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Title: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 06:29:52 AM
Whether or not there ends up being a season this year, the Draft is coming up Thursday.


Right now I'm really hoping A.J. Green falls to my Browns at #6, as a legit number one receiver is one of the few real holes in their lineup. Having somebody like that out there gives Robiskie or Massaquoi on the other side a lot more room, and frees up Josh Cribbs to play in the slot, which would be ideal for him. With those receivers and Peyton Hillis at running back, whenever they start playing again should be a breakout season for Colt McCoy.


Anyone else have high hopes going into this?
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2011, 03:55:56 AM
Things are getting really interesting. A judge yesterday ruled in favor of the players, and because of that, as of this morning, there is no lockout. The league has already appealed the decision, and it will be at least a few weeks before they get a ruling from the 8th circuit, but right now the pressing matter is whether the league will convince the judge to issue an injunction preventing the lockout from ending until the next ruling.

From the sounds of it, players will be allowed into the team facilities today, but the teams will most likely not allow them into the workout rooms or meet with the coaches for fear of liability. This is a big win for the players, though, as it gives them more leverage in the negotiations over the new CBA, which is the endgame of all this.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on April 29, 2011, 03:23:21 PM
So does the Falcon's front office think that they really are just one player away from being a dynasty, or do they just enjoy taking it in the rear without any lube?

Overall though, quite an interesting day. I'm delighted that Jordan didn't go to New England (no conflict of interest for me there!), and as someone who lives in the Bay Area I'm amused at the gnashing of teeth in SF at the loss of Peterson and Jones. Also, is it sad that I'm not surprised at how the Bears managed to screw the pooch so publicly?
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 29, 2011, 04:26:56 PM
I don't know what the Falcons front office was thinking, but I love them for it. I was not sold on Julio Jones, and I'd definitely take the 5 picks the Browns got for him instead.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2011, 05:10:37 PM
For Greg

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Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on April 30, 2011, 09:37:44 AM
It's definitely interesting to see just how committed they are to improving their defense. Considering how porous they are on that side of the ball, I guess I can't fault them too much. Of course, they're just as bad on offense, so...

Ah well, no one ever said fixing Buffalo wouldn't take a few years!
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2011, 10:38:18 AM
I'm very happy with the picks the Browns got from the Falcons, and that's without the big one, the 1st round next year. Both Little and Marecic have huge upside and excellent intangibles, and that's exactly the type of player you want to draft. I'm loving year two of Mike Holmgren.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on May 01, 2011, 09:41:33 AM
There definitely seems to be some improvement in Cleveland, that's for sure. And by the same token, Atlanta might soon be in decline; I still can't believe they put all their eggs in one basket...

In more local (for me) news, the Raiders have shockingly regressed from their last draft class, and gone with speed for most of their picks. They got five of the ten fastest 40 times. Al Davis seems to cling to his philosophy that it doesn't matter if a player is any good, as long as he's able to outrun the bottles thrown at him by pissed off fans!
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on July 27, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
Alright, so hopefully now that all that nonsense about splitting a couple of billion is out of the way, I'm once again psyched about football, notwithstanding that the product is probably going to be really crappy this year. 

And while it's only been one day of FA, I'm unsurprised to see that the Bay Area teams are already trending downwards. Whoever thought Alex Smith should get $5 million for one year is either really high, or just desperate to reach the new salary floor. And from the rumblings about Gore, it sounds like some of his teammates are going to try to cash out too... And the Raiders will probably see any FA with an ounce of talent flee the sinking ship.  Looking forward to the new season!
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on July 27, 2011, 04:59:18 PM
The Seahawks have parted ways with Matt Hasselbeck.  His career is more or less done so I'm not upset about it though it will be weird seeing him on a different team.  Last season we made the playoffs on a losing record, due entirely to the technicality that each division winner is included.  Then we had the miracle playoff victory against the Saints that pretty much made the whole season worth watching by itself.  While the NFC West still looks pretty bad, I don't know if we can get in on the "least sucky team" ticket again.  It went down to the last game of the season to beat St. Louis for the division and they have Sam Bradford, who I think is only going to get better.  The Seahawks in comparison don't seem like a clearly better team than last year.  At best, they'll probably do no worse.  Right now I think the Rams are the future of the division.

But even if the Seahawks play like the Suh-hucks I enjoy the NFL so much that it doesn't really matter.  I usually spend all Sunday watching games regardless of the teams involved.  I'm just thrilled the lockout didn't cost us any games.

Though I got to say lol to the Niners keeping Alex Smith.  All last season, all I hear (and observe) is how much this guy sucks and how the fans hate him...  and the 49ers decides to resign him?!
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 27, 2011, 05:43:12 PM
Eagles are pretty solid this year.They signed 8 of their 11 draft picks so there is lots of young blood on the team and there is at least one rookie in each part of the team. They got filled out more of their Wide Receiver position so they have more weapons and can spread the ball around. It isn't just the Jason Avant and  DeSean Jaskson show.

Can we get a title change to the thread?
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 27, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
I'm on my phone right now, I'll change it when I get back to my computer.

My Browns haven't done much so far, but they did release Jake Delhomme, who was terrible last year.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on July 27, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Jake Delhomme's been terrible for the last 30 months. Why you signed him in the first place...

I'd say my team was trying to shoot itself in the foot, but it turns out they're trying to sign Plaxico Burress so that part's covered.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 27, 2011, 08:37:07 PM
They wanted a veteran to mentor Colt McCoy, but it turns out McCoy is already better than Delhomme. I'd imagine he was getting way more money than a backup deserves and they released him to free up cap room to spend on people that don't suck.
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on July 27, 2011, 09:24:19 PM
Though I got to say lol to the Niners keeping Alex Smith.  All last season, all I hear (and observe) is how much this guy sucks and how the fans hate him...  and the 49ers decides to resign him?!

It's been all but set in stone for months now that they'd re-sign him. One of Harbaugh's first acts as head coach was to say that Smith was coming back. And considering how weak the QB market is right now, I can understand why. Plus, it just feeds the "Harbaugh's going to gimp his team this year in order to win the Luck sweepstakes" conspiracy.

So I'm not surprised at the re-signing. I am stunned at the price paid. Would any other team pay Smith more than a million for this year? I somehow doubt it... Of course, the Texans just shoved a two-year, $5.5 million deal at Leinart, so I stand by my earlier "lotta teams desperate to reach the new floor" statement.

And regarding Hasselbeck, I'm amazed the Titans picked him up for three years. That wild-card game was amazing, but it was definitely not the Hasselbeck who's shown up for the past two or three years. I can only assume they're bringing him on as a mentor for Locker, since Collins up and retired. Although as someone who's followed Pac-10 games, I think Locker needs not so much a Hasselbeck as a Mr. Miyagi if he's going to succeed in the NFL. And Hasselbeck certainly will never justify his $7 million/year price tag...

I'd imagine he was getting way more money than a backup deserves and they released him to free up cap room to spend on people that don't suck.

 Like who? The Browns were already sitting on about $20 million in cap space. Unless they're trying to enter the Nnamdi Sweepstakes (lol), I can't see them needing more cap room. In fact, your GM's already declared the Browns aren't going to be major FA players; most of that cash is going to go to their current "young players."
 
Title: Re: Official 2011 (Lack of) NFL Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 27, 2011, 09:48:31 PM
Well then I have no idea. Still, I have no problem with them cutting Delhomme. He started the Browns game I went to last year and he was almost single-handedly responsible for them losing.

Though if they've got that kind of cap room, they might as well go out and sign some free agents. They have to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year, and if they're going to stand a chance in that division they need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
I'm actually more excited about this year because players should be more rested but less trained.  Should make for some interesting moments.  Plus on average all the players are getting paid more and there is less disparity from what I heard.

I'm not to surprised about Hasselbeck.  I'm just still disappointed that the Titans didn't go outside of there organization for a new Head coach.  Fisher had his moments but that whole team needed fresh coaching perspective.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2011, 11:51:25 AM
The first few games should be interesting for the blooper reels because the players are gonna be extremely rusty after 5+ months of no practice or training. The rookies will be even worse than normal. As for salary, most players should be getting paid less, not more. Athletes in general are over-paid (the NBA is worse than the NFL though).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
The first few games should be interesting for the blooper reels because the players are gonna be extremely rusty after 5+ months of no practice or training. The rookies will be even worse than normal. As for salary, most players should be getting paid less, not more. Athletes in general are over-paid (the NBA is worse than the NFL though).
From what I heard the players making the most will get a pay decrease but, the player making the equivalent of Minimum Wage for the NFL will get a boost.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on July 28, 2011, 01:07:29 PM
From what I heard the players making the most will get a pay decrease but, the player making the equivalent of Minimum Wage for the NFL will get a boost.

Long-term maybe, but in the short run it just seems like a handful of players are getting paid faaaaar more than they're worth. I think it'll even out in the long run though, and it makes me happy that first-round draftees will no longer get more money than most proven veterans.

On a different note, I was initially impressed by the activity level the Panthers are showing, but then I realized they're mostly just bringing back their own players and acquiring merely-decent free agents. The definition of insanity... Meanwhile, Washington continues to overpay for has-beens, and all is right with the world...

On an unrelated note, insanolord will be "pleased" to note that the Browns are the only team who haven't bothered to pick up anyone yet. Not even their own FAs. But the only guy they've lost so far is Trusnik.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on July 28, 2011, 02:08:57 PM
So the Cardinals picked up Kevin Kolb.  If Kolb is any good that could put Arizona ahead of the rest of the NFC West.  This is a team that made it to the Superbowl a few years ago and only seemed to turn to crap entirely because their quarterback retired.  They have Larry Fitzgerald who is one of the best wide receivers in the league.  The reason he didn't put up big stats last year was because, you know, a receiver needs someone to throw him the ball and the Cards sure didn't have one.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Seahawks finished third in their division (ahead of the lol Alex Smiths of course).

Regarding player salaries, I think professional athletics deserve to be millionaires because they are the draw.  The big leagues thrive because people want to see the best players of the sport.  Without those players the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL have nothing to offer.  These are multi-million dollar businesses and the players deserve a fair sized piece of that pie.  What I don't like is when individual players are overpaid.  I don't like it when rookies who haven't played a game yet get huge contracts and fail to meet expectations.  I don't like it when mid-level players get a big contract from a desperate or stupid team.  I don't like it when superstars clearly half-ass it and have a bad attitude once they've got the money.  And what I REALLY hate are the assholes in every sport that have breakout seasons the year their contract expires, sign for big money based on that one year, and then half-ass it again until the last year of that contract.  You're damn lucky to be so talented at a sport that you can become rich playing it for a living.  Hard work is also involved but no one gets there on hard work alone, you need some natural talent and favourable genetics as well.  If you're going to be so lucky then you better act like a professional - work hard, do your best, maintain a good working relationship with your teammates and the coaching staff, be considerate to the fans, and don't act like a fucking asshole.  Of course what percentage of professional athletes follow that?  Maybe 25%?

Though odds are you know someone who makes more money than you do and you don't feel they really deserve it.  That's a part of life, even if it doesn't seem fair.  So no matter what, there are going to be overpaid athletes.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on July 28, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
Ochocinco and Haynesworth both heading to the Pats. And the Pats fans I knew were complaining yesterday about how boring free agency had been...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on July 28, 2011, 06:31:33 PM
Well, after getting rid of Moss I guess the Pats had an opening at douche.

Still, that's gonna be some tough competition.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Morari on July 28, 2011, 06:39:28 PM
So no matter what, there are going to be overpaid athletes.

Yeah, like all of them.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2011, 06:49:52 PM
To be fair, not all. The TOP player in the National Lacrosse League (the top level indoor lacrosse league) is only $25K a year, the average is $14K. So most lacrosse players either also compete in Major League Lacrosse (which is outdoor lacrosse) or have non-sports jobs as well.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 28, 2011, 08:24:54 PM
It really depends on how you define overpaid. Going by the economic rule that the right price is where supply and demand meet, football, hockey, and basketball players, or at least some of them, are actually underpaid, as the salary cap acts as a price ceiling.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2011, 07:04:34 AM
To be fair, not all. The TOP player in the National Lacrosse League (the top level indoor lacrosse league) is only $25K a year, the average is $14K. So most lacrosse players either also compete in Major League Lacrosse (which is outdoor lacrosse) or have non-sports jobs as well.
Alright, how can you even call yourself a Sports league at that price.  I feel that Professional Athletes should at least make a Middle Class wage so $50-70k.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on July 29, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
No one gives a **** about lacrosse, lots of people give a **** about football, basketball, hockey, baseball, tennis, golf, auto racing, mixed martial arts and, everywhere else in the world except the US and Canada, soccer.  This isn't hard to understand.  The sport attracts a big audience and makes millions of dollars so the athletes make millions of dollars.  It isn't like some arbitrary rule, it is based on public interest in the sport and the money it attracts.

