldn't be getting a Switch to be the child's tablet, if they were concerned about getting a tablet that would just "check all the boxes" of games + netflix.  There are sub $100 options that fit that bill that an uninformed parent would choose over a $300 console.


Agree to disagree if your experience differs, but in my group of peers and even relatives older than me, every tv, phone, tablet, toaster has a netflix app, so the absence of one for the Switch until a yet-to-be-determined date is a non-issue.

Your points are valid in that it's not a deal breaker for who's going to be buying this system out of the gate.  I just worry that having such an obvious mark against it would hurt potential sales.  It's not just about already having a device that has Netflix either.  People (casuals) might not want to carry an extra device if it only has games.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 18, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
As long as it's coming shortly after launch, such as the people who would find it relevant have it, then it being absent at launch can be mitigated. (In Nintendo's eyes, a Netflix app just sucks up time you could be playing Breath of the Unity.)
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Post by: nickmitch on January 18, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
Yeah, I guess it just depends on the timing.
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Post by: Clonester11 on January 18, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
The issue is not so much whether people need Netflix on their Switch, but that 1) People like features added to their technology, not taken away, and 2) People like options. Perhaps you might use Netflix, or perhaps you don't. But at least the option would be there. Especially when it comes to an easy and inexpensive option like steaming services such as Netflix.
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Post by: Stratos on January 18, 2017, 08:20:17 PM
So long as they get it working on the system by the Fall/Holiday season it should not be too much of an issue. If they miss that window it could very well hurt them.
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Post by: Soren on January 19, 2017, 08:03:29 AM
Super Bomberman R is confirmed to be $50.

In related news, I will no longer be purchasing Super Bomberman R at launch.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 19, 2017, 08:27:12 AM
I don't understand the thought process there, unless there's a ton of content we're not aware of. They put out seemingly very similar Bomberman games on the various download services last gen for $15
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Post by: lolmonade on January 19, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
The issue is not so much whether people need Netflix on their Switch, but that 1) People like features added to their technology, not taken away, and 2) People like options. Perhaps you might use Netflix, or perhaps you don't. But at least the option would be there. Especially when it comes to an easy and inexpensive option like steaming services such as Netflix.


I don't disagree that Netflix is desirable to have on the Switch.  My argument is that I doubt that'll be THE reason someone makes a decision not to buy one within year one.
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Post by: lolmonade on January 19, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
Super Bomberman R is confirmed to be $50.

In related news, I will no longer be purchasing Super Bomberman R at launch.


SAD!


I will also be looking to vulture this game for $20 once it doesn't sell well.  The problem is this is the perfect kind of game I would want installed on the hard drive so I don't have to swap cartridges for a few quick matches.


What is with the pricing of these games?  They're just trying to milk their last handful of fans who are starved for Bomberman?
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Post by: nickmitch on January 19, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
I would've bit at $40. :(
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 19, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
I would've bit at $40. :(
In Soviet Nintendo, price bite YOU!
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Post by: Stratos on January 19, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
That is a bit steep for a digital title, or is it getting a physical release?
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Post by: Kairon on January 19, 2017, 02:06:20 PM
That is a bit steep for a digital title, or is it getting a physical release?

Yes, physical release, which I already have preordered!
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Post by: Evan_B on January 19, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Puyo Puyo Tetris is 30 bucks if you download it from the eShop!
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Post by: nickmitch on January 19, 2017, 05:26:12 PM
Puyo Puyo Tetris is 30 bucks if you download it from the eShop!

Sold.

And Bomberman is one of those games I need downloaded.  Pretty much anything with heavy multiplayer.  Maybe I can hope for an eShop discount.
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Post by: Soren on January 19, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Don't forget Binding of Isaac!
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Post by: Lemonade on January 19, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
Puyo Puyo Tetris is 30 bucks if you download it from the eShop!

Im still not sure what to think of that game. I like Tetris, but I dont like the look of Puyo Puyo. But I have never played it before.
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Post by: Adrock on January 19, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
I don't think I can justify Super Bomberman R for more than $30.
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Post by: Kairon on January 19, 2017, 09:53:55 PM
I is sad at the devaluation of Bomberman. Bomberman64 was a game of forever, even competing head-to-head with Mario Kart 64 when I was growing up. If this Bomberman is anywhere near as good I'll be fine having paid full price (minus 20% Best Buy discount of course, so I guess full price for me turns out to be $40?)
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Post by: nickmitch on January 20, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
I don't think the gameplay has evolved to the point of it being a full price franchise.  I mean, most "AAA" titles don't survive long at full price.  We could have an entirely separate thread about the costs of gaming.
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Post by: crashnnburn on January 20, 2017, 11:01:08 AM
A little off topic, but now that the Switch is coming out. Do you guys think Nintendo will lower the price of the WiiU? They can sell the WiiU for $150 with 3 pack in games or something. This can bite them on the ass because it'll eat sales from the Switch, although the Switch is very different compared to the WiiU and it was considered a "third pillar". Also, why didn't Nintendo ever cut the price of the WiiU or did they? I really enjoyed the WiiU and was really waiting for a WiiU 2.0 or HD or something, it has great games, no need to port all of it's library to the Switch just to make the Switch a success. Switch can still be success by itself with it being mobile and all. WiiU concept had so much potential, might it had better hardware people would have bought into it a lot more. Maybe i'm just nostalgic :(

And what the hell is gonna happen to my controllers? I have 4 WiiU pro controllers and 5 nunchuck/wii remotes. I hope the Switch is compatible with them. And also what's gonna happen to games that do utilize the gamepad in conjunction with the tv? There's really no way to port that concept to Switch. And what if some devs want to keep developing in that style? F$*k them? I don't know, all this killing the WiiU not sounding good to me.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 20, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Nintendo might drop the Wii U price, but I think they stopped making them a while ago to build up Switch inventory.  So unless Nintendo/retailers are sitting on huge stocks (which isn't likely) the price might not budge.  Nintendo may more likely buy back inventory it sold to retailers.

The price wasn't cut because the parts never became cheaper.  This has been mentioned on the forums a few times, but the gist of it is Nintendo cheaped out on parts, and people stopped making those parts for better parts, so the economies of scale never picked up.

Nintendo has confirmed to, I think, Kotaku that old controllers and accessories are not gonna be compatible.

Games that utilize the gamepad will die with the Wii U.  I wouldn't worry about the Devs who wanted to keep exploring that concept; there weren't very many of them.
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Post by: lolmonade on January 20, 2017, 11:41:34 AM
A little off topic, but now that the Switch is coming out. Do you guys think Nintendo will lower the price of the WiiU? They can sell the WiiU for $150 with 3 pack in games or something. This can bite them on the ass because it'll eat sales from the Switch, although the Switch is very different compared to the WiiU and it was considered a "third pillar". Also, why didn't Nintendo ever cut the price of the WiiU or did they? I really enjoyed the WiiU and was really waiting for a WiiU 2.0 or HD or something, it has great games, no need to port all of it's library to the Switch just to make the Switch a success. Switch can still be success by itself with it being mobile and all. WiiU concept had so much potential, might it had better hardware people would have bought into it a lot more. Maybe i'm just nostalgic :(

And what the hell is gonna happen to my controllers? I have 4 WiiU pro controllers and 5 nunchuck/wii remotes. I hope the Switch is compatible with them. And also what's gonna happen to games that do utilize the gamepad in conjunction with the tv? There's really no way to port that concept to Switch. And what if some devs want to keep developing in that style? F$*k them? I don't know, all this killing the WiiU not sounding good to me.


I haven't seen Wii U's for sale in stores for a while now.  I think they stopped restocking shelves for months now, I was actually a little surprised because I assumed this past Black Friday was going to be a big Wii U firesale, instead it was barren.  I'd actually expect no price decreases for the console at this point, but you might be able to find Wii U games on clearance if retailers are still sitting on stock they want to clear out for the Switch Games.  Even taking a look at Amazon, any of the "new" consoles have actually gone UP in price, but you might be able to get a WII U as low as $215 if you get a basic white which only has 8 GB of memory.


I think we've seen the death of dual screen play.  Nintendo struggled to come up with a use case beyond putting menus/maps on the screen or Super Mario Maker, and it added another layer of complexity of 3rd parties or indies to consider when making a game.


Nintendo mentioned in a Kotaku article they had no plans of compatibility for prior console controllers/accessories, but left a caveat that they would consider it in the future.  I'd expect it sometime after year 1, or specific cases like if they want to allow the gamecube controller adapter to work with the Switch for Smash players, but I expect I'll be having to pay for a pro controller if I want a more traditional controller for home at/near launch.

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Post by: Evan_B on January 20, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
If there's going to be a Smash 4 port (or if they want to kill Sakurai with Smash 5), I'd hope they would announce some news about it soon- Smash on Switch would be another big seller in year one, and if the GCN adapter is going to be compatible (which, let's face it, it probably will be), they should let people who already own them know as soon as possible so that they don't sell them off. It would be a consumer-friendly gesture, which I imagine seems quite uncharacteristic of Nintendo as of right now.
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Post by: Stratos on January 20, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
Puyo Puyo Tetris is 30 bucks if you download it from the eShop!

Im still not sure what to think of that game. I like Tetris, but I dont like the look of Puyo Puyo. But I have never played it before.


If I interpreted the trailer correctly it looks like you can choose to go all Tetris or all Puyo. Will get it for the Tetris 4-player action. The Puyo compatibility is just gravy for me.


If there's going to be a Smash 4 port (or if they want to kill Sakurai with Smash 5), I'd hope they would announce some news about it soon- Smash on Switch would be another big seller in year one, and if the GCN adapter is going to be compatible (which, let's face it, it probably will be), they should let people who already own them know as soon as possible so that they don't sell them off. It would be a consumer-friendly gesture, which I imagine seems quite uncharacteristic of Nintendo as of right now.


I doubt most owners of the GCN adapter are planing on selling any time soon, even if there is not an announcement. People will want to hold on to it for legacy compatibility, or to use on the PC with mods.
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Post by: Wanderlei on January 21, 2017, 04:57:59 AM
A little off topic, but now that the Switch is coming out. Do you guys think Nintendo will lower the price of the WiiU?


I not know if Nintendo do official price cut but I'd imagine retailer do fire sales to clear selves after Switch launch.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 21, 2017, 09:45:57 AM
If there are any. Rumor is Nintendo asked retailers to send their Wii U stock back.

(Your local Nintendo online store stocks refurbs from that supply and sells them for US$200 or equivalent.)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
If there are any. Rumor is Nintendo asked retailers to send their Wii U stock back.

(Your local Nintendo online store stocks refurbs from that supply and sells them for US$200 or equivalent.)

This makes the most sense.  Stores don't tend to like inventory with low turnover.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2017, 03:25:43 AM
Switch Touch Screen action
https://twitter.com/Dystify/status/823623094266953728
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Post by: azeke on January 24, 2017, 06:59:30 AM
French Amazon is selling Switch + Zelda for 360 Euro (including VAT):

https://www.amazon.fr/Pack-Nintendo-Switch-paire-Joy-Con/dp/B01MZAF5BB

It doesn't work outside of France, but maybe it will work for someone.
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Post by: Clonester11 on January 26, 2017, 08:56:30 PM
Anyone else excited for Yooka-Laylee? I'm pretty pumped for this Banjo-esque platformer. Another game I wish received a bit of love during the Switch reveal. Nonetheless, it's due to release soon.
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Post by: Agent-X- on January 26, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
Anyone else excited for Yooka-Laylee? I'm pretty pumped for this Banjo-esque platformer. Another game I wish received a bit of love during the Switch reveal. Nonetheless, it's due to release soon.


*raises hand*


I'm pretty likely to buy this so long as it doesn't crash and burn. Understandably, they've got to prove it's quality first, and then I'll buy.
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Post by: Lemonade on January 27, 2017, 01:41:23 AM
I wouldnt say Im excited for Yooka Laylee, but I will definitely buy it as soon as the switch version comes out. I was disappointed about the Wii U version getting cancelled.

That touch screen action looks good too.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2017, 02:48:31 AM
Any word on the Marvel Square Enix Games coming to Switch?

actually, I don't think I saw any mention of the SE Marvel game(s) on this site at all.


Is no one excited behind the potential of the MGU? (Marvel Gaming Universe)
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Post by: Soren on January 27, 2017, 08:34:01 AM
It was a trailer with some words and not much else. No platforms have been announced, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it's not coming to Switch until Squeenix say otherwise.
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 27, 2017, 09:48:59 AM
It was a trailer with some words and not much else. No platforms have been announced, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it's not coming to Switch until Squeenix say otherwise.

They said "consoles, pc, and mobile devices". With that wide a net, I'd say it's safe to assume it's coming to the Switch as well.
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Post by: rygar on January 27, 2017, 10:16:48 AM
Any word on the Marvel Square Enix Games coming to Switch?

actually, I don't think I saw any mention of the SE Marvel game(s) on this site at all.


Is no one excited behind the potential of the MGU? (Marvel Gaming Universe)

I was very excited when I saw this, but I'm waiting to see if it will be on a platform I have.
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Post by: Soren on January 27, 2017, 10:22:11 AM
They said "consoles, pc, and mobile devices". With that wide a net, I'd say it's safe to assume it's coming to the Switch as well.


That...no. Again, I'll believe it when I see it.


Oh look, Switch cases in the Breath of the Wild. They look smaller than I thought, unless dude has massive hands.


(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--i5DrMTA1--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/a75h4qmnusikco5mlgxx.jpg)
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Post by: Evan_B on January 27, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
Given Square Enix, Eidos Interactive, and Crystal Dynamics previous history with Nintendo, I'm not holding my breath.

Of the Wild.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 27, 2017, 12:56:35 PM
For all we know about the MGU, it's starting on PS5 and Scorpio. So yeah, we kind of need proof of life for a Switch version.
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 27, 2017, 04:44:44 PM
For all we know about the MGU, it's starting on PS5 and Scorpio. So yeah, we kind of need proof of life for a Switch version.

All games made for the Scorpio also have to playable on the "regular" Xbone and S, so it's not going to be "top-o-the-line" only. And looking at Marvel's TV strategy (ABC, Hulu, Netflix, Freeform) I would assume that they'd want to take the same approach of being all inclusive on the consoles as well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
from what I heard about the MGU games is that it will be Movies, TV and Comics content included.


but no more info till 2018!?


It's fucking January 2017.... why bother mentioning the **** at all if you can't provide ANY sort of detail till 1+ year later?
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Post by: Evan_B on January 28, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
If the Marvel Game Universe is anything like the MCU, it will be the video game equivalent of junk food. So probably a lot of open-world, Assassin's Creed like games.

Luckily, Eidos Interactive are pretty decent developers, so hopefully that won't be the case.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2017, 04:00:23 AM
If the Marvel Game Universe is anything like the MCU, it will be the video game equivalent of junk food. So probably a lot of open-world, Assassin's Creed like games.

Luckily, Eidos Interactive are pretty decent developers, so hopefully that won't be the case.

Are you calling my MCU movies empty calories!? A collection unhealthy snacks that you know aren't good for you, but it just satisfies that sweet tooth craving you weren't aware you had?

Well either way, I'm hoping that the connectivity of properties is much more satisfying in the MGU than it has been in the MCU where it's quite separated up to this point.
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 28, 2017, 01:00:47 PM
Well either way, I'm hoping that the connectivity of properties is much more satisfying in the MGU than it has been in the MCU where it's quite separated up to this point.

What? All of the movies so far have been directly related to one another except for Guardians of the Galaxy, and Dr. Strange and those were related through the Infinity Stones and Thanos. Even The Incredible Hulk was tied into the canon through the Avengers Initiative and that movie was made before there was an MCU. The TV shows are more loosely bound, but even then, the AoS has had the after-effects of the films along with debuting the Theta protocol pre-Age of Ultron, and that one bald agent whose name escapes me saying he was going to catch a boat, and then being on the boat that Captain America and Black Widow are on in Winter Soldier. The Netflix shows constantly refer to "The Event" which is what happened in Avengers 1.


Back to video games, I can't see how they would tie the comics and the movies into one game. There's so much that different, to the point that tying them together would make them a different universe altogether.
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Post by: rygar on January 28, 2017, 01:12:24 PM
Kat Bailey asked the developers of Torment:Tides of Numenera if they had plans on bringing it to the Switch and they literally started laughing. They walked it back a bit by the end and starting talking about fit but "not possible" and "it's not gonna happen on that machine" was the cause for the laughter.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
Well either way, I'm hoping that the connectivity of properties is much more satisfying in the MGU than it has been in the MCU where it's quite separated up to this point.

What? All of the movies so far have been directly related to one another except for Guardians of the Galaxy, and Dr. Strange and those were related through the Infinity Stones and Thanos. Even The Incredible Hulk was tied into the canon through the Avengers Initiative and that movie was made before there was an MCU. The TV shows are more loosely bound, but even then, the AoS has had the after-effects of the films along with debuting the Theta protocol pre-Age of Ultron, and that one bald agent whose name escapes me saying he was going to catch a boat, and then being on the boat that Captain America and Black Widow are on in Winter Soldier. The Netflix shows constantly refer to "The Event" which is what happened in Avengers 1.

that's more like separate but "connected" and not quite as satisfying as the promised #itsallconnected we were sold on when AoS started. Hell, even the TV show actors came out that there were disappointed at the level of one-way "connectedness".
I'll keep it brief, as this ain't the thread for it, but satifsfactory level of connectedness would have seen characters from AoS appear in places that might have made sense in the movies (Helicarrier rescue in AoU), or atleast event in the show(s) referenced in the movies (Inhumans for Sokovia accords) as or even in other shows as well. For SHEILD to not mention a bulletproof black man or a guy that can control people's minds (as it was mentioned on TV and radio) is quite ridiculous...

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Back to video games, I can't see how they would tie the comics and the movies into one game. There's so much that different, to the point that tying them together would make them a different universe altogether.

I'm sure the games incorporating the comics will mean that they have much wider use of characters and events, but will probably use the familiar designs of the current MCU charcters for the characters that currently exist in the MCU. It will be different, but across multiple games, we might have the MCU that we all pictured in our heads before we realized that Sony, Fox & Universal had to bring all their Marvel Toys to the party, and share them with us, for us to use the whole playset.

Kat Bailey asked the developers of Torment:Tides of Numenera if they had plans on bringing it to the Switch and they literally started laughing. They walked it back a bit by the end and starting talking about fit but "not possible" and "it's not gonna happen on that machine" was the cause for the laughter.

Well, that is quite encouraging. I don't know what that game is. But a response on teh level of a spit-take might as well be a baby powdered face slap.
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Post by: rygar on January 28, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
It's actually a little worse. At first he's incredulous that she's even asking.

Kat: ...looking at the Switch at all? Any interest?

Him (Brian Fargo I think): The what? What do you mean?

Kat: The Nintendo Switch?

Him: Oh no, not possible [laughter]
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Post by: TheSevenYearSwitch on January 28, 2017, 06:33:12 PM

that's more like separate but "connected" and not quite as satisfying as the promised #itsallconnected we were sold on when AoS started. Hell, even the TV show actors came out that there were disappointed at the level of one-way "connectedness".
I'll keep it brief, as this ain't the thread for it, but satifsfactory level of connectedness would have seen characters from AoS appear in places that might have made sense in the movies (Helicarrier rescue in AoU), or atleast event in the show(s) referenced in the movies (Inhumans for Sokovia accords) as or even in other shows as well. For SHEILD to not mention a bulletproof black man or a guy that can control people's minds (as it was mentioned on TV and radio) is quite ridiculous...

Ah, okay. I was more concerned that you were saying that the movies weren't truly connected. I love AoS, but the ratings (from what I've read) don't justify them spending the money to have more connectivity. The TV actors of course want to be a part of the movies and get some of that money that RDJ worked out for the main actors, and every TV actor wants to do movies. While I do wish AoS would mention the Defenders, the fact that they're local to New York and SHIELD is global, does make sense, but anyway...


I'm sure the games incorporating the comics will mean that they have much wider use of characters and events, but will probably use the familiar designs of the current MCU charcters for the characters that currently exist in the MCU. It will be different, but across multiple games, we might have the MCU that we all pictured in our heads before we realized that Sony, Fox & Universal had to bring all their Marvel Toys to the party, and share them with us, for us to use the whole playset.

That would be awesome. I'd really love a World War Hulk game and/or Secret Invasion, or both in one game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2017, 12:02:21 PM

that's more like separate but "connected" and not quite as satisfying as the promised #itsallconnected we were sold on when AoS started. Hell, even the TV show actors came out that there were disappointed at the level of one-way "connectedness".
I'll keep it brief, as this ain't the thread for it, but satifsfactory level of connectedness would have seen characters from AoS appear in places that might have made sense in the movies (Helicarrier rescue in AoU), or atleast event in the show(s) referenced in the movies (Inhumans for Sokovia accords) as or even in other shows as well. For SHEILD to not mention a bulletproof black man or a guy that can control people's minds (as it was mentioned on TV and radio) is quite ridiculous...

Ah, okay. I was more concerned that you were saying that the movies weren't truly connected. I love AoS, but the ratings (from what I've read) don't justify them spending the money to have more connectivity. The TV actors of course want to be a part of the movies and get some of that money that RDJ worked out for the main actors, and every TV actor wants to do movies. While I do wish AoS would mention the Defenders, the fact that they're local to New York and SHIELD is global, does make sense, but anyway...

response moved to a different thread:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=43091.msg912741#msg912741 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=43091.msg912741#msg912741)


I'm sure the games incorporating the comics will mean that they have much wider use of characters and events, but will probably use the familiar designs of the current MCU charcters for the characters that currently exist in the MCU. It will be different, but across multiple games, we might have the MCU that we all pictured in our heads before we realized that Sony, Fox & Universal had to bring all their Marvel Toys to the party, and share them with us, for us to use the whole playset.

That would be awesome. I'd really love a World War Hulk game and/or Secret Invasion, or both in one game.

That would be nice. I think the only property Marvel doesn't have access to in videogames is Spider-man though. But that new Spidey game does look pretty good (PS4 exclusive.... :/).

I just hope Switch's 3rd party presence is much better than that Kat Bailey interview implies
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Post by: Lemonade on January 30, 2017, 03:27:56 AM
I really like the look of those cases with stuff on the inside too. Hopefully thats not just a Japan thing
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Post by: Kairon on January 30, 2017, 06:28:16 PM
Does anyone know if there's been any confirmation one way or the other on how many individual Joy-cons can connect to a SINGLE Switch?
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Post by: Discord.RSS on January 30, 2017, 07:07:46 PM
Does anyone know if there's been any confirmation one way or the other on how many individual Joy-cons can connect to a SINGLE Switch?

That'd be interesting to know yeah! At the very least it's four, since you need 2 sets for ARMS local multiplayer and that'd make sense for 4-player Mario Kart as well. Super Bomberman R has an 8-player mode but the article doesn't mention (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2017/01/13/super-bomberman-r-coming-to-nintendo-switch.aspx) whether that's all on one Switch...
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Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2017, 08:49:43 PM
Isn't the limit for bluetooth like 7 devices? unless Nintendo has a work around for that?
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Post by: Kairon on January 30, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
Hmmm, well Just Dance 2017 is reporting 6 players, so maybe you're right about  the 7 device limit.
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Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
Does anyone know if there's been any confirmation one way or the other on how many individual Joy-cons can connect to a SINGLE Switch?
Nintendo's own website (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/family-fun/) is suggesting eight.
Quote from: Nintendo
You can use up to eight controllers with one Nintendo Switch system, so everyone can play.
However, it's unclear if that can be only one kind of controller, a mix between Joy-Con and Pro Controller, or if they connect via different wireless standards.
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Post by: Kairon on January 30, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
Oooh! Things are gonna get... expensive @_@
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Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
Pace yourself, Carmine.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 30, 2017, 10:50:26 PM
They said "consoles, pc, and mobile devices". With that wide a net, I'd say it's safe to assume it's coming to the Switch as well.


That...no. Again, I'll believe it when I see it.


Oh look, Switch cases in the Breath of the Wild. They look smaller than I thought, unless dude has massive hands.


(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--i5DrMTA1--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/a75h4qmnusikco5mlgxx.jpg)

The size surprises me also but I guess it makes sense when the games are small cartridges. The DS and 3DS cases are smaller than disc cases and they are cartridge based. For someone reason, the cases make me think of the PSP or UMD Video. I don't know. Something about them triggers this feeling that they look similar to another kind of case for a different system. I'm a fan of smaller cases so I like this look.
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Post by: Lemonade on January 31, 2017, 12:57:01 AM
A lot of interesting information on this new Switch page
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch/Specifications/Specifications-1176277.html#1


the joycon battery is supposed to be 20 hours. Thats more than I was expecting
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Please note: an update via an internet connection is required to use microSDXC memory cards.
day 1 update, maybe?
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For example, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild can be played for roughly three hours on a single charge.
Thats not too bad
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An internet connection and a Nintendo Account are required to use the News, Nintendo eShop and social network screenshot posting services.
So they are keeping the eShop name

(https://www.nintendo.co.uk/games/oms/nintendo_switch/specs/img/img07_en.jpg)
I wonder what News is exactly

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2017, 01:22:48 AM
Does anyone know if there's been any confirmation one way or the other on how many individual Joy-cons can connect to a SINGLE Switch?
Nintendo's own website (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/family-fun/) is suggesting eight.
Quote from: Nintendo
You can use up to eight controllers with one Nintendo Switch system, so everyone can play.
However, it's unclear if that can be only one kind of controller, a mix between Joy-Con and Pro Controller, or if they connect via different wireless standards.

