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Title: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on June 06, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Finally. I can beat BlackNMild2k1 to a bit of DC news and start a separate DC thread that no one is asking for.

Anyways, this bit of news has to do with Superman. He can finally appear on the Supergirl TV show (http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/superman-supergirl-season-2-the-cw-1201789354/) allowing him to take the spotlight away from the main character by actually appearing on screen instead of just doing it off screen and staying obscured.

One of the potential casting rumors is that of Tom Welling playing Superman, which I think is kind of funny, but I don't think will actually happen. Even better would be if Michael Rosenbaum were to play the role. Still, it looks like the DC TVU has another chance at outdoing its MovieU with how it handles Superman's emergence into it.

Looks like everything's coming up DC now.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2016, 04:33:27 PM
This is is only for the first 2 episodes, I am guessing he isn't a regular cast member.  Which is too bad, because I always thought Supergirl plays much better as a character Superman can mentor because it helps Superman become more human.  However, they are going a different direction with Supergirl in this series with her being older but also younger.

I just they CW uses this season or next season to really combine all these DC shows and have one giant season long story arc.  Or at least finish up their regular series stories a week or two early and do a mega crossover mini-story if you wrote an 8 part mini series you could tell an amazing story with all these characters. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on June 06, 2016, 04:51:21 PM
It was already mentioned in the "New Movies and TV to Watch for" thread but there  a crossover storyline involving all 4 shows next year (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/19/cw-crossover-arrow-flash-legends-tomorrow-supergirl) But I think it will only be 4 episodes long. 1 in each show. Still, I'm looking forward that. Last year's Flash/Arrow crossover was really good and in general, whenever the shows crossover a couple characters into an episode, it generally seems to up that show's game for at least that episode like the King Shark episode in Flash and the Flash/Supergirl crossover. Hope they keep that trend going.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2016, 06:33:22 PM
Snore.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2016, 06:40:42 PM
I think it'd be cool if it was the Smallville guy, but I don't watch the show anyway.

Still on the fence about seeing Justice League in theatres.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2016, 09:02:05 PM
They should make sure they have Superman for the Crossover episode.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2016, 09:30:36 PM
Brandon Routh should totally go for the Superman role... oh wait.

Maybe Dean Cain should reprise the role... oh yeah.. nevermind.

I bet Henry Cavill would love an opportunity to finally play Superman. could be pretty awesome.
He certainly has the build for it.

But Tom Welling would be funny because that would somehow bring Smallville in the Arrowverse... which means that "Justice Society" w/ Speedguy, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Cyborg, Clark, and whoever else existed in that show would have to also exist.
which gives us two Supergirls... one of which who is currently "Brainiac."
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 08, 2016, 03:13:30 AM
I reckon it would be great if Tom Welling came back.  Sure, it does give an impression of a Smallville link, but would anyone really care? Since they have a tendency to use actors who've already had involvement in Superman in one way or another it seems a pretty solid prediction.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2016, 10:02:33 PM
He would have to play Bizarro or Zod, or some other character though. He can't be Superman again.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 09, 2016, 12:08:31 AM
But Tom Welling would be funny because that would somehow bring Smallville in the Arrowverse... which means that "Justice Society" w/ Speedguy, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Cyborg, Clark, and whoever else existed in that show would have to also exist.
which gives us two Supergirls... one of which who is currently "Brainiac."
Man, trying to put all that together and explain it sounds like the writers would have quite a crisis on their hands... ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 02, 2016, 09:46:10 PM
Oh man.... those Suicide Squad reviews.

Seems some may enjoy it, but overall... it's not that great.
Better than BvS, but looks like it could be another bump in the road for this DCCU.

I'm gonna watch it anyway, as I was really hoping to like this one, so maybe I'll be able to enjoy it and not let the stink of BvS taint my SS experience... but if this tanks, and then WW doesn't come thru, I'm not sure what WB is gonna do next.
They better fast track that Batfleck Solo outing, as the only other movie on the near release list is JL, and going by the trailer... I'm not sold on that one yet.

Suicide Squad was supposed to be that DCCU film for me, so I'm not gonna let the reviews bring me down. I'm gonna go watch it... probably not this weekend, but sometime next week.I'm holding out hope it's better than the collective criticism that being passed around right now.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 03, 2016, 03:54:18 AM
In before Warner Bros drags the whole plan out behind the shed and has it shot.

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Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2016, 09:17:17 AM
I thought Suicide Squad was gonna have its own kind of tone and style and not really be indicative of how future movies would be.  Now, if it got rave reviews, I'd skeptical but still hopeful that WB got the DCCU on track.  But with it not being that great, I wonder if there just isn't enough leadership saying "No, this is a bad movie".  I know it's not fair that a bad movie would make me worry more than a good one would make me hopeful, but this is three (potentially) bad movies in a row.

I'm seeing WW for reasons, but that movie had better be fucking great.
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Post by: Khushrenada on August 03, 2016, 09:18:24 AM
In before Warner Bros drags the whole plan out behind the shed and has it shot.



I think a plan needs to exist first in order to then shoot it.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on August 03, 2016, 10:25:51 AM
Who's excited for The Killing Joke? Amazon just emailed me that my copy has been shipped. Should arrive soon.
One of the best books animated with the best voices: Kevin Conroy as Batman and Mark Hamill as The Joker. That right there bodes well.
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Post by: Adrock on August 03, 2016, 12:50:52 PM
Who's excited for The Killing Joke?
What the filmmakers did to Batgirl should make you want to punch things.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 03, 2016, 04:30:03 PM
Who's excited for The Killing Joke?
What the filmmakers did to Batgirl should make you want to punch things.

Yeah, I heard that and I don't even know if I want to buy it anymore. Bruce Timm always had a weird kink.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2016, 06:21:51 PM
I read a bunch more reviews for SS... WOW, they fucked this one up. Sounds like executive meddling of the highest order, lots of cut scenes and last minute additions, hastily edited together makes for a mess of a movie.
Whodathunk!?
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Post by: Khushrenada on August 03, 2016, 06:30:53 PM
So, DC is following the Sony Movie Model in order to be different from the Marvel movie model. Maybe if SS flops, this will allow Marvel to reacquire the movie rights to the DC films from Warner Bros and bring the properties into the MCU where.... oh, wait. No. Sorry. I don't think the Sony Model is going to work out the same way for DC.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
Luckily for DC they can continue to follow the TV shows lead, and start writing the flashpoint or inifinite earths crisis into the upcoming Flash movie and continue the DCCU on Earth 3 or something where all the DCCU movies were at minimum on par with the Marvel movies on Earth 1.
But on Earth 3, DC did it first, and Marvel was struggling to play catch up.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 04, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Who's excited for The Killing Joke?
What the filmmakers did to Batgirl should make you want to punch things.

Yeah, I heard that and I don't even know if I want to buy it anymore. Bruce Timm always had a weird kink.

Hm.  I was super-excited for this.  Although The Killing Joke was always a mixed bag for me (Loved the Joker story, hated what they did with Batgirl), my excitement of seeing it on-screen with the old TAS team back together really had me hyped.

I had to google this to see what was being talked about.  It went from something I planned to buy last night when I got off work to something I just can't support.  I feel I should still watch it to form my own opinion... but yeesh...
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Post by: broodwars on August 04, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
Who's excited for The Killing Joke?
What the filmmakers did to Batgirl should make you want to punch things.

Considering that exact same thing was implied in Batman Beyond, I'd have to disagree with that.

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Post by: Adrock on August 04, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
Considering that exact same thing was implied in Batman Beyond, I'd have to disagree with that.
It wasn't okay in Batman Beyond either. Batgirl is typically portrayed as around the same age as Robin with Batman acting as a parental figure so pairing Batgirl and Batman can get the **** out of any continuity.

That isn't even the worst part. What's most problematic and insulting in "The Killing Joke" is how it's portrayed. The filmmakers went out of their way to expand Batgirl's role in the story except it sucks. In the comic, Alan Moore stopped just short of "fridging" Batgirl (though he later lamented his decision, feeling he should have been reined in rather than encouraged to "cripple the bitch"). She was a mere plot device in the original story. In the movie, Barbara Gordon dons the Batgirl costume to get Batman's attention as both mentor and potential sexual partner because fine. After the scene in question, Batman practically ghosts Batgirl because why not? Narratively, she serves the same purpose in both mediums (e.g. motivation in Batman's conflict with the Joker) except in the movie, she's also a jilted lover. What the **** was the point of that? So they just took bad writing and made it worse.

If they were going to play up any part of that relationship, why wouldn't it be the parental and mentoring side of it? The choices Bruce Timm and the writers made changed "The Killing Joke" thematically (not for the better), and it doesn't even really work because Batman is portrayed as cold and distant to Batgirl. So that changes Batman's motivation from avenging a former sidekick to avenging a girl he fucked then blew off. "The Killing Joke" was already dated in its portrayal and role of women, and the filmmakers way of rectifying that was to add a prologue to the original story in which Batgirl fucks Batman and pines for his approval. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the additions to the story have to be about female empowerment. However, they're so poorly done that they reinforce the notion that men can't write women (particularly without resorting to tired tropes and dumb cliches).

TLDR: **** this movie. **** it up its stupid ass.
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Post by: Stogi on August 04, 2016, 07:34:30 PM
I disliked the movie because the Joker was barely in it. Especially after we meet him and realize, "Holy ****. I almost forgot how great a voice actor Mark Hamill is."
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Post by: TofuFury on August 04, 2016, 08:01:25 PM
It was already mentioned in the "New Movies and TV to Watch for" thread but there  a crossover storyline involving all 4 shows next year (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/19/cw-crossover-arrow-flash-legends-tomorrow-supergirl) But I think it will only be 4 episodes long. 1 in each show. Still, I'm looking forward that. Last year's Flash/Arrow crossover was really good and in general, whenever the shows crossover a couple characters into an episode, it generally seems to up that show's game for at least that episode like the King Shark episode in Flash and the Flash/Supergirl crossover. Hope they keep that trend going.


I've loved both crossovers WB has done for Flash and Arrow. Last season's crossover was especially good, though. While I enjoyed Vandal Savage in Legend's of Tomorrow, I felt he was at his best in this crossover. Whatever the WB plans for with the four show crossover, I'll be excited for it. Especially can't wait for the next season of Legend's of Tomorrow, because I'm a huge fan of the JSA and those team members. Here's hoping Mr. Terrific manages to fit in somehow.


Going to see Suicide Squad tomorrow with my wife. I'm one of those weird people that didn't hate BvS (didn't love it, either, but it wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be). My expectations aren't super high for it, but I'm hoping to at least enjoy the characters.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2016, 09:46:23 PM
It is important to note that both Batman Beyond and the Killing Joke were done by the same team...so you know similar ideas can be borrowed.

I HATE what they did with Batgirl...but I think people are misreading the scene.  Batgirl is a woman Batman respects, a strong, moral woman who is capable of fighting crime.  However, he still sees her as a girl needing protection.

Barbara is trying to assert she is a woman and not a sidekick capable of fighting equally with Batman.  (She is wrong she isn't.)  She obviously became infatuated with Batman because why else would you become Batgirl?  And she was already fighting a father that didn't treat her like a grown adult.  (This is pulled from Batman the animated series, but I think it is fair, because it is again the same team.)  So she makes a mistake a asserts herself as a grown woman by attacking and sexually advancing on Batman. 

This is where I understand what writers were trying to do, but it doesn't work.  A) Batman is used to villains using sexuality to try to gain an upper hand.  He shouldn't have fallen for her advance.  B)  Batman should have pushed her further away from the case if she is willing to try to sexually exploit the situation your body should not be a weapon/tool in that way.  C)  This pushes the lie that woman achieve equality and power by being just as sexually aggressive/advancing as men.  This is not liberating but actually the opposite it is making women more likely to be victims, not less. 

 
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Post by: UncleBob on August 05, 2016, 12:37:43 AM
Well, Suicide Squad is a movie.  Mostly.

No where near as bad as Batman v. Superman (story, flow, etc.), but the fight scenes were... pretty blah.  The soundtrack overwhelms the ambience of the entire film.  Almost everyone but Quinn and Deadshot seem to be there just to be there (Seriously, Killer Crocker does essentially two things the entire movie.  The first, man, it was a good thing they conveniently needed to go through the sewer.... the second... you have a guy on the team who's singular skill is that he throws things really well.  So, let's have someone else throw the bomb at the end...  and the guy who throws things well?  Yeah, he throws a boomerang for surveillance that gets shot down in about three seconds.  Glad he came along...

I'm not sure who this movie is for.  Casual fans will just be confused and turned off by anything that isn't Will Smith being bad ass (or as close as this movie gets)  Hardcore fans will hate just about everything about it.

Oh well, I'd better stop now, before someone petitions to shut down NWR for giving the movie a bad review.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 05, 2016, 10:58:39 PM
So I watched Suicide Squad today. Now, keep in mind that I enjoyed BvS despite it's gaping flaws, but I really liked the movie. I've just accepted that the DC movieverse is completely different from how I'd prefer it to be, with the CWverse being more in line of what I want.


I enjoyed the characters, from Deadshot and Harley, to even Diablo (who I think is an unsung star of this film). Yeah, the story might not be the greatest in terms of a threat. Yes, a new city is in danger, and there's an ominous thing in the sky going on. Yet I enjoyed seeing these characters get into this crazy situation and try to work together and stop it.


I think people will either love or hate Leto's Joker. I thought he was fine. What works is that they sold the relationship between him and Harley. I can't imagine the Ledger Joker having Harley around, but for Leto's it made sense.
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Post by: Stogi on August 06, 2016, 01:47:48 PM
Everytime I see this thread I want to post stuff about the District of Columbia (where I live).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2016, 01:59:11 PM
Suicide Squad was good.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 06, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
Everytime I see this thread I want to post stuff about the District of Columbia (where I live).

Wait, you live in DC? I live in Silver Spring.
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Post by: Plugabugz on August 06, 2016, 02:48:31 PM
This movie felt like more setup for later movies rather than anything about itself (like Guardians of the Galaxy) and felt like what it did didn't really matter.

Half way through i felt like the movie simply came out at the wrong time in the timeline, knowing Justice League is next year.
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Post by: Stogi on August 06, 2016, 03:14:14 PM
Everytime I see this thread I want to post stuff about the District of Columbia (where I live).

Wait, you live in DC? I live in Silver Spring.

Vienna , VA
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2016, 07:10:45 PM
I don't know how legit this is, and I haven't seen Suicide Squad yet, but we all know how pissed off Jared Leto was that most of his scenes were cut from the movie right?

Well there is rumor that there will be a "Ultimate Cut" of SS that puts the rest of the movie back together again, so with that said...

this is from Reddit, and like I said before I don't know how legit it is, but this is a supposed list of all the deleted scenes (from the original cut shown to test audiences) missing in the theatrical cut (that was recut by the same team that cut the trailers for the movie)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/683dd8c7ebda23e748efc391ed232efc/tumblr_obgq093tza1s5zf6fo1_1280.jpg)

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  • In early cuts, the movie's opening detailed June Moon's posession by Enchantress in real tome. Reshoots reshuffled the scene to be later in the movie in flashback form in favour of a new opening centered on Deadshot.
  • Deadshot in the prison cell, watching the rain fall and thinking about his daughter.
  • El Diablo observing the flame of a lit match, before putting it out due to his vow to no longer use his powers.
  • El Diablo being escorted to a training center by being placed in a tube that fills with water to quel his flames, and then unceremoniously dropped onto the ground.
  • Early interviews showed Captain Boomerang's racism and sexism, but the movie is light on examples of such behaviour, which have apparently been deleted. Most of them were reportedly directed at Katana, to whom Boomerang is attracted to.
  • Early reports indicated more backstory for Killer Croc, revealing that he entire life as a social outcast due to his physical appearancr and has convinced himself that he is beautiful in his own way. Croc crossed paths with Batman while working as muscle-for-hire for numerous Gotham's crime bosses, while secretly planning to take over one day. There were also scenes displaying his affinity for making sculptures out of discarded materials. Aside from jokes about Croc viewing himself as 'beautiful,' one of these were retained in the final cut.
  • Also deleted was a scene where he becomes sick at the helicopter escort to Midway City, throws up half-digested pieces of goat, and then eats them again, disgusting the nearby Navy Seals.
  • Early cuts reportedly included a passing reference to Slipknot being serial rapist, likely to further paint him as unsympathetic to the audience ahead of his own death.
  • More scenes of Rick Flag and June Moon's romantic relationship, including him reading the files of the Suicide Squad recruits after Waller delivers them to him.
  • Another scene where Flag and Moon are out on a date.
  • "Extended scene of Joker interrogating Captain Griggs, including the line, "I can't wait to show you my toys," which was in every trailer, but was removed from the movie."
  • Joker and his men escaping after shooting up a restaurant. Harley, who is already affiliated with the Joker, follows them on a motorcycle and intercepts their car. Joker bangs his head against the glass in frustration.
  • Joker and Harley then get into a fight, which ends with Harley pointing a gun at Joker's head. Joker sweet-talks Harley into lowering the gun, charming her, then backhands her across the face. Afterwards he sweet-talks her again and they kiss.
  • Extended Ace Chemicals scene where Harley jumps into the chemicals. More bits of dialogue from Joker.
  • Extended Batmobile chase scene with more interaction between Joker and Harley. One of the examples, presented in all the trailers, is the Joker punching the roof of his car.
  • Harley using her baseball bat as a mock gun to play shoot at invisible foes.
  • Extended scene of Joker breaking into the nanobomb manufacture facility to arrange for Harley's neck-bomb to be disabled.
  • More interactions between Harley and Boomerang. Early cuts apparently included her really disliking him despite growing affectionate to all the other members of the squad.
  • Extended bar scene with Harley taking everyone's orders. Deadshot calls for a shot, Katana wants whiskey, Croc and Boomerang settle for beer, Harley asks Diablo wants and he prefers water which she jokes, "is a good idea." The scene was featured in the trailers, but in the movie it cuts directly to Deadshot's speech about them all almost pulling the mission off.
  • Removed several scenes with the Joker to repaint his relationship with Harley as more loving rather than abusive.
  • Joker and Harley get into an argument after he rescues her in the hijacked helicopter. In early cuts he reportedly pushes her out to kill her, then the helicopter gets shot down. This was apparently reworked into the helicopter getting shot down first and Joker pushing her out to save her.
  • Joker returns during the final battle in the subway station, face half-burnt from the helicopter crash, which apparently leads to a brief altercation with the Squad. He calls for Harley to escape with him but she refuses for once in order to help her friends, and the Joker escapes after throwing a live grenade at the group to cover his own escape.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2016, 09:33:26 AM
So, yet another movie that's supposed to be saved by it's Director's Cut?
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Post by: Plugabugz on August 08, 2016, 01:08:46 PM
It should have been in this order:

Batman (although this would have been one year after Dark Knight Rises, so unlikely to have happened)
Man of Steel (which makes the Wayne Enterprises references make sense)
Wonder Woman
BVS (dropping all the JL bits and instead making them appear in the four previous films as cameos)
Suicide Squad
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2016, 07:49:58 PM
Looks like MoS2 got the official greenlight.
http://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-puts-man-of-steel-sequel-into-active-development-exclusive/
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Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2016, 09:14:51 PM
I wonder who the villain will be?  I'm guessing either Brainiac or Metallo.  Lobo (but only Ron Perlman) could work and even tie in to the JL film, with Lobo looking to collect a bounty set up by Darkseid.

I think, if they really wanted to do a "soft" reboot and just completely shift the tone and breath life into the film, they should go with Simon Pegg as Manchester Black.  I think with a little hair dye and a badass jacket, he'd be perfect.  Might be a good way for Superman to re-establish a moral highground.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
well, Geoff Johns(?) is in charge now right, and he is a comic guy, so probably the best thing Snyder did in BvS was kill his version of Superman so that Johns can re-invent him into the Supes he is supposed to be.
We've only seen a small snippet of JL so far, but it appears to carry on with the grim-dark (just like SS), so maybe slipping in a MoS2 inbetween JL1 & JL2 would also allow them to lighten up the DCCU a little bit.

I just hope Snyder is NOT directing it, as I think he already made his bed and should focus on making JL an actual good movie before DC makes him stand in the corner w/ a producer credit and no directorial efforts going forward.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 08, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
I wonder who the villain will be?  I'm guessing either Brainiac or Metallo.  Lobo (but only Ron Perlman) could work and even tie in to the JL film, with Lobo looking to collect a bounty set up by Darkseid.

I think, if they really wanted to do a "soft" reboot and just completely shift the tone and breath life into the film, they should go with Simon Pegg as Manchester Black.  I think with a little hair dye and a badass jacket, he'd be perfect.  Might be a good way for Superman to re-establish a moral highground.  Bu


If DC doesn't use Brainiac or Metallo for the next movie, an adaptation of What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, & the American Way would be a wise decision for them to make. It's the perfect way to recenter Superman back to where he should be.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2016, 10:27:11 PM
I just hope Snyder is NOT directing it, as I think he already made his bed and should focus on making JL an actual good movie before DC makes him stand in the corner w/ a producer credit and no directorial efforts going forward.

That presumes WB cares about making a good movie.  They know what the returns will look like for Justice League and MoS2.  The problem is whether or not the audience is already turned off enough.  The sad part of that is it'll basically bring down WW's box office, which WB can write-off as "Nobody wants to see movies starring chicks".

I wonder who the villain will be?  I'm guessing either Brainiac or Metallo.  Lobo (but only Ron Perlman) could work and even tie in to the JL film, with Lobo looking to collect a bounty set up by Darkseid.

I think, if they really wanted to do a "soft" reboot and just completely shift the tone and breath life into the film, they should go with Simon Pegg as Manchester Black.  I think with a little hair dye and a badass jacket, he'd be perfect.  Might be a good way for Superman to re-establish a moral highground.


If DC doesn't use Brainiac or Metallo for the next movie, an adaptation of What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, & the American Way would be a wise decision for them to make. It's the perfect way to recenter Superman back to where he should be.

Agreed.  And they already have an animated adaptation of that story that can be used as a starting point.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 08, 2016, 11:33:08 PM


If DC doesn't use Brainiac or Metallo for the next movie, an adaptation of What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, & the American Way would be a wise decision for them to make. It's the perfect way to recenter Superman back to where he should be.

Agreed.  And they already have an animated adaptation of that story that can be used as a starting point.


That's a good film. Not my favorite DC animation (Red Hood is my favorite), but I enjoyed it. All they need to do is just make it live action and stick to the script.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 10, 2016, 07:58:14 PM
finally watched Suicide Squad. I can now use the internet again.

I thought the movie was decent in a good way. It had issues, but was better than something like Batman and Robin, or a few of the X-men movies. The problem with the movie was not content. The content was all good. The problem was structure. I liked all the portrayals of all the characters. Croc could have been taller. Though the Joker was great, I saw glimpses of the Mark Hamil and some Cesar Romero Joker in there. I wish they fleshed out Slipknot a little more, but I love what they did with his character.

So on to spoiler chat because its easier, also Inglorious Basterd's spoilers

I laughed really hard when they killed slipknot, mainly because he's a useless character that just ties knots. I wish there was more Joker, I liked this gangster realistic scarface version of joker. He seems kind of like a real world Joker to some extent. Definitely need to buy the extended cut. Enchantress was cool as ****. She reminded me of something out of Eternal Darkness, a real lovecraftian character. They over CG'd her brother and his monions. I didn't like how they set up the story. As I said the movies content was good, but its structure was bad.

The movie is essentially what happens when you cross a dirty dozen(havent watched dirty dozen) and Escape from New York. Escape from New York is weird because its a movie where I love the characters, but don't find the movie otherwise particularly spectacular. Take Escape from New York and add 45 minutes of exposition.

A better movie to compare this to is Inglorious Basterds. Inglorious Basterd's does it right. Its a Men on a Mission movie and manages to get around the plot structure correctly. There are short vignettes during the movie that tell some of the characters backstories. Inglorious Basterds actually had to cut some of these. One time during an independent film festival I saw someone who directed an unauthorized Donnie Donnowitz vignette that was what had been in the script and got cut out. Good stuff.

The main problem with this movie is editing.
What they should have done was:
Made the June Moon Enchantress story longer. 10 minutes of her origin story would have been enough to set up the movie. It should have been Enchantress Story all lumped together and Extended. No separation of character arcs until the threat is established.

Alternatively. The movie could have started off telling the story of Harley Quinn. She's Obviously the most liked character in the movie. If they had extended her stuff and then moved on from there, that would have worked.

For the most part I think the movie succeeded doing what it needed to do, but I think had they formatted it structurally better it could have came together. It would have been better if it had a strong establishment of the 3 act structure instead of meandering through the parts. The climax was also a lamer version of ghost busters.

I've read the Star Wars script ,and if anyone else has read it you would know that structurally it is a mess, and the movie saved by smart editing.


I'd give the movie a 7.8, not this 22% the internet has been giving it.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2016, 08:47:26 PM
22% was the Tomato Meter - I think it's actually settled at around 27% now, but that just means that out of all the critics reviews, 27% gave it a favorable rating (5/10 and above?).

It didn't seem nearly as bad as most critics reviewed it, even thought it still had some of the problems they just couldn't seem to get past. But over all it was an entertaining movie, even if it was heavily flawed, so that puts it above MoS and BvS in my book.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 11, 2016, 12:44:57 AM
The other thing about the 22-27% it seemed that a whole ton of the early reviews were actually by people who weren't particularly comic book fans or at least dc fans. There is a whole thing where the ones who are fans do not need all the back stories or motivations. There were some things in the movie where I could see if I didn't already know the characters their motivations wouldn't have made a lot of sense. When I was laughing at slipknots death, my mom asked why I laughed, I told her he's a useless character, all he does is tie knots.

The problem with having so many ensemble character movies so early on is that they tend to have a blender feeling and have to spend some extra time in exposition. A movie like civil war relies on the exposition in other movies.  On the other hand I can see these movies actually catching up to Marvel pretty soon.

The next set of movies is going to be Batman and Wonder Woman and Justice League. I'm most excited for the Batman movie. I just wonder what they hell are they going to do with it?

In an Alternate universe Heath Ledger wouldn't have died and the sequel to the Dark Knight would have been the beginning of the DC universe. Or alternatively, they would have made better choices with Green Lantern and that would have kicked off the DC universe.

I mean with Green Lantern if they decided not to CG his suit and given him a cool villain then I bet it would have taken off.

I need a Rick and Morty cable box.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 11, 2016, 09:08:53 PM
When I was laughing at slipknots death, my mom asked why I laughed, I told her he's a useless character, all he does is tie knots.

The next set of movies is going to be Batman and Wonder Woman and Justice League. I'm most excited for the Batman movie. I just wonder what they hell are they going to do with it?

In an Alternate universe Heath Ledger wouldn't have died and the sequel to the Dark Knight would have been the beginning of the DC universe. Or alternatively, they would have made better choices with Green Lantern and that would have kicked off the DC universe.

I mean with Green Lantern if they decided not to CG his suit and given him a cool villain then I bet it would have taken off.


     
 
  As soon as they introduced Slipknot, I knew he wasn't long for the movie. They needed someone to try and escape to show that Waller meant business, and it wasn't going to be Boomerang. I found it funny as well, though.


 I'd still argue that the Green Lantern movie wasn't as bad as many make it out to be. Ryan Reynolds was perfectly fine as Hal Jordan, but just needed better material to work with. I think the movie would've been better keeping it Earth focused, then introduce the Corps at the end. Maybe start off with Dr. Light as the villain. Not a five star villain, but since he can manipulate GL constructs, it could've been a nice face off.
 
 I'm excited to see what they do with Wonder Woman and Batman. I like Affleck's Batman, and Leto's Joker, so it should be a fun film.
 
 On Flash TV news, it looks like they're finally introducing Mirror Master in season 3. I can't wait, as the Rogues are my favorite part of the Flash mythos, and Mirror Master is my favorite Rogue.

 
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Post by: UncleBob on August 12, 2016, 04:04:42 AM
Suicide Squad spoilers: Aside from Harley, Deadshot, and *maybe* Diablo, Slipnot was really the other member of the team that helped serve a purpose.  I wouldn't have put it past Waller to have had him and Boomerrang on the team just so she could show she was serious without risking one of the teammates that actually helped.

Green Lantern.  Ugh.  You have a character with 60+ years worth of stories to work from and you take the basic idea from one of the most ill-conceived stories of the 'event' era and you actually make it *worse*...

This seems to be the major difference between DC and Marvel.  Marvel has comic creators  (who are fans) working on every aspect of the movies - and it shows, right down to the wings on Cap's costume.  Warner has movie people making movies - and they have no respect for the characters who have been around for upwards of 75 years.

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Post by: Adrock on August 12, 2016, 05:23:40 AM
I'm too lazy to write about how bad Suicide Squad was. I didn't hate it like Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, but I didn't like it either. I'll get back to this.

My problem with Green Latern was all the Earth stuff. I thought the best parts were on Oa.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 12, 2016, 07:41:03 AM
The thing with Green Lantern, is that it was originally done by the very guy that is now doing DCTV on The CW, but much like with BvS, SS, (and supposedly WW as well (http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/an-open-letter-to-warner-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-about-layoffs-zack-snyder-and-donuts.php) :( ) the studio came in and made executive decisions about the direction of the film, therefore making drastic changes to the script.

Apparently the original script was much better, but the studio wanted a GIANT enemy event at the end, but really just messed up most of the movie and left us with that mess.

Luckily Berlanti found his success on TV and the movie division continues to be a hot mess.

Actually, until the most recent change with WB/DC to get a Comic guy at the top to oversee their cinematic universe direction, They wouldn't even allow the comic people to be involved in the movies at all. When they should have been tapping the then excellent Animated DC storytellers to give original script treatments to the movie people, they blocked them out, citing that they don't know anything about movies or something ridiculous like that.

I'm hoping that if DC takes anything from the outline Marvel has laid out, is that they not only lay out an actual plan, but hire someone to make sure all the movies stay on the path (for continuity reasons). and let the comic people, you know, the people that actually know the characters you're making movies about, deliver script treatments, and just generally be involved in the movie process, so we get good, faithful to an extent, characters in good movies that make sense as a whole.
Right now the DCCU is a mess, and they seem to be creating the path as they go forward, crossing bridges as they get there.

This would have made sense for Marvel to do 8 years ago, as they were trailblazing this approach, but even back then they had a general plan laid out. They just weren't sure if they were going to be able to execute it all, since they were a brand new studio tied a company with history of money troubles. DC doesn't have that excuse as they've been owned by WB forever.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 12, 2016, 08:37:48 PM
Maybe with the mixed reactions WB is getting with their comic films, they might let the comics division have more say into the film universe. One can only dream, right?


And I accept that I'm in the minority about the Green Lantern movie. I think growing up with Kyle Rayner as my GL probably makes me wish for a more Earth focused Lantern movie over a space story. I knew the movie was in trouble when I went to a Walmart, and all the GL figures were alien Lanterns I had never heard of besides mainstays like Killowog.


And regardless of what anyone else say about the film, Carol Ferris calling Hal out and recognizing him instantly is one of my favorite bits in any super hero film. It's about time they tried that with a hero.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 12, 2016, 10:54:53 PM
The Green Lantern is an odd one. If I look back at the individual pieces, there are several nitpickey issues, but no major issues I can put my finger on. Just a bunch of small mistakes that take it off course.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 13, 2016, 12:25:49 AM
well here's the original script
http://www.digititles.com/movies/green-lantern-2011/scripts/script-first-draft-june-2008

I haven't read it, but since you like the movie that was made, you can compare with the movie that almost was and see which one you actually preferred.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 13, 2016, 03:55:41 PM
well here's the original script
http://www.digititles.com/movies/green-lantern-2011/scripts/script-first-draft-june-2008

I haven't read it, but since you like the movie that was made, you can compare with the movie that almost was and see which one you actually preferred.

I don't know if I like it, I just can't point to specific reasons why I dislike it. I'm 3/4 the way through the script and it does seem better overall. The main enemy is Legion instead of Parralax, and characters have more development. It's still a huge chunk of lore to jam into one movie.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 13, 2016, 09:23:59 PM
well here's the original script
http://www.digititles.com/movies/green-lantern-2011/scripts/script-first-draft-june-2008 (http://www.digititles.com/movies/green-lantern-2011/scripts/script-first-draft-june-2008)

I haven't read it, but since you like the movie that was made, you can compare with the movie that almost was and see which one you actually preferred.


Thanks, I'll have to check that later. I still find it bizarre that Parallax was chosen as the main villain. While I think Hector Hammond is a goofy looking villain, I have to give the actor credit for at least giving it his all with the role.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 14, 2016, 02:26:26 AM
I thought the set up for future Green Lantern movies laid forth in the first was actually done well, but the studio pulled the plug. Considering how the studio treats the movies, we have to worry. They need to know they are beholden to the fans on a much deeper level than if they are making a regular movie.

The only thing WB has really done right in the last several years is Harry Potter. It's much easier for them to adapt a specific book than it is to adapt a vague idea of a plot from a diversely written 75+ year old super-verse.

If I were WB at this point. I would just hire 10 of DC's best writers and tell them to create a special Graphic Novel series that will be the basis for the future movies. They pretty much have to just regurgitate the existing plot-lines, but do it in a coherent way with real continuity. You create the DC bible, and then you develop it from there.

You can't have some fucking eccentric execs putting their input everywhere. Won't work.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 14, 2016, 08:16:03 AM
Honestly, if the DCU had any semblance of stability, a couple hardbound collections of the major "events" over years, retold to fit the current continuity would be a great buy/read.  Kinda like how they did the Secret Origins line to redo some of the origin stories post-Crisis.

But I'm worried WB might double-down on studio exec input.  They might see that approach as "what works" based on other films and not drill down to see what works for comic book based movies.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 14, 2016, 04:48:23 PM
Just saw Suicide Squad.  I overall liked it a lot!  I'm genuinely shocked at the reviews.  The movie had some issues, but damn!  I have some nits to pick and one issue with the film only developing the "star" characters.  I'll type out some more thoughts after processing it a bit more and when the statute of limitations is up on spoilers.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 29, 2016, 06:45:05 PM
Finally something to get HYPED about!!

Straight from Ben Affleck on facebook
(http://i.imgur.com/StuO9Jz.gif)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 29, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
Wonder how many people are going to think Deathstroke is a ripoff of Deadpool...
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Post by: ThePerm on August 29, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
Deathstroke's real name is.... Slade Wilson.

The creater of Deadpool drew a picture of Deadpool and turned to his peer, his peer said "well, he looks awesome, but thats Deathstroke."
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 29, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Batman: Stroke of Death
or
Batman v Deathstroke

I just really wonder if this is JL related or Batman solo teaser.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 29, 2016, 07:38:00 PM
Hmm, I actually think these shots look less than Steller. But i'd wait to see more for true judgment.
I've been excited about the Ben Affleck Batman movie because all his other movies have been good.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 29, 2016, 08:41:39 PM
Finally something to get HYPED about!!

Straight from Ben Affleck on facebook
(http://i.imgur.com/StuO9Jz.gif)

TV Version for Comparison

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/strolekbest_zps5n7anyyu.gif) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/shyguy70/media/strolekbest_zps5n7anyyu.gif.html)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 29, 2016, 08:52:10 PM
TV version looks cooler. Almost.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 29, 2016, 09:05:21 PM
TV version looks cooler. Almost.

Agreed. I sort of dislike power ranger looking characters. They missed a golden opportunity with Green Goblin, although to be fair the movie was still pretty good. As you said, they kinda average out. The TV version looks like a real merc, the movie version looks like a cyborg.

Deathstroke is kinda a character I'm not too familiar with, is he always in a warehouse?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 29, 2016, 09:11:11 PM
The TV version's look was almost perfect...but they introduced him too early.  He would have been a great villain for a team up and really focus on his skill and abilities.

I do not know if this is JL related or if it is just test footage.  I hope this isn't test footage for a Batman film, because I was hoping they would go into Batman's past and tell an earlier Batman story focusing on Batman's detective skills and stealth and less his fighting ability.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 29, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
TV Version looks like a hardened mercenary.
Test Footage looks like a (cyborg) character from Mortal Kombat

that said, they both look pretty badass, which is more a compliment for the TV version considering they had practically no budget with a Big5 Sporting Goods gift card and 2 cans of spraypaint.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 29, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
TV Version looks like a hardened mercenary.
Test Footage looks like a (cyborg) character from Mortal Kombat

that said, they both look pretty badass, which is more a compliment for the TV version considering they had practically no budget with a Big5 Sporting Goods gift card and 2 cans of spraypaint.

the other thing about the tv version...it kinda reminds me of my mad max Halloween costume.
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Post by: Lucario on August 29, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
I gotta admit it looks cool
#totallydintcomeheretoadvertisemymafiagame.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 29, 2016, 10:02:33 PM
As a Teen Titans fan, I'm always happy to see Deathstroke pop up. Loved him in Arrow, and I wish he'd make a return one of these days. While I'm sure they won't do it for the movie, I hope they show a few moments of his not so evil side, like with his kids.
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Post by: Lucario on August 30, 2016, 04:00:51 PM
Please tell me you don't like Teen Titans Go!
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
I thought I would hate Teen Titans Go...and not every episode is funny, and I do wish they could balance out the formula and have the same comedy and silly style but still tell a story with action occasionally.  But there are some episodes that are brilliantly funny.
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Post by: Lucario on August 30, 2016, 04:33:54 PM
But most of them...
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 30, 2016, 04:47:40 PM
Best part of Teen Titans Go:

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Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Best part of Teen Titans Go:


Quoted for accuracy.

I'm also pro-TTG! but I'll admit it took a while for me to get over what it's not to enjoy it for what it is.  But yeah, the stories are getting stale.  ("Boys are dumb! Girls are great!" *eye roll emoji*)
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Post by: ThePerm on August 30, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
I used to watch that with my nephew....soo weird...but good.

There's that episode with Robin's handsome face, or is there more than one of those episodes?
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Post by: Stogi on August 30, 2016, 11:22:12 PM
I like it. It's easy to put on every once and awhile and listen to some dumb jokes. The music though, as already pointed out, is definitely the best part.

My favorite is this clip


Cracks me up everytime. I forget which beat they stole. I wish I could remember.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 31, 2016, 12:27:28 AM
I like it. It's easy to put on every once and awhile and listen to some dumb jokes. The music though, as already pointed out, is definitely the best part.

My favorite is this clip


Cracks me up everytime. I forget which beat they stole. I wish I could remember.

OMG, which episode number is that? I need to watch the whole thing.

and Lucario can hate on TTGo all he wants, but I enjoy it from time to time.
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Post by: lolmonade on August 31, 2016, 06:43:42 AM
As a parent of two small boys, Teen Titans Go is probably my favorite thing to watch with them.  I'm not sure if Lucario's gripes are because it's not story driven like the early 2000's version was, or the zany nature of the current show doesn't jive with a lot of DC's other properties, but most of the episodes I've seen have been fun, silly stories.  There have even been a few episodes I've seen that have made a point to be self-deprecating, such as one where they make a point to be "super serious", changing their animation style to look all bulky and brooding while fighting crime, and one which covers the topic of cartoon violence, and the characters playing in different animation styles to match loony-tunes, and old anime to gauge what makes violence "acceptable".


If you're looking for a short, silly cartoon with a superhero premise, can't do much better than this show.  Reminds me of old Powerpuff Girls episodes in the good ways.
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Post by: TofuFury on August 31, 2016, 08:07:42 PM
Please tell me you don't like Teen Titans Go!


I haven't been able to watch it, so I can't give much of an opinion either way. I did love the 2000's Teen Titans, though. I was a huge Young Justice fan, and really hope Netflix gets to make season 3 one day. I love DC's teen hero roster, and Young Justice might be my favorite animated show that DC has ever done. Brave and the Bold is a close second, because it managed to fit serious stories with humor and a deep love of DC's vast roster.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 01, 2016, 04:31:13 PM
I saw Suicide Squad a little while back. Lots to likebut also quite flawed. When it repeatedly devolved into blah boring action it was not good.
Then I watched Assault on Arkham. Again lots to like but also flawed. It was ... just OK.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 01, 2016, 06:49:49 PM
I really want to see the original Edit of the movie with all the deleted scenes (Directors Cut) without the Deadpool make over throughout. 

The movie as it is...just feels like a music video or video cinematic. 


Finishing my thoughts:


The movie looks like it should have a different feel.  Again it feels more like a tragedy/horror film.  With the known cuts showing Harley Quinn being in an abusive relationship and dealing with Enchantress trapping Col. Flag's Girlfriend...the movie should have been about a team that is dysfunctional and about to kill each other but someone manages to make it out alive.


I don't have proof but I think all the true character development must have been cut out of the film because it focused on why the characters a villains and should be despised instead of the audience rooting for them.  I think Captain Boomerang should have been a racist and sexist like in the comic.  That there is this fear Col. Flag has about being betrayed to the point he brings in Katana to secret watch his back.


What is interesting is I believe this movie may have existed at one point and then it was changed.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 02, 2016, 02:32:03 AM
From all indications that is what happened.  The Joker was supposed to be abusive to Harley. At one point she was supposed to tell him to **** off.  They would of course make up later because that's what redneck couples do.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 02, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
Just adding my two cents that Teen Titans Go is probably the best DC property active in TV/Film right now.  Granted, that's not really saying a whole lot - but it really is a great show to kill 10 mins now and then.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 02, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Just adding my two cents that Teen Titans Go is probably the best DC property active in TV/Film right now.  Granted, that's not really saying a whole lot - but it really is a great show to kill 10 mins now and then.

Actually WB DC TV shows are really killing it.  The Arrow although not as great as previous seasons is entertaining and feels comic accurate as does The Flash.  Super girl had some problems in the first season, but perhaps the second season and move to a new network will give it the freedom to embrace the Super-Property more and move away from singularly focused girl power aspect of the show. 