And this isn't something that's hard to measure like musical or acting talent.  Sports are simple win-or-lose games and the stats are pretty cut and dry.  The winners and the guys who put up big stats are the ones who make careers out of it.  Some of them are overvalued by lousy general managers but more than pretty much any business there is a clear incentive to have the truly best people at their job working for you.  These are very public businesses.  Because it is a very direct competition everyone knows which teams are being run well and which ones are not.  You do what some big corporations do where they hire through nepotism or have an old boys club and your team sucks and the fans know your team sucks and stop supporting you.  The best guitar player in the world might be stuck playing small clubs because he doesn't have the connections to get a major label deal or the money to promote his music to a wide audience.  The best football player in the world sure as hell is not struggling to make a living unless he is a total idiot.  If you have talent, you try out for you high school team, make it, go to college and play on that team and then get drafted by the NFL.  Yeah there are probably mid-level NFL talent guys who fall through the cracks but the absolute best of the best?  No way.  There are scouts with their eyes open at every level and if you truly stand out they WANT you on their team.  Plus it's an industry where playing office politics to get a raise is less important.  You can be the most socially awkward weirdo who gets along with nobody but if you lead the league in touchdowns that year, you've got job security.  The measurement of ability is so public that you can't get passed over because you aren't buddies with the boss.  Yeah as a coach that happens, but not as a player.

It's a multi-million dollar industry, the people most responsible for attracting customers are paid very well and, unlike most jobs, it is very easy to determine who is good at their job and who isn't.  It's not going to work perfectly but it works a whole **** load better than most jobs.

And just because you don't care about sports, doesn't make the athletes overpaid.  You can argue that sports don't deserve to be so popular but they are and within that it doesn't make sense to argue that people that attract millions of dollars in business don't deserve millions in salary.  I don't think Lady Gaga deserves to be as successful as she is in terms of musical merit BUT she is not overpaid because there is a large audience that wants to buy her albums and go to her concerts, even if I don't personally understand the appeal.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on July 29, 2011, 09:30:38 AM
To be fair, not all. The TOP player in the National Lacrosse League (the top level indoor lacrosse league) is only $25K a year, the average is $14K. So most lacrosse players either also compete in Major League Lacrosse (which is outdoor lacrosse) or have non-sports jobs as well.
Alright, how can you even call yourself a Sports league at that price.  I feel that Professional Athletes should at least make a Middle Class wage so $50-70k.

I can understand the sentiment, and for what it's worth I do think many athletes are overpaid, but you'd have to be a complete fool to take only $70k/year in exchange for becoming mincemeat by age 30. Remember that in football, there are few retired players who don't have some serious health issues. I wouldn't take a measly $100k/year for three years (the average player's lifespan in the NFL) in exchange for the serious possibility of being unable to lift my arms over my head after I hit 30.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2011, 10:22:10 AM
To be fair, not all. The TOP player in the National Lacrosse League (the top level indoor lacrosse league) is only $25K a year, the average is $14K. So most lacrosse players either also compete in Major League Lacrosse (which is outdoor lacrosse) or have non-sports jobs as well.
Alright, how can you even call yourself a Sports league at that price.  I feel that Professional Athletes should at least make a Middle Class wage so $50-70k.

I can understand the sentiment, and for what it's worth I do think many athletes are overpaid, but you'd have to be a complete fool to take only $70k/year in exchange for becoming mincemeat by age 30. Remember that in football, there are few retired players who don't have some serious health issues. I wouldn't take a measly $100k/year for three years (the average player's lifespan in the NFL) in exchange for the serious possibility of being unable to lift my arms over my head after I hit 30.
Agreed.

Here's a quick blurb on the new Minimums   (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/25/2293151/the-minimum-salaries-for-nfl-players-have-increased-by-55000-across)

My statement was in regards to the Lacrosse league.  Personally I have to know I be set for life after my athletic career to do a sport like Football, Boxing, etc.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 01, 2011, 12:50:27 PM
Eventful weekend in the NFL. Philly now has two of the biggest Cal-alums playing for them, and I've always found their playstyle entertaining to watch, but Philly fans are still making it impossible for me to root for the team...

I am surprised to hear that Moss is retiring, since I was confident somebody was willing to give him another go. I feel as conflicted about him now as I did a decade ago: he belongs in the Hall of Fame, no question, but his personality makes it so hard to be happy about it. Still, his antics always did make things entertaining: I really hope that exchange with Brady actually took place, because it sounded awesome...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 12, 2011, 11:09:05 AM
noname what do you mean by Eagles fans are making it had to root for the team? Maybe I missed something.

Well the Eagles first preseason game is done and the team was fairly solid in their win. They added Vince Young as the second QB behind Vick. They also added Steve Smith that was with the Giants until recently. So far the team is looking nice as far as options go. I know it is just the preseason but things are looking up.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 12, 2011, 11:35:27 AM
I grew up near Philly. I know exactly what noname means.

I went to a Packers-Eagles preseason game at the Vet in the early '00s. I was something like 13-14. I went with my dad.  I've never seen fans be such assholes to Packers fans during the fourth quarter of a preseason when the players on the field likely wouldn't make either team. New York fans (despite me being a Yankee fan) are just as bad, but at least New York fans don't have "little brother" city syndrome like Philly does.

Anyway, Go Pack Go.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
Philly has the worst fans. Those guys are as rude as you can get.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2011, 12:11:08 PM
As a die-hard Flyers fan, I'm going to take the high road and say maybe the reason you don't like Philly fans is because your teams suck.  :P
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2011, 12:29:35 PM
My team has a Superbowl win. How many Superbowls have the Eagles won? Zero? Ok.

But seriously, I have a friend from Philly who confirms this.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: ShyGuy on August 13, 2011, 12:36:29 PM
I get the impression that Philly is a hell hole.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2011, 12:41:23 PM
City of Brotherly HATE
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
I was a little surprised when my Bills traded Lee Evans. I know he had a less than impressive season last year and they have plenty of other good wide receivers, but he had been a staple of the team for years.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2011, 12:55:20 PM
They had a lot of depth at the position, and Evans wasn't even their top threat anymore after the breakout season of Steve Johnson. They also have a lot of holes in other positions, so it made sense to move him.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
I know it's only the preseason and it doesn't actually mean anything, but at the half of the Browns-Packers game Colt McCoy is 9 for 10, with 135 yards and a TD. Really, the completion percentage is what excites me the most, and it's really impressive even if a lot of it came off a second-team defense.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2011, 04:26:23 PM
noname what do you mean by Eagles fans are making it had to root for the team? Maybe I missed something.


No offense was intended. But something about the fandom in general rubs me wrong. Kind of like the Raiders do. The latter is particularly hard on me, since most of my family members are Raiders fans.  :-\ And since the remaining ones tend to be Niners fans, this Saturday's game is going to be interesting.

Or it would be, if we weren't all going to a wedding. Marriage. Boooo.

Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 29, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
So I haven't been around in years past, but do you guys do a Prediction League here? If not, is there any interest in getting one started? It's a fun way to win some easy bragging rights/public humiliation!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 29, 2011, 06:51:14 PM
I don't think we have done that before noname. I guess the closest would be who would win. I think what you are talking about is predicting the score and what are the stats of peticular players each game.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 29, 2011, 09:29:05 PM
This may be a little late, but if people would be interested in an NWR Fantasy Football league I'd be happy to set one up. I think it would be a fun way to encourage football discussion here and to get everyone involved.

If you might want to participate, say something here so I can gauge interest. If enough people say something I'll set something up in the next week.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on August 30, 2011, 06:29:29 AM
Twitter Post promised me a Fantasy Football League.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 30, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
I don't think we have done that before noname. I guess the closest would be who would win. I think what you are talking about is predicting the score and what are the stats of peticular players each game.

I was thinking of something closer to "predict the winner."  Essentially, each week before the games begin I will put up a table/chart of the week's games. Each participant would select a winner for every game; I will keep track of everyone's wins and losses in a spreadsheet.

Each week will have its own winner (i.e. whoever had the most wins that week), and at the end of the year there will also be a season victor (i.e. whoever had the most wins throughout the season).

In order to break any ties, each player will submit not just who they think will win the Monday Night game, but also the final score for that game. Basically, the tie-breaker must not only correctly guess that night's winner, but also the total score for that night.*

It sounds more complicated than it really is, but ultimately I think it'd be a fun way for us to have some more football talk/trash talking/ bragging rights and awareness of games we normally wouldn't care about, but all without having to put too much energy into it. Basically show up by Saturday (or Wednesday, on select weeks), look at a list, make a few guesses, and play along.



*E.g. Players 1 and 2 are tied going into Monday. Player 1 predicts Team A will win, final score 21-14. Player 2 predicts Team A will win, final score 20-10. Team A ends up winning, final score 24-10. Player 1 wins the tie-breaker, because he not only guessed that Team A would win, but his total predicted score (35, i.e. 21+14) is closer to the actual total score for that night (34, i.e. 24+10).

This may be a little late, but if people would be interested in an NWR Fantasy Football league I'd be happy to set one up. I think it would be a fun way to encourage football discussion here and to get everyone involved.

If you might want to participate, say something here so I can gauge interest. If enough people say something I'll set something up in the next week.

 Fantasy Football has always been a little too involved for me, to be honest. I prefer to live that life vicariously through my friend and family members. But if everyone else wants to do Fantasy Football instead, I'd be willing to tag along.
 
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 30, 2011, 11:23:15 AM
We could do a site pick'em (pick the games. whoever gets the most right throughout the whole year wins).

I'd be willing to throw in a prize or something, too. Maybe a game or a mythical RFN t-shirt.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2011, 11:25:11 AM
I never win these things, but I would be interested in participating.
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Post by: Ceric on August 30, 2011, 11:32:09 AM
...a mythical RFN t-shirt.
I can see when there printed the site puts up a story.

THE Mythical RFN Shirts Have Arrived.  First X Customer get a PGC DVD with Purchase.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 30, 2011, 03:25:48 PM
Would we be picking straight up or against the spread?
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Post by: Stogi on August 30, 2011, 06:13:18 PM
I'd be interested in a league or pick the winner type of situation.
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Post by: noname2200 on August 31, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
Would we be picking straight up or against the spread?

Straight-up, I think, since we won't be placing any monetary bets.

In any case, it seems like folks are interested, so tomorrow I'll put up the first week's chart, so we'll have a week to ponder our choices before Thursday's opening game. Ahhhh, football season... ;D
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Post by: NWR_Neal on August 31, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
Why don't we just use CBS or ESPN? They do free pick'em leagues there...
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Post by: noname2200 on August 31, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
Why don't we just use CBS or ESPN? They do free pick'em leagues there...

I didn't know that. Sounds like a plan! Do we all have to create accounts there, or...?
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Post by: NWR_Neal on August 31, 2011, 12:08:37 PM
Yes, but it's free.

I'll set one up on CBS Sports and you guys can all PM me your e-mail address if you're interested. Sound good?

I can't promise what the prize will be, but the winner (and possibly second and third place) will get something good, such as a game, a poster, or something. I might part with my signed Tatsunoko vs. Capcom poster or the signed Scribblenauts poster for this.

If I wanted to be a super douche, I could also give away a signed copy of Madden 11 with the NWR quote on the back. :)
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Post by: NWR_Neal on August 31, 2011, 12:13:23 PM
FYI, staff can't win prizes, but we can get bragging rights.


EDIT:


Also, no need to PM


http://nwrf.football.cbssports.com/e

password is starfox
I think that's all you need to get in...
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Post by: Shaymin on August 31, 2011, 06:24:41 PM
I went .610 last year (163 - 104). I like my chances based on my ever-complicated picking methods of throwing a dart at the wall.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 31, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
I pick it based on which team has more players with the letter "P" in their name, doesn't work out too well.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on September 01, 2011, 08:04:56 AM
Join, all you crazy NFL and NWR fans!
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Post by: noname2200 on September 02, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
I'm all signed up and ready to go. I guess you can't make your selections yet, or at least you couldn't as of Wednesday.