Is that 8 pairs of joycons?

Hmmm, well Just Dance 2017 is reporting 6 players, so maybe you're right about  the 7 device limit.

I assume each player will have a joycon in each hand for more accurate tracking... right?
so 12-16 joycons allowed under new bluetooth standards? That seems like a lot to keep track of though.
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Post by: Soren on January 31, 2017, 07:25:05 AM
I assume each player will have a joycon in each hand for more accurate tracking... right?
so 12-16 joycons allowed under new bluetooth standards? That seems like a lot to keep track of though.


I'm going to guess and say it's similar to smart phone integration in other console versions, so just one joy con per person.
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Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2017, 12:33:15 PM
I assume each player will have a joycon in each hand for more accurate tracking... right?
so 12-16 joycons allowed under new bluetooth standards? That seems like a lot to keep track of though.


I'm going to guess and say it's similar to smart phone integration in other console versions, so just one joy con per person.

Yeah, I don't think Just Dance had a mode where you could use two Wii Remores per person, so we're probably looking at one Joycon per player here.
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Post by: Discord.RSS on January 31, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Those cases could of course still change for the West. Japan also had smaller cases for GameCube for example. Do like the small format, but I wonder if the average consumer will (unconciously) view them as 'lesser' games than their PS4/Xbox counterparts? Feel like psychologically* one might be inclined to think of smaller things as "these ought to be cheaper", even if it's pretty unrelated.

*=This psychological fact sponsored entirely by speculation.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 31, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
I remember reading something about maps where certain projections cause some countries to look bigger than other.  Part of the point that was being made was that people subconsciously associate size with importance (with Africa being a sticking point, IIRC).

So, I think you may be on to something there.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 01, 2017, 12:36:03 PM
Team 4D, the winners of the U.K. Splatoon competition, had very nice things to say about the Pro Controller after demoing it at a Switch event. They lauded it as one of the most comfortable, light controllers they've ever used. They're probably a bit more competitively oriented in their perspective, but they said the gyro works great on it. As an owner of one Wii U pro controller, I'll probably pick up one pro Switch controller.
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Post by: azeke on February 01, 2017, 12:45:10 PM
Team 4D, the winners of the U.K. Splatoon competitionn, had very nice things to say about the Pro Controller after demoing it at a Switch event.
No **** they did.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 01, 2017, 02:06:36 PM
Well, what surprised me about their comments is that they seemed most excited by the Pro Controller. They said some positive things about handheld mode, mostly that it's great to be able to meet up and play with others, although their handling of the gyro seemed a bit cumbersome. They were extremely positive about the Pro Controller and likely its benefits for Splatoon warfare.
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Post by: Soren on February 02, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
I mean in a competition between Joy-Cons, the Wii U GamePad and a Pro Controller it's easy to see why pro players would choose the regular controller setup.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 02, 2017, 02:40:04 PM
It makes sense to me, the Pro Controller handles more like the GamePad, except it's smaller and lighter which are both good things.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 02, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
And surprising sense it has the HD rumble and NFC support.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 05, 2017, 02:29:42 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-what-kojima-thinks-about-nintendo-switch/1100-6447557/

Kojima is intrigued by the Switch. That doesn't mean he's making games for it, but he might just buy one.
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Post by: Lemonade on February 05, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
This is somewhat unrelated, but I played through PN03 for the first time last night. The ending scene has a click that sounds almost the same as the Switch click. You can hear it with the link below.

PN03 spoiler warning
https://youtu.be/VOfGHJCGW3g?t=181

Thats all, I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
I believe Kojima previously commented on how unique both the Wii Remote and Wii U Gamepad. I don't think he's bringing a game to Switch unless he collaborates with Sakurai or something.
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Post by: Oedo on February 05, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Didn't Kojima really want to make a new Silent Hill game? I could see him and Nintendo both wanting to bring a game like that to Switch, but yeah, I probably wouldn't expect anything for a long time (if at all).

Some other Japanese developers also shared their thoughts on Switch in a recent Famitsu article, and Nintendo Everything provided a translation. (http://nintendoeverything.com/tons-of-japanese-devs-share-thoughts-about-this-months-switch-presentation-system-itself/) Among the highlights:

-A lot of developers are surprised by how affordable the console is (the Japanese price is lower than the North American price by current exchange rates)

-Jiro Ishii, visual novel game director/producer, wants to scare the daylights out of you with HD rumble. He also thinks the technology is perfect for romance-themed visual novels

-Nippon Ichi Software feels there's a lot of demand for their games on handheld devices, and they're looking forward to developing games for the console

-Yoko Taro is distraught that the console and Breath of the Wild are coming out a week after the game he's currently working on (NieR:Automata)

-PlantinumGames is actively developing games for the console

-Kenichiro Takaki wants people to feel the softness using HD rumble. He believes games are all about what "feels good." This man is the Senran Kagura series producer.

-Many developers are hoping that the Switch revitalizes the home console market in Japan
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Post by: Soren on February 05, 2017, 11:16:37 PM
He also thinks the technology [HD Rumble] is perfect for romance-themed visual novels


(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/heroism/images/5/51/Facepalm-Homer-Simpson.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160823063428)
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Post by: ThePerm on February 06, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
I'd imagine Kojima is tied up with Death Stranding. Sony is footing the bill for that one. But when he gets to his next project I can imagine he can do whatever he wants. It really depends on how much money they make on Death Stranding. If they make a whole hell of a lot then they be come a sustainable company. If they don't then I'm sure Sony will keep funding his stuff out of their marketing budget.
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Post by: Discord.RSS on February 06, 2017, 07:11:52 AM
This is somewhat unrelated, but I played through PN03 for the first time last night. The ending scene has a click that sounds almost the same as the Switch click. You can hear it with the link below.

PN03 spoiler warning
https://youtu.be/VOfGHJCGW3g?t=181 (https://youtu.be/VOfGHJCGW3g?t=181)

Thats all, I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.

Wow yeah it's rather uncanny really! That was a cool game too, bit clunky in the control section. Iirc you had to press A every time you wanted to fire a shot right, instead of just holding it down for rapid fire?
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Post by: Chiller on February 06, 2017, 02:42:00 PM
This is somewhat unrelated, but I played through PN03 for the first time last night. The ending scene has a click that sounds almost the same as the Switch click. You can hear it with the link below.

PN03 spoiler warning
https://youtu.be/VOfGHJCGW3g?t=181 (https://youtu.be/VOfGHJCGW3g?t=181)

Thats all, I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.

Wow yeah it's rather uncanny really! That was a cool game too, bit clunky in the control section. Iirc you had to press A every time you wanted to fire a shot right, instead of just holding it down for rapid fire?

The sound when she snaps her fingers?  It's just a canned sound effect.  A lot of sample sets just use the same sounds.  Sound designers have too much to do to worry about creating a unique snapping sound effect, so they just use generic samples.  You've probably heard the same sample a thousand times without paying a thought.  I wouldn't be surprised if the people producing the Switch video just pulled the same sample, and modified / layered it to get what they wanted.  It saves a lot of time.
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Post by: Discord.RSS on February 06, 2017, 07:00:02 PM
The sound when she snaps her fingers?  It's just a canned sound effect.  A lot of sample sets just use the same sounds.  Sound designers have too much to do to worry about creating a unique snapping sound effect, so they just use generic samples.  You've probably heard the same sample a thousand times without paying a thought.  I wouldn't be surprised if the people producing the Switch video just pulled the same sample, and modified / layered it to get what they wanted.  It saves a lot of time.

Maybe just some samplebank yeah, I've had moments like that before. I'm like 99.9999% sure Mission Impossible 2 uses a sample also found in Rollercoaster Tycoon for example. And the trailer for one of those Divergent movies has a firebomb moment in it for which they've used the same sound effect you get when blowing up a plant in Star Fox Adventures haha.
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Post by: Stratos on February 06, 2017, 11:02:20 PM
I love when I hear the gun reload sound from the N64 Goldeneye game in modern films and shows. I know it is coming from a sample bank, but you should really update and diversify your sample bank because it just dates your film in a non-flattering way and pulls people out of the moment.


And there is the always classic Wilhelm Scream, which is used in over 359 movies and TV show episodes. I feel like it is included as more of an inside joke among sound engineers than as a legitimate sound.
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Post by: Lemonade on February 06, 2017, 11:50:00 PM
I dont know if anyone here watches Ashens on youtube, but he had some interesting thoughts about the Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjZMi6qh1lo&t=913s

In movies and TV shows I sometimes hear the same horse sound effects that they used Twilight Princess.
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Post by: Oedo on February 07, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
Mentioned this in another thread, but a pretty extensive TIME interview with Kimishima (http://time.com/4662446/nintendo-president-switch-interview/) went up today. The highlights relating to Switch:

-Nintendo needs to get the console into the hands of a lot of gamers to effectively market it
-They're going to go above and beyond to make sure that we get an online service worth paying for
-A lot of internal discussion went into coming up with what they feel is a reasonable price
-The Switch currently does not support controllers designed for other systems. "Support for certain controllers may be considered for a future update"
-Games from past systems may be re-released for Switch, as either enhanced or original versions (in response to a question about emulating and/or porting Wii U games)
-Regarding the eShop, it will be possible to purchase and play downloaded software at launch
-No Internet browser at launch
-Nintendo is interested in VR and is doing research into it, still thinking about how to make it entertaining for consumers
-Nintendo is "not creating a successor to the 3DS right now." Still thinking about portable systems and how they can continue bringing them out, still thinking "of different ways to continue the portable gaming business"
-They believe Splatoon 2 and Arms have the suitable elements for eSports
-They are considering what "Nintendo-like" eSports can be as part of the business model, and the rewards for the outcome of the battle
-Launch day preorders have nearly reached the maximum available, production is increasing
-Kimishima feels the Switch is about bringing people together

There was a lot of interesting stuff in the interview, but when are they planning to give us detailed information on the online service, the eShop, and (most importantly) Virtual Console? We're less than four weeks away from launch at this point.
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Post by: Phil on February 08, 2017, 01:55:49 PM
Puyo Puyo Tetris releases April 25 in North America and April 28th in Europe. Nintendo UK posted a trailer.

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Post by: Lemonade on February 08, 2017, 08:21:29 PM
I have never played Puyo Puyo before, but after seeing that trailer, it seems to be the same as Mean Bean Machine, which I played recently on Sonic Mega Collection. Maybe I will like it then.
I already love Tetris, so having two games in one could make it more interesting.

Update: I just ordered Puyo Pop on ebay for my N-Gage. It was cheap and it will be here before Puyo Puyo Tetris, so it will be a good chance to try a game in the same series first.
<3 N-Gage.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 08, 2017, 08:29:27 PM
Yes, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine is Puyo Puyo, as was Kirby's Avalanche for SNES.
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Post by: Discord.RSS on February 09, 2017, 09:43:24 AM
I have never played Puyo Puyo before, but after seeing that trailer, it seems to be the same as Mean Bean Machine, which I played recently on Sonic Mega Collection. Maybe I will like it then.
I already love Tetris, so having two games in one could make it more interesting.

Update: I just ordered Puyo Pop on ebay for my N-Gage. It was cheap and it will be here before Puyo Puyo Tetris, so it will be a good chance to try a game in the same series first.
<3 N-Gage.

Believe it or not, I knew no less than 2 people with an N-Gage. The original models too, where you had to remove the battery if you wanted to change gamecarts and hold it like a taco if you wanted to make phonecalls. The Tomb Raider game on it looked pretty crap imo, but I wanna say there was an Elder Scrolls on it or something similar? That one really impressed me, since my Nokia 3310 just had a version of Snake.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 09, 2017, 03:56:30 PM
Sumo Digital talks about porting Snake Pass to Switch and show off some Switch footage. It took about a 7 days to get the game up and running on the Switch. Snake Pass uses Unreal Engine and they say that Nintendo and Unreal are working closely together

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120840159 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120840159)

(http://i.imgur.com/y4CDuGA.png)
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Post by: Lemonade on February 09, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
Not sure if I like the look of Snake Pass. I need to know more about the game structure and what youre supposed to do. The Switch talk was interesting though.

The original models too, where you had to remove the battery if you wanted to change gamecarts and hold it like a taco if you wanted to make phonecalls. The Tomb Raider game on it looked pretty crap imo, but I wanna say there was an Elder Scrolls on it or something similar?

I have a QD model, which is much better. Tomb Raider was great. I played it all the way through in 2015 when I got the N-Gage and it was my first TR game. It really got me into the series and I have played about 6 more games in the series since then.
Elderscrolls Travels Shadowkey is one of the games I really want, even though I hear its not very good. It goes for over $100 on ebay, so I havent bought it just yet.
Puyo Pop will be my 12th game for it and definitely not my last.

Sorry for being off topic, I know that bothers some people.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
Unreal is the engine...Epic Games makes it. So Nintendo would be working with Epic Games. Unreal Tournament 2003 for Wii U confirmed.
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Post by: Soren on February 09, 2017, 11:14:46 PM
Unreal is the engine...Epic Games makes it. So Nintendo would be working with Epic Games. Unreal Tournament 2003 for Wii U confirmed.


This whole post is pure uncut vintage SEO trolling. I love it.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 10, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
This is interesting:
A so-called "definitive list" of upcoming Switch games (http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/definitive-list-of-upcoming-nintendo-switch-games/)

Seems like a lot of games. And I know the Switch is technically regin free but it seems like some of those games on the list might be "Japan only". That is, they'd be hard to play if you didn't read Japanese. And you'd have to import them, they presumably wouldn't be generally available locally (NA/Europe).
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Post by: nickmitch on February 10, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Retro Studio not bringing anything to the Switch confirmed.  Nintendo is doomed.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 10, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
I'm assuming, with the rumored ARMS release date in May, that Nintendo wants to have one of their own titles out every month in the first quarter of the launch year. Which puts us at:

March- Zelda
April- Mario Kart 8
May- ARMS
June- Splatoon 2
July- ?
August- ?
September- ?
October- Maybe Pokemon?
November- Super Mario Odyssey
December- Maybe Xenoblade 2?

There's a big chunk in the middle there where they could port over Smash Bros. or something else that's quick and easy. I would assume they would do something like that, as even if, in their words, "Games don't sell in the summer," they should take the time to buff out the library when they can.
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Post by: Soren on February 10, 2017, 06:53:14 PM
There's a big chunk in the middle there where they could port over Smash Bros. or something else that's quick and easy. I would assume they would do something like that, as even if, in their words, "Games don't sell in the summer," they should take the time to buff out the library when they can.

God I hope not. I actually want to play new games on the Switch.

In other news, looks at this beautiful ass game that's coming to the Switch got-damn...

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Post by: Lemonade on February 10, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
This is interesting:
A so-called "definitive list" of upcoming Switch games (http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/definitive-list-of-upcoming-nintendo-switch-games/)

"definitive" indeed. Monochrono was missing, so I assume others must be too.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 10, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
I'm just super jacked for Unannounced Title 2 which will be releasing along with the original Unannounced Title 1 which was a great game for those who played it. I know a lot of "fans" are upset that Unannounced Title 2 is now going to be an exclusive for the Switch when Unannounced Title 1 didn't even release on the Wii U before but I think it's great and will hopefully sway other gamers to now buy a Switch to play it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 10, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
I wonder if Unannounced Title 2 will be an actual direct sequel, or if will be a weird shoe-in like the US Super Mario Bros. 2 was.
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Post by: Sarail on February 10, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
I wonder if Unannounced Title 2 will be an actual direct sequel, or if will be a weird shoe-in like the US Super Mario Bros. 2 was.
:/

I still long for a Doki Doki Panic sequel starring the Mario crowd once more.
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Post by: Discord.RSS on February 11, 2017, 08:39:39 AM
How likely is it truly that Xenoblade 2 will make a 2017 worldwide release? Even if they do a repeat of Chronicles X, which launched so late in december it was practically the new year already, it seems awful quick no?
What's the dev time on it, Xenoblade X released in April 2015 in Japan, so assuming the December western launch was purely because of localisation, that's still 2.5 years at most if they got started right away.

Maybe I'm overestimating how long it takes to develop these giant HD games, and I suppose Nintendo are adamant about releasing a couple of blockbuster titles in the first year, but I'm skeptical of this timeframe for now.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 11, 2017, 09:57:16 AM
There's a couple ways Xenoblade could release in 2017. I highly doubt it will, and I think it's probably getting bumped to 2018, but Nintendo had the chance to mention it was slated for 2018 and they didn't.

XC2 is obviously running on the XCX engine, which was likely a huge part of developing XCX. Monolith did mention that the side quests for XCX took about a full year to develop, but since that was the basis for the entire game, a narrative-focused title might take less time, especially now that they have an engine and know what the type of game they are making.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 11, 2017, 06:43:48 PM
I'm assuming, with the rumored ARMS release date in May, that Nintendo wants to have one of their own titles out every month in the first quarter of the launch year. Which puts us at:

March- Zelda
April- Mario Kart 8
May- ARMS
June- Splatoon 2
July- ?
August- ?
September- ?
October- Maybe Pokemon?
November- Super Mario Odyssey
December- Maybe Xenoblade 2?

There's a big chunk in the middle there where they could port over Smash Bros. or something else that's quick and easy. I would assume they would do something like that, as even if, in their words, "Games don't sell in the summer," they should take the time to buff out the library when they can.

This is interesting.  I know nobody wants a drought for year 2.  But if Nintendo pulled off the impossible and had a game a month release from Nintendo for the first year it would help calm the fears of a Nintendo drought.  Even ports from the Wii U could be good, if they added some interesting bonuses. 

I could see Nintendo releasing a Super Mario Maker Switch or Legend of Zelda Dungeon maker Switch.  (Actually this could be very cool.  Nintendo could make an overworld map much like the original Zelda or Link to the Past and then the dungeons are all created by fans. 

Smash Bros. Switch should happen, just adding all DLC and perhaps a few classic stages or a new character or a new mode would make it worth it.  I would love Race to the Finish added again, with online players fighting and helping each other it could be cool.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 13, 2017, 03:15:12 AM
Well when Nintendo dries off 3ds all of that support is going to move onto the Switch. The Switch is still getting regular console support like a previous system, but I suspect volume should increase once Nintendo gets more focused.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 13, 2017, 03:32:12 AM
One of the things I'm curious about is how Nintendo is going to position the wave of Switch games that would have otherwise been "3DS sized". They can't lean on low-resolutions to present "premium" handheld experiences with lesser assets, so they're going to have to figure out how to present lower-budget titles alongside titles like Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild. I feel like like lower-priced WiiU titles such as Kirby's Magic Rainbow Ride or Captain Toad isn't quite the same thing, as those were concept games.

So a sub-brand spur? Budget line? New approach to art styles for "full" games like Kid Icarus? The rumored Pokemon Stars will be an interesting test case.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 13, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
It's possible to make smaller scale games. That doesn't mean they have to look bad. Look at the very best indy output that is on xbox one or ps4. That is what you should expect from Nintendo. We'll get more games, but not all will be Zelda BOTW sized.

I don't expect games like New Super Mario Bros, or Mario 3d land style games to disappear. Unless Nintendo just makes those games on phones. Which would defeat the point of consolidating.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 13, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Plus, you have games like Pokemon that are using some pretty high resolution assets already.

Games like Domo Ari-Kirby Mr. Robobobobo can just be made prettier.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 13, 2017, 04:12:26 PM
It's possible to make smaller scale games. That doesn't mean they have to look bad. Look at the very best indy output that is on xbox one or ps4. That is what you should expect from Nintendo. We'll get more games, but not all will be Zelda BOTW sized.

I don't expect games like New Super Mario Bros, or Mario 3d land style games to disappear. Unless Nintendo just makes those games on phones. Which would defeat the point of consolidating.

I'm thinking more specifically 3D games, which ain't exactly indies' forte just yet. Again, looking at Kid Icarus Uprising, I kinda doubt that game would've flown as a WiiU title. Making that at full resolution by itself would significantly up the budget for asset creation, I would think, and change the spec of the game. I'm mainly just curious to see how the dev teams adapt their design priorities, or if there'll be a bifurcation between physical releases and eShop releases, how pricing will be affected, etc. Like, is a Pokemon Stars 3DS up-port going to sit at $50 next to a $60 Mario release? Is a $40 A Link Between Worlds 2 going to sit next to $60 Breath of the Wild?

Nintendo's gotta finesse consumer expectations on this one, part of the challenge and opportunity of the hybrid platform. Folks like us on a message board know how to parse this stuff, but if they want to break out of the 15-30 million consumer base that they've been stuck with outside of the Wii and handheld lines, they've gotta communicate simply and coherently to Average Target Shopper. I guess you could look at Japanese output split between PS4/PS4/Vita, but I imagine Nintendo isn't eager to associate itself with the weird AA Otaku ecosystem.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 13, 2017, 07:13:16 PM
These are all problems I addressed in the past, but again, no one seemed to bother with a proper answer.

...well, okay, that's not entirely true. We've talked a fainbit about how Wii I titles were variably priced from 40 to 60 dollars, I would think that Nintendo would be smart enough to continue that trend.
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Post by: Lemonade on February 13, 2017, 09:00:26 PM
I would be perfectly ok with smaller, cheaper, 3DS like games on Switch, even if they didnt take full advantage of the graphical power.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 13, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
I think the variation in game price points might be a good thing for the Switch.  It would be a good indicator of what kind of content you'd expect (in terms of length and graphical prowess), while keeping cheaper titles from looking like they have less worth.  Like, a $30 box retail game next to $60 titles makes the $30 title look either like a) a bargain or b) crap.  Yes, there's some room in the middle, but the newer a title is, being at a cheaper price can hurt perception.

With Switch, we should see "full price" games ($60, Wii U; $40 3DS), "cheaper" titles ($50; $30), and prices below.  Hell, you can break down the eShop in to $10 tiers.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 13, 2017, 09:50:50 PM
This is how Nintendo should design the eShop: in $10 interval tiers.

"...On your left, you might notice a sea of garbage worth less than $10! And on your right, you can see the developers who have placed themselves at a higher price point to imply that their content took conscious thought and effort..."
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 13, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
"...On your left, you might notice a sea of garbage worth less than $10! And on your right, you can see the developers who have placed themselves at a higher price point to imply that their content took conscious thought and effort..."

And then (https://twitter.com/CannonKCCO/status/809542429565194245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) watch people (https://twitter.com/ovenstonee/status/809725462272495616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) complain about (https://twitter.com/WhateverJoel/status/809720804762128384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) the price... (https://twitter.com/angelababicz/status/809577378049572864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Lemonade on February 14, 2017, 03:18:07 AM
Thats the problem with mobile games, everyone expects them to be free. The last few years when they have become free is what turned them to trash.
I would happily pay $10 for Mario Run if I had a device that it worked on.

I will stick to paying for high quality games on consoles.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Khushrenada on February 14, 2017, 03:52:04 AM
Thats the problem with mobile games, everyone expects them to be free. The last few years when they have become free is what turned them to trash.
I would happily pay $10 for Mario Run if I had a device that it worked on.

I will stick to paying for high quality games on consoles.

It's not just mobile gamers that expect cheap games.

Lest we forget...


And yet Steam, Microsoft and Sony all manage to thrive and far exceed Nintendo when it comes to turning a profit precisely because they are not greedy. There is nothing naive in thinking companies should treat their customers fairly and offer them great value for money. It's what sells products.

How about this for a simple comparison, google the Playstation winter sale, then google the Xbox winter sale, then google the Nintendo winter sale. Have a good look at them and see if you can spot the odd one out. Or better yet, take a $100 and see how far that could get you on the PSN store, Xbox store and the eshop. Again, see if you can spot the odd one out.

How dare Nintendo tries to charge more for their product? It's like feel there is some value to it that people will pay for.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Lemonade on February 14, 2017, 04:09:44 AM
I cant find anything specific at the moment, but I remember Iwata talking about game pricing a few times over the years.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 14, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
On the topic of handheld-like experiences appearing on Switch, Aonuma talked about the possibility of 2D Zelda appearing on Switch in a new interview:

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“The dev pace is not really dependent on how many people are on a team, so combining them would not necessarily expedite the development pace,” says Aonuma. “The 3DS team and the Wii U team have different approaches to game development, so I don’t necessarily want to combine them and have them think together, but rather have each think about what they can bring to Nintendo Switch from their own perspective.”

Aonuma then offered additional clarification, saying “The handheld development team will not be phased out because of Nintendo Switch. Switch will allow the users to bring their home console on the go, but this doesn't mean handheld game development like Nintendo 3DS will be discontinued.”

When we asked point-blank if there was a possibility that the 3DS Zelda teams were working on a new game for the Nintendo Switch, Aonuma said, “Yes, there is definitely a possibility.”

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“There are definitely good things about the 2D world and the playstyles of the 2D world,” Aonuma says. “There are a lot of fans who enjoy that style. This Nintendo Switch style, which is the evolved style of gameplay is not necessarily… I want you to think of it more as an evolved style of 2D style. For the 3DS team, I am trying to make them think in a more evolved 2D-style approach.”

If a 2D Zelda team is working on something, I find it kind of hard to envision it being a 3DS game (even with Nintendo's insistence that the 3DS isn't going anywhere). It would be cool if we got a new mainline 2D Zelda on Switch not too long after Breath of the Wild. A co-op 2D Zelda that makes use of the Switch's unique hardware could be really interesting too.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/02/14/a-2d-zelda-on-the-switch-is-definitely-a-possibility.aspx
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: ThePerm on February 14, 2017, 05:53:19 PM
Yes bring back glorious 4 swords. Also, does 4 swords have to be 4 links? They could have differentiated the series if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on February 15, 2017, 01:49:53 AM
Agreed. There are lots of great characters they haven't used. How about this: Legend of Zelda: Postmaster General. Organize and deliver mail, avoid bears and marauders, get signatures with the Switch touchscreen. Plunder the undeliverables. Uncover a secret correspondence between King Daphnes and Gannondorf that will rock the political world of Hyrule.