Teen Titans Go isn't a bad show, it is actually quite creative and if the show didn't replace Young Justice it would have been better received, but one of the best DC animated shows was cancelled too early.  And that was a shame...and it created a lot of backlash for the shows that replaced it.

I am curious about the new Justice League cartoon series that will come out...it has high standards to live up too.  I like the art style and I don't mind playful art styles, but the stories need to be strong and it can be comical, but it needs to not be geared to less children.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2016, 05:18:49 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/geoff-johns-on-the-future-of-dc-movies-relax-were-cha-1786394751?

Jeoff Johns is "rebirthing" the DCCU to have more hope and optimism. Plans to address all the things that were "off" in BvS.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2016, 10:12:51 AM
Actually WB DC TV shows are really killing it.  The Arrow although not as great as previous seasons is entertaining and feels comic accurate as does The Flash.  Super girl had some problems in the first season, but perhaps the second season and move to a new network will give it the freedom to embrace the Super-Property more and move away from singularly focused girl power aspect of the show.

Arrow has tanked in quality compared to earlier seasons.  And I am so over the Felicity drama.

Flash is pretty awesome.

Supergirl... Meh.  The Flash episode was the best thing out of it.  I haven't given up on it, but I wouldn't have cried if it had just been cancelled instead of moving to CW.

I noticed you left out Legends of Tomorrow... ;)
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Post by: nickmitch on September 09, 2016, 04:00:01 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/geoff-johns-on-the-future-of-dc-movies-relax-were-cha-1786394751?

Jeoff Johns is "rebirthing" the DCCU to have more hope and optimism. Plans to address all the things that were "off" in BvS.

But is it really the "tone" that's the issue?  Yeah, "dark and gloomy" doesn't work for Superman, but that doesn't change the fact that they made two shitty movies starring the guy.  A solo Bat-fleck-flick could have all the doom and gloom they want, as long as they make it a good movie.  I worry that they know something is wrong, but aren't exactly sure what.
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Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
I thought Man of Steel was okay. It has its problems, but it isn't the dumpster fire Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was. Afleck was the bomb as Batman despite breaking Batman's only two rules... repeatedly.

As far as the DCEU, outside of rebooting the whole thing, barely mentioning or referring to the first three films is probably Geoff Johns best move here. Still, I'll never understand why Warner Bros. didn't at least attempt to hand the keys over to Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, explicitly telling the latter that Batman doesn't **** Batgirl. They successfully made the DCAu, just make a live action one.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 09, 2016, 04:41:47 PM
BvS was definitely the worse of the two, but I still can't get over how they treat Clark Kent like a non-character and how Superman has the personality of a cardboard cutout.

But yeah, it's weird that they have competent storytellers on payroll that they aren't tapping.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 09, 2016, 07:08:28 PM
Actually WB DC TV shows are really killing it.  The Arrow although not as great as previous seasons is entertaining and feels comic accurate as does The Flash.  Super girl had some problems in the first season, but perhaps the second season and move to a new network will give it the freedom to embrace the Super-Property more and move away from singularly focused girl power aspect of the show.

Arrow has tanked in quality compared to earlier seasons.  And I am so over the Felicity drama.

Flash is pretty awesome.

Supergirl... Meh.  The Flash episode was the best thing out of it.  I haven't given up on it, but I wouldn't have cried if it had just been cancelled instead of moving to CW.

I noticed you left out Legends of Tomorrow... ;)

I usually write inbetween classes so ran out of time.  Legends of Tomorrow was a good premise ruined by bad writing.  Seriously that writing team sucked.  They could have told the entire Vandal Savage story in 5 episodes and had a much stronger, better realistic story...then have the rest of the season be them out laws with Chronos chasing them...do the betrayal of Heatwave and Captain Cold killing him, then a planned attack on the Time Masters because they are going to reverse the death of Savage...they are stopped by Chronos and captured only to reveal Chronos is Heatwave...and move into the final arc of the season.  Simple 13 episode series with a few throw away episodes for team bonding and teaching the audience the rules of time travel in this universe.  Finally I would of had an epilogue season finale episode showing them as their new role working together as the new time masters and then do the cliffhanger from the final episode. 
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Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Legends of Tomorrow was just a complete cluster from the outset.  I liked the *idea*, but you are correct - the team handling the series just had no idea what they were doing.  They would explain the rules of time travel, then change them in the next episode ("we have to hurry up and stop the Soviets from building an army of Firestorm soldiers before this future timeline sets and we can't stop it!"  Never mind the fact that the entire premise of the show is set on changing the timeline by killing Savage in various random years waaaay before he takes over the world...)

Ugh.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2016, 10:29:59 AM
Looks like DCTVerse will have another property brought to the small screen
http://collider.com/black-lightning-tv-series-fox-greg-berlanti/

This one is dropping on Fox, but who knows... maybe if it's any good, S2 will move to The DCW like Supergirl, to join the Berlantiverse
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
What team wrote Young Justice? Get those guys to write the next movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 25, 2016, 11:52:44 PM
Looks like Batman movie is happening sooner rather than later
http://batman-news.com/2016/09/25/ben-affleck-batman-march-2018-production/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: TofuFury on September 26, 2016, 10:10:41 PM
I enjoyed Legend's of Tomorrow, even though it had problems. It at least had fun here and there and didn't take itself too seriously. I enjoyed most of the characters on the show, and I'm glad there's a series for them. I can still enjoy a flawed tv show if I like the people in it.


That said, I have high hopes for Season 2. I'm a huge Justice Society fan, and they're adding the characters I want to see on TV (Hourman, Mid-Nite, and Stargirl). I'm hoping there's more direction in this season and the writers feel more comfortable writing an ensemble cast.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 26, 2016, 11:29:03 PM
Since the DCCU killed off Clark Kent along w/ *SPOILER* Jimmy Olsen *SPOILER*, it looks like it's up to DCTVU to fill that void (and appear to be doing it better than the movies did anyway ;))

Clark Kent/Superman & Supergirl
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/26/supergirl-superman-season-2
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Post by: ThePerm on September 29, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
I thought the people on these forums would appreciate this video


I was looking for a Night begins to Shine Cover.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2016, 09:47:41 PM
I thought the people on these forums would appreciate this video


I was looking for a Night begins to Shine Cover.

YEAH!!!!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2016, 10:28:54 PM
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 07, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
When you look at shots of BVS on the green screen it looks really fun. And then they add gloomy backgrounds and take all the color out. Zach Snyder may be better at ensemble though. Dawn of the Dead and Watchmen were alright. He's such a mixed bag director.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: supermario2k on October 09, 2016, 06:40:36 AM
Doesn't all discussion of the "DC Cinematic universe" rightfully belong in the fun house? Or are there people honestly trying to take it seriously at this point?

Not that I didn't enjoy Batman Vs. Superman (just because DC is a joke and can't spell doesn't mean I have to indulge their delusion) wait, me correcting someone's spelling, reality TV star running for President, Ben Affleck as Batman, women pretending to be Ghostbusters, it must truly be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2016, 07:52:28 PM
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 03, 2016, 10:31:08 PM
hmm

Diana travels from the bright a sunny island to the grim dark stage of World War I. At least her outfit still looks blue, red and gold and wasn't completely desaturated.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
I just now watched the trailer. Certainly nothing to get HYPED about, but it doesn't look terrible, could even be pretty decent if not actually entertaining. DCCU potentially moving in the right direction.
BvS was a steep decline, and SS was still in the hole, but trying to climb back out. Could WW be the hand gripping the surface? Will it pull the DCCU out of the hole in hopes that Snyder doestn't "This is Sparta" them all right back in with JL?
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Post by: ThePerm on November 04, 2016, 03:34:07 AM
I like that she's the only thing not desaurated. It seems like she brings color back to the land of grey.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 04, 2016, 09:01:50 AM
I think it looks pretty good. Also, DC gets the nod for having the first "CU" female superhero movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2016, 06:56:53 PM
By "CU" I assume you mean "in the movies"

otherwise technically, Quake counts, and so does Jessica Jones.


edit: I just realized you said superhero movie.
for some reason my mind left that last word out...
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2016, 06:58:40 AM
I finished Legends of Tomorrow S1 and I don't get the boos this is getting from people. It is a ridiculously fun time travel adventure story. It was fun and a lot less serious than Arrow. Still working of Arrow S4 and Flash S2, but those are held up by waiting for time with the wife.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2016, 09:11:39 PM
The EPIC DCTVU Crossover event is coming up.

DC gets to beat Marvel to the punch once again, upping the ante on the small screen, where as a collection of connected shows, it reigns supreme.


The Flash, Arrow, Supergirl & Legends of Tomorrow in a 4 part crossover.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, & Thursday!? That's pretty crazy.

edit: and I swear I saw (a new?) Deathstroke in the 2nd promo!


hmmmm
(http://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14462986_1153912011360731_4205920213219481694_n.jpg?oh=f8904b066153baee428d3145b7832d06&oe=58CFB2EB)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2016, 03:59:43 PM
New 2 minute trailer. As more or less a fan of all 4 shows, this looks pretty fun

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 14, 2016, 06:56:37 AM
Ayer is coming back to DC, and this time it's for a chick flick

(http://i.imgur.com/Z6c5lLr.png)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 14, 2016, 02:10:12 PM
DC Sirens could be a cool product.  However, the DC universe has not confirmed Batman's allies, so it makes it harder.

Personally, if I was to do this movie, I would do it as a movie taking place after Suicide Squad and treat it like a sequel.  Harley Quinn has a falling out with the Joker.  And in a solo bank heist gets caught up with Poison Ivy (Like the TV show episode)  Cat Woman gets involved somehow and is kinda a mole/double agent character working with Nightwing or the Birds of Prey. 

Boom you introduce either A)Nightwing into the universe or B)The Birds of Prey Oracle, Black Canary, Huntress, Cat Woman, I dunno on other character (Let's pull Katana from Suicide Squad into the mix for more carryover) Make it a fun comedic vibe, but more lighthearted than even Suicide Squad.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on January 03, 2017, 11:29:53 PM
Just getting caught up on the 'Arrowverse' - can I just say that Hank Henshaw calling himself 'Cyborg Superman' makes absolutly no sense in-universe and annoys me far more than it probably should.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2017, 10:33:06 PM
Green Lantern Corps - written and produced by Goyer
http://deadline.com/2017/01/green-lantern-corps-warner-bros-david-goyer-justin-rhodes-dc-1201884133/
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2017, 12:01:47 AM
Wonder Woman Woes!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rEYHUsEc18&feature=youtu.be&t=6093

:(

Flashpoint to be the new storyline of the Flash solo movie?
might as well schedule The Batman to follow that and kick things off right.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2017, 04:45:10 PM
Flashpoint is a great storyline and probably a good way to showcase the character, but I hope they don't go with the "reboot" angle.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
I think this video made some good points about what is ultimately wrong with the DCCU as it stands right now:
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=bzUoc3FxZXU (https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=bzUoc3FxZXU)

tl:dw
the characters have no depth. no clear character arcs or development. they just are kinda there, and then do stuff.

edit:
to add to it, I think that we;ve seen too many adaptations of the main characters that we've LOVED over the years, and what we get in the DCCU is not what we were expecting. And the fact that we never really get to know the characters, outside of seeing what amazing feats they can accomplish, means that ultimately, as characters, I don't relate to them, don't understand their motivations, and mostly don't care what happens to them outside of the next action set piece.

They didn't need to follow the Marvel formula of several solos before the BIG team-up, but they should have done several team-ups before the big showdown, which may have cameo'd some or most of the Suicide Squad and introduced most if not all of the future Justice league (organically through storytelling) before there was a Suicide Squad movie, and before the showdown between BvS.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
Well, they didn't have the luxury of Batman and Wonder Woman origin films, but they did with Superman.  They still came up completely short in the character development for him.  It's just plain bad storytelling.  It just gets worse when you compound characters into that mess and rush into something.

Smaller team-ups to build into Justice League could've worked, but you'd still need a handful of solo films to bounce those off of.  Maybe Cyborg's origin is in a Batman movie.  Maybe Wonder Woman meets Aquaman in a movie.  Superman meets the Flash.  That could've worked.  Then in the JL movie everyone has a friend they can call in for back up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2017, 11:17:07 PM
for the OP

(http://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Justice-League-first-image.jpg)

(http://heroichollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Justice-League-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2017, 12:00:41 AM
Say what you will about the above characters in Justice League, say what you will about the DCCU so far, but GOTHAM (on Fox) has NAILED the Joker so far. (and The Flash on The CW has a better Flash costume :P)

WB should be ashamed for dumping Jared Leto's joker on us while FOX brought the Joker we actually expected and wanted to life on the small screen instead. Ian from Shameless has the look, the mannerisms, and the laugh. He sounds like Hamill joker from Batman TAS and acts like Ledger Joker from Batman TDK and comes together to make I think the best live action Joker we have seen yet.
It's a damn shame that another studio had to show WB how to creatively develop one of it's iconic characters, and they did it on a TV budget.. on network TV. It's a damn shame he can't be Joker in the movies too. Jared needs to tune in and find some new motivation for his portrayal.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Flash looks like he's in a robot suit, and Cyborg looks like a Michael Bay Transformer.

These are the hottest takes I could come up with.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on January 24, 2017, 08:59:17 AM
for the OP

(http://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Justice-League-first-image.jpg)

(http://heroichollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Justice-League-1-1.jpg)

You want me to sully the original post with that?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
of course not.... I almost didn't post it at all, but I figured, Hey! DC's got stuff too, so I might as well share, even if it is not exactly the stuff we wanted (unless it's on TV).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2017, 09:11:40 PM
Wonder Woman Woes!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rEYHUsEc18&feature=youtu.be&t=6093

:(

Flashpoint to be the new storyline of the Flash solo movie?
might as well schedule The Batman to follow that and kick things off right.

Looks like I might be right after all....

WB ordered a page 1 rewrite of The Flash script.
my guess is a Snyderless reboot, using time travel by The Flash and leading into The Batman, and then Justice League 2
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/joby-harold-the-flash-script-rewrite-1201969977/
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 25, 2017, 10:00:19 PM
of course not.... I almost didn't post it at all, but I figured, Hey! DC's got stuff too, so I might as well share, even if it is not exactly the stuff we wanted (unless it's on TV).

Also, I thought Superman died.... Why is he still alive in that top pic? ;D
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2017, 10:56:18 PM
of course not.... I almost didn't post it at all, but I figured, Hey! DC's got stuff too, so I might as well share, even if it is not exactly the stuff we wanted (unless it's on TV).

Also, I thought Superman died.... Why is he still alive in that top pic? ;D

because the warmth of the yellow sun in his coffin six feet under the cold cold earth was rejuvenating him slowly....

or The Flashback to the future

or the rest of the Justice League stole that Superman cardboard cutout from the BvS premiere, and took a pic standing around it.

what you didn't know about the second pic, is that those are Hot Toys figurines that Lex is playing with in his room. And that the entire DCCU is his retelling of a fever dream he had last fall when he had pneumonia, and that's why most of it doesn't make any damn sense.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 26, 2017, 01:26:33 AM
Wonder Woman Woes!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rEYHUsEc18&feature=youtu.be&t=6093

:(

Flashpoint to be the new storyline of the Flash solo movie?
might as well schedule The Batman to follow that and kick things off right.

Looks like I might be right after all....

WB ordered a page 1 rewrite of The Flash script.
my guess is a Snyderless reboot, using time travel by The Flash and leading into The Batman, and then Justice League 2
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/joby-harold-the-flash-script-rewrite-1201969977/

You know that would be hilarious if The Flash went back in time and changed the DC Cinematic Universe creating a Flashpoint story that when when he goes back in time everything is better...and instead of being a big problem it is actually a brighter future and Flash is like...yeah, I can live with this.  No regrets.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 26, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
of course not.... I almost didn't post it at all, but I figured, Hey! DC's got stuff too, so I might as well share, even if it is not exactly the stuff we wanted (unless it's on TV).

Also, I thought Superman died.... Why is he still alive in that top pic? ;D

because the warmth of the yellow sun in his coffin six feet under the cold cold earth was rejuvenating him slowly....

or The Flashback to the future

or the rest of the Justice League stole that Superman cardboard cutout from the BvS premiere, and took a pic standing around it.

what you didn't know about the second pic, is that those are Hot Toys figurines that Lex is playing with in his room. And that the entire DCCU is his retelling of a fever dream he had last fall when he had pneumonia, and that's why most of it doesn't make any damn sense.

Sounds like Warner Bros. just found their new DC Movies screenwriter!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 30, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
And Mr Affleck is no longer directing The Batman.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/808741-ben-affleck-will-no-longer-direct-the-batman#/slide/1

I wonder if that spiel about not being able to do both roles is true, or just PR for Benjamin and WB having a blue but he's hanging around because he's contracually obliged to play the role?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2017, 10:17:50 PM
I was gonna post this, but got stuck in the TV thread posting a long thought....

But I'm sure Live by Night bombing hard and setting a record for largest theater decline has something to do with the confidence shakeup towards directing, by both Ben and Warner Bros.

Better hope they find a new director sooner than The Flash... although I think at this point, they should just use The Flash solo movie to reboot the whole universe, mostly for the purpose of giving The Flash a better outfit.... oh and to also make sure Snyder never happened.

Actually if the Flash could just run all the way back to MoS and make sure Pa Kent didn't get sucked up in that tornado on purpose, things could be so different.


edit:
THR also cites that Big Ben isn't happy with the script either... could be another reason they are bringing in someone else to direct. Script may also get another coat of gloss on top.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 31, 2017, 03:36:10 AM
I think Affleck wanted to make a good movie and Warner Bros was against it.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 31, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
I think how much truth is in Ben Affleck's comment about stepping down will show based on how much influence he has over who takes over the director's role.  If it's Snyder, he was fired.  If it's Kevin Smith, you're living in some weird dream, and we need to to wake up now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2017, 08:52:06 PM
Black Lightning may be joining the Berlanti-verse on The CW
http://deadline.com/2017/02/black-lightning-dc-comic-drama-move-the-cw-greg-berlanti-1201901139/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
New Justice League pic

(https://i1.wp.com/cdn.batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Justice-League-Wonder-Woman-Aquaman-Cyborg.jpg)

Not really feeling Cy-former, but maybe seeing him in action will help?
I'm trying my best to hold all judgement till the film is seen in action, because even though I'm a Marvel man, I loved the Justice League cartoons, and most of the rest of the DC animated cartoons as well.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 06, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
So Wonder Woman with Water Thor and Optimus Sub-prime. Looks dumb. I bet the WW movie will be good, but there's no way this can be.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2017, 11:32:40 PM
The Batman script in worse shape than we thought?
Not only is Batfleck not gonna direct, but WB is now bringing in a whole new creative team w/ a New director, which may involve another rewrite, if not flat out brand new script....!?
http://screenrant.com/batman-new-script-director/

Should we pencil this one in for 2019 now?
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Post by: nickmitch on February 09, 2017, 06:38:51 AM
Batfleck had so much potential.  Affleck should've just called in Kevin Smith from the beginning.

Multiple script rewrites is almost always bad.  This is how you end up with plots that go nowhere and inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 09, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
Cyborg's arm "cannon" is laughably puny.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 09, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Can DC just do a Static movie? They don't have to do much but have a couple allusions to the rest of the DC universe. I think Static could be DC's Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 09, 2017, 01:59:53 PM
They could probably do a Teen Titans that's similar to GotG.  I rather like the first part of the New 52 run of that series and think it offers a good premise for a film.

But I would love to see a Static Shock film.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 09, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
Cyborg's arm "cannon" is laughably puny.

Awww, man! Samus is a man? I'm getting so sick of companies changing a character's gender to promote more equal representation.  >:(
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2017, 04:31:42 PM
Cyborg was always a poorly designed character.  The look is just all wrong.  Even the original design just doesn't feel right.  The only version I kinda like is the Teen Titans cartoon version which simplified the design and also focused more on the cyborg parts and less on the human...making him look almost more like a robot. 

This version is just too busy.  Just like the Flash costume, the details kill the design and make him an eye sore.  This seems to be a problem in almost all the designs of the Justice League.  The only costumes I like are Batman and Wonder Woman.  Superman's could be good if they just brightened it up.  But Cyborg and The Flash are terrible, terrible designs.  The TV show Flash Costume is not perfect, but it seems functional and accurate to the comic. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Teen Titans Origin/Teen Titans Judas Project/Young Justice movie 

Simple series that could work.  Betrayal in Young Justice movie could set up for a New Titans team.  Honestly though, W.B. should just make the Justice League Animated Series/Original Teen Titans Show/Young Justice cannon and then work on making the movie universe as fun and good as that series.

Or just literally steal the scripts from those animated shows and make live action versions of the best stories.  I mean look at the material there and tell me you couldn't make a great series out of it.  The Cademus season could be condensed to be a 3 part series. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2017, 06:25:05 PM
Gotham.... We have a problem?
http://screenrant.com/batman-ben-affleck-leaving-role/
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Post by: nickmitch on February 13, 2017, 06:29:32 PM
****. I'm worried if he just wants off the sinking ship.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 13, 2017, 07:07:27 PM
Dang. WB is like DC Comics are after Dan Didio took over
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2017, 08:41:43 PM
Rumors out right now is that the assembly cut of Justice League is currently at 3h:45m, plot is a mess, Batman got jokes, and The Flash ain't funny.

take all this as you will, including the Batfleck bailing on the suit, but just don't shoot the messenger.

there were also rumors that WW also wasn't all that good. It wasn't a final cut, but all filming is done... so I don't know... Not sure what to feel about DCCU going forward.

MoS was cool (certainly not w/o it's flaws tho), BvS was fucking garbage (and no I didn't watch the UC), and SS was more entertaining, but still a mess (Joker was terrible).


edit: for the record, I don't want DCCU to fail, I just want it to be good, like the cartoons were, like the Marvel movies are.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 14, 2017, 01:37:11 AM
Damnit Snyder, make a movie movie length. When they cut this movie to nothing, it's not going to make any sense. It's because he films the entire movie on a green screen.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 14, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
Wasn't Justice League supposed to be a 2-parter or did that get changed at some point?

Honestly, there is just so much studio interference going on with the DC stuff that I think it is the biggest problem with the movies not being successful. I get it because The Dark Knight showed the profits that could be reaped when done right with this property and Marvel has further expanded on that money making potential but WB just seems to be tripping all over themselves in how they make these movies because of the high stakes in cost and potential profits. The Arrowverse isn't perfect but it's been pretty acceptable for most fans. There are 4 series putting out about 100 episodes altogether of superhero stories not to mention some other series not related to the Arrowverse but are DC properties like Gotham and iZombie. While the faults of these series can be annoying at times, such as the overdone hide my secret identity from a person for a long time then have them upset at lying to them for so long plot thread, for the most part a lot of these faults can be glossed over due to the fact that it is operating on a TV budget. In fact, the shows get more praise when they can seemingly elevate their effects and action past what is expected of a TV budget show. Yet, I think the reason for this success is because there's less stakes as it were and not too many executives are concerned as to whether a property succeeds as a TV show. Sometimes there are certain mandates put on the shows but nothing that really gums up the works.

With the movies, it just seems like there are too many executives and creative personal jostling for control or trying to ensure that the movie will be a success and by the time people either get their say or get cut out of the process, the end result is the messiness we are seeing right now. WB just needs to start backing off a bit and letting the creative teams they put in place do their thing or else put in a different team if they don't trust them. But last minute re-writes and re-shoots and over editing is not helping save or improve things. I get that you don't want a property to become radioactive for awhile like what happened after Batman & Robin. Yet even if you release a stinker or two, evidence has shown that the fans will come back to the property if you try again and get it closer to fan expectation. Spiderman has gone through a couple so-so films now and yet people are excited about that property getting another release this summer because it looks like a better version more in-line with the established comic version of the character than a director doing their own spin and take on the characters like Burton with Batman. Of course, it helps that Marvel is now behind the project helping to give it a second chance with fans. WB and DC doesn't have that kind of trust with fans right now. I just don't think it would be that hard to rebound from a failure as they may think aside from the financial aspect of low profits in the short term.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on February 14, 2017, 05:30:11 PM
I feel most bad for the actors in this mess. Margot Robbie and Jason Momoa are great, and it would be a pity to see their chances at new films shot because of the ensuing train wreck.


I keep hoping that Marvel will swoop in and pick up some of the talent for their own shows.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2017, 07:18:43 PM
Wasn't Justice League supposed to be a 2-parter or did that get changed at some point?

It was supposedly reduced to a single movie, and the 2nd is to be decided upon at a later date and time. I really think WB & DC just don't have confidence moving forward w/ what they are doing as they didn't set up a plan before hand, and instead just let the directors do what they wanted and figure out how to connect it all as they went along. They brought Geoff Johns in way too late to be the overseer of the DCCU, and too many projects were already in motion to drastically make changes or just flat out halt them and reset the project so that they can come up with a consistent thread that is linking these stories along.

I really feel like they don't trust Snyder to run the ship but he was too entrenched to uproot him.
I feel like Batfleck is not feeling Justice League, but can't right the sinking ship on his own, and especially after Live by Night failed harder than any movie of that caliber EVER, does not have the pull right now to overrule anyone's say... so maybe he's just not into it anymore.
I feel like if Wonder Woman is not a moderate success critically and commercially, Justice league is DOA as far as general audience and crossover comic fans are concerned.
and I feel like that is why WB put a hold on everything (except Aquaman and a hopeful The Batman) post Justice League because their phase 1 test of WW & JL need to succeed.
Aquaman is the last project to start pre-production before Johns got involved, so The Flash getting a complete rewrite, Cyborg being put on ice, Justice League 2 now in limbo and The Batman attempting to be fasttracked (I have no idea what's up with that rumored GL movie, nor the somewhat unconnected Black Adam and Shazam movies) is all an attempt at Johns fixing this mess of a cinematic universe.

But if Batfleck bails.... hopefully they can Snyder and use The Flash to go back and reset the timeline before The (recasted) Batman movie and then use Justice League 2 to show all the other changes that took effect.

as a matter of fact, they should use The Flash to hit reset on all this mess anyway, regardless of Batfleck bailing or not.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on February 15, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
The Dark Knight trilogy is a bit of an outlier, especially in modern day action movies (not just comic book ones) because Nolan always opts for clarity and practical effects over 3D and both Nolan's prefer to write in slower, more literal terms (look at Person of Interest and Westworld...). Then it made a crapton of money and the studio liked their design and ran with it.

Thus no zany Snyder-edit cuts and zooming in aggressively to make something look stylish.

The best thing about Man of Steel was the soundtrack.

The Arrowverse's only weaknesses is the CW's love of soapy elements and in fight scenes (especially in Arrow and Legends) the use of stunt actors sticks out sometimes - the latter i don't mind really but you do actually see it. I'm fine with the CGI issues sometimes (like supergirl this week with the crane, but it's a TV budget!).

The DCCU's weakness is the filming style (much too aggressive black), the cart before the horse attitude (a whole bunch of characters appearing before they had a reason to be there, hence BVS), the horrible editing designed to hide the fight scenes as much as possible and the real lack of humour. Which is nearly everything except the actors.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
WB swerves left and courts Mel Gibson to direct Suicide Squad 2
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-courts-mel-gibson-suicide-squad-sequel-974436
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 15, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
Just what the first one was missing - antisemitism.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 15, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
WB is swinging like a drunk man, hoping to connect with quality. If Affleck does leave, I don't see much reason to continue this disaster.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2017, 06:58:36 PM
wow, could be the first really good WB movie. We could see Andrew Garfield join the DC universe.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 15, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
Andrew Garfield as.... Bronze Tiger?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 16, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Andrew Garfield as.... Poison Ivy! Makes about as much sense as everything else they're doing these days.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
I walked into safeway and I saw this Poison Ivy action figure

(http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/50249684?wid=450&hei=450&fmt=pjpeg)

all I could think was "she'san eco terrorist who poisons people"
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 16, 2017, 02:59:10 PM
I have no idea what iteration of the character that might be from. If you hadn't told me it was supposed to be Poison Ivy, I wouldn't have made the connection that's who it was.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
just some weird toys interation

(https://corporate.target.com/_media/TargetCorp/news/2016/ABV-SuperHeroGirls-Header.jpg?width=940&height=470&ext=.jpg)

Harley Quin is a juggalo women who has stockholm syndrome for a sociopath who dressed like a clown and murders people.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d2/7b/0a/d27b0a9c3f81dd3db4b12dbc2c0ff435.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 16, 2017, 03:39:34 PM
That Poison Ivy figure looks like The Little Mermaid in, I dunno, Gardening Outfit?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 16, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
This Poison Ivy is from a new cartoon series geared toward younger girls called DC's Super Hero Girls.  All the DC female characters villains and heroes go to the same high school together.  It is in the web series which has each episode lasting like 5-6 minutes.

http://www.theactionpixel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/dc-superhero-girlsPoisonIvy.jpg
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 16, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
who is the one with wings? Is that supposed to be Vixen?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 16, 2017, 05:29:59 PM
From the Super Hero Girls?  That is Bumblebee.  She is basically a Wasp knockoff from what I can understand.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
The toymakes probably also make knock-off Disney princess figures and reused the molds for this series.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on February 16, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
who is the one with wings? Is that supposed to be Vixen?

Bumblebee. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_(comics))
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2017, 11:17:48 PM
The toymakes probably also make knock-off Disney princess figures and reused the molds for this series.

apparently they do

(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/DCSHG%2520Action%2520Dolls_900_56e08ce9608d24.69559761.jpg)

Apparently there is a show, and it has the same voices as Team Titan Go. Which makes me interested.

They have clips in a ton of languages.  And they're amazingly consistent.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2017, 11:54:37 PM
It appears DC has eyes waaaay bigger than it's plate and certainly large than their stomach

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-plotting-nightwing-movie-lego-batman-movie-director-978737?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

DC Planning a Nightwing movie.
This is while they were having trouble getting The Batman going (Matt Reeves is now signed on to direct though), can't get The Flash back on track, put a hold on Justice League 2, started planning Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens, working on details for Green Lantern Corps, all but officaly canceled Cyborg, and are at best getting luke warm reception to Wonder Woman, and are about to get started on Aquaman.

I feel like they are moving way too fast, and that's part of the reason why this "Cinematic Universe" is such a mess right now. They are trying to do way too much too quickly without having ever really decided on what it is exactly that they are doing.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2017, 05:00:01 PM
Black Lightning may be joining the Berlanti-verse on The CW
http://deadline.com/2017/02/black-lightning-dc-comic-drama-move-the-cw-greg-berlanti-1201901139/

I guess it's been confirmed that Black Lightning is coming to the CW (taking Vamp Diaries place?)
and they also cast their lead
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cress-williams-set-as-black-lightning-cws-greg-berlanti-dc-drama-979515?utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on February 24, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
The biggest problem with the DC Movie-verse is that the studio keeps refusing to throw it in the trash where it belongs.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 24, 2017, 10:44:22 PM
It needs a soft reboot. On one hand they're moving at a snails pace, on another they are doing some things too fast.

Cut the amount of CG you do and you'll be able to manage the schedule of these movies. Snyder just films everything on a green screen and the chroma corrects everything to where its dank and some people think thats good film making.

Some scenes in the Avengers is on a green screen, but at least when it comes out it has pretty colors.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on February 25, 2017, 02:33:09 AM
Black Lightning may be joining the Berlanti-verse on The CW
http://deadline.com/2017/02/black-lightning-dc-comic-drama-move-the-cw-greg-berlanti-1201901139/

I guess it's been confirmed that Black Lightning is coming to the CW (taking Vamp Diaries place?)
and they also cast their lead
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cress-williams-set-as-black-lightning-cws-greg-berlanti-dc-drama-979515?utm_source=twitter

It this goes to series this will be the seventh Greg Berlanti (and his studio) has going (the four DC CW series, Blindspot and Riverdale). We won't really get an Arrow season 2 again because all of these shows are pulling for focus.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
Black Lightning may be joining the Berlanti-verse on The CW
http://deadline.com/2017/02/black-lightning-dc-comic-drama-move-the-cw-greg-berlanti-1201901139/ (http://deadline.com/2017/02/black-lightning-dc-comic-drama-move-the-cw-greg-berlanti-1201901139/)

I guess it's been confirmed that Black Lightning is coming to the CW (taking Vamp Diaries place?)
and they also cast their lead
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cress-williams-set-as-black-lightning-cws-greg-berlanti-dc-drama-979515?utm_source=twitter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cress-williams-set-as-black-lightning-cws-greg-berlanti-dc-drama-979515?utm_source=twitter)

It this goes to series this will be the seventh Greg Berlanti (and his studio) has going (the four DC CW series, Blindspot and Riverdale). We won't really get an Arrow season 2 again because all of these shows are pulling for focus.
8th if you count the animated Vixen series. But that's really only a single episode per season broken into 8 five minute segments.


I can only assume that the chick from Legends is gonna pass the necklace on to the chick from the animation series for present day Vixen at some point.... or maybe they both meet and both have the same necklace at the same time.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
It appears DC has eyes waaaay bigger than it's plate and certainly large than their stomach

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-plotting-nightwing-movie-lego-batman-movie-director-978737?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/warner-bros-plotting-nightwing-movie-lego-batman-movie-director-978737?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral)

DC Planning a Nightwing movie.
This is while they were having trouble getting The Batman going (Matt Reeves is now signed on to direct though), can't get The Flash back on track, put a hold on Justice League 2, started planning Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens, working on details for Green Lantern Corps, all but officaly canceled Cyborg, and are at best getting luke warm reception to Wonder Woman, and are about to get started on Aquaman.

I feel like they are moving way too fast, and that's part of the reason why this "Cinematic Universe" is such a mess right now. They are trying to do way too much too quickly without having ever really decided on what it is exactly that they are doing.

I just realized that I left out MoS2, and the sort of connected Black Adam, and Shazam movies.
There was also rumors of a Blue Beetle and Booster Gold movie, and a Birds of Prey movie, and a Lobo movie too. not sure if any of those rumors will ever pan out.


Point being that DC needs to figure out what they are doing before they start putting too many pieces on the board, just to show they have as much going on as Marvel.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on February 25, 2017, 09:20:02 PM
Hugh Jackson as Lobo :P
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
and how about some WW pics

(https://abload.de/img/img_05938wx0f.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0594t9l7s.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0595xwa0b.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0596b0xjw.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0597mazhx.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0598t6zmo.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_06000bym8.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0599dubil.jpeg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_0601mkleb.jpeg)

I'm going into this one with mild expectations, as this is the last hope before Justice League ultimately lets us down. :P
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on February 25, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
WW will be the last DCCU I see in theatres.  Well, I might still see The Batman.  Definitely skipping JL for moral reasons.

Hugh Jackson as Lobo :P

Lol, I still have hopes for Ron Pearlman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 25, 2017, 11:14:33 PM

It this goes to series this will be the seventh Greg Berlanti (and his studio) has going (the four DC CW series, Blindspot and Riverdale). We won't really get an Arrow season 2 again because all of these shows are pulling for focus.

I've kind of given up on an Arrow Season 2 happening again. Arrow Season 2 worked because it had a lot of characters allowing for a lot more plotlines and stories to develop at a fast pace and bouncing off each other. By the end of Season 2, a bunch of characters were removed and the world building and expansion that had begun since the series started now began to contract. As such, this resulted in stretching out the stories and events happening around the core cast which led to a lot of wheel spinning episodes and plots. Even with the introduction a new character or two here or there in the seasons that followed, a lot of them didn't have much of a story arc to go through nor does they seem to have much effect on the core cast story arcs. It doesn't help that if they do have a direct effect they don't seem to last past the season they're in.

Let's go back to season 2. You had the Queen family drama with Moira trying to reconcile with Thea and Ollie. Laurel was struggling with Tommy's death and the surprise news that Sara was alive. Sara, of course, allowed for the introduction of Black Canary with her friend with the punk hair who's name I can't remember as well as further developing the League of Assassin's and introducing Nyssa. Oliver Queen had a business rival in Isabel Rochev. Brother Blood helped introduce Mirakuru and superpowers into the series getting Oliver involved in city politics while moving along Roy Harper's desire to work with the Arrow and join the team. In the flashbacks, we had Shado and Slade with Oliver also facing off against Professor Morrow and his crew. Add on top of that the re-appearance of Malcolm Merlyn (which has had quite varying success) and development of the Suicide Squad with Argus and Amanda Waller and you've got a lot of pieces to work with. Heck, they even helped get the Flash series set-up introducing Barry Allen along with Sisko and Caitlyn.

At the end of season 2, everyone on the island flashbacks was going except for Oliver. They completely emptied out everything they had been building and have had to start over on flashback material for each season afterwards and the flashbacks have suffered since then. Brother Blood and the Mirakuru formula was eliminated. Isabelle Rochev was eliminated taking Queen Consolidated with her thereby eliminating more potential stories and plot from that. They tried to keep that element around with Ray Palmer and then Felicity has the head of the company but it's never worked as well as when Oliver was struggling to figure out how to accomplish his mission to save the city while having to look after the family business. How does Oliver get any money these days? Is everyone else paying for his stuff? Moira Queen was taken off the board but it might have been interesting to keep her around as mayor instead. The biggest blow was the removal of Slade Wilson. By far the best villain because of all the time they had given him to develop and not only did they lose him for the flashbacks but he was the big bad of the present and aside from a brief appearance in the next season has pretty much disappeared from the show. They haven't had a villain come close to what he was like. Damian Darhk had some potential but his storyline fell apart a bit after the halfway point and stumbled into the end.

While Barry and his friends have popped up in an episode here and there since, they clearly weren't meant to be regulars so their lack of regularity is to be expected. What was unexpected was the sudden removal of Sara Lance. She's killed at the start of Season 2 pretty much removing her from the show and she's now migrated to LoT in the end along with Ray Palmer. Her removal also meant that her punk friend has disappeared from the show. Not that the character added a lot but at least she'd be around for a bit getting some development. By the end of season 3, the Suicide Squad and Amanda Waller were pretty much removed aside from the occasional flashback by Waller. Roy Harper also left. While making Thea into the Red Arrow/Arsenal has been one of the positives to develop since the end of season 2, it's still another character with lots more potential being removed. Heck, by the end of Season 4, the League of Assassin's has pretty much been dismantled and Laurel is dead further downsizing the world and cast. I'm not even going to get into how that was the wrong decision. The character that should have been eliminated at that point was Quentin Lance. I haven't seen anything from Season 5 but if he's still on the police force, I don't know how that's possible considering his testimony of working with Damien in Season 4. I like Quentin but at that point it just felt like his character had gone through most of what it could. Instead it's Laurel who they'd finally rehabilitated into a likeable character and one of the better elements of the show at that point.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 25, 2017, 11:14:40 PM
While I could go further into the faults of the show, to me, the two biggest issues are that the shows need to take some direction from their comic counterparts and the idea that most of the characters (hero and villain) often live to fight another day. I get that it is tempting to off characters because maybe you only planned for them to stick around for a season and their arc is completed but why couldn't they return for revenge? I get that it keeps the stakes raised in that you never know which characters might survive or if they will outside of one or two main characters but removing them eliminates a someone with a lot of backstory and weight that could still have more potential. Now you've got to introduce a new character and start building them up. The result is that the show has changed so much. Like I pointed out, so many of the elements they had in Season 2 are gone now.

The other solution is to perhaps stop sharing and interacting so much with the other superhero shows. The Flash was doing well in building up its universe through its first season but it's second season didn't hit a groove like Arrow did. I think in part because it had to help set-up the Legends of Tomorrow show along with Arrow and then lost some of its characters in Firestorm, Captain Cold and Heat Wave to that show ruining the whole Rogues dynamic of the Flash. Likewise, there's been changes in characters like Harrison Wells or Barry's Dad who's now Jay Garrick which sort of eliminates the backstory of these characters while also sort of keeping them around.

Anyways I'm getting off course again. I'm not sure how Supergirl is doing this year (quick scan of AV Club reviews seem to give it a solid B+/B season so far) but, ironically, it is the show best positioned to have an Arrow Season 2 type run. Because it was on another network before moving and so it couldn't crossover that well, they put it's setting in a parallel universe from the Arrowverse. That bubble has meant that Supergirl has to build its world up without help from the Arrowverse for the most part. As well, it helps keep all the Superman/Supergirl story elements and characters contained to that series making it more unique and since that's the only place to utilize them then the writers should be more hesitant to eliminate them since it would be harder to bring them back. Not like eliminated Sara Lance at the start of Season 3. Changing their minds and bringing her back in a convoluted way in Season 4 so that they could continue to have Sara Lance but in LoT. Now see Laurel Lance for more of this in action.

It's like how Gotham gets to have all kinds of Batman elements on its show and because it is unconnected to the Arrowverse it can only build up internally making it less susceptible to outside influences to change the show from how it has been developing. Of course, I say this without having seen it. Same goes for Agents of Shield. A big complaint of season 1 for some was the connectivity to the movies although some people also liked that. I'm not sure what it has been like since but my understanding is that the connectivity isn't as firm as it was in the first season where it's timeline was linked directly to movie releases. Although Netflix has begun to do Marvel shows, they keep the series short and characters are largely self contained and not really crossing over much between shows from my understanding. Thus, this still leaves Agents of Shield with a lot of Marvel material to work with and introduce into their show compared to the Arrowverse which has been grabbing stuff all over and using it up a rapid pace over its shared shows. Sometimes it doesn't help to share and would be best to just be self-contained.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on February 26, 2017, 12:03:25 AM
It appears DC has eyes waaaay bigger than it's plate and certainly large than their stomach

DC Planning a Nightwing movie.