Just a heads-up, I'm going to be posting my picks on this forum too, for easier visibility/added discussion. I encourage the rest of you to do likewise (we might snag some extra people as the season goes on, too). And I'm REALLY looking forward to Thursday's game: go Pack! Of course, the week ends on a low note with Oakland/Denver, but you can't win them all...

Anyway, I'm curious to hear if folks here have some power rankings in mind. I haven't had time to rank each team individually, but in general I'm thinking the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. GB/NE/PIT/NO/BAL are my top five, probably in that order,  although the Ravens are wobblers. Philly remains my favorite dark horse for the umpteenth straight year.

I'm actually down on Indy this year, for once, but the Lions are starting to scare me; will any other NFC North team keep its starting QB for the rest of the season? SD, ATL and the Jets should all once again be great this year, although I don't think they're top tier. Although the Falcons broke the bank over the offseason, so it's now or never for them...

The two Bay Area teams once again look like bottom feeders, with both of them seeming to enter the Suck for Luck campaign with a vengeance. Man I hope they get blacked out at each home game. Poor Minnesota may be the worst in the league, though, with Seattle being close due to their crappy QBs. I'm actually curious to see if the other NFC West teams have actually improved over the offseason, though, or if we're going to have another 7-9 playoff team this year. Mmmm, Western mediocrity...

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Post by: Shaymin on September 03, 2011, 06:16:10 AM
Picks are live now. I guess they were waiting for the interminably long preseason to end.

My picks for week 1:
Green Bay, Atlanta, Cleveland, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Houston, Arizona, San Diego, Seattle, Jersey/A (Giants), Jersey/B (Jets), New England, Oakland and 48 for the tiebreaker.

Also, I'm sensing a theme on the league homepage. Not that I can complain... I mean, we gave 'em the friggin' game last year.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 03, 2011, 09:15:34 AM
Quick question. Can you change you picks after you submit them?
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on September 04, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
I'm game!
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Post by: noname2200 on September 05, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
I'm going with Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Cleveland, Houston (hey, why not? They always start hot...), Jacksonville, Kansas City, Philladelphia (this would have been a more fun shootout if Nnamdi hadn't joined the Eagles, but now Bradford's options are going to be limited), Detroit, Arizona, San Diego, San Francisco (hah!), NYG,  NYJ, and New England.

Monday's tie-breaker should go to Denver, final score 21-10.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 05, 2011, 10:03:20 AM
Quick question. Can you change you picks after you submit them?

Looks like you can, although I imagine there's a time limit attached.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on September 05, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
I have it set so you can change them up to an hour before the week's games.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on September 08, 2011, 04:08:11 PM
My picks are: Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Arizona, San Diego, San Francisco, both New Yorks, New England, and Denver.


Total points in Monday Night Football: 38
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on September 08, 2011, 10:41:42 PM
How about them Packers?


More importantly, Randall Cobb's barrel roll?
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Post by: Ceric on September 09, 2011, 07:18:04 AM
I wish they would have let me pick last week.  I totally forgot there was a game last night.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 09, 2011, 01:51:37 PM
Now THAT was a hell of a game! And yeah, Cobb clearly went to the Peppy School of Kick Returns.

Judging from the picks posted so far, it seems like the week's champion is mostly going to come down to the SF/SEA game, and/or the score for Monday...

In any case, I'm still delighted with last night's game. Wish they could all be as entertaining!
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Post by: Ceric on September 12, 2011, 08:19:19 AM
Oh wow, I missed all the games this weekend and just checked my pick list...   I'm going to need to be rock solid to even have a chance now...
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 12, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
My wife is a Pittsburgh fan...I am not. I laughed a little bit yesterday as they got completely dominated by the Ravens. The thing about this season is basically you can't judge any of the teams by their previous season, except maybe someone like the Patriots.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 12, 2011, 09:50:16 AM
Hmm I got 6 right out of the 14 games thus far this week.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 14, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
Congrats to Neal for taking the week. Personally, I'm surprised that I squeaked into the double-digits...too bad that won't even get me the bronze. :( I was stunned by how crappy the Chiefs truly are (I thought they'd be worse than last year, but not that bad!), and the Falcons and Browns dropping their games were an unpleasant surprise. Insanolord, I'm calling you out: explain your team's performance! :P
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Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
I think I'll do better this week but, I really need the Titans to play well.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 14, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
I think I'll do better this week but, I really need the Titans to play well.

Ooh, tall order there! Are you a Titans fan, or are they just your wild card for the week?
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Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 01:28:40 PM
I live in Nashville.  Was a fan when the franchise moved and for several years afterwards but, I drifted off.  Stat wise comparing the two I think they have a chance but, realistically probably not.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
Insanolord, I'm calling you out: explain your team's performance! :P

They played pretty well for most of the game, but they opened up and especially finished poorly. McCoy looked good the whole game, as did Haden. The running game didn't play that well; maybe the Madden curse is kicking in for Hillis, or maybe it's because the right side of our O-line isn't very good, and our pretty good left guard is out for the year with a rookie taking his slot. Joe Thomas may be the best left tackle in the league, but that doesn't mean much if the rest of the line isn't up to snuff. One of their biggest problems was stupid penalties, which they got way too many of. At one point they got an unsportsmanlike conduct on a guy on the bench for knocking over an official.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 16, 2011, 08:18:07 AM
Insanolord, I'm calling you out: explain your team's performance! :P:

They played pretty well for most of the game, but they opened up and especially finished poorly. McCoy looked good the whole game, as did Haden. The running game didn't play that well; maybe the Madden curse is kicking in for Hillis, or maybe it's because the right side of our O-line isn't very good, and our pretty good left guard is out for the year with a rookie taking his slot. Joe Thomas may be the best left tackle in the league, but that doesn't mean much if the rest of the line isn't up to snuff. One of their biggest problems was stupid penalties, which they got way too many of. At one point they got an unsportsmanlike conduct on a guy on the bench for knocking over an official.

I see. So do you think the problem will be fixed in time for this week's game? I've got them trumping the Manning-less Colts, but I'll admit that their loss makes me feel less comfortable with that than I'd like...

Speaking of picks, I'm going

SEA @ PIT
 OAK @ BUF
 ARI @ WAS
 TB @ MIN
 JAC @ NYJ
 CHI @ NO
 CLE @ IND
 KC @ DET
 BAL @ TEN
 GB @ CAR
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 DAL @ SF
 CIN @ DEN
 HOU @ MIA
 SD @ NE
 ----------
 PHI @ ATL

STL to win Monday, total score 41. The only games I'm not confident on are the CLE/IND, WAS/ARI, and STL/NYG.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on September 16, 2011, 01:41:05 PM
My picks for Week 2 are: Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, Minnesota, Chicago, New York, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington, Dallas, Denver, Houston, New England, Philadelphia, and New York. I say 41 total points in Monday's game.


Going with some clear favorites (New England), a few upsets (Chicago), and some borderline hopefuls (Cleveland).
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Post by: Ceric on September 16, 2011, 02:14:01 PM
NYJ, ARI, CHI, MIN, GB, BUF, TEN, CLE, DET, PIT, DAL, HOU, NE, DEN, PHI, and NYG.  34 Points
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 16, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
I think the Browns will bounce back. They're better than they played on Sunday, and Indianapolis looked awful. Everyone picking them is making me nervous, though.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 16, 2011, 07:25:41 PM
Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Jersey/B, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Arizona, Dallas, Cincinnati, Houston, New England, Philadelphia, and Jersey/A (45).

Hopefully I won't need a miracle field goal (63 yards? I know it was in Denver, but still....) to be .500 for the week.
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Post by: Ceric on September 19, 2011, 05:32:35 AM
I honestly thought that Chicago was going to beat New Orleans but, boo-yah Tennesse win.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 20, 2011, 08:04:26 AM
I honestly thought that Chicago was going to beat New Orleans but, boo-yah Tennesse win.

Were you the one who picked the Titans? Well done: you might have been the only person in the country who called that one!

In other news, Neal has repeated as the week's champion, so congrats on that. Everyone who got their picks in did pretty great, though: it's hard to be proud of missing only three when no one missed more than four! I hope the two people who forgot to log on this weekend come back, though.
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Post by: Ceric on September 20, 2011, 08:26:45 AM
I think so far this pool has proven that the NWR Staff is better at picking teams then us Forummers...
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Post by: noname2200 on September 20, 2011, 08:37:25 AM
Nonsense: I'm beating insanolord by, like, one entire point! >_>

(Note to self: joining NWR staff may aid in luck with bookies)
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Post by: Ceric on September 20, 2011, 08:44:50 AM
Nonsense: I'm beating insanolord by, like, one entire point! >_>

(Note to self: joining NWR staff may aid in luck with bookies)
Not help but become.  NWR is really a front.  Who would want to talk about Nintendo? ;)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 20, 2011, 08:32:56 PM
This week is going to be hard for the Eagles since Vick is hurt. Looks like I am in the middle of the pack so far.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 21, 2011, 01:25:45 PM
Nonsense: I'm beating insanolord by, like, one entire point! >_>

(Note to self: joining NWR staff may aid in luck with bookies)
Not help but become.  NWR is really a front.  Who would want to talk about Nintendo? ;)

(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/3/128701787383270057.jpg)

This week is going to be hard for the Eagles since Vick is hurt.

 The Eagles without Vick are definitely less than they could be (and I blame his injury for my losing the week!), but props to Kafka for stepping up like he did. Considering you're playing the Giants at Philly, I think the drop at QB isn't going to be near enough to stop you from winning.
 
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 21, 2011, 07:35:31 PM
I swear most years there is an injury to the Eagles QB. Thankfully we have good back ups in the position.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 22, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Hmm it seems that Vick can play this week versus the Giants. I'm pretty confident about the game now.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 22, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
And the last of my minor concerns for that game vanish. Which is why the Eagles will now lose, 28-10. :-/

Speaking of picks! There's still plenty of time, but only three folks have submitted them as of now: don't forget to put in your choices everyone. Neal must fall!!!

JAC @ CAR
DET @ MIN
SF @ CIN
MIA @ CLE
NE @ BUF
NYG @ PHI
DEN @ TEN
HOU @ NO
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NYJ @ OAK
BAL @ STL
KC @ SD
ATL @ TB
ARI @ SEA
GB @ CHI
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PIT @ IND

Monday game is Dallas over Washington, 21-20. Lots of games I'm ambivalent about this week, and I doubt we'll be averaging 13-correct this time around. Also, lame Sunday Night game; when does NBC get to start choosing that game? November, correct?
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Post by: Shaymin on September 22, 2011, 07:35:55 PM
Correct, November. Though to be fair, NBC called that game before Peyton went down and the Colts entered the "Suck For Luck" championships.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 26, 2011, 07:36:08 AM
What...what happened...?
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Post by: Ceric on September 26, 2011, 07:53:03 AM
I knew I should have picked the Bills.  I thought I had till I went and looked at my picks today.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 26, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
Kerry Collins is horse ****. Painter isn't all that great, but he should have been playing the entire game...and season. The Colts' defense was pretty amazing last night, but unfortunately, their offense was basically garbage.
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Post by: Stogi on September 26, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
How about Darren McFadden yesterday? That guy had one of best stat line's i've ever seen for a RB.

Also, the Bills are the ****! What an amazing game! **** the Pats!

The Texan's Saint's game was pretty amazing as well. Lots of crazy plays, but man...Drew Brees...if he knows how to do anything, it's to win.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 26, 2011, 03:50:35 PM
How about Darren McFadden yesterday? That guy had one of best stat line's i've ever seen for a RB.

Also, the Bills are the ****! What an amazing game!

I admit, I'm starting to Bill-ieve I'm so sorry...

If they were to start showing up for both halves, they'd be the most terrifying team in the AFC right now.
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Post by: Stogi on September 26, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
The Eagles should be the most terrifying team, but they just can't seem to get their team together. If they don't do something drastic, they are going to fall apart.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 26, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
Buffalo and Detroit are the only unbeaten teams.

The NFC East is upside down from everyone's prediction.

My picks for this week were an exact mirror of Neal's.

THE **** IS GOING ON HERE?
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Post by: nickmitch on September 26, 2011, 05:07:24 PM
The Eagles should be the most terrifying team, but they just can't seem to get their team together. If they don't do something drastic, they are going to fall apart.