Legend of Zelda: Postmaster General

Willst thou get rich

or die deliverin'?

COMING MARCH 2022
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Lemonade on February 16, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
This is something I have been wondering about recently. Will the Switch have single card download play like the DS and 3DS? Or will games have a free multiplayer download version on the eShop? I liked that solution on new Mario Party for 3DS.

Download play was one of the best features of DS and 3DS, it would be annoying if every Switch game was multi card play only.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2017, 03:33:12 AM
Apparently Steep runs on the same engine as the assassins creed games. So, we may find out about some unannounced Assassin's Creeds games when they are announced on other systems.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 16, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
This is something I have been wondering about recently. Will the Switch have single card download play like the DS and 3DS? Or will games have a free multiplayer download version on the eShop?
I've been wondering the same thing, but I haven't seen anything about it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
I read somewhere that it does support this, surely it depends on the game though.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: nickmitch on February 16, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
Isn't it a function of the system?  Like, download play is an app you launch from the 3DS screen, isn't it?

I might be inclined to think it doesn't.  Nintendo might've axed the feature assuming people are satisfied with the multiplayer out of the box pitch.  You don't need to carts; you don't even need two systems.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: azeke on February 16, 2017, 10:14:51 PM
Isn't it a function of the system?  Like, download play is an app you launch from the 3DS screen, isn't it?
Or they can use dedicated free eShop apps for each game that support that feature.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 16, 2017, 10:43:18 PM
This is something I have been wondering about recently. Will the Switch have single card download play like the DS and 3DS? Or will games have a free multiplayer download version on the eShop? I liked that solution on new Mario Party for 3DS.

Download play was one of the best features of DS and 3DS, it would be annoying if every Switch game was multi card play only.

GameSpot asked Reggie about it in an interview last month. First he says that it would come down to the developer and the type of content they want to create (which makes it sound like it is possible), but then he ends by saying "the ability to do that [share one card among multiple devices] with the Nintendo Switch, we haven't commented publicly on, and I'm not going to do it here."


So, yeah, who the heck knows. I would place my bet on it supporting something like download play, as I can't see any real downside to it. Maybe it's just another part of the big list of stuff they're waiting to announce three days before launch (for some reason).
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 16, 2017, 11:13:01 PM
On a separate note, there's some text in that Switch unboxing video from today which seems to indicates that eShop purchases will be tied to your Nintendo Account (http://nintendoeverything.com/reconfirmed-eshop-purchases-on-switch-are-tied-to-nintendo-accounts/) and not the console. I'd wait until Nintendo directly spells it out in no uncertain terms before truly celebrating, but that's certainly encouraging.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Lemonade on February 16, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Switch unboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MijBVTf85Pc

or for original source
http://www.floko.tv/video/1107255-exclusive-worlds-first-nintendo-switch-unboxing
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: ThePerm on February 17, 2017, 02:56:44 AM
It'd be awesome if you could download a patch and play your wii u games. Or just download the Switch version. I know we're switching from AMD to nvidia. But on PC that's not even a big deal.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on February 17, 2017, 02:35:13 PM
EDIT: Never mind.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 17, 2017, 04:02:46 PM
On a separate note, there's some text in that Switch unboxing video from today which seems to indicates that eShop purchases will be tied to your Nintendo Account (http://nintendoeverything.com/reconfirmed-eshop-purchases-on-switch-are-tied-to-nintendo-accounts/) and not the console. I'd wait until Nintendo directly spells it out in no uncertain terms before truly celebrating, but that's certainly encouraging.
There's always so much misinformation about this.

Technically, games purchased on Wii U and 3DS are tied to your account, it's just that the account is tied to one system. But that account is transferable through the user, or also through Nintendo if your system is lost or stolen. Even the Wii worked this way, and had an account that could be transferred through Nintendo. As was noted in the comments of that article, from the wording seen here, this doesn't necessarily indicate that things will be any different than they are now. To me, it sounds like your account may be easier to transfer from one system to another, but it will still be tied down to and accessible on just one system at a time.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 17, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
On a separate note, there's some text in that Switch unboxing video from today which seems to indicates that eShop purchases will be tied to your Nintendo Account (http://nintendoeverything.com/reconfirmed-eshop-purchases-on-switch-are-tied-to-nintendo-accounts/) and not the console. I'd wait until Nintendo directly spells it out in no uncertain terms before truly celebrating, but that's certainly encouraging.
There's always so much misinformation about this.

Technically, games purchased on Wii U and 3DS are tied to your account, it's just that the account is tied to one system. But that account is transferable through the user, or also through Nintendo if your system is lost or stolen. Even the Wii worked this way, and had an account that could be transferred through Nintendo. As was noted in the comments of that article, from the wording seen here, this doesn't necessarily indicate that things will be any different than they are now. To me, it sounds like your account may be easier to transfer from one system to another, but it will still be tied down to and accessible on just one system at a time.

While Nintendo can transfer accounts and purchases from lost or stolen systems right now, ultimately, it's still completely at their discretion. Nintendo of America has become more lenient in the last little while, but it wasn't long ago that getting your account and purchases transferred from a lost or stolen system was a hassle. More importantly, Nintendo will still outright refuse to do this in some instances. I remembering seeing a while ago that Matt Walker lost his 3DS and, in Japan, Nintendo told him there was nothing they could do about his account and his purchases. Other NWR staffers in Japan said that this is basically how things go there. Account or not, in the end, those purchases were effectively tied to his system, and it's the same for everybody else as long as the only guaranteed way to transfer your purchases is to have the system in your possession. If Nintendo has made it that so that you can freely move your purchases from one system to another without needing your current system (or Nintendo's assistance if you don't have it), as this message suggests, that is a fundamental change from how they currently handle digital purchases and truly makes it so that purchases are tied to an account and not a system.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
It's already an account system, all Nintendo really has to do is set up a mechanism for users to authorize and deauthorize hardware to use that account on their own without having to call Nintendo customer support to do it for them. The back end is already in place, and this would make things easier for the customer support reps, so I really don't understand why they haven't done that already.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 17, 2017, 09:12:32 PM
Nothing about this message suggests you can unlink your account from your system without having the system in your possession. The term "re-link" could even mean you have to have the same system. People are jumping to a lot of conclusions from this message, but it really doesn't say much and a lot remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 17, 2017, 09:58:06 PM
Sure it does. Your purchases are tied to your NNID. The message suggests that the Switch pulls your purchase history from your Nintendo Account, which pulls it from whichever NNID is linked to it. You can change which Nintendo Account your NNID is linked to in a matter of seconds, so this suggests that moving your purchases from one console to another is as simple as creating a new Nintendo Account on a second Switch and linking your NNID to that new Nintendo Account instead.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on February 17, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
I take back my earlier message and agree with what Mop and several others on Twitter (namely Chris Kohler) have said. The wording above does not suggest anything other than the current status quo. Unless I can transfer my account and purchases from one Switch to another without having to go through Nintendo Customer Service nothing has changed. And I hope Nintendo is clear about their messaging because it could mean the difference between me buying digital content or completely abstaining from it.


EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/wMkqCTL.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lnhe9NT.png)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 17, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Sure it does. Your purchases are tied to your NNID. The message suggests that the Switch pulls your purchase history from your Nintendo Account, which pulls it from whichever NNID is linked to it. You can change which Nintendo Account your NNID is linked to in a matter of seconds, so this suggests that moving your purchases from one console to another is as simple as creating a new Nintendo Account on a second Switch and linking your NNID to that new Nintendo Account instead.
My point about the Wii U and 3DS using an account is to show that an account with your purchases already exists, yet you can't do these things you're suggesting. Again, you're making assumptions, this doesn't actually say any of this. And since this is Nintendo we're talking about, there's no reason to assume any of this will be the case, ha ha.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 17, 2017, 11:35:57 PM
The message says your Nintendo Account contains your purchase history and that you can redownload any software or DLC purchased using that account, your Nintendo Account's purchase history is based on whichever NNID is linked to it, and you can freely link and unlink your NNID to the Nintendo Account of your choosing. At the moment, as far as I know, these are all facts (if anyone can point me to information suggesting otherwise, please do!).

The only assumptions I'm making is that Nintendo is not going to make a last minute announcement saying that you have to lock or merge your NNID to one Nintendo Account, and/or that your Nintendo Account will start tracking your Switch software purchases independently of your NNID. Those announcements, among others, are still on the table (which is why I said I'm not taking this as 100% given yet), but I don't think I'm making any assumptions on how this would work if the current slate of facts holds true. Basically, Nintendo would have to go out of their way to screw this up now.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 18, 2017, 12:30:19 AM
you can freely link and unlink your NNID to the Nintendo Account of your choosing.
I'm sorry, but this is the part of your interpretation that I disagree with. This message is specifically popping up when the user chooses to format all data on the console. Therefore, all that is stated is that you can re-link your account to this specific console. As in, the console where it was already contained. Nowhere does it state that you can freely unlink it any time you want without using the console, nor does it state that you can go and link it to another console on your own. These is all things being assumed by people. And while I agree they are reasonable assumptions, I once again say that this is Nintendo we're talking about. Nothing like this is a given.

Also, it does not use the term "NNID" at all.

That said, it doesn't really matter anyway since I do think Nintendo will have a better account system this time. I still don't see it being on par with PS4 and XBONE, but better that Wii U and 3DS. I just disagree that this specific message is saying a lot of the things people claim. I don't see it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Evan_B on February 18, 2017, 01:07:43 AM
Real talk, here.

I watched a video that pretty much summed up my feelings about the Switch, even with two weeks remaining before the thing drops. I have been extremely fortunate in that I am able to buy a Switch the day it comes out with absolutely no financial commitment on my part- that's very awesome, and it has given me a great deal of anticipation for the hardware. However, the real reason I am excited about my Switch purchase is Zelda, and I could have played that game on my Wii U. Sure, I would have to deal with the argument of its performance being slightly hindered on the older console, but keep in mind, I was fully intending on Zelda being the last video game I would play for the next several years, and while my unbridled excitement of ARMS might contrast with that somewhat, the main reason I even anticipate future Switch games is because, as previously mentioned, I have one without making any personal financial investment. Prior to that, I had no intention of buying another console, let alone another Nintendo console.

With the strained relationship that Nintendo has with third parties both in and outside of Japan, there is no guarantee that there will be a substantial console. The launch year looks decent so far, but it isn't anything the Wii U couldn't do. And then, there's the "announced" third party games, which are... bland? Non-existent? I made a post about six months ago wondering where the market for the Switch existed. As it turns out, it's just cramming in a bunch of "technology" for the sake of appealing to literally every audience. Kind of like, well, I dunno, the Wii U? Except now you can play it on the go and potentially with your friends. I understand the public marketing aspect of the Switch, but unless it receives substantial titles, it is doomed to fail in both markets.

What the Switch needed were confirmations of its third party titles now. I get that they need to roll out the console, but it would have been nice to have a solid date for SMT HD and Octopath Traveler, and even the next No More Heroes entry, around this time in order to give customers a sense that there are things coming. Nintendo's first year lineup looks passable, but where could they possibly go afterwards? I'm not entirely sure, which is why I strongly believe Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will be pushed to 2018 in fear of this, and in the case that, should the console end up under-performing, Nintendo will have something to fall back upon as their third party support dries up, as well. If the Switch doesn't sell in Japan like third parties are hoping it will, it's very possible they will abandon it. Hell, only western indies are going to support it, too. Let's not kid ourselves.

This is disheartening, but ultimately, a reality we may be facing in the opening months of the Switch launch. We'll have to keep our ears open on this, but the signs of failure were already showing themselves even at this point. Call me a hater, I'm still getting it day one.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: MagicCow64 on February 18, 2017, 01:44:57 AM
As for the account kvetching, I've never really understood the intense feelings about it. Like, do people want to be able to log into their friends' consoles to download their games and play them there? Is that how it works on PS4/Xbone? I don't really get how that would work, or why a company would let you do that without de-linking the original licenses first. Plus it would take a long time to actually download and play a full game in a social setting.

Is it to have your games on two different systems that you own? I can see that being a more legitimate use case, but again, you could just give the other console to a friend or whatever and they would get the software for free.

The main hangup seems to be that you have to **** around calling Nintendo customer service if you want to transfer your account/library to a new system for whatever reason, which is not something most people are going to do at any point.

A real sore point, having to repurchase eShop/VC titles over again, is purely a policy problem.

As for Evan_B's perspective, I mean, I guess I feel ya? The industry is only getting shittier, and Nintendo is slowly but surely bending to that gravity with cell phone games, season passes, paid online and whathaveyou. They put up a good fight, but the world is what it is. The Switch is arguably overdesigned, but I'm viewing it primarily as the home for Nintendo games for the next 4-5 years, nothing more, nothing less. (Although maybe less, depending on how far down the slippery monetization slope they slide.) Nintendo is practically an endangered genre preserve at this point. Having pretty much played every older game I'm interested in, if independent-platform Nintendo flames out, I'm probably done with the hobby outside of the odd PC release.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2017, 01:52:38 AM
Nintendo as a first party developer is the equivalent of a first party developer with 2 top of the line third parties....when they can make their schedule.

2017 is rushed, but pretty much every console is rushed. Consoles do not come into their own until their second year. Launching with Zelda should be immense for people. This Zelda is going to be one of the better Zelda's. Once this Zelda is out in the Wild there is no turning back.

The Wii launched with a Zelda game. Who knows maybe Switch Sports is on its way.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on February 18, 2017, 02:22:21 AM
As for the account kvetching, I've never really understood the intense feelings about it. Like, do people want to be able to log into their friends' consoles to download their games and play them there? Is that how it works on PS4/Xbone? I don't really get how that would work, or why a company would let you do that without de-linking the original licenses first.


That kind of thing is super easy to do on a PS4. I logged in to one that was used in my office break room. When I finally bought my own PS4 it was a easy as removing that system from my account and adding my own as my primary system. When I sold my PS3 I deleted everything, cleaned out the drive and de-linked the console. If I ever buy another PS3 my games will be waiting there no problem.


To your other point, for most people it's a peace of mind thing. It's knowing that if something does go wrong the hardware makers developed tools that let you get everything back easy and free of hassle. No one wants to sit with a customer service rep ever, and whether Nintendo likes it or not, the other console makers have made the process of account migration extremely easier.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2017, 02:41:08 AM
There are small exception like PT, but those a really small examples.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on February 18, 2017, 02:51:58 AM
There's a difference between a publisher trying to wipe a game off the face of the earth and a hardware maker making it next to impossible to migrate your content from one console to the other.


I still technically have a license for PT. If Konami for some reason ever brings it back online I can re-download it no problem.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 18, 2017, 02:59:38 AM
you can freely link and unlink your NNID to the Nintendo Account of your choosing.
I'm sorry, but this is the part of your interpretation that I disagree with. This message is specifically popping up when the user chooses to format all data on the console. Therefore, all that is stated is that you can re-link your account to this specific console. As in, the console where it was already contained. Nowhere does it state that you can freely unlink it any time you want without using the console, nor does it state that you can go and link it to another console on your own. These is all things being assumed by people. And while I agree they are reasonable assumptions, I once again say that this is Nintendo we're talking about. Nothing like this is a given.

If that's the part you disagree with, you don't even need to take my word for it. Log in to your current Nintendo Account, unlink your NNID (which you can do with the click of a button), create a new Nintendo Account, and link your NNID to that new Nintendo Account. Your transaction history will be gone from your primary Nintendo Account, and it will appear on your new Nintendo Account. The fact that you can freely link your NNID to a Nintendo Account of your choosing is a verifiable fact, and has been for quite some time.

Also, it does not use the term "NNID" at all.

Which is why this message is encouraging in the first place. The part your purchases are tied to, your NNID, is not mentioned as being linked to the system. This message says the part that is linked to your system is the Nintendo Account. Even if you can only link one Nintendo Account to one console, it's irrelevant as long as your NNID can be moved freely (which, again, is what your purchases are tied to and can be moved between Nintendo Accounts at this very moment).
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Mop it up on February 18, 2017, 12:56:19 PM
If that's the part you disagree with, you don't even need to take my word for it. Log in to your current Nintendo Account, unlink your NNID (which you can do with the click of a button), create a new Nintendo Account, and link your NNID to that new Nintendo Account.
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The part your purchases are tied to, your NNID, is not mentioned as being linked to the system.
Oh, my mistake, I got confused ha ha. It was late and I had thought you were still talking about what the message meant and linking to a new system and such, and were mixing up terms or something.

In any case, the message says your purchases will be tied to your Nintendo Account, not your NNID, so I'm not sure how linking and unlinking NNIDs is relevant here.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Oedo on February 20, 2017, 02:37:33 PM
According to Nintendo Force: (https://twitter.com/NintendoForce/status/833725960763613184)

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To be clear on embargoes: Switch Previews on February 23, Reviews March 1. Zelda Previews on February 24, Reviews March 2.

Soon, y'all. Soon!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Soren on February 20, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/02/its_time_to_claim_your_nintendo_account_user_id_for_nintendo_switch


I am utterly confused. But I did manage to nab "StarTropics" as my User ID.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 20, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
I got nickmitch.

Side note: The Zelda embargo is one day after the Switch embargo? Is that weird?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 20, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
I got nickmitch.

Side note: The Zelda embargo is one day after the Switch embargo? Is that weird?


It's....odd. Nintendo has not been shy about super early embargos if they know they have something good on their hands. Of course it doesn't mean that BotW is going to be bad but it kinda feels a little late in the game. Horizon Zero Dawn's embargo was today and that game's not out until next week.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Mop it up on February 20, 2017, 03:53:22 PM
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/02/its_time_to_claim_your_nintendo_account_user_id_for_nintendo_switch


I am utterly confused. But I did manage to nab "StarTropics" as my User ID.
Did it let you have capital letters? It wouldn't let me.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Oedo on February 20, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
Perhaps the preview coverage will have a lot of limitations put on it and Nintendo is setting the review embargo that close to release to avoid spoilers as much as possible? They do seem to be more mindful of spoilers when it comes to Breath of the Wild. If reviews go up on March 2, there's only one day of extensive coverage before the game comes out.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 20, 2017, 04:01:55 PM
Maybe they just want to make sure reviewers have enough time to beat the game?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-
Post by: Discord.RSS on February 20, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/02/its_time_to_claim_your_nintendo_account_user_id_for_nintendo_switch (https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/02/its_time_to_claim_your_nintendo_account_user_id_for_nintendo_switch)


I am utterly confused. But I did manage to nab "StarTropics" as my User ID.

Haven't really kept up with everything but aren't they just continuing Nintendo Network IDs? Why would everyone need to make a new one again? Differentiating between NNID, this (apparantly new?) account user thing, and an optional MyNintendo is a far cry from that hallowed single account structure.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Oedo on February 20, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Since Nintendo will be charging for their online service now, they have to make a lot of improvements in order to justify the price, and maybe starting from scratch was easier than trying to improve whatever online infrastructure was in place under NNID. This is just my speculation as someone who has limited knowledge of these kinds of tech-related things though.

The single account aspect comes from everything being linked to your Nintendo Account. Even if they're using your NNID for eShop purchases (this could change for the Switch), using this new User ID for online play, and doing rewards through My Nintendo, it doesn't really matter if Nintendo only asks you for your Nintendo Account sign in information whenever you try to access these different services. It's not the most elegant solution, but it effectively achieves the "one account" goal. This is not completely set in stone yet (as Mop it up rightly pointed out many times), but that's probably how it should work given what we do know so far.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 20, 2017, 08:47:11 PM
10 days to go! I cant wait for all the information over the next few days. Its getting so exciting.

I dont see why they need to make another user ID. Shouldnt the NNID be enough? Even if the Switch uses a completely new online system, I would have though it would just use the same ID.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 20, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
The single account aspect comes from everything being linked to your Nintendo Account. Even if they're using your NNID for eShop purchases (this could change for the Switch), using this new User ID for online play, and doing rewards through My Nintendo, it doesn't really matter if Nintendo only asks you for your Nintendo Account sign in information whenever you try to access these different services. It's not the most elegant solution, but it effectively achieves the "one account" goal. This is not completely set in stone yet (as Mop it up rightly pointed out many times), but that's probably how it should work given what we do know so far.

From what I can gather (from people on Twitter who I at least trust, take that with a grain of salt) Nintendo Accounts will be the ones that your purchases will be tied to from now on. That "global" account can then be tied to local accounts on different machines (1 machine at a time, obviously). If you link your NNID to your Nintendo Account (which you already should have done) then your global account should at least have some record of your Wii U/3DS purchases.


TL;DR: Nintendo screwed this up so bad that the only way to untangle this mess was with an equally confusing system.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 20, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
Our family apparently will be able to afford a Switch around launch, which is exciting that it's possible. Doubt we'll be able to get one then due to the system being sold out at stores probably, but we at least pre-ordered Zelda for Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 20, 2017, 11:29:16 PM
I linked my NNID to my My.Nintendo.com account a long time ago...

edit: That is stupid I had to create a new one. shyguy6 since ShyGuy was taken even though that has been my userid since Miitomo came out...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 21, 2017, 02:47:17 AM
I don't think the Switch is using NNIDs. I thought this was something completely different. Instead of an NNID it's a Nintendo Account User ID.

Anyway, mine is SuperPhillip-- well, superphillip-- since I guess they don't do caps for some reason. Thankfully, unlike PSN, it seems you can change it whenever.

Also, my local Best Buy is doing a midnight launch, so we might try our luck at getting a Switch that night!
Here's where you can see if yours is doing a midnight launch?: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/video-games/nintendo-switch/pcmcat1476977522176.c?id=pcmcat1476977522176
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Mop it up on February 21, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
I think it's just that Zelda has been being hyped for years, so Nintendo don't feel a need for a strong hype campaign right before launch. And let's be honest, most people are already sold on Zelda. Nintendo are better off focusing hype on the Switch and every other game for it, because those are the things which need more coverage and need to succeed.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Stratos on February 21, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
I linked my NNID to my My.Nintendo.com account a long time ago...

edit: That is stupid I had to create a new one. shyguy6 since ShyGuy was taken even though that has been my userid since Miitomo came out...


Yeah, someone already took Stratos so I went with my fallback Chronocast. They could have announced this better instead of letting it just be through word of mouth.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 22, 2017, 07:22:06 AM
Today I saw that Hori is making a stand for the Switch, that got me thinking, will it work with the 3DS stand. It seemed like the Switch might be too tall for it. My main reason for wanting a stand is so it can be charged in table top mode without laying it down flat.
So Then I had the idea, why dont I just make my own Switch. I went to the Nintendo UK website which has a front on image and exact dimensions. I printed it out then used cardboard to make it almost the right thickness.
Turns out the 3DS stand will be perfect, the charger will work too, thanks to the cut out bit originally for the 3DS headphone jack
https://twitter.com/adeeelnv/status/834349828507267075
(http://i.imgur.com/ngC9waZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/k44fFBL.jpg)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 22, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
So...given that they've been pretty quiet about it, is it safe to speculate that there'll be no virtual console at launch? 
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 22, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
That's my thinking. 3DS launched with the Virtual Console getting added later. Can't remember if that was the same with the Wii U also or if it at least had a couple games available on the Virtual Console. Maybe there will be a virtual console with a couple mainstays like Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario World but it doesn't seem to be a robust offering at launch like we keep hoping would happen. Of course, there's still a week and a half for Nintendo to suddenly launch another Switch Direct and surprise us with this type of news.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Shaymin on February 22, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
3DS: VC launched with the eShop (E3 2011)
Wii U: VC started with the 30 cent games in January but did one game a month until April.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 22, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
That's my thinking. 3DS launched with the Virtual Console getting added later. Can't remember if that was the same with the Wii U also or if it at least had a couple games available on the Virtual Console. Maybe there will be a virtual console with a couple mainstays like Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario World but it doesn't seem to be a robust offering at launch like we keep hoping would happen. Of course, there's still a week and a half for Nintendo to suddenly launch another Switch Direct and surprise us with this type of news.


I never expected a deep bench of VC games, just was hoping for a small offering as something to switch from Breath of the Wild for short bursts.  I've accepted I won't be unplugging my Wii U from the main tv for a bit given the sparseness of the Switch's library for most of the year.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 22, 2017, 07:50:54 PM
http://nintendoeverything.com/bethesdas-todd-howard-cant-say-whether-skyrim-on-switch-is-the-original-game-or-remaster/


Todd Howard can't answer a simple yes/no question. I don't wanna hear developers question why they're not getting any love from consumers on Nintendo systems.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
That's frustrating.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 22, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Its probably enhanced over the original version of Skyrim, but not the full remaster.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 22, 2017, 09:04:39 PM
Sort of off-point: Todd Howard is similar to Peter Molyneux in having to take his PR with a grain of salt since he usually overpromises, right?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Shaymin on February 22, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
Has Howard ever promised his games will work out of the box? Because if he has, then he's worse than Molyneux.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: ThePerm on February 23, 2017, 12:46:06 AM
I doubt Skyrim would change much with a remaster anyhow. I was watching a seminar on modular games and the way the build levels..... is pretty cookie cutter.