This is while they were having trouble getting The Batman going (Matt Reeves is now signed on to direct though), can't get The Flash back on track, put a hold on Justice League 2, started planning Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens, working on details for Green Lantern Corps, all but officaly canceled Cyborg, and are at best getting luke warm reception to Wonder Woman, and are about to get started on Aquaman.

I feel like they are moving way too fast, and that's part of the reason why this "Cinematic Universe" is such a mess right now. They are trying to do way too much too quickly without having ever really decided on what it is exactly that they are doing.

Point being that DC needs to figure out what they are doing before they start putting too many pieces on the board, just to show they have as much going on as Marvel.

For that matter, I kind of like that the WB movie-verse is potentially all over the place. I think they should just let different directors or producers tell the story they want with a character. If one director wanted to do a movie with Superman in a futuristic city of tomorrow in a comedy facing off against Mr. Mxyzptlk and someone else wanted to do a Nightwing movie set in the 80's in a Die Hard type situation against a contingent of the League of Assassins holding some people hostage, I say go for it. And if a third person wants to make a movie where Superman and Nightwing team-up with Martin Manhunter to stop a White Martian invasion in a sort of Twilight Zone / Invasion of the Body Snatchers atmosphere then do that to because I don't really care how they can all exist in the same universe or how they would be connected. I don't care if it is a new actor playing the same character for each of those films or the same actor playing all of the characters. It's about the story for me.

To me, most superhero characters are malleable and able to fit in a lot of genres or settings. It's like Sherlock Holmes. You've got the Conan Doyle originals of Victorian London yet there's modern adaptations and tweaks to the mythos that allow him to work in modern times like Elementary or Sherlock. You can even turn him into a bit of a Victorian action hero like the Robert Downey Sherlock Holmes movies. Or you can reinvent him as a doctor and call him House, MD. So, it is with superheros.

DC has done multiple takes on these characters allowing for all kinds of interpretations. I say let that be what makes their Movie Universe unique. Let Marvel do the connectivity thing. (Frankly, I think it's starting to hurt their films and stories a bit.) Sure, it might not always be a success. Letting Nolan have his vision of Batman worked out better than Snyder's vision of Superman in Man of Steel but at least you can always try again with someone else's vision of Superman instead of having to cancel all kinds of projects or redevelop some kind of movie universe timeline. Even with a shared universe, characters have to be changed and molded a bit to fit into it anyways. I get that by keeping it shared, it can almost ensure any movie released in that universe would be a success as people keep following the background pieces of the story and watching for the shared elements. Avengers 2 leads to Civil War which leads to Black Panther keep going to those movies to keep up with developments.

So, yes, there is that potential path but I propose they follow a different Disney path. The Pixar path. Finding Nemo is a different universe than Toy Story which is a different universe than The Incredibles or Wall-E or Inside Out. They've got varying different styles and stories yet their self-contained nature does not diminish them. However, by ensuring that the end product is good for each film, it has created a brand loyalty so that people pay attention when Pixar releases a new film. It almost becomes a ritual to see the latest one. Even though they may have a clunker or two like Cars or Brave because they're unique some people can still like them and there's the knowledge that next time will be different for those who don't like it. I think DC should try and tailor their movies to that approach. I feel it could make for a very special brand of movies and be their best approach to compete with Marvel and possibly create something special like The Dark Knight did. Make it story focused and that each film tells the best story it can with that property or in the setting it's given. Don't worry about connectivity and setting up future sequels or other franchises. Keep it as self-contained as possible.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2017, 12:34:18 AM
but that's kinda what they were doing before... then Marvel changed the game.

They could have easily made a Superman trilogy and a new Batman Trilogy and worked on some other stuff, and when they got to The Flash trilogy, they could have done some Earth 1, Earth 2, Earth 3 dimensional portal hopping, crisis on infinite earths thing joining forces beat a global threat. if they still really wanted to connect it all. But what they have right now is a mess and it's only 3 movies deep, with 2 more on the way this year, and at least 1 planned for release next year as well.

If they want to move forward connected or unconnected, they still need to figure out what they want to accomplish before they start putting too many pieces in play. If they are really trying to justify a separate studio approach with DC Films, then they still need to make sure their business model is sustainable before they bankrupt themselves with too many projects on the table before they are sure their direction is truly profitable. I'm aware that BvS & SS alone have probably made enough money to fund the next 3 movies, but if WW under performs, and JL fails to meet expectations, they still have Aquaman and 5-6 other announced movies in various stages of pre-production, making it very costly to start a massive scaling back.

That Marvel $$$ is very tempting, and I don't blame them for wanting to follow the model and have a built in audience that's GUARANTEED to follow you from movie to movie as they know they are all semi-sequels to one another, but these movies still need to make sense, and more importantly be good. They won't all make sense if they just have random directors doing what they want with the characters and then superficially adding in connectivity scenes just to say "oh hay, see these are in the same universe" but other scenes kinda contradict that very thing by being inconsistent with another directors portrayal of the same character, event or timeline.


and just for clarity, I left out another movie that's been announced so I'll make a list:


Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
The Batman
The Flash
Justice League 2
Suicide Squad 2
Gotham City Sirens
Green Lantern Corps
Man of Steel 2
Nightwing
Black Adam
Shazaam
Cyborg (cancelled?)

That's 14 announced but unreleased movies in their Cinematic Universe when they've only released 3 so far, and only 1 of those reviewed decently even if all 3 of them made money. They should have only announced up through Justice League, which probably should have come after The Flash and Aquaman. I know they want to generate hype and let everyone know there's a future in this DCCU, but I think they just have their fingers in too many pies at once, and the whole project will suffer, especially as they didn't have a clear cut trajectory before they announced a majority of these projects.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on February 26, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
WW will be the last DCCU I see in theatres.  Well, I might still see The Batman.  Definitely skipping JL for moral reasons.

Hugh Jackson as Lobo :P

Lol, I still have hopes for Ron Pearlman.

No, Rhea Perlman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2017, 08:42:02 AM
WW will be the last DCCU I see in theatres.  Well, I might still see The Batman.  Definitely skipping JL for moral reasons.

Hugh Jackson as Lobo :P

Lol, I still have hopes for Ron Pearlman.

No, Rhea Perlman.

Haha. Carla from Cheers!!? Haven't seen her since... Cheers.
I didn't know she was married to Danny Devito.

pre-post edit: just checked her IMDB and I'm surprised at how busy she's been and even been in roles I just didn't realize were here in things I've seen.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on February 26, 2017, 09:07:09 AM
I mean, it's the DC movie universe.  Why not?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on February 26, 2017, 11:09:26 AM
While Khush has mentioned the DC shows in detail, Blindspot is arguably the worst of them all under that umbella.

In season 1, two of the main characters (Zapata and Reade) are defined away from the main plot as Zapata having gambling problems and Reade dating his boss' sister - literally nothing else. These two are friends. In season 2, Reade he found out he was abused as a child by his football coach but he doesn't remember, and when he went to confront the coach he was found dead and Zapata found him over the body who helped to cover it up.

They later find out one of Reade's school friends did it (who was also abused but does remember). Reade finds a tape with his name on it (with many others), but doesn't watch it. Instead he helps his friend leave town, starts dating his friends now ex-girlfriend and is now taking drugs all while telling everyone else that "everything is fine".

"Spinning its wheels" is a mild way to put it. At least with the DC CW shows, some elements (like Curtis and Mister Terrific) are going slowly, pieces are falling into place and has plenty more storylines going to keep things going around it.

Just make him watch the tape, fall apart and show us the fallout rather than manage to stretch this out for the season.

Blindspot has the pieces to make this good, but instead its trying to stretch this out over a season for no reason. Zapata has no storyline of her own this season. Both only have something to do when required by the main plot, otherwise.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2017, 11:48:20 PM
Not sure if this contains new footage, but here is a new trailer for Wonder Woman

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
New WW Trailer tomorrow
here is a teaser for now
https://twitter.com/WonderWomanFilm/status/840313963699101696 (https://twitter.com/WonderWomanFilm/status/840313963699101696)


(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ksVUoVsAEORYT.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2017, 03:24:02 AM
WW Trrailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLzqh7rZ-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLzqh7rZ-U)


edit: This trailer instills faith. It looks like it could be fun.
I'm not trying to get any hopes up, but maybe the DCEU won't be all trash after all.


for the record:
BvS trailer looked like it was going to be bad. that turned out to be correct (Batman was best thing in this movie).
Suicide Squad trailer looked like it might be pretty fun... that turned out to be partially correct (Joker was terrible, and the movie wasn't that good, but it was kinda entertaining).
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
The Batman delayed again, rescripted from scratch.
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-batman-screenplay-and-delays/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on March 16, 2017, 10:19:18 AM
Not sure if that's good or bad.  The article flat out states that people's reactions to excessive rewrites are overkill, but when has that not been the case?  So many bad films were bad because of the number of rewrites.

Starting over from scratch sounds a bit better, especially if they're no longer trying to hit a release date.  I think that's the kernel of good news here.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 16, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
The Batman delayed again, rescripted from scratch.

Well if I recall correctly that was Affleck's own script I believe, so I imagine this would add more reason for him to bail on the role.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 16, 2017, 03:05:49 PM
Guess that means the Deathstroke Footage from awhile back is null and void.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on March 17, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
Probably for the best.  Wasn't he the main villain in Arrow for a while?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on March 17, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
I half figured the reason he "disappeared" from Arrow was because they wanted to use him for the DCU. That is what they did with Deadshot/Suicide Squad.


Almost think they should scrap DCCU and just focus on TV shows. After solidifying their bases on TV they could then try some TV adaptations in the same universe.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2017, 07:25:24 AM
Aquaman Justice League trailer teaser

https://vid.me/bhyn

Full trailer this Saturday.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on March 23, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
I wonder if it's too early to start hyping JL like this with WW still on the way.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2017, 04:50:22 PM
The Flash JL trailer teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0LeCAFSjk
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2017, 07:53:51 AM
Batman JL Teaser
Batman teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZKPzEnZ-4
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on March 25, 2017, 12:58:06 AM
Blindspot is a DC thing? I thought it was just some idiot random show with some tattooed lady.

I didn't watch Arrow or Flash for very long as they are obnoxious try hard shows. Arrow was Batman with Arrows gone wrong. Flash's character can be great as shown by JLA, but that didn't happen with the show and it seem to have ended up being the same as arrow, Batman-ish but dude moving really fast.

Super Girl is the outliner, you watch it for Melissa's bubbles. She single handedly holds up that universe. It doesn't help the show lost a tons of the budget resulting in massive shedding of characters constantly

Was Cat a bitch? Yes, but she was damn interesting. (Obvious budget bus ride)

Olsen has completely run out of steam and I don't even know why he was even there in the first place. Now that Kara isn't working he has lost the last of his natural relevance.

The hell did Lena go? Looked like the actor was pregnant which is weird because she isn't but they are using shots and clothing that you would use to hide something like it.

Maxwell? Took that train he built I guess.

Dropping in Dean Cain whenever is funny every time they do it as they scramble to write him back out.

Ex-Wonder women President? An unfired Chekhov's gun.

Can Mon-El stop being a douche? Never at this rate.

But they really need a better fight cartographer as they aren't very good nor are the excuses to get into fist fights. I just rather everybody just shoot at each other.

Yeah, big take away is that DC is a mess.
Title: Justice League Trailer released
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Justice League Teaser Trailers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7nJGpiVsAAAHts.jpg)

Aquaman
https://vid.me/bhyn (https://vid.me/bhyn)
poster: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7nXk5RVQAAr9AX.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7nXk5RVQAAr9AX.jpg)

The Flash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0LeCAFSjk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0LeCAFSjk)
poster: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7o9W1KVYAEfPGI.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7o9W1KVYAEfPGI.jpg:large)

Batman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZKPzEnZ-4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZKPzEnZ-4)
poster: http://i.imgur.com/9jFEXP8.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/9jFEXP8.jpg)

Wonder Woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCoqYnpcwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCoqYnpcwY)
poster: http://i.imgur.com/y5EJHPb.png (http://i.imgur.com/y5EJHPb.png)

Cyborg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvod15SGEqU#t=17.801082 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvod15SGEqU#t=17.801082)
poster:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tI5aLV4AAmQ_h.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tI5aLV4AAmQ_h.jpg:large)


Fan Made Combination Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G_tSHHpAGY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G_tSHHpAGY&feature=youtu.be)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tkfeoVwAAEyNX.jpg:large)

and now the Main Event:

Justice League Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 25, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
The Colors are still too muted.  However, this looks better than BvS, and it looks better than Suicide Squad.  However, the music choice for the trailer was awful.

I feel bad for this movie though.  You are going to be telling small origin stories for at least 3 characters.  Bringing the characters together, possibly having the characters resolve team problems, introduce a villain in the way of Parademons and therefore Apokolips lore, AND possibly explain how Superman is also comes back? 

This movie has A LOT of story to tell, and since they limited it to one movie instead of 2 now.  WOW!!!  This movie better be like 3 hours.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on March 25, 2017, 09:54:39 PM
I feel bad for this movie though.  You are going to be telling small origin stories for at least 3 characters.  Bringing the characters together, possibly having the characters resolve team problems, introduce a villain in the way of Parademons and therefore Apokolips lore, AND possibly explain how Superman is also comes back? 

This movie has A LOT of story to tell, and since they limited it to one movie instead of 2 now.  WOW!!!  This movie better be like 3 hours.

I mean, Suicide Squad did most of that...

...oh...
I mean, Suicide Squad did most of that...

...oh...
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on March 26, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
Why, why? The Matrix was 20 years ago. Please, please stop turning everything green. The just can't stop themselves.

It's especially laughable when you see how everything looks behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Batman needs to lose those goggles.

Aquaman looks kind of entertaining

The movie We Need to Talk About Kevin ruins Flash for me.

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on March 26, 2017, 05:07:02 AM
How is it most recent Marvel's movies use CGI but you can barely notice some times (most notably the civil war airport scene; only half the actors were actually on set) but whenever Snyder is filming its a massive overuse of CGI to the point where you're just looking at green screen everything?

And that doesn't count his love of mucky colours, "aggressive zooming" (there was at least one in that trailer) and, especially recently, just stuffing too much content together.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on March 26, 2017, 06:49:15 AM
Batman v Superman and Captain America Civil War had similar plots and story construction....but one was a mess. I really think WB needs to change the guard.

What I think happened is Snyder innovated back in 2006 with 300. We've moved on with Technology but Snyder is now directing 253million budget movies like 65million budget movies. I think he just films for a longer period of time. I actually liked Man of Steel pretty well, but it just seems like he's regressed and it isn't good. I actually still like the movies that get put out, but I just fill some ickiness looking at this new one.

I feel like he just wants to make more Watchmen movies, but he's using the Justic League. I would rather he do that.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on March 27, 2017, 06:34:06 AM
I hated MoS, but I loved Watchmen.  It was a good film and a great adaptation; I was really impressed.  But that was comic that fits with Snyder's style, as was 300.  Batman could as well, but not Supes, nor Justice League.  I'm still more excited for Wonder Woman.

Also, Cyborg looks terrible.  He's got a reverse Phantom of the Opera on a Michael Bay Transformer body.  I'm not sure if it's the CGI or if that's just not a character that works on film.

But Aquaman looks so badass, and I love it.

And don't we "know" Superman is in this movie?  I kinda hope they don't put him in the trailers like they did Doomsday, so I can at least feign surprise.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
Justice League looks so awful.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on March 27, 2017, 12:42:05 PM
Cyborg should have been more prosthetic/practical effects based, as the CGI just isn't quite there to pull it off in this film.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 27, 2017, 04:35:42 PM
The CG is there.  They just didn't do a very good design.  They over designed the Flash, Cyborg and even Aquaman.  Though, the Aquaman design works it is the only one what does. 

They seriously need to ask the question how are these characters making their suits.  I mean the Flash looks like he went into the future and decided to wear the exoskeleton of an android. 

Cyborg just looks busy.  Why the strange angles?  Why not actually design it like a real person would, and make it look as natural as possible to help him blend in?  I would have gone with the new Ghost in the Shell look with Cyborg.  Obviously the frame and design of a human, but you can tell he is not quite human. 

Though honestly, I think they could have and should have dropped Cyborg and done a more traditional JLA team.  I mean why not add Martian Manhunter instead?  Or Green Lantern (which would have been a natural way to tell a space invasion story) or heck even Oliver Queen and Black Canary...you don't even have to worry too much about origin stories because of the TV series.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on March 27, 2017, 10:58:48 PM
I still like my idea for a Martian Manhunter movie.

Initially, it's called John.  It's a black and white-ish  (sorta Sin city) film noir detective story, featuring a mysterious detective named John.  It's told from John's partner's point of view, and the two are investigating a chain of murders.  There's no supernatural or extraterrestrial elements present in the movie, aside from occasional weird things happening (sometimes offscreen) involving John, with him giving half-answers to what' s going on.  Movie wraps up nicely.

Then, the Extended edition is released... and we get John's backstory and all the odd stuff explained.

Obviously, this would be hard to pull off (and even harder to keep secret)... but it'd be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on March 28, 2017, 01:14:01 AM
Cyborg looks terrible. It's a bad 90s design with bad 2010s cg. I'd have gone minimal. Combine Terminator with Jacks.

How does this
(http://www.ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Ray-Fisher-Cyborg-Justice-League-e1471390633256.jpg)
even compare to this

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/98c8a47b4d08a874109e9e43e8dcf3c2/tumblr_inline_mktei7emif1qz4rgp.png)

or even this?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/46/6f/f4/466ff45f471b5bd4a5dc4e8b3d185eb1.jpg)
This cosplayer is just painting his arms and it looks better.

It's really bad when movies from the 80s looks better
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/csvY2ot01yA/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://thewolfmancometh.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/robocop-movie-peter-weller-unmasked.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on March 28, 2017, 01:54:27 AM
Robocop had some massive advantages. Actors willing to suffer for the art for 12+ hours a day. An master craft director. No baggage from previous work. A cast that really enjoyed the work. Prosthetic work was is near it's zeith. A tight script yet the director allowed for input from the actors so they could make the characters their own. They worked with their limitations rather than throw money at the problem.

The big one: It's not a Super Hero Movie like the Nolan Trilogy isn't Super Hero movies. It's a good movie first and Super Heroes second.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on March 28, 2017, 04:29:19 PM
but who thinks jagged metal polygons is a great idea?

With current 3d printing technology they can make a suit that is comfortable. The Human Cyborg is the odd man out for the costumes. All the other costumes rely on practical effects. This one is trying to use all CGI to be fancy, andinstead it's a busy mess.

Opposite of busy mess

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/ex515/images/1/1c/Teen-titans-go-cyborg.png/revision/latest?cb=20150226025620)
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Post by: nickmitch on March 28, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
The writing on that show is often a busy mess.

But the Cyborg in the JL trailer looks like a face on a robot body and not like a human with robot parts.  It's just, bleh.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
Black Lightning!!
(http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2017/03-MAR/BLACK%20LIGHTNING%20First-Look%20Image_58dc239fd02000.11195132.jpg)

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/03/29/first-look-black-lightning-comes-to-life?sf66691643=1
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Lightning will soon strike the hearts and minds of DC fans as a new small screen hero rises. With production underway in Atlanta on the newest #DCTV pilot for The CW, Warner Bros. Television has released the first image of Cress Williams (Hart of Dixie) as Jefferson Pierce—better known as Black Lightning!

The Black Lightning costume was designed by Laura Jean Shannon, whose film and television credits include the upcoming Jumanji sequel, The Jungle Book, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, Blade: Trinity and Iron Man, for which she was nominated for a Costume Designers Guild Award.

The first African-American super hero to have his own standalone comic title, the character of Black Lightning was created by Tony Isabella with Trevor Von Eeden in 1977. The television adaptation tells the tale of a father drawn reluctantly back into the super hero game.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 29, 2017, 10:31:42 PM
Cool, Black Lightning has needed a push for a long time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2017, 11:35:16 PM
well, apprently Wonder Woman may be the 1st DCEU film adored by critics

and Aquaman.... something something under water battles, something something riding armored sharks... something something.

oh and comic accurate Ocean Master and Black Manta.

I guess things are turning around for the DCEU. can only hope JL is good.... supposedly has a 2hr50min runtime at the moment, so it better be good.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 30, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
Are Ocean Master and Black Manta gonna be in JL?  How crowded is this movie gonna be?

I'm excited about the Black Lightening show, but I'm not in love with the costume.  I don't like the blue = electricity motif Hollywood always does.  Still looks pretty cool.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I don't think they'll be in JL, but definitely in Aquaman.

And I refuse to let in even the slightest bit of Hype towards WW, as I'm sure that even if it turns out that I like/love it, I'll have to ultimately go see JL and the process starts all over again.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 30, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
I've written off JL already.  With WW, I can still have hope because Synder's not touching ti.  Plus, the two movies were made too closely together for WW to have influence over JL.
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Post by: Plugabugz on March 30, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
I don't understand how JL plans to effectively introduce 3 "new" characters reintroduce Superman, bring them all together and deal with the plot in 2 hours 50.

I wonder if Black Lightning will be set in the Arrowverse?

Also, apparently Joss Whedon will be directing Batgirl?
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Post by: nickmitch on March 30, 2017, 04:12:33 PM
The movie shoul just be over three hours and do an intermission like Hateful 8.  I'm surprised this didn't become a trend after than movie because the break makes long films so much more palatable. You can go to the bathroom, grab a snack, stretch, and digest the first half of the movie in a 15 minute break.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 30, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
I actually think the costume is pretty cool. My brain did a thing where it just thought it was a comic book drawing.

That blue thing looks like a slot so he can pull his Schlong out though....

It is possible to introduce lots of characters without having a movie that sucks balls. Oceans 11 does it. Both version are well regarded.

There's how many characters in civil war?

On the other hand I just figure justice league will be another "i didn't think ahead and had to cut the movie down type movie" In The Force Awakens we get introduced to three new characters. The movies was equal parts practical effects and digital artistry though. With these DC movies they use so much digital artistry that it actually means they have to rush in pre-production in order to make the schedule so they spend time on cg, which will look dated on arrival.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 31, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
Watching Legends of Tomorrow. It's not bad, a bit too much artificial drama especially every time they flashback or when it comes to the kill or when some one is in jail. It isn't helped that they choose based on what I know one of the most formidable villain DC has.

The writers either don't seem to be able or willing to play the narrative game for more than a few minutes. They would talk of some sort of trust issue, but instead of letting it simmer a little, they play it straight minutes later with betrayal! They good back to this well and others so very often.

One good thing though is they don't **** around when killing people most of the time unless drama!. They have a pretty high mook body count.

The fights suffer from people in an empty area pummelling mooks as they circle the fight. On a technical level they do have some very cool scenes putting that empty room to good use. The fights themselves are better than Super girl by a little bit.

What is the deal with Ice/Fire man and their impractical weapons? I don't know the background of these guys.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 01, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
Finished season 1 of Legends of Tomorrow.

That ending just comes out of nowhere and I am not quite sure what really happened but it was still neat with it paying you off for sticking in with the show. The hell did Captain cold comeback from? Or is it that Doctor Who timey winedy stuff? Did Vandal get erased from the timeline? Didn't seem like it as Rip's family appears to be still dead.

Hawkgirl/guy are an insufferable pair who are the absolute worse characters in the show. So much asinine repeating dramatics. I wish them gone, but I know they aren't going anywhere.

The cartoons really spoiled me on Hawkgirl. She was so badass and when ever she attacks she goes HARARRRUG! Sure she worried about her soul mate but she was much more than that.

Captain Cold's accent is just what the **** is that? Has anybody ever talked like that ever?

It is a good enough of a show to continue to season 2 as the rest of the cast are pretty good and Arthur Darvill/Rip Hunter's intensity is like a locomotive pulling the show along.
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Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2017, 10:37:54 PM
I enjoyed Legends of Tomorrow for what it was and didn't think too hard about the plot holes and other issues. It was a fun popcorn adventure show for me. Captain Cold was my favorite as he had just the right amount of over the top to be fun. He and Heat Wave were the best in that department.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 01, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Yeah it's time travel so plot holes are going to appear like black holes. It most certainly avoided going "LOST". There is a planned out story, they aren't making too much up. A team of damaged goods travelling through time to save the world is a pretty good and clear setup.

They really don't **** around with mooks. **** Chronos and the villains took more care in killing people than the team.

Vandal was a little disappointing as he was mildly menacing in the background rather than being monstrous in his pursuit of his goals. He was more of a half rate Hugo Drax played by Michael Lonsdale in Moon Raker.

They really needed a far more seasoned actor to play him like to Anthony Hopkins in West World. You want a villain who can monologue and hang on his every word and chew up other characters.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 01, 2017, 11:26:56 PM
My only issue with Legends of Tomorrow is that they *try* to explain things, then do things two episodes later that completely contradict the explanation they just gave.

Like, screw that.  There was the episode where they had to stop the Soviets from getting Firestorm tech before the future timelines 'set'.  But the entire storyline for the season was going back in time to stop Vandal Savage from taking over... like, why would Soviet Firestorm timeline 'set', but Vandal Savage timeline be so flexible?

And they try to pretend like they're not making changes to the timeline and interfering the least amount possible... but they just kill and kill so many random 'bad guys' in the past.  Like, those folks have families and ****, you know?  Like, stop pretending like you care about time abnormalities and ****.

Also, in the last episode I watched, they were trying to figure out who the Speedster is that is messing with them.  And they're all like 'All the Speedsters we know are either Barry's friends or dead.'  And two seconds later, you mention Speedsters and their ability to time travel.  Like, are you guys complete idiots?  Maybe the dead Speedster that has already time traveled once before actually time traveled before even meeting Barry the first time?  Or, screw you, idiots... one of your own teammates was resurrected from the dead... maybe he didn't stay dead!  Or, morons, you already know there are alternate realities.  You freaking teamed up with Supergirl from another reality (for some God damned reason) like three episodes ago... maybe this Speedster is from an alternate reality.

The characters don't even know the rules of their own show... how the heck are we supposed to know what's going on?
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Post by: oohhboy on April 01, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
My only issue with Legends of Tomorrow is that they *try* to explain things, then do things two episodes later that completely contradict the explanation they just gave.

Like, screw that.  There was the episode where they had to stop the Soviets from getting Firestorm tech before the future timelines 'set'.  But the entire storyline for the season was going back in time to stop Vandal Savage from taking over... like, why would Soviet Firestorm timeline 'set', but Vandal Savage timeline be so flexible?

The characters don't even know the rules of their own show... how the heck are we supposed to know what's going on?
Time travellers seem to have a far more flexible non-linear timelines that seems to have all events moving in parallel unless they get marooned and become events that get fixed even though it shouldn't happen anymore.Vandal is himself a traveller so he gets to play with his own events and not get crushed under the weight of the paradoxes post Occulus
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Post by: Plugabugz on April 03, 2017, 02:40:40 AM
Legends doesn't seem to take anything seriously, and that's fine as long as we get Mick/Heatwave continuing to be the best thing about the show. He takes *nothing* seriously - except beer - and that shows. Also "seriously? you idiots haven't worked this out by now?" and "who writes this crap anyway?"

Also, the Legion of Doom is much better with all three just chewing the scenery together and almost constantly bickering about everything is everything Savage just wasn't.

The show, however, does need to set its rulebook out very clearly though.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 03, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
Wow, the Flashpoint meta cross over episode was lame as hell. I hope they never do something like that ever again.

Season 2 is flaky as hell and unfocused as the over arcing story is very, very weak due to the above cross-over disease.

As uninspiring of a villain Savage is, he anchored the story so it didn't breakdown into monster of the week which the show isn't very good at doing. Even though he wasn't really a threat the team was in constant danger due to how resource poor they were and they played to those limitations.

Mick has good one liners, but his character's drama is that they keep threatening to revert him.

The other references aren't bad. "She looks like my cousin" got a good laugh out of me.

They also put Rip on the fucking bus. Guess he was too expensive.

As you said, they really need a rulebook as all good shows have one. They show up to situations they solve by killing half the habitants. They are less Time Cop and more Death Squad. If they had a rulebook they can write clever solutions to the problem instead of murdering everyone.

The writers are also condescending as hell. They insist on spoon feeding plot/drama instead of letting the viewer come to the conclusion or have it play out through the actors, well acting.

Lastly they referenced LOST only to pull a LOST. There is no show worse to pull cues from than LOST. It is going to end badly.
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Post by: Plugabugz on April 03, 2017, 02:15:15 PM
Wow, the Flashpoint meta cross over episode was lame as hell. I hope they never do something like that ever again.


That is due to Flash's constant moping just dragging down everything else.

But the three shows can solve their plots by crossing to other shows: Oliver can simply get Barry to grab Prometheus and put him in a prison far away without him realising, Barry can call the Legends to see into the future/ask Gideon who Savitar is and the sequence of events without interfering, the Legends can get Barry to help with Reverse Flash
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Post by: oohhboy on April 03, 2017, 04:38:21 PM
I didn't see any of the other crossover episodes or shows for that matter besides supergirl but that was the worse episode of LoT hands down.

They tried to do The Avengers, but this was straight to DVD and had none of talent to make it work. Avengers was very mechanical, but this was like a monkey throwing **** at a wall.

It's funny that the one time the Legends could murder their way to a conclusion they didn't.

Who was the guy with the pistol? Was he Deadshot or something? I didn't catch his name and I don't think he had any lines.

Felicity is so hot. She is a unicorn but the actor can act and she owned that character. It was the little things like sitting with her legs spread out, her Kara like bubbles and her unlady like body language without being a Tom Boy. Unicorn.

Rip is back! and the show has an actor again. They were dropping references like it was a stand up routine.

Thanks for giving me the download, but I don't really have much context so it does make much sense to me, but that's ok as I am going to forget the whole thing ever happened.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 05, 2017, 04:34:08 AM
Finally caught up to the last episode and my god, the second half is like night and day. And oh look! Some rules are coming into play.

The Legion of Doom is pretty good. I would like more scenery chewed and some diabolic madness and glee as it is a bit boring having them be so rational.
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Post by: Khushrenada on April 11, 2017, 12:05:05 PM
I noticed last night on the AV Club it is reported that Manu Bennett is returning to Arrow. (http://www.avclub.com/article/manu-bennett-returning-arrow-253516) That's really good news since you could say he is sort of the Loki of the Arrowverse and losing him after basically the second season (his one appearance after was too brief and limited to do much) was another thing that seemed to precipitate the loss of momentum and fun of Arrow.

Interestingly, as I read the comments below, there are a lot of people saying that Arrow has a had a real resurgence this season and is apparently getting back to late Season 1/Season 2 greatness. The addition of Deathstroke's return seems to be icing on the cake and not a desperate attempt to salvage the series. Not sure what others who are still watching it here may think.

I've taken a break from whole Arrowverse this year and watching some other stuff instead but now I'm rather curious about catching up again. Arrow is the show I'd be willing to dive back into although, surprisingly, Supergirl is also right there in the top of my interest despite finding the first season pretty weak. I guess I'm just curious about the changes and the fact that it comes off as a bit more positive and brighter while Arrow, Flash, and LoT all feel darker lately. Flash used to be the more fun series but by the end of Season 2 seemed to be losing that identity. With oohhboy's positive comments about LoT Season 2, I've got to admit to now having some interest in that too leaving The Flash at the bottom of the heap. But if Deathstroke is coming back to the Arrowverse, it really energizes my enthusiasm to get back into it all. Didn't realize how much I cared about the character until hearing that.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 12, 2017, 12:52:24 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath about Arrow being a huge improvement in S5. 

It is certainly a bit better than 3 and 4, but I feel comparing it to S2 is a huge overstatement.  The current S5 villain is certainly the most intimidating and interesting villain since Deathstroke and he ends up doing some pretty extreme things, but this show is still full of annoying tripe that just ruins it. 

I suppose what I'm saying here is don't go into it expecting to shelf television because you're going to be disappointed.  At least in my humble opinion.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 12, 2017, 12:53:19 PM
Oh, and if I never hear the trope "I was just trying to protect you" ever again it'll be a day too soon.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2017, 11:09:20 PM
I suppose what I'm saying here is don't go into it expecting top shelf television because you're going to be disappointed.  At least in my humble opinion.

You would need to be watching Agents of SHIELD for that.
Arrow isn't even on the same level right now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2017, 08:29:49 PM
Pilot Preview for Black Lightning
http://season-zero.com/black-lightning-the-cw-pilot-preview-the-most-political-dc-comics-show/
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2017, 06:46:03 PM
Krypton trailer
https://vimeo.com/213733111

Looks like this one moved to Syfy channel. I wasn't aware that it was still happening.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 21, 2017, 03:02:40 PM
It looks completely uninteresting. 
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Post by: oohhboy on April 24, 2017, 04:25:18 AM
Is SuperGirl dead? It has just stopped at episode 17 with nothing and the flashpoint or whatever has passed...
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 24, 2017, 12:26:17 PM
All the Arrowverse shows are on break for a few weeks.  I think they pick up early May.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 25, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
Episode 18 played yesterday.  Seems it came back a bit earlier than I thought. Haven't watched it yet.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 28, 2017, 01:09:29 AM
That was a pretty good episode of Supergirl. Had a lot of heart.

It was great not having people in fists fights in a middle of a fire fight. It is something every show needs to get away from.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 28, 2017, 01:27:19 AM
Does anyone actually watch this trash before they give it to CW? Seriously?

What the hell was that "fight"? Barry just stands there and gets disorientated...AGAIN!!! I thought surely he'd have employed some countermeasure this time to resist her eyes. Or at the very least RUN THE HELL AWAY before she had the chance to get him. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. He just stands there and takes it. What the hell did he expect was going to happen? Somehow he'd now be magically resistant? He even had something like 5 seconds warning it was coming.

Crying out loud why do I do this to myself?

Aside from that tripe it wasn't a bad episode.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 28, 2017, 04:33:00 AM
I only watch SuperGirl and Legends of Tomorrow but given how the movies are working out along with the crossover my feelings can be describe as "Omni-shambles".


It's hard to buy in when you're dealing with some of DC's most powerful super heroes so you keep having to do absurdly contrived things to put them in "Some" danger like poorly done mandatory fist fights.

LoT gets away with this by not having super heroes but super villains or the cheesy loser equivalent.

Supergirl is somewhat weaker than you expect but you don't watch the show to see her fight. Watching her is like watching a kitten, you just can't help but adore her character as she bubbles her way through each episode.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2017, 11:40:56 PM
Short  clip of WW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1fOJ8sghp4&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Stratos on May 05, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
I just read an article about the WW "armpit drama". Pretty funny people got bothered by her shaved armpits when Greek culture (which WW is based off-of) were pioneers of shaving and hygiene. Issue is pretty odd on all fronts.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2017, 06:40:24 PM
And the JL rumors begin....
http://www.slashfilm.com/justice-league-reshoots-rumor/

Massive reshoots... Movie basically remade twice. More reshoots on the way.

Discuss
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Post by: oohhboy on May 16, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
It's DOA. Simple as that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
It sounds like WW was pretty decent though... possibly even good.
Maybe they oust Snyder and Patty Jenkins takes over directorial duties for JL2 and Snyder is used specifically as a visuals coordinator.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 16, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Snyder needs to be kicked to the curb and used as an example how NOT to do DC characters.

They screwed up so much following his direction. 
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Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2017, 02:37:48 PM
They went full steam ahead with JL despite BvS not having been seen by critics or fans.  I think that might've been their ultimate mistake.  That article made it seem like they scrambled after people basically shat all over BvS.  I can't help but think that making an extra movie or two in between could've helped a lot.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 22, 2017, 05:14:50 PM
http://mashable.com/2017/05/22/zack-snyder-justice-league-joss-whedon/?utm_cid=hp-n-1#l7i9_AeCwqqV

OK.  Well I can't say I'm sad that Snyder is no longer helming the project, but I certainly didn't wish it to happen this way.  The poor man.

But Joss Whedon taking over.  This is great news in every respect.  Let's hope he can work his Avengers magic on this and get it on track.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 22, 2017, 05:23:40 PM
Well, the movie is filmed aside from a few more reshoots, right?  And post editing?  How much can you fix what Snyder's already done?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 22, 2017, 05:28:37 PM
Who knows?  It probably is just wishful thinking.  But Joss Whedon knows what he's doing.  Assuming he has the leeway to do it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2017, 06:43:01 PM
The movie is basically finished.  Joss can't change the final edit.  All he can do is add a few scenes, maybe help trim the fat.  This isn't going to save the film, the design, story, themes of the story are already established and impossible to change this late in the game.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 22, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
He might be able to edit a smile on Henry Cavill's face.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2017, 06:41:17 AM
He should be able to edit a coherent story, and with the addition of some extra scenes, tie it all together into something we all at least somewhat enjoy and understand withing the confines of the 2.5hr theatrical run.


But besides taking over Justice League, and prepping to write and direct Batgirl, do you think DC will get Joss to take over the "World Building" oversight of the DCEU? That might be the biggest news to come out of this... the man has experience doing this after all ;)
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Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2017, 06:58:30 AM
I thought that's what Geoff Johns was doing after Batman v Superman: Dawn of Murder garnered so many bad reviews. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to get Joss Whedon in there. Considering how inept DC and Warner Bros. are, I wouldn't be surprised if they run Whedon out of town sooner than Marvel did.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 23, 2017, 07:00:23 AM
Thee first thing he is going to dump would be the music video soundtrack.

2.5hr is really long which would require some very extensive reshooting as there would be plot threads everywhere he has somehow got to tie togeather to resemble some thing called a "Movie".

If I was them I would forget trying to use this movie to setup for the next one. Make it a good self contained movie. If it is good you can branch off characters for their own movies which would effectively give you a soft reboot.

The older movies will still be "Canon" if you care about that, but building on a good movie is far better than trying to integrate all the ****.

I expect the movie to be unrecoverable as the base ingredients are already spoiled.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Especially since they still plan to make the November release date.... I wouldn't be surprised if it gets pushed into next year, but then it has to be eclipsed by Infinity War... or maybe Joss is Marvel's insider to sabotage the DCEU before they ever really get a foothold....
naw, that wouldn't make sense, as they were already sabotaging themselves, Joss would only accidentally improve **** by really wanting to make this into something at lease resembling something enjoyable.

But seriously, depending on the state of the movie... I wouldn't not be surprised if Joss throws his weight around to get EXTENSIVE reshoots done and this movie turns out very different than what Snyder had left on the editing room table for Joss to assemble. Of course that would also probably require a large budget increase, and a release date delay.
But what was it that Shigeru had said, "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."
DC should remember that, now that they got Joss to take the helm and put his name on this.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2017, 11:15:53 AM
It's funny how that's more true for movies than games now.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on May 24, 2017, 02:08:24 PM
It's funny how that's more true for movies than games now.

Mainly because movies cannot get day one release updates?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2017, 05:56:53 PM
Best you get is the director's cut on blu-ray.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
Best you get is the director's cut on blu-ray.

and yet BvS is still terrible, because they didn't directors cut that theatrical release.... in the theater, during the previews, before I watched it. Not that I think it would have helped.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 25, 2017, 09:43:09 AM
The only way a director's cut could've fixed that movie is by cutting it out entirely.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
The only way a director's cut could've fixed that movie is by cutting it out entirely.

Well... cutting out pretty much everything except for the Bruce Wayne and Batman warehouse scenes.and then just extending all of that into a solo Batman movie that didn't introduce Leto-Joker or Zuckerberg Lex.

BUt I hear Wonder Woman is really good, best DCEU movie yet... and that's meant as a major compliment, not just a slight backhanded one.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 25, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
BvS would have been better as a romcom with Batman and Wonder Woman, for sure.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
Green Arrow did Ninja Warrior
https://streamable.com/s9a1x

Public Salmon Laddering on display.
I honestly think he could have gone further if he didn't try to do the 2nd course with no rest inbetween
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
First he gets into pro-wrestling, now this?!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Reviews are in for Wonder Woman, and it is well received by critics!

Metacrtic - 77/100 (http://www.metacritic.com/movie/wonder-woman/critic-reviews)
Rotten Tomatoes - 97% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wonder_woman_2017/)

Edit: More reviews added, scores updated.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
DCTV's Gotham has already outdone the DCEU when it comes to The Joker.

can they do the same thing when it comes to Harley Quinn too!?
//Screenrant.com/Spoiler in the link title-gotham season 3 finale (http://screenrant.com/harley-quinn-confirmed-gotham-season-3-finale/)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 04, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
Reviews are in for Wonder Woman, and it is well received by critics!

Metacrtic - 77/100 (http://www.metacritic.com/movie/wonder-woman/critic-reviews)
Rotten Tomatoes - 97% (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wonder_woman_2017/)

Edit: More reviews added, scores updated.
I actually saw this today and It was well worth it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 05, 2017, 01:09:58 AM
Wonder Woman is indeed great.  It's the most fun I've had at a movie for quite a while.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on June 05, 2017, 04:36:37 AM
Wonder Woo was definitely a good film. I did enjoy how it was about her and what she needed to do for herself and not other people telling her what she can be.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on June 05, 2017, 09:25:07 AM
I was pleasantly pleased with Wonder Woman.  It had something Batman v Superman was missing.

A sensible plot.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 05, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
And charm.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on June 15, 2017, 05:49:36 AM
So, Danny Elfman is now the composer for Justice League. Please bring back the Batman March!

Also, If I were Joss and I had all this coverage of movie on green screen my thought would be to turn it into multiple movies. If a good portion of the movie is action then it really doesn't matter what imaginary thing the crew is punching. If you just employed power rangers show techniques and just filmed the movies you wanted to film you would probably have better movie(s).From what I understand all of these movies are just rushed out by Snyder and they started filming before there was really a script.

I trust Joss because he handled Buffy and firefly. A TV sensibility works well for constructing a shared universe franchise.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 22, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
This is supposedly DCEU's upcoming movie slate. (notice how there are no dates/years listed....)