Mike Vick needs to not get hit every time he throws the ball. The team's weakness is in the offensive line. He's nervous in the pocket and makes bad decisions because of it. Cutler has a similar problem only he's actually getting sacked and is also a worse QB.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 26, 2011, 07:46:54 PM
Colt McCoy didn't look too great for most of that game, but I got really excited for the team's future watching him drive them down the field 80 yards for the game-winning touchdown at the end.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 27, 2011, 09:16:08 AM
We have a new champion for the week: congrats to Daniel! That Seattle victory put you over the top: what made you think they'd win?

Anyhow, it was generally an exciting week with tons of surprises, although many of the close games were less fun to watch than the results would indicate. I'm glad I'm enough of an alchie to hit up a sports bar at 10 AM, because having only the Niners game on TV is my personal idea of hell.

Regarding the surprises, I'm still pretty comfortable thinking that most of the major upsets are one-offs, although I agree with nickmitch that the Eagles are going to continue being in trouble if they don't fix their O-Line quickly. Luckily, that's the type of thing you can address with scheming. Unluckily, most of those schemes require you to sacrifice speed and flexibility...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 27, 2011, 09:59:57 AM
Wow I actually won a week. About the Seahawk vote I would like to say that it was some strategic edge I saw over the Cardnials but I gotta say I was just going with one of my favorite teams. Seahawks and the Eagles are my 2 main teams. I probably should have went with the Giants over the Eagles this past week since the Vick injury but I went with the Eagles anyway.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
As a Bills fan, I am so happy right now. First place in the AFC East at 3-0, beat the Patriots for the first time in 8 years, and they look very good as a team right now (and leading the league in points scored at 113, second place are the Patriots and Saints at 104).

BTW Shaymin, the Packers are also undefeated still too.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 02, 2011, 08:58:57 AM
*whew* 

Super-busy week means I literally had no time to get my picks in until five minutes ago, just missing the cutoff. In any case, good luck to everyone, and let's hope for some good football!

About the Seahawk vote I would like to say that it was some strategic edge I saw over the Cardnials but I gotta say I was just going with one of my favorite teams. Seahawks and the Eagles are my 2 main teams. I probably should have went with the Giants over the Eagles this past week since the Vick injury but I went with the Eagles anyway.

Nothing wrong with playing your favorites: it paid off with the Seahawks, and I at least thought that the Eagles would win the Giants game. I'm curious though, how'd you come to be a fan of the Seahawks? Is it the bird theme? Be honest! :P
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 02, 2011, 09:07:05 AM
Well it mainly comes from the fact that the team is up in Washington state. As everyone knows NOA is up there. Also I was a fan of Matt Halselbeck when he was up there. It just kinda stuck. With Baseball one of my teams is the Mariners.
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Post by: Ceric on October 02, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
I made a concerted effort to watch the games that were airing on TV.  I don't have a VHF antenna at the moment so I can't get CBS and Fox decided too air Soccer...
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Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2011, 04:26:15 AM
Woohooo.  I am the official Point leader for last week.  I should have went with my gut on Kansas City but I remembered how hard they let me down the first week.  Oh well.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 05, 2011, 08:01:21 AM
Woohooo.  I am the official Point leader for last week.  I should have went with my gut on Kansas City but I remembered how hard they let me down the first week.  Oh well.

Congrats! Although you could also say that you were (once again) smart to pick the Titans when most of us dismissed them. This is also the second straight week where a non-staff member won it, which is super-impressive because we totally don't outnumber them or anything.  ;)
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on October 05, 2011, 08:05:14 AM
Wow. I was tied for first this week. I chuckled at the fact that I was the only guy who picked the Chiefs.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 05, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
Wow. I was tied for first this week. I chuckled at the fact that I was the only guy who picked the Chiefs.

If you had, you'd not only have won the week, you'd be alone in the lead for the year as well, rather than the four-way tie we've got going on.

So why the lack of faith in the Vikings and, now that the Chiefs are off their schedule, do you think they'll win a game this season?
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Post by: Shaymin on October 08, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
Well, I'm betting on KC this week, so...

Buffalo, Kansas City, Arizona, Jersey/A, Tennessee, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Oakland, San Francisco, San Diego, New England, Green Bay and Detroit (63).

I'd normally pick Houston, but with Al Davis passing today... Oakland's gonna JUST WIN, BABY. (God, I feel dirty saying that).
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Post by: noname2200 on October 09, 2011, 08:54:34 AM
Your "faith" in the West warms my heart (and boggles my mind! :P).

Lots of tough picks this week, and some of the CBS odds kind of surprise me. Maxi and I will probably be the only ones still voting for Phillidelphia. I'm rolling the dice on Tennessee, Jacksonville (...) and Indy, hoping that Minnesotta finally gets over the hump, going with Tampa (still somehow not sold on SF), and sticking with the obvious favorites on all the rest.

Fun fact: the Panthers games may be the toughest games left on New Orleans' schedule!
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Post by: nickmitch on October 09, 2011, 10:24:32 AM
Well, the Titans have been pretty good so far, but the Falcons are always the toughest on the Saints schedule.
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Post by: Ceric on October 10, 2011, 04:53:49 AM
What about that Seattle win hey?  I'm going to have to find the Highlights on that one.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2011, 07:47:49 AM
I assume that's sarcasm.

I wouldn't say the Titans have been pretty good, especially given their performance yesterday (although that was probably the best executed onside kick in a long time...but then again, Pittsburgh's fake punt was probably the best executed in a long time too).

The Colts disappointed me once again, but it shows that they should have been playing Painter all along, at least you can always count on the Pats...unless they play the Bills.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 10, 2011, 11:40:01 AM
Yikes, didn't see that Titans game yesterday. At this rate, the toughest team left on the schedule might be the Lions.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 11, 2011, 12:26:01 PM
I rolled the dice, and got snake-eyes. I don't even want to look at the results for the weekend...
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Post by: Stogi on October 11, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
I'm not playing but here are my picks for next week

Carolina (should be a CLOSE GAME
Pittsburgh
Washington (should be a GREAT GAME)
Green Bay
Buffalo (should be a GREAT GAME)
Detroit (should be a CLOSE GAME)
Cincinnati
Oakland
Baltimore (should be a CLOSE GAME)
New Orleans (should be a GREAT GAME)
New England (should be a CLOSE GAME)
Chicago
New York Jets
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 11, 2011, 12:52:05 PM
All of next week looks pretty clear cut.  No one jumps out at me as an upset.  Which has me worried.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 11, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
All of next week looks pretty clear cut.  No one jumps out at me as an upset.  Which has me worried.

"Jaguars set new NFL record, win by 100 points."
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Post by: Stogi on October 11, 2011, 01:06:30 PM
Maybe Crimm....But like I said, there are a couple close games.

Atlanta is playing at home and could beat Cam Newton (even though he is a baller). After all, Chicago did it.

As for Detroit vs. San Fran, San Fran played a spectacular game the past two weeks and are red hot. Johnson is the best receiver to grace the NFL, but Stanford was looking a bit shaky against Chicago despite Peppers being out most the game. I expect San Fran to bring the heat, since Chicago couldn't.

New England vs. Dallas should be difficult for the Pats, but they should win. However, lots of things could go wrong. Brady has been throwing a lot of interceptions these past 5 games. I expect that to bite him in the ass.

Texans have been playing well, but despite that fact, they seem to lose. Baltimore hasn't been playing great, but their defense has. Defense always trumps offense in my mind. That's the only reason why I'm picking them.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 17, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
Well, so much for safe bets. :/ Even most of the games I won were close...
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Post by: Stogi on October 17, 2011, 10:17:54 PM
It's funny. Even though I proclaimed Detroit to win, I took a couple "Drink bets" (you have to buy me my next drink at the bar) while watching it with a couple of friends.

I can't lie. I thought I was pretty much fucked, but some how they pulled out the win.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2011, 05:31:14 AM
Things worked out pretty much the best they could for me.  Its a shame about Detroit's perfect season going away.  They could have really used it but, I watched that game and they need to do something drastic about there 2 minute game.  It was terrible.

I don't know what New England was thinking after the half.  They won but the First Half was much better play from them.

If I wouldn't of had that 4 point first week I be in the lead.  I hope this week will be the one I break out on.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 18, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
Congratulations to Week 6 winner Lindemann, and a belated congrats for Week 5 winner Stephen.

It's funny. Even though I proclaimed Detroit to win, I took a couple "Drink bets" (you have to buy me my next drink at the bar) while watching it with a couple of friends.

I can't lie. I thought I was pretty much fucked, but some how they pulled out the win.

Much respect for keeping the faith. My long-suffering Niners-fan friend was a mess for much of that game, and jubilant by the end. As a sidenote, even before the game Niners fans were making themselves visible in public for the first time in a long time. It didn't take much to relight that torch!

Things worked out pretty much the best they could for me.  Its a shame about Detroit's perfect season going away. 

 They're playing the Packers twice this year. A perfect season was never really in the cards!  :P:
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Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2011, 08:04:44 AM
Besides the penalties SF ran a good game.

I'm going to laugh when they beat the pack.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 18, 2011, 08:09:56 AM
Totally ain't happening!

Do they even play this year?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2011, 08:13:29 AM
I should have put Detroit.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 18, 2011, 08:14:51 AM
Ah. In that case, they might split, but after seeing their past two games I'm less certain than I was before. Plus, seeing Schwartz's tantrums is fun!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2011, 08:18:09 AM
I hope what Detroit takes from there last game is to not do anything but work on there 2 minute game this week.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on October 18, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
Yeah, not a very good week for me.  :(
 
Certainly a pretty violent week for the coaches though.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 18, 2011, 11:35:18 AM
My reaction to the Raiders deal:

Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 23, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Darn You Miami, 3 Points just 3 points.   I was hoping that game get me in the lead.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2011, 08:23:07 PM
Really? 62 to fucking 7??!?!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 24, 2011, 07:28:09 AM
Really? 62 to fucking 7??!?!
I didn't pay attention to that games score until today.  What happened there...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 24, 2011, 08:39:18 AM
Really? 62 to fucking 7??!?!
I didn't pay attention to that games score until today.  What happened there...

Brees lose to Bucaneers.

BREES SMASH!!!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on October 24, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
New Orleans, in last night's game: 62
St. Louis Rams, this season: 56
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on October 24, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
Does this add to Peyton Manning's legend?  The constant comparison is between Manning and Tom Brady.  Brady having more Superbowl rings is the most used argument that suggests that Manning is merely number 2, and it's a very easy conclusion to make.  But when Brady went down a few years back the Pats almost made the playoffs.  With Manning gone the Colts are completely worthless.  A 0-16 season honestly seems like a possibility.

So while Brady is clearly a great quarterback on a great team, Manning is looking more like an out-of-this-world player that single-handedly makes his team of inept nobodies great, but not quite as great as Brady's team.  The Colts are so bad without him you could make the argument that Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time or maybe even the best football player ever!  Could you take any group of experienced football players, slot Manning in as quarterback, and have a contending NFL team?  His absence is proving his greatness!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on October 24, 2011, 05:38:11 PM
The PTI guys brought this up today, and I thought Wilbon made a good point when he said something to the effect of "Tom Brady is only the second most important on the Patriots on Sunday. Peyton Manning is the single most important guy on the Colts ESPECIALLY on Sunday." Manning quite literally is that team.

Also, Drew Brees is the fucking man.

Who Dat
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 28, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
Does this add to Peyton Manning's legend? 

I see where you're coming from, but I have to wonder if the Colts would be pretty bad even with Manning. The team is, quite simply, old. They haven't made any great free agency moves in years, and the last good draft they had occurred shortly before we all started drooling about Wii Sports. Add to that how the team has openly and consistently been built around Peyton's particular skillset, and I wonder if the results are more skewed than they would be on a more "normal" team.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on October 28, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
I got a theory about Peyton Manning. Indianapolis wanted the Colts to have a shitty year so they can bring in two visiting teams to the SuperBowl and thus make more money for the city.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2011, 08:48:35 PM
They can miss the Superbowl without being 0-6.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 29, 2011, 10:11:44 PM
They can miss the Superbowl without being 0-6.

Go big or and go home!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
Today I'm not going up in the rankings.  I only have one game that I don't think other will pick.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on October 30, 2011, 11:23:10 AM
/me looks at the score of Ravens/Cardinals

(http://cinesnark.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/manning-face.jpg)
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on October 31, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
Congrats to Stephen on his second (third?) weekly victory! Personally, I blame Rivers: if that sumbeech had mastered the intricate art of holding a football, I'd be tied with J.P for the weekly championship. Stephen's also in a three way tie for the yearly total. Thus, NWR mirrors the AFC West in having a muddled picture of the division winner...