To update the game graphics, you just udate the kit graphics.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Discord.RSS on February 23, 2017, 06:48:46 AM
I doubt Skyrim would change much with a remaster anyhow. I was watching a seminar on modular games and the way the build levels..... is pretty cookie cutter.

Out of curiosity, what is cookie cutter about them? I've only played Morrowind years ago of the series and mostly just ran around trying stupid cheat combinations (at one point I could jump over entire towns). So I've got no real conception of the level design in Elder Scrolls games, so just wondering what makes them kinda average?

Skyrim was praised a lot right, I might give it a shot on Switch eventually.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 08:39:20 AM
Hey look no Virtual Console at launch. Why do we keep giving this company the benefit of the doubt?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
Hey look no Virtual Console at launch. Why do we keep giving this company the benefit of the doubt?


I don't, personally.  A lot of apologists on reddit insisting it's a non-issue, but it's always been a nice side option inbetween the bigger games.  It's just a bigger glaring omission given the lack of launch day options.  I had already accepted it was basically going to be my Zelda machine until Mario comes out, but to me this is the kind of stuff that'll result in death by a million papercuts.


It does look like Shovel Knight and Fast RMX have been bumped up to launch day, which is a nice way to soften the blow.


Don't know why I should even care about their virtual console service when the only time they got it right with content availability was the first time with the Wii.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 09:13:43 AM
Also, we're getting a Nindies Direct next week, but I'm not expecting anything more than the set of Wii U games that got moved to the Switch. When they should be focused on making sure stuff like Rocket League comes out ASP.

Also, this (plus the left Joy-Con issue that's plaguing reviewers) is a bad omen:
(http://i.imgur.com/6xGydkF.png)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2017, 10:26:43 AM
Virtual Console is a non-issue for me personally, but Jebus, Nintendo, get your **** together. It at least has a working NES emulator running on an ARM. I wonder what the hold up is. If Nintendo is going to launch Virtual Console late, it better have hundreds of games.

(It won't though)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 10:33:22 AM
Virtual Console is a non-issue for me personally, but Jebus, Nintendo, get your **** together. It at least has a working NES emulator running on an ARM. I wonder what the hold up is. If Nintendo is going to launch Virtual Console late, it better have hundreds of games.

(It won't though)


Absence of Virtual Console at launch isn't the issue by itself.  To me, the biggest issue is that the Wii U has been faced with a slow death for a long while now, and as an admittedly ignorant person to the process of a new console launch, this just feels like a big "what have you been doing with all this time?" question in my head as a gut reaction. 


My other gut reaction is that they saw how well their singularly Zelda focused E3 went, and decided the launch can be almost literally just Zelda, which would be ok if the other games at launch weren't games that have been over half off on other platforms already (skylanders), or games IMO that are already $20-30 too expensive (1-2 Switch, Bomberman).



Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
Also, we're getting a Nindies Direct next week, but I'm not expecting anything more than the set of Wii U games that got moved to the Switch. When they should be focused on making sure stuff like Rocket League comes out ASP.

Also, this (plus the left Joy-Con issue that's plaguing reviewers) is a bad omen:
(http://i.imgur.com/6xGydkF.png)


Nintendo actively courted devs of ultimate chicken horse to port their game to switch, between that and your comment on "ninties direct", I expect one of the Swtich's shining use cases will be a "take anywhere" indie local multiplayer powerhouse machine.


If I read the comment about the article correctly, the sync issue happens specifically when you slide the left joycon into the joycon grip, which is no doubt an issue.  Hopefully it's contained to that one use case and it's something that is software based, not hardware.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Evan_B on February 23, 2017, 10:39:01 AM
What is the left Joy Con issue?

I'm not surprised that the system isn't full-featured at launch, honestly. It speaks a lot about how Nintendo treats each new machine as a "reboot" of sorts. But literally anything that existed in the past that could be on the system at launch (VC, Miiverse, friggin Amiibo Tap) is another reason to be playing it. I also agree about Wii VC- it was the first version of the service and the best, and to expect anything more than 3DS-level commitment to VC would be laughable.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2017, 11:27:07 AM
...as an admittedly ignorant person to the process of a new console launch, this just feels like a big "what have you been doing with all this time?" question in my head as a gut reaction.
Nintendo was previously emulating each game individually which took roughly for-fucking-ever. If Nintendo is working on emulators that work per platform rather than per game and will work on Switch successors, I can see how that may take longer. That's one hell of an if though.
What is the left Joy Con issue?
I believe it randomly dosconnects in the middle of gameplay. I read that it doesn't happen often, but the fact that it happened enough that multiple journalists wrote about it is disconcerting.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 11:41:50 AM
Adrock, that's probably best case (and probably overly optimistic) scenario for the virtual console, as you've alluded to.  I know they've talked several times about Nintendo's console approach being more about a platform that spans across several devices, and maybe that's where they're headed with it.  But I suspect Nintendo will follow the same trend lines they typically have, and at best would offer a half-step solution.



Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 23, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
Absence of Virtual Console at launch isn't the issue by itself.  To me, the biggest issue is that the Wii U has been faced with a slow death for a long while now, and as an admittedly ignorant person to the process of a new console launch, this just feels like a big "what have you been doing with all this time?" question in my head as a gut reaction. 

As mentioned earlier, with no VC Day 1 on 3DS and Wii U, this now seems to be Nintendo's modus operandi. My only theory as to why this is the case is that Nintendo wants to have fewer things to look after at launch. With a lot of people suddenly buying a system at one time and booting up on their network, there could be glitches or bugs with the interface that need to be patched along with issues with all the games being released at the same time. So, keeping the VC off the console for a little while is one less potential problem to cause any issues or headaches.

The other possibility is that it gives them something to promote or announce after the initial launch enthusiasm starts to wane a bit but unless it is a new console offering like GameCube games available at the launch of the Switch VC I'm not sure how exciting an announcement it would be to promote that NES or SNES VC titles are available now on Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Discord.RSS on February 23, 2017, 01:06:07 PM
As mentioned earlier, with no VC Day 1 on 3DS and Wii U, this now seems to be Nintendo's modus operandi. My only theory as to why this is the case is that Nintendo wants to have fewer things to look after at launch. With a lot of people suddenly buying a system at one time and booting up on their network, there could be glitches or bugs with the interface that need to be patched along with issues with all the games being released at the same time. So, keeping the VC off the console for a little while is one less potential problem to cause any issues or headaches.

Could be yeah, but maybe it's just a "lucky side-effect" of not having the full system done like they wanted to entirely? Assuming the average console cycle lasts 5~ years for Nintendo, they're only right on the cusp here. Wii U's poor performance probably had them rush development in some ways.

To be honest I'm not sure how big of a deal this is; the day-1 crowd will likely mostly be Nintendo converts who are buying their new Zelda machine. And the eShop will be up and running right? But yeah you'd expect VC at launch nowadays, and it's not really the kind of thing you can announce at E3 without receiving scorn.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
-sigh-


Switch will not support bluetooth headphones/speakers.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 02:07:31 PM
Absence of Virtual Console at launch isn't the issue by itself.  To me, the biggest issue is that the Wii U has been faced with a slow death for a long while now, and as an admittedly ignorant person to the process of a new console launch, this just feels like a big "what have you been doing with all this time?" question in my head as a gut reaction. 

As mentioned earlier, with no VC Day 1 on 3DS and Wii U, this now seems to be Nintendo's modus operandi. My only theory as to why this is the case is that Nintendo wants to have fewer things to look after at launch. With a lot of people suddenly buying a system at one time and booting up on their network, there could be glitches or bugs with the interface that need to be patched along with issues with all the games being released at the same time. So, keeping the VC off the console for a little while is one less potential problem to cause any issues or headaches.

The other possibility is that it gives them something to promote or announce after the initial launch enthusiasm starts to wane a bit but unless it is a new console offering like GameCube games available at the launch of the Switch VC I'm not sure how exciting an announcement it would be to promote that NES or SNES VC titles are available now on Switch.




From a business standpoint, I get time constraints and a severe stretch to make launch before their fiscal year end was the imperative for Nintendo here, and probably meant releasing the thing a little half baked feature-wise


From a customer standpoint, It being their MO isn't really a good excuse anymore IMO.  Their console competitors have been launching more feature-full products.  The Netflix & Web browser omission at start, while an inconvenience, isn't something that'll be missed if you have any other device.  The Virtual Console is just another cut that's taking the bloom off the rose a bit for me.


Just my perspective, but I think this is veering quickly to Nintendo apologist territory.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 23, 2017, 02:07:54 PM
-sigh-


Switch will not support bluetooth headphones/speakers.


At launch, or ever?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Is there an updated list of all the day 1 titles available somewhere? I need to make sure I'm not missing anything. I am Setsuna is launch in NA right?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 23, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
Quote from: engadget
While the display was bright and bold indoors, it didn't fare well outdoors. It was no match for sunlight of any kind, and the screen's high reflectivity was an issue even when it was cloudy. I had a hard time making out anything during dark portions of Zelda, and I couldn't see myself actually enjoying the game even when I could see what was happening. This is one issue that could really hurt the Switch: Nintendo is selling it as a console that you can take outside to play with your friends. But what good is it if nobody can see anything?

article here (https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/23/48-hours-with-the-nintendo-switch/)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 23, 2017, 06:49:42 PM
-sigh-


Switch will not support bluetooth headphones/speakers.
There are conflicting reports:
here (https://mynintendonews.com/2017/02/14/koizumi-confirms-bluetooth-headsets-work-on-nintendo-switch/) and here (https://mynintendonews.com/2017/02/23/nintendo-france-switch-doesnt-support-bluetooth-headsetsheadphones/)
Admittedlt the later-in-time link seems to specifically debunk the earlier one, but I still don't get it. The first confirmation came from Koizumi. The later denial comes from "Nintendo France"
sooooo ....
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 23, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
Im not sure why people care about the VC so much. Do they really want a drip feed of the same games all over again?

I would be perfectly ok with not having a VC at all and it just being the monthly game if you have a subscription.
Im much more interested in new eShop/indie games.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Agent-X- on February 23, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
Im not sure why people care about the VC so much. Do they really want a drip feed of the same games all over again?

I would be perfectly ok with not having a VC at all and it just being the monthly game if you have a subscription.
Im much more interested in new eShop/indie games.


I think you've hit the nail on the head with what most of us feel is the issue with the VC and its absence at launch. The fact that this thing is not ready to roll day one is just confirmation of the same ol bullshit all over again. The whole fucking catalog ought to be sitting there waiting to be browsed. Every fucking VC game you ever bought in the past should be sitting in your library ready to be played day one.


No, instead, you're going to get drip fed the same fucking content all over again, and you'll have to buy it all over again to play it on this system versus the other system you bought it on. Oh,  you bought Super Mario World for Wii U? Well plan on waiting the rest of this year for it to resurface on Switch a month ahead of Mario Odyssey!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 10:29:52 PM

This...could be really really bad.

EDIT: Blunty expands on GameXplain's video.


The Joy-Cons are using a very low bluetooth signal strength. and our human body(mostly made out of water) blocks the high-frequency radio waves used in bluetooth. The signal is low because Nintendo wanted the Joy-Cons to have 20 hour battery life. A software patch will not fix the issue. Nintendo needed to foresight to allow firmware updates to the Joy-Cons in order to fix this. Let's hope that's the case?

Of course the higher signal strength means a sacrifice in battery life. So...guess you'll have to spend an extra $30 on that stupid charging grip after all.

Also, as if that wasn't enough, Syrenne points out on Twitter that "increased signal strength of Bluetooth 3.0/3.1 notably interferes heavily with LTE and mobile phones, which Switch uses."

So there's the very real possibility that Nintendo has already totally screwed this up in so many ways.

I SWEAR THIS IS THE LAST EDIT: This is probably the reason why the Switch will not support BT headsets or speakers.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 23, 2017, 10:38:35 PM
Bad news keeps rolling in. :(
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Oedo on February 23, 2017, 10:49:49 PM
I'm not bothered by Virtual Console not launching with the system. What's going to make or break Virtual Console on Switch is how much care Nintendo puts into taking it in a new direction and building up the catalogue of games. A Virtual Console with the same old games is going to be a disappointment to a lot of people, even if it launches with the system. If Nintendo launches the service with GameCube Virtual Console and/or something like Mother 3, that would be really exciting and I doubt very many will care about the timing at that point. There are a couple of obvious gaps in Nintendo's first-party lineup this year, like Breath of the Wild (March 3) and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (April 28), and maybe Arms (Spring 2017) and Splatoon 2 (Summer 2017) depending on when exactly they launch. They could use the Virtual Console launch with exciting headliners like Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and Mother 3 to fill one of those gaps. I'm still hopeful.

What I find more concerning is this talk surrounding the Joy-Con right now. I hope Nintendo gets out in front of this and tells us what the problem is exactly and what they plan to do to address it or fix it. And they better do it soon.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 23, 2017, 11:20:14 PM
Really really bad is RRoD that bricks a system. A Joy Con turning off is something that could (dunno) be fixed with a firmware update or replaced by Nintendo with one that works. Though I think it's better to be in full doom mode regardless, as that is always fun and totally not obnoxious. Seems like certain Nintendo fans and certain gamers who get hard whenever the competition trips up (because corporate cheerleaders and fans of one plastic toy over another isn't pathetic at all) were ready to eat up bad news and say "see! I knew Nintendo would **** this up! DOOOOOOM!"

Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Agent-X- on February 23, 2017, 11:23:23 PM

This...could be really really bad.

EDIT: Blunty expands on GameXplain's video.


The Joy-Cons are using a very low bluetooth signal strength. and our human body(mostly made out of water) blocks the high-frequency radio waves used in bluetooth. The signal is low because Nintendo wanted the Joy-Cons to have 20 hour battery life. A software patch will not fix the issue. Nintendo needed to foresight to allow firmware updates to the Joy-Cons in order to fix this. Let's hope that's the case?

Of course the higher signal strength means a sacrifice in battery life. So...guess you'll have to spend an extra $30 on that stupid charging grip after all.

Also, as if that wasn't enough, Syrenne points out on Twitter that "increased signal strength of Bluetooth 3.0/3.1 notably interferes heavily with LTE and mobile phones, which Switch uses."

So there's the very real possibility that Nintendo has already totally screwed this up in so many ways.

I SWEAR THIS IS THE LAST EDIT: This is probably the reason why the Switch will not support BT headsets or speakers.


I've been following this since early this morning. I doubt this will be really really bad. Even if it's not something a software update can fix, it seems a lot of media people have only encountered the issue a little or even not at all.


Interestingly enough, the pro controller does not have the issue at all.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 23, 2017, 11:44:16 PM
Might be a bigger battery in the pro controller, so the bluetooth signal is stronger.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Agent-X- on February 24, 2017, 12:02:34 AM
I'm still holding onto the belief that this will be chalked up to a final firmware update at the factory as the cause. Too many people have gotten their hands on these joycons at the preview events and had zero syncing issues playing everything ranging from Zelda to ARMS. This de-syncing issue makes no sense in comparison to what everyone has been able to do at the events.

Something is definitely off with these consumer units so hopefully this is just a case where Nintendo erred on the side of caution in favor of longer battery life, and they can adjust it with a firmware update.


EDIT: Also seeing theories that the joycons may be stuck in "lower power" mode as though they're still docked.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 24, 2017, 12:45:37 AM
Really really bad is RRoD that bricks a system. A Joy Con turning off is something that could (dunno) be fixed with a firmware update or replaced by Nintendo with one that works. Though I think it's better to be in full doom mode regardless, as that is always fun and totally not obnoxious. Seems like certain Nintendo fans and certain gamers who get hard whenever the competition trips up (because corporate cheerleaders and fans of one plastic toy over another isn't pathetic at all) were ready to eat up bad news and say "see! I knew Nintendo would **** this up! DOOOOOOM!"


In retrospect, what a dick I am with this post. :(

Just reading NeoGAF gets me hot and bothered with console launches. Sowwy. :(
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 24, 2017, 12:59:13 AM
My feeling has been that Nintendo coming off the failure of the Wii U needed to be essentially perfect to win people back with the Switch.  They're not doing that.  We're getting too many weird Nintendo "please understand" problems that never seem to affect everyone else.  We're having the same "what has Nintendo been doing this whole time" discussion we had with the Wii U, despite Nintendo having to only support ONE system and presumably having more time and resources to apply to the Switch.  The Wii U's fate was pretty much set in stone after the first year so Nintendo has had years to prep for a successor.

So I'm pretty nervous about this and Joycon desync stories aren't helping.  I hope that the Switch attracts Nintendo's handheld market and not just their much smaller console one.  The Switch as a 3DS successor that just also happens to be a console is a more realistic positive outcome than the Switch somehow dethroning the PS4.

Hopefully if the Joycon desync is a real thing that it's an issue with the controller, which can be replaced with a new model, and not the console which can't aside from an outright recall.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 24, 2017, 01:49:33 AM
The joycon issue is worrying, but if you stay within 3 metres, it sounds like it will be ok, but thats still not a very big range.

Neal on Twitter retweeted someone saying
Quote
Breaking news: I heard from one of my contacts at Nintendo of America. The syncing issue will be resolved before launch.
https://twitter.com/Stealth___/status/834920412052078594 (https://twitter.com/Stealth___/status/834920412052078594)
Not sure if that can really trusted though
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 24, 2017, 02:36:42 AM
I like Stealth and we follow one another, but why would a contact from NOA only talk to him and not a journalist with a big reach?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Shaymin on February 24, 2017, 07:08:48 AM
People who were at the events mentioned that the farthest they could realistically get from a Switch with the Joycons is less than the range this seems to kick in at (Neal's been saying on Twitter that it starts crapping out at 10 feet).

So we'll see if they have to include more power in the Joy-Cons on that day 1 patch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 24, 2017, 07:16:58 AM
I was already planning to put the Switch dock right next to where I sit with an extra long HDMI cable to the TV, and this development makes me very happy I already accounted for that.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 24, 2017, 07:29:37 AM
I'm still holding onto the belief that this will be chalked up to a final firmware update at the factory as the cause. Too many people have gotten their hands on these joycons at the preview events and had zero syncing issues playing everything ranging from Zelda to ARMS. This de-syncing issue makes no sense in comparison to what everyone has been able to do at the events.


Nintendo's preview events are well controlled environments that in no way represent the way people game in real life. No two game shelves or furniture setups are the same. So these kind of issues weren't going to be raised until the console went out to spaces beyond Nintendo's control.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Evan_B on February 24, 2017, 08:37:22 AM
It's fun to watch people meltdown.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on February 24, 2017, 09:04:00 AM
Snipperclips confirmed for launch.  Good news for me, now I have something I'm excited to play besides Zelda at launch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 24, 2017, 09:29:53 AM
The Binding of Isaac will not be a launch game. It's now March 17

Launch List (Switch exclusives bolded)

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
1-2 Switch
Snipperclips
FAST RMX

Human Resource Machine
I am Setsuna
Just Dance 2017
Little Inferno
Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove
Shovel Knight: Specter of Torment
Skylanders Imaginators
Super Bomberman R
World of Goo
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Shaymin on February 24, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
Specter of Torment is at least a timed exclusive as well (the other platforms get the update later in March or early April).
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on February 28, 2017, 12:14:12 AM
People who were at the events mentioned that the farthest they could realistically get from a Switch with the Joycons is less than the range this seems to kick in at (Neal's been saying on Twitter that it starts crapping out at 10 feet).

So we'll see if they have to include more power in the Joy-Cons on that day 1 patch.

My Wii remotes started flonking out at 8-10 feet from the sensor bar, that doesn't seem too bad.

Is anyone camping out in line yet?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 28, 2017, 01:17:35 AM
I have it preordered, so no camping. But I will be going to EB a bit before they open at 8am. 3 days to go!

Now that we know about a few more launch titles, what is everyone getting?
Im buying Zelda, Fast RMX and Snipperclips.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 28, 2017, 02:20:03 AM
I've pre ordered a Switch, Zelda, and a Pro Controller. I'll pick up Fast RMX on the eShop (unless its getting a physical version? I don't think so) and we'll see if anything else tickles my fancy.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 28, 2017, 07:09:51 AM
I have preordered but I'll make the trip for a midnight opening. I'll probably do the initial setup for the console, download FAST RMX then go to sleep. I'll go to work and then begin binging on Switch for the entire weekend starting Friday night.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Lemonade on February 28, 2017, 07:17:00 AM
I have been wondering about the switch charger today. I want a second one so I dont have to unplug it from the dock. I was thinking about three options, a normal 2.1 amp usb charger plus the USB C cable that comes with the Pro Controller, or the USB C charger for my phone (5V 3A), or the official charger.
I needed to know the specs of the official charger, so I tweeted Vooks (Aus Nintendo site). I got a reply with this
(http://i.imgur.com/kf3onvgh.jpg)
So it uses 5V and 15V. I dont know all the details of the new USB C power delivery standard, but I have heard about it using low and higher voltages. Getting the official one seems like the best idea.
i just hope it works with my portable charger, but I dont see why it wouldnt.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Shaymin on February 28, 2017, 09:02:07 AM
Is anyone camping out in line yet?

Someone has been in line at Nintendo NY for nearly a month.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on February 28, 2017, 09:50:04 AM
I have been wondering about the switch charger today. I want a second one so I dont have to unplug it from the dock. I was thinking about three options, a normal 2.1 amp usb charger plus the USB C cable that comes with the Pro Controller, or the USB C charger for my phone (5V 3A), or the official charger.
I needed to know the specs of the official charger, so I tweeted Vooks (Aus Nintendo site). I got a reply with this
(http://i.imgur.com/kf3onvgh.jpg)
So it uses 5V and 15V. I dont know all the details of the new USB C power delivery standard, but I have heard about it using low and higher voltages. Getting the official one seems like the best idea.
i just hope it works with my portable charger, but I dont see why it wouldnt.

We got another thread on the adapter going: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=51456.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=51456.0)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Phil on February 28, 2017, 10:21:44 AM
New game from Kersploosh's developer.


http://nintendoeverything.com/vroom-in-the-night-sky-confirmed-for-worldwide-switch-eshop-launch/

(Is it okay to link to Nintendo Everything, or is that a rival?)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Discord.RSS on February 28, 2017, 10:59:21 AM
I've pre ordered a Switch, Zelda, and a Pro Controller. I'll pick up Fast RMX on the eShop (unless its getting a physical version? I don't think so) and we'll see if anything else tickles my fancy.

No physical version announced as of right now, think it's the same with Shovel Knight too? It's worth noting that Fast Racing Neo (plus the DLC) got a physical release in Australia and Europe, just like the SteamWorld Collection did, but I've not heard of plans to do those eShop Selects discs in North America... So based on historic precedent I would say it's probably not happening, unless Switch blows the doors off in the launch period and they're scrambling to fill shelves.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Kairon on February 28, 2017, 11:03:49 AM
Given the region-freeness of things, I wonder if it's worth it to hold out and pray for a physical release elsewhere in the world if I want a physical copy.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on February 28, 2017, 02:51:56 PM
If you're looking to further justify your purchase, Laura Kate Dale has confirmed that the Switch Pro Controller works natively with PC.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Adrock on March 01, 2017, 09:25:34 AM
I'm having trouble settling on a micro sdxc card. I don't mind Nintendo being coy about system specs except for this specific instance. I don't want to buy a more expensive sdxc card with faster transfer speeds if Switch won't take advantage of it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on March 01, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
So console reviews are starting to come out and they're pretty much useless since the Day 1 patch hasn't hit yet. But in the Kotaku review I found this piece of information that is a bit worrisome.

Quote
The console apparently drains some of its battery even when docked—I’ll put it in the dock at 100% charge, play for a while, and when I take it out, it’ll say it’s at 88% charge. My colleague Jason and some others I’ve talked to have reported the same thing. It never goes below 88%, and I don’t believe the battery can run out in the dock. Still odd and a little annoying.

That's...unacceptable.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
Chris Kohler calls the left Joy-Con issue a "showstopper" in his review of the hardware: https://www.wired.com/2017/03/review-nintendo-switch/ (https://www.wired.com/2017/03/review-nintendo-switch/)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 01, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Here's a detailked and, at times. scathing review-in-progress of the Switch as hardware from IGN (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/03/01/nintendo-switch-review?read)
Some of the complaints seem like nitpicks (boo hoo, no native LAN support) but other points are valid. It's not a terrible review but it's not great. Preliminary score: 6.7. Rebiew theme: Switch is trying to do too many things and does none of them really well. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: lolmonade on March 01, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
Here's a detailked and, at times. scathing review-in-progress of the Switch as hardware from IGN (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/03/01/nintendo-switch-review?read)
Some of the complaints seem like nitpicks (boo hoo, no native LAN support) but other points are valid. It's not a terrible review but it's not great. Preliminary score: 6.7. Rebiew theme: Switch is trying to do too many things and does none of them really well. Jack of all trades, master of none.


So this brings up the question "how do we review this hardware?".  Nintendo is suggesting the Switch is a console with handheld-like features, not itself a handheld.  It's silly to expect a wired connection direct on the tablet portion of the system, is it so unreasonable to expect a port on the dock they're displaying as a feature?  Surely they could have had that option for it to switch to direct internet connection upon docking. 


Should reviewers review the system based on what their competitors are doing, or based on how far forward Nintendo has moved in comparison to their prior consoles?  Comparing this system to its peers from Sony & Microsoft, one could argue that in several ways it's woefully lacking.  Comparing to the Wii U, it's probably a leap forward from what that system was at launch. 
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: ThePerm on March 01, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
apparently people are stupid enough to put the cartridges in their mouth

http://www.fuse.tv/2017/03/nintendo-switch-game-cartridges-taste-bad

and they  taste bad.