AQUAMAN

SHAZAM

SUICIDE SQUAD 2

THE BATMAN

JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK

BATGIRL

GREEN LANTERN CORPS

FLASHPOINT

WONDER WOMAN 2

and the story going around right now is that WB/DC may be trying to replace Batfleck after The Batman.

There is also a New Justice League Trailer out, shows a bit of a different look at the movie than what we saw before.

https://youtu.be/g_6yBZKj-eo
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 22, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
That Justice League trailer looks better than the first one. Still not convinced it will be a good movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 23, 2017, 05:42:41 AM
Definitely a better trailer, still have nearly zero interest but will see it because "I have to."
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2017, 07:41:34 AM
Also notice how Gotham City Sirens isn't on that list of movies.
It's supposedly still coming, but not sure why it wasn't on the list though... not that anything on that list appears to have a set date or anything though.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 24, 2017, 08:19:16 AM
Glad they're taking another shot at Suicide Squad.  Kinda bummed about Batfleck.  I think he's getting a raw deal by 1) following the Nolan trilogy (which owes more of its success to Nolan than Bale); and 2) debuting in a **** movie and following it up in another (still highly likely) **** movie.

I'm pretty interested in their lineup; however, I can see Snyder ruining all of them.  I noticed the lack of a Cyborg movie, which, I dunno what they were gonna do with it and the character design is ****.

I'm now back on the fence about seeing Justice League in theatres. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on July 24, 2017, 12:37:28 PM
I'm pretty interested in their lineup; however, I can see Snyder ruining all of them.

Wonder Woman had the same CGI style as all the previous movies; Snyder was still credited. He will continue doing the same going forward.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 24, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
I'm pretty interested in their lineup; however, I can see Snyder ruining all of them.

Wonder Woman had the same CGI style as all the previous movies; Snyder was still credited. He will continue doing the same going forward.

Yeah, but the worst part of Wonder Woman was also the part with the most CGI and most "fit" the style of BvS.  Not enough to ruin it, but enough to be bothersome.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2017, 10:34:04 AM
New Justice League trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-DM9uBtVI

Don't get too excited... It's not that good imho
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on October 08, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
All the Snyder hallmarks are over it visually. I'd like at least one primary colour somewhere.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 09, 2017, 01:09:29 AM
It shows a whole lot of nothing.

I find it so odd that they haven't highlighted Steppenwolfe at all.  He's just been a slightly bigger then average faceless thug in both trailers.  I'm not suggesting we need to be shown his whole arc, but even a slight bit of emphasis and showing him doing something abhorent. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 09, 2017, 07:01:18 PM
It looks...really bad.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2017, 09:08:36 PM
I've shown the trailer to a few people, and it's a pretty consistent comment that they have no idea what's going on in the trailer, and that everything looks so fake.

It would really help if they put just a little emphasis on who the bad guy is so we have some idea of the sense of danger and the immediate threat they face. Don't need to know all the motivations or the whole plot, just a few bullet points on who, what, where and why.

But that scene at the end w/ The Flash really was bad. so if that's the humor we look forward to from the movie... I think it really would have been better if most these characters had their own established movies before the Snyder influence dictated how they look and act.


edit:
Here's another trailer/clip. https://twitter.com/justiceleaguewb/status/917517782815719424 (https://twitter.com/justiceleaguewb/status/917517782815719424)
WW trying to look cute, Flash making a joke, and another clip of WW dancing(?)



(https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J9I5T34zW9PYRB6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2017, 02:44:46 AM
I'm going to see it because I'm weak. It looks terrible, but there is a Justice League movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2017, 09:24:38 PM
New poster

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMbgZNxX4AAYSjv.jpg)

We've got colors, we got names, we got logos.... we have logos making words.
is this not everything we've been hoping for!!

please share your thoughts.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 18, 2017, 10:53:08 PM
I suspect Snyder is having convulsions seeing all this colour in the posters.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on October 19, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
Cool poster.  Cyborg still looks like a Transformers reject.

Regarding the trailers showing little to no plot, I wonder if that's a "lesson learned" from BvS?  They showed Doomsday in those trailers which was a spoiler on how the titular conflict would end.  There was also some backlash on how Doomsday himself looked.  That just makes me wonder if they decided not to  include clips of Superman punching Darkseid (or whoever) to avoid the same comments from fans.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on October 19, 2017, 07:53:13 AM
Superman?  He's not in this.  He's dead, remember?  Look, he's not even on that poster!

-.-
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on October 19, 2017, 08:18:46 AM
The funny thing is, they could've hidden Doomsday out of all the trailers, and left the twist semi-unspoiled.

But all the news about having to CGI away mustaches (http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-cavills-mustache-for-superman-in-justice-league-how-hard-it-is-to-remove-2017-7) completely prevents most fans from knowing.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 19, 2017, 08:31:00 AM
Here is JL: The Flash First look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP23BBlED-o

Q: Does this change anything about whatever your current opinion on this movie is? About the character himself?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 19, 2017, 04:09:19 PM
Not a whole lot. I was just reintroduced to the Flash through the TV show a few years ago. He also doesn't seem at all like the character of Barry Allen.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on October 19, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
What ShyGuy said.  I think I'm more turned off by the character.  It's like they wanted that type of character and cast it as the Flash.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
Well, if you just DGAF about this movie, or just don't care about spoilers, the entire plot of Justice League has apparently leaked....
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/77g7jq/the_full_plot_of_justice_league/doll26k/?context=3

I didn't read it, but i hear it doesn't sound too good. Not too bad either, but really comes down to execution on the big screen as most movies do. Read at your own risk.

and if you do, please share, w/o spoilers... or at least marked ones for us that are curious but don't actually want to know details.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
JL: Wonder Woman first look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKkY9_L8y-E

JL: Aquaman first look
https://youtu.be/EoCN4fvJPZI

JL: Justice League (the team) first look
https://youtu.be/0Abif-hvUgM

And a new poster from fandango
(https://i.imgur.com/t7DyWPQ.jpg)

And one from IMAX
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2017/10/JusticeLeague-IMAX-poster-1-720x1067.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 26, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
I swear the more I see of this the worse it looks.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2017, 10:04:21 PM
and the Dolby poster

(https://i.imgur.com/4Adf0Db.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2017, 10:21:53 PM

WW trying to look cute, Flash making a joke, and another clip of WW dancing(?)



(https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J9I5T34zW9PYRB6/giphy.gif)

She pretty much always looks cute.  Her eyes and facial expressions are just lovely.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on October 27, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
There's roomers floating around that Gareth Edwards (director of The Raid 1 and 2) is going to make a Deathstroke movie.

Given how awesome those two movies were, he's one of the few directors who i will see a movie purely because his name is on it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2017, 06:13:03 AM
I saw that. I just hope he'll cross the aisle and help Marvel fix IF first. Lol
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 27, 2017, 08:53:43 AM
There's roomers floating around that Gareth Edwards (director of The Raid 1 and 2) is going to make a Deathstroke movie.

I thought Edwards was responsible for the recent Godzilla. I looked it up and he did both that and Rogue One which are the two films of his I've seen. However, Gareth Evans is the person responsible for directing The Raid movies and IMDB mentions him as being rumoured to be involved in a Deathstroke project.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 10, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
So early some early reactions to Justice League have been released.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/407661-justice-league-reactions-arrive-online-what-do-critics-think#/slide/1

The consensus is it's not bad apparently.  Far from perfect with its fair share of issues, but it's a fun romp and the team work well together. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on November 10, 2017, 02:21:21 PM
Am I the only one who hates the tagline for this movie with the forced logos in it?

Superman is dead.  Cyborg doesn't have a logo.  Handy that Flash's logo has a circle around it.  You're tying waaaay too hard to force Batman's logo in...

DC folks - see how Marvel made the A in Stark Tower quite naturally flow into the A for Avengers?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 12, 2017, 04:43:05 AM
Yeah it looks really stupid. The poster where they all face each other and for Superman's silhouette (actually it's the first one BnM posted above, "from fandango") is kinda cool though.


They could have used the Flash's logo to form the Y and Batman's to make the T in You and The, respectively, and it would have been slightly less stupid but also still stupid.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
I guess I'll be watching this opening weekend at some point, but I won't be buying the tickets (I financed Thor).

But at least I'm going into this one not expecting to hate it.
The early reactions in combination with the trailer have properly set expectations for me.

For BvS the reviews/reactions kept telling me I was going to love it, yet the trailers never really showed me anything that I liked (outside of Batman fight scenes).
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2017, 03:28:12 AM
The 2nd round of tweet impressions are so scathing.... LOL
I mean the 1st round was already mixed, so it's not that surprising.

I think this will make B.O. Bux just from audience curiosity of how bad/jarring it is, just like BvS.

I'm going in neutral though.... lol. j/k, but I'm hoping to enjoy the terribleness. tickets are paid for by someone else, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is.

No wonder they are holding the reviews till late on Wednesday. LMAO.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on November 14, 2017, 11:07:32 AM
Saw somewhere that reviews go up at 2:50am Eastern time on Thursday.

Holding back reviews until literally the last minute is completely ridiculous.  That shows such a lack of faith in the film.  The only excuse is that they're sure fans will love it and critics will hate it, so the word of mouth might carry more weight than Rotten Tomatoes.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
The second wave of reviews had been BRUTAL.

mentions of how you can clearly see the difference between the Snyder cuts and the Whedon reshoots, from the lighting, CG, background actors and Supermans digitally removed mustache and beard.

Here are a few more recent ones from reputable sites:
Bloomberg: “ substance free and downright hideous. There is not much to love here. Not even Uber-talented Ezra Miller could overcome these issues. Count us #allout”

NY mag: “ at times fun and at others mediocre, JL is never all that bad. But it never approaches the dizzying heights of this summer’s Wonder Woman or even the low peaks of 2013’s Man of Steel”

Vanity fair: “justice league doesn’t take itself seriously and is all the better for it . A step down from Wonder Woman, but unlike other dc productions, it can at least be called a film “

So I say "laugh with them, or laugh at them, but either way I'm laughing"
#disasterflick
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 14, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
So, thoughts on how they're going to handle the reboot?  We think they'll go the completely obvious route and Flashpoint  it?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2017, 11:58:13 AM
I'm pretty sure that's what the Flash movie was already rumored to be...

Edit: apparent that was a fake review. LOL
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2017, 06:55:43 AM
Reviews are out, medicore to not that good seems to be what I've seen so far.

and for those that don't know, apparently WB owns Rotten Tomatoes, and RT has suddenly decided not to reveal the aggregated Tomato score till 24hrs after the review embargo was lifted.

so no Tomato score till 11:50pm pst tonight.
Real slick WB... real slick DC... but I guess that's one way to not push a "negative" narrative and hope you make it through opening weekend before "reviews" take over the headlines. lol
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 15, 2017, 08:09:02 AM
Isn't JL pretty much review-proof? They'll make some decent cash. Probably not stratospheric heights, but enough.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
RT was at 48% earlier this morning (like 1am)
MC was around 50.

We'll see in how review period it is. Lots of people I think ate burned by BvS, but willing to give a 2nd chance after WW.
Reviews could change their mind if they realize it's closer to BvS than WW in execution though.

If opening weekend doesn't hit a respectable number (something far above Thor: Rag) then that could be a sign of diminished interest in this version of the characters.
Batfleck is already planning his exit from this DCEU, so you figure he knows something we don't and he's just not happy with the way things are going. Tarnishing his imdb list with association to all these critically panned releases.

Edit: JL is only tracking for a $110M opening weekend
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-box-office-opening-preview-1202615406/

For reference:
Thor opened at $122M
BvS opened at $166M
MoS opened at $116M
WW opened at $103M

That's not a good sign, this is their penultimate team up movie. This was supposed to be DCEU's "Avengers".
FYI: Avengers opened at $207M

WB/DC leaving a lot of money on the table by rushing thru this for that marvel money while ignoring the basics of good movies first and possible even using the blue print layed out for them of build-up, build up, build-up.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on November 15, 2017, 11:37:16 AM
Batfleck is already planning his exit from this DCEU, so you figure he knows something we don't and he's just not happy with the way things are going. Tarnishing his imdb list with association to all these critically panned releases.

I really don't get why he should care at this point. He's had plenty of critically panned releases throughout his career yet he's somehow walked away with 2 Oscars (and I really think that Argo one was a mistake). Just cash in the cheques for as long as you can and ride the gravy train because I highly doubt he'll find anything that lucrative again based on his career up to this point. The only thing I can think of is that he's been able to rehabilitate his career and public perception a bit with movies like The Town and Argo where he's been lauded more as a director so he doesn't want to ruin that recent critical acclaim although Live By Night indicates it may not last regardless of whether he's in the DC flicks or not.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 15, 2017, 05:55:29 PM
A new movie with Batman is coming out and I barely care. What is wrong? Warner Brothers is wrong.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on November 15, 2017, 06:54:20 PM
The Dark Knight Trilogy was also released under Warner Bros. It's not necessarily the studio that's at fault. It's the creatives behind the work but the studio did let these creatives have some control over the direction and vision of the property so they shoulder some blame. B:TAS is under Warner Bros but so is Catwoman and Batman and Robin. The differing quality shows that the studio doesn't have any specific direction of what to do with the properties and just hands off the reins to whoever impresses them at the moment or fulfill whatever mandate they may have.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on November 15, 2017, 07:01:52 PM
Anyways, hopefully now that DC has their big "Avengers-lite" movie in Justice League accomplished and out of their system, they'll stop focusing so much on needing to get all their heroes in a big team up in a cynical attempt to imitate "The Avengers" in order to generate a lot of revenue like it did and maybe start trying to figure out what they actually want to do with these different properties and characters. Now that they'd done the team-up movie, what is next for everything? Perhaps that will finally help them to start questioning what they want to accomplish now and how they can best utilize these properties to do it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
Tomato Score happens to be a 43%

Snyder is at fault for most of this. Whedon might be the reason some of the film is enjoyable.... particularly the character scenes that Whedon reshot. Had Snyder stayed on and seen this through...
BvS part 2. It probably would have been all bad.

Joss supposedly reshot 20% of the movie, mostly all character interaction scenes.
But really WB should have delayed this movie into next year and gave Joss more time to complete even more reshoots and polish up the CG (which I hear is video game level.... and not in a good way at all).
They could have dropped this in Jan, March, April, August, Sept 2018... and had no other CB movie competition. But they may have had a better movie.

I'm also not sure why the WB exec put a hard 2hr limit on the movie, as I hear the movie kinda suffers from it just a little.

But I agree, hopefully that's the last movie under the Snydervese, and now Jeff Johns can get a "fresh" start working on these solo projects and making sure they are good. Should they build up to another ensemble, hopefully they have a plan in place and not just making it up as they go.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on November 16, 2017, 07:52:03 PM
Not wholly terrible.

I feel about it like I felt about Power Rangers.  Mostly enjoyable, a lot of missteps, could have been great, would see a sequel, wouldn't be uset if the shelved it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2017, 10:01:42 PM
Not wholly terrible.

I feel about it like I felt about Power Rangers.  Mostly enjoyable, a lot of missteps, could have been great, would see a sequel, wouldn't be uset if the shelved it.

So you saw it? (Tomato score dropped to 37%)

Where the reshoots as obvious as stated? Was the Cavill stache erase as noticeable as stated?
Was The Flash really the stand out? Was Cyborg really just kinda.... boring?
Was the CG as videogame bad including the Steppenwolf, as the critics suggested?


edit:
it looks like JL might not only open to less than Thor, but it may open to less than WW.... O_O
http://deadline.com/2017/11/justice-league-box-office-weekend-winner-wonder-the-star-1202210465/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
So, thoughts on how they're going to handle the reboot?  We think they'll go the completely obvious route and Flashpoint  it?

Yes. Flashpoint is coming, and it will feature Batman.
https://screenrant.com/flashpoint-movie-batman-story/ (https://screenrant.com/flashpoint-movie-batman-story/)


edit: and some JL Spoilers below:

"Finished" CGI.... (looks like a snap chat filter)
https://i.imgur.com/JQvKVfx.gif (https://i.imgur.com/JQvKVfx.gif)

Stache Erase.... (just kinda creepy)
https://i.imgur.com/2yNgbZ1.png (https://i.imgur.com/2yNgbZ1.png)

please tell me these are bullshit. Although I sure the stache erase is probably less noticeable in motion... right?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 16, 2017, 11:14:06 PM
That top one is definitely a scene in the movie.  But I didn't notice it looking as dodgy as that gif appears to be.  As I said in the other thread I'm not a CGI detective like so many people seem to be so I may have just plain missed it.

Likewise with that second screenshot.  I think that particular screenshot was taken at a very unflattering moment and probably makes it stand out more then it normally does.  However again, the above caveat applies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on November 17, 2017, 02:00:48 AM
Someone in production must have noticed that CGI-grafting onto a live motion figure like Cyborg and the difficulties that presented.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 17, 2017, 06:53:30 AM
37% sounds like a pass. I hope Thor is number one this weekend.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2017, 07:03:18 AM
Depending on the Thursday preview final numbers....

Justice League could open as low as $74M up to $103M

I believe that's Ant-Man to WW in opening numbers.
BvS really put people on review watch with JL
so much money left on the table.... it's a shame, as I'm really a big fan of the JL cartoons.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2017, 12:15:46 PM
Looks like DC is in panic mode over JL grossing less than the follow-up to Thor2: The dark world
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-dc-hopes-land-a-punch-marvel-1058409

Quote
"If a B character from Marvel shut downs and outperforms the A team from DC, that’s an embarrassment," a Justice League insider tells The Hollywood Reporter, adding, "It’s going to be a stressful weekend for some [Warners] execs."

Grab your lawn chairs and popcorn people. This weekend might be more interesting that just what was showing on the big screens.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 17, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
If they're going to rush through purely to try to rake in money without doing the due preperation then, well they've got noone to blame but themselves.  I feel sorry for the actual cast and crew.  They have the pleasure of being invited to be involved in what should be one of the greatest comic book based productions of all time.  They do their best with what they're given but the money hungry brass just ruin it all.  Possibly to the extent where it could damage some careers.

Marvel certainly aren't perfect, but I applaud them wholeheartedly in how they're handling their universe.  Taking their time, developing their characters.  So much so that they haven't done an objectively bad movie yet.  Sure, some have been pretty mediocre, but none are bad.

In a couple of weeks I won't be surprised if the Flashpoint movie just moved up the schedule a few places.  Though I think they'd be better off if they just made a point of canning the whole thing and starting fresh.  The reboot will still mean the 'new' version will still in some way be connected to the original.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on November 17, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
If they're going to rush through purely to try to rake in money without doing the due preperation then, well they've got noone to blame but themselves.  I feel sorry for the actual cast and crew.  They have the pleasure of being invited to be involved in what should be one of the greatest comic book based productions of all time.  They do their best with what they're given but the money hungry brass just ruin it all.  Possibly to the extent where it could damage some careers.

Marvel certainly aren't perfect, but I applaud them wholeheartedly in how they're handling their universe.  Taking their time, developing their characters.  So much so that they haven't done an objectively bad movie yet.  Sure, some have been pretty mediocre, but none are bad.

In a couple of weeks I won't be surprised if the Flashpoint movie just moved up the schedule a few places.  Though I think they'd be better off if they just made a point of canning the whole thing and starting fresh.  The reboot will still mean the 'new' version will still in some way be connected to the original.

You're right. Some are not as good as others, but none of them have been bad.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
Holy Hell Batman!!
http://variety.com/2017/film/box-office/justice-league-box-office-opening-weekend-below-estimates-1202617685/

Estimated to be coming in at $95M
Oooopsy daisy.

That's down from the original hopes of matching BvS @ $166M
Down the early estimates of around $140M
All the way down to adjusted early tracking of $110M
To late tracking of $105M
And now we settle at early weekend estimates of $95M

That's absolutely terrible as far as expectations go.
Especially since this was estimated to cost about $300M with all the last minute reshoots.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 17, 2017, 01:44:30 PM
I wonder what it will finally take to have WB remove Snyder from the director's chair? Will this be the girder that breaks the camel's back?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on November 18, 2017, 05:28:29 PM

I'll leave this here. Might go see it with the wife tomorrow or Monday since she needs her dose of Momoa.

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-snyder-whedon/#ampshare=https://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-snyder-whedon/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on November 19, 2017, 07:17:12 AM
Rotten Tomatoes is toxic. I've been debating this thought with myself for sometime but after watching Justice League I can safely say that the influence of the RT outreaches its usefulness. This movie was straight up dope. It's even too short for it's own good and needs to be 20 minutes longer.  I'm not saying this because I disagree with the conscience of RT but because it tens to discourage people from using their own opinions in place of a vocal minority. Citizen Kane this movie is not but the reviews would have you think I just walked out of a of a black and white subtitled version Night Trap. The hive mind controls all. Plus RT gave Iron Man 3 a 79% which should have the site investigated by the Better Business Bureau and charges filled by the State Department for fraud in practice.




OR




I have terrible taste in movies. I very much enjoyed Prince of Persia, John Carter, Clash of the Titans(remake).
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 19, 2017, 07:28:58 AM
I don't know if Rotten Tomatoes is toxic, but I think it's over used and should have never become mainstream. It was better when it was basically a site for movie hipsters.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 19, 2017, 08:11:24 AM
Well, If I had to come in from a critics PoV, then there is a LOT of things to be critical about in this movie.
between unfinished effects and obvious reshot scenes inserted it starts off turning your critical eye at the movie fromt he very first scene.

The lip issue was one of the first thing my friends noticed, and I didn't say anything to them about it because I wanted to see how bad it was in the movie.
The the Nickelodeon Gak Splat moment with the Parademons.
the obvious green scene reshoots
Steppenwolf
some of the visual setups AFTER the critical acclaim from WW (i.e. gratuitous butt shots)

as a critic, you have plenty to write about on this one, and as a critic to a follow-up of the critically panned BvS, you don't want to be the one to not point out the obvious mistakes and issues that all the other critics are sure to notice.

But having said all that, from a general audience perspective, this movie was nowhere near as bad as it reviewed. It's actually a little fun, intense at time and for the most part just entertaining.
I told my boys I went with that "Laugh WITH, or laugh AT, but either way I'm laughing.
I managed to do BOTH and I came out having enjoyed the movie.

and coming from me (the resident MCU Spokesperson) I think that says something, especially since I think I was pretty vocal about my dislike for BvS right from the debut of the first trailer.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 19, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
OH MY GAWD. I'm dying over here HAHAHAHA

JL debuts at less than Iron Man
gets off to a terrible WW start
Gets roasted by critics for almost everything....
including this (http://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fJaIdwXe15hJNF6/giphy.gif) seriously, why does The Flash run like that!? is he really an ice skater?
and then I run across this gif

(http://i.imgur.com/HtQ4Slo.gif)

and you realize how much more effort was put into the Chris Evans series than the final effects of Justice League.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 19, 2017, 03:26:08 PM
What series is that?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 19, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
the Evans Laughing series of gifs.

do I need to post them all in one post?

these 2 new ones are amazingly done.


I suppose I could do it here, since the context of ALL the gifs are in reference to the DCEU

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/56fa9dc960b5e9ec335ea67b/1459264985512/?format=1500w)

https://i.imgur.com/Nbf51Yp.mp4 (https://i.imgur.com/Nbf51Yp.mp4)

https://i.imgur.com/9NNUVKa.mp4 (https://i.imgur.com/9NNUVKa.mp4)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/ed2d719ca5c6b60847b40da2bd974753/tumblr_inline_obddkuSy8i1qderj8_500.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/mjEyDap.gif)

this isn't all of them, but just the ones I could find quickly.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on November 20, 2017, 12:11:50 AM
WB/DC leaving a lot of money on the table by rushing thru this for that marvel money while ignoring the basics of good movies first and possible even using the blue print layed out for them of build-up, build up, build-up.

Plan? What plan? Chase the Nolan films without Nolan? WB never thought to themselves that the Nolan Batman was lightning in a bottle done 3 times in the form of Nolan. Nolan managed to elevate a comic book movie into a "Real" movie. Even Nolan couldn't keep that level going and he went out on top.

The only thing they took away even then incorrectly from it was the idea Nolan had with its more realistic take on Batman. What they did take was grim, gritty and dark, like really dark from poor lighting. Nolan even gave them an perfect sequel hook for them to use but not one to start a DCU universe.

Forget about having a good story. Stakes that don't involve destroying the world. Pillars of light. Destruction on such a large scale that people stop caring. Characters you might like or laugh with. Absurd contrivances so bad they should be plot holes. A villain that isn't eating glue.

WB bares the primary reasons for this mess. They choose who to go with to make DCU movies, they set the overall tone. They got what they asked for repeatedly and is more than a Snyder problem given the other properties.

Snyder is the most direct point of blame. Back to Nolan for moment I have found his best describe as "Michael Bay trying to be Nolan" with his super hero movies. He desperately wants to be Nolan but he just can't let go of his personal style and he sure can't remotely emulate anyone else's.

DC can and has shown it can be good in the TV shows, but when they DCU everything they utterly fail with that awful Flashpoint ****. Which is sort of opposite to Marvel where they managed about 2 good shows.

Rotten Tomatoes is toxic. I've been debating this thought with myself for sometime but after watching Justice League I can safely say that the influence of the RT outreaches its usefulness. This movie was straight up dope. It's even too short for it's own good and needs to be 20 minutes longer.  I'm not saying this because I disagree with the conscience of RT but because it tens to discourage people from using their own opinions in place of a vocal minority. Citizen Kane this movie is not but the reviews would have you think I just walked out of a of a black and white subtitled version Night Trap. The hive mind controls all. Plus RT gave Iron Man 3 a 79% which should have the site investigated by the Better Business Bureau and charges filled by the State Department for fraud in practice.




OR




I have terrible taste in movies. I very much enjoyed Prince of Persia, John Carter, Clash of the Titans(remake).
Yes.

Rotten Tomato is terrible as it's statistical  foundations is absurd that produce equally absurd results. It doesn't help everything is graded on an equally absurd curve they promotes score inflation where you can see broken shows get an A score.

Metacritic has the same issue that you are dealing with humanity but they cushion that with better statistical frame work and presentation of the data.

You also have terrible taste in movies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on November 20, 2017, 06:20:32 AM

Yes.

Rotten Tomato is terrible as it's statistical  foundations is absurd that produce equally absurd results. It doesn't help everything is graded on an equally absurd curve they promotes score inflation where you can see broken shows get an A score.

Metacritic has the same issue that you are dealing with humanity but they cushion that with better statistical frame work and presentation of the data.

You also have terrible taste in movies.




I know I do. I like "some" so called high brow films but for the most part I like my movies like I like my women cheap and easy...Hioooooo!  But seriously folks. The sin that is connivence lessens what RT should be and turns it into some kinda topical seal of approval from the movie gods.  Justice would be considered a mid tier Marvel movie I would imagine.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2017, 05:17:28 PM
1st look at Robin from upcoming TV show Titans
(http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2017/12-DEC/RobinFL900_5a21da0d6faed0.44539685.jpg)
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/12/01/first-look-tvs-newest-robin?sf175027241=1 (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/12/01/first-look-tvs-newest-robin?sf175027241=1)


Berlanti is involved, but no idea if this is part of Arrowverse as it is airing on the WB streaming service.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 01, 2017, 08:38:47 PM
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 02, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
Batman Ninja looks awful.  Character designs are too busy andeverything is over the top.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 02, 2017, 02:36:00 PM
It's anime.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 02, 2017, 05:13:42 PM
Ha.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on December 03, 2017, 12:21:44 PM
I thought Ninja Samurai Batman looked pretty cool.  Didn't like that it was a "Batman falls in an alternative universe" scenario.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 03, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
1st look at Robin from upcoming TV show Titans
(http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2017/12-DEC/RobinFL900_5a21da0d6faed0.44539685.jpg)
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/12/01/first-look-tvs-newest-robin?sf175027241=1 (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/12/01/first-look-tvs-newest-robin?sf175027241=1)


Berlanti is involved, but no idea if this is part of Arrowverse as it is airing on the WB streaming service.

Oh no...
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Hawk and Dove from Titans
https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/titans.jpg?w=768&h=654
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/titans.jpg?w=768&h=654)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2017, 05:41:48 PM
So, they're definitely not "teen" Titans.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2017, 06:49:56 PM
At least the costumes don't look like cheap cosplay.

The Berlantiverse crossovers are gonna be on some Infinity War **** pretty soon, as you know they are gonna connect them all.

Personally, I've stopped watching ALL the CW Arrowverse shows, as it's just too much, too many shows, too many episodes, and if I kept up, that's practically all I would be watching.

I'm sure it'll be easier once it's all binge-able on Netflix over the summer or something.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 17, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
I stopped the Arrowverse shows at the end of last season too.  Far too laborious viewing.  I found myself yelling at the TV because of all the ridiculous decisions way too much.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on December 19, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
So my wife and I finally went to see Justice League, and surprisingly, my wife was the one more pissed off and ranting. She is fairly casual so it was quite interesting to hear her so wound up. I'm also impressed with how much she caught on a first viewing.


She really liked Wonder Woman and Aquaman, but was furious over the new Flash. She loves the Arrowverse so I can't really blame you, Arrowverse Flash is MUCH more likable and befitting of the role. Don't want to hate on the JL Flash actor as he did have some funny bits, but he didn't feel like a Flash. Would have been much better if he was a different character (maybe the Blue Beetle if they wanted another young and slightly awkward character without confidence?).


She also went off on the crappy CGI, everything from SuperLip to Steppenwolf to just the general art style and overuse of CGI. I think she genuinely expected something more in line with an MCU style film. They really should have taken a bit more time to put everything together in separate films before trying to dive into a full JL film.


The whole time afterwards we theorized how the film could have gone with the main Arrowverse characters, and it really hit home how much of a complete miss it was to ignore them in the DCU films. Despite the missteps of the shows in recent seasons there is a lot of goodwill there and a strong fan base. They should
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2018, 09:23:54 AM
Jeoff Johns and Jon Berg outted as the 2 incharge for the DCMovieVerse
new leadership to lead the way now...
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/warner-bros-taps-walter-hamada-to-oversee-dc-films-production-exclusive-1202652878/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

They were literally brought in just in time to not diffuse a bomb, but try to minimize it's damage... then get forced to fall on the sword for the destruction it left behind? Welp... that's business.
Hopefully this new guy can get into these projects early and steer this ship back on course.

Aquaman being the only movie too far in to do nothing about (and maybe it will be good?).
But Shazam, WW2, and The Batman can hopefully be something that stands apart from the previous snyderverse that came before it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2018, 01:57:26 PM
Good/Bad news guys.

Joss Whedon no longer working on Batgirl.
Paraphrase: "it took me months to realize I had no... Um... Story. I'm a failure, sorry for wasting your time"
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-exits-batgirl-movie-1087384

No, I'm not joking. LMAO
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2018, 03:02:52 PM
That's pretty funny, but kind of fucked up for anyone hoping for a Batgirl movie.  They could've found someone who had ideas from the start.

I'm just hoping they can get a woman to write/direct and that there isn't any sexual bat-tension with her and Bruce.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 22, 2018, 04:15:55 PM
Adapt Batgirl:Year One. Easy peasy
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
I saw one report that one viewer said nice things about an early Aquaman screening...they've got 10 months left to **** it up. I honestly think I'm done with DC movies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2018, 06:15:09 PM
Adapt Batgirl:Year One. Easy peasy
I am okay with anything but The Killing Joke. Batgirl: Year One would work pretty easily yes.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on February 22, 2018, 07:18:09 PM
To be fair, The Killing Joke (the GN, not the terrible animated movie) was a *great* Joker story.  It was a terrible Batgirl story.

I say, make Batgirl Alfred's niece and give everyone nipples but her.  That's grade a storytelling right there.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on February 22, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
As long it isn't an origin story because **** everyone we have enough of those to sink a cargo ship.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2018, 08:00:54 PM
I'm pretty sure "I couldn't come up with a story" is a cover for something else.
Either Joss really had just lost his touch, or DC is such a mess for him after his involvement with JL , their firing of executives, and complete disorganization and lack of a plan for the DCEU, that he decided to walk away from a passion project of his.

Almost none of the projects in the DC pipe right now have the original director attached.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
So now that Marvel has executed Thanos with attention to quality befitting a villain of such stature.
10 years and 19 movies of development through mostly teases before a starring role in the biggest movie ever.....

....where does this leave DC and their plan to bring Darkseid to face the Justice League?
We all know DC was trying to rush to this point, but Marvel still beat them to the Ultimate Big Bad showdown. With on the surface Darkseid and Thanos being so similar... should DC still push forward with the "plan"?

Or just reboot the entire thing?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Just make some decent movies. They're 1 out of 5 so far.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2018, 09:33:50 PM
but that doesn't address the concern of them repeating "Thanos" vs the Avengers Justice League, only with much less build up and fanfare.

Should they still proceed with Darkseid, as stated in JL or should they swerve and do Starro or Bizarro or Braniac or whatever other big villains they got before diving straight into Darkseid?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on April 29, 2018, 09:50:59 PM
They need to throw away the idea they will ever have a DCU. They have lost the war.

They have DCTV going good for them and hope to god they don't **** with it by adding a U to it. They can't handle a universe. When they bring all these people together the crossover either meltdown like Flash over or they do ok but I don't think they know why.

They need to stop making comic book movies and just make movies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
As much as I have always wanted a shared DC movie universe, I have to agree.  DC  and Warner need to scrap everything and just make good movies.  In spite of the numbers Marvel is producing, I do feel audiences are starting to get worn out on keeping up with everything (I haven't finished JJ2 or bothered with Runaways yet) and I don't think they're interested in getting invested in yet another giant franchise.  Even more so one with such a spotty record.

They need to realize that folks already know most of these characters.  Take a page from the animated movies and just tell good stories, throw in some easter eggs to fans (Teen Titans Go! is going to be an amazing film) and remember to have fun with it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
but that doesn't address the concern of them repeating "Thanos" vs the Avengers Justice League, only with much less build up and fanfare.

Should they still proceed with Darkseid, as stated in JL or should they swerve and do Starro or Bizarro or Braniac or whatever other big villains they got before diving straight into Darkseid?

If they can make a good movie with Darkseid, that has more reason to exist than "We planned on Darkseid showing up" then go for it. I don't think they can. I don't think they have any motivation for a new Justice League movie period.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 30, 2018, 12:53:07 AM
The Nolan Trilogy broke DC's brain. They took away all the wrong lessons from it. They mistaken "Grounded, bent of realism" for grim/dark when that wasn't actually a thing in Nolan. It's like saying Keaton Batman was grim/dark when it was Gothic.

The trilogy isn't a interconnected universe and it was never meant to be. Watch any of the 3 films and you have a self contained complete stories. You don't need Begins to watch Dark Knight, Begins doesn't need DK nor does DKR need any other. You don't even need to know anything about Batman to enjoy any of them. Yet they can be viewed as a trilogy, it's both.

Man of Steel the first test of new DC movies post Nolan showed how DC was never going to put out a good movie. They didn't know why Donner Superman worked and grim/dark is being dark for the sake of being dark, some times literally with awful lighting. They also have no idea how to make a good movie in general. MoS first act is pointless, who cares about Krypton. All we need to know it blew up. Superman 2 doesn't setup Zod in their own act. Donner didn't need to as the title of General and his callous actions on earth informed us of who he is. His past died with Krypton as much as it was for Kent, it doesn't matter. Who cares if you see him try to start a coup, it's irrelevant.

Another big thing is Donner and Nolan doesn't punch the problem away. Supes punching a Nuke isn't helpful. Nolan has to detain Joker and sacrifices himself to stop Dent. Dent only shoots a couple people and they arguably deserve it. The threat is emotional, the legacy and justice Dent was. Joker's threat is an idea, an idea he uses to undo people. Supes doesn't punch Zod to submission, he has to be clever. The threat from Zod isn't planetary destruction with some machine of pillar of light, it's your compliance and if he has to he will personally get it.

Marvel does get around this problem somewhat by making the punching a little bit clever. They still punch alot of problem away via minions and each other but the coup de grace isn't quite that. Avenger 1 Tony "Sacrifices" to close the portal, they don't punch the portal away. Yes it is a nuke, but it is how they use the nuke is the loophole. Iron Man 1 opening is the same but reverse. Tony works towards punching the problem, the cleverness is before the punching. Nolan Batman has to be clever to solve the problem.

Superman Returns has problems but punching isn't one of them. It's why when he uses his powers it is epic and meaningful. Him having to rescue Lois is tense and it's is very real to Lois therefore is toe supes. He doesn't instantly save the day, he has to think, he has to be clever and it ends with that Donner "I will show you a man who can fly" where the crowd absolutely goes wild like it would in real life, seeing something amazing and that bleeds into the audience, it's pure. Capping it with airline safety is just amazing.

Donner, Nolan didn't make Superhero movies, they made movies that had those characters but treated them like they didn't have a cape. You would have to tone things down a fair bit but Batman could have been an ex-cop who after some trauma fights crime on his own terms yet have the same beats as N/Batman did. Superman didn't need to be Kryptonian. They use them as enhancers, visibility, to jump start the movies, waste little time on the origin story. N/Batman transcends Batman into legitimate movies as does Donner. Like Blade or Death of Stalin would you have ever guessed it came from comics if you knew nothing about them?

but that doesn't address the concern of them repeating "Thanos" vs the Avengers Justice League, only with much less build up and fanfare.

Should they still proceed with Darkseid, as stated in JL or should they swerve and do Starro or Bizarro or Braniac or whatever other big villains they got before diving straight into Darkseid?

If they can make a good movie with Darkseid, that has more reason to exist than "We planned on Darkseid showing up" then go for it. I don't think they can. I don't think they have any motivation for a new Justice League movie period.

**** Darkseid. All the above states why you shouldn't use him. They don't have anything built up, everything they have is a dumpster fire. They shouldn't even be thinking about Darkseid or crossover or any universe or huge villain.

They need to dump being edgy, epic, emo, dark and abort everything that came before. They need to stop being reactionary. They need real proper respectable directors, another Nolan to jump start DC so people actually want to see DC movies instead of rightly expecting another **** show. One they have their credibility back they can make other standalone movies and have no expectations to turn it into a trilogy or even a sequel. I cannot empathise how much any new movies has to be stand alone for them at this point.

DC transcending the genera is what would get them out of the hole they dug themselves while Marvel gleefully buries them. They need to be like Nintendo who got out of head on fights, not to tread the same ground. The animated movies shows how it can be done.
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Post by: Adrock on April 30, 2018, 06:03:57 AM
Those are all really solid points except I’d argue that The Dark Knight Rises needs at least The Dark Knight for context. Nolan does his best to give the audience everything it needs, just doesn’t quite get there. That’s splitting hairs though.

I don’t see how DC can fix its current dumpster fire. It has one genuinely decent movie (Wonder Woman) and one passable popcorn flick if you can ignore that it lacks nuance to the point that it doesn’t even understand Superman beyond he’s-a-strong-guy-who-flies. On YouTube, MovieBob suggests straight up Flashpoint. However, DC would be just soft rebooting everything so why go through all the trouble when the only real casualty to a hard reboot is Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman. Yes, that sucks because she’s far and away the best and nearly only good thing about the DCEU, but that’s the cost of well, just about everything oohhboy said.
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Post by: Stratos on April 30, 2018, 06:48:09 PM
They could always do a hard reboot but keep her cast as WW. Its a fictional universe. Treat a new WW in a new DC world similar to how MCU Hulk allows room for -without a complete retcon of- the previous Hulk film.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 30, 2018, 09:19:32 PM
No reason they can't keep her. Maybe it will stop their base nature to do yet another origin story.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 01, 2018, 01:20:49 AM
For that matter, I kind of like that the WB movie-verse is potentially all over the place. I think they should just let different directors or producers tell the story they want with a character. If one director wanted to do a movie with Superman in a futuristic city of tomorrow in a comedy facing off against Mr. Mxyzptlk and someone else wanted to do a Nightwing movie set in the 80's in a Die Hard type situation against a contingent of the League of Assassins holding some people hostage, I say go for it. And if a third person wants to make a movie where Superman and Nightwing team-up with Martin Manhunter to stop a White Martian invasion in a sort of Twilight Zone / Invasion of the Body Snatchers atmosphere then do that to because I don't really care how they can all exist in the same universe or how they would be connected. I don't care if it is a new actor playing the same character for each of those films or the same actor playing all of the characters. It's about the story for me.

To me, most superhero characters are malleable and able to fit in a lot of genres or settings. ...I propose they follow a different Disney path. The Pixar path. Finding Nemo is a different universe than Toy Story which is a different universe than The Incredibles or Wall-E or Inside Out. They've got varying different styles and stories yet their self-contained nature does not diminish them. However, by ensuring that the end product is good for each film, it has created a brand loyalty so that people pay attention when Pixar releases a new film. It almost becomes a ritual to see the latest one. Even though they may have a clunker or two like Cars or Brave because they're unique some people can still like them and there's the knowledge that next time will be different for those who don't like it. I think DC should try and tailor their movies to that approach. I feel it could make for a very special brand of movies and be their best approach to compete with Marvel and possibly create something special like The Dark Knight did. Make it story focused and that each film tells the best story it can with that property or in the setting it's given. Don't worry about connectivity and setting up future sequels or other franchises. Keep it as self-contained as possible.

Once again, people are stealing/paying homage to my ideas:

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that’s partly because DC and Warner have adopted a new strategy: Let’s rethink that whole universe thing. They’re not giving up on the idea of continuity, but they want to deemphasize the idea that all of these flicks are occupying the same space. “Our intention, certainly, moving forward is using the continuity to help make sure nothing is diverging in a way that doesn’t make sense, but there’s no insistence upon an overall story line or interconnectivity in that universe,” says Nelson, drawing nods from the top brass around her.