Also, to Nate, I thought after last week you'd come back to us...:(
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2011, 05:07:37 AM
3rd and a half (Almost had Week 6 but I didn't have the point spread).  Though this is awesome.  I called Kansas City game within 1 point no less.

So I've gone from severe Last Place Week 1 to tied for first Week 8.  Very cool.  Now I just need to maintain this to what the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 01, 2011, 10:30:34 PM
3rd and a half (Almost had Week 6 but I didn't have the point spread).  Though this is awesome.  I called Kansas City game within 1 point no less.

So I've gone from severe Last Place Week 1 to tied for first Week 8.  Very cool.  Now I just need to maintain this to what the Super Bowl?

Most leagues only last to the end of the regular season, with the playoffs being their own reboot, but I don't know how Neal set this league up.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 04, 2011, 07:52:18 PM
You must sign and do your part - get Nickelback kicked off of the Thanksgiving game half time show! (https://www.change.org/petitions/the-detroit-lions-replace-nickelback-as-the-halftime-show-for-the-thanksgiving-game) I've signed a lot of petitions online...this one is the most meaningful by far.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on November 04, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
I'll sign on the condition that they're also kicked out of the Grey Cup halftime show as well.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 05, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
Not sure why, Nickelback are pretty good. They are just one of those groups that it's popular to hate them.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 05, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
That is the most hilarious thing I have heard all day. I sincerely hope you are joking.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 06, 2011, 06:44:33 PM
God damn the St. Louis Rams. I was the only contender who picked them, and they had the lead most of the game, ready to give me a two point cushion over anybody else and they had to go and blow it.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 06, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Titans choked as well.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 06, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
On the other hand, I'm very happy to be wrong about the Sunday night game. **** the Steelers.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 06, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Heh not a bad week so far for me. I am leading so far for the week.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 08, 2011, 10:30:22 AM
*sigh*

I remember when I won more than half the games.

Those were fun times.

Anyhow, don't forget that Thursday Night Football's back! Unless you're ahead of me in the standings, in which please forget away!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 08, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
This ends at the end of the regular season. We could do a playoff pool if y'all are interested.

In another life, I was a sports statistician...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 11, 2011, 09:11:52 AM
The best part about Thursday games is that I now get an early start at being wrong. Stupid Raiders. Stupid AFC West. Grrrrr.....
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
The best part about Thursday games is that I now get an early start at being wrong. Stupid Raiders. Stupid AFC West. Grrrrr.....
Its a wash.  We were all wrong.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on November 13, 2011, 09:21:12 PM
I shall start with a bit of ego-stroking: that New England blowout gave me the most points for the week, since we all picked Green Bay to win tomorrow. Yay me!


And now a recap of each game:


Oakland over San Diego: What's happening to the Chargers?


Arizona over Philadelphia: *insert Dream Team joke here*


St. Louis over Cleveland: It was close...


Tennessee over Carolina: Newton couldn't pull this one out.


Jacksonville over Indianapolis: Expected, kind of.


Dallas over Buffalo: Thought it'd be closer than that.


Denver over Kansas City: Tebow Time, anyone?


Houston over Tampa Bay: Houston's currently #1 in the AFC. Will it hold?


New Orleans over Atlanta: When deep in one's own territory, it's best to punt it...


Miami over Washington: So much for Grossman's prediction.


Pittsburgh over Cincinnati: Kind of expected.


Seattle over Baltimore: Just like we all expected, right?


Chicago over Detroit: Thought it'd be closer.


San Francisco over New York: The Niners could wrap up the NFC West in a week or two.


New England over New York: Thought it'd be closer.


Discuss.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 14, 2011, 11:30:27 AM
I was actually surprised to find I had picked Carolina over Tennessee when I got home.  I was really hoping the Jets where going to win.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on November 14, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
I bet so many people that Oakland was going to win against San Diego. A risky bet considering McFadden was still out on the bench. Glad I won that one.

Most surprising game, however, was Chicago vs. Detroit. I expected Chicago to gain an early lead, but I didn't expect them to keep it throughout the entire game. I thought it was going to come down to the will power of their offense as their defense would do a great job of not allowing Detroit to score another touchdown again. Instead, it was a blow out because the Lions offense never showed up.

Best game of the week: Saints vs. Falcons. What a nail biter that one was. Both Brees and Ryan were playing fantastic. It was anyone's game to win and somehow, Saints win again. I can't wait to see the rematch later this season in the SUPERDOME.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on November 14, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
In the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 14, 2011, 05:01:16 PM
Saints vs Falcons was great until the retarded last play by Atlanta. I thought the Giants vs 49ers game was really good, and the Patriots vs Jets game was pretty great as well. Everyone hates the Pats, and most people hate the Jets, so at least everyone got to see one team they hate lose. What's amazing about the Pats is they'll throw someone out on the field who has hardly seen an NFL field before, and then they'll instantly be awesome.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 15, 2011, 09:38:58 AM

Its a wash.  We were all wrong.

If you're trying to make me feel better...you succeeded!  :D

I still lost, though...

I shall start with a bit of ego-stroking: that New England blowout gave me the most points for the week.

 If you're trying to make me feel better...you failed.  :'(
 
 You weren't trying to make me feel better, huh?
 
Saints vs Falcons was great until the retarded last play by Atlanta.

I don't really see the problem there. Atlanta's offense was doing pretty well all night, the Saints' offense can probably go 50 yards or so to get in field goal range with little difficulty, the Falcons only had to advance by a foot, and they have Michael Turner. In their position, going for it seems like a logical move. I'd have done the same, and I think that they'd have gotten the first down four out of five times.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on November 15, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
I didn't have a problem with Atlanta going for it on 4th and a foot, I had a problem with them giving the ball to Turner 4 yards behind the line. Either run something to the side or just do a damn QB sneak when you need a foot.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 16, 2011, 10:25:46 AM
I didn't have a problem with Atlanta going for it on 4th and a foot, I had a problem with them giving the ball to Turner 4 yards behind the line. Either run something to the side or just do a damn QB sneak when you need a foot.

Okay, that's reasonable. Although isn't Turner more of a battering ram RB than a finesse RB? Maybe they just wanted to make sure he had enough time to build up steam.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 16, 2011, 10:26:28 AM
Also, something actually amusing out of ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7238360/page-2-rebrands-nfl-logos-better-reflect-field-performance (http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7238360/page-2-rebrands-nfl-logos-better-reflect-field-performance)

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1116/pg2_graphic_sy_576.jpg)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1115/pg2_e_afclogos_576.jpg)


Cleveland, San Diego,Dallas and Minnesota's are all hilarious. Philly's was just plain ice cold...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on November 16, 2011, 06:22:17 PM
I think Miami Heat jokes are a bit silly. You wouldn't ridicule NEARLY as many teams after they made the it to the finals.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 16, 2011, 06:58:24 PM
Pretty much only them and the '07 Patriots.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 18, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
I think Miami Heat jokes are a bit silly. You wouldn't ridicule NEARLY as many teams after they made the it to the finals.

I disagree. Any dream team that doesn't go all the way gets teased. This is true in football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey, probably cricket in the countries that care about that game, etc. It's the nature of the beast: sports can make a mountain of a molehill one moment (see: Tim Tebow) and then relish in the fall of a giant the next. It all comes from people just seeking entertainment, I guess.

Speaking of Teebus, I didn't catch the game last night, but were the two offenses as bad as the final score indicates?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on November 18, 2011, 10:35:13 PM
In the Broncos case, only in the first 3 quarters.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 28, 2011, 10:11:27 AM
So, will anyone be able to stop Cody's Reign of Terror? There ain't a whole lot of football left, and he's got a six game lead at the moment. Will a hero arise to save us all? Not it!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2011, 10:40:35 AM
So, will anyone be able to stop Cody's Reign of Terror? There ain't a whole lot of football left, and he's got a six game lead at the moment. Will a hero arise to save us all? Not it!
I've been trying.  I can only take comfort in the fact that from My Terrible first week to second :D
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 29, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
I'm rooting for you to somehow magically propel me to first place!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 29, 2011, 10:41:44 AM
Quick question. Is Cody staff? I heard they can't get whatever prize there is when we finish up the season.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
Quick question. Is Cody staff? I heard they can't get whatever prize there is when we finish up the season.
Nope, he's in the clear according to the site Staff page.  Though I don't know his forum name.  I'm fairly sure I've got everyone else pegged.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on November 29, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
So anyone else guess that ass-whooping last night?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 29, 2011, 11:52:22 AM
He's fzeroboyo, I think.

Also: Lindemann, JP, Josh Max, and I are the only staff members still in it. It's open for anyone else.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2011, 12:27:43 PM
So anyone else guess that ass-whooping last night?
When I was picking I thought it was going to be closer.  I didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on November 29, 2011, 03:33:50 PM
Wish I could've had a couple more 13-3s earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on November 29, 2011, 11:47:17 PM
Yup, that's me.  ;D                               
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on November 30, 2011, 10:42:55 AM
Yup, that's me.  ;D                             

*Channels inner Hogan*

You're going down!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on November 30, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
Just so you know, it's impossible to cheat at Pick 'Em. It's not like anyone has an almanac from the future that tells the outcome of every sporting event this year.  :P:                       
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 30, 2011, 03:57:03 PM
I think the site should make everyone above me staff...

Oh quick question. Now that the NBA Season is actually going to happen this year do you guys think we could do something like this for the NBA season?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on November 30, 2011, 04:48:21 PM
Just made my picks for the week: 1% of people picked Indianapolis.

WHAT THE HAYULL???
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on November 30, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
Saints over Detroit
Buffalo over Tennessee
Atlanta over Houston
Carolina over Tampa Bay

Wildcard slots:
Arizona over Dallas
Chicago over Kansas City

Everything else should be run of the mill even if Vick isn't playing.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on December 04, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
I did not see Chicago losing the way the did. Fucking epic.

As for Houston, way to go. That was well earned.

Buffalo can't seem to snap out of their losing streak.

Let's see if I'm right about my Saints.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on December 04, 2011, 07:08:23 PM
So... does anybody want to win the NFC East? The Giants quit on their coach, the Cowboys need to, and lolskins/eagles.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on December 04, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
Giants about had a chance though. You gotta give 'em that.


Now the Lions, on the other hand...               
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2011, 07:40:14 AM
Welp my week has stunk.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on December 05, 2011, 08:04:51 AM
Welp my week has stunk.

Well of course. You didn't go with the obvious winning tandem of Arizona and Kansas City, for starters!


*sob*
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
Lions beat themselves. I will forever hate the Saints for beating the Colts two years ago, so I was disappointed again. if it wasn't for all of the absolutely retarded offensive pass interference penalties (seriously, 3 times in a row?) and the unsportsmanlike conduct, it would have been a much better game, easily could have gone into overtime. Also, can anyone explain why Orlovsky hasn't been starting for Indianapolis the entire year? They had to go through Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter to finally get someone decent out there? Miami pulled the same crap, only they've been counting on Chad Henne for 3 years and he has always sucked. They should have replaced him with Tyler Thigpen when they had the chance. Now they have Matt Moore, who should have started the entire year as well.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2011, 08:18:59 PM
Damn. It was looking so good there for a little bit, they hung around all game and had 1st and goal with a chance to take the lead, then almost instantaneously they go down 14-3. Just as soon as I got my hopes up...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2011, 10:09:41 AM
I totally didn't get my reminder eMail...  Oh well things were hectic yesterday... Who thought Thursday games was a good idea?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on December 09, 2011, 01:20:08 PM
Seconded. Except for US Thanksgiving, and even then there should be a mandatory bye week for the teams involved.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2011, 01:28:15 PM
Seconded. Except for US Thanksgiving, and even then there should be a mandatory bye week for the teams involved.
Agree
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 09, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
It does make it easier for people to watch more football games.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2011, 01:35:03 PM
It does make it easier for people to watch more football games.
Not when they decide ESPN should carry them... *grumble grumble*
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 09, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
Not ESPN, NFL Network. Which sucks for me, because Time Warner doesn't carry NFL Network. That means I had to resort to low quality internet streams to watch last night's Browns-Steelers game. Despite the fact that probably close to 80% of the football fans in this town are Browns or Steelers fans, we're in the market for the fucking Bills so we don't get the local feed that they do in Cleveland or Pittsburgh.
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Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
I only get over-the-air so I haven't been able to watch a lot of games this year when I normaly could not to long ago.
Its just not worth the money for me to get 1 set of programming for a quarter of the year that I'll not watch dedicately.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 09, 2011, 02:09:55 PM
Luckily all the playoff games are on over-the-air networks (unlike MLB, where divisional round games air on cable too), and you can still watch anywhere from 3-5 games each week over the air. My team are the Bills and I live in their market, so I can always watch them (except for the rare times they don't sell out, but that has happened like 2 times in the last 5 years).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 09, 2011, 06:13:45 PM
Insano, you should have watched it on Veelte in HD like I did. I also have Verizon and an LTE phone (Thunderbolt), so I get to watch all of the Thursday Night games live on NFL Mobile. It is a pain in the ass because I have to flash back over to a Sense-based ROM in order for Verizon to authenticate my phone each time, but it's a necessary evil.