I have never once thought, when seeing a video game "Maybe I should put that in my mouth!~"

Thanks Trump.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (Review Embargo 3/1, 3/3 Release Date)
Post by: Soren on March 01, 2017, 07:32:21 PM
I...I kinda want to see how bad they taste now...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 07:55:14 PM
It's honestly all I can think about now.

I think I'm gonna go check out my DS and 3DS libraries. . .
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2017, 07:55:52 PM
I wonder if I ever put a cartridge in my mouth as a kid.  I did tend to chew on toys a lot.  I don't think I did because I probably would have been afraid that it would electrocute me or, even worse, damage the game!

What do 3DS games taste like?  They could taste like motor oil or they could taste like pizza for all I know.  Is there some system that has really tasty carts and I've been missing out the whole time?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: ThePerm on March 01, 2017, 08:12:25 PM
likely if you did back in the 80s you'd have some sort of heavy metal poisoning now. You don't come off as anyone with heavy metal poisoning.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: rlse9 on March 01, 2017, 09:59:53 PM
Shipwreck from Cheap Ass Gamer (who I believe is an engineer) posted a series of tweets earlier today pointing out that parts of the tablet that connect with the joycons are metal but that the parts on the joycon that connect to the tablet are plastic and that in his opinion, there's a good chance that there may be serious design flaws that result in a very high failure rate of joycons.  Obviously based only on images and speculation, but he generally seems to know his stuff.  The more I read, the more I'm happy that I'm fine waiting for a revision to come out, more than enough of a backlog and too little time for gaming to jump in at launch.  Hopefully he's wrong and hopefully Nintendo figures out a software fix for the other joycon issue, but to me the issues announced so far are more than enough reason not to rush out and buy the system.


I wonder if cartridges are like a fine wine and get better with time.  I'll bet some of those N64 cartridges I've got in my closet are delicious...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 01, 2017, 10:58:28 PM
Man, I don't feel well reading things like that because it just reinforces the notion that this thing is just not ready and R&D just didn't have enough time to work out everything.
 
I hope I'm wrong.

EDIT: Here are the tweets

(http://i.imgur.com/3eNMoXo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/CZQuYBh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/3YM3ldd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yB5JmmY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/6b9PLLt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/EzkHrDt.png)

$80 controllers guys!!!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Wanderlei on March 02, 2017, 02:27:30 AM
One more sleep.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 02, 2017, 06:52:35 AM
Well lets see how strong the plastic it.  Nintendo is usually pretty good with quality control.  And Nintendo knows the controls are going to be removed in and out alot.  So surely they have done strength tests and stress tests.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Lemonade on March 02, 2017, 06:56:22 AM
Friend codes are back. Why, Nintendo?

http://press-start.com.au/news/nintendo/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-uses-friend-codes-add-friends/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 02, 2017, 07:48:48 AM
Reggie blatantly lying about a product feature? Nahhhhhhhhh that never happens...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2017, 10:02:13 AM
Why did I have to create a Nintendo Account User ID? What is the point of the Nintendo Network ID?

You done messed up, A-aron Nintendo.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 02, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
On one hand: friend codes. **** them.

On the other: the eShop is ridiculously region-free now. People are freaking out in the good sense.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2017, 11:03:10 AM
Classic Nintendo: Do one thing incredibly right, do another thing incredibly wrong.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
Laura Kate Dale seems to be reporting via twitter that the day 1 patch fixes the left joycon issue.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 02, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
Well lets see how strong the plastic it.  Nintendo is usually pretty good with quality control.  And Nintendo knows the controls are going to be removed in and out alot.  So surely they have done strength tests and stress tests.

That's my thinking too. Compared to the competition, Nintendo's hardware often seems to be the sturdiest and longer lasting. This is one guy who has some knowledge on engineering but he's just speculating on his own. The only major hardware issue I can think of that Nintendo released which was problematic was the original 3DS because the raised lower screen touched the top screen and the L and R buttons seems to stop functioning over time. Of course, that was a March release also if you want to find a reason to panic but Nintendo's still got the benefit of the doubt as far as I'm concerned. I need to see more proof than one guy theorizing about something that may never happen.

Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 02, 2017, 01:00:34 PM
Laura Kate Dale seems to be reporting via twitter that the day 1 patch fixes the left joycon issue.

It's really weird, she and some other people are saying the update fixed it, but then another group of people are saying it didn't. I'm not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Friend codes.  Fucking ridiculous.  Nintendo isn't even smart enough to just call them something different so as to avoid backlash.  A different term may also have made it so that the NOA President didn't TECHNICALLY lie to us, though clearly he did.

You hope that the Switch will be a new start but if Nintendo had changed for the better they wouldn't do dumb **** like this.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2017, 01:41:55 PM
Laura Kate Dale seems to be reporting via twitter that the day 1 patch fixes the left joycon issue.

It's really weird, she and some other people are saying the update fixed it, but then another group of people are saying it didn't. I'm not sure what's going on there.

Apparently, it depends on whether or not the joycon are connected to the system.  When connected, a reboot of the system will apply the update to both joycon.  Or at least based on what I read.

The tweet in question. (https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/837326275727474688)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 02, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Apparently not even that works. From Eurogamer:

Quote

UPDATE 2/3/17 4:00pm: The Nintendo Switch's day one system update has launched, and there are reports online that installing the patch with the Joy-Cons attached updates the firmware on the controllers, resolving the de-sync issues. Is this really the case? Unfortunately not. We've updated our console with controllers attached and re-run the battery of tests detailed below. In all cases, the range and consistency of the connection of each Joy-Con remains the same, and the left controller still has demonstrably weaker range than the right. Eurogamer has contacted Nintendo several times now concerning this issue, and we still await a reply.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Phil on March 02, 2017, 05:39:46 PM
Friend codes are back. Why, Nintendo?

http://press-start.com.au/news/nintendo/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-uses-friend-codes-add-friends/ (http://press-start.com.au/news/nintendo/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-uses-friend-codes-add-friends/)

Other ways to add friends are coming, and can't you add people you've played with? Are we just looking for things to obnoxiously freak out about so we can go "Ha! I KNEW Nintendo would screw up somehow!"
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Lemonade on March 02, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
The friend code thing isnt a deal breaker, but it does remind me of the awful experience on DS and Wii where every game had its own code. The 3DS isnt too bad with just one code. Wii U is great with no codes.

As long as you can send requests, like in FE heroes, it will be ok.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 02, 2017, 06:02:24 PM
I've said before, it seems weird that they're releasing the thing this early in the month. It really feels like an extra two or three weeks to work on it could have been very beneficial.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 02, 2017, 06:06:47 PM
Are we just looking for things to obnoxiously freak out about so we can go "Ha! I KNEW Nintendo would screw up somehow!"

Some people are. I think most complaints stem from people remembering how annoying it was to enter a friend code for every game in the Wii / DS era and hearing that Friend Codes will be on the switch triggers that PTSD.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 02, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
Are we just looking for things to obnoxiously freak out about so we can go "Ha! I KNEW Nintendo would screw up somehow!"

Some people are. I think most complaints stem from people remembering how annoying it was to enter a friend code for every game in the Wii / DS era and hearing that Friend Codes will be on the switch triggers that PTSD.


Also, you know...

Quote from: Reggie Fils-Aime on January freaking 16,2017
“People have taken shots at us for that. The reality is, the way that online experiences have progressed, it’s an expensive proposition. The amount of servers we need to support Smash Brothers or Mario Kart — these big multiplayer games — is not a small investment. There are no friend codes within what we’re doing.”
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2017, 06:35:49 PM
I've said before, it seems weird that they're releasing the thing this early in the month. It really feels like an extra two or three weeks to work on it could have been very beneficial.

I agree.  The first Friday in March feels so early.  There are five Fridays this month.  The last two aren't options because you want to get the system out there to have enough time for sales (both system and eShop) to have meaningful impact on their revenue for the year.  But that still leaves the 17th as a viable option.  Maybe they wanted 1-2, Switch out there for St Patrick's Day parties? 
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 02, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
On my way to gamestop and then to best buy since I got zelda from a different location. Still I haven't felt like this since gamecube, which is the last console I got on launch day.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Lemonade on March 02, 2017, 09:14:44 PM
Got mine just a few hours ago
(http://i.imgur.com/DXo36m2.jpg)

Now downloading Fast RMX and Snipperclips. One slightly annoying thing is you cant save credit card details on the eshop.

There are a few Neo Geo games on here too, Im thinking about buying Metal Slug 3, but I think it would probably be too difficult.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: azeke on March 02, 2017, 11:13:08 PM
My pre-order is being pre-processed, but it says they don't have a console and the closest date they have is 20th of March.

Yeah, no -- why would i need 2 games without a console.

I asked them to maybe look if neon red-blue is available and replace it in my order, but if they won't do it -- i will just cancel the entire thing and will wait out for next batch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 02, 2017, 11:43:06 PM
I think neon consoles are going faster than gray. Best Buy has plenty...Got my voucher in-hand, 17 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 03, 2017, 01:10:44 AM
Got mine just a few hours ago
(http://i.imgur.com/DXo36m2.jpg)

Now downloading Fast RMX and Snipperclips. One slightly annoying thing is you cant save credit card details on the eshop.

There are a few Neo Geo games on here too, Im thinking about buying Metal Slug 3, but I think it would probably be too difficult.

Wow! Quite the collection already. Look forward to your impressions.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 03, 2017, 02:26:36 AM
SWEET CHRISTMAS...Gamestop was a breeze in and out in 10 mins. Got my console and jumped in the car to drive to South Philly to grab Zelda from Best Buy. Line was crazy, 3 news vans it took over an hour just to get Zelda. I just got back home at 2:13am and best buy is a 15min drive.




on to the eshop
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Soren on March 03, 2017, 02:36:55 AM
4 hours at a Best Buy. Terrible experience.


I have a Switch. Who wants to start a Friend Code thread?


Mine is 5993-2006-1611
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Kwolf on March 03, 2017, 06:44:52 AM
Quite excited, mine has shipped from Amazon and is on scheduled for delivery today.  Usually UPS doesn't come here till well into the afternoon though.   So I still got some waiting to do.   I'm just relieved it shipped.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Lemonade on March 03, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
. Look forward to your impressions.

Its so good. The hardware is really nice to hold. The OS is so much faster than the Wii U. Adding friends is really easy, even with the friend codes because you just send a request. You can also add people from your Miitomo or FE Heroes friends list if they also have a Switch.
The pro controller is really nice and comfortable, much netter than the joycon grip.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 03, 2017, 10:49:19 AM
MY GOD Zelda...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 is so close now...)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 03, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
Got me a Switch and I'm gonna tan your hide!

Look how big the buttons are on the Pro Controller! Next to a WiiU for comparison.

(http://i.imgur.com/F0LSHKf.jpg)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 03, 2017, 03:22:33 PM
By contrast the Joy Con buttons feel really small. I feel like they're just not the optimal way to play. I've played a bit of FAST RMX and it just doesn't feel 100% right. When I get home I'll try to play with a Pro Controller, which I feel like will be the way to go.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 03, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
I've been playing Zelda with the Pro Controller, and it just feels great.  I'm not sure how playing with the joy con is gonna feel by comparison when I'm playing on the go.


Edit: The cartridges do, in fact, taste terrible.  But not unfamiliar. . ?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 03, 2017, 08:00:28 PM
It takes a bit to get used to, but I think I like the big buttons on the Pro Controller.

Im not sure if this has been said already, so I will say it again. Put a screen protector on your Switch. There are a few reports of it easily getting scratched by the dock.

Nintendo must have cheaped out and not used gorilla glass or anything decent. it annoys me because I dont like using screen protectors.
im usint the onenthat came with the official carrying case.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 03, 2017, 11:34:16 PM
both Microsoft and Sony congratulated Nintendo on the launch of the Switch.

It is possible that they may decide Nintendo isn't a competitor and release games on Switch. The question does Sony want to try round three on handhelds against Nintendo or just join the list of third party support?

Now is the perfect time for Nintendo and Microsoft to release Goldeneye Switchtyfour.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: rlse9 on March 03, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
The cartridges do, in fact, taste terrible.  But not unfamiliar. . ?


It takes a bit to get used to, but...


I got way too much amusement out of reading these sentences one after the other...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 04, 2017, 12:47:48 PM
It looks like the Switch has sold through its launch shipment in NA and Japan. Not so much in Europe and other regions. I was very surprised there were so many loose units at my local Best Buy at midnight.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 04, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
The cartridges taste like flat, chemical, bitter ink pen ink.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: leahsdad on March 05, 2017, 02:45:38 AM
Couple of my impressions:


1.   Local Multiplayer, split screen, make this a must have for family trips.   Basically justifies buying Mario Kart 8 again, but in the mean time, Fast Racing does the trick.   Shinen really nailed that down, I hope MK8's split screen is as beautiful and fast, with no frame drops.


2.   I kinda wish the screen was bigger.  I'm wondering what kind of future hardware revisions they might have.   Maybe 10-inch screen, a sort of Switch XL?  I'd pay for that.   Might even still fit in the same dock.


3.   I don't know whether this is the switch, my Yamaha AV receiver, or magic fairies, but it seems that half the time I put my Switch in the dock, it turns on my AV receiver and TV.  Weird.  Basically, my setup is Switch Dock ->AV Receiver (Yamaha)->TV (Lg).   My AV receiver is never really off, it's just "asleep," but it never "wakes up" when I turn on the Wii U, Wii, Game Cube, PS4, PS3, or any of the stuff that's hooked up to it.  But half the time, when I dock the Switch, it all comes to life.   Don't know why it only does it part of the time.  Still trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: leahsdad on March 05, 2017, 02:48:48 AM
Oh, and the Switch commercial where you have 2 people sitting on a plane, in coach, playing Switch together?  I call BS.   The problem lies with the kickstand, which doesn't go too far back so when you put it down on a surface that's close to your waist (i.e. tray table), it doesn't tile back enough for you to comfortably see the screen.  That is, unless, you are very short, like under 5 feet.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 05, 2017, 04:09:39 AM
3.   I don't know whether this is the switch, my Yamaha AV receiver, or magic fairies, but it seems that half the time I put my Switch in the dock, it turns on my AV receiver and TV.  Weird.  Basically, my setup is Switch Dock ->AV Receiver (Yamaha)->TV (Lg).   My AV receiver is never really off, it's just "asleep," but it never "wakes up" when I turn on the Wii U, Wii, Game Cube, PS4, PS3, or any of the stuff that's hooked up to it.  But half the time, when I dock the Switch, it all comes to life.   Don't know why it only does it part of the time.  Still trying to figure it out.

My Samsung TV was popping up an "Anynet+" error message everytime I woke up my Switch, I had to turn of HDMI-CEC interactions in my TV settings. I gather it is some sort of turn-on-one-device-turn-on-all feature that doesn't work well.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 05, 2017, 11:48:26 PM
I love the Switch so much. Its amazing this it is designed for this kind of thing. I got this photo earlier today
(http://i.imgur.com/4eaPoMZ.jpg)

As for the AV reciever thing, I have a similar problem. Inhave a HDMI switch that automatically changes to whichever source just turned on. Then the Switch is in the dock, it keeps changing over to that, even though it is in sleep mode. I noticed in the Switch settings there is a thing called match TV power state, but that doesnt make any difference.
My brother has this problem too with his TV
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Wanderlei on March 06, 2017, 04:30:43 AM
3.   I don't know whether this is the switch, my Yamaha AV receiver, or magic fairies, but it seems that half the time I put my Switch in the dock, it turns on my AV receiver and TV.  Weird.  Basically, my setup is Switch Dock ->AV Receiver (Yamaha)->TV (Lg).   My AV receiver is never really off, it's just "asleep," but it never "wakes up" when I turn on the Wii U, Wii, Game Cube, PS4, PS3, or any of the stuff that's hooked up to it.  But half the time, when I dock the Switch, it all comes to life.   Don't know why it only does it part of the time.  Still trying to figure it out.


I strongly suspect it will be fuckery from 'simplink' on LG TV. I have similar issues with raspberry pi > receiver > LG tv. It is only minor inconvenience for me of manually changing input on amp if tv inputs change. There will be a setting on either LG tv under simplink or on amp under CEC or whatever name that company uses for the functionally, to change it powering on/off other devices.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
I just bought Puyo Puyo Tetris from the Japanese eShop. I got really into the demo and didn't want to wait a month and a half to get it. I had to buy Japanese eShop codes from a third party site because the eShop wouldn't take my debit card, but it was a pretty straightforward process. And based on what we've seen so far, it seems like purchases carry across regions, so I'll be able to download the English version once it comes out in America.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 06, 2017, 04:00:08 PM
I just bought Puyo Puyo Tetris from the Japanese eShop. I got really into the demo and didn't want to wait a month and a half to get it. I had to buy Japanese eShop codes from a third party site because the eShop wouldn't take my debit card, but it was a pretty straightforward process. And based on what we've seen so far, it seems like purchases carry across regions, so I'll be able to download the English version once it comes out in America.


Wait, what?


I loved the Puyo Puyo Tetris demo even though I didn't know a lick about Puyo Puyo (or Japanese). But if I can download the Japanese version and have the English version thrown in for free that would be kinda cool and unexpected. Am I reading too much into this?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2017, 04:04:23 PM
I haven't tried to do anything with it, but the games I bought on the American eShop still show up with the "Purchased" tag under them in the European and Japanese eShop, which would seem to indicate it's possible for me to download that version as well.

EDIT: I just tried deleting a game and redownloading it, but it only shows up as an option on the shop I bought it on, so that kills that. And since it doesn't give the option to buy it in another reason, I guess I'm never playing Puyo Puyo Tetris in English even if I were willing to buy it again.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2017, 05:16:18 PM
Congrats on your Japanese game baby.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on March 06, 2017, 07:07:37 PM
Is there anywhere (a site) that shows which multiplayer Switch games can be played in two player with just the L Joycon for one player and the R Joycon for the other player?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on March 07, 2017, 12:20:38 AM
I’m really loving this console after my first weekend with it. Nintendo absolutely aced it with core the design concept. Playing the Switch at a preview event a few weeks ago was fun, but actually having my own console, in my home, is a totally different experience and makes me truly appreciate what this console is. Going from playing Zelda on my TV to sitting in bed and playing Zelda on that awesome handheld screen is something else. HD Nintendo handheld gaming with console-scale experiences is here, and it’s amazing.

Hope everyone had a good launch weekend!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 07, 2017, 02:55:43 AM
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: azeke on March 07, 2017, 03:40:04 AM
^ that's encouraging that at least i can do something if i will have desync issues.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 07, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
I have only played in handheld mode since buying it. I docked it to make sure it works and I have used it since. Minor issues with the finish being iffy and seeming like a grease magnet but it doesn't change the coolness of the form factor.




The real test will be when I buy another one for my bar and how customers react to have one right there with there drinks. I'm waiting on more arcade type games to come before I set one up for the public.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 07, 2017, 05:40:20 PM
First comparison of a third party game. Dragon Quest Heroes Switch/PS4/Vita comparison.


Differences in textures and shadows. Resolution matches PS4 in docked mode, but most assets seems to be taken from the PS3 version.

Unfortunately the Switch version is way behind the PS4 version in terms of framerate. PS4 runs 60fps or close to it while the Switch struggles to get to 30fps in heavy combat.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 07, 2017, 08:25:47 PM
What I imagine happened is the Wii U team made the Switch version. The Switch version is probably not too different then a Wii U version that would have existed.

We cannot judge Switch by it's first generation games.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 07, 2017, 08:27:07 PM
What I imagine happened is the Wii U team made the Switch version. The Switch version is probably not too different then a Wii U version that would have existed.

We cannot judge Switch by it's first generation games.

True.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Wanderlei on March 07, 2017, 10:01:22 PM
PS4 version prolly been in development for much longer than Switch version.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 07, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
They were probably in development for a long time, but it was probably way easier to port a shelved wii u version than to optimize a ps4 version for switch. People have been using this game for comparisons, but it isn't a good example.
Like you really wouldn't expect even a Wii U to ps4 version to have much of a difference in the way of polygons. The big performance differences would be on shaders and lighting effects.

When working on so many versions of the game it is going to be hard to keep track of everything. As far as frame-rate goes I'm willing to bet it has more to do with the AI programming causing the cpu to chug. This guy suggests cutting some graphics stuff, but he doesn't know ****. They should program the engine on switch from the ground up and port the graphical assets.


The Switch is actually a good deal more powerful than wii u. In this video you can see the main difference in this game and that game is framerate and lighting. Geometry is pretty much the same. There is some wii u stuff that looks better because of the longer development time. The lighting onthe ps4 is overall superior though. Watchdogs on wii u chugged anytime there was a physics collision. This was because of the slow cpu.

Ps4 is really powerful, but developers are in no way using the system as efficiently as they could. There is some overhead that they won't reach up to because not all programmers were super efficient.

Hyrule warriors runs at a really identical framerate though and has a whole ton more enemies on screen. The game backgrounds are pretty barren, but the enemies are really detailed.



Though Zelda is somewhat of a poor thing to grab framerates from as the action stylistically stops when link hits something.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 08, 2017, 07:13:36 AM
The Switch's WiFi signal is annoyingly weak. The system sits at arms length from my router and I cannot get full bars on my signal. I would need to sit them right next to each other to get a full signal. I know it's sitting next to all my other game consoles and my computer but that's really no excuse. Even in my office where my Mac Book Pro gets just over half a signal on the company's public wifi, the Switch will struggle to find that signal. Not good for a system dependent of WiFi.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on March 08, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
So the Switch does have a sort of Activity Log on the system after all. It seems like a week after you play a game on your system for the first time, the "first played (insert number) days ago" message on your profile changes to display the number of hours you've played that game (increasing in increments of five hours). Between this and the parental controls app, it's pretty clear that the system is tracking your playtime for each game, so hopefully a more fully-featured Activity Log is one of the apps that will come later in the year. The Activity Log was one of my favorite smaller features on the 3DS and Wii U, so I do really hope that ends up being the case.

The Switch's WiFi signal is annoyingly weak. The system sits at arms length from my router and I cannot get full bars on my signal. I would need to sit them right next to each other to get a full signal. I know it's sitting next to all my other game consoles and my computer but that's really no excuse. Even in my office where my Mac Book Pro gets just over half a signal on the company's public wifi, the Switch will struggle to find that signal. Not good for a system dependent of WiFi.

I've been able to get a full signal just fine with my router sitting in a different room, but my Wii U and PS4 are unplugged at the moment so maybe that would change if I had those connected as well.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 08, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
I'll just leave this here (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nintendo-switchs-joy-con-sync-issue-is-even-worse-if-you-put-it-in-your-butt)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2017, 08:34:22 PM
When do we here about the Thursday eShop releases?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 08, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
When do we here about the Thursday eShop releases?


Tomorrow morning usually. But Blaster Master Zero and Voez have already been confirmed.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 08, 2017, 11:41:14 PM
NintendoLife has some truly bad details about those replacement docks that Nintendo put on sale and then yanked almost immediately. Emphasis mine:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/03/dont_buy_another_switch_dock_just_yet (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/03/dont_buy_another_switch_dock_just_yet)

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These are the dock only, meaning you'll need to purchase an AC adapter and HDMI cable separately if they're not being used as a replacement for an otherwise malfunctioning or damaged dock

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Upon receiving the Switch dock units, we realized something was amiss. Rather than arriving in a box, the two docks were wrapped in bubble wrap and shoved into a courier envelope. It should then come as no surprise that we had issues with both docks we received as well.

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Upon removing the docks from their bubble wrap, we found that both of them were quite snug around our Switch; so snug were they, in fact, that we feared they may scratch the unit, as some players have been reporting online.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2017, 02:53:07 AM
so glad I decided to ride the bench on this launch.
I'll probably wait till summer... or Xmas.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 10, 2017, 12:01:13 AM
so glad I decided to ride the bench on this launch.
I'll probably wait till summer... or Xmas.


I get it, But playing BOTW on break at the office or waiting for the train is rock solid bro! I haven't Day One'd a console since GameCube but I've got no regrets so far. I don't dock the Switch since I also have BotW on Wii U, this has been an exclusive handheld, and as an upgrade to the 3DS it's like heaven. Even coming from Vita, this thing is a gem from me.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 10, 2017, 12:48:41 AM
I made myself a Japanese account so I could get access to the Japanese eShop. I downloaded the demo of Dragon Quest Heroes, it looks pretty good, but I can't understand what anyone is saying...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on March 10, 2017, 02:31:16 AM
Japanese Mario Kart 8 Deluxe overview that shows off new battle arenas:

Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 10, 2017, 03:34:51 PM
I made myself a Japanese account so I could get access to the Japanese eShop. I downloaded the demo of Dragon Quest Heroes, it looks pretty good, but I can't understand what anyone is saying...

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_katakana.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

http://realkana.com/

you'll notice a lot of words spell out english words.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 12, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
Shin'en does what Nintendon't.


https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/03/12/mario-kart-8-deluxe-fps-resolution-nintendo-switch/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: azeke on March 13, 2017, 05:15:21 AM
My box FINALLY arrived.

UPS despite ripping me off still wanted additional 10$ on top of their fee just to clear the box at the customs. And took additional 5 days to do so.

Whatever. They delivered at my workplace and i played a bit of 1-2-switch with my colleagues who gathered to check this out.

Apparently, my reaction sucks. My reaction time is around 0.4 seconds, while other guys can shoot in .36 and .32.

Joy-cons seem to be working fine, but i think i need to get screen protector.