This new approach already has a test case, and, by any measure, it was a successful one: Wonder Woman outearned every other movie this summer while scoring a 92 percent on Rotten Tomatoes — higher than nearly every Marvel movie. And one of the keys, as Nelson and her execs saw it, was the fact that it more or less told the viewer to ignore the rest of the universe and just focus on what was in front of them. There was a tiny nod to Batman v Superman, but that was it. “The movie’s not about another movie,” says Johns. “Some of the movies do connect the characters together, like Justice League. But, like with Aquaman” — one of their next efforts, out in 2018 — “our goal is not to connect Aquaman to every movie.” As Nelson puts it, “Moving forward, you’ll see the DC movie universe being a universe, but one that comes from the heart of the filmmaker who’s creating them.”

One of the centerpieces of this new, decentralized strategy is an as-yet-unnamed side label of occasional movies that are completely separate from everything else, set entirely outside the cinematic universe. Total stand-alones based on good ideas from big-name filmmakers. Movies that are just movies, not components of a larger piece of clockwork. The first one they’re talking about is a solo outing about supervillain the Joker, set to be directed and co-written by The Hangover and War Dogs alumnus Todd Phillips. Johns says they’ll be announcing the name of of this side label “soon-ish.”

From this article: http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/dc-wonder-woman-movie-strategy-universe.html

I'd never seen that article before but it's an interesting history on DC's attempts to start matching Marvel's Entertainment efforts from about 2009 on. Now the article was published in September before Justice League came out and WB did another executive shake-up. However, despite Geoff Johns not being the president of production of DC movies along with Berg, he is still advising the new president of WB comic book movies. Reading the Vulture article I link shows how Johns has been shafted around a bit by WB and yet, despite ups and downs with his involvement, his strength is definitely in advisory capacity and writing so if they actually use those strengths, it may help them start sorting things out as they go forward. As well, the comments from WB since Justice League are still re-iterating the less shared universe stance.

Still, no one really knows what WB is planning for the future for their comic book movies. There are so many announcements and cancellations and changes on projects from the past couple years that just make the studio look like a bumbling mess tripping over itself to do something with these properties that could make it some money if they can figure out what to do with them. Personally, I've stopped paying attention to DC movie announcements at this point. Until a trailer is actually made public along with a release date then it's just rumors and gossip, so to me, the only thing WB is making right now is Aquaman (which I realize doesn't have a trailer yet but it has finished shooting so it's definitely in the pipeline) and that's it. For now, that's fine by me. Take some time to sort that division out instead of the divided state of affairs it's been in since at least 2009.

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Post by: oohhboy on May 01, 2018, 03:50:43 AM
LOL Aquaman. Movie is doomed.

They need to let the Joker lie low for a while. He is great and all but there are non-Joker villains that are more dangerous and insidious than he is. Clock King is one scary mofo, fights Batman to a stand still, came close to winning with nothing more than a watch, an impeccable sense of timing armed with only an umbrella.
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
They could always do a hard reboot but keep her cast as WW. Its a fictional universe. Treat a new WW in a new DC world similar to how MCU Hulk allows room for -without a complete retcon of- the previous Hulk film.
If DC hard reboots the continuity, Gal Godot as Wonder Woman would confuse people. She would be a tough yet necessary loss.

DC should skip elaborate origin stories altogether if it reboots its shared universe, even the lesser known heroes. Use a quick flashback if it’s narratively relevant (similar to how Marvel handled Thanos). One of my favorite Justice League Unlimited episodes is “The Greatest Story Never Told.” It addresses yet never dwells on Booster Gold’s origin. It’s used as a means to humble the character and teach him how to be the hero he already thinks he is. The episodes shows how much can be accomplished with very little.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
What funny is Thanos is basically Darkseid, but now it will seem like DC is ripping off Marvel. They should honestly just stop making movies...at least connected movies.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 01, 2018, 04:29:50 PM
I know the idea was to have a Justice League 2 with Darkseid but the news seems to pretty much be that is cancelled since WB is not keeping Snyder around much going forward and, IIRC, they didn't even reference him in Justice League. So, there was no real major set-up for a Justice League 2 and Darkseid coming to Earth unlike BvS which tried to show a glimpse of what Darkseid coming to Earth could be. I read an article yesterday in which the writer talked about the leadership of the studio being greatly at fault in the Justice League failure. I particularly liked these lines: "It was a combination of the studio's earlier panicky, reactionary decisions, and their handling of these properties in a rush that treated this massive team-up property -- this enormous potential anchor for the future of the entire shared DC Comics IP -- like a bad piece of luggage to be hurriedly dropped by the roadside and left behind" and "Justice League was treated as a project to just dump and be rid of, instead of taking as much time as needed to get it into the best possible shape."

That's what it was. Now, although the author talked about how WB should have delayed and waited until they got it right, Justice League's budget was already at 330 million by the time it was released. They weren't going to keep waiting and ballooning the budget up more. I'm pretty sure WB knew they had a failure on their hands so they tried to cheaply fix it be having Whedon come in and hopefully work some Avenger magic on it but, otherwise, they were done spending money on it and just wanted it out and over with. Of course, then they acted shocked at how it wasn't a huge smash like The Avengers but I'm sure they already knew it wouldn't be. They didn't have much faith it in and, by the end, it also exposed how they didn't have any real goal with these properties except that they would make the studio money.

That's the big difference. Marvel had the idea of making movies like comic books. You can have different series of comic books which have different adventures and tones but there are also special events and series where the characters can team up and sort of inhabit a shared world. No studio would ever commit to a 20 picture deal or close to it like Marvel has ended up working out towards Infinity War because there is no guarantee how well it could be received and maybe the public would tire out way in advance. Even when the Lord of the Rings filmed all three of their movies at the same time, that was seen as an incredible risk by the studio because if the first one bombed then they would be stuck with two other movies that people might not see either and might be stuck with the cost of all that production. So, Marvel started off slow with Phase 1 being a lot more self-contained stand-alone films with just a little bit of crossing over in them. But after Avengers then the movies began to become a lot more of a shared universe although it still had some standalone type movies like Ant-Man.

WB didn't want to go through the long process that Marvel did. Marvel proved that comic book heroes make money so just get to the team-up and make bank. They wanted it done in about 3 movies. Batman's already a draw thanks to the Nolan trilogy so introduce Superman in Man of Steel. There's that big name. Have the two face off while introducing Wonder Woman and begin the shared universe and then have Justice League next so that like The Avengers they can instantly start raking in that cash as well. That's what the WB plan has been. Rush to the Justice League to become a big money making studio like Disney. Problem was that in the rush to get to Justice League quickly the first few movies were heavily criticized and they didn't have much of a plan after that of what to do with these properties or what the goal of releasing all these various DC properties was except to become more franchises the studio could count on making instant money for them. Sure, Snyder obviously had a bit of planning about the future of the DCU and where to take things but even that, I think, was limited in any major plan for each individual character. When they finally got to release Justice League, it just exposed how their was no major purpose to this endeavor except to try and cash in on these superhero properties. Once that cash didn't really come with Justice League, now they've begun to realize that it isn't such an easy thing to replicate or that these movies are guaranteed to succeed because it is a comic book movie.

The great push/pull of movies is artistic vision vs commercial appeal. What the DCU movie experience shows is that the main existence and purpose of it was to make money. There was no creative reason for the movies to exist. At least, nothing that the studio executives in charge of this division seemed to think about or care about. It's why they didn't really bother getting much input from the comic side of the business or value their opinion much in the process of making these films. I don't know what they based their quality control on but I think as long as the scripts met their basic idea of what a superhero movie should be or if it compared well to the Nolan trilogy then they just went with it. Marvel movies exist to make money as well. It's as much to bolster the brand and sell other merchandise as it is to entertain. But, to their credit, at least they try to make sure their movies entertain the fans of those characters and have them perform the superheroics they want to see from these characters. It's a chance to adapt some of the popular stories from their comic history and they have a bit of a narrative of where they want to take these characters in this interconnected universe. Where they've failed sometime is in telling a stand-alone story by getting too bogged down in trying to set up future events and movies or just having a pretty weak story in the first place. Sometimes it has been in the deviation of a character like The Manderin though that can be mixed. Likewise the deviation from comic to movie was mixed for Superman and Batman in the DCU but that didn't necessarily doom the films. It was a combination of poorly told stories, deviations from the source, the copying of tone from the Nolan trilogy like that was why it was successful and no creative purpose for the films to exist. Nolan and his brother obviously wanted to make a Batman movie and wanted to get involved in that world. It comes across in their films. Snyder may have had some vision for these characters but did he have any major goal in creating the films that he did or was it more that he wanted the paycheck and being in charge of a possibly major studio division/project?

But that's enough rambling from me. That's my take on what WB/DC need to ask and figure out when moving forward on their plans. What is the goal? If it's to just make money, that can still work. But it requires a better understanding of the product then they've currently shown. It's also why comic book movies still aren't going to be taken that seriously by critics or the industry aside from the box office totals they do or don't rake in and worrying about the effect they have on movie audiences by making it harder for smaller films to survive.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 01, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
Also, as a quick aside, I'm not a big fan of Darkseid as a major movie villain. The only writer I think who ever made Darkseid an interesting and worthwhile foe was Grant Morrison. I've never really read the early Jack Kirby stuff to know how it compares but Darkseid generally is kind of a one note villain in other writers hands. Even in the Superman Animated Series, Darkseid was treated as the biggest threat of the Superman villains but he was just so-so in that as well. I don't care if he's thrown on the backburner of the WB movie plans for years to come.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2018, 07:17:23 PM
I'm pretty sure the Big Bad (Steppenwolf?) in JL was saying that Darkseid was coming, and that's why he was collecting Mother Boxes or something.... right?

I was a little tipsy when I watched it. But I thought he was like the World Prepper for Darkseid's arrival.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 01, 2018, 07:59:28 PM
I'm pretty sure the Big Bad (Steppenwolf?) in JL was saying that Darkseid was coming, and that's why he was collecting Mother Boxes or something.... right?

I was a little tipsy when I watched it. But I thought he was like the World Prepper for Darkseid's arrival.
Blessed are you not remembering.

No more planetary threats.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 01, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
Yeah he was name dropped once.

It's almost like Joss Whedon was trying to do WB a favour by removing all expectations for future movies in that universe.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 02, 2018, 01:41:37 AM
Ha ha ha! Yeah and or WB knew they were closing the book on the Snyder vision so they just shut down trying to set up more of his path.

That reminds me. I never did say much about Justice League because when I decided to take the plunge and check it out I was in the middle of a move and didn't have internet but my main take away was lukewarm. I didn't hate it nor did I really love it. It had elements that showed a potential for a great movie and other elements that were pretty dumb and hokey. (The family in Russia just waiting for the League to save them from the para-demons, for instance.) Ironically, despite not featuring him in any of the advertisements for the film, Superman seemed to be the star of the show and I felt it was the first time in three tries that WB was actually kind of successful in their handling of Superman. In fact, the Superman element is probably the biggest reason why I'd ever watch that movie again. When Superman wasn't on screen, all the characters seemed to wonder, where's Poochy Superman and how much they need him. The League verses Superman battle was the moment when I was actually happy this movie existed.


In the end, Superman kind of outshone the League in the Steppenwolf battle and didn't really seem to need the others that much. Outdid Flash in saving people and easily went toe-to-toe against Steppenwolf and pretty much removed any threat the character had up to that point. Although that probably works counter to the idea and premise of the movie because why do you need a League if Superman can do it all? The only thing I was kind of surprised and disappointed about was that, during the Superman vs the League battle, Barry didn't somehow get briefly flung back in time or ran into the past to tell Bruce to find Lois like how he did by suddenly showing up in BvS with that warning. It was at that point I realized this movie probably didn't care that much about trying to stick with whatever Snyder had planned but it still bugged me that such an easy connection between the movies couldn't have been made.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
Gotham gets renewed for a 5th and Final (:() season
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/

building of the Bat.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 13, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
Gotham gets renewed for a 5th and Final ( :( ) season
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/ (http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/)

building of the Bat.
Better to go out on top.
I never watched it. I wasn't interested in Back story: The Series.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 13, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
How old is Bruce currently in the show?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
Gotham gets renewed for a 5th and Final ( :( ) season
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/ (http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/)

building of the Bat.
Better to go out on top.
I never watched it. I wasn't interested in Back story: The Series.


It's actually highly entertaining, once you just accept it for what it is, and bask in it's beautifully shot cinematography.

How old is Bruce currently in the show?


I would guess around 16 or so...? He is seen driving at one point or another.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 13, 2018, 09:13:26 PM
So, they're going to wrap up by making him Batman when he's about 17?

Yeah, I'm glad I skipped out on this even though BnM has always been the one person I've seen be positive about the show to keep me interested.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
they could time skip... or not quite Batman at the end, but on the path to become the Dark Knight.
I don't know. But I really enjoy the show. It's crazy, silly, ridiculously campy, and fun.

And for not having the actual "Joker" they sure had the best live action "Joker" so far.

Parts of it are stupid. but like I said before, you have to buy in, especially starting early in the 2nd season where it just kinda jumps off the rails and never looks back.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2018, 11:46:03 PM
Gal Gadot is DCs Hugh Jackman. They could just keep her around and CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE REST OF EVERYTHING.

Maybe not bother so much with good continuity until they iron out what is going on with the rest of the characters. It works for James Bond movies.  Q and M were the same people, but Bond changed a few times. There is even a precedent. Alfred was played by Michael Gough for the first 4 movies. There were 3 different Bruce Waynes.

We'll just have to see what Matt Reeves does unless he gets fired. Hasn't The Batman been in development hell for almost 3 years now?

If I were making a Batman movie I'd just make a Mr. Freeze movie that is an adaptation of Heart of Ice. It's too bad Michael Ansara is dead because I just watched Soldier from The Outer Limits the other day and he was quite physically imposing. My first choice for Freeze right now would be Matt Frewer.  Peter Weller would be good too, or maybe Ed Harris. Or someone who isn't already bald who is a great actor. Lawrence Fishburn? Sometimes it's good to stretch the role a bit. Michael Keaton was excellent as The Vulture. Keanu Reeves? Alex Winter? I'd probably redesign the suit to look more like an EVA suit.


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Post by: oohhboy on May 14, 2018, 03:19:04 AM
It's actually highly entertaining, once you just accept it for what it is, and bask in it's beautifully shot cinematography.
Not saying it is a bad show at all and probably quite fine. I watched a little and came to the conclusion that this is something that I neither need or want. It is it's own thing, it doesn't insist on itself, it doesn't barge in on some other continuity begging for viewers and validation.

It's not aggressively selling a clearly dead dog rotting in the sun as a bike. It's just selling a bike as a bike. The thing I would change is calling it Gotham Police and ignore Bruce existence/journey as it is really uninteresting time drain. A beat cop dealing with Gotham level crazy crime is more than enough.
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Post by: Plugabugz on May 14, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
Lucifer has been cancelled, and that kinda annoys me.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2018, 07:45:01 PM
So the DCTV Arrowverse is introducing Batwoman and the city of Gotham next Fall.
http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/17/cw-superhero-crossover-batwoman/

too bad they can't bring the show Gotham over ("10 years later" as in this season that just ended happened when Oliver was on the island 10 years ago?)
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Post by: UncleBob on May 18, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: oohhboy
I would change is calling it Gotham Police and ignore Bruce existence/journey as it is really uninteresting time drain. A beat cop dealing with Gotham level crazy crime is more than enough.

I really enjoy Gotham and have very much enjoyed this take on the early years - but I would absolutely agree.  I have, by far, enjoyed Jim and Harvey more than Bruce and Alfred.  Almost every time they bring him into the plot, it seems forced.  And Selena is terrible.  And Barbara. Ugh.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2018, 02:33:53 AM
I really just want to carry over the villiains.... and the cops.
New actor for Bruce, Selina, and anyone else that was young.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 19, 2018, 05:58:14 AM
I never watched any DC shows but I thought about starting to watch Gotham, but the whole thing they did with the Joker is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: segagamersteph on May 19, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
The DC shows are pretty good. Gotham has to be watched on it's own context but if they do bring it into the Arrowverse then it would be fine by me.

I have had issues with Gotham but over all I enjoy the show. And it could easily merge into the Arrowverse with little work.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2018, 04:09:58 PM
Since its apparently too much to read the original source material even adapting DC products to the Big Screen, hopefully they at least were paying attention to Gotham....

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joker-jared-leto-standalone-movie-warner-bros-1202831025/
WB/DC Green lights new standalone Joker Movie... Starring Jared Leto. LOL
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Post by: ThePerm on June 05, 2018, 04:51:06 PM
I really want DC to start treating their movies like graphic novels. DC does not need to have continuity between movies. I wouldn't mind multiple series of different interpretations going at at a time. Just like in comics.

Long before Ben Affleck was Batman I thought it would be awesome for a project greenlight type show where they get a group of 9 directors and give them a budget and see what they turn out culminating in a Batman movie. The budget for each movie would grow. That would be the best show ever. You would get an interesting show about making movies and you would also get a bunch of movies.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 11, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
Geoff Johns standing down.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/geoff-johns-stepping-down-as-dc-entertainment-president-and-cco? (http://au.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/geoff-johns-stepping-down-as-dc-entertainment-president-and-cco?)

I wonder how this will affect things?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2018, 12:27:23 PM
He's going from high level oversight, to writing, producing and on set appearances.
It could be a good thing, he's getting more directly involved in a hands on way.

At least from what I read about about it earlier.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: segagamersteph on June 11, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
I thought I also read Jim Lee was taking his place, so whatever it was he did there's at least someone taking over who's competent enough.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2018, 08:55:12 PM
I propose they rebrand the DCCU as the Wonder-verse and make her the pillar of those films w/ Batman as backup. They are starting production of WW2 and that seems like it is the only good and reliable thing they got going right now.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2018, 08:55:54 AM
Besides Joaquin Phoenix being cast as the Joker in the "Joker Origins" movie

Here is the first show of Captain Marvel aka Shazam
(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F07%2Fs_217365213893798210903211.jpg&w=1100&q=85)

ignore the sculpted foam shoulder muscles.
Hopefully it's fun.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 11, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
Prediction: this will be bad.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 11, 2018, 02:03:36 PM
1/10 of the people going to the movie will be like "where's Shaq?"

1/40 of the people going to the movie will be like "where's Sinbad?"
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 11, 2018, 05:35:56 PM
The other 9/10 won't see it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 11, 2018, 08:21:53 PM
I think Zachary Levi will really give it his all, as long as the script doesn't suck it could be okay.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2018, 10:16:27 AM
Isn't the Rock in this? Good chance it's then watchable?

I actually like the costume.  I just wish the pointy parts on the lightning bolt were more pronounced.  Looks like he's wearing a deep V.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 12, 2018, 11:03:24 AM
Isn't the Rock in this? Good chance it's then watchable?

I actually like the costume.  I just wish the pointy parts on the lightning bolt were more pronounced.  Looks like he's wearing a deep V.

The Rock has been cast as Black Adam in the Shazam series, but the Rock confirmed he is not in this one.

https://lrmonline.com/news/the-rock-says-there-isnt-a-black-adam-cameo-in-shazam/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Ugh, he's like Shazam's main villain.  Reading the article, I'm not sure I'd be excited for a stand-alone Black Adam film with the promise of them maybe meeting. :^/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 12, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
having the main villain isn't always required of a first movie in a series. This one is going to be an Origin story because I don't know **** about Shazam. There's probably going to be a bunch of really old dudes wanting to see this though.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2018, 07:19:35 PM
His origin is boooooring, though.  Some kid falls in a cave and is given powers by an old wizard.  The powers even come with the costume and enough brains to know to use them.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 12, 2018, 07:37:18 PM
Here is the bad guy lineup for Shazama (AKA CAPTAIN MARVEL HIS REAL NAME) (https://i.imgur.com/9krVhEA.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 12, 2018, 08:41:43 PM
One of them I imagine will get a redesign. We know he is a bad guy, but Cobra Commander couldn't even wear a hood.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 12, 2018, 09:15:55 PM
There's a guy named Captain Nazi? Wow, I did Nazi that coming.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2018, 10:44:10 AM
Blue Wave incoming!!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiPRPRlV4AA9D8P.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 16, 2018, 04:24:22 PM
Whoever designed this poster really likes killer whales.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 16, 2018, 04:56:00 PM
Aqua Dude will be the end of the DCEU...calling it now.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 16, 2018, 05:39:39 PM
I think it's already over, and this is an unfortunate mess that got left behind.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 16, 2018, 05:48:49 PM
Wonder Woman will probably remain popular like Wolverine.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 16, 2018, 07:16:57 PM
I bet it sees a huge drop over the first one.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 19, 2018, 08:02:21 AM
Titans Trailer.  Brace yourselves, it's dark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dIwGAYcWk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dIwGAYcWk)
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Post by: oohhboy on July 19, 2018, 08:19:18 AM
Video Not Avaliable.
LOL it isn't that bad or dark?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 19, 2018, 08:55:19 AM
It's pretty bad, but I can still see it.  Could be country restricted?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 19, 2018, 09:10:16 AM
Titans Trailer.  Brace yourselves, it's dark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dIwGAYcWk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5dIwGAYcWk)

I was waiting for the AfterDark Films and Horrorfest presents......
looked like one of those trailers for one of those straight to DVD budget horror films you've never heard of, that comes on before some horror movie you also never really heard of, but checked out because the cover looked mildly interesting and you were bored.....

I might check it out though, as I love cheesy horror movies sometimes.
This is straight to the DC Streaming Platform, right?
I think this was too dark to even crossover to Arrow.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on July 20, 2018, 12:11:41 PM
It's pretty bad, but I can still see it.  Could be country restricted?
I found it elsewhere and **** Batman. It is beyond bad. Whose bright idea was to make this?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2018, 12:36:00 PM
It's pretty bad, but I can still see it.  Could be country restricted?
I found it elsewhere and **** Batman. It is beyond bad. Whose bright idea was to make this?

Dark, Brooding, Edgy, Adult, it's the DCCU way.
It's worked for BvS, SS, and most of JL, why wouldn't they continue the trend on the DCUniverse TV streaming service? Those movies were tremendous successes with so much praise. You thank DC for making those movies, bringing comic films back to where they are supposed to be.


pre-post edit..... I said wouldn't. I meant would.
"Why would they continue the trend..."
yeah.. that's what I meant to say. "**** Batman" lol
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 20, 2018, 01:27:55 PM
Trying to go after the Marvel Netflix shows, just taking it a step further. 

I wonder how they're feeling about the generally negative reaction about the trailer?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on July 20, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
Trying to go after the Marvel Netflix shows, just taking it a step further. 

I wonder how they're feeling about the generally negative reaction about the trailer?
Why in the **** would you do that when it's the Marvel TV shows that are in trouble. DC has a perfectly good series of TV shows and animation that isn't tied to the boat anchor that is DCCU. **** Batman.

Re-watching Superman Animated series, so good and god I am still in love with this version of Lois.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 20, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
No idea.  But that's what it looks like. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on July 20, 2018, 04:39:19 PM
Wow.  That looks... just terrible.

At least I still have Teen Titans Go!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on July 21, 2018, 10:04:05 AM
So...has DC said anything about those Batman: The Animated Series BluRays they announced at the start of the year? It seems they've gone completely radio silent on those, outside of releasing some of the middling B:TAS movies on Bluray.

And yes, Titans looks awful. It's always looked awful. DC's had no idea what to do with the Titans since the early 2000s Teen Titans ended.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 21, 2018, 02:12:19 PM
Aquaman trailer.  I'm on board.  Looks like a fun romp.  I'm not one to complain about CGI usually but I do hope it gets a lot more polish between now and release. 

https://youtu.be/WDkg3h8PCVU
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 21, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
I thought the Shazam trailer looked surprisingly meh (was expecting garbage), but Aquaman looks horrible.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 21, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
but Aquaman looks horrible.

Compared to the majority of the DCEU movies thus far this is high praise lol. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 21, 2018, 04:19:43 PM
That Titan trailer looks like the biggest pile of rotten trash DC has ever created.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2018, 10:49:17 PM
Aquaman....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkg3h8PCVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkg3h8PCVU)

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I'll probably watch it, but not in the theater unless someone else is excited and wants someone to watch it with, or it gets really good WOM.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 22, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
But Shazam looks like it might be kinda fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY)


Looks like it's missing the lightning from the heavens though.

Zachari "Chuck" Levi has that playful child-like personality to make this work.
Hopefully it's just as fun as the trailer makes it look like it could be.

Maybe the trick for DC is to get New Line Cinema involved. lol
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 22, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
I think Shazam will be a bad movie, but it will be fun. Absolutely zero plans to watch anything from DC in theaters ever again though...except maybe the Joker origin but *only* because of Phoenix.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on July 22, 2018, 09:47:08 AM
Aquaman is giving me flashbacks of Adam Jenson's "I didn't ask for this". Instead of taking it in stride and be a badass he wants to sit on his ass to brood.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 23, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
I saw Aquaman being described as Black Panther, but reverse/from Killmonger's perspective, and I think that's pretty spot on from watching the trailer.  Looks like it'll have some really bad parts, but be overall good?

And I thought Shazam looked a lot better than expected.

His origin is boooooring, though.  Some kid falls in a cave and is given powers by an old wizard.  The powers even come with the costume and enough brains to know to use them.

So much for the "Wisdom of Solomon", lol.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 23, 2018, 03:26:42 PM
Only relation I pick up between BP and Aquaman is bad CGI.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2018, 03:44:06 PM
Batman: The Animated Series' BluRay collection is finally up for pre-order on Amazon. Includes the complete series, Mask of the Phantasm, Subzero, and what looks like a hefty booklet & lithographs.
Oh, and it also includes some really crappy-looking bobbleheads that belong in the trash.
(https://i0.wp.com/batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/BTAS-Complete-Deluxe-Limited-Edition.jpeg?resize=696%2C445&quality=80&strip=info&ssl=1)
https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Complete-Animated-BD-Blu-ray/dp/B07FPRXFJ1 (https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Complete-Animated-BD-Blu-ray/dp/B07FPRXFJ1)
Warner's been very tight-lipped on whether this collection is a true from-the-film restoral or whether it's more of an upscale. Given that Nickelodeon took a decade to release a really crappy Avatar: TLA BluRay upscale, I have my doubts about this but I have to believe that WB cares more about Batman than Nickelodeon cares about anything.
It's coming out in October, and I'm totally getting it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on July 23, 2018, 11:51:17 PM
Only relation I pick up between BP and Aquaman is bad CGI.
OH SNAP!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2018, 10:10:38 AM
Only relation I pick up between BP and Aquaman is bad CGI.
OH SNAP!


That's what she Thanos said.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2018, 10:14:19 AM
Only relation I pick up between BP and Aquaman is bad CGI.


Funny, my wife made that comparison as well. "BP with more diversity" was her exact comment, which I found kinda ironic. We are going no matter what because my wife needs her dose of Momoa.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 24, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Shazam looks entertaining, Aquaman looks like a Super Hero movie made before the MCU existed.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 24, 2018, 05:35:53 PM
Only relation I pick up between BP and Aquaman is bad CGI.
OH SNAP!


That's what she Thanos said.

Dat. Zinger.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2018, 07:19:09 PM
DCWTV doing what DCEU can't seem to figure out....

(https://i.imgur.com/m3riz7f.png)

I wasn't even aware The CW was doing a Batwoman show. Looks like she will appear on Arrow first.

is this the same chick that was on OitnB?
https://deadline.com/2018/08/ruby-rose-cast-batwoman-the-cw-dc-crossover-tv-series-lesbian-superhero-arrowverse-1202441696/
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 07, 2018, 08:06:34 PM
Yes she is BnM.   I am glad that they are getting the casting right with this.   I love the DC TV shows a bit more than the DCEU right now but I think the DCEU is heading in the right direction. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 07, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
I might watch the crossover when they introduce her to have a look, but I can't do the Arrowverse shows anymore.  I get too annoyed at them.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on August 08, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
I can put op with the annoyances on the Arrowverse in small doses, but not for all of the shows at the same time. Even if they weren't becoming more annoying, it is too overwhelming to watch them all together. Too much other good TV to watch.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2018, 11:32:05 AM
I saw a preview for the new upcoming season of Arrow. Made me kinda curious to go catch up and see what's going on.

I've lost all interest in The Flash at least a season or 2 ago.

LoT sounds like people like it, but it also looks so out there, that I just can't bring myself to get back into it.

Supergirl I still check out from time to time

Black Lightning is the new ****.
But I'll tune in for the Bargirl debut, see what that's all about.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2018, 12:30:31 PM
I saw mixed reactions to the casting on twitter.  Some people were ecstatic at the representation, while some people implied she can't act?  I haven't seen her in anything that I can recall.  It seems good on paper, and the only thing I can say is I don't think she's ginger.

BTW, I only read Batwoman for a little bit, but I distinctly remember her being a redhead with a red wig.  Which was weird.  The added length was part of the disguise, however.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2018, 11:26:55 AM
 Gotham getting a 5th and Final Season.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/

To focus on Bruce becoming Batman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on August 13, 2018, 10:00:59 AM
I thought this was already confirmed? I predicted 5 seasons originally, and had hoped they would use it to launch a new Batman show.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2018, 04:57:35 PM
Is the DC Streaming service going to be worth it?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 07, 2018, 05:26:10 PM
**** Batman. Does that answer your question?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2018, 06:38:05 PM
I mean, that aside, classic DC animated shows (my soul for Static Shock) along with their newer Animated movies....
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2018, 01:46:31 AM
The new stuff varies a fair bit. When they use that bland "Standard" sort of animé look like Son of Batman good chance you're in for a mediocre film. The characters and the plot are pretty nice but then you have really stupid and dumb stuff like a hand cranked Gatling multiple barrel arrow launcher. I know they are the League of Assassins but what? It would have been badass if it wasn't shooting at black hawk helicopters with miniguns. It looks silly in a bad way.

The blandness of the animation and these absurd silly moments really deflate the whole thing.

When they break from this going with a Western derivative like the older X-Men looks it's much better. When they ape the old B:TAS ,S:TAS you're in for a treat even when it is silly as **** with Brainiac Attacks. You can feel the effort and the thought of achieving this look. Throwing the story board at the Korean animation company saying animate this and walking away is super lazy compared to demanding a certain style and doing the more stringent QC.

When they bring in the classic VA, well you're off to the races especially if they have Lois Lane paired with Dana Delany(Her irl personality is not too dissimilar to Lois). Maybe it's a script thing but Tim Daly on the other hand not so my, lacks the cheekiness a lot of the time. Brainiac Attacks brings this back full force while completely clowning Lex deep into comic relief.

Justice League Action looks matches the fun tone.

**** Batman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 12, 2018, 07:52:21 AM
Henry Cavill isn't coming back as Superman. RIP DC universe.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on September 12, 2018, 08:32:16 AM
It’s as if Warner Bros. should just reboot the whole DCEU.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 12, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
I would be willing to say goodbye to Gadot to get rid of the rest of the chuckleheads.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 12, 2018, 01:24:25 PM
It's sad that Cavill never got a chance to really shine.  He's been hamstrung the whole time.  I really believe he could have done really well as a proper, optimistic and hopeful Superman if he'd been allowed to play the role properly. 

But let's be honest.  He's probably happy that he's now got an opportunity to bail given the trainwreck the whole thing is. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on September 12, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
The DCEU has been a complete mess since BVS onwards.

Everything is inconsistent and not making any logical overarching sense while the decisions they do make screw up the Arrowverse by taking characters offl-limits when they already planned to use them (like Deathstroke last season, Harley Quinn earlier on).
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on September 12, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
I'd be content if DC just focused entirely on their animation & television divisions, which (aside from Supergirl) have generally been fine.

With the increasing power of geek culture, I kind of wonder why people still seem to think we need terrible Marvel & DC Live Action movies for legitimacy.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2018, 03:14:23 PM
Henry Cavill not coming back is a shame.  Sure, his movies were terrible, but I think it had more to do with the writing and directing.

Ben Affleck is also reportedly leaving.  I still haven't seen Justice League, but I liked Ben Affleck as Batman in BvS.
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Post by: broodwars on September 12, 2018, 03:26:38 PM
Henry Cavill not coming back is a shame.  Sure, his movies were terrible, but I think it had more to do with the writing and directing.

Ben Affleck is also reportedly leaving.  I still haven't seen Justice League, but I liked Ben Affleck as Batman in BvS.

Yeah, honestly there was only one problem in the hero casting for these movies, and that was Ezra Miller as Barry Allen. Can't speak for the Aquaman actor, because I don't think even DC knows what his character is. When the actors were allowed to be their characters, they were all fine.

Now, Jesse Eisenberg on the other hand...ugh...
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 12, 2018, 03:28:13 PM
https://au.ign.com/articles/2018/09/12/superman-michael-b-jordan-reportedly-being-considered-to-replace-henry-cavill

ooooooooooooooooook
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Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2018, 03:57:15 PM
Henry Cavill not coming back is a shame.  Sure, his movies were terrible, but I think it had more to do with the writing and directing.

Ben Affleck is also reportedly leaving.  I still haven't seen Justice League, but I liked Ben Affleck as Batman in BvS.

Yeah, honestly there was only one problem in the hero casting for these movies, and that was Ezra Miller as Barry Allen. Can't speak for the Aquaman actor, because I don't think even DC knows what his character is. When the actors were allowed to be their characters, they were all fine.

Now, Jesse Eisenberg on the other hand...ugh...

That was such a bizarre interpretation of Lex Luthor.  I think they know less about what they were doing with Lex than with Aquaman.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2018, 04:00:54 PM
https://au.ign.com/articles/2018/09/12/superman-michael-b-jordan-reportedly-being-considered-to-replace-henry-cavill

ooooooooooooooooook

I mean, if they wanna do an Earth 23 thing, then sure.  **** it.  Let's go for it.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 12, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Personally, I have no idea why any self respecting actor would go anywhere near a DC property with the way things are.  It's a poisoned challice.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 12, 2018, 05:11:00 PM
This show called "You choose poorly" certainly is unpredictable.

A conflicting statement from Cavill's agent says he is back in. I am not inclinded to believe them but what is the price of dignity these days?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 20, 2018, 12:49:09 PM
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/09/20/arrowverse-crossover-casts-a-frightening-new-villain

This year's crossover villian has been cast.  Jeremy Davies will be playing Dr John Deegan, an Arkham doctor.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 20, 2018, 07:52:56 PM
Oh, hey, more Batman-lite!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 20, 2018, 09:26:15 PM
So for some reason in the newest Batman comic (Batman Damned) it actually shows his dick. Twice. His penis. Bruce Wang. What. The. ****.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 20, 2018, 09:35:44 PM
I saw that.

**** Batman?? You don't have to imagine as hard.

Can we have less Batman, for reals? Give be Huntress and Question shenanigans duo. Staring Amy Acker and Jeffrey Combes. Please? Pretty please?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 21, 2018, 12:11:43 AM
Bruce Wang.

They've actually decided to edit it out.  There's now conveniently placed shadow over his nether regions because the brass decided that his little fella's inclusion 'added nothing of value or substance to the tale'.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 21, 2018, 03:06:15 AM
They should have kept it in just for LOL.

Sort of like in the 80's and 90's you would have random tits or some dude just swinging for a couple moments. A naked ripped guy walked away with buns of steel, a piece of meat for everyone to see. Everyone would nod in agreement of how much man was shown.

Points to Die Hard 2: Die Harder. Harder indeed.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 21, 2018, 06:49:26 AM
Bruce Wang.

They've actually decided to edit it out.  There's now conveniently placed shadow over his nether regions because the brass decided that his little fella's inclusion 'added nothing of value or substance to the tale'.

This is the right move honestly.  Art should tell a story and full frontal nudity in that scene really did add nothing.  I understand it was already hidden in the shadow anyway, to the point that it almost looked like nothing.  I believe they could have been even more subtle and kept it in.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 21, 2018, 06:55:08 AM
Have they? The shadow was always there, it just had an outline of the mushroom-capped crusader. Pretty sure there are two versions of the comic - one with and one without.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 21, 2018, 12:57:13 PM
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/09/heres-your-first-look-at-joaquin-phoenixs-joker-in-makeup/

I really hope this isn't the final look.  Just looks like a cheap generic clown.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 21, 2018, 03:29:18 PM
I'm sure it's not. That is not the joker.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 21, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
DC! My DC! Why have you forsaken me??
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 21, 2018, 05:24:36 PM
You know, it isn't awful.  If you are trying to tell a story about a comedian clown that through tragedy ended up so damaged he became an insane monster the look works.  Also the look works because it isn't scary, it actually looks like a normal person in clown make up, and it is the funny friendly clown look...that actually makes it more terrifying to me for some reason. 
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Post by: ThePerm on September 22, 2018, 01:13:13 AM
I think I know what this will be like.

Watch Buzzard and Ape

https://www.amazon.com/Buzzard-Joshua-Burge/dp/B00TPTB6Z0

https://www.amazon.com/Ape-Joshua-Burge/dp/B00IMYR1NA/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1537603907&sr=1-1&keywords=%22Joel+Potrykus%22
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 22, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
More footage of the Joker. He looks a little better with the classic suit.

(https://i.imgur.com/mQXEHOh.png)

https://www.tmz.com/2018/09/22/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-in-action-filming/
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/joker/joker-joaquin-phoenix-is-all-smiles-in-these-riotous-new-set-photos-from-his-upcoming-standalone-feature-a163697
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Post by: ThePerm on September 23, 2018, 12:21:35 AM
I saw other photos..but that photo...looks menacing.

Though It kinda reminds me of my halloween costume. The joker is an amzingly flexible character. When I dressed up as Joker for Halloween and a comic con a few years ago I cut my hair during the week and it changed the look drastically. I hope he has 10 costumes in the movie.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 23, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
I have to say that NWR is an excellent time capsule. It is good to see what peoples thoughts were at the time. Back in 2005 I had my own ideas on what Joker in a movie should be. I think what ended up on screen was pretty spot on, which was great.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=12808.msg174373#msg174373
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=23634.msg401487#msg401487

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=25981.msg451034#msg451034
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Post by: broodwars on September 24, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
Meh. Personally, I don't think the Joker look works in Live Action. The usually have to grotesque it up, which just looks bad compared to the comic or animated designs IMO.

Jack Nicholson pulled it off, though.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 24, 2018, 07:37:41 PM
I think there's going to be a point where he has really clean makeup. In the announcement video the projection looks very different. It would be great if the movie was an anthology movie of origin stories.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 25, 2018, 03:01:23 AM
That Joker look doesn't look much different from Ledger's take.

I am quite sick of Batman and Joker. Pick something else you hacks. You have a massive collections of villains and heroes, do something mildly creative. Pick Space Cabbie or Booster Gold can't hurt given the track record. Picking Space Cabbie can give you a bunch of wild shenanigans as one hero or another takes a ride.

Justice League Action playing Batman as a joke is good. Then there is the Joker episode where he is doing standup for Mongul with really, really bad jokes. Firestrom is unbelievably irritating with his incessant catch phrase(Don't drink game) but Booster Gold episodes are good. If you want your DC hit just watch any of the animated stuff.
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Post by: broodwars on September 25, 2018, 04:39:14 AM
That Joker look doesn't look much different from Ledger's take.

I am quite sick of Batman and Joker. Pick something else you hacks. You have a massive collections of villains and heroes, do something mildly creative. Pick Space Cabbie or Booster Gold can't hurt given the track record. Picking Space Cabbie can give you a bunch of wild shenanigans as one hero or another takes a ride.

Justice League Action playing Batman as a joke is good. Then there is the Joker episode where he is doing standup for Mongul with really, really bad jokes. Firestrom is unbelievably irritating with his incessant catch phrase(Don't drink game) but Booster Gold episodes are good. If you want your DC hit just watch any of the animated stuff.

Yeah...umm...I actually really don't like Ledger's Joker on a fundamental level. Nothing against his performance, just that his character is a rejected 24 villain, not the Joker. Hell, he's closer to a Live Action Anarky, who amusingly Beware the Batman ALSO tried to use as a stand-in for The Joker.

While I'm pissing everyone off anyway, THE HEAT IS ON! :P
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Post by: nickmitch on September 25, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
I didn't really like Beware the Batman, and the Anarchy thing was one of the reasons.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 25, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
I think it was because he didn't make a pencil disappear.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 25, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
...one of the many reasons.

Although it did begin to be slightly enjoyable towards the end.

But, yeah, they were all "We're not going to just tell Batman vs. Joker stories.  We're going to dig deep into Batman's history and use characters that have never seen animation before!", then, they dig up Anarchy - an interesting idea and (and not to get political) a character who could really have had some interesting stories lines.

Then, they made him into Joker Lite.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 25, 2018, 01:39:23 PM
Then, they made him into Joker Lite.

This.

Was the Mad bomber who bombs at midnight Batman Beyond? That was a very good episode. I am not sure if it was something they dug up but man, it was nice to see something new.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 25, 2018, 02:29:57 PM
LOL

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/batocrat
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Post by: Stratos on September 25, 2018, 03:49:02 PM
With how great Mark Hamill's performances as Trickster in Flash and the animated Joker, I would love to see him given the chance to do a live action Joker. Give us the Batman Beyond film we have all been asking for and to a re-imagining of The Return of Joker , maybe adding in the elements of the cancelled 2nd Beyond flick involving Cat Woman.
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Post by: broodwars on September 25, 2018, 04:48:55 PM
...one of the many reasons.

Although it did begin to be slightly enjoyable towards the end.

But, yeah, they were all "We're not going to just tell Batman vs. Joker stories.  We're going to dig deep into Batman's history and use characters that have never seen animation before!", then, they dig up Anarchy - an interesting idea and (and not to get political) a character who could really have had some interesting stories lines.

Then, they made him into Joker Lite.