I should probably highlight that point - if you have an LTE Verizon phone (even if you don't have access to LTE), then you can get NFL Mobile and watch all Thursday Night (and Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football) games live, for free, for the entire season.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 09, 2011, 06:22:05 PM
I'm not going to have a Verizon phone until next year because the 4S was in no way a big enough upgrade to justify paying an early termination fee. Wouldn't have been LTE anyway (which I suppose is a decent chunk of the reason it wasn't worth it).
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Post by: Shaymin on December 11, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
You know, that Denver game had a good ending... but the ball turning into loaves of bread and fishes on the way through the uprights was a little much.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 11, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
Jesus is Tim Tebow in disguise.

Glad to see the Ravens win even though Indy is my favorite team - this is a guaranteed #1 draft pick, and it once again secured the Ravens 1st place slot over the Steelers (who was in first during the game apparently). Once again Denver takes it down to the very end...and the NE/DC game turned out to be pretty good during the second half. Green Bay dominated once again (I might join the bandwagon if when they go undefeated). I couldn't care less who wins tonight.
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Post by: noname2200 on December 12, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
I respect the resurgent Broncos. I still dislike Tebow. >=(

Lots of surprising upsets yesterday. I hope my memory is wrong, because right now I think I got, like, six wins. Both of the Bay Area teams really stunk up the joint, by the by, although I'm fine with the Raiders going down much more than I am with the Niners.

Arizona and Miami are two teams that don't seem to realize that they're already out of the playoffs...(but more power to them for that!)
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Post by: NWR_Neal on December 12, 2011, 09:12:56 AM
Arizona's not out of the playoffs. Just sayin'. Same with Seattle. Both teams could wind up at 9-7, and if Atlanta, Chicago, and Detroit flounder more than they have (Atl and Detroit are looking like they might hang tough), they could sneak in.

Also, the Packers. :D
Realistically, the only team that terrifies me against the Packers are the Denver Tebows. They can't compete with Him.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 12, 2011, 10:23:40 AM
I don't expect the typical 4th quarter 15 points that Denver somehow always gets to overcome the 75 point deficit that they'll be facing late in the game.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 12, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
The Broncos have become must-see-TV these last few weeks.  They had me fooled yesterday.  I'm thinking "well I guess they can't win them all" and then BAM!

WWE wrestler Sin Cara used to be known as Mistico in Mexico where his gimmick was that he was God's favourite wrestler so miraculous things would work out in his favour and help him win.  My brother and I joke that Tim Tebow is God's favourite football player and thus receives similar divine intervention.  I've even started calling him "Mistebow".  I'm just joking around but THIS last game really did feel miraculous with Marion Barber seemingly cursed when the Bears had the game in the bag.

Can they beat New England next week?  Denver has a good defense so they can somewhat negate New England's strong offense.  And New England has a horrible defense.  It is totally doable.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 12, 2011, 11:11:09 AM
I doubt it. I predict something like Denver 16, New England 753.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 12, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
There's only one team in the NFL that has demonstrated the ability to stop God over the last few years. Right, Mr. Warner?
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Post by: noname2200 on December 13, 2011, 07:25:53 AM
Arizona's not out of the playoffs. Just sayin'. Same with Seattle.

Huh. I knew about Seattle, but I thought the Cards and Dolphins could only top out at 8-8.

There's only one team in the NFL that has demonstrated the ability to stop God over the last few years. Right, Mr. Warner?

 Even Wisconsinites (sic?) concede that Rodgers is a hair below Jesus (http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/199514/176/Packers-QB-Ranks-Along-With-Jesus-Christ-As-Most-Popular-In-Wisconsin)...But just a hair!
 
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Post by: NWR_Neal on December 13, 2011, 08:46:50 AM
Arizona and Seattle are both 6-7. Two NFC wild cards are currently 8-5. It'd involve an epic collapse, but stranger things have happened this year.

Hell, technically the damn Eagles aren't dead yet. They're sitting at 5-8, and if they win out and the Cowboys and Giants crap the bed, they can steal the division. Once again, stranger things have happened.
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Post by: noname2200 on December 13, 2011, 12:38:43 PM
That IS the Jets' accustomed manner of reaching the AFC Championship, yes. :-/  But it was just a memory error on my part. Although the Cards are becoming white hot...

And on a related note, poor Sparano. Guys no play good enough, coach no coach good enough. :(
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 22, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
And the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes just got interesting.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 23, 2011, 03:29:25 AM
Like how in China, they hope you live an interesting life?
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 23, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
So the Colts can't even lose right.  They put their fanbase through this hell of a season and the one thing that would make it worthwhile is getting the number one pick and they could potentially blow that now.  I get going for a win because who wants to go 0-16?  But you've got that win.  Getting 2 or 3 wins means jack ****.  You're just screwing the fans out of their "reward" for putting up with a terrible season.  Either be good enough to compete or REALLY suck so that you get high draft picks.  Don't just kind of suck.

Though I do think it's funny that Houston has never won in Indianapolis.  It was a good way for Indy to show Houston that they still own the division and that only reason Houston is winning it this year is because of Manning's injury.  It's like "don't forget, we're still better!"
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Post by: NWR_Neal on January 03, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Will our winner (Cody Begaye) please stand up? By stand up, I mean PM me and we can work out your prize.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 03, 2012, 09:29:28 AM
Congrats Cody! You held on to your lead for several weeks, a most impressive feat. Well done!

Looking forward to the playoffs this weekend. I've got my teams to root for and against all lined up, so there'll be drama in every game for me.

And I'm guessing Ian's pleased at losing the last game?
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 03, 2012, 10:56:44 AM
Well I'm not specifically a Colts fan but I'm glad to see them get the number one pick nonetheless.

Denver backing into the playoffs was not particularly fun to watch.  The AFC Wild Card round doesn't look like it will be that good.  Houston has been using their third string quarterback and he got hurt in the last game, Denver played terrible the last two games and Cincinnati seems to be merely the least sucky of a group of very average AFC teams that were on the playoff bubble until the last week.  Pittsburgh is the only one of the "good" AFC playoff teams playing this weekend.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 03, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
Agreed completely, but I look forward to the continued fall of Tim Tebow, and the even match up that is Cincy-Houston.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 05, 2012, 12:31:13 PM
Nice! The Pick 'Em League was certainly fun and I hope we can do it again next year. Provided we survive Armageddon in December.  :P:         
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Post by: Shaymin on January 05, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
Bengals
Saints
Falcons
Steelers
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Post by: noname2200 on January 05, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Saints (obviously), Steelers (die national joke, die! Mwahahaha!!!), Bungles (grudgingly), and Giants (please let the streak stay alive...).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 06, 2012, 05:55:28 AM
Saints (obviously), Steelers (die national joke, die! Mwahahaha!!!), Bungles (grudgingly), and Giants (please let the streak stay alive...).

I'm not sure why you think the Saints winning is obvious; the Lions definitely have the offense to keep up with them. I'd pick New Orleans, but I'd be far from shocked if Detroit managed to pull it off.

As much as I hate the Steelers, I can't see them losing to Denver, even without Mendenhall and Roethlisberger playing on one leg.

Cincy-Houston seems like a toss-up, but I'll go with the Bengals because I think Andy Dalton is the real deal, and AJ Green is already one of the best receivers in the league.

Finally, sorry Lindy, I have to go with the Giants as the hot team right now. They barely got in, but so did Green Bay last year.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 06, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
I'm not sure why you think the Saints winning is obvious; the Lions definitely have the offense to keep up with them. I'd pick New Orleans, but I'd be far from shocked if Detroit managed to pull it off.


The Saints indoors have a ridiculously consistent high-octane offense, an effect that's magnified noticeably (in my mind) at the Superdome. No one was pulling for the Rams harder last week than the Saints; the Saints have a 13-point scoring differential when they play inside as opposed to outside, with a few extra heaped on when they play at home.

It's not impossible for the Lions to beat them, but of all the weekend games I'd say this is probably the safest bet, with Denver-Pittsburgh a close second. Besides, I know from previous Patriots games that the more I mentally build a team up, the more delicious it is when they fall.  ;D

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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 06, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
I'd say the Saints, Giants, Steelers, and Texans. Why? So that should Houston win, then Pittsburgh faces New England. Pittsburgh and Baltimore are the two teams I feel have a genuine chance of containing the Patriots, especially if they want to play comeback heroes again.                     
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 06, 2012, 01:05:58 PM
I would much rather see the Patriots in the Super Bowl than the Ravens or the Steelers. Then again, as a Browns fan, my ideal season would have the Steelers finishing 0-16 and the Ravens 2-14, only beating the Steelers.

And calling the Saints beating the Lions the safest bet is ridiculous; Steelers over Denver at least, and probably Giants over Falcons are safer bets to me. Also, Saints-Lions is almost certainly going to be the most entertaining game to watch, with two 5,000+ yard QBs in a dome, sure to be a shootout.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2012, 01:43:53 PM
Giants over Falcons isn't that safe. Steelers over Denver is by far the safest. Tim Tebow isn't ready for the Steelers defense or playoff ball in general. Saints have a tendency to play to their opponents (see Rams, Seahawks, etc), so that upset is possible though entirely unprobable.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 06, 2012, 03:06:57 PM
You guys are giving the Steelers too much credit. They've repeatedly proven this season that they can lay an egg, and their offense hasn't looked good in at least a month. Denver's defense has cooled down, but I still see them giving Big Ben and co. some difficulty. Steelers should still win it, but I have way less confidence in the Steelers @ Denver than I do with the red-hot Saints @ home.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 06, 2012, 03:18:53 PM
I still think you guys are giving the Lions too little credit.

With the Steelers, I could see Denver squeaking by, if only because it's shaping up to be an incredibly low scoring game, so it could happen by fluke. Pittsburgh's lights-out defense versus Denver's in-the-dark offense, and Denver's very capable D against a hobbled Ben and no Mendenhall. I still think the Steelers are the safest bet of the week, but they could definitely lose this, although I shouldn't let myself get my hopes up for that.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 06, 2012, 05:33:19 PM
I thought about picking the Lions until I remembered the last time the Saints and Lions played and the Lions emptied an entire clip into their foot. And that was with Ndonkeykong Suh out of the lineup.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 07, 2012, 08:27:35 PM
Saints handled the Lions with a great second half, setting another record or two in the process.


Texans dominated the Bengals, that was a bit shocking.


Now let's see what happens tomorrow.  :D
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Post by: Shaymin on January 08, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
And so Tim Tebow throws for 316 yards and takes the virginity of the NFL's playoff OT format in record time, which would be the first time he's taken the virginity of ANYTHING.

As such, in two weeks it will be Baltimore at New England in the AFC title game, also known as the "Battle of Who Could Care Less".
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 08, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
I'm so very happy Pittsburgh lost. It was a nice way to cheer me up after the Flyers blew a two goal lead.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 08, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Giants dominated the Falcons, showing they have a lot momentum. Which they will need, going to face Green Bay next Sunday.


TEBOW TIME!!!!!


What a great weekend!     
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 08, 2012, 05:49:32 PM
As such, in two weeks it will be Baltimore at New England in the AFC title game, also known as the "Battle of Who Could Care Less".

If the Ravens and Patriots underestimate the Broncos the same way you do, then Denver will make it to the Super Bowl.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 12, 2012, 05:50:32 PM
So what's the betting on who wins this weekend? I'm mostly going dull, with choices like: Green Bay, New England, Baltimore... and San Francisco!
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Post by: Shaymin on January 12, 2012, 07:13:29 PM
Yeah, pretty much going chalk. Packers/Niners/Patriots/Ravens *gag*
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2012, 07:20:44 PM
Patriots, Ravens, Niners .... Giants.