Excited.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on March 13, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
So the Switch does have a sort of Activity Log on the system after all. It seems like a week after you play a game on your system for the first time, the "first played (insert number) days ago" message on your profile changes to display the number of hours you've played that game (increasing in increments of five hours). Between this and the parental controls app, it's pretty clear that the system is tracking your playtime for each game, so hopefully a more fully-featured Activity Log is one of the apps that will come later in the year. The Activity Log was one of my favorite smaller features on the 3DS and Wii U, so I do really hope that ends up being the case.

Turns out the system displays how many hours you've played a game after ten days, not a week. I knew I played a lot of Zelda, but somehow I was still kinda surprised when I saw just how many hours I've already put into it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 13, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
I really like the activity tracker on 3DS. I wish Switch had the same thing
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2017, 10:21:18 PM
I guess I hit some sort of milestone, my Play activity for Breath of the Wild nows says 40 hours or more.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 14, 2017, 08:15:08 AM
Jeff Kaplan, of Overwatch and Developer Update meme fame, loves the Switch (the 3DS as well) and is very coy about Overwatch on Switch even though he is open enough to tell people it would be a real challenge to get the game on the console.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5z9foq/jeff_kaplan_game_director_for_overwatch_on/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: azeke on March 14, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
Am i getting this right? You don't get gold My Nintendo points for buying a console, just for games?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 14, 2017, 08:58:33 AM
Thats right and if you buy a physical version, you dont even get half the amount of points you would as a digital version
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on March 14, 2017, 01:32:30 PM
Jeff Kaplan, of Overwatch and Developer Update meme fame, loves the Switch (the 3DS as well) and is very coy about Overwatch on Switch even though he is open enough to tell people it would be a real challenge to get the game on the console.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5z9foq/jeff_kaplan_game_director_for_overwatch_on/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5z9foq/jeff_kaplan_game_director_for_overwatch_on/)


I sincerely doubt Overwatch will be ported to the Switch. 
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 14, 2017, 01:57:38 PM
It could be down ported as Underwatch... /badGamerPuns
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 14, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
Jeff Kaplan, of Overwatch and Developer Update meme fame, loves the Switch (the 3DS as well) and is very coy about Overwatch on Switch even though he is open enough to tell people it would be a real challenge to get the game on the console.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5z9foq/jeff_kaplan_game_director_for_overwatch_on/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5z9foq/jeff_kaplan_game_director_for_overwatch_on/)


I sincerely doubt Overwatch will be ported to the Switch.


I CAN DREAM, DAMNIT!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 14, 2017, 03:06:22 PM
It could be down ported as Underwatch... /badGamerPuns

Or maybe even Levelwatch.

What's so bad about Equalwatch?

And is there a problem with Balancedwatch?

Seems there are other options before we have to accept Underwatch...
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 15, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
The Switch is so half-baked even precious parental controls have pretty big loopholes.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/03/hey_kids_you_can_hide_nintendo_switch_playtime_from_your_parents_by_going_offline
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 15, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
You would think the play time limits would be saved to the console's memory.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 15, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
Thanks to the launch of the Switch, it seems a lot of people are trading in games to get the new console so it's a good time to be buying used games from Gamestop or EBGames. At least it feels that way to me. I've been buying up a lot of games at a discounted price for my never-ending backlog and collection. A lot of stuff from the past couple years I've been holding off on as the price of games has increased along with some new recently released stuff.

Since the launch of the Switch, I've been stopping in at various locations to check stock. I've been to 7 locations at different times of the week and every time I've been in one even during a short 5 minute stay, someone has come in and asked one of the staff members if they have a Switch console in. The answer is to always check in during April (why Nintendo needs another month to restock is classic Nintendo) but the fact that so many people are looking for one is still a refreshing change of pace. The only thing it reminds me of is the Wii since all other console and handheld launches haven't really had a problem with availability or seemed to have so many customer inquiries on acquiring a Nintendo unit.

Even with some of the negatives people have wanted to focus on as we approached launch and post-launch, it doesn't seem to have slowed down the momentum of the system. I guess we'll see what happens over time and it's a shame Nintendo couldn't take advantage of more consumer spending right now while its fresh and new but maybe we'll see another spending spree happen for it during the holidays when the games library is fleshed out more. Yet, I'm getting a vibe that the Switch should at least do N64 numbers in sales and even Super Nintendo level sales seem feasible at this point. I'm really curious how the system will be doing after a year and to see just how popular it is going to be. So far, the launch for the Switch seems to be moving along very successfully aside from not having enough quantity for demand.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 16, 2017, 11:40:30 AM

Confirmed: Switch uses a stock Tegra X1. No custom anything. That's disappointing.

http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on March 16, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
The cooling solution for it seems custom and impressive, though.  Still, from the moment I held it and used it, it was clear that it was overpriced.  I will be more conservative with buying future revisions at launch, but in this case I no longer have access to a Wii U and wanted Zelda ASAP.  It is hard not to love a portable BotW machine, and the bar has been set very low for handhelds in the past.  I am curious to see how other companies will respond.  Microsoft in particular could probably make a killer competitor.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
Confirmed: Switch uses a stock Tegra X1. No custom anything. That's disappointing.

http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/
Strange. I was mildly curious why Nintendo didn't try to knock the price down to $250 if Switch is using stock parts, but then I remembered this is the same Nintendo that is selling extra docks for $90 and couldn't be bothered to just include an Ethernet port.

If there's a silver lining, Nintendo could conceivably drop an X2 or X3 in a New/Pro model and/or successor and call it a day. Custom chips cost more and take time to develop. Still, this would only really help Nintendo because it wouldn't pass those savings to consumers.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 16, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
. . . the bar has been set very low for handhelds in the past.  I am curious to see how other companies will respond.  Microsoft in particular could probably make a killer competitor.

I'm not sure if it's fair to say that the bar has been set low, but the Switch definitely kicks it up a notch.  Sony has favored performance in their handhelds, so a response from them would be most interesting, especially coming off the Vita (if they decide to follow up with new hardware).  I think Microsoft would stay out of the handheld market.  The most I could see them doing is pushing XBL games on Surface tablets and the XB1 controller support.  Or maybe even pushing Steam on the Surface.

Adrock's comment makes me think of what kind of hardware revisions will we see with the Switch.  Personally, I think a "Switch Mini" (smaller, better battery, no detachable joycon) and a "Switch Pro" (dock only, slightly more power) aren't totally out of the question in the future.  Certainly, nothing would be announced for at least a year, however.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
Are spare docks really $90? Ouch, and I thought the controllers were pricey.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on March 17, 2017, 03:13:27 AM
Takashi Mochizuki of the WSJ is reporting that Nintendo plans to at least double their production of the Switch for the upcoming fiscal year (April 1, 2017 to March 31, 2018) (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-to-double-production-of-switch-console-1489728545), which would bump it to at least 16 million. Initial sales have obviously been strong (which isn't surprising for launch, yeah), and I think Nintendo is rightly confident about the broad appeal of the console and their software planning this time around, but for this to be true I think Nintnedo would need some big E3 announcements like Pokemon and/or Smash lined up. That's a big number for a company that has tended to play it safe recently.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 17, 2017, 03:15:43 AM
I was just about to post that news too. I think it is pretty good.
They must be very confident if they are doubling it to more than the Wii U sold in its whole life time
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 17, 2017, 05:57:42 AM
Nintendo has some strong ability to lower the price of the system. 24 months we'll probably see a Switch upgrade. This is going to depend on how good nvidia can develop the battery life of their future chips. If nvidia can do that than the handheld unit will get upgraded. If they can't then there could be a dock upgrade. Nintendo has a scalability advantage.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 17, 2017, 12:12:30 PM
Takashi Mochizuki of the WSJ is reporting that Nintendo plans to at least double their production of the Switch for the upcoming fiscal year (April 1, 2017 to March 31, 2018) (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-to-double-production-of-switch-console-1489728545), which would bump it to at least 16 million. Initial sales have obviously been strong (which isn't surprising for launch, yeah), and I think Nintendo is rightly confident about the broad appeal of the console and their software planning this time around, but for this to be true I think Nintnedo would need some big E3 announcements like Pokemon and/or Smash lined up. That's a big number for a company that has tended to play it safe recently.

I think the doubled production points to Nintendo feeling ready to announce something like Pokemon and Smash (or both) for the up coming year.  The fact that they're making this decision before MK8D is even out means they have to have another ace up their sleeve.  And Pokemon has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) console moving IPs they own.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 17, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
Yeah, they almost have a release schedule that gives us one game a month. Would not be surprised if we saw Pokemon, Smash, and more fill out the current empty months with software. Now that the system is out the gate, we'll be seeing the product of their merging console and handheld divisions, and logically that should mean more games in the near future.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 18, 2017, 03:05:01 AM
Now that I think about it, I wouldnt want to buy an upgraded Switch, unless it was much cheaper.
$250 (AUD) for the XL and $220 for New 3DS is much more reasonable than $470 for Switch.

Unless it was significantly improved, I wouldnt pay more than $300 for an updated Switch
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on March 18, 2017, 09:49:37 AM
Confirmed: Switch uses a stock Tegra X1. No custom anything. That's disappointing.

http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/ (http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown/)
Strange. I was mildly curious why Nintendo didn't try to knock the price down to $250 if Switch is using stock parts, but then I remembered this is the same Nintendo that is selling extra docks for $90 and couldn't be bothered to just include an Ethernet port.

If there's a silver lining, Nintendo could conceivably drop an X2 or X3 in a New/Pro model and/or successor and call it a day. Custom chips cost more and take time to develop. Still, this would only really help Nintendo because it wouldn't pass those savings to consumers.


I wouldn't go as far as to say everything is stock or that there is nothing custom. The chip itself is stock, but there may be a lot of upfront capital expense on the software side of this thing. I don't think Nvidia marketing straight up lied about the number of man-years or that this thing is custom, and software is not cheap especially hardware drivers and SDK's.


Anecdotally, the sound in Breath of the Wild is really dang good.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on March 18, 2017, 10:58:54 AM
Strange. I was mildly curious why Nintendo didn't try to knock the price down to $250 if Switch is using stock parts, but then I remembered this is the same Nintendo that is selling extra docks for $90 and couldn't be bothered to just include an Ethernet port.

If there's a silver lining, Nintendo could conceivably drop an X2 or X3 in a New/Pro model and/or successor and call it a day. Custom chips cost more and take time to develop. Still, this would only really help Nintendo because it wouldn't pass those savings to consumers.
I wouldn't go as far as to say everything is stock or that there is nothing custom. The chip itself is stock, but there may be a lot of upfront capital expense on the software side of this thing. I don't think Nvidia marketing straight up lied about the number of man-years or that this thing is custom, and software is not cheap especially hardware drivers and SDK's.
I wouldn't and didn't either. When Nvidia stated, "The development encompassed 500 man-years of effort across every facet of creating a new gaming platform: algorithms, computer architecture, system design, system software, APIs, game engines and peripherals," it probably included its own in-house development before Nintendo was in the picture.

Using stock parts isn't necessarily a negative. There are pros and cons. I find it a little disappointing that Nintendo didn't price Switch more aggressively. $300 is okay, and I, personally, found it reasonable since I paid it. However, I thought $250 was the magic number for the general consumer. That's the price I think fence-sitters would have been more likely to commit. Nintendo isn't really feeling that now as Switch just launched.

Anyway, it's entirely possible and probable that we've seen the end of traditional generations. I can see Nintendo introducing a hardware update in 2019 with Nintendo abandoning support every other hardware release. That means, you would have to upgrade at least every four years for full compatibility with the latest software releases. To compare, that's a little more generous than Apple which I think typically goes back three years (current plus previous two models) as far as updates go. The problem is most people use smartphones more than gaming devices. I wonder if Nintendo can succeed with this model. The point I'm trying to make is keeping the price down makes these kinds of hardware upgrades more palpable.

I mean, I'll probably upgrade every time because I'm an asshole when it comes to Nintendo hardware. I'm the outlier though.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 19, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
So we've heard that Capcom, didn't like the original amount of RAM in the Switch and asked Nintendo to increase it. Nintendo then bumped up the RAM to 4gb. Apparently Capcom plans to port its new RE Engine to the Switch. This is the engine that Resident Evil 7 uses and Capcom plans to make more games based on this engine.

http://nintendoeverything.com/more-talk-of-nintendo-improving-switchs-memory-and-capcom-targeting-re-engine-for-switch/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 19, 2017, 09:30:08 PM
Since the launch of the Switch, I have bought the following:

Wii U

Sonic Lost World
Game & Wario
New Remix Pack
Just Dance 2015
Just Dance 2016
Just Dance 2017

3DS

Virtue's Last Reward
Zero Time Dilemma
Pokémon Sun
Pokémon Moon
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright
Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest
The Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes
Metroid Prime: Federation Force
Harvest Moon: A New Beginning
Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of a Forgotten Past
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins


All of this has still cost me less than buying a Switch. Normally, I wouldn't have bought so much at one time but the Gamestop equivalent of Canada has had a special sale going on since March 3 that is running until April 2 which is that if you buy 2 used games then you get the 3rd one free. Used games are cheaper than brand new copies plus if you have a high enough membership card, you can get a bit more of the price. If I take the price of 2 games and divide it over the three, it makes for a price point I would gladly take if they were sold at that cost individually. The highest price labelled for the games (and majority labelled price for the games) I bought is $35.99. 2 games at that price with tax is just over $80 but when I take that total and divide it over 3 games, that comes to about $26.87 with tax per game which is about 50% off the normal price as most of these games are retailing at $49.99 CAD and that's before tax. The only thing is that I have to buy a bunch of games at once to take advantage of the price compared to if it was just a 50% off sale for one or two titles. However, having not really purchased a lot of games the past couple years because of the rising price of games, (3DS games used to sell around the $35.00 mark with some games $5.00 above or below that depending on the title) I'd held off on buying stuff until a found a price point I was happy with. Being able to now reach this price point, I've begun taking advantage of it. It's probably helped that with the launch of the Switch, some people have traded in newer games or at least good copies of them so that I've been able to pick up some of the newer released titles at a good price.

Ironically, the one 3DS game I probably most want has been one I've yet to see used anywhere despite checking 7 EBGames stores in my local and surrounding area and that is Kirby: Planet Robobot. I'm also ticked I missed Best Buy's discount of Paper Jam for $14.97 which is a killer good price. Likewise, there have been no copies of Paper Jam for me to pick up in this deal yet either.

Anyways, thought I'd bring this up in case others have the means to take advantage of it as I think it is worth it. The only problem can be when you can find 2 games you want but can't really find a 3rd. I wasn't really interested in Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins and only picked it up because the store I was in couldn't find the copy of Mario and Sonic at the 2014 Sochi Olympics despite having the case on the shelf. It was the only thing priced right with the other games I was buying and that I thought might have been ok reviewed (it did become a Nintendo select title) to purchase aside from getting something I already owned and trying to sell off the extra copy later. At this point, my last dream find would be a store that has Planet Robobot, Paper Jam and Story of Seasons although I'd be willing to consider Mario Party: Star Rush, some other Harvest Moon titles, Hatsune Miku Project, or even remakes like Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World.



At this point, for the Wii U, I think the only titles I'm still looking to buy are:

Ducktales Remastered
Pokken Tournament
Super Mario Maker
(depends on price because I still wonder how long online services will last and then one can no longer play other people's creations)



The following are games I'd be open to buying but not worried if it doesn't happen since I clearly have more than enough to play from these recent purchases:

Mario and Sonic at the Olympics 2014 and/or 2016 (Haven't played any of the M&SatO games but Phil and I think Mop it up seem to be fairly positive about them so I'd be willing to give them a try)

Twilight Princess HD (my initial thought was pass on this title since I have the GC version and I just didn't see myself ever revisiting this game but BotW has me re-energized in Zelda that I'm now curious to try this again with a game in the height of the old style of dungeon and Zelda design but I still might pass since I've got the GC version to replay if I need to)

Need for Speed: Most Wanted (ShyGuy seemed impressed by it back in the day if I recall. Can't say it interests me too much but it look nice and it's a different type of game than I normally play)

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric (why not? I hear it's only medicore and not outright terrible like other Sonic games. As well, I hear and think it doesn't take long to beat so I may not have to make it sit long in my backlog. Sometimes it's nice to have a simple game to quickly complete.)

Sonic All-Star Racing (I hear it's actually good and was the Kart racing game of choice before MK8 took over that title as expected.)

Lego Batman 3 (I bought the 2nd one of Wii U because it was under $10 despite not owning the first. Haven't played it to know what the quality is like but it's almost at the same price point being around $13.00)

Epic Mickey 2 (I know this didn't get good reviews when it came out at the start of the Wii U's life span and the Epic Mickey franchise since died after 2 middling games but part of me is still intrigued by the property to pick it up anyways at a low cost despite not playing the first)

Splatoon (That's right. Lumped with all these other games is Splatoon. I really don't play Shooter/combat type games that this is styled off of nor am I much of an online gamer. With those 2 factors along with the fact that the single player mode is relatively short means I'm unsure I'd really like this title. And with Splatoon 2 soon releasing on Switch, it could be the more Splatoon players carry on playing it there making the Wii U version and online crowd more obsolete. Probably not going to happen at this point)


If anyone wants to chime in on whether something is worth buying or skipping on these Wii U titles, I'm open to hearing about it.

I think you should stop spending so much on videogames :D ;D
Yeah, that's not happening anytime soon. Any other suggestions?

Sorry, there's not a whole lot of reason for me to post this here but ever since I made the original post in the Recent Gaming Purchase thread it has now been replied to and quoted in two completely different threads so I just thought I should keep the trend going and have this post appear in yet another thread.

To answer Pokepal's question, I'd suggest buying a Switch because you'll soon run out of games to buy for it and even if you bought everything currently released on it I don't think it will equal the number of games I've listed.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on March 20, 2017, 05:09:00 AM
I like Twilight Princess HD a lot over prior versions if not for finding other things other than rupees in chests, such as Miiverse stamps. It's fun to try to collect them all. Plus, if you have too many rupees (i.e. a full wallet), you are free to open the chest and have it emptied regardless.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on March 20, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
Seiken Densetsu 3 (a Mana series entry which never got localized) is running on the Switch. (https://twitter.com/Seiken_PR/status/843658507719127040) I've seen some people lavish praise on this game, so I'll be interested even if it's Japan only.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 20, 2017, 10:59:01 PM
Yeah, fans laud it as a lost SNES gem equal to Chrono Trigger and FF6.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 21, 2017, 04:01:30 AM
Game Freak is hiring a 3D modeler (http://www.siliconera.com/2017/03/20/new-pokmon-switch-horizon-game-freak-recruiting-console-project/) to help develop a "globally popular RPG" involving monsters. Must have experiends with Wii U and Vita for a "new console experience".


Don't know about you, but this just screams Pokemon Switch. Though if they are just now hiring a modeler it may not be for a long while.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2017, 10:56:32 AM
Not sure how a new hiring listing would jive with the Pokemon Stars rumors.  Aren't the SuMo models already HD?  I think I remember reading/hearing that's why the game kinda chugs at times and you can find HD videos of the game.  So, wouldn't think they'd "need" someone to make a Switch game.  Could just be an opening came up.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Shaymin on March 21, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
Or they're getting ready for Gen VIII, a spinoff, or something completely different.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on March 21, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
I didn't really know where to put this.

I don't want to pay $60 for Arms, but it looks like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on March 21, 2017, 06:53:43 PM
I didn't really know where to put this.

I don't want to pay $60 for Arms, but it looks like a lot of fun.

I think the price will be easier to swallow when we learn more about modes and if there are any other characters.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on March 21, 2017, 07:26:40 PM
That won't change anything. I rarely pay fully price for games (not counting the 20% Amazon discount). I paid full price for Breath of the Wild because come on. This isn't so much about Arms than it is my thriftiness and limited gaming time. I just got to Hateno Village like a week ago, and I haven't played since.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on March 23, 2017, 02:22:26 AM
A friend of mine designed an adjustable angle Switch stand. Its pretty good, I printed with one with a printer at work.
(http://i.imgur.com/AXwgJvQ.jpg)

The design is here if anyone wants it
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/nintendo-switch-adjustable-stand-30162

I will keep using the 3DS stand because it is much less bulky, but I will give this one to my sister
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 23, 2017, 02:40:27 AM
(https://cdn-consumercrafts.netdna-ssl.com/content/images/product/large/5205-81.jpg)

I found one of these while packing for moving and I thought...hey wait a minute?

https://www.consumercrafts.com/store/details/catalog/decor-display-easels-and-picture-frames/5205-81?gclid=CjwKEAjwwcjGBRDj-P7TwcinyBkSJADymblTRHmqThfiV212gMPaIBvhXlqeyIRP8TGNr4s_loVetBoCaf7w_wcB

87 cents. Commonly available picture frame holder.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 23, 2017, 03:10:35 PM
Cheap, effective, and adds a touch of class? I like it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 26, 2017, 09:31:45 AM
I've been reading Tiago Sousa's Twitter. Apparently he was really happy Nintendo has Vulkan support. He was also excited about the console. Apparently, he was trying to buy it but it was sold out. Who  is Tiago Sousa? A Lead Programmer at Id Software.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 26, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
Nintendo expects to ship 20 million Switch devices in first year (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170324PD208.html)

NINTENDO WORKING ON MULTIPLE NEW IP, ALSO EMBRACING "OUT OF THE BOX IDEAS" FOR SWITCH GAMES (http://gonintendo.com/stories/276807-nintendo-working-on-multiple-new-ip-also-embracing-out-of-the-b)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 26, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
20 million in year one would most likely mean Switch eclipsing Wii U's lifetime sales before the end of 2017. That would really be something.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: MagicCow64 on March 26, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
That 20 million number seems a tad optimistic, though I certainly think it's possible that Switch beats WiiU lifetime within a year on the market.

My baseline assumption is that the Switch will come in between the 64 and the 3DS (~30 million and ~60 million). I'm thinking more on the conservative side of that spread with 40 million, though I'm unsure of how the likelihood of ambiguous quasi-generations will muddle the picture.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 26, 2017, 10:28:40 PM
20 Million seems aggressively optimistic.  One thing I like about the news: it (hopefully) means Nintendo is planning to maintain instocks.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on March 27, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
Ship is different than sell.  I suspect they expect a bullish year, but also imagine they set a target of 20 million units to:


1).  Get the stock levels from impossible to find to readily available anywhere.  I really don't think the scarcity helps their situation, they should want to move units now, especially given the fanfare for Zelda and leading up to a new Mario game by the end of the year.  They want to ramp up their install base quickly so their console is an attractive ecosystem for 3rd party & indies, where viable.


2).  Possibly get price breaks on a higher volume of units being manufactured.  I doubt Nintendo ever got the benefit of doing this with Wii U, especially given the unique nature of the console.  Given the relative off-the-shelf nature of the Switch (joycon notwithstanding), I imagine they can get their manufactured cost down pretty significantly if they place pretty significant purchase orders with their manufacturing partners.


I also imagine we're far enough away from a hardware refresh to where they're not afraid to build up their stock if it doesn't fly off the shelves.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 29, 2017, 12:03:51 PM

Good to see UE4 playing nice with the Switch. It's a plus when the anti-aliasing works so well that you're not really noticing that you're playing something sub-720p when docked. Also the short turnaround for porting to Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on March 29, 2017, 02:25:03 PM
Since I powered through Breath of the Wild, I am now pretty bummed at what else is available for the Switch. Not only because none of the games stack up to the quality and amount of content that Breath of the Wild does, but a number of the games feel overpriced and way too gimmicky to justify a purchase. I've been considering Blaster Master Zero, but I could just as easily get that on 3DS. Snake Pass and Binding of Isaac are overpriced, as well.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on March 29, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
I finally got a Pro controller! Amazon had a direct prime listing yesterday with a promise of shipping by April 11th. Gamestop had a similar thing going last week with a promise date of 3/31, but I didn't want to pay the extra shipping costs. The controller is already $70 with taxes too. I'm not paying $80 for a controller including shipping.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 29, 2017, 10:01:12 PM
Since I powered through Breath of the Wild, I am now pretty bummed at what else is available for the Switch. Not only because none of the games stack up to the quality and amount of content that Breath of the Wild does, but a number of the games feel overpriced and way too gimmicky to justify a purchase. I've been considering Blaster Master Zero, but I could just as easily get that on 3DS. Snake Pass and Binding of Isaac are overpriced, as well.

Have you downloaded the demoes for Dragon Quest Warriors and Puyo Puyo Tetris on the Japanese eshop?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on March 29, 2017, 10:26:09 PM
I still haven't completed Hyrule Warriors to my personal level of satisfaction just yet, I can't imagine going for DQ Heroes, let alone a bundle of the two games. Puyo Puyo Tetris does sound amusing, though.

Arms is the next game I really want.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on March 30, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
So Wii came out in November of 2006 and launched with Zelda: Twilight Princess. Mario Galaxy was launched the year after in November of 2007. Switch is likely to be ahead of schedule with Mary Odyssey. I think if Odyssey slips though Switch would be Doomed if it didn't have Pokémon, which guarantees its success. I do expect however a $25 price drop March of next year. The key is maintaining momentum.

Some things I'd like to see at e3

Eternal Darkness (Nintendo re-registered the trademark, either it's just going to the e-shop or they are making a new one) A great idea would be to show off Resident Evil 7 and Fatal Frame off at the same time to roll the ball for survival horror.