OK, is it Anarchy or Anarky? When I googled him this morning, the latter spelling came up, presumably because it could be trademarked.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 25, 2018, 04:58:36 PM
I also wasn't a huge fan of that show's Professor Pyg.  Like, they obviously could go the comics route, but the direction they took wasn't doing it for me.
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Post by: Khushrenada on September 25, 2018, 07:02:21 PM
It's Anarky.

Batman Beyond had a character called Mad Stan who was always trying to blow things up in order to protest social issues. He was played more for laughs than a serious thread. Batman the Animated Series had a person called The Mad Bomber in the episode Beware the Grey Ghost (famous for Adam West's roles as the Grey Ghost) but it was just a one-off character who was copying his crime from an episode of the Grey Ghost.


As for the Phoenix Joker movie, I could see him having well defined clown make-up at the start but it getting more smeared and ruined as life falls apart around him if they are taking a page from The Killing Joke and the idea that one terrible day could push a man to madness.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 25, 2018, 07:19:01 PM
I love Mad Stan. He is so damn irrelevant. Blow it all up. Once he's on a rant, he's unstoppable!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2018, 12:55:38 PM
Titans will stream on Netflix outside the US. 

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/dc-universe-titans-netflix-1202962994/

Seems like DC's superpower is making bad decisions and causing people to hate them.
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Post by: Plugabugz on October 01, 2018, 03:27:29 PM
But what alternatves do they have? Their app is US only - a point they forget to mention.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 01, 2018, 07:32:21 PM
Good heavens, they are dumb.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 03, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Harley Quinn animated show for DCUniverse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBvIyGqQYI


I didn't get to watch it yet, so I may edit in a comment later.

edit:
Actually looks like it could be fun. there's also a Deadpool reference. LOL
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 04, 2018, 06:39:36 AM
Why does everything have to be edgy?  When everything is edgy, nothing is.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
Why would prison officials let Harley Quinn keep her hat/mask?
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Post by: nickmitch on October 04, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
Didn't care for trailer.  It was trying way too hard to seem self-aware and not actually preview the show.

Why would prison officials let Harley Quinn keep her hat/mask?

How else you could tell it was her?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2018, 09:13:49 PM
Guess Who!!!?

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--i9RURyB0--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zpl38ub1ei3cm81jo9jl.png)

Hint: The Main Man is coming to Krypton
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Post by: broodwars on October 04, 2018, 09:52:11 PM
Guess Who!!!?

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--i9RURyB0--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zpl38ub1ei3cm81jo9jl.png)

Hint: The Main Man is coming to Krypton

Oh. I saw that photo earlier today & legitimately thought it was a Battlefield Earth Turl costume. -_-
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Post by: oohhboy on October 05, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Oh. I saw that photo earlier today & legitimately thought it was a Battlefield Earth Turl costume. -_-

HAHHHAAaa. nice.

I am looking forward to the Harley Quinn show. She needs a stronger accent but otherwise it's looking good. Good on Batman for dropping by and shots fired at Deadpool.

Definitely not **** batman.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 05, 2018, 01:14:49 PM
I just realised that Harley is voiced by Penny.  That's an interesting choice.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 05, 2018, 01:20:18 PM
Why would prison officials let Harley Quinn keep her hat/mask?

It was mentioned in a comic (I think early Shadow of the Bat) as part of a therapy, criminals were allowed to keep their costumes so that they would be comfortable in familar clothes and eventually shed the costumes as they improved with treatment. I don't think this worked, because later issues showed the patients back in uniforms.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Lobo looks like bad Rob Zombie cosplay.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 05, 2018, 04:07:55 PM
If it even helped in allowing villains to be calm and more manageable it would be worth it.  We are talking about a prison that houses some seriously powerful criminals.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 05, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
https://youtu.be/ZmqJJqFX_CU


Ya know, I'm surprised I'm saying it, but this Aquaman is starting to look appealing. The leads have good chemistry and they gave him his suit!
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Post by: oohhboy on October 06, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
I am thinking why give him a suit in the first place(toys). Just because he is a super doesn’t mean he has to have a suit, he is ripped enough to go without. The suit would ruin one  of his assets.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 06, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Is he just ascending to full hero status though?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2018, 09:54:54 AM
The new trailer actually makes the movie look pretty interesting and fun.
Looks like DC may have another Wonder Woman situation here... not imagine if they took the time to establish all these character before letting Zach Snyder ruin them?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2018, 07:08:39 AM
CW's Batwoman leaked

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpEdbEEW4AEKUxa.jpg:large)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2018, 07:52:46 AM
That BatWoman Costume is actually pretty good.  I like it a lot.  The Red in the cape and the length of the cape work.  The Utility Belt looks a little small unfortunately.  I think this is a problem with many Batman costumes.  You either have to go super high tech with the gadgets or have a realistically sized Utility Belt.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2018, 08:08:00 AM
The new trailer actually makes the movie look pretty interesting and fun.
Looks like DC may have another Wonder Woman situation here... not imagine if they took the time to establish all these character before letting Zach Snyder ruin them?

I actually still believe going straight to a Justice League movie first wouldn't have been a problem IF they decided to make the Justice League right and get the characters done right.  I think it would have been perfectly fine to establish a movie where a world threat brings all the heroes in the DC world together...and they already kinda knew each other existed but this brought them together.  Then with an established world creating stories and series that brought the world to that place in time could be interesting. 

So there could be mystery with the characters.  Why is Batman seemingly willing to kill now and is a broken hero in said fictional Justice League.  Then you get a movie that explores the loss of Batman's first Robin rejecting his methods for being too harsh all the while training a new Robin more gently.  Only to have this new approach end tragically with said Robin being killed.  tragically dark story would work perfect for Batman.  Heck DC could have released a good Justice League movie first and then done these semi-origin stories, not telling the characters origins just how they got to that point in the story for a year or 2.  Then release the sequel to Justice League that plays off all that.  Justice League, Batman, Superman First year.  Then Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash (doing a story that ties into that first Justice League movie that ends on a cliffhanger like flashpoint.  Then Justice League parts 2 and 3 same year as a sorta screw you Marvel.  We did it in 3 years time. 

All the while since the extended DC universe was set up with DCU writers could play with any characters from the DC universe they want.  Want to have Superman trying to council Batman during his loss but Bruce isn't having any of it go ahead.  Want to have Bruce already engaged romantically with Cat Woman, why not?  Let the universe live and breath...you don't have to explain everything as long as what is presented seems logical to the fans.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 09, 2018, 08:49:11 AM
I agree with that in theory, having a living, breathing world that already exists and exploring that world later is a pretty good approach, as long as they commit to exploring that world and its origins.  BvS hinted at a couple things that fueled fan theories, but it never seemed like anything was going to be dived into except for the thing forcibly wedged in there to hype Justice League.

Some of the choices in that universe merit explanation (especially Batman being a killer).  But I worry that if the world is too rich with history, you could end up spending more time going over it than telling a new story.


Catching up on the thread: I really like the Batwoman suit.  Also, the Aquaman movie is looking better and better.  I am 100% in favor of the orange and green suit.  That really makes it for me, and the trailer makes it seem like the outfit has some significance.  I think they were trying to do something similar with Superman's outfit in Man of Steel, but they fumbled it.
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Post by: UncleBob on October 09, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
That BatWoman Costume is actually pretty good.

Needs more batnipples.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2018, 09:29:27 AM
That BatWoman Costume is actually pretty good.  I like it a lot.  The Red in the cape and the length of the cape work.  The Utility Belt looks a little small unfortunately.  I think this is a problem with many Batman costumes.  You either have to go super high tech with the gadgets or have a realistically sized Utility Belt.

One of my first thoughts right after I posted the pic (which is Official now BTW, it was a leaked promo pic) was that there wasn't enough pockets on her utility belt. But we'll just assume they are around the sides and back, hidden by the cape when she endlessly pulls out gadgets, tools, trinkets, and weapons from somewhere on her waistline area.

The new trailer actually makes the movie look pretty interesting and fun.
Looks like DC may have another Wonder Woman situation here... not imagine if they took the time to establish all these character before letting Zach Snyder ruin them?

I actually still believe going straight to a Justice League movie first wouldn't have been a problem IF they decided to make the Justice League right and get the characters done right.  I think it would have been perfectly fine to establish a movie where a world threat brings all the heroes in the DC world together...and they already kinda knew each other existed but this brought them together.  Then with an established world creating stories and series that brought the world to that place in time could be interesting.

I don't have an issue with them going for Justice League early on and then fleshing out characters later, so much as I have an issue with them rushing to Justice League w/o a real narrative outline in place as to why (other than to beat Marvel to the punch even though DC was super later the party Marvel started). It's like you said... "If they did Justice League right"

IMO BvS was just terrible (say what you want about the extended version, but I have not and probably never will watch it) and at some point long before the editing room, someone at DC/WB should have seen the issue with the Snyder vision of these long established characters and immediately course corrected.
I know that didn't work out so well in the middle of JL, but that's because it should have happened in the middle of BvS instead.
The page they should have taken out of the Marvel playbook, is even if you have to reinvent the character for the bigscreen, don't be afraid to embrace root of their comic origins.

But we have WW, and maybe soon Aquaman.
Maybe The Joker turns out pretty good (Leto Joker was just an embarrassment)
I'm not sure what's up with The Batman, Gotham City Sirens, SS2, The Flash, Lantern Corps, or whatever else they have planned... it all just sounds like flinging **** at the wall, or them taking a bunch of individual movies and forcing them to be connected in post when they have no singular vision for how they should be connected.

I'm really hoping that now that they restructured, if they really want to do this #itsallconnected thing again, that they go with a soft-reboot. Install a comic guy at the top who understands the characters, then flesh out an wide broad direction they want to go, then use their full catalog characters to create the movies they need to get there.

I would personally be happy if they did a live action Justice League the animated series/BTAS/STAS in style, and then fleshed out with individual stories for each hero in their own little pocket city/country/sea/planet/dimension, before coming back together to face world ending/inter-galactic threats.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 09, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
Man of Steel came out in 2013....but when did production start on that movie? I'm pretty sure development started in 2009, filming was in 2011, and release was 2013. So that is a long time. BvS was 2016...three years later.  Justice League was 2017, Wonder Woman was 2017. They started off really slow.

James Gunn to take over Suicide Squad. A movie about a team of misfits...
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
Yes my approach needed a strong visionary that could direct the story and world.  Justice League was a mess and it is really sad.  BvS was a mess.  Personally, I think they should have went all out and done a 3 movie trilogy about Darksied and not use such a horrible second tier character in the beginning.

But the real problem about the DC characters is they are tonally wrong.  The DC universe more than Marvel is about archetypes. Each character has a theme and represents something.  The DC movies for example said Superman represents hope, but didn't show him being hopeful or inspiring hope.  This is just bad design. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
Man, James Gunn gets comic book movies.  IF he loved a series from DC, I would give him control of the world.  Heck...if he was available, and willing, I would sit him down with Kevin Smith and a few other writers and have them set out a grand narrative for the entire DC cinematic world.  Bruce Timm, James Gunn, Kevin Smith would be a dream team that "gets" what and who the DC characters are and how to represent them well.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 09, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
new Joker pictures shows his suit color is more in line with Cesar Romero's Joker. When you account for film filters it'll probably look a lot different on camera.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2018, 03:00:22 AM
But the real problem about the DC characters is they are tonally wrong.  The DC universe more than Marvel is about archetypes. Each character has a theme and represents something.  The DC movies for example said Superman represents hope, but didn't show him being hopeful or inspiring hope.  This is just bad design. 

This is basically what I meant when I said that they need to embrace the characters origins.
They don't respect the characters from a design perspective, and this is why MoS, BvS and JL don't work as a trilogy or even individual movies that connect to each other.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2018, 10:16:47 PM
Guess WHO and from WHERE!!!? #nocontextprovided

(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F10%2Fbane.jpg&w=2200&c=sc&poi=face&q=70)

I'm gonna have to see how they handle this one.... I'm not feelin' it at all.

edit:

and WTF is happening in the Arrowverse!?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DppDS7hU8AAUSG0.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 22, 2018, 11:20:16 PM
Amell looks so stupid in that Flash outfit.  He could have at least shaved.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 23, 2018, 01:23:10 AM
Hahaha! I like it because it is kind of silly. Ah. So that's how they're working the whole Batwoman appearance. By doing an Elseworlds kind of thing. As for the first pic, I'm not sure who that is. Based on the mask sort of reminding me of Bane's in The Dark Knight Rises, I guess I'll go with Bane. Maybe he is the villain for this Elseworlds things with Batwoman. Otherwise, maybe it's a Wonder Woman 2 thing I'm unaware of.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2018, 03:02:41 AM
MHHHFFPPPHMMMMMfyHTUG

That looks way too busy no matter the character. Even the Terminator didn't look at busy. What does all that even do? Some muffling aside Nolan Bane(Assuming) was hardcore, built like a brick house, pure muscle.

DC really needs to forget about Nolan. That was 3 lightning in a bottle and never meant to be expanded into a larger universe with people who could fly. Nor was Nolan ever grim darkest. As much as I would love to have a Nolan Robin film you would need a Nolan or better director who isn't lazy and there aren't many of them especially with Superheroes where it is so tempting just to CGI everything.

At least we are still getting good cartoons.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2018, 07:20:49 AM
The first pic is of BANE, you guys guessed that right.
But, what DC TV Show/Movie is it from?

As for Elseworlds.... I don't know what that is, looks like a reality swap situation?
they should have had them beard swap too though. It can't take Ollie more than week to grow that back.

p.s. the new Flash costume looks pretty bad....
https://i.redd.it/6r4ktv3kktt11.jpg

and an Elseworlds spoiler as well, because why not. I wasn't gonna watch anyway.
https://i.redd.it/69acmh8o4tt11.jpg

actual spoiler
https://i.redd.it/ymny7d0x2vt11.jpg
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on October 23, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
The first pic is of BANE, you guys guessed that right.
But, what DC TV Show/Movie is it from?

As for Elseworlds.... I don't know what that is, looks like a reality swap situation?
they should have had them beard swap too though. It can't take Ollie more than week to grow that back.

p.s. the new Flash costume looks pretty bad....
https://i.redd.it/6r4ktv3kktt11.jpg

and an Elseworlds spoiler as well, because why not. I wasn't gonna watch anyway.
https://i.redd.it/69acmh8o4tt11.jpg

actual spoiler
https://i.redd.it/ymny7d0x2vt11.jpg

Wait...is that the Flash costume from the 90s series, the one that Barry's father; Mark Hammil; etc. were originally in?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 23, 2018, 12:19:10 PM
The pic of Bane is from the final Gotham series. 

And yeah, the Flash suit is a bit weird but it looks like Mr Shipp is back in his previous Flash outfit too.  While I bailed from that whole universe two seasons ago I will actually be watching this crossover.  Since they're usually self contained stories I will hopefully not miss much from not seeing the other episodes. I'm curious to see how Batwoman goes and what happens with this crossover.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 23, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Oohhboy's Robin comment just reminded me that there is some Titans show that's supposed to be coming soon to DC's streaming service so I'm going to go with that. EDIT: Shorty posted his message just before this one. Reading it, I forgot about the Gotham series since I haven't watched it all. So, that makes the most sense for a Bane appearance. I concede to Shorty in the guesswork of where this Bane belongs.

That Flash costume does look a lot like the one worn in the 90's Flash. Just more of the meta referencing to that earlier show, I suppose.

That said, I am not a fan of the new Flash suit this year. Maybe it is the shade of red or the plastic look to it but something about it just distracts me when I see it.

The spoilers BnM posted have got me more interested in this crossover event. At this point, the only thing I was really excited about was that it was going to include Superman and Lois Lane for the event but now it looks like they will be getting into the mythology of the multiverse a bit. At this point, can't trust that the writers won't bungle it a bit but I like that it feels a bit more lowkey compared to their past crossover events.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 23, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
I just saw that this Bane is confirmed for Gotham on The A.V. Club. One of the comments posted this video I've always loved of Bane Rapping. Chances are BnM has seen it already since it is made by the same people who did the Star Wars Jedi Party / Laser Moon edits. Which reminds me. They finally released Episode 6. I need to see how that story ends.

Anyways, if you haven't seen it before, I think it is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFAXvFYhsE


It's because I'm BaaaAAAaannneee.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
Remember in the comics when Bane was a scrawny cyborg emo kid with a pant suit and shoulder pads?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Oohhboy's Robin comment just reminded me that there is some Titans show that's supposed to be coming soon to DC's streaming service so I'm going to go with that.

**** BATMAN!?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2018, 07:49:14 PM
Hey, I know it's popular to hate on DC, but WB just put out their Batman: The Animated Series BluRay set today. I haven't had a chance to do more than spot check some sections, but from what I've seen the picture quality is phenomenal. This was a legit HD restoration, and it's very clear that some serious money went into this. The sound's great, too, but I don't really have the setup to test that.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 31, 2018, 03:08:41 AM
The first episode of the new season of Supergirl was not good. Jesus that was a bit heavy handed and threw Supergirl's cheerfulness under the bus. Not a fan of Mercy being a shallow Ultra Nationalist compared to the more nuanced version in DCAU.

The second episode is much better with a return to the fun elements as they run around L Corp. I wouldn't say it balanced out the heavy handed junk but that fun stuff was why I watch Supergirl for. Considering how well Danver's among many characters development was so well handled the new writing has been disappointing. What's the deal with her suddenly going butch. I will stick around for the fun stuff but the filters are now on. Fucking woke assholes.

It's crazy that DCAU deals with social problems so much better never flogging the audience especially considering it's run by what most would consider turbo nerds. They took no prisoners and wrote stories, never a message.

On a related not I have been re-watching BTAS and this flew over my head as a kid. Fan-fucking-tastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58wihIiyR4

I will definitely have to look up the Remasters.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 31, 2018, 05:16:00 AM
I want that Batman TAS collection - the bad part is that the Funko Pop figures that come with it basically cheapen the entire thing. First, those are the lowest form of memorabilia, and second they are totally generic and have nothing to do with the show.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 31, 2018, 05:16:09 AM
But I still want it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2018, 05:43:32 AM
I want that Batman TAS collection - the bad part is that the Funko Pop figures that come with it basically cheapen the entire thing. First, those are the lowest form of memorabilia, and second they are totally generic and have nothing to do with the show.

I don't like the Funko Mini-pops in this set, either, and the cheap cardboard box the real chipboard box is in pretty much just exists to show off those PoS. Mine came completely mangled, bit thankfully the inner box was perfectly fine.

One thing I want to draw attention to is the lenticular art cards that come with the set, something WB isn't advertising at all. I usually hate lenticular stuff because it's always used to emulate movement between two moments depending on the angle you look at it. The end result is that usually the cards always look halfway between scenes.

These cards, however, are scenes from the show, but the lenticular effect is used to emulate 3D depth of field on one scene, rather than transitioning between scenes. There are six thick cards in this set, and they're kind of amazing.

I don't understand why WB was so secretive about the quality of the restoration in this set. They showed NOTHING except the restored intro to indicate that this was a real restoration & not a DVD upscale.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Here are 2 side-by-side videos that show the incredible difference between the original Batman: TAS DVD transfers & the new BluRay transfers.



The animated side of DC continues to be the only side that consistently does right by its fans.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 31, 2018, 08:38:45 PM
WTH, the originals didn't look remotely that bad. Did they use VHS as the comparison?

Not to say it doesn't look better which it does. The original hand drawn animation is so good the clean up makes it better losing none of the charm.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
WTH, the originals didn't look remotely that bad. Did they use VHS as the comparison?

Not to say it doesn't look better which it does. The original hand drawn animation is so good the clean up makes it better losing none of the charm.

I would imagine a fair amount of the discrepancy was a result of blowing up the DVD footage to 1080p resolution to match the BluRay footage. There's also clearly major color correction applied to the BluRay transfer.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 31, 2018, 09:40:55 PM
I pulled up the same scenes from the files I have which look nowhere near as bad. You would call the look old school not VHS quality. DVD even when blown up you're not going to get that kind of result, the artefacts are wrong.

There is some sort of shenanigans happening.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on November 01, 2018, 05:03:12 AM
I pulled up the same scenes from the files I have which look nowhere near as bad. You would call the look old school not VHS quality. DVD even when blown up you're not going to get that kind of result, the artefacts are wrong.

There is some sort of shenanigans happening.

Well, another possibility is that the original footage was taken from the original, unrestored film negatives & the remastered footage was showing it cleaned up. Given the color correction you see as well, that would make sense. The side-by-side comparisons don't say what the unrestored footage is from. The implication has just always been that it's from the DVDs. I don't want to cast dispersions on WB just yet.

It's been a while since I watched my DVDs (and they're currently in storage), but I remember them looking blurry and having a fair amount of dirt & hairs that made the blacks in the show sometimes come out grey.  I don't know why WB has been very vague and misleading with their public messaging of this release. What they put out is damn near pristine. It is the restoration we wanted when they announced this. They don't need to be this way.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 02, 2018, 12:11:55 AM
Ewan McGregor playing Black Mask, the villain in Birds of Prey

https://au.ign.com/articles/2018/11/01/birds-of-prey-movie-casts-ewan-mcgregor-to-play-batman-villain-black-mask

Nice to see a lesser known villain be featured. I'm sick to death of the usual Batman villains front and center.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on November 02, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
It's DCMU so DOA.

Good idea, wrong universe.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on November 02, 2018, 08:35:57 AM
Black Mask is lesser known?

He was in two different animated series, a couple of the animated movies, on Gotham, and in many video games, including a featured role in the Arkham games.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on November 02, 2018, 10:37:53 AM
*Relatively*. I actually don't remember him from the animated material or anywhere. I had to look him up. He was that unremarkable for me.

Temple Fugate is *lesser* but far more awesome villain. A shame they can't use him as I doubt the writers could do him justice as they will slap on "Super powers".
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 02, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
Black Mask is lesser known?

He was in two different animated series, a couple of the animated movies, on Gotham, and in many video games, including a featured role in the Arkham games.

Still nowhere near the level of the usual top known villains smeared across all kinds of media. If I never see the Joker again it'll be a day too soon.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on November 03, 2018, 08:13:22 PM
I like The Clock King.

What other media have time stopping mechanics? There's the twilight zone episode, and Clockstoppers, but what else?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 03, 2018, 10:37:47 PM
Zach Morris on Saved By the Bell.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on November 04, 2018, 07:13:26 PM
So, your saying Mark Paul-Gosselaar should play the Clock King? I like it.

Considering what a scheming bastard Zach Morris was he might be great.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 07, 2018, 01:25:54 PM
DC working on Plastic Man movie
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/plastic-man-movie-works-at-warner-bros-1167236?utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 07, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
DC working on Plastic Man movie
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/plastic-man-movie-works-at-warner-bros-1167236?utm_source=twitter

Done right this could be GREAT.  You need to hire someone with the right style.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on January 31, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
The Batman is set for 2021 now...

Batman Vs Superman came out in 2016. When we originally were getting excited for the movie was like 5 or 6 years ago. These DC movies come out really slow.

Ben Affleck will not be Batman. Sad, because when it was announced that Ben Affleck would be Batman I was pretty jazzed because The Town was pretty good and he'd be directing his own movie.

Man of Steel came out in 2013 and it was started in 2009.

Since 2008 there have been 21 MCU films and 6 DCEU films. 7 if Green Lantern had counted. 9 if Justice League and BVS had been intelligently been broken into multiple movies. At least Wonder Women 2, Joker, Shazam, and Suicide Squad 2 sound good.

Birds of Prey looks like a photoshoot.

Also why was Steppenwolf done in CG? It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2019, 01:55:04 PM
DOOM Patrol anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtGnnLfTqA&feature=youtu.be

https://youtu.be/6tTM9nbRk5A
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2019, 11:19:54 PM
When was Cyborg in Doom Patrol?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 16, 2019, 09:16:22 AM
I am sure Nickmitch, that if you go far enough back every team up imaginable has happened in comic books.  That said, I don't think he was ever a regular in the lineup.  I think they are introducing him, because he is a fan favorite and can easily play more normal straight guy/leader in a few seasons.  As for the rest of the team, I think it is pretty impressive what they are doing with a television budget.  I like concept, but I have a feeling it is going to be dark like Titans and probably graphic like Titans, and I don't care for the violence.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 16, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
So Matt Bomer and Brendan Fraiser can basically do voice over work for most of the series.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
Well, DC has a bit less stuff now with the news that Arrow will be ending with a 10 episode 8th season (https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/arrow-season-8-final-season-cw-1203156254/) in the fall.

Going to be sad to see it go but I am curious about what that 10 episode season will be like. With less episodes to stretch things out and knowing that it is the last season, I'm hoping it feels like the later season one / season 2 era when things just seemed crammed with action and quickly moving developments.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on March 06, 2019, 06:21:14 PM
It's time.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on March 06, 2019, 06:27:43 PM
It's past time.

And I still watch The Simpsons.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 06, 2019, 08:26:15 PM
This is good news.  Arrow I think is still a great show, but I always thought these shows should exist and then transition into different shows.  So I could have seen Arrow launching the Flash and then 2 seasons later having both the Flash and Arrow turn into the Brave and the Bold being a team up show with both of them.  That introducing new characters which eventually turned into the JSA.  (Because Justice League should remain just for the movies.)

For that matter I think a shorter run knowing that a series would only be on for 3-4 seasons max could help focus the stories.  The Flash should have never had 3 Speedster Big bads.  It would have been much better to do an entire season with the Rogues developed from seasons 1-2 teaming up against the Flash led by Captain Cold as a true mastermind.  Flash is very powerful, and few of the rogues would ever be able to take him down...but he can only be one place at once.  Exploit that weakness and make bank. 

I am hoping the CW does Crisis on Infinite Earths and blow us away with brand new shows like the comic book world used to do.  Releasing right after the end of the series.  Maybe even simplifying the line up.  Right now having Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow. 

Why not have only 2 or 3 shows that are more intertwined.  Heck even allowing more interplay and crossovers freely instead of events.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2019, 09:31:35 PM
Oh, that's right! The Arrowverse did tease that they were doing a Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover next / this coming winter. And in the last crossover of Elseworlds, Oliver clearly made some kind of negotiation to save Barry and Kara with the Monitor. I wonder if that will tie into the end of Arrow. Perhaps Oliver will die at the end taking the place of Barry and Kara who died in the comic original Crisis.

As for your point about these shows ending and transitioning / setting up other series, that might be happening here. CW is apparently moving ahead with a Batwoman series after the debut of the character in the Elseworlds crossover. Rumour currently is that this new Batwoman show may be taking the place of Arrow.

As for Arrow being past time, I disagree. Yes, season 6 ended up being a bit of a disaster although I feel it was able to salvage itself a bit near the end of the season. And I've been enjoying this current season so far. It's definitely rebounded from that season 6 although I think all the Arrowverse shows are having a bit of a rebound season this year aside from LoT which was easily the best of the bunch last year. Unfortunately, the writers did hurt things with some of the decisions made and how they used the cast which has required some twisted logic and dubious character motivations along the way to create certain situations or fixes. Yet, there's always been some well done moments to appreciate over the poorly done and it's managed to keep me still watching up to this point. I'd say Legends of Tomorrow is the best cast right now but of the remaining Arrow shows, I still find the Arrow cast to be the second best overall and ahead of Supergirl and The Flash's cast. During the summer, I was thinking in my head what I would do to fix Arrow if I was the showrunner. I might share a bit of the idea yet one of these days but I saw a path to make the show last up to a tenth season with possibly an eleventh season for a longer send-off. I even thought about it as a shortened season so it is weird to see season 8 announced as a shortened season. Still, I guess what this long paragraph is about is that I'd actually rather see Arrow stick around. Heck, if I was cutting one show, I think I'd pick The Flash right now over Arrow but I might be the only one to feel that way.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 06, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
I think after season 3 The Flash is dead to me.  Season 2 was boring as heck and I don't even want to think about season 4 and on, because I gave up on the series.  Legends to me was a fun first season but the logic and writing made Doctor Who seem like legit Sci-fi, which it isn't. 

Arrow easily was the most grounded of the series which means it works the best.  I didn't season season 2 of Supergirl, but I hope the rumor is true that they are just making a true Superman show with both Supergirl and Superman being regulars.  They can even focus on Superman retiring somewhat with his family, but training and mentoring Supergirl and still being available to fight. 

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2019, 12:14:16 PM
Rumored new characters for James Gunns SS2
http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-new-characters/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter#images

King Shark
and Polkadot Man?
And more....

Not to mention Idris Elba rumored to be taking over for Will Smith as Deadshot.

edit: fixed the link
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 07, 2019, 07:57:34 PM
Suicide Squad is great because you can easily change up the team for different dynamics.  I think the first team was rather weak, with almost no character developed or interesting diversity. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on March 08, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
I'd rather Idris Elba not play Deadshot and instead be someone else.  I'd like to see the door left open for Will Smith to come back.  I'm also kinda tired of people leaving the DCEU while it just limps on.
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Post by: Stratos on March 08, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
What if Arrow ending is because they want to do a Green Arrow film? Would be cool to try and blend the more successful shows with their cinema efforts. Though more likely they will just recast Oliver Queen for films and put out a mediocre film.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 08, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
Isn't 'Idris Elba play xyz' just a meme at this point? I can't for the life of me remember watching a single movie with him in it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2019, 08:27:57 PM
I wouldn't call it a meme, he's a really good actor and People's sexiest man alive so he gets linked with a lot of things.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 09, 2019, 05:51:53 PM
Isn't 'Idris Elba play xyz' just a meme at this point? I can't for the life of me remember watching a single movie with him in it.

You don't remember watching any of the Thor movies?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
Also, although given oohhboy's attitude toward recent Trek I'm not sure, but I believe he's said he's seen Star Trek Beyond, which Idris Elba played the main villain in (though it seemed like kind of a waste given all the makeup/CG they hid him behind).
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 09, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
Apparently, Idris Elba is forgettable ;)

I liked him a lot in Luther.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
He was incredible on The Wire. Maybe the best character on a show full of great characters.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 09, 2019, 09:28:01 PM
Oh in that case I have seen Idris Elba in something. It was a thing.
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 09, 2019, 11:23:48 PM
Idris Elba is the weakest part of Star Trek Beyond.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 10, 2019, 08:57:17 AM
I liked it when they played Sabatoge
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 10, 2019, 08:58:55 AM
That's the only Star Trek movie I've ever seen...and will ever see.
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Post by: Stratos on March 12, 2019, 08:25:08 AM
That's the only Star Trek movie I've ever seen...and will ever see.

Of the new ones, the old ones, or any? Because Wrath of Kahn is a must-watch for any film fan.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 12, 2019, 01:51:50 PM
Undiscovered Country is not far behind it.
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Post by: broodwars on March 12, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
I'm fond of Star Trek 4, myself. It's right behind 6 & First Contact on my list of fav. Star Trek films. And it's the hands-down favorite for non-Trek fans.

It's also the most goddamn quotable film in the franchise.
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Post by: Stratos on March 12, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
Glad you both mentioned 6. I wanted to, but didn't want to go overboard on recommendations for someone who sounded like the didn't much care for the films. 6 is right up there with 2 for me. I adore 4 as well, but admit it is weaker than the others. And that leads me to recommending 3 because of the continuation of the story (but don't worry, you can skip 5, though I find it to be a fun film in a campy sort of manner).

I never much cared for the Next Generation films, and never got the appeal of First Contact like others did, though mostly that was because it felt a bit like a retread of 4 with a better villain plot. Nemesis was the best TNG film.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/61jYin1.jpg)
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Post by: oohhboy on March 13, 2019, 12:20:52 AM
The only thing in common with 4 and FC is time travel. Time travel has it's own tropes you can't get away from. 4 doesn't even have a villain, it's mostly just the crew running around like double dumbasses. Very enjoyable fun dumbassery.

FC has so many levels to it as it finally deals with the massive trauma Picard suffered in TNG as it will always hit the reset button, it really humanised him. NO ONE can go through the Borg or 4 lights without coming out different. It deepens his relationship with Data. An alternate take on the Borg with the Queen and bringing in Data. We have the excellent 'To hell with our orders' and battle. Don't meet your hero Zefram Cochrane and Troi gets smashed. Going to warp in a equivalent of a go kart which felt like the first time I have ever gone to warp.

Nemesis gets bashed too much but it isn't particularly good either with a weak script. That last space battle felt like a drag but the other action was alright. The premise comes out of nowhere, you got weird or pointless stuff. But Tom Hardy did good with what he had, Picard-Data is usual excellence. Frakes did FC and N so he has enough skills. Less spoken about Insurrection the better, 5 at least gave us 'What goes god need with a Starship?'.

They basically had a dream team with 2 and 6 but never realised it, failing to capitalise on it. Office politics, never once.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 13, 2019, 12:29:14 AM
Insurrection is fine, it's just basically a TNG two-parter with a bigger budget. It's not actively bad, the stakes just never feel high enough to justify being a movie and couldn't live up to its predecessor. Insurrection is the Search for Spock of the TNG era, where it's not bad but not really good either, it's just kind of there.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 13, 2019, 01:07:14 AM
They had the completely wrong script for a movie, even as an actual two parter it would have been every weak. Logan, Deadpool, Wick(recent examples) etc show you can have stakes that don't involve a large population/planet getting destroyed while being pretty epic. The big big problem with pulling a ST episode to blow it up is that those stories are inherently for TV, it doesn't scale. In the end its another tired "Crazy/evil admiral story" merged with Warth of Khan which N repeats. Ugghh.

Had to shoe horn in a space battle with the most powerful ship in Starfleet yet it had to get dunked on by arbitrary powerful ships. So to mitigate that they had to have a boarding action.

N has the same problem but at least established something beforehand and giving them a wing mate with long term significance. 6 battle is awesome because the villain was clever, **** talking brilliantly and the Enterprise need to be just as clever as even the Excelsior(With a cool red line run) couldn't help other than tank. Blowing up the dinner set is inspired.

SfS works because it is a direct continuation which allows the emotion to carry over as well. The Enterprise getting owned made sense and tied into earlier the themes of kobayashi maru.
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Post by: broodwars on March 13, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
I knew that Nemesis would be fucking garbage the moment they had Picard roaring across a pre-warp desert planet in a Dune Buggy looking for Data clone parts...because Picard just wanted to play with a car.

Mind you, Picard was one of THE most stringent characters in the franchise when it came to not violating the Prime Directive. But hey, I suppose wanting to go off-road racing was an acceptable reason for contaminating an alien culture.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: UncleBob on March 13, 2019, 06:54:32 AM
Quote
The premise comes out of nowhere, you got weird or pointless stuff.

This is 100% a failing of the script, but it didn't come from no where.

What they failed to tell you in the story is all the background stuff in the Romulan Empire that got us to where Nemesis happens.  There's a couple of novels that tie into it that really help sell the movie's premise (for example, B4 was actually made by the Romulans as well as part of their plan to replace the entire crew of Starfleet's flag ship.  Neat, eh?).  I'm not sure how much was made up before the movie and how much was done after the movie to try and justify the movie itself - but the foundation is there - they just failed at communicating it within the movie.

Outside of all of that - Picard is really still in the Nexus from Generations - it never really let him go, just giving him the life he wanted - a "real" life.  This is why he was riding the dune buggy at the start of Nemesis.
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Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
Interesting thoughts on those films. Guess I really do need to go back and give them all a second chance. Hell, I need to give the TV series another go ahead as well. I may have judged FC too harshly based off the time travel tropes alone.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Anybody check out Doom Patrol?

this is a weird, yet very entertaining, and sometime so wild it's funny show.
I know nothing of the comicbook, as I was never a DC reader. Actually I've never even heard of Doom Patrol before this show was announced, but there are quite a few moments where you are just "WTF am I watching...!?" followed up with a "OMG. LMAO"

Some of the plot devices in this show are just beyond absurd (to the point of sometimes being hilarious), but what do you expect from some D-tier comicbook related show. I'm just glad one of the characters on the show shares in this disbelief with his constant outburst of "WTF"

There's only 6 episodes out so far, but it has been strangely entertaining.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 24, 2019, 08:08:38 PM
I think Shazam will be a bad movie, but it will be fun.

Lol, this was 100% accurate.

And I thought Shazam looked a lot better than expected.

His origin is boooooring, though.  Some kid falls in a cave and is given powers by an old wizard.  The powers even come with the costume and enough brains to know to use them.

So much for the "Wisdom of Solomon", lol.

Was looking for this post because I thought I was worried about that exact issue.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-trailer-debuts-1203179048/

(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/joker-poster.jpg)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2019, 06:06:41 PM
I think the Endgame presale is going to take a bunch of wind out of Shazam's weekend's sales, and Pet Sematary getting good reviews is also going to hurt it.
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Post by: Stratos on April 02, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
Doesn't matter how good Shazam turns out, it was never going to do amazingly well between the non-Marvel super hero fatigue setting in, DC's shoddy film reputation, and Endgame releasing. May still put out fair numbers, but I don't expect it comparing even with WW/AM.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 03, 2019, 09:06:26 AM
Joker trailer is out, looks good!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 03, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
That Joker trailer looks completely uninteresting to me. I personally don't understand why this movie needs to exist. From a personal standpoint I think the Joker is completely over rated as a villain and certainly not worthy of his own movie. I'm just sick of him turning up as the main antagonist in most Batman stories but that's just me.

The main more objective reason I don't think this movie needs to exist is because the whole point of the Joker is the intrigue surrounding his existence and past. Yet it seems they're going to throw all that away.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 03, 2019, 02:14:08 PM
I'm more interested in this movie as a piece of cinema than it's relation to the rest of the DC continuity.




It appears to be a remake of King of Comedy if you made the character The Joker instead and set it in Gotham.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 03, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
Yeah, it's crazy. I'm a picky Batman super fan, but this trailer makes me interested in this just as a movie, not as a DC movie.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 03, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
Put me in the "Interested" camp.

I don't mind straying from the source material, as long as it is good.  Gotham, IMHO, is an example of that.

This looks like it has potential.

I don't know where Suicide Squad Joker came from, but that doesn't make the character interesting to me.

This... this just seems crazy enough to work.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2019, 11:50:15 PM
Haven't seen the trailer yet... but I guess I'll go check it out. But the snippets of footage I've seen previously didn't really make me anticipate the movie.

edit: Just found the trailer..... eh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t433PEQGErc

I know it's just a teaser, but I remain "un-teased"
I'm glad to see DC do something very different from everything else, but I have no plans to rush out to see this in the theater...

now we wait for initial reviews.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 04, 2019, 04:20:29 PM
Speaking of teaser's, they need to change the name. Didn't teasers used to short little snippets that showed very little? A teaser seems more like a full trailer nowadays. And the full trailer often spoils the plot of the movie!
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Post by: oohhboy on April 04, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
Meh. Filed under yet another origin story. They Joker is great and all but do we really need him to show up again?
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Post by: ThePerm on April 04, 2019, 08:15:49 PM
Meh. Filed under yet another origin story. They Joker is great and all but do we really need him to show up again?

Yes.

There was a time before movies, and before records when there was nothing but plays and musical performances. The Joker is a classic character. Like Dracula or Frankenstein or Hamlet.

I remember there was interview with Mark Ruffalo in relation to how many people at that point had played Hulk and he was talking about how Hulk was the modern day Hamlet.

"I'm a friend of Ed's," he said, "And yeah, that wasn't a great way for all that to go down. But the way I see it is that Ed has bequeathed this part to me. I look at it as my generation's Hamlet."

There is art in watching different people play the same part and seeing the nuance of interpretation.

In this world there is a lot of complaint about how there's "nothing new under the sun"
https://archive.org/details/LenSpencerSHDudley

reinterpretations are a vital part of art neogenesis.

I want to keep seeing different versions and variations of characters as long as time goes on. There is really only a few character archetypes anyway. Arguing for character x over character y doesn't change much. Robin and Batman are the same character for instance.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 05, 2019, 03:28:04 AM
I don't know why you are trying to pre-emptively excuse this movie and the core reasons for meh. DC has the richest villain/hero stable outside of Marvel and they insist again on going back to the same well so quickly. Being a "Hamlet" is an excuse for laziness, doubly so with another origin story. It's stale right out of the gate.

You have essentially gave up on originality with your line of reasoning with "There is really only a few character archetypes anyway". You're accepting mediocrity.

I would feel the same if it was Superman or Batman. Any C lister is far more interesting right now. It would have very different restrictions and opportunities for originality. If one was to insist on this plot line would be perfect for someone like the DCAU Clock King, Temple Fugate. First 2 minutes sets him up much like Dredd did. The rest of the running time is him absolutely wreaking everyone including 2-3 C-listers who have to come together to stop him preferably not by punching the problem. Bam, you have a list of characters to make cheaper movies from with far less baggage and more forgiving comic feel. If one is a breakout hit then you have just rolled another A/B list proposition.

I highly recommend Falling Down (1993) instead watching this tired Joker movie.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 05, 2019, 09:40:18 AM
Speaking of teaser's, they need to change the name. Didn't teasers used to short little snippets that showed very little? A teaser seems more like a full trailer nowadays. And the full trailer often spoils the plot of the movie!

I agree.  I think the definition of "teaser" shifted to "trailer with minimal plot clues" and then a "full trailer" previews (or spoils) the plot.  But I thought we got a 30 second teaser showing Joaquin in full make up a while back? That, to me, was a teaser. Or would've been.

Anyway, I'm also in the interested camp.  I don't see the Joker as tired, but I never watched Gotham, so my last exposure to him in live action was Suicide Squad.  I liked the fan theories at the time saying he was actually Jason Todd, which I thought this movie could ultimately support.  Also, Joker's origin, again outside of Gotham, hasn't really been touched since Jack Nicholson?  And that was as throwaway as it gets.