New York is what Green Bay was last year: the team that got hot at the right time. The Packers just haven't quite looked the same recently, and I don't necessarily think the rest did them too many favors, and the weather in Green Bay isn't going to hurt the Giants. Eli's playing like the number one pick he was, and that whole team is on fire right now.

Don't fire me, Neal.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on January 12, 2012, 08:08:50 PM
I'll let Sunday speak for itself.

Every single player on the Packers is healthy. When this team had time off before (Week 1, Post-Bye Week), they put up 40+ points on great (Saints) and decent (Chargers) teams. They also have lost 1 game in the past year+. They haven't lost at home since October 2010, when they lost in overtime to the Dolphins in a game that Clay Matthews missed and was arguably the worst they played in all of 2010.

I'm (mildly) fine with all these doubters. It's like I was mildly fine with all the Tebow talk when they were undefeated, or how the Suh Stomp overshadowed the fact they were coasting for homefield.

For a team with a record as good as they have, people don't seem to give them too much credit. I think the Giants will put up a helluva fight, and I wish I wasn't so personally vested in this game, because I'm sure it'll a blast to watch for impartial fans. Ultimately, this team is 15-1 for a reason. And while the Giants beat them at Lambeau back in '07, this time we don't have a gunslinging turd.

Lastly, you're fucking fired. I do look forward to rooting for the Browns if/when Matt Flynn goes there in the offseason. Honestly, I pick up a second team to root for wherever Flynn goes. He's a golden god and super pimp.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
I'm not totally sold on Flynn, but he's a closer fit to our system than RG3 and would have to be an improvement over what we have now.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 13, 2012, 09:50:47 AM
I'm going to be bold and pick: Giants, Saints, Texans, and Broncos.


As said before, the Giants have a lot of momentum after steamrolling the Cowboys and pretty much shutting out the Falcons. Packers will certainly put up a fight, but that defense (next to dead last) could certainly be cause for concern against a fired up Eli Manning and company.


Saints don't play as well outside, but if Drew Brees can't go to the air, handing it off to Darren Sproles certainly seems like a good alternative. While San Francisco has a good defense, their offense has struggled in the red zone throughout the season. It's been said before: New Orleans is a team you can't beat with field goals. Provided they score, of course.


Texans over the Ravens because the latter has always struggled against the underdogs this season. Remember the losses to Jacksonville and San Diego earlier? Houston has shown that they can put together a competent offense with Yates, or maybe it's just because it was the Bengals, but I feel that Houston at least has a shot.


Broncos because they have momentum after Tim Tebow threw for 316 yards against one of the best passing defenses last week. New England's defense is dead last in ranks, so it's up to the Brady Bunch (Brady, Green-Ellis, Hernandez, Welker, and Gronkowski) to put up some points. Thing is, they've had slow first halves against Miami and Buffalo and fell down 2-3 scores. That could happen again, but they've always got it together in the second half. And remember: last year, the Patriots stomped the Jets 45-3 in their previous meeting but the Jets came and knocked them out in the first round. So I think Tebow Time still has some magic left.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
The problem with the Saints handing off to Sproles is that San Francisco's run defense this year may be the best in the history of the league. They didn't give up a rushing TD until like week 14. If Brees isn't able to work through the air the Niners just might be able to beat them with field goals.

Also, New England's defense is only dead last in terms of yards. Looking at how many points they've given up they're 15th.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on January 13, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
Actually, the Packers are dead last in terms of yards. But they have the most wins in the league. Go figure.

Remember last week when the Steelers (the #1 defense in the league) got gashed for 400+ yards against the Broncos?

Remember last week when the Giants (the #32 rushing offense in the league) ran for close to 200 yards?

Rankings schmankings. Go Pack Go.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Actually, the Packers are dead last in terms of yards. But they have the most wins in the league. Go figure.

They're only 19th in scoring defense. Also, they're 1st in points scored; you need to be playing with 9 guys on defense to lose very often when you're averaging 35 points a game.
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Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
If Brees is standing, then he can work through the air. You don't smash records not being effective. That's not to say the 49ers run D can't be beat either. Pierre Thomas is running like he doesn't want to be tackled, Sproles will get a you touchdown either rushing or catching, but it would really be lethal if we had Ingram.

Either way, this is going to be epic.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 13, 2012, 08:11:40 PM
I'm confident that the Saints running game won't be as successful as it was against the Lions. The Niners generally know an advanced football technique referred to as "tackling." And anyone who doesn't execute will probably be executed himself by Harbaugh.... I'm not super-confident that the Niners will win, but I'm giving them a slight edge at the moment. Hope they don't let me down!
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 14, 2012, 05:44:52 PM
Close game, but the Niners are headed to the conference championship. Certainly will be rooting for them.


Looks like New England's set to win, but will they blow all of their points this week? We'll see.                           
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2012, 07:33:26 PM
The Niners-Saints game was really exciting at the end, but it's not a good sign for San Fran that they got five turnovers and still almost lost.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 14, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
Wow. New England punted on third down and then a brawl broke out. I've about lost all respect for that team. I guess now I'm like Greg and can't wait to see them get pounded.


Baltimore has a shot, then if they win that, they'd have to face San Francisco, Green Bay, or New York. Not looking so easy now.                                   
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
Not a big fan of the Patriots, but I'd certainly rather have them in the Super Bowl than Baltimore. Either way, I think the winner is whoever comes out of the NFC.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 14, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
I've never liked the Patriots, I will pretty much root for any team that faces them. Ideally, I would like to see a Packers-Texans Super Bowl (well, Packers-Broncos, but that won't happen now).
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Post by: noname2200 on January 14, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
The Niners-Saints game was really exciting at the end, but it's not a good sign for San Fran that they got five turnovers and still almost lost.

The environment here was amazing. Everyone at the bar was exuberant for the first quarter, sullen for the second, ambivalent for the third, and then wildly fluctuating for those final seven minutes. It was like being a teenager all over again! And then the bar fights broke out!
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Post by: Shaymin on January 14, 2012, 09:56:28 PM
Wow. New England punted on third down and then a brawl broke out. I've about lost all respect for that team. I guess now I'm like Greg and can't wait to see them get pounded.


Baltimore has a shot, then if they win that, they'd have to face San Francisco, Green Bay, or New York. Not looking so easy now.                                 

If you're starting a fight when you're down 5 touchdowns in the 4th quarter, you're doing it wrong. Although having your QB punt is a bit of a bush move.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2012, 10:07:20 PM
Brady punted to avoid taking an unnecessary hit. It's not the first time he's done it. I'd say it's actually one of the classier moves by the Patriots, he could have just as easily thrown another touchdown, but Denver was absolutely pathetic, so why even bother? I'm assuming that the team you lost respect for was New England, but Denver started the fight, and it had nothing to do with Tom Brady.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on January 14, 2012, 10:20:30 PM
That Saints-Niners game was fantastic. I echo JP's thoughts. The Niners shouldn't have been in that position at the end. The offense clicked in the beginning and the end, but the middle was the Rootin' Tootin' San Fran David Akers Show on offense. In all honesty, game should have been a minimum of 27-17 by the 4th quarter. It's a big reason why I think despite the Niners' quality play, they're very beatable. That game tonight amounted to a flip of the coin.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 14, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
Ah, maybe it was just utter dominance. That and people on Twitter reacting to it. Either way, they'll definitely have more of a challenge next week.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 15, 2012, 03:28:44 PM
How about that Giants Hail Mary before the half ended?                       
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 15, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
Wow. The G-Men.[size=78%]                               [/size]
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Patriots, Ravens, Niners .... Giants.

Check, check, check, discount double check. 4 for 4 this week.
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Post by: Stogi on January 16, 2012, 06:01:34 AM
You may have been right, but I wish Denver, Saints and Packers all made it through. Why? Because the games would have been WAY better.

Patriots and Giants in the super bowl? Lame.

Patriots and 49ers in the super bowl? If Tom Brady shits himself due to hits, that would make me really happy but I could care less about either two teams. Go Niners I guess.

Ravens? Only by default am I rooting for them. (But go Cruzzzz).

If the Saints and Packers won, we could have seen the two best Quarterbacks in the league shoot out against each other. If the Broncos won, as a Muslim, I would have gone to Church yesterday. Tebow in the Super Bowl would have been the most hilariously awesome thing ever. So much potential...all lost..
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2012, 06:08:35 AM
As much as I'd hate to see the Ravens in the Super Bowl, Harbaugh vs. Harbaugh would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 16, 2012, 06:30:45 AM
The Patriots vs Giants Superbowl from just an few years ago was awesome. It as very close and the Giants ended the Pats' perfect season.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on January 16, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
Welp, that Packers game sucked. :/ But c'est la vie. Rodgers took home the trophy last year, so I can't whine too loudly. Wish they'd made it more of a game though!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2012, 07:55:06 AM
The Saints and the Packers both played the worst games they've played all season this weekend. Giants got hot at the right time; Saints and Packers got cold at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on January 16, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
The Saints and the Packers both played the worst games they've played all season this weekend. Giants got hot at the right time; Saints and Packers got cold at the wrong time.

Agreed on the Packers game, but the Saints? They've laid bigger eggs. Against most teams, that performance would have been more than enough to win it. The Niners defense and special teams just really stepped up, and the offense got lucky (against a mediocre Saints D) at the right moment.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2012, 08:11:04 AM
I was mostly referring to the five turnovers for the Saints. I'll agree that it wasn't as bad as Green Bay's performance.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 16, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
Green Bay just couldn't catch the ball to save their lives. Rodgers started taking a beating towards the end of the game, but he was like 24 for 43 or something, that's some sloppy ass work by the receivers. 
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on January 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
So...er....Is Neal still alive? Neal, post if you're alive!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2012, 09:32:48 PM
The Saints and the Packers both played the worst games they've played all season this weekend. Giants got hot at the right time; Saints and Packers got cold at the wrong time.

5 turnovers and we were still in it to the end. Our loss to the Rams was probably the worse performance.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on January 17, 2012, 10:01:43 AM
What really fucked us over wasn't the turnovers, it was the fact that Pierre Thomas was injured after three plays. It put all of the pressure of running on Sproles which is not his element, resulting in some viscous hits that literally scared Sproles from playing like his normal self.

This wouldn't have been a big deal if Mark Ingram was healthy. In fact, if Ingram was healthy we would have one handily.

Lastly, the person that tackled Thomas lead with his helmet causing a viscous helmet to helmet that everyone ignored.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on January 17, 2012, 10:42:37 AM
So...er....Is Neal still alive? Neal, post if you're alive!

I'm alive, just depressed. :(

I mean, you can't win when you play like garbage, and that's what the Packers did. Disgustingly, if they didn't screw up one of those potential TD catches, they were back in it. And the Hail Mary play makes me sick, but they honestly had the chance to tie/win despite that, they just couldn't put it together offensively.

I just hope we can have Harbowl II.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
What really fucked us over wasn't the turnovers, it was the fact that Pierre Thomas was injured after three plays. It put all of the pressure of running on Sproles which is not his element, resulting in some viscous hits that literally scared Sproles from playing like his normal self.

It also put Roby in the back field to return kicks which he clearly forgot how to do. He ran out of the end zone almost every time and even dropped the ball. You could see the 49ers kicking it short towards the end because their special teams was just dominate.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on January 17, 2012, 04:07:51 PM
I'd rather get stabbed in the chest by Ray Lewis than watch the Ravens in the Super Bowl again. But I also only rooted for the Patriots last weekend out of spite for Tebow.

Basically, I'm hoping for a nuke.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 20, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
http://youtu.be/eazi_DnGmVY


Last time Patriots and Ravens met in the playoffs. I'll just leave this here...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
I hate the Ravens, but I feel pretty bad for Billy Cundiff right now.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 22, 2012, 03:17:31 PM
Welp, there goes the Harbaugh Bowl.


Guess now I'll root for the Giants, so we get a Super Bowl XLII rematch.             
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 22, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Poor Billy Cundiff...I sense a real life Ace Ventura plot coming soon.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
Maybe Kyle Williams and Billy Cundiff can get together and form some kind of support group.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on January 22, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
The best regular season ever was followed up by the worst postseason ever. I think the only way this Super Bowl could be worse is if it was another NFC North team instead of the Giants, and the Patriots were actually just Satan.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2012, 07:47:01 PM
The matchup in the Super Bowl may not be good, but the postseason has been excellent in terms of how good and close the games have been.