Metroid
Shadows of the Eternals(resurfacing still a separate game with a publisher)
Smash Bros (but I want Smash Bros to make a drastic change, the type of change fanboys would be divided about, where some are pissed and some are excited) The ideal situation is the announce a port of the wii u 3ds one, and make another game that is totally new.
Pikmin
Pokémon
Donkey Kong(i'd like to see a new 3d DK)

Obviously I want to see new franchises or even long forgotten franchises.

Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 31, 2017, 09:18:58 AM
MY GOD THE JOY-CON NEEDS A D-PAD.


I bought KOF '98 and that game is almost impossible with a standard horizontal Joy-Con. To the point that I won't buy another arcade fighter on the system until this is fixed. I could buy a Pro Controller but that's far less elegant than an actual D-Pad. I've only played on other game (Zelda) and of course there is no problem there.




ALSO


I'm beginning to be a bit trepidatious on the hardware in terms of hardware specs. As a handheld, I think the system is solid and I am giving them a first year grace period but as a home console, I'm thinking this may not be robust enough. When I do the math, the specs should fall into the "good enough not to suck" but the lack of a Switch version of Destiny 2 seems smells reminiscent of the Wii U. Just something I noticed  and I want to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on March 31, 2017, 12:34:36 PM
Nintendo basically rejected the notion of PS4/XBone ports with the Switch design.  For me, it is not too bad if they let go of the pretense that it isn't a 3DS successor and all those developers (including internal) move to Switch. 

Also, YES, the left Joy-con should have a D-pad.  I would much prefer using the D-pad as buttons in two player games than using the buttons as a D-pad for any game on the go.  Using the Joy-con on their sides is awkward anyway, plus there are shoulder-ish buttons, so there is no need to sacrifice the most fundamental Nintendo input style to make that play style work better.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on March 31, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Honestly, do not expect major third party franchises to have Switch ports. The hardware specs and overall output just don't match up, and the cost of cartridges may just be enough of a turn off to not make it worth it for publishers.


Regardless of what many people may say (including some staff of this very website), the Switch is a handheld consoles first and a home console a very distant second.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Disco Stu on March 31, 2017, 03:53:32 PM
Apropos of nothing, Switch needs a Picross game ASAP.  Come to my rescue, Saturn!  Let's get to Picross e764!!!!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 31, 2017, 04:06:36 PM
I wonder what the D-Pad solution looks like.  Is it a left JoyCon with a traditional D-pad instead of the buttons? or instead of the stick?  Do you do the same thing on the right JoyCon? Is a right d-pad JoyCon even needed?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Disco Stu on March 31, 2017, 04:09:05 PM
I wonder what the D-Pad solution looks like.  Is it a left JoyCon with a traditional D-pad instead of the buttons? or instead of the stick?  Do you do the same thing on the right JoyCon? Is a right d-pad JoyCon even needed?


Please God let it be the first one.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 31, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
I wonder what the D-Pad solution looks like.  Is it a left JoyCon with a traditional D-pad instead of the buttons? or instead of the stick?  Do you do the same thing on the right JoyCon? Is a right d-pad JoyCon even needed?


Please God let it be the first one.

But that wouldn't be a universal solution.  It makes the horizontal controller function of the JoyCon pretty ineffective.  And doesn't solve Nile Boogie's problem:

MY GOD THE JOY-CON NEEDS A D-PAD.


I bought KOF '98 and that game is almost impossible with a standard horizontal Joy-Con. To the point that I won't buy another arcade fighter on the system until this is fixed. I could buy a Pro Controller but that's far less elegant than an actual D-Pad. I've only played on other game (Zelda) and of course there is no problem there.

A stick and connected D-pad don't make for a good controller by themselves.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 31, 2017, 05:15:47 PM
I would pay for a pair of vanilla Joy-Cons, D-Pad with no HD rumble and no analog stick.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on March 31, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on March 31, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
NickMitch, I agree that a D-Pad doesn't make ideal buttons, but neither do buttons make an ideal D-Pad.  By choosing to sacrifice the D-Pad, the basic functionality of portable mode is nerfed.  Games that work with the little sideways pads tend to be simple enough that a D-Pad wouldn't be too bad.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on March 31, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
That's true.  You have kinda have to go for one or the other with what Nintendo wanted to do.  Thinking about it, the Dualshock D-pad design might've been better for this concept.  The design is close enough to make for an effective D-pad while having some space to make distinct buttons.  Nintendo might've just gone too far in the button direction.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 12:15:15 AM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 01, 2017, 12:37:21 AM
Oh! People are still talking about the Switch? I thought that fad was over now that everyone's beat Zelda in under an hour and moved on.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 01, 2017, 11:15:42 AM
Second time my Switch has just decided not to connect to the internet unless I power down the unit entirely and reboot it. It's very annoying to have to remove the Switch from the dock, power the unit down and then turn it back on and then test the internet settings. This needs be fixed soon.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 11:21:45 AM
I hear the Switch is picky about who tries to connect to the internet. Like, if they are fans of bad Fire Emblem characters, it's likely the console won't connect.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
I hear the Switch is picky about who tries to connect to the internet. Like, if they are fans of bad Fire Emblem characters, it's likely the console won't connect.


Hey! Dorcas is a GREAT Fire Emblem character!


But more seriously, I had that issue happen to me once. I think it has to do with how IP addresses are assigned. Like your network gives IP X to the Switch, but it goes to sleep and is not connected to the internet, and while it is asleep that IP is assigned to a new device like your phone, then the Switch wakes up and tries to get on the network with the phone's IP and gets an error.


Rebooting fixes the issue, but it really should self resolve. They should be able to fix it in a system update, and also resolve the "freeze" issue in Breath of the Wild which is caused by a network check. those are the biggest issues I see that can be quick-fixed in an a system update.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 03:12:30 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 03:57:53 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P
I believe this speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 04:01:41 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 04:05:49 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is inferior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 04:08:09 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 01, 2017, 04:58:52 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 05:09:22 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P:
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P:
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 01, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:

I'm going to allow it.

Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 01, 2017, 09:03:55 PM
I love you guys.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 01, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!

I'm going to allow it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P:
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 01, 2017, 10:35:26 PM
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: :
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Hey, I see what you're trying to do here! Nobody escapes from the quote monster!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2017, 10:50:11 PM
That quote war was glorious. Thank you.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 10:55:40 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : :
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Hey, I see what you're trying to do here! Nobody escapes from the quote monster!
That quote war was glorious. Thank you.
Isn't it great to be part of something larger than you are?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
All hail the almighty quote pyramid! It has come to take us all! It will consume is in its wrathful vengeance!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 01, 2017, 11:48:55 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : : : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : : : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : :
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Hey, I see what you're trying to do here! Nobody escapes from the quote monster!
That quote war was glorious. Thank you.
Isn't it great to be part of something larger than you are?
All hail the almighty quote pyramid! It has come to take us all! It will consume is in its wrathful vengeance!
Why must I do all the work? You could have easily hit quote yourself here and saved me the trouble!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2017, 11:59:22 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : : : : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : :
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Hey, I see what you're trying to do here! Nobody escapes from the quote monster!
That quote war was glorious. Thank you.
Isn't it great to be part of something larger than you are?
All hail the almighty quote pyramid! It has come to take us all! It will consume is in its wrathful vengeance!
Why must I do all the work? You could have easily hit quote yourself here and saved me the trouble!
Turn it up to 180 degrees!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2017, 06:21:24 AM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : : : : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : :
I'm going to allow it.
I love you guys.
You're both a part of this now! MWA HA HA HA HAWR!
I'm going to allow it.
Aw, but it's no fun if it's legal.
I guess that's why no one drinks alcohol after they turn 21.
Hey, I see what you're trying to do here! Nobody escapes from the quote monster!
That quote war was glorious. Thank you.
Isn't it great to be part of something larger than you are?
All hail the almighty quote pyramid! It has come to take us all! It will consume is in its wrathful vengeance!
Why must I do all the work? You could have easily hit quote yourself here and saved me the trouble!
Turn it up to 180 degrees!
I feel like I've been involved in a trainwreck.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 02, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
I still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not having a Switch.
Pre-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people pretend to not-care.
Post-purchase rationalization. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people try to justify their purchases. :P: : : : : :
Post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people lash out after they've been called out for their pre-purchase rationalization.
Post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see people continue lashing out after they've been called out for their post-purchase rationalization defense. ;)
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke. Happens to the worst of us, but man is it satisfying to see one's own genius blatantly ripped off for the second time, with an emoticon at the end, no less.
Post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, with an emoticon at the end, no less. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
I believe this speaks for itself.
Post-shrugging-off-post-desperately-attempting-to-continue-already-tired-joke-because-I-tend-to-take-things-too-far-post-defensive-post-embarrassed-by-post-deflection. Happens to the best of the worst of us, but woman is it satisfying to see someone's genius blatantly ripped off for the second time and then for the third time, now with a fourth time and wishing I would shut up, with an emoticon at the end, no less. I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : : :
Long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which one is superior to myself, but gender issues is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person still hasn't bought a Switch, and therefore cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, carry on.
Yeah, I could do this all day, hee hee.
You're two posts behind, I already made a "gives-up-the-standard-format-for-a-brief-witty-comment" post.
Oh, right. Long-rebuttal-to-refute-long-statement-with-dashes-between-each-word. Occurs in specific cases in which asserting one's superiority actually shows inferiority, but random incomplete gender issues comment is the feeling wholesome when the person in question continues to use keyboard graphics in order to hide the fact said person bought a Switch, and still cannot contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. Unless a quote pyramid is considered meaningful, in which case, we're all in trouble.
"We're all in trouble?" Hardly. Also, the gender issues comment came from the repeated use, and then one-time use, of "man" and "woman" respectively. Close reading is an important skill in quote pyramids, I suggest you brush up.
Ah, the wording made it seem incomplete. I suggest jokes should be more clear, hee hee.
I'll probably be moderated eventually for junking up this thread, but it was fun until then. :D ;) :P: : : : :
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Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2017, 07:56:48 PM
I'm glad that's over.I'd really like to get back to discussing the early days of switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 02, 2017, 08:26:30 PM
I'm glad that's over.I'd really like to get back to discussing the early days of switch.
Silence, heathen.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on April 03, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
During my playthrough of BotW, I noticed my gyrometer drifting a few times.  The motion controls shift the camera, so the screen or arrow reticle would just slowly drift when my hands were still.  Being a Wii veteran, I placed the controller on a flat surface and it corrected itself after a while.  Has anyone else had this issue?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on April 03, 2017, 04:39:36 PM
Yes, and I did the same thing that fixed it.  Noticed it with the Pro controller.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: DonkeyBilly Kong on April 03, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Thanks.  I hadn't seen anyone else mention it.  With no sensor bar, I hoped they had figured out some other way around the drift issue.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on April 06, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Sounds like Square Enix is considering even more ports for Switch. (http://nintendoeverything.com/square-enix-considering-which-titles-to-port-over-to-switch/) I know a lot of people would rather see original games, like Project Octopath Traveler, and I would as well, but I think it's still encouraging that Square Enix is throwing a lot of support behind the console early.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Discord.RSS on April 06, 2017, 07:20:10 PM
Sounds like Square Enix is considering even more ports for Switch. (http://nintendoeverything.com/square-enix-considering-which-titles-to-port-over-to-switch/) I know a lot of people would rather see original games, like Project Octopath Traveler, and I would as well, but I think it's still encouraging that Square Enix is throwing a lot of support behind the console early.

Neat! So, best case scenario, what would be in the realm of possibilities? Would NieR Automata make it, or am I setting too high expectations there? I'd be down for that.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 06, 2017, 07:37:11 PM
Deus Ex Please!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on April 06, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Im ok with ports. Switch needs as many games as it can get
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 06, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
I'm more than happy to get ports just to have games in that form factor. I'm really looking forward to FIFA 18 on Switch even though it'll almost certainly be inferior to the version I could buy on Xbox One like I did last year because of the ability to play it in handheld mode.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on April 07, 2017, 12:15:26 AM
Sounds like Square Enix is considering even more ports for Switch. (http://nintendoeverything.com/square-enix-considering-which-titles-to-port-over-to-switch/) I know a lot of people would rather see original games, like Project Octopath Traveler, and I would as well, but I think it's still encouraging that Square Enix is throwing a lot of support behind the console early.

Neat! So, best case scenario, what would be in the realm of possibilities? Would NieR Automata make it, or am I setting too high expectations there? I'd be down for that.

We can almost certainly rule out Final Fantasy XV, since that game doesn't run great even on the PS4. I'm not familiar with how demanding NieR: Automata is, but, yeah, that would be a nice get for the Switch if it's possible. Maybe Square Enix could go full circle on Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue, which features an HD remaster of the 3DS Kingdom Hearts game, and bring that to Switch. I also remember seeing some talk about Square Enix considering Final Fantasy XIV for Switch as well.

I'd personally like to see more stuff like Seiken Densetsu Collection. It's a great fit or the Switch hardware, and Square Enix actually seems to be taking the emulation seriously by getting M2 on it. Make James Jones a happy camper and put out Ogre Battle Collection next.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Oedo on April 07, 2017, 04:58:02 AM
OH SNAP! Takashi Tokita straight up teasing on Twitter now. (https://twitter.com/Takashi_Tokita/status/850225809889517569) He had a prominent role in the development of Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger, and has handled a lot of Final Fantasy remakes and ports since then. I would be ecstatic to see something like a Final Fantasy Collection with Final Fantasy IV, V, and VI come out on Switch. It is the 30th anniversary of the series this year, so a release like that would make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 07, 2017, 07:13:25 AM
OH SNAP! Takashi Tokita straight up teasing on Twitter now. (https://twitter.com/Takashi_Tokita/status/850225809889517569) He had a prominent role in the development of Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger, and has handled a lot of Final Fantasy remakes and ports since then. I would be ecstatic to see something like a Final Fantasy Collection with Final Fantasy IV, V, and VI come out on Switch. It is the 30th anniversary of the series this year, so a release like that would make a lot of sense.

Would be nice if they had both the original SNES version of FFIV along with the remake for DS.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 07, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
He's probably getting a rise out of people on Twitter. He posted a picture of a stock consumer Switch, not a dev kit. Now I'm getting articles on my news feeds about how he's supposedly teasing a new game for Switch. Internet lets itself get trolled way too easily.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 07, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
This launch period sucks ass.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 07, 2017, 04:53:59 PM
Good thing the Switch is backwards compati...... oh.

Yep. It's another reason why I'm surprised the Switch is selling so well right now and why I'm content waiting for awhile. 6 months from now should hopefully be a different story but for now your selection is limited.

EDIT: When does Yooka-Layle come out? If I had a Switch that would be the next game I'd be waiting for release at this point. Not sure what the quality of it will be since I haven't seen much coverage on it aside from its announcement and move to Switch from Wii U but it's a game genre I've always liked.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on April 07, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
For the 1 billionth time: Yooka-Laylee is not coming to Wii U 2; only the important platforms are getting it: PC, Linux, Mac, PS4, Xbox One, Steam / GOG / PlayStation Store / Microsoft Store. It's a Kickstarter project, so funding is obviously limited and unless it does REALLY well, it probably won't get ported. If you want it, you should get it on launch, April 11, because it'll probably end up being a rare gem someday.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 07, 2017, 05:23:28 PM
For the 1 billionth time: Yooka-Laylee is not coming to Wii U 2; only the important platforms are getting it: PC, Linux, Mac, PS4, Xbox One, Steam / GOG / PlayStation Store / Microsoft Store. It's a Kickstarter project, so funding is obviously limited and unless it does REALLY well, it probably won't get ported. If you want it, you should get it on launch, April 11, because it'll probably end up being a rare gem someday.

Whaaaaaaaaatttttt??????

(http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-disbelief-dumbfounded-incredulity-incredulous-jaw-drop-lakers-no-way-OMG-say-what-shocked-what-the-WTF-GIF.gif)


Are you sure on that because when the Wii U version was cancelled, it was announced it was being moved to the Nintendo Switch as reported on by this very site. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=51005.0)

Moreover, other gaming sites have it listed as coming to the Switch. There just hasn't been a release date set for it yet on the Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on April 07, 2017, 05:25:39 PM
Maybe Playtonic forgot to update their page. The internet superhighway can be a wild and unexpected place! http://www.playtonicgames.com/games/yooka-laylee/
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 07, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
Their probably just going by the systems it is being released on for the April 11th date. The forums you can go to from their site have people talking about the Switch version and when it might be released with a chance the release date was leaked as May 2 by the site Gamerant. Plus, Wii U backers had the option to get their version for the Switch or a different console. Don't think they'd have offered the Switch as an option if they weren't going to release a copy of the game on it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on April 07, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
It's probably cancelled. They really are the new Rare.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 07, 2017, 10:25:37 PM
Good thing the Switch is backwards compati...... oh.

Yep. It's another reason why I'm surprised the Switch is selling so well right now and why I'm content waiting for awhile. 6 months from now should hopefully be a different story but for now your selection is limited.

Have you stopped playing Zelda already?  Seriously, the average consumer who bought Breath of the Wild at launch probably isn't even half way through with it yet.  That's the advantage to having a huge open world game as their flagship.  Unlike something like Luigi's Mansion of NSMB U, Breath of the Wild has well over 100 hours of gameplay and when studies even show the average gamer plays less then 10 hours a week, Nintendo can literally get by with just this one game for over a month.

And by the time more people are done with it, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be out.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 07, 2017, 11:58:05 PM
People haven't finished Breath of the Wild yet? I guess Nintendo really is going for the casual audience.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 08, 2017, 12:16:17 AM
Khush is playing BotW on Wii U and I'll be blunt, he's not missing anything with Switch right now. You even say it right here:

... Breath of the Wild has well over 100 hours of gameplay and when studies even show the average gamer plays less then 10 hours a week, Nintendo can literally get by with just this one game for over a month.

That's pretty much the reason the few third party publishers that bothered to support the Switch at launch did so with pretty weak efforts. Squeenix with the digital only Setsuna, Activision and Ubisoft with ports of games released in fall 2016. WB Games just now releasing a port of a 2013 LEGO game. Freaking Konami has done more for Nintendo than anyone else. I don't begrudge anyone who's complaining about the lack of games to play on the system right now, specially when it's contrasted by the really strong lineup from PS4 (I personally have Horizon Zero Dawn and Nier Automata waiting for me after I finish BotW)

And when Mario Kart 8 Deluxe comes out, Khush will still have access to 90% of the game's content on his Wii U.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2017, 12:37:26 AM
Snake Pass and Snipper Clips
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on April 08, 2017, 10:53:00 AM
Khush is playing BotW on Wii U and I'll be blunt, he's not missing anything with Switch right now. You even say it right here:

... Breath of the Wild has well over 100 hours of gameplay and when studies even show the average gamer plays less then 10 hours a week, Nintendo can literally get by with just this one game for over a month.

That's pretty much the reason the few third party publishers that bothered to support the Switch at launch did so with pretty weak efforts. Squeenix with the digital only Setsuna, Activision and Ubisoft with ports of games released in fall 2016. WB Games just now releasing a port of a 2013 LEGO game. Freaking Konami has done more for Nintendo than anyone else. I don't begrudge anyone who's complaining about the lack of games to play on the system right now, specially when it's contrasted by the really strong lineup from PS4 (I personally have Horizon Zero Dawn and Nier Automata waiting for me after I finish BotW)

And when Mario Kart 8 Deluxe comes out, Khush will still have access to 90% of the game's content on his Wii U.


Khush is missing out on taking these games on the go, which is one of the strongest arguments for the Switch's existence. If that doesn't matter to a specific person, in this case Khush, then Switch isn't a compelling product for him.


Having access to 90% of the games on already-existing hardware is just the way things are nowadays. It's getting pretty rare for a brand new console to launch with a killer exclusive game. But BotW is pretty damn close since Wii U is about impossible to buy brand new. And it's also basically a given that brand new consoles don't have very many games for the first few months. PS4 was in the same boat even months after launch. We're just one month into the life of this system.


But I'm seeing some positive signs (sales, increased shipment amounts), though, and I'll be near the front of the line ready to judge once E3 has come and gone. If I don't see a sh*tload of third party announcements, it'll be hard for me to justify continuing support of Nintendo--Wii U proved to me that I need more from my purchase regardless of whether I own a Playstation and/or a gaming PC.


With respect to the drought in game announcements for Switch, I suspect there are a lot more developers beginning work with Switch dev kits now. And I actually lay the blame squarely on Nintendo for there not being more games announced. In spite of all the positive feedback we heard about Switch development, I've read that Nintendo was very late with the final dev kits, and they basically left the overwhelming majority of developers waiting to begin work on Switch games until a month before launch. This is purely speculation, but I've seen a few threads suggesting it, and judging the current state it would seem plausible.


Why? Idfk. The Switch got one launch, and they had years to plan it. Idfk why Nintendo chooses to do this after years of preparation. I would expect they would be dropping free dev kits on all the major developers months ahead of time.


Anyway, I'm expecting to see a lot of common cross-platform ports popping up on Switch by year's end. Will I be disappointed? I better not be.

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It's probably cancelled. They really are the new Rare.

As for Yooka-Laylee, it is most definitely confirmed for Switch. I can't imagine why there's no official release date, but it sounds like Nintendo is working directly with Playtonic on getting the port. I would imagine this game would have been ported and running within days... maybe Nintendo is raising the bar on quality expectations? Perhaps the Switch version will have a good camera and mini-map. :)


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GR: How are you approaching the Nintendo Switch? What would you expect in terms of success for this specific version?

AR: It's a bit too early to go into specifics with this version, but rest assured we're working directly with Nintendo to get it out as soon as possible for our many fans and Kickstarter backers on that platform. We're big Nintendo fans here, so it's very exciting to be working on Nintendo Switch.


And as for your comments in general, Hammer Time, you sound like a friggin' troll. Or else maybe I'm missing the context? Either way, a lot of us are in wait-and-see mode regardless of whatever you say.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on April 08, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
Well I say to buy Yooka-Laylee immediately. There is no time like the present. 
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on April 08, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
Well I say to buy Yooka-Laylee immediately. There is no time like the present.


Steam is my preferred platform. Otherwise, wait for Switch.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 08, 2017, 10:12:11 PM
Everyone's talking about Khush. I feel left out. :(

I wonder what this Khush fellow actually has to say...



Good thing the Switch is backwards compati...... oh.

Yep. It's another reason why I'm surprised the Switch is selling so well right now and why I'm content waiting for awhile. 6 months from now should hopefully be a different story but for now your selection is limited.

Have you stopped playing Zelda already?  Seriously, the average consumer who bought Breath of the Wild at launch probably isn't even half way through with it yet.  That's the advantage to having a huge open world game as their flagship.  Unlike something like Luigi's Mansion of NSMB U, Breath of the Wild has well over 100 hours of gameplay and when studies even show the average gamer plays less then 10 hours a week, Nintendo can literally get by with just this one game for over a month.

And by the time more people are done with it, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be out.

No, I'm not done playing Zelda yet but I'm pretty sure by the end of April I will be. If I had a Switch that would pretty much be it for awhile. Not interested in the MK8 double dip although I'm sure other people who didn't own a Wii U will be which is fine. I'm not upset if that is part of the selling point for some people in the launch cycle for the Switch so far. It just wouldn't be for me. Even when a Mario Kart is brand new, it is not as hugely anticipated game as it used to be for me. It's not a game I'll play for a long period of time. Maybe I'll do a cup or two but I get tired of racing after awhile. That to me is the main thing I'm referring to when I sympathize or agree with others who have a Switch and are disappointed in the current launch line-up. Many of the games coming out now are ones that to me are designed for shorter play sessions. 1, 2, Switch, Puyo Pop Tetris, Mario Kart 8, Arms or Splatoon 2. Obviously some people will disagree and spend a lot more time playing these games in long play sessions over many days and weeks. However, in my gaming habits, I find my interest in playing them wanes after a bit and I want a break.

Whereas something like an RPG or platformer I am more likely to keep playing for a long period. Things like Xenoblade 2 or Mario Odyssey are games I'm interested in because I know I'll sink a lot of time into playing them and will want to keep playing them to completion. Right now, I've been buying a lot of games (more than I need) for Wii U and 3DS. So, I'm more than stocked when it comes to games to play right now without needing a Switch or having to wait for the coming trickle of games and can wait until the right offer comes along for me to buy a Switch. However, consumers who bought a Switch and skipped Wii U and/or 3DS don't have that option. If they own another console or Steam, they may turn their attention back to those other devices and Nintendo could also lose some of its early momentum as the Switch gets replaced by those other devices instead of feeding their current Switch enthusiasm with more content. But this is going off into other directions. I'm glad the Switch is selling well right now but I am still surprised at the demand given how much software it has and what has been announced for these first 6 months which isn't much. And while BotW definitely lets Nintendo get away with it for awhile, BotW will only carry the console so long before other gamers start to get restless which you are starting to see some grumblings of already. Maybe MK8, Splatoon 2 and ARMS do carry the console for awhile as people get into their multiplayer but that has a caveat of Nintendo needing to figure out and outline the online game plan as well.

Khush is playing BotW on Wii U and I'll be blunt, he's not missing anything with Switch right now. You even say it right here:

Aw, thanks! Here. Have a free beer.

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... Breath of the Wild has well over 100 hours of gameplay and when studies even show the average gamer plays less then 10 hours a week, Nintendo can literally get by with just this one game for over a month.