Also, the villain origin stories aren't as worn a road as hero origin stories.  Sure, many superhero films now focus on giving the villain a full arc, but it isn't always the central aspect of the movie.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 05, 2019, 12:48:26 PM
I don't know why you are trying to pre-emptively excuse this movie and the core reasons for meh. DC has the richest villain/hero stable outside of Marvel and they insist again on going back to the same well so quickly. Being a "Hamlet" is an excuse for laziness, doubly so with another origin story. It's stale right out of the gate.

You have essentially gave up on originality with your line of reasoning with "There is really only a few character archetypes anyway". You're accepting mediocrity.

I would feel the same if it was Superman or Batman. Any C lister is far more interesting right now. It would have very different restrictions and opportunities for originality. If one was to insist on this plot line would be perfect for someone like the DCAU Clock King, Temple Fugate. First 2 minutes sets him up much like Dredd did. The rest of the running time is him absolutely wreaking everyone including 2-3 C-listers who have to come together to stop him preferably not by punching the problem. Bam, you have a list of characters to make cheaper movies from with far less baggage and more forgiving comic feel. If one is a breakout hit then you have just rolled another A/B list proposition.

I highly recommend Falling Down (1993) instead watching this tired Joker movie.

I can see your point about taking on C-listers.


MCU was built on the C-list. I may not have seen as much Joker because I didn't watch much Gotham because it is a terrible show. At least it was the first season. As far as Film Cinema goes I don't count TV because it is a different beast. I might count a Premium Network TV version if one existed, but regular network TV has a way to ruin everything. I don't count cartoons either. Cartoons are another other beast. You're not constrained by reality and you have a better chance to flesh stories out more and be closer to the source material or improve the source material or go whacky.

I only count film incarnation of which the tally is:

Joker: 2 + 1(essentially a cameo) + 1(the upcoming)
Penguin: 1
Catwoman: 3
Riddler: 1
Two-Face/Harvey Dent: 3
Poison Ivy: 1
Bane: 2
Mr. Freeze: 1
Carmine Falcone: 1
Salvatore Maroni: 2
Scarecrow: 3
Ra's Al Ghul: 2 (I think he's in a flashback on TDKR)
Henri Ducard: 1ish
Talia Al Ghul: 1
Killer Croc: 1
Deadshot: 1
Harlequin: 2(including the upcoming)
Deathstroke: 1
Victor Zsasz: 1(upcoming)
Roland Daggett - 1
Joe Chill: 2

Clayface: 0
The Ventriloquist: 0
Baby Doll: 0
Rupert Thorne: 0
Blackmask: 0
Hush: 0
Man-bat: 0
Mad Hatter: 0
Dr. Hugo Strange: 0
Tony Zucco; 0
Firefly: 0.1
King Tut: 0

I'm sure I missed a good one. It's also hard to say who is specifically a DC villain and who is a Batman villain.
I'm not too terribly familiar with Hush, Blackmask, or Firefly. I'd like to see Mr. Freeze and Riddler done right. I don't know if Ventriloquist, Baby Doll, or Clayface could carry a movie. Those could work in an Anthology movie like Creepshow.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
A quick look-see, you left Zsasz out of your count from the Nolan movies.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 05, 2019, 04:03:13 PM
You missed Solomon Grundy, but he may fall into "DC" than "Batman".

Mr. Freeze would be pretty good as a star.  Make him a scientist who desperately turns his research into a weapon, possibly to get funding, gets mocked for it, gets it to work, starts using it for crimes as his funds run low, desperately experiments on himself, all the while he knows Batman is on his trail.

Hush would be tough to have a movie, since his part of his whole thing is his identity being a mystery.

Red Hood Could work.  His ID only needs to be a mystery to Batman, so once it's out it's fine.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 05, 2019, 05:12:44 PM
I'm not too terribly familiar with Hush, Blackmask, or Firefly.

Hush is pretty new, he is skilled surgeon Tommy Elliot, a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne. He secretly hated Bruce because his parents died and Tommy wanted his parents dead. He's done various schemes to mess with Bruce and Batman. He made it seem like Jason Todd came back to life, he framed Alfred for murder, he removed Catwoman's heart and kept her alive on a machine. He had plastic surgery to make himself look like Bruce Wayne and try to take over his life. He's not my favorite.

Black Mask is a crime boss who also hated his parents, he inherited Janus cosmetics company (I think this ties in to Clay Face?) when they died under suspicious circumstances. He carved a black mask out his father's coffin and required his gang to wear masks chosen from his collection. He got more sadistic and Catwoman shot him in the head. After that, Jeremiah Arkham went nuts and secretly became the new Black Mask.

Firefly is a sociopathic former Hollywood pyro stunt man who was blacklisted after a bad accident on set. He became a gun for hire that carries a flame thrower and glides on wings carried by the updraft of the flames like Link's Paraglider in BOTW.

Hush and Black Mask are kinda convoluted, but Firefly is a straight forward classic.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 05, 2019, 07:06:47 PM
I also left out Max Cort(Night Scourge)

I read Prey 10 or so years ago trying to learn more about Hugo Strange.

I'd see a Hugo Strange movie.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2019, 07:15:10 PM
I was really hoping Hugo Strange would be the main antagonist of the third Nolan movie.  I think that kind of character would do well in the Nolanverse.

I know you mentioned giving up on Gotham, but if you ever do give it a second chance (it gets way better, if you don't mind the liberties it takes with the Batman lore), Strange is amazing in the show.  He's like if George Takei were an insane mad scientist.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2019, 07:17:02 PM
Wait.  All of your villian counts are omitting the best Batman movie of all.  Adam West is ashamed!
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Post by: ThePerm on April 05, 2019, 10:46:19 PM
I did that on purpose. It was only on a technicality. If Batman 66' and Batman: The Movie weren't in the same continuity I'd have counted them.

I also didn't count the serials. I have the serials but have never been able to finish watching them.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 06, 2019, 12:13:23 AM
The Batman set of serials wasn't terrible, if you can set aside the overt racism and other aspects of the time frame in which they were recorded.

The second set, Batman and Robin, were just flat terrible.

I would recommend the first to a hardcore Batman fan as a historical timepiece, but cannot say the same for the second.

Luckily, these two both featured original villains (I don't *think* either one has ever crossed over into comics.  Considering the main villain in the first was such a terrible racist characture, I doubt we'd ever see it now), so I don't think they'd mess your counts up.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 06, 2019, 12:46:40 AM
The Narrator is racist too. It's hard to watch bunches of stuff during that era.

Like I was watching this silent western about a train robbery and that **** really takes you out of the movie.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
James Gunn tossing fresh fish to old friends

(https://i.imgur.com/XkaIK3R.png)
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
how does that even work? Does he transform?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 11, 2019, 01:38:27 PM
It’ll be interesting to see how they work it into their “realistic” movie-verse. Maybe they’ll roboticize him like Rhyno.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 02:37:21 PM
Have you seen Aquaman?
they had giant Lobster people iirc, so this shouldn't be far a stretch.

gotta embrace the comicbookiness of it all.
its the only way you'll make it all work together
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Post by: nickmitch on May 11, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
Have you seen Aquaman?
they had giant Lobster people iirc, so this shouldn't be far a stretch.

gotta embrace the comicbookiness of it all.
its the only way you'll make it all work together

You know what? I have seen Aquaman, and I totally forgot about that. :P
But I agree that more films should embrace it.  Especially now that the technology is caught up to where it doesn't have to campy.
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Post by: Stratos on May 12, 2019, 09:48:56 AM
Flash did some solid takes on King Shark and Gorilla Grod, so it can be pulled off.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on May 16, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/robert-pattinson-batman-matt-reeves-bruce-wayne-dc-comics-1203125473/

Robert Pattinson will play Batman

I'm now older than movie Batman
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Post by: Plugabugz on May 17, 2019, 07:52:30 AM
I'd have chosen Daniel Kaluuya. After Widows (in which he was mostly silent but completely terrifying) i'd have picked him in a heartbeat.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 17, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
I could see that. Since it's out of the way though I could see him as The Riddler. He should play it with a British accent though.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 17, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
I meant, how do you put a shark face on Michael Rooker and not make it look silly? If he's just doing the voicework for a CGI creature that's another thing.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on May 17, 2019, 05:13:52 PM
They could always do what Batman: TAS did with the 1st design of Killer Croc:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/batmantheanimatedseries/images/d/d3/Killer_Croc.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160330000226)

I could easily see a similar design adopted for King Shark in live action.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 17, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
Groot exists. They could just do a Grey version of Yondu.

(https://media.comicbook.com/2016/11/yondu-merle-michaelrooker-212511-1280x0.png)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 18, 2019, 10:45:45 PM
Batwoman Trailer

https://youtu.be/6s1Gld-LHew


I was considering watching this, I liked her in the last crossover.  But it seems that CW have gone straight for the political point making.  I have no issue at all that she's a woman, I have an issue with producers shoving it in my face. I can see she's a girl, and it's in the title.  I don't need to have lines like:

"... perfection"
"It will be, when it fits a woman"

thrown at me.  I don't see any decent reason that line in its current form needs to exist.  If they insist on including such a line they could have change it slightly to something like:

"It will be, when it fits me!"

Far less on the nose.    If Supergirl is anything to go by (which it likely will be since it's run by the same team) then they are going to be pushing hard on the whole woman thing.  I want to sit and enjoy a silly show, not be preached at by some random person in a studio with an agenda.
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Post by: broodwars on May 18, 2019, 10:51:38 PM
Batwoman Trailer

https://youtu.be/6s1Gld-LHew


I was considering watching this, I liked her in the last crossover.  But it seems that CW have gone straight for the political point making.  I have no issue at all that she's a woman, I have an issue with producers shoving it in my face. I can see she's a girl, and it's in the title.  I don't need to have lines like:

"... perfection"
"It will be, when it fits a woman"

thrown at me.  I don't see any decent reason that line in its current form needs to exist.  If they insist on including such a line they could have change it slightly to something like:

"It will be, when it fits me!"

Far less on the nose.    If Supergirl is anything to go by (which it likely will be since it's run by the same team) then they are going to be pushing hard on the whole woman thing.  I want to sit and enjoy a silly show, not be preached at by some random person in a studio with an agenda.

I really hate to defend this creative team, but do you remember the original Supergirl trailer they put out?


This team doesn't make good trailers, and this trailer was HEAVY on the "girl power", too. Yet the 1st season really wasn't as obnoxiously anti-men as the trailer made it out to be. In fact, several lines got edited out of context to MAKE them that way.

I don't want to defend the Supergirl team any further because Season 2 DID go heavily political (and that's why I stopped watching it), but this could also just be a case of a trailer cutting footage out of context to "make a statement."

I'm not going to watch it either way because I'm really behind on the Arrowverse shows and am kind of done with that universe in general for a while, but just sayin'.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 18, 2019, 10:53:31 PM
ugh.

It's so cheesey. All these lines are as about as smooth as Stiffler.

I miss Xena.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 18, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
Batwoman Trailer

https://youtu.be/6s1Gld-LHew


I was considering watching this, I liked her in the last crossover.  But it seems that CW have gone straight for the political point making.  I have no issue at all that she's a woman, I have an issue with producers shoving it in my face. I can see she's a girl, and it's in the title.  I don't need to have lines like:

"... perfection"
"It will be, when it fits a woman"

thrown at me.  I don't see any decent reason that line in its current form needs to exist.  If they insist on including such a line they could have change it slightly to something like:

"It will be, when it fits me!"

Far less on the nose.    If Supergirl is anything to go by (which it likely will be since it's run by the same team) then they are going to be pushing hard on the whole woman thing.  I want to sit and enjoy a silly show, not be preached at by some random person in a studio with an agenda.

I really hate to defend this creative team, but do you remember the original Supergirl trailer they put out?


This team doesn't make good trailers, and this trailer was HEAVY on the "girl power", too. Yet the 1st season really wasn't as obnoxiously anti-men as the trailer made it out to be. In fact, several lines got edited out of context to MAKE them that way.

I don't want to defend the Supergirl team any further because Season 2 DID go heavily political (and that's why I stopped watching it), but this could also just be a case of a trailer cutting footage out of context to "make a statement."

I'm not going to watch it either way because I'm really behind on the Arrowverse shows and am kind of done with that universe in general for a while, but just sayin'.

You could be quite right.  It is just a trailer after all.  Could be cranking up the girl power to get that audience in early.  But I'll be expecting politics pushed hard until shown otherwise.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on May 18, 2019, 11:06:41 PM
The intersectionalitysploitation has got to stop. It's just pandering.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on May 18, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Yeah, I love they are continuing to support the "Arrowverse", but I've fallen so far behind on all the shows that any effort to catch up is exhausting. Do hope they don't kick Batman while he is down. Makes me wonder why he disappeared. Oliver Queen did name drop Bruce Wayne as a potential person playing the role of Green Arrow when he was accused of being it.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 18, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
Yeah, I love they are continuing to support the "Arrowverse", but I've fallen so far behind on all the shows that any effort to catch up is exhausting. Do hope they don't kick Batman while he is down. Makes me wonder why he disappeared.

Well Arrow is done.  Only a half season to go. They're presumably planning on replacing one useless (in a universe with metahumans) DC character with another one. 

I wouldn't be able to tolerate starting up these shows again.  So many terrible decisions and writing. These are the stupidest superheroes ever put to live action media that I can remember.  Aside from Legends these shows take themselves so seriously which makes it even harder to tolerate.  I've been screaming at the TV so many times because of the stupid decisions these characters make. 
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Post by: ThePerm on May 18, 2019, 11:18:43 PM
Well now it seems right that I never started watching them.
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Post by: Stratos on May 19, 2019, 12:12:32 PM
Arrow should have only lasted 5 seasons, to cover the 5 years he was lost "on the island". If they had planned it that way from the start I think the story would have been much tighter and less drama and bloat to drag it down.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on June 17, 2019, 04:16:03 PM
Robert Pattinson has the Jim Lee Batman face.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/784903154315980802/6B15p4oD.jpg)'

It's funny because he was one of the first people to confirm the casting.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcb-DsmU8AACVZV.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 20, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
Burt Ward is going to be in the Crisis crossover......
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
Apparently Brandon Routh as "Kingdom Come Superman"
Kevin Conroy as "Bruce Wayne from the future" (voice of Batman from TAS)
and Black Lightning

all join the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
https://nordic.ign.com/batwoman/27815/news/crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse-crossover-casts-kevin-conroy-as-bruce-wayne

please don't make me play catch up on Arrowverse.... I have fallen way to far behind to even begin to remember where to start.
I just might catch this 5 part series though. Sounds like it could be kinda interesting.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 04, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
I only watch the crossovers.  You might miss a couple of things here and there but it'll make sense (well as much sense as it can for an Arrowverse show) overall.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 04, 2019, 03:12:58 PM
That sounds cool, I may have to actually watch that. I gave up on the CW Universe. All the shows seemed to have a few good seasons then they get awful.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 05, 2019, 11:32:40 PM
Oh god Brandon Routh as Superman finally? It is going to be great.

Is Kevin actually going to be on screen?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 05, 2019, 11:41:46 PM
He is a future Bruce Wayne from some other dimension, so he presumably will be.  I wonder what his acting chops are like?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on August 28, 2019, 12:31:48 AM
Check this page 9ish hours from now  approximately 9am pst

https://www.youtube.com/user/WarnerBrosPictures

Joker Trailer 2 is going to drop
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Post by: ThePerm on August 28, 2019, 09:33:02 AM
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 28, 2019, 10:50:03 AM
To be honest I don't think it looks that interesting.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 28, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
I think the first trailer looked bad.  This second trailer looks better.  I feel like if they go with a crazy big murder stunt that Batman last minute has to stop and that is the only time Batman is in the movie it could be really cool.  Like see this man being beaten down and beaten down.  Him rising above it all, and people believing he is some sort of revolutionary/revolutionist...only to have some crazy, crazy plan to just murder everyone.  THAT is the Joker. 
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Post by: UncleBob on August 29, 2019, 09:22:52 AM
Both trailers have looked good to me.  I am cautiously excited for this movie.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 29, 2019, 02:44:34 PM
This trailer really pushed me over the edge in terms of wanting to see the movie in theatres.  I was intrigued, but on the fence.  Thought the biggest thing for me was getting over the fact that it's decidedly not a typical comic book movie.  I think the first trailer was the reveal of that fact and this final one was the the "we're trying to make a genuinely good movie" trailer.
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Post by: Adrock on August 29, 2019, 06:43:26 PM
Not digging the makeup. Joker needs to have “Damaged” tattooed on his forehead to really bring it all together.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 29, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Adrock that is given by Batman after he stops him the first time.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 29, 2019, 08:24:52 PM
Then, Superman gets mad at Batman for branding criminals.  And they fight.  But then it gets better because their moms have the same name.  Also, Wonder woman was there THE WHOLE TIME.  Surprise!
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Post by: nickmitch on August 29, 2019, 08:48:52 PM
Superman dies after that. :(

But then he gets better through the power of friendship! :)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 29, 2019, 10:44:15 PM
Not digging the makeup. Joker needs to have “Damaged” tattooed on his forehead to really bring it all together.
Adrock that is given by Batman after he stops him the first time.
Then, Superman gets mad at Batman for branding criminals.  And they fight.  But then it gets better because their moms have the same name.  Also, Wonder woman was there THE WHOLE TIME.  Surprise!
Superman dies after that. :(

But then he gets better through the power of friendship! :)

OMG this story sounds magical. I need to know what happens next!!!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on August 29, 2019, 10:55:34 PM
Not digging the makeup. Joker needs to have “Damaged” tattooed on his forehead to really bring it all together.
Adrock that is given by Batman after he stops him the first time.
Then, Superman gets mad at Batman for branding criminals.  And they fight.  But then it gets better because their moms have the same name.  Also, Wonder woman was there THE WHOLE TIME.  Surprise!
Superman dies after that. :(

But then he gets better through the power of friendship! :)

OMG this story sounds magical. I need to know what happens next!!!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5af0d131ae1ed613052239b90b57b16c/tenor.gif?itemid=9951056)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 29, 2019, 11:28:08 PM
I'm drowning in suspense... I wonder what the next chapter brings!!!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 30, 2019, 07:45:47 PM
Birds of Prey anyone?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-teaser-trailer-images-leak-online-feature-black-mask-huntress-and-more-a170327
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Post by: ThePerm on August 30, 2019, 10:36:02 PM
Taika Waititi is going to be in Suicide Squad two. I have my guesses on who he'll play, but if I'm right they're not going to announce it until Halloween.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2019, 11:09:32 PM
Looks like DC may have another AWARD WINNER on it's hands....

Joker wins "best movie" at the Venice Film Festival.

(https://i.imgur.com/zqPp9MT.png)

could DC win another Oscar with a Joker: Origins movie?
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Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2019, 11:36:00 PM
Birds of Prey anyone?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-teaser-trailer-images-leak-online-feature-black-mask-huntress-and-more-a170327
Why not. JLU Bringing in Hunteress and the Question story line is one of the best. The battle royal with Vixen, Black Canary, Wonder Women, Hawkgirl and Hunteress was epic. What a shame about the lack of Amy Acker. She is perfect and has some action chops from PoI. Still crushing it at 42. However I don't care for the DC movies. Oh well.

In the other cartoons Birds of Prey were also very strong episodes.

Still waiting eagerly for the Harley & Poison Ivy show. Again some of the best episodes.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 09, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
I've been told the Batman Hush cartoon movie is not the greatest adaptation. I haven't seen it, but I've seen a trailer of it, and visually it looks good, but the voice acting sounds terrible in the trailer.  I guess I'll just have to get the book.

It's one of those things where I'm not quite too familiar newer rogues gallery villains. I stopped reading comics around 1995 and didn't pick up comics again until the Walking Dead comics started it's run.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 09, 2019, 12:29:26 PM
Hush is hard to adapt, but it sounded like they added stuff that didn't need to be there and/or wasn't good.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 09, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
I think Joker will be a great movie, but what's the point unless they do a Batman movie set in the 80s or early 90s? This version of The Joker would be like 85 years old today if they made a current Batman movie with him.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on September 09, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
A few things.

1 Phoenix isn't locked into a contract.

2 Phoenix enjoyed making the movie.

3. He might work with Todd Phillips again, not necessarily for a Joker movie.

4. Matt Reeves Batman is not connected to the DCEU

5. It is supposedly taking place in the 90s or early 2000s. The math equation works out if Joker takes place in 1983 and Bruce Wayne is 10 at the time then if Batman is 30 then that takes place in 2003.

6. The Lazarus Pit exists in the Batman mythos.  The Joker is known to be baptized in some liquid at some point in his own mythos. So, if I was a Batman movie screenwriter I could put those together. Jared Leto has talked about Joker's agelessness at some point. It's a thing.

7. They don't have to go that route though. Phoenix could pass for 30s to 50s because he's in his 40s.  If Arthur Fleck is 35 he'd only be 55 in 2003. Jack Nicholson was 52 in 1989. And really the only difference between Jack Nicholson in the Shining and Jack Nicholson in Batman was weight. All he has to do is be his regular weight to look like Phoenix has aged. Phoenix already looks way different than he did 1 year ago when he lost 52 pounds. They could also not address it and nobody would care much.  Cesar Romero was 63 in 1966 and was great.

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on September 10, 2019, 03:25:43 PM
8. Todd Phillips says this Joker will definitely not cross over. **** definite is a definite word. Joker could die in this movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
Look at this Suicide Squad Cast!!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEXoL5OXYAITCs3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

(https://i.imgur.com/GUmOtJ5.png)

James Gunn gonna have soooo much fun with this one.

I bet that's why GotG3 is gonna be his last Guardians movie. He's gonna move to the DCU full time. LOL /s [kinda]
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Post by: nickmitch on September 13, 2019, 10:07:05 PM
Pretty interesting cast; it's kind of all over the place. I do look forward to not seeing John Cena in it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 13, 2019, 10:50:17 PM
Pete Davidson?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2019, 02:49:09 AM
over under on 70% of that cast not surviving the movie.....?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2019, 05:16:02 PM
Hmmm...I think if you are going to do Suicide Squad right.  I mean truly do it better than any comic book, you do take out most of the D list villains.  You need that fear that any one of the characters could die, so that you are invested.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2019, 08:05:03 PM
SOMEBODY SAAAAAVEEE MEEEEEE!!!!!!
CW Crisis on Infinite Earths...... Tom Welling return from SMALLVILLE!!!

Some one keep me upto date on how this turns out and exactly what I need to watch to be fully intuned with whats going on.... assuming it's worth the watch when all said and done.

Thanx
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 19, 2019, 08:10:56 PM
BnM. I am the same way. I don’t watch the Arrowverse anymore but Crisis sounds crazy and with a 4 show crossover it is a full movie worth of content.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 19, 2019, 08:35:45 PM
If they're smart, they'll milk it and do a special 2-hour long feature with behind the scenes, backgrounds, etc.
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Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2019, 08:40:03 PM
I really need to catch up on the Arrowverse shows, but pretty much all of them except Legends of Tomorrow got in a creative rut a few years back. It's so hard to care now.

Considering it's Arrow that's ending this season instead of Supergirl, I suspect that Supergirl's fate from the comic version will be passed on to Oliver Queen. Considering how many fake endings Arrow's had, it would probably be the only believable way for the show to end at this point.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
I really don't remember where I left off on each show....

Arrow.... end of S4? it's now on what? S7?
Flash.... beginning of S3? it on S5 now?
Time Travelers..... middle of S2? now also on S5?
Supergirl.... early S3? now on S4?
I feel like I'm missing one.....

Has Batgirl/woman started?

Is there any intent to cross this over with DCU shows, like Titans and Doom Patrol as well?
I've completely checked out on anything CW so I have no idea what's going on with any of it.
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Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2019, 10:11:48 PM
I really don't remember where I left off on each show....

Arrow.... end of S4? it's now on what? S7?
Flash.... beginning of S3? it on S5 now?
Time Travelers..... middle of S2? now also on S5?
Supergirl.... early S3? now on S4?
I feel like I'm missing one.....

Yeah, you're missing Black Lightning, which started not in the Arrowverse but now apparently is in it now that the shows people actually cared about are ending.

Quote
Has Batgirl/woman started?

Not yet, I believe. It's supposed to start this coming season.

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Is there any intent to cross this over with DCU shows, like Titans and Doom Patrol as well?

I wouldn't imagine so, unless they took the Arrowverse shows away from The CW & put them all on WB's streaming service.

As for where I am...

The last Arrow I saw was halfway through Season 6, and they're now on Season 8.
The last Flash I saw was Season 4, and they're now on Season 6.
The last Legends of Tomorrow I saw was Season 3, and they're now on Season 5.
The last Supergirl I saw was halfway through Season 3, and they're now on Season 5. Not sure I care to ever catch up on that trainwreck of a show.
I care even less about Black Lightning than I do Supergirl.

Basically, I ignore the shows when they air and catch up on the BluRays. The recent season had a weird, staggered release with Arrow & Flash releasing last month and Supergirl/Legends releasing this month. I only have last season's Flash & Arrow sets.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2019, 11:01:15 PM
How could I forget about Black Lightning.
S1 was good. S2 wasn't as good. I don't think there was a S3 yet... or was there... decline? I think it declined enough to join the rest of the Arrowverse.

Since I've been 100% streaming and binging, it's hard to remember what came on what channel if I didn't use to tune into a channel to actual watch it at some point. LOL
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 20, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
Erica Durance is also coming back as Lois Lane for the cross over.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Dean Cain gets back into the tights in this event too.
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Post by: ThePerm on September 20, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
I liked Lois and Clark.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 20, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
It's a pretty fun show for the time. A bit dated now obviously. I haven't seen it since it originally aired. I rather liked that version of Lois although she still loses to perfection that is DCAU Lois.

Dean Cain did well as Supes, somewhat better than smallville version which I couldn't stand as it dragged out the premise to a ridiculous degree. A bit of a shame he went off the deep end with his economics.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on September 20, 2019, 08:33:21 PM
It was a perfect 90s Superman. You know who would have made a great Lois Lane? Courtney Cox.  I like to think in an alternate reality this happened. Gale Weathers is basically Lois Lane. Demi Moore and Jennifer Connelly would have been great too for different reasons. If I were to cast it today I'd have Jennifer Lawrence or Miley Cyrus simply for their voices. Actually thinking back to specific eras I can think of whoever would be good. Like Heather Langencamp in the 80s.
Alex Essoe I'd cast in anything.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 26, 2019, 09:57:55 PM
Hey, you guys remember that show on the CW from years ago called Birds of Prey...?

no... not really.... well, kinda, but never really watched it (except for The Perm).

Well guess who's being brought back for the Crisis Crossover!!!
https://tvline.com/2019/09/26/birds-of-prey-ashley-scott-arrowverse-crossover-huntress/

maybe this will jog your memory?
(https://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/ashley-scott.jpg)


edit: what's funny is I started the last page bringing up the reboot of Birds of Prey
now I start this page with the revival of the old show Birds of Prey
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on September 26, 2019, 10:04:03 PM
Amusing. I own that version of Birds of Prey on DVD. It's...not very good, though granted I've only gotten through a few episodes. It does feature a .05 second cameo by Mark Hamill as the Live Action Joker, though...or at least him dubbing over whoever was in the costume.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on September 27, 2019, 12:00:53 AM
When the Birds of Prey TV came out I had no idea it had anything to do with Batman. So, I never watched it. It was on really late and I think it was on against a show I actually liked. It might have been against wrestling. The only reason I know about the show is the aforementioned cameo of Mark Hamill as Live Action Joker(voiceover)
I think I only found out it related to batman several years later.

my fandom of Batman springs from the cartoons, the 66 tv show, the movies, and a small small number of comics. I'm a Batman fan, but really I read Spider-man.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on September 27, 2019, 07:38:44 AM
In the TV Birds of Prey Universe, Huntress is a Metahuman with cat powers because she's the daughter of Batman & a Metahuman Catwoman.

It was really dumb.

I wonder if they'll remember that aspect of Huntress in the crossover.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on September 27, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
The Birds of Prey movie looks like the zombified corpse of the DCEU. It's like a remnant of an old plan.
I need to check out the movie Dead Pigs to see if it is any good before I get any excitement out of Birds of Prey.

I'm more interested with what's going on with Suicide Squad 2, The Batman, Joker, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, and WW84
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2019, 01:51:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGM4uYZzfu0

Birds of Prey trailer.

I think it looks like a bit of fun.  I don't know if I'll bother in the cinema, but I'll quite likely see it on home release.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 01, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
I wasn't in, but....SHE HAS GIGGLES THE FUCKING HYENA!

Earlier this morning I had watched old episode of the 1977 New Adventures of Batman show and Joker had this Hyena named Mr. Giggles. I was walking around Wal-mart and I was thinking thinking it would be really awesome if he had his pet hyena in a movie. I thought about it for about 10 minutes. I also vaguely remember he may have had some Hyenas on TAS.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Giggles_(New_Adventures_of_Batman) (https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Giggles_(New_Adventures_of_Batman))

So now I'm home and now I see Harley Quinn has the Hyena. Excited. But slightly disappointed because I fancy myself as a writer and that would have definitely been in my spec script. I'm also weirded out by the fucking Baader Meinhoff phenomenon.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2019, 07:55:35 PM
That looks terrible.

I’ll probably watch it if only for the cast.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 02, 2019, 01:10:17 AM
Bleeerg. I was hoping she would get tattoo laser removal.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 02, 2019, 07:42:34 AM
I find the trailer had too much Harley Quinn in it.  But they are smart to have her play off other characters, she can't solo a movie.  It looks like they may play into her insanity and that could be really fun.  It seems really like it has a kinda looney tunes vibe to it, which I hope is true, because it could work.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on October 02, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
Finally watched the trailer.

meh.

Still hyped for The Joker though.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Looks like MSNBC's Rachel Maddow is joining the cast of the CW's Batwoman
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/rachel-maddow-joins-cws-batwoman-1245404

she will be a character apparently not currently planning to be seen on screen.
Sounds like she will be a named character from the comics, but only voicing her...? over the radio or on TV?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2019, 09:35:11 AM
Joker sets new Oct OW Record and comes in 4th for an R rated film

(https://i.imgur.com/XpALWzc.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8Zma6wR.png)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 06, 2019, 01:56:38 PM
I wonder if they got the costumes at Spirit yet? You think the movie is going to make money... wait till they start selling merchandise.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2019, 04:00:33 PM
Looks like DC's got more stuff coming our way. This one should fill the void left from that FXX Deadpool cartoon that got cancelled....

Animated Deathstroke Show on The CW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuPnlnfVeMA

I think it looks pretty good. Animation on a level of Venture Bros/Archer (both of which I haven't watched in a long time)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2019, 11:23:35 AM
Now the CW is reaching into the depths of HELL ON EARTH to bring forth another guest apperance.... well not quite, but to make sure they are not outdone by Infinity War in the theaters, they are bringing in LUCIFER from TV to join the CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS story on The CW

(https://i.imgur.com/3Wm8H8e.png)

this is gonna be either the most EPIC thing ever on television, or just a HUGE clusterfuck shitshow thats a giant waste of a great idea and a grand opportunity. there's no room for anything inbetween. :P

although Smallville's Lex Luthor declined to participate.... :/

but don't be surprised if Lucifer is a little confused, as Clark Kent was also on Lucifer and they had a little rivalry going on. lol
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/47/0f/9d470f95a63556fe148011da810f4c6b.jpg
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 12, 2019, 02:56:24 PM
this is gonna be either the most EPIC thing ever on television, or just a HUGE clusterfuck shitshow thats a giant waste of a great idea and a grand opportunity. there's no room for anything inbetween. :P

Well given the general quality of these shows I am fully expecting the latter.  I think they are swinging well above their weight here but hey, the stupidity of it all will be worth the time on its own. 

I fully expect to be screaming much annoyance at my TV on every single part of the crossover.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on October 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
I haven’t been paying attention so I just found out James Gunn’s Suicide Squad sequel is titled “The Suicide Squad.” This is a sequel, not a reboot, right? It’s a little confusing.

The Suicide Squad
2 Suicide 2 Squad
The Suicide Squad: Gotham Drift
Suicide Squad
Suicide 5
Suicide Squad 6
Squad 7
The F8 of the Squad
Suicide Squad Presents: Flagg and Quinn
Quinn: First Blood Part II
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
It is a sequel.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2019, 09:14:00 PM
Crisis PIcs!!

I can't name half these people.... :/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHcmbZTVUAEB5ZR.jpg:large)

and I was just tipped off to a potential spoiler to someone like me who hasn't been keeping up with this... but somehow still speculated something along these lines seasons ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uev4aHrKLEI

John Diggle's step dad's last name was Stewart..... then on Earth 90, he had a "RING".... hmmmm John... Stewart..... and a Ring.... what could that mean!!!?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 21, 2019, 10:31:29 PM
Finally the Brandon Ruth Superman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 22, 2019, 03:10:16 AM
People hate on the trunks, but they really make the costume. He also looks jacked
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 22, 2019, 05:44:32 PM
he looks better than their regular Superman.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on October 23, 2019, 07:01:55 PM
I like the S too. It reminds me of the Fleischer cartoons.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on October 23, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
I'm a guy and Ruth's muscles is giving me feelings. Not sure who is the master, Supes or his hair. Nice and bright costume. It's good.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 25, 2019, 08:12:53 AM
Thought he might be playing the Kingdom Come Superman based on the costume so looked up what that version looked like and I'd say it's a match.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51lYzYrvKQL._SX325_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

I'm starting to get pumped for this big event. Hope it can live up to the hype.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2019, 09:50:12 AM
it was stated almost 3 months ago when Routh was announced. but it's understandable to not remember those details from months ago.

Apparently Brandon Routh as "Kingdom Come Superman"
Kevin Conroy as "Bruce Wayne from the future" (voice of Batman from TAS)
and Black Lightning

all join the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
https://nordic.ign.com/batwoman/27815/news/crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse-crossover-casts-kevin-conroy-as-bruce-wayne

please don't make me play catch up on Arrowverse.... I have fallen way to far behind to even begin to remember where to start.
I just might catch this 5 part series though. Sounds like it could be kinda interesting.

p.s. I have yet to do any sort of catching up on Arrowverse in preparation for this massive CW event crossover.
I at least wanted to be familiar with where all the characters are up to this point.
I'll probably just go in blind though.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
Last year Apple had a special bundle for just the Mega DC crossover event.  If they are smart they will have scripted an event that completely stands alone, with just a few minor threads for each show.  Then sell is a big movie event.  I mean with 5 episodes we are talking an event over 3 hours.  That is a lot of story they could tell.  And even if they just do visiting worlds like that Avengers Endgame does time travel, it could be special. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on October 26, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
it was stated almost 3 months ago when Routh was announced. but it's understandable to not remember those details from months ago.

Apparently Brandon Routh as "Kingdom Come Superman"
Kevin Conroy as "Bruce Wayne from the future" (voice of Batman from TAS)
and Black Lightning

all join the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
https://nordic.ign.com/batwoman/27815/news/crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse-crossover-casts-kevin-conroy-as-bruce-wayne

please don't make me play catch up on Arrowverse.... I have fallen way to far behind to even begin to remember where to start.
I just might catch this 5 part series though. Sounds like it could be kinda interesting.

p.s. I have yet to do any sort of catching up on Arrowverse in preparation for this massive CW event crossover.
I at least wanted to be familiar with where all the characters are up to this point.
I'll probably just go in blind though.

Where'd you leave off? I might be able to give you a quick primer then.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2019, 01:25:05 AM
I honestly wish I could recall at this point.... (just got home from a Halloween party)

It's been seasons since I've watched Arrow, The Flash or the time traveling show
I missed almost all of the previous season of Supergirl, haven't seen the start of Batwoman, and the only show I currently watch attached to any of this is Black Lightning..... which I am 2.5 eps behind on at the moment.

I haven't even finished the last season of Lucifer on Netflix, I've really fallen behind and don't think I'd remember exactly what was going on where I Left off on most of those without starting to watch the shows again tbh.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2019, 04:45:26 AM
Khush:  I think simple season recaps would be fine.  I mean, I bet the actual Crisis event doesn't really need much knowledge of individual episodes just general story arcs
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2019, 12:02:09 AM
So apparently Greg Berlanti isn't done expanding the DCTVU

He's bringing Superman & Lois to The CW
and now a Green Lantern show to HBO Max

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/green-lantern-tv-series-pair-greg-berlanti-dc-dramas-set-at-hbo-max-1250950

this is on top of all the arrowverse shows, Black Lightning, the shows on DCU (Titans, Doom Patrol), the cancelled Krypton and probably everything else attached to the Crisis Crossover I haven't remembered.....

and there are supposedly even more shows coming from him in the near future: Titans spinoffs and other shows on DCU, more arrowverse spinoffs on The CW and new shows on HBO Max as well.
according to the article, 21 shows currently in production right now.... some kind of record, with more to come!!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2019, 02:12:53 AM
Well, I think it would be smart and VERY brave if the Superman Show is actually a combining of Supergirl and Superman into a single show.  What they really need is a Superman universe show, a Batman universe show, a Flash universe Show, and a Green Arrow Universe show.  I could see spinning Green Arrow into something like the Outsiders where you take the universe of side characters that decide to continue the fight without Green Arrow.  Since that show is ending. 

Then you do one big crossover event a season and perhaps one or two smaller crossover events. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 12:56:19 PM
I haven't tuned into Supergirl in a season or two, but good lord does this look terrible...

Did they time travel back to late 90's afterschool programming budgets and acting!?

https://twitter.com/TheCWSupergirl/status/1188696936372670465

https://twitter.com/harlscanary/status/1186115521529335809?s=20

I really hope Crisis got the Budget Boost and these two episodes above are just a victim of resource pooling for the greater good.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2019, 05:46:50 AM
I think the CGI is BAD, but it still isn't Smallville bad...and in some ways it is so bad it is good.  The martian scene is actually much better than blowing up the window scene. 

Anyway, I think that they must be saving money for the big Crisis event.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 07, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
Looks like Crisis is gonna help Berlanti's Arrowverse expand even further
https://www.wired.com/story/crisis-on-infinite-earths-crossover-watchmen/

We already knew about Superman and Green Lantern coming.
did we know about Stargirl and Booster Gold though?

(Booster Gold was apparently removed from the article, but was also I guess rumored before hand)


edit: and WW84 Teaser for a Trailer to be released tomorrow
https://twitter.com/WonderWomanFilm/status/1203358507652698113

WTF!!? WW out here swinging from lightning bolts!!?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 08, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
Wonder Woman 84 Trailer is out. 

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfM7_JLk-84

I am loving this trailer so much and I am so overcome with emotion because we are getting a new Wonder Woman movie.  I love all the 80s vibes the trailer gives off and I just want to say I love the music accompanying the trailer.  I think it is a remix of the 80s hit Blue Monday by New Order.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 08, 2019, 01:51:17 PM
It looks decent! I like the bright colors of her armor. They kept my biggest concern (Cheetah) out of the trailer though, so that makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on December 08, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
Looks good.

Only (mild) criticism so far: Not sure why Hollywood won’t stop doing the ugly-pretty-girl. While not as egregious as Zendaya in the MCU Spider-Man movies, still just as unnecessary.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 08, 2019, 04:15:39 PM
It looks decent! I like the bright colors of her armor. They kept my biggest concern (Cheetah) out of the trailer though, so that makes me nervous.
Give the trailer another watch.  The gal that was talking with Diana is another form of Cheetah. Before her full on makeup

Looks good.

Only (mild) criticism so far: Not sure why Hollywood won’t stop doing the ugly-pretty-girl. While not as egregious as Zendaya in the MCU Spider-Man movies, still just as unnecessary.
I totally understand this sort of thing can be a tired trope but I think there may be more to it than her prettying herself up a bit.  Maybe she is giving into what she wants and she is being influenced somehow.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 08, 2019, 09:35:04 PM
I know Kristen Wiig is Cheetah, but she isn't dressed as Cheetah and she ain't doing Cheetah things.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 08, 2019, 10:22:33 PM
I know Kristen Wiig is Cheetah, but she isn't dressed as Cheetah and she ain't doing Cheetah things.
Well that would give away the main fights now wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ejamer on December 09, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Maybe excited about WW84? I don't know if Gal Gadot is a decent actress generally, but she seems like a fantastic lead for a superhero movie and the first Wonder Woman movie was the only DC extended universe flick that I'd be willing to watch again.

Still, it's hard to have faith giving how bad the other DC movies have been. And that spoiler BnM covered earlier didn't look promising in the trailer... is that a real thing in DC canon? I mean, somehow I could accept lightning from the gods, but this looked pretty silly.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on December 09, 2019, 02:59:33 PM
It looks silly, but as long as they explain it, I'm fine.  We let Spider-Man swing from out of frame question mark blocks, so I think it's fair.

I know DC movies have stunk, but WW was good, so I expect the sequel to be better since it won't have the Snyder influence.  And Aquaman and Shazam were good, so I'll say they're on an upswing.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 09, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
Maybe excited about WW84? I don't know if Gal Gadot is a decent actress generally, but she seems like a fantastic lead for a superhero movie and the first Wonder Woman movie was the only DC extended universe flick that I'd be willing to watch again.