That's pretty much the reason the few third party publishers that bothered to support the Switch at launch did so with pretty weak efforts. Squeenix with the digital only Setsuna, Activision and Ubisoft with ports of games released in fall 2016. WB Games just now releasing a port of a 2013 LEGO game. Freaking Konami has done more for Nintendo than anyone else. I don't begrudge anyone who's complaining about the lack of games to play on the system right now, specially when it's contrasted by the really strong lineup from PS4 (I personally have Horizon Zero Dawn and Nier Automata waiting for me after I finish BotW)

Part of that could be companies hedging their bets again with Nintendo after the Wii U failed to take off which plays into the eternal cycle of weak 3rd party offerings not selling on Nintendo consoles so why support it? Maybe they bowed out from Zelda but what major significant 3rd party games would you say have been announced after the Zelda period of March and April with a bit of May? That's when they shouldn't have to worry so much about competing with this giant hype machine of a game.

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And when Mario Kart 8 Deluxe comes out, Khush will still have access to 90% of the game's content on his Wii U.

It's true. Thanks again. Although, listen. Would you happen to have $6.00 you could loan me? It turns out the beer here isn't that free....

Khush is missing out on taking these games on the go, which is one of the strongest arguments for the Switch's existence. If that doesn't matter to a specific person, in this case Khush, then Switch isn't a compelling product for him.

Yeah, I guess having played the DS and 3DS so much, seeing people go on about the portability as a selling point seems a bit weird to me. I understand that's never been so easy to play games between your TV and on the go and really this is more a factor of being Nintendo's most powerful handheld that they've ever released but I don't have that much down time when I'm out and about. I don't ride a bus or subway. I'm driving myself around so my time is occupied handling the vehicle. I live about 3 minutes from my work so I don't really need to take a gaming device into it. Nor is there a problem with playing games on my TV since I live alone. (So sad. Awww.) Moreover, if I do want to watch a TV show or movie then I'm not going to play a game at the same time. I'm not into dividing my attention like that. About the only time I'll do that is if it is a sporting event since there can be a lot of downtime in between plays and the action. Take away that selling feature along with a limited software line-up and the case to buy a Switch is probably harder to make with me.

That's why I'm glad Nintendo still went a bit crazy with their controllers as that interests me a bit more. Plus, the fact that it plays Nintendo games is basically a sale for me anyways. However, I'm content to wait until there are 5 games I definitely want to buy that have been or are about to be released. Odyssey is one of those games. BotW would have been one if I didn't have a Wii U copy. Xenoblade 2 almost is but my experience comes from X as I still have yet to play the first. It's a game I know I'll most likely buy and add to my own library but not quite a system seller yet unlike X which wowed me from the initial trailer. So, I'm definitely hoping for a good Nintendo showing at E3 to fully put me into Switch hype mode and "justify" my purchase of one.

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Having access to 90% of the games on already-existing hardware is just the way things are nowadays. It's getting pretty rare for a brand new console to launch with a killer exclusive game. But BotW is pretty damn close since Wii U is about impossible to buy brand new. And it's also basically a given that brand new consoles don't have very many games for the first few months. PS4 was in the same boat even months after launch. We're just one month into the life of this system.


Good points although I've always been surprised at how well PS4 has done from its launch for the same reason that it never had much compelling software for its first 6 months or so if I recall correctly. I remember a lot of chatter about the lack of worthwhile titles through its launch and yet it just kept selling anyways on the promise of titles to come in the future. Frankly, the PS4 launch success seemed to have come mainly from that one silly video of how easy it is to loan or sell a used game for the system when one guy handed a game over to another person. It just seemed to put Microsoft in such a bad light that they never recovered any momentum they may have had leading up to the XBone release and it left the console tainted from the beginning causing a large majority to choose PS4 over XB1. Nintendo's been fortunate to avoid such a situation with the Switch though their January press release did seem to come close to causing an issue of, let's say, gamer fury.

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Hammer Time, you sound like a friggin' troll.

Just stop! Hammer Time!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 09, 2017, 10:55:19 AM
Part of PS4's success (and Xbox 360's for that matter) has been the ability for them to appeal to what the public wants, instead of coming in with a "trust us, this is really what you want" attitude (remember "rumble is last-gen"?). So while the launch lineup was extremely weak and last-gen port heavy, they still had the trust of fans and consumers that they were doing right for them, they had exclusive titles in the works and it was proven that their console was the more powerful of the two. And when both consoles are deep into the hardware arms race that last factor matters a lot.


I hope that this is just the post-launch but pre-E3 no man's land where nothing is being announced and the picture for the entire year is still largely incomplete. I haven't gotten to the point of full-on buyer's remorse but man, the thought of waiting 2 more months just to find out what else is being made for this console is dire.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Stratos on April 09, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
Well reading the full comments from Square's President committing to huge Switch support gives me hope for the future. I think E3 will be the opening of the floodgates on new games.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on April 09, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Also just read where Sumo Digital stated it took just 7 days to get Snake Pass up and running on the Switch. I'm seeing similar comments from other developers as well.


On a side note, I am not seeing similar comments from Playtonic regarding Yooka Laylee. In fact, I'm hearing it has performance issues on PS4. I've lost most of my enthusiasm for this game.


I believe we are going to begin hearing about a lot of games coming to Switch. I'm not sure why we aren't getting more announcements but have to believe that there will be an uptick in interest for this platform considering just how easy porting will be. "Port from PC to Switch in Unreal engine at the push of a single button" easy.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on April 09, 2017, 04:31:19 PM
I hope that this is just the post-launch but pre-E3 no man's land where nothing is being announced and the picture for the entire year is still largely incomplete. I haven't gotten to the point of full-on buyer's remorse but man, the thought of waiting 2 more months just to find out what else is being made for this console is dire.


I was going to leave these remarks alone but just can't. I think it's because I've been on the fence as much as anybody, but I'm clinging to the fact that all of the news for Switch is overwhelmingly positive. In spite of the drought of third party game announcements, Nintendo clearly has a strong gameplan for this year.


March 3rd - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
April 28th - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
June - ARMS
August - Splatoon 2
Fall - Fire Emblem Warriors
Holidays - Super Mario Odyssey
Holidays - Xenoblade Chronicles 2


I really believe there is an intentional lean towards multiplayer this summer and fall in preparation for their paid subscription service. My gut cautions me on believing there will be no delays, especially with ARMS and Splatoon 2 and definitely with Xenoblade, but assuming that doesn't happen how could anyone have buyer's remorse with this lineup?


I'm thinking that I better see at least a few of you in Mario Kart 8 Online Battle mode, or I may start to feel a little remorse myself. I am definitely buying MK8D for the battle mode and the multiplayer racing.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2017, 05:24:50 PM
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 isn't coming out this year.

And even though I WISH ARMS was coming out in May, you're probably right about a June release.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
In spite of the drought of third party game announcements, Nintendo clearly has a strong gameplan for this year.


March 3rd - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
April 28th - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
June - ARMS
August - Splatoon 2
Fall - Fire Emblem Warriors
Holidays - Super Mario Odyssey
Holidays - Xenoblade Chronicles 2

That's still less than a game a month, even with 1, 2, Switch.

As for the early life of consoles now being dominated by last gen ports, I think that might've worked better for the PS4, since it was competing against the Xb1 in its early days as well.  But the Switch is competing with both systems while they're hitting their strides.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on April 09, 2017, 06:53:39 PM
One title I had noticed a couple times for the Switch and seen the box art advertised is Rime. I was watching a trailer for it. While it unfortunately now has to follow BotW on the console and could look like a lesser knockoff, I would say that it would be the game I'd want to play next as a Switch owner and after finishing Zelda what I would be waiting for next in the release schedule. I'm curious as to its critical reception on release. The one negative is that they are charging more for the Switch version citing higher development costs even though Agent X seems to be indicating that porting games to the Switch is relatively easy than it has been for the past while on Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 09, 2017, 07:14:25 PM
I've put 11 and 13 hours into XC1 and XCX respectively. I'm not even going to pretend I'll care about Chronicles 2 this time.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on April 09, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
I hope that this is just the post-launch but pre-E3 no man's land where nothing is being announced and the picture for the entire year is still largely incomplete. I haven't gotten to the point of full-on buyer's remorse but man, the thought of waiting 2 more months just to find out what else is being made for this console is dire.


I was going to leave these remarks alone but just can't. I think it's because I've been on the fence as much as anybody, but I'm clinging to the fact that all of the news for Switch is overwhelmingly positive. In spite of the drought of third party game announcements, Nintendo clearly has a strong gameplan for this year.


March 3rd - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
April 28th - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
June - ARMS
August - Splatoon 2
Fall - Fire Emblem Warriors
Holidays - Super Mario Odyssey
Holidays - Xenoblade Chronicles 2


I really believe there is an intentional lean towards multiplayer this summer and fall in preparation for their paid subscription service. My gut cautions me on believing there will be no delays, especially with ARMS and Splatoon 2 and definitely with Xenoblade, but assuming that doesn't happen how could anyone have buyer's remorse with this lineup?


I'm thinking that I better see at least a few of you in Mario Kart 8 Online Battle mode, or I may start to feel a little remorse myself. I am definitely buying MK8D for the battle mode and the multiplayer racing.

I'm always satisfied seeing Nindie games get sudden release date announcements out of nowhere, such as Mr. Shifty this Thursday. With Nintendo's titles and indies, I'm more than happy with my purchase so far.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2017, 08:48:59 PM
I've put 11 and 13 hours into XC1 and XCX respectively. I'm not even going to pretend I'll care about Chronicles 2 this time.
You are a sad, strange, little man, and you have my pity.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2017, 09:21:53 PM
I didn't feel like reading the last 10 pages, but I skimmed and saw that Switch in on a stock X1....
that's a little disappointing and honestly a bit surprising.

What else have I missed in the last month or so? Anyone care to summarize?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on April 09, 2017, 09:45:06 PM
I didn't feel like reading the last 10 pages, but I skimmed and saw that Switch in on a stock X1....
that's a little disappointing and honestly a bit surprising.

What else have I missed in the last month or so? Anyone care to summarize?


Some other source did a break down of all the parts in the Switch, dock, and Joycon controllers and priced it out at (I think) $257, meaning there's currently not much wiggle room for a price drop. Unsurprisingly, the Joycons are not inexpensive.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2017, 12:18:52 AM
well, any good news? or something exciting to look forward to that might actually get me to buy one sooner rather than later?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 10, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
well, any good news? or something exciting to look forward to that might actually get me to buy one sooner rather than later?

Square Enix has been making noises about full support of the Switch
https://www.destructoid.com/square-enix-says-it-ll-prioritize-the-nintendo-switch-over-the-xbox-scorpio-429947.phtml

Hori Fight stick for Switch Revealed
https://pvplive.net/c/nintendo-switch-fight-stick-officially-revealed-by

Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2017, 02:20:51 AM
Re: S-E, I'll believe it when I see it.  showmethereceipts.gif

and OMG they actually brought back friend codes.... SMFH. WTF Nintendo. WWYDT!?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2017, 10:10:08 AM
and OMG they actually brought back friend codes.... SMFH. WTF Nintendo. WWYDT!?
Friend Codes are still silly considering Nintendo Network IDs exist and can be linked to My Nintendo. Maybe Nintendo needed a clean break to institute yet another new system? To Nintendo's credit (and I can't believe I'm semi-defending this), Friend Codes are significantly less annoying on Switch. You only have to enter it once then your friend can just accept the request instead of having to enter your Friend Code as well. Additionally, you can connect really easily in person and if you were previously friends with someone on say Miitomo, the system will suggest that person as a friend without forcing anyone to enter a Friend Code.

Friend Codes are still hella-lame though, and the friend list isn't particularly useful right now.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Phil on April 10, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
A Nintendo Direct for Wednesday (4/12) has been announced. Will mostly focus on ARMS and Splatoon 2.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/851434613343895552/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/851434613343895552/photo/1)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
Oh sure, over a week ago I made a similar comment as Khushrenada and nobody came to my defense. But when Khushrenada does it, suddenly everyone's tripping over themselves to support him. I see how it is! I never thought I'd say this, but I guess I have to figure out how to be more like Khushrenada.

Though, similar to what Khushrenada said, the portability of the Switch doesn't interest me. When I get one, it will almost exclusively be docked. I also have a sizable backlogue so I don't need a new system right now. Splatoon 2 will be the first game I really want for the system, though I'll likely still wait for Mario Odyssey and see what kind of holiday deals there will be. Though to be fair, buying systems at launch isn't something I do, so I'd probably still wait even if Switch had Mario at launch.

The one negative is that they are charging more for the Switch version citing higher development costs even though Agent X seems to be indicating that porting games to the Switch is relatively easy than it has been for the past while on Nintendo consoles.
I believe what they cited was the higher cost of producing Switch game cards, and also that Nintendo requires the retail and eShop prices to be the same so they can't charge less for the eShop version.

Sounds like Square Enix is considering even more ports for Switch. (http://nintendoeverything.com/square-enix-considering-which-titles-to-port-over-to-switch/) I know a lot of people would rather see original games, like Project Octopath Traveler, and I would as well, but I think it's still encouraging that Square Enix is throwing a lot of support behind the console early.
Since I don't have the other systems then I would still be fine with this. I'd personally like to see Final Fantasy XV, though I have no idea how feasible that would actually be. Similarly, a compilation of the Final Fantasy XIII games would also be nice. I don't know if they've published something else I'd like to see. Mostly though, I'd just like them to localize the Dragon Quest games.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on April 17, 2017, 01:20:19 PM
I think I recall some others being like me and stating they wouldn't buy-in on a Switch version of Mariokart 8 unless it was half price or less.  Just something to consider:




I just secured a $25 copy of the Switch version based on this, which is within an acceptable price range for me.  Thought maybe it'd help someone else here.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on April 22, 2017, 10:55:01 AM
They say never meet your heroes, but I don't care. Karen has an Instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/whoamiamyouareme/ (https://www.instagram.com/whoamiamyouareme/)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on May 01, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
It's recently been reported that restocks of the Nintendo Switches have been sent via air shipment (https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/1/15499892/nintendo-shipped-switches-by-airplane-to-meet-red-hot-customer-demand).  That is a very, very costly decision, and goes to show just how much trouble Nintendo has keeping up with demand.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on May 01, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
That's a very aggressive business decision that directly eats into the contribution margin of each sale.  Is this the only time we've seen Nintendo say, "Costs be damned"?  They usually try to cheap out on things.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on May 01, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
In my past job, I'd ship product from overseas, and an air shipment of even a smallish package from China to the US to get it shipped within a week would cost upwards of $1,000 - $4,000.  For comparison, boat shipments are a fraction of the cost, and take 2-3 MONTHS, depending on how much issues they have going through customs.


I wonder if this'll help people understand this is Nintendo making poor demand estimates, not purposefully inducing scarcity.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Caterkiller on May 01, 2017, 03:52:39 PM
Man I scratched my screen! Not from that in and out docking nonsense that I'm not sure is even real. I freakin' threw my laptop on the couch and didn't realize my Switch was there and slice! Well there are tiny scratches, one really thin one about a centimeter long and the other just a couple millimeters but its deeper.

I can feel them very clearly when I run my nail over them so I'm sending it in to Nintendo right away. I'm sure the Switch will work just fine as it is for years to come but it will bother me forever I just know it.

I hope replacing the screen won't have me lose all my 190 hour Zelda save data. Well it is on the SD card so I should be fine right?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on May 01, 2017, 04:06:34 PM
In my past job, I'd ship product from overseas, and an air shipment of even a smallish package from China to the US to get it shipped within a week would cost upwards of $1,000 - $4,000.  For comparison, boat shipments are a fraction of the cost, and take 2-3 MONTHS, depending on how much issues they have going through customs.

I wonder if this'll help people understand this is Nintendo making poor demand estimates, not purposefully inducing scarcity.
I am confused by this statement as it does not reflect any of my prior experience having shipped small packages overseas.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Agent-X- on May 01, 2017, 06:17:20 PM
Man I scratched my screen! Not from that in and out docking nonsense that I'm not sure is even real. I freakin' threw my laptop on the couch and didn't realize my Switch was there and slice! Well there are tiny scratches, one really thin one about a centimeter long and the other just a couple millimeters but its deeper.

I can feel them very clearly when I run my nail over them so I'm sending it in to Nintendo right away. I'm sure the Switch will work just fine as it is for years to come but it will bother me forever I just know it.

I hope replacing the screen won't have me lose all my 190 hour Zelda save data. Well it is on the SD card so I should be fine right?


I genuinely feel for you. Do update us on cost and outcome. If you weren't worried about your save file, I'd suggest selling the console to someone who won't care about the scratch.  ;)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on May 01, 2017, 09:09:42 PM
In my past job, I'd ship product from overseas, and an air shipment of even a smallish package from China to the US to get it shipped within a week would cost upwards of $1,000 - $4,000.  For comparison, boat shipments are a fraction of the cost, and take 2-3 MONTHS, depending on how much issues they have going through customs.

I wonder if this'll help people understand this is Nintendo making poor demand estimates, not purposefully inducing scarcity.
I am confused by this statement as it does not reflect any of my prior experience having shipped small packages overseas.

I should clarify small is relative to production quantities of a product in manufacturing or crates.  If you're talking about personally shipping a small item for personal reasons not in production volumes, it's kind of apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on May 30, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
It's appears that Nintendo's supply constraints at this point are less about their manufacturer's production capacity, and more that they're struggling to get more components that have commonality with Apple products (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-battles-apple-for-parts-as-switch-demand-rises-1496136603). 

Nintendo is setting an expectation with suppliers they want, and believe they can move 20M Switch units this fiscal year, but only if they can get their component constraints eased.  Probably why they're only projecting 10M units to shareholders at this time.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
There's a plot twist I bet few saw coming!
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 30, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
There's a plot twist I bet few saw coming!

I said it over a month ago.

Nintendo originally said they were going to ship 2 million consoles in March, they ended up producing almost a million more based on demand.  All retail accounts show the system is constantly sold out worldwide every time a new shipment is released.  There's no artificial shortage going on, they're literally getting them out as fast as they can right now.  After the 3DS and Wii U's launch, there's a reason Nintendo was more conservative this time which is why it'll take some time before they can properly meet demand.

Seriously, this is like Amiibos all over again.  These things aren't being made in Miyamoto's garage where they can just easily increase production if they want.  The factories that are making these products are making other companies products as well.  It takes time for these manufacturers to have the ability to properly product more units, especially if Nintendo want 5 times more then they were originally expecting.

This is how the real world works.  The notion that Nintendo was intentionally creating an artificial storage was always embarrassingly stupid.  When many of the suppliers Nintendo makes their products from are also making products and parts for other companies including fucking Apple, it's kind of hard for Nintendo to drastically increase production overnight. 

Even the Wii took over a year before Nintendo was finally able to meet the demand which is why we saw monster sales in 2008 of over 800k in non-holiday months throughout that year.  So yeah, don't be surprised if the Switch stays sold out throughout this year and it's not because Reggie is hording them in his basement.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: lolmonade on May 30, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
I'm with you, Luigi Dude, my background is in supply management, and know how all this works.  But we're on a fan site, not a business discussion site, so "muh artificial shortage" comments carry more weight with a lot of people who like to jump on the Jim Sterling hate train.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2017, 04:09:32 PM
There's a plot twist I bet few saw coming!

I said it over a month ago.

Touche and mad props.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Soren on May 31, 2017, 08:48:59 AM
Which is why if you want to play Mario Odyssey at launch, you need to get a Switch now ASAP.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on May 31, 2017, 11:22:33 PM
That's a tough son of a gun.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Lemonade on June 01, 2017, 12:31:49 AM
It might scratch easily, but Im glad they put a plastic screen on it. Makes it much more durable.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
Quick question guys/gals

I bought a Nintendo Switch a few weeks back, and it's been sitting in my closet as a Xmas present for my daughter. I heard there are some time consuming setup stuff.... so I finally got around to opening it to do the initial setup stuff, and I'm stuck at the part where it's telling me to put the joycons on the switch.

The issue is that I connected them, but only the left one powers on, the right one does not seem to power on.
Is this a dead joycon? or does it just need to charge for a while?

Should I run to the store and get a different one?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ThePerm on December 25, 2017, 12:06:47 AM
maybe connect them and wait? Maybe the right one is simply not charged?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 25, 2017, 01:41:56 AM
I agree, let the right one charge plugged in.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 25, 2017, 11:48:06 AM
I ended up resolving the issue last night, and then played DOOM for a few hours to setup and test the machine :)

The right joycon was desynced, and hit that sync button and then reset the system.

Merry Xmas everyone.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Adrock on December 25, 2017, 12:48:42 PM
I bought a Nintendo Switch a few weeks back, and it's been sitting in my closet as a Xmas present for my daughter.
I ended up resolving the issue last night, and then played DOOM for a few hours to setup and test the machine :)
Daughter: Can I play?
BlackNMild: Hold on, at the next save.
*three hours later*
BlackNMild: I’m still testing the machine.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 25, 2017, 07:08:10 PM
I bought a Nintendo Switch a few weeks back, and it's been sitting in my closet as a Xmas present for my daughter.
I ended up resolving the issue last night, and then played DOOM for a few hours to setup and test the machine :)
Daughter: Can I play?
BlackNMild: Hold on, at the next save.
*three hours later*
BlackNMild: I’m still testing the machine.


Exactly.



(It was a joint present for both of us)
Edit:
I really want a second base for it, but there's no way I pay anything close to $100 for a hdmi pass-through passive cooling station.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 25, 2017, 07:14:52 PM
I've seen enough horror stories about third party docks that I wouldn't trust anything but the official Nintendo version, pricy as it may be.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 25, 2017, 10:05:34 PM
The Best Buy Insignia one has good reviews. Anyway, doing my part...


(https://i.imgur.com/zCFPMsVr.jpg)
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 27, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
So what are the impressions of the system and games from you and yours?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2017, 04:27:48 AM
I have to say that I'm quite disappointed in Nintendo for not including a usb charger cable with their portable system.

They could have atleast made the base charging cable detachable like a cell phone, so you can travel with your 1 provided charger cable.
...or provide a micro USB adapter, if the all in 1 solution was too much trouble.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 29, 2017, 05:00:54 AM
The Switch uses a standard USB-C cable, so depending on what other devices you own you might already have one you can use.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2017, 05:50:47 AM
oh... is that USB C... never seen one before.

That's the same cable Galaxy 8 and most other new (non-Apple) phones are using now right?
They still could've included a detachable base/cable combo, since the device is portable.

But that's cool that it is something standard and future forward.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 31, 2017, 02:37:53 AM
So.... we playing LEGO Marvel Superheroes 2, and there is a glitch that has happened 3 times now that won't let us progress. The Man Ape fight.

anyone else have this game?
BP jumps on Man-Ape's back and starts pummeling him, and it just continues indefinitely.

anyone else encounter this glitch?
FYI, i was always playing 2 player at the time. I have not tried to repeat this glitch in single player.
I did try to drop the the 2nd player once the glitch started, but that didn't fix anything.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 31, 2017, 11:09:19 AM
Never played the second one, but there's often some obscure object you need to do.sokething with in the Lego games.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 31, 2017, 11:41:21 AM
Never played the second one, but there's often some obscure object you need to do.sokething with in the Lego games.
I watched the video of the fight... I saw nothing extra to do.
We've made it to the end of the fight where it happened, and this time it happened the moment BP first jumped on Man Ape in the beginning of the fight.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 31, 2017, 01:32:40 PM
Can you switch to control Black Panther?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 31, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
Can you switch to control Black Panther?

I tried that. kept mashing the button they wanted me to push but nothing would happen.

I went back in single payer from the start and got past it.... I guess you gotta rapid fire the button till it decides to move on... or the button on the controller just isn't working as well as it seems...?
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 04, 2018, 12:33:35 AM
SO... This rumored January Nintendo Direct on the 11th. What's it going to have? Amazon lists 18 un-named Switch SKUs
https://gonintendo.com/stories/298866-more-speculation-on-a-nintendo-direct-in-january
https://twitter.com/videogamedeals/status/947476862602752001/photo/1

My Guess: An EA port, a couple Capcom ports, More details on Yoshi and Kirby, another round of Nindies and maybe finally From Software's Switch game.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 04, 2018, 12:51:20 AM
I think we'll see at least one first party enhanced Wii U game, and maybe Pikmin 4, which supposedly has existed in some form for a while now but probably isn't big enough to be a major E3 focus.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Mop it up on January 04, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
In addition to those, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some extras like home menu themes for Switch. I feel like that is going to happen sooner or later. We may also get more details on their online sub service.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Khushrenada on January 04, 2018, 05:50:33 PM
Mario and Sonic at the 2018 Winter Olympics.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 04, 2018, 11:29:39 PM
My hopes: Resident Evil 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...Metroid Prime 4, GTA 5.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2018, 11:44:31 AM
I want something from Nintendo that uses the (infrared?) camera on the joy-con.  Remember that thing?  Is there a game that uses it?  I'd like to see what they had in mind for it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2018, 02:22:57 PM
1-2 Switch does
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Evan_B on January 05, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Pikmin 4: With HD Rumble, you can feel the Pikmin die in your hands.

Honestly, I don’t expect much. There is absolutely no chance in hell that 2018 is going to be as good a year for Switch as 2017, which was one of the best launch years for a Nintendo console ever, but also one of the strongest years for Nintendo, period. Kirby and Yoshi are likely the biggest Nintendo titles we’ll see this year, and yes, I’m still factoring Fire Emblem into this.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2018, 05:14:28 PM
1-2 Switch does

Oh yeah! There's the eating game!  I forgot about that!

Guess I haven't been playing it as much as I thought I would.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)
Post by: Shaymin on January 05, 2018, 09:39:27 PM
Mario and Sonic at the 2018 Winter Olympics.

Fallout 3, got it.
Title: Re: Switch Discussion Thread (The early days)