Still, it's hard to have faith giving how bad the other DC movies have been. And that spoiler BnM covered earlier didn't look promising in the trailer... is that a real thing in DC canon? I mean, somehow I could accept lightning from the gods, but this looked pretty silly.
Wonder Woman has lots of silly things but I think if it is explained in the film it should work.  Speaking of silly things.  I wonder if some of the instances of Diana lassoing things in the air is her Invisible Jet  in some of the shots. It would explain some things.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2019, 07:10:54 AM
Stargirl trailer - CW/DCU show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp5Xv7QcgkM

all things considered.... doesn't look bad.
I likely won't watch it.... but then again, I'm kinda burnt on the Arrowverse, and still haven't event taken the time to catch up enough to tune in to the current ongoing Crisis Event.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 12, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Arrow and Flash had enough steam for one or two decent seasons then got bad. The rest of the arrowverse has just been coasting on that good will.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
I think it goes to show that the American television format of 24 episode 45 minute shows is very hard to keep up for multiple formats, but I must say I am liking the tone of the show.  I feel like this show seems to have the right vibe to be a good show to both attract a female market and be a good well written female lead.  My problem with Batwoman is it appears to try to hard.  I am an edgy woman that hates male authority and rebels.  I am aware the show may not be that.  I am also aware that people like that exist and need representation, but you have to write those characters very carefully and with finesse.  This show looks like the flash wholesomeness with a female lead, and eventually an Ironman knockoff.  It also looks like it will have a fun family dynamic which is much needed. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on January 07, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
The Harley Quinn show has been most excellent. Once again DC Animation comes out on top.

Supergirl is buckling under it's own weight as it is manufacturing more drama for drama sakes. Man Hunter has been flanderised to to point of being the stereotypical Native American Indian. Alex has nowhere to go. Lena is just plain crazy now. Brain is tiresome.

Crisis has been a mixed bag. Everything about the tower was serious cringe. Who wrote this ****? I am not even sure what the point of it was other than an excuse to kill Ollie which gets undermined later. The Batman / Bradon Superman episode is good stuff.

Pretty much just waiting for Legends to come back and thoroughly enjoying HQ.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 15, 2020, 02:34:42 AM
So the crossover is done.  And as expected it was reprehensibly bad.  Thank goodness that's over and done with.
Extra points for a particular surprise cameo though.  Thoroughly enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 15, 2020, 04:55:35 AM
What was the surprise cameo?  Also, I am still curious about it.  Is it remotely possible to watch it and understand without watching any of the shows?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 15, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
What was the surprise cameo?

Ezra Miller's movie Flash


Also, I am still curious about it.  Is it remotely possible to watch it and understand without watching any of the shows?

Oh most definitely.  The only other shows I would suggest you watch for prep would be the Elseworlds crossover from 2018.  Not necessary, but it will shed light on one of the major points from this one.  But by no means do you need to watch all the shows.  In fact in order to save your sanity I would recommend against it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on January 15, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
In fact in order to save your sanity I would recommend against it.

I can agree with this. If you are going to watch one of the shows I recommend Legends of Tomorrow. It's a fun adventure show with a ship full of Losers/C-List heroes that doesn't take itself seriously at all. There is a Unicorn that eats hearts, so yeah not serious. Then there is Rip, he is brilliant asshole, Duvuel carries the show until it can stand on it's own.

A warning I do give is the supporting character of the first 2 seasons are "Please go away". It still suffers from "TV" fighting where somehow it's hand to hand despite guns and there is a bit of shoehorning. It bad enough that at times I rather not have a fight at all, less can be more.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Plugabugz on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PM
In fact in order to save your sanity I would recommend against it.

I can agree with this. If you are going to watch one of the shows I recommend Legends of Tomorrow. It's a fun adventure show with a ship full of Losers/C-List heroes that doesn't take itself seriously at all. There is a Unicorn that eats hearts, so yeah not serious. Then there is Rip, he is brilliant asshole, Duvuel carries the show until it can stand on it's own.

A warning I do give is the supporting character of the first 2 seasons are "Please go away". It still suffers from "TV" fighting where somehow it's hand to hand despite guns and there is a bit of shoehorning. It bad enough that at times I rather not have a fight at all, less can be more.

It feels like somewhere in late Season 1 / Early S2 they decided to stop trying to spend money on the characters' powers and go in another direction. Not entirely a bad thing given we wound up with Beebo.
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Post by: Plugabugz on January 16, 2020, 02:08:18 PM
I'm watching Part 5 of Crisis now and the best lines of the entire crossover are, unsurprisingly, in the Legends ep.

"Is this what all the crossovers are like?"
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 16, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
I'm watching Part 5 of Crisis now and the best lines of the entire crossover are, unsurprisingly, in the Legends ep.

Yeah, Legends is the only one out of the lot of them which doesn't take itself seriously.  It's a dumb show and it knows it.

All the other ones think they are some kind of hard core insightful analytical commentary on society.  I think this is my biggest gripe with them.  If I'm watching a superhero show (especially one from CW for goodness sake) I don't want to be preached at.  I want to switch my brain off and watch superhero nonsense happen.  I think it's the irony that makes them so damn forgettable.   The complete nonsense happening on screen taken so seriously.
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Post by: broodwars on January 18, 2020, 09:30:30 AM
All the other ones think they are some kind of hard core insightful analytical commentary on society.  I think this is my biggest gripe with them.  If I'm watching a superhero show (especially one from CW for goodness sake) I don't want to be preached at.  I want to switch my brain off and watch superhero nonsense happen.

Granted, I haven't watched any of the Arrowverse shows in a few years (the last episodes I watched were the crossover with the Nazi Arrow/Supergirl universe) and I've never watched (and never will watch) Black Lightning, but I feel like only Supergirl thinks it's some kind of hardcore, pretentious, analytical commentary on society. That's the reason I stopped watching it.

I'm completely with you that Legends is the most fun one of the bunch, and I REALLY need to catch up on the Arrowverse just so I can watch the season where the awesomeness that is Constantine joins the show. Arrow and Flash shared the issue of redundancy: both did 1-2 kinds of story really well, and then spent the next 5-6 seasons repeating them. Flash was one of the most entertaining shows I'd ever seen when it 1st released, and then it started pulling towards Arrow's brooding. Meanwhile, Arrow never stopped brooding. It got old. Plus, Arrow really wanted me to care about Felicity, who is just The Worst by that point in the show.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 18, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
I'm glad we all pretty much agree about Legends.

It started out bad.  It tried to play things straight and serious and I spent so much time yelling at the TV that what they were doing made no sense in the context of the show.

Then, at some point, I feel like someone involved actually heard me and was like "You know what?  **** this.  We have a group of low-tier idiots running through time just fucking stuff up - let's just have fun." and the show got good.  It's not high value, philosophical, meaningful, or even particularly well written/produced/acted the vast majority of the time.  But it's just fun.
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Post by: Plugabugz on January 18, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
The show's overall sense of lunacy (NOW, that is) brings enough fun that i can ignore all the issues simply to see Mick get mad that a giant Beebo interrupted his book signing as Rebecca Silver - i'm glad Mick has got much more interesting development since the start of the series. He's now easily one of my favourite characters

My only complaints is how Legends, both the show and its characters is treated as a child series to everything else; stories never actually go BACK to Flash or Arrow, but plenty go TO Legends in the early days. And in the crossover Sara mentions how Oliver is the last person to remember him before she got on the boat - has she forgotten her mother is still alive?

I've never watched (and never will watch) Black Lightning

I think you should give it a try. Even though it is Arrowverse adjacent - don't let Crisis fool you into thinking its in the Arrowverse now, all the shows (bar bits of Batwoman) is in Vancouver while Black Lightning is in Atlanta. Crossover opportunities, in terms of production, are limited. Unlike all the other shows, this one looks at superheroes through a different lens. Whether that's successful or not is another story, but it at least makes a strong effort to do that.

Plus Jefferson and Lynn have better chemistry than Iris/Barry, Oliver/Felicity and even Ava/Sara.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: UncleBob on January 26, 2020, 01:28:37 AM
I finally watched Joker.

Damn, this was a great movie.

People who were complaining about the "message" of this movie missed the point.

Do recommend.  Best DC movie in a long time.
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Post by: broodwars on January 26, 2020, 06:02:14 AM
I finally watched Joker.

Damn, this was a great movie.

People who were complaining about the "message" of this movie missed the point.

Do recommend.  Best DC movie in a long time.

I also watched it recently for the 1st time after it hit BluRay.

Yeah, it was alright. I'm not thrilled with the pacing of the movie, with its fondness of lingering on sequences that don't seem to have any particular purpose. What specifically comes to mind are those moments where the movie will just stop so Phoenix can do one of those extended arm flailing "dancing" sequences with himself. Honestly, I'm not sure I understood what he was doing for a fair amount of the film.

There are also a plot point in the movie I don't think is explained particularly well: how the pseudo-Occupy Wallstreet clown mob know that someone specifically dressed as a clown killed those 3 Wallstreet thugs to begin with. It feels like there was a scene cut where it revealed that someone saw that last Wallstreet guy get killed & reported it.

Overall, I quite like the movie, but there are elements of it that bug me a bit.

I really need to catch up on my Superhero stuff. Aquaman and Shazam were cheap on Amazon the other day, so I ordered those. Haven't watched a Marvel film since...Guardians 2?
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Post by: broodwars on January 26, 2020, 06:18:27 AM
Incidentally, along with Shazam & Aquaman, I also picked up a DC movie I've always been morbidly curious about: Superman: Brainiac Attacks. It's an animated Superman movie that uses the art style & most of the voice cast from Superman: The Animate Series, so it's kinda...sorta...a "lost" DC AU movie, but...not really.

I went into this movie expecting a total trainwreck that based on its reputation, but it's not actually that bad. In fact, I'd say it's about on par with a C-Tier Superman: TAS/Justice League episode. The animation is typical DCAU-caliber work, the voice acting is excellent, and the story is not all that far off what you'd see in a typical Superman episode of the DCAU.

Where the movie falls flat with me is how it fails to commit to a particular style. The movie may LOOK like S:TAS, but it has none of the musical theme from that series. Instead, it seems to rely on an odd variation of the John Williams Superman theme. Luthor is not only voiced by Powers Boothe instead of Clancy Brown (the best Lex Luthor), but his character seems to be modeled after the Gene Hackman Luthor. He just has a lot of goofy dialogue and bad jokes that just don't work for the character. Likewise, Brainiac is now voiced by Lance Henrickson instead of Corey Burton, and his character seems more emotional than we've ever seen the character. Meanwhile, Lois; Superman: Jimmy Olsen; Perry White; etc. all DO have their Superman:TAS voice actors and are very much in character with those versions. The two styles just don't fit together.

Overall, eh...it's alright. We DCAU fans are spoiled when it comes to great storytelling, and by comparison to the proper DCAU this film does not hold up well. However, on its own I thought it was OK.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 26, 2020, 10:12:46 AM
>There are also a plot point in the movie I don't think is explained particularly well: how the pseudo-Occupy Wallstreet clown mob know that someone specifically dressed as a clown killed those 3 Wallstreet thugs to begin with. It feels like there was a scene cut where it revealed that someone saw that last Wallstreet guy get killed & reported it.

The woman who was being harassed by the three guys surely went to the cops after she heard about the murders.  I imagine she was all "Yeah, they were harassing me at x:xx and I left when they started harassing this clown freak instead." and the cops had already figured out the murders happened around x:xy due to information from the medical examiner combined with two of the bodies being on the train and the third having got off at a particular stop and leaving a bloody trail from the train and through the stop.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 26, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
Harley Quinn continues to own.

A corporate orientation VHS fronted by Lex Luthor for the Legend of Doom? Yes please.

Bain: I am still trying to get a chair...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2020, 10:00:41 PM
a new clip of Birds of Prey.....

https://twitter.com/TheDCEU/status/1222758423453847552

:|

I didn't get to watch with sound, but this ain't the scene that selling me on anything.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 01, 2020, 07:22:20 AM
The action is just too slow and the fight just doesn’t seem to have any power or weight to it. In theory I like the camera work and the clear action shots but something is off.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 01, 2020, 11:21:24 AM
Several positive reviews are in but that looks like a Joel Schumacher Batman clip.

Though there is some appeal to the Joel Schumacher Batman movies if you don't take them seriously.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 01, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Who is the cinematographer for this BOP film???? They should be fired.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 10, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
I've been checking out DC Universe. That Harley Quinn cartoon is heinous trash. I'm halfway through the first episode of Doom Patrol, it could be something.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 10, 2020, 12:00:01 PM
I've been checking out DC Universe. That Harley Quinn cartoon is heinous trash.

Another Oohhboy argument in 3, 2, 1.....
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Post by: nickmitch on February 10, 2020, 12:17:20 PM
Birds of Prey appears to have under-performed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/arts/birds-of-prey-box-office.html)
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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2020, 03:13:07 PM
Birds of Prey appears to have under-performed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/arts/birds-of-prey-box-office.html)

Good. It looked like crap.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 10, 2020, 03:23:49 PM
Birds of Prey appears to have under-performed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/arts/birds-of-prey-box-office.html)

Good. It looked like crap.

Good why? I don't judge things until I've got more than just a trailer. The general consensus has the movie squarely as a B rating. But I also can't go by that either. I have to actually watch it. The only reason I haven't watched it is I'm not that fond of going to the theater anymore. I have a free voucher and some gift cards, but it's a lot of trouble to go get a ticket when I can watch something else on VOD.
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Post by: oohhboy on February 10, 2020, 05:52:42 PM
I've been checking out DC Universe. That Harley Quinn cartoon is heinous trash.

Another Oohhboy argument in 3, 2, 1.....

The trailer was very representative.
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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
Birds of Prey appears to have under-performed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/arts/birds-of-prey-box-office.html)

Good. It looked like crap.

Good why? I don't judge things until I've got more than just a trailer. The general consensus has the movie squarely as a B rating. But I also can't go by that either. I have to actually watch it. The only reason I haven't watched it is I'm not that fond of going to the theater anymore. I have a free voucher and some gift cards, but it's a lot of trouble to go get a ticket when I can watch something else on VOD.

The trailers look awful, and the general consensus online seems to be that the trailers are fairly representative of the final product. It looks like a film that was rushed out the door to pander to a very particular subset of the fandom, and now it is failing as a result. It's not even a proper Birds of Prey film, since the Birds of Prey are traditionally Batgirl/Oracle, Huntress, and Black Canary.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 10, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
I saw someone write about it. Basically they said it was completely mismarketed. And they blame it on the R rating because the character isn’t Deadpool. She appeals to several age groups and genders. The R rating kept alot of potential viewers from the show. The marketing as a birds of prey movie which it isn’t. Also is a problem. Also Harley Quinn’s first outing with almost zero joker is foolish. She can be her own woman. But at least the Harley Quinn cartoon understood she has to earn it and work through her abuse and trauma from joker.  Finally they said the story isn’t ambitious or special. It is basic. Well DC movies should be character driven and anything but basic.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 10, 2020, 09:10:39 PM
They went really weird with the Birds of Prey in a way I'm not sure would resonate with fans of the comic.  And the R-rating certainly keeps kids out of the theatres.  I personally didn't even know the movie was coming out this weekend until I saw news of the box office, but maybe that's just me.

The movie has a 60 on metacritic, which counts as "mixed", and for a superhero flick, I'm inclined to think it ain't bad.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 10, 2020, 10:10:00 PM
That is a good point the marketing was so bad I didn’t know either.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2020, 06:37:31 AM
since non one knew it was even out yet, and the fact that everyone just referred to it as the Harley Quinn movie anyway...... WB/DC has now CHANGED THE NAME OF THE MOVIE 🤣 to help boost the damn ticket sales.

It is know officially titled: Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/birds-of-prey-gets-a-new-theatrical-title-after-po/1100-6473574/

should have called it Harley Quinn & the Birds of Prey
unless Harley Quinn is about to become a series in itself....
(i.e. future sequel = Harley Quinn: the Joker's Punchline)

or switch the title around and call it: The Emancipation of Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey
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Post by: nickmitch on February 11, 2020, 08:51:10 AM
Big yikes on that one.  Haven't seen anything like this since Edge of Tomorrow, which was a fine name, but all the posters had "Live. Die. Repeat." as the tag line, which was just so much better.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 11, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
People are wondering why it's doing poorly: my guess is because it looks stupid and has gotten bad reviews.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 11, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Even if the film had a better marketing campaign, it still would have bombed just for the fact Suicide Squad was complete trash.  There is literally nothing redeemable about that movie, and the Harley/Joker subplot was one of the worst aspects of that film.

I mean some can make the argument that Wonder Woman and Aquaman did good despite being connected to BvS and Justice League.  Difference is, Wonder Woman was barely in BvS until the ending, and her fighting at the end was one of the few good things in that movie.  Same with Aquaman in Justice League being the least prominent member of the League for most of the movie.  So it's easier for audiences to go into their solo films, since their characters weren't viewed as the major issues in the films they debuted in.

In comparison, Deadshot and Harley Quinn were the 2 most important characters by far in Suicide Squad with the most screentime out of the whole cast.  So to the average movie goer, that was her movie, and so it's a lot harder for Birds of Prey to separate itself from all the crap in Suicide Squad, when it's main character was literally the main character of the other film and some of the worst crap was related to her storyline from said film.

I mean there's a reason the James Gunn Suicide Squad is basically being treated as a soft reboot.  Yeah, Harley Quinn will be in that movie as well, but with the amount of new characters he's bringing to the cast and the fact the tone of the film is said to be different, I wouldn't be surprised if her role will be reduced as well.  I imagine much of the advertising for James Gunn Suicide Squad will focus on the new that's he's bringing in, instead of reminding people of the old.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 11, 2020, 12:20:27 PM
Question for the forum here how many of you actually seen the movie?  I am generally curious.

I saw it the other night and the title is perfect for the film. The original one not this new one. 

The movie is all about Harley and her breakup and all that ensues thereafter because Harley broke up with Mr J in the most Harley way possible.  Taking the truck and it barrels into Axis Chemicals and Harley leaving the necklace that M J gave her. The rest of the movie is all about Harley not having that protection that being Mr Js girl gave her and what she needs to survive with everyone against her now.  That trailer up above with the fighting is like one of the last main parts of the movie before the movies conclusion which surprised me how it ended in a good way.

The R rating was needed for the content because there is some bits in this movie where it does get really dark. After all Victor Zsasz is in this movie. I will leave that at that.   

As far as being connected to Suicide Squad the movie really only has 2 things in the movie and one is the starting point and is a flashback and one is just a call back saying Harley knows someone from the Suicide Squad and that is it.
 Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of Harley Quinn is its own movie and it is a very good movie with everything being tied together in the movie itself and I highly recommend. 
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 11, 2020, 12:29:53 PM
As to the reviews on Meta Critic has anyone read the reviews for them.  This is review bombing in progress since it doesn't align with what they wanted it to be instead of judging it for what it is.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 11, 2020, 02:37:44 PM
I have not seen it yet - it's gonna be a wait for home release for me.

However, Zsasz was utilized in Gotham well (at first.  he became the recurring gun for hire that made him seem overused and undermotivated by the end) with no need for an R rating.  Not that I care one way or another about ratings.  I've always found it odd when people try to use them to critique a movie (either way).

In this case, I don't think the rating made a huge difference.  Harley has become a bit of a sell-out character where women in their 30s buy her tshirts because she's "cool" - and that's about the limit of her power, a marketable token character where my contemporaries do things like post a pic to Facebook of her and the Joker embraced with a caption like "I want to find the Joker to my Harley" with zero understanding of the psychological trama that Harley and Joker's relationship is.  Suicide Squad did her (nor anyone related to the film) no favors at all.  I just can't see anyone  - regardless of age - going out of their way to see this movie unless it was already on their radar.
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Post by: oohhboy on February 12, 2020, 12:58:47 AM
As to the reviews on Meta Critic has anyone read the reviews for them.  This is review bombing in progress since it doesn't align with what they wanted it to be instead of judging it for what it is.

This would only be true if this was an original film. Being a Harley Quinn movie it has expectations. Joker and The Harley Quinn cartoon managed to meet them and thus rewarded. Doesn't help it has the stink of Suicide Squad and having them be the Birds of Prey is a real ass backwards head scratcher. The Huntress working with her like what??

"No one wanted or needs this but please buy it and give it a thumbs up". Have you considered there isn't review bombing? Maybe giving what the audience wants is a good idea? The cartoon gave us what we wanted and by being superior makes HQ:BoP redundant. Even without HQ show Joker raised the bar which is a GOOD thing.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2020, 08:56:08 AM
Joker had the advantage of throwing out any expectations when they said they were making a movie that wasn't grounded in the comics and would be more artsy than anything.  With Birds of Prey, I don't know where the expectations were.  You almost knew it'd be a Harley Quinn movie with that character coming straight from Suicide Squad.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
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This would only be true if this was an original film. Being a Harley Quinn movie it has expectations. Joker and The Harley Quinn cartoon managed to meet them and thus rewarded. Doesn't help it has the stink of Suicide Squad and having them be the Birds of Prey is a real ass backwards head scratcher. The Huntress working with her like what??
   I guess I get to spoil movies now, thanks... All the characters in the movie have their own things going on and have their own motivations. Huntress had all of her family get killed at the start of the movie over their family diamond which had the location of their riches within the diamond but her mother passed it onto her and one of the henchman spared Huntress live and she trained to get revenge on that crime family. Montoya is a smart and hardworking captain but everyone in the department doesn't respect her for all she does and even takes credit for things she does as their own accomplishments. She is right most of the time on her hunches and in the movie she tries to track down who has the diamond which Cassandra Cain does.  Cassandra Cain is a young girl who has parents fighting all the time and she is a pick pocket who always gets caught who after taking the diamond and swallows it everyone is after her for the diamond.  Wanting to cut open her stomach or getting the diamond out through less harsh means.  Black Canary is an undercover informant and singer at Black Mask's club who has to become Black Mask's driver after Harley did a number on the former drivers legs when she was acting like she ran the place because of the immunity she had from being Joker's girlfriend. All of their stories merge into the 3rd act when they all get to the amusement park for their own reasons.  It isn't till Black Mask and all of his men show up for pretty much everyone of our heroines/anti heroines and they have no choice but to work together to make it out alive.  Thanks oohhboy for making me spoil the movie to explain why things are going the way they are in the movie.
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Post by: broodwars on February 12, 2020, 09:39:56 AM
I would also note that, while Harley was the best part of Suicide Squad, that is one hell of a curve she got graded on. The same with Wil Smith's performance as Will Smith in that film. Rushing out a pseudo-sequel starring Harley & just stamping the Birds of Prey name on it wasn't a recipe for success.

They would have been better off making a dedicated Harley movie & doing BoP later on down the line when the DCEU (whatever it is now) & its characters are better established. Not everyone watches the CW TV shows, where some of these characters are better-known.
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Post by: oohhboy on February 12, 2020, 10:44:29 AM
I wouldn't say they threw out all the expectations as people expect to see a Joker rather than someone called Joker. Hamill, Nicholson, Caesar and Ledger Joker are very different but no one argues over their legitimacy. If Joaquin couldn't legitimise his take the rest of the movie doesn't matter. Leto fucked that up and has been disavowed.

Which causes a problem for BoP. HQ can't "Free" herself if Joker isn't the antagonist. HQ show has Joker as an antagonist but she isn't free at the end of the first episode. It's an ongoing arc where she continues to be abused making every step towards freedom that much sweeter. If you can't get Joker dump the freedom angle by having an adventure during one of those "Mister J told me to **** off" periods.

The lack of Poison Ivy is a death blow for fans of HQ's "Emancipation". The creators had no idea where they were going understanding only the most shallow aspects of HQ's deep mental issues.

That's not really who Huntress is based on my limited knowledge. She is meant to be a willing to kill version of Batman, she wouldn't give a damn about the diamond other than a way to track down the murderers. The other characters have the same issue where they are illegitimate, couldn't sell this version of them, a common complaint.

It has the same issue of SS with too many characters but at least SS didn't **** around getting them together so they can interact.

It doesn't work for the fans. Causals has zero hype. Being effectively a sequel to SS poisoned it. The R rating is underutilised. It chases Deadpool without understanding why it worked. It doesn't understand HQ freeing her too early instead at the end making it an abandoned arc.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2020, 12:17:51 PM
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The lack of Poison Ivy is a death blow for fans of HQ's "Emancipation". The creators had no idea where they were going understanding only the most shallow aspects of HQ's deep mental issues.
I guess I get to spoil more of the movie.... In the animated intro Harley mentions that on top of Mr. J kicking her to the curb. Harley mentions a female partner which didn't work out. Most likely Ivy.

As far as Huntress she does her thing and kills most of the people on her list. Zsasz is the last person on her list and still alive who is after the diamond which at that point is at the Mr. J and Harleys old hideout.  Huntress kills Zsasz and then was going to peace out but it is a Mexican standoff because of all that has gone on through the movie between all the main characters until Black Mask shows up.  None of them are going to make it out alive alone so they work together. Huntress has a crossbow with limited ammo and Black Mask has bought an army to get rid of the gals so it makes sense to work together.

I swear everyone needs to see if so I am not argueing points which are layed out in the movie.
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Post by: Stratos on February 12, 2020, 01:22:39 PM
That doesn't really combat Oohhboy's point. The lack of Poison Ivy in the film is a blow to fans of the Harley series. An off-the-cuff mention doesn't really do anyone any good in this film.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 12, 2020, 02:25:38 PM
I swear everyone needs to see if so I am not argueing points which are layed out in the movie.

Haven't read the spoilers but, yeah, I was planning on checking it out. Just wasn't in a rush to do so opening weekend. I've been interested in this movie since the first full length trailer. ShyGuy complained about the cinematographer earlier but it was that different look which helped sell me checking it from the first trailer.

I'll tell you what the real problem is here. Marvel's created unreal expectations for box office numbers. It's not like Marvel started off with Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel as a couple of their movies in phase 1. They went with characters that they felt had a much stronger name recognition within the public even if they might not have been the most popular like Spiderman or even Wolverine (X-Men). They also made their ambition pretty clear of wanting to connect their movies and lead to The Avengers which got more people to check out those films than might otherwise have gone to see just Thor or The Incredible Hulk. By building a united universe, each film became like a chapter that got people to see the next development and keep up. It started a snowball effect that they became bigger and bigger openings drawing in more and more people.

Right now, DC doesn't seem to have much of a shared universe. My impression of the film from the trailers and ads is that it is basically a stand-alone adventure. The truth is that even within DC's comics, Huntress and Black Canary struggle to stay relevant or utilized much. They've had their own titles that have come and gone with smaller runs. Birds of Prey did succeed for a long time before the New 52 reboot but the title was still more of a minor impact in the Universe as a whole compared to adventures with Batman, The Flash or Green Lantern, for example. Harley Quinn is probably the biggest character name draw for this film and she's a pretty recent creation compared to characters like Captain America or Iron Man. Moreover, it's only been in the last 5 years or so that DC's really been trying to expand her appeal and make her stand more on her own without Joker or Poison Ivy. In fact, it seems like they are trying to make her a bit more Deadpool-like within the DC realm.

Thus, a movie with second or even third level status heroes and villains that seems to be a stand-alone story with maybe vague connections to a previous mediocre film featuring one of the better characters from it, why would WB expect huge numbers? 33 million sounds about right. Since Wonder Woman, Aquaman and even Joker did big numbers cracking a billion, I guess WB now has sky-high expectations about everything. The assumption is that every comic book movie should be doing $70-$100 million on opening weekend thanks to Marvel or DC's big name properties but I think that's an unreal expectation and why the bubble bursts for so many other companies trying to hop on the shared universe money train. Especially with shifting away to a more stand-alone movie universe. In that case, some movies just aren't going to do big numbers and they should set expectations accordingly to the product not what has happened with a different property in different circumstances.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 12, 2020, 02:47:00 PM
Yeah you are mostly right Khushrenada on the stand alone movie that BoP and The Emancipation of Harley Quinn is for the most part aside from the near end of the movie where Huntress, Black Canary and Renee Montoya becomes the new Birds of Prey. I personally don't want to see Barbara to go through what she went through to become Oracle just so fans can have a nice pretty bow to tie the original Birds of Prey within a movie.  F the Killing Joke.      
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on March 05, 2020, 11:10:02 PM
My biggest problem with Birds of Prey is the story telling sucked. It was a mess and all over the place. There was actually some good stuff buried underneath some incompetent garbage. The plot should have either been episodic following the perspective of a different character each episode or followed another character entirely. It just wasn't put together well.
Also, non-linear story telling only works is if the plots you're shifting around with are interesting. I saw imitations of Fincher, Boyle, and Tarantino, just not done well.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on March 06, 2020, 12:52:38 AM
Just watch the cartoon show which is actually good.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2020, 12:24:43 AM
Just watch the cartoon show which is actually good.

OMG, I'm watching S1 of the Harley Quinn cartoon and this is great.
it's fucked up, vulgar, gory, and hilarious.

I'm watching E7: The Line w/ Wanda Sykes and LMAO @ the family reunion resolution with the Big Bad Wolf and then the 3 Little Pigs. fucked up to the hilarious degree. LOL
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 16, 2020, 01:42:02 AM
Yeah, Harley Quinn's show is pretty good.  It seems to have a twisted but still accurate take on all the Batman characters.  I kinda take the stranger portrayal of characters as how Harley Quinn sees them.  It is so great to see that they gave Harley Quinn a good ensemble cast which helps balance her madness and tell a good story.  Also, Poison Ivy is easily my favorite version of Poison Ivy. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on May 17, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
I goddamn love Bain. His prison is just something else.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2020, 07:33:45 PM
*sigh*

Oh boy, here we go...Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.

I haven't seen a movie inspire such passionate hatred in me in quite a long time, and yet...it's not a terrible movie. It's just not a good one, either, and it embodies everything I despise about this particular era of DC animated work.

I really liked the 1st Justice League Dark movie, not the least of which because it introduced John Constantine to the DC animated films, voiced expertly as ever by Matt Ryan. When they announced there would be another of these films, I was delighted.  I had no goddamn idea what the movie would ACTUALLY be, because this has NOTHING to do with Justice League Dark beyond prominently featuring John Constantine.

Spoilers beware if you care.

What this movie ACTUALLY is is the conclusion to DC's long-running animated film universe that started with The Flashpoint Paradox (a genuinely enjoyable film). Unfortunately, after that 1st outing it became clear that the purpose of that film was to establish the "New 52" slate of films, where everyone hates each other; life is cheap; and everyone is a goddamn edgelord. I HATE the New 52 films, with very few exceptions.

Oh, you thought the New 52 films were edgelord before? Well here's Apokolips War to out-edgelord the edgiest Edgelords that ever edgelorded. Have you ever wanted to see about 1/3 of the characters in the DC universe eaten alive while you got to watch? How about more getting torn in half or shot into bloody chunks? Maybe you're a particularly sick bastard who wanted to see superheroes get dismembered, tortured, and then disintegrated in molten lava? How about a character literally being burned to death? Well HAVE I GOT A FILM FOR YOU!  :rolleyes:

Oh, but it gets better. There's a notorious DC comic series from a few years back called "Future's End" particularly noteworthy for a hilariously awful section where it reveals the DC Superheroes converted into robotic spider-people for no apparent reason, in particular Batgirl being mounted to the Batsignal and Frankenstein having Black Canary's still-alive face sewn to his chest. This comic is notoriously hated.

This movie homages that portion of Future's End. Yes, including the robot spider people.

This movie is cruel, disgusting, and try-hard to the extreme. All it knows how to do is kill people in increasingly sick ways. It's also the 1st of these DC animated films where I feel like you actually had to watch the previous films to make sense of some of the stuff it just brings up.

And yet...and yet...there is some good here. When characters aren't murdering each other for kicks, the banter is generally great. Constantine, as usual, is hilarious. Zatanna (as little as she is in the film this time) no longer looks like an NFL linebacker. It's nice to see so many characters running around from the other films, such as the Suicide Squad. I also appreciate that the movie ends with the end of this entire stupid universe, and it openly acknowledges that.

I would only recommend this film if you like Constantine, as he's in top form as ever, and perhaps if you actually like these New 52 films and wanted to see how it all ended. It's not a good film.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
"Snyder cut" coming to HBO Max. (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/zack-snyder-release-the-snyder-cut-justice-league-hbo-max-1234611928/)

Update: Zack Synder is getting the old crew together to work on post-production for the cut, which is expected to cost at least $20M. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-snyder-cut-plans-revealed-it-will-be-an-new-thing-1295102)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 21, 2020, 03:46:51 AM
You know if this is successful, and like the Snyder Cut is actually popular and gets good reviews.  I wouldn't mind the Synder-verse continuing separate from the other series.  If not to just get a fully Snyder Justice League Trilogy going.  I mean whether you liked his vision or not the man obviously had a vision which is more than that new Star Wars Trilogy has, and probably more than the DC movies have now.

Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2020, 02:40:43 PM
I haven't seen the theatrical cut of Justice League, but I didn't like Man of Steel. So I'm not exactly holding my breath to see this, and my only reason for wanting to is how much people have been clamoring for it. The most interesting part to new is that the cut didn't really exist. There was probably never a finished Snyder-cut to release, hence why HBO is paying for him to make it now. I wonder if all the extra time will improve or hurt it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2020, 07:08:07 PM
Well, he has the benefit of a fairly good budget of $20M to do SFX and editing work, and the opinions of the #releasethesnydercut fanbois to navigate what to fix and what to flesh out.

I don't assume there will be any additional footage shot, but $10M sounds like sooooo much to just assemble footage from a movie already shot and then add CG effects to it. Entire movies with heavy CG effects have been shot from scratch for less, and this one has already been filmed.... only needs the CG effects.

I of course will not be queuing up to watch this, but if it's free to stream one day, and nothing better is on, I might give it a watch.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Khushrenada on May 21, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
And here I thought the news in this thread would be about Ruby Rose jumping ship from Batwoman already. The TV shows are starting to catch up to the movies in development issues!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
And here I thought the news in this thread would be about Ruby Rose jumping ship from Batwoman already. The TV shows are starting to catch up to the movies in development issues!

It's Batwoman. People were shocked it even got renewed for a 2nd season because no one watched the 1st season. Plus, we have Stargirl coming who could easily take her slot if Warner wasn't so devoted to the sunk cost fallacy.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2020, 10:00:01 PM
Are rating the reason Ruby Rose jumped ship though?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2020, 10:02:40 PM
I read Ruby Rose was almost paralyzed after a botched stunt. Many suspect that had something to do with her departure from the show. I probably would peace out after that.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2020, 10:03:59 PM
Well, he has the benefit of a fairly good budget of $20M to do SFX and editing work, and the opinions of the #releasethesnydercut fanbois to navigate what to fix and what to flesh out.

I don't assume there will be any additional footage shot, but $10M sounds like sooooo much to just assemble footage from a movie already shot and then add CG effects to it. Entire movies with heavy CG effects have been shot from scratch for less, and this one has already been filmed.... only needs the CG effects.

I of course will not be queuing up to watch this, but if it's free to stream one day, and nothing better is on, I might give it a watch.

He's having the cast come in for recording audio, so there's that.  Also, CGI is really expensive. Good CGI can cost millions for even a few minutes of it.  GOT season 6 allegedly cost $10M per episode, which was a $4M increase over the previous season. (Season 6 was the one with the actual dragons, right? I never watched it.)  So, if Synder has a $20M budget, I imagine half of that is going to CGI, since I think that movie was CGI heavy already, a couple million for the actors' time, and something leftover for him to take (plus pay whoever else he has working on this).
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2020, 10:09:21 PM
Are rating the reason Ruby Rose jumped ship though?


Link. (https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/batwoman-ruby-rose-exit-1234612077/)
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According to multiple sources, Rose was unhappy with the long hours required of her as the series lead, which led to friction on the set. It was thus decided by her and the network and studio, Warner Bros. Television, that they would part ways.

I read Ruby Rose was almost paralyzed after a botched stunt. Many suspect that had something to do with her departure from the show. I probably would peace out after that.

I don't really buy that it wasn't a factor, but:
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It was speculated that it had something to do with pain associated with an emergency surgery Rose underwent for two herniated discs, but a source familiar with the situation tells Variety that Rose’s decision “had nothing to do with her health or injury.”

Same link.

Personal speculation: There was some backlash with the casting, she got hurt pretty bad, the ratings weren't great, so it's just a perfect storm of "time to leave".
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 21, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
Well if Batwoman isn't moving forward, you can always you know...move to tell a story about Barbara Gordon as Batgirl and people would be happier.  Batwoman looked awful. 

You know I know it won't happen, but I hope they are able to use almost everything filmed and tell a long form movie making it 4 hours would be great...but honestly, they could easily back door this into a series to finish the Synderverse.  The regular episodes would not have as much as a budget, but if they could get the stars to commit and just tell all of the Synder DC Cinematic run in 1 season of television it might be a reason to subscribe to HBO Max. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 22, 2020, 05:17:45 AM
I'm pleased that JL is coming back, but I have rock bottom expectations. I guess I'll be viewing it for the same reason as the crossover Arrowverse shows. The spectacle, not the substance. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be great, but if BvS is any indication then it's just going to be a yawnfest that takes itself far too seriously.

I tell you what though, the Snyder fanboiism on another forum I frequent is nauseating. Seems to be up there with the Nolan fanboys. At least Nolan is a fairly safe bet for quality product. Snyder is as hit and miss as they come. And the predecessor to JL was one of the most disappointing movies I've ever seen but of course they gush over it like it is God's gift to cinema.

I'm very happy for them though. Something they've been crying out for for years is finally coming, but even if (when) it turns out to be trash it's going to be most amusing/nauseating to see them worshiping it.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
Shorty:  I agree, I have low expectations.  Batman vs. Superman isn't great, but it isn't great for 2 reasons.  1) Tonally it is all wrong.  The music, and colors, everything just didn't work for me.  Next, (And really this argument is a double edged blade) We hadn't had Superman be Superman yet.  So the battle over ideology just can't exist yet.  Maybe if there was a couple of montages comparing Batman's crime fighting and life to Superman's that could have worked. 

This idea of mine being a double edged blade is simple, the argument could be made that IF Superman had been Superman for a long time then Batman would trust him, and so the reactionary story works best...and honestly that is pretty fair. 

The Synder Cut to me, will hopefully show a bigger and bolder image and movie...something that has some vision behind the spectacle, now that vision might be a bad vision, but at least it will be there. 
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: that Baby guy on May 22, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
I agree with Spak pretty much entirely.

My perspective on the recut JL, though, is that it's likely to be awful. I thought Man of Steel was okay, but didn't like the portrayal of any of those considered Superman's friends or family.

BvS was just sad. I fell asleep watching the final version of Justice League, but to be fair, I was sick that day and needed rest. I think the Snyder JL will be a joke. If it is, it'll be fun to laugh at and should help all those who for some reason believe Snyder is infallible maybe finally come to grips with how underwhelming his movies have been, and how out of character most of his characters seem.

But, if it's a great movie, at least it'll be a great movie.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
I hope the Ayer cut happens. I had a bad feeling things were going to go south when I heard they were going to do recuts. When It came out I thought it was "alright", but nothing has been as good tonally as The Dark Knight trilogy.
Suicide Squad was such a different movie than a typical Ayer movie. Fury, The Watch and Suicide Squad are not even in the same league.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: oohhboy on June 02, 2020, 02:46:29 PM
Oh boy, here we go...Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.

I think I watched this. Had to double check. John and Zatanna are always top shelf although not her best incarnation. I am right with you on the new 52 or whatever. Just bad.

Harley Quinn has continued to slaughter every sacred cow with ever humorous gusto. Shots fired at Disney via Little Mermaid. I died with the invisible plane. Gordon is new level badass and bat **** insane. Poor Batgirl with no one listening to her. Not a single bad episode yet.

Legends is humming along nicely, ever more embracing the weird and fun with strong character moments.

Supergirl season was all over the place and the finale was a wet fart. Lex is a bastard. SG was constantly on the back foot and ineffective as a reporter. Lena got reduced to this dumb emotional mess, you're better than this girl. Brainy is just dumb, dumb. John was muscle taking SG's job. The new reporter is sort of cool but steals Kara's job. Kara is playing second fiddle to her own show.

I have no dog with the DC movies. Really enjoy the parody cuts. Don't care for Synder although I would take him or anyone imaginable over J 'Dumpster fire' J.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 08, 2020, 06:07:27 PM
The CW found it's next Batwoman!!

(https://i.imgur.com/XysDpHy.png)

discuss. :D
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 08, 2020, 06:33:51 PM
Watch out for the nerd rage!
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: ThePerm on July 08, 2020, 07:28:50 PM
She's gorgeous. I'm interested in see what her costume is going to look like. Here is another picture from her facebook fanpage. (https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/30716089_2116666731683403_6405811054739193856_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=wiHupZIHusAAX8B2Mjk&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ac48e64423154cd42b4994d23e5e3dbd&oe=5F2CDC1E)
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Stratos on July 09, 2020, 11:51:40 AM
I'm more curious how they will write her as the new Batwoman in the show, since it revolved around a totally different actress for a full first season. Are they just going to swap her and not say anything? Or somehow write in a new character that then "takes the mantle" and how can they effectively make that transition without the previous actress there to help with the handoff?
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
It's a new character and I think I read somewhere that Kate Kane (the previous Bat Woman) will be written as having disappeared and that will be part of the story of this season, so it'll be an organic in-universe transition.

Honestly I watched maybe two or three episodes of the first Bat Woman and just couldn't get into it or excited. With the renewed interest in the show I'm looking forward to giving it a second try in season 2, though it's probably got more to do with the style of their storytelling than anything to do with individual characters.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 09, 2020, 03:14:26 PM
Watch out for the nerd rage!

In the BLM Age, in sure it'll be kept at a minimum..... Publicly.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2020, 09:25:20 AM
Looks like The Batman is getting a "Companion" series on HBO Max
https://deadline.com/2020/07/the-batman-companion-tv-series-matt-reeves-terence-winter-hbo-max-multiplatform-universe-gotham-police-department-1202982390/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hopefully this is planned out well since the movie ain't even done yet. Better be some story crossover, and character cameos, even if just from a different perspective.
Title: Re: Hey! DC's got stuff too... (Official Thread for the DCU of Movies and TV)
Post by: nickmitch on July 11, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
I don't understand why WB/DC/AT&T/Media Conglomerate #2 would want to build multiple shared universes out of their DC film properties.  Seems like it'd get confusing.