EDIT: Also, neither Pittsburgh or Baltimore can win the Super Bowl, which is all I asked for.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on January 22, 2012, 07:49:32 PM
So it's a Super Bowl XLII rematch. That should be interesting.


My money's on the G-Men.                   
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on January 22, 2012, 08:48:13 PM
Kyle Williams. Kyle f***ing Williams. One of two men I hold personally responsible for letting the two teams I least wanted in the Super Bowl to reach the Super Bowl.

For the record, the second man is Lee Evans. Both of these morons need to learn how to secure a ball! >=(

Ah well, at least the games were close.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
You're blaming Evans over Cundiff? That end zone play wasn't Evans' fault; it was just great defense from the Patriots, possibly for the first time all season.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on January 22, 2012, 09:00:38 PM
Nonsense. The defender's contact wouldn't be enough to knock out a ball if Evans had bothered to secure it. He just relaxed his guard early, and thus ran afoul of the Megatron Rule.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on January 23, 2012, 07:10:26 AM
Nonsense. The defender's contact wouldn't be enough to knock out a ball if Evans had bothered to secure it. He just relaxed his guard early, and thus ran afoul of the Megatron Rule.

While Cundiff's chip shot was the bigger error, Evans should have had that ball.

Playoffs might have been exciting for someone not invested in any of the teams, but never have I wanted to vomit more during a playoff season. At the start of the playoffs, this was the worst possible outcome for me in my head. It came true. The only way it could be worse is if Brett Favre was the QB on the Giants, and the Giants were the Eagles/Vikings/Bears instead. Or if Brett Favre was on the Jets and they repped the AFC.

At least the egg the Packers laid is still superseded by the Steelers losing to Tebow.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 27, 2012, 01:23:59 PM
My Browns have hired former Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress as their offensive coordinator. I'm not sure how to feel about that. The Browns needed one, but that's because Pat Shurmur sucks and shouldn't have been hired as head coach in the first place, so I'm not ready to get excited over another Holmgren coaching decision.

Childress kind of sucked as a head coach, but lots of guys who are great coordinators suck as head coaches, case in point current Browns defensive coordinator Dick Jauron. He was OC under Andy Reid in Philly back during their great run, but he didn't call the plays there, and play calling is the one area where the Browns need the most help.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2012, 07:06:17 PM
No Superbowl talk?

My boy Dave Toleffson #71 on the NY Giants
(a friend from HS)
is now a 2 time Superbowl Champ and both times against the NE Patriots!!!

he actually joined their team back in 2007, the last time they went to the Superbowl and beat the NE Patriots.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
I was watching it and was away from my laptop and it was a crazy game. I was watching it at a neighbors since well my house is full of women. I was rooting for the Giants since I was rooting for the NFC team since the Eagles are my team and they are a NFC team as well. 
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2012, 07:28:03 PM
I hate the Patriots and root for whoever plays against them, and New York is sort of a New York team (they and the Jets are actually New Jersey teams), so I rooted for them and am glad they won.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: FZeroBoyo on February 05, 2012, 07:34:14 PM
Wow, what a year. We went from thinking we weren't going to have a season to a Super Bowl that came right down to the final play. The winner of the big game, nonetheless, was a team that looked like it had no hope in early December, and they once again deny the Patriots a title.


I fully expect Greg to open with minor jabs of religion and then blurt out, "I believe in Eli!" on the next RFN. Or something akin to last year. ("F*** off, Belichick!)
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TrueNerd on February 05, 2012, 07:52:43 PM
Cheers, Greg!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Dasmos on February 05, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Why if one team is from New York (or New Jersey) and one team from New England did they play in Indiana?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2012, 08:12:56 PM
Why if one team is from New York (or New Jersey) and one team from New England did they play in Indiana?

The site of the Super Bowl is selected well ahead of time. Next year it's in New Orleans, and if the Giants (or the Jets) make it back in two years they'll be playing at home as it'll be in New York.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Though so far no team has ever played the Super Bowl in their home stadium. And the NFL never picks a stadium in the northern US unless it has a dome because they are afraid to have the players play in snow (even though NFL games in the snow are more fun to watch).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
And the NFL never picks a stadium in the northern US unless it has a dome because they are afraid to have the players play in snow (even though NFL games in the snow are more fun to watch).

Except, as I just pointed out, they're playing it at the new Meadowlands, an outdoor stadium in northern New Jersey, in 2014.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2012, 08:41:54 PM
True, this is the first time they are doing it and I was surprised.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 05, 2012, 10:31:50 PM
As someone who lives in New Jersey, I'm scared that the northern half of my state will blow up in two years. Reading about how nutty Indy got during this year's Super Bowl is foreboding.

Anyway, it was another crazy NFL year. I look forward to rooting for the Packers and whoever Matt Flynn plays for next year.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Dasmos on February 05, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
Must suck for fans always having to travel to see their team play. Here the two major football codes, the AFL and NRL, always have the grand final at the same stadium. Admittedly this probably wouldn't work with the NFL though, too many teams over a large area.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2012, 11:36:03 PM
I look forward to rooting for the Packers and whoever Matt Flynn plays for next year.

I'm so happy Flynn's a free agent, as it will remove the threat of one team (most likely the Dolphins, but I'd really love for it to be the Redskins), trading up ahead of the Browns to take RG3. Ideally Peyton Manning would knock out the other one, but that seems less likely.


Must suck for fans always having to travel to see their team play. Here the two major football codes, the AFL and NRL, always have the grand final at the same stadium. Admittedly this probably wouldn't work with the NFL though, too many teams over a large area.

Even just getting tickets to the Super Bowl is ridiculously expensive, so anyone who wants to blow thousands of dollars on that probably has enough to cover the travel as well. Personally, if my Browns manage to get to the Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'd rather throw a big party at my house and watch it on TV than go to the game anyway, and being surrounded by obnoxious Steeler fans I don't seem to be alone in that sentiment.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 06, 2012, 12:04:20 PM
The Super Bowl is, in my eyes, a media clusterfuck. I love it, don't get me wrong, but if I wanted to see my team compete for a championship, I'd rather go to the NFC/AFC Championship game at their home stadium.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
The Super Bowl is, in my eyes, a media clusterfuck. I love it, don't get me wrong, but if I wanted to see my team compete for a championship, I'd rather go to the NFC/AFC Championship game at their home stadium.
Whose Stadium?

AFC or NFC?

Would you alternate?

What about all the prep work for just a Football game.  Not even the Superbowl.  A couple of weeks is not enough time.

I'm sure NFL would really like that as well in a way, but the logistics of all that and the politics of Home Field advantage in the Championship game is just very large.  It is unavoidable sometime in picking it in advance as well but its lessened.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on February 06, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Crazy weekend. I was there throughout Friday and Saturday in downtown Indi. It reminded me of Time Square during NYE it was so packed.

I went to a Jimmy Fallon show as well as met the cast from Grandma's Boy. All in all, a pretty hilarious weekend.

Oh and **** the PATS! I couldn't help but laugh when Giselle (Brady's wife) said something to the affect of "My husband can't throw and catch the fucking ball too!" hahaha
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Post by: noname2200 on February 06, 2012, 12:31:16 PM
Crazy weekend. I was there throughout Friday and Saturday in downtown Indi. It reminded me of Time Square during NYE it was so packed.


Should've taken your 3DS both days. Might've gotten half a Streetpass off it.

Anyways, I wasn't excited for most of the game, but the ending was nice. And thus the Patriots end their season having beaten just one (1) team with a winning record all year.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on February 06, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
Don't own one, but yes...I should have taken something other than my phone. But I was thinking something more like Video Sunglasses.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 06, 2012, 01:26:45 PM
The Super Bowl is, in my eyes, a media clusterfuck. I love it, don't get me wrong, but if I wanted to see my team compete for a championship, I'd rather go to the NFC/AFC Championship game at their home stadium.
Whose Stadium?

AFC or NFC?

Would you alternate?

What about all the prep work for just a Football game.  Not even the Superbowl.  A couple of weeks is not enough time.

I'm sure NFL would really like that as well in a way, but the logistics of all that and the politics of Home Field advantage in the Championship game is just very large.  It is unavoidable sometime in picking it in advance as well but its lessened.

Whoa! 20 Questions!

Obviously I'd go to an NFC Championship game at Lambeau. Duh!

I didn't mean that the Super Bowl should be at a team's home stadium. I said I'd rather not go to the Super Bowl, and instead go to a game in the round before. I hyphenated the AFC/NFC to state that no matter what team I was a fan of, I'd rather go see them play at home in the game before the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 08, 2012, 02:45:00 PM
So now that the season's over, and everyone's got an equal chance at winning it all next year (ha!), what're your hopes for your team's offseason prospects?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 08, 2012, 09:07:31 PM
So now that the season's over, and everyone's got an equal chance at winning it all next year (ha!), what're your hopes for your team's offseason prospects?

Packers - Super Bowl XLVII Champs.

But anyways, I hope they get a pass rusher or two or three in the draft, figure out the running back situation, make sure Matt Flynn finds a good home, and either castrate or cut Jermichael Finley.

Also, I hope Nick Collins is healthy and becomes the bionic man.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 09, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Packers - Super Bowl XLVII Champs.

But anyways, I hope they get a pass rusher or two or three in the draft, figure out the running back situation, make sure Matt Flynn finds a good home, and either castrate or cut Jermichael Finley.

Also, I hope Nick Collins is healthy and becomes the bionic man.

I can see them moving Woodson from corner to SS, where I think he'll do great, and spending some draft picks on their front seven. Getting an OLB to complement Matthews would help the pass rush, but finding a way to get Raji back in the groove would go a long way without having to use draft/FA resources. I wonder if '10 was an anamolous year for him, or if '11 was.

Regarding Finley, he seems to have mentally checked out this year. They won it all without him, but get him back to his peak and he's worth his weight in gold. Still, he'll probably demand a ton of money... and unfortunately the market value of TE's in general seems to be increasing as more teams go double TE more often. On the flipside, RBs seem less valued than in prior years: maybe pick up a good blocking/screen RB would help?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 09, 2012, 01:56:09 PM
I mean, my viewpoint on Finley is that he's an asshole. I'd much rather take the talent hit to have Quarless, Crabtree, or one of the two (now) second-year guys. By the way, Tom Crabtree is bar none the best NFL player on Twitter. That doesn't count for the actual game of football, but he's a decent TE to boot.

If Collins comes back, there is no need to move Woodson. If he doesn't? Well, if Shields can step up or we can get another corner, then I'm for it.

I'd like to think Raji is somewhere between '10 and '11. Having Cullen Jenkins around him helped out a lot, but I don't think he's a game changing player. We need another guy on the DLine. Mike Neal looks like a bust. And our patchwork LB corps from the Super Bowl run looks to have been a series of fortunate events. Walden seems mediocre and faded at the end of the year (Brad Jones started over him in the playoffs, I think). Zombo has an awesome name, but he's a back-up. A.J. Hawk also might be super overrated and make me miss Nick Barnett (you're welcome, Greg).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 09, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
My wish to move Woodson stems primarily from the fact that he's getting older, but that age doesn't dull the skills of a SS as quickly as it does to corners. Moving him to SS lets him continue to use his experience, and his physical skills won't be as compromised.

I'm with you on the LB's though. They're not horrifically bad, but there's lots of room for improvement. And I never did understand the love* for AJ Hawk. I assume he was great sometime before I noticed him, because I like to be charitable to the media. Luckily, there's usually a lot of promising members of the front seven in a given draft, and Thompson's drafting has generally been pretty good. I haven't looked at the draft class in depth yet, though, nor am I sure who's going to be available for free agency.

*May be too strong a word.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 09, 2012, 05:07:56 PM
Hawk was first round pick and an all-around good guy. He had a good year in 2010, mainly because of the turmoil around him. He was kind of awful last year, though (so was most of the defense!). He's also the anti-Nick Barnett, who was a bit of a loudmouth. I think Barnett is better than Hawk, or at least more of a game changer, but Hawk is easier to work with.

Also, he did the middle-finger-to-his-teammates sack celebration during the Rams game that got him a fine, which is hysterical and/or stupid.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2012, 11:40:51 PM
So now that the season's over, and everyone's got an equal chance at winning it all next year (ha!), what're your hopes for your team's offseason prospects?

My Browns' defense played really well this year, but the offense was atrocious. We need a new QB, and I really want it to be Robert Griffin III. Todd McShay's latest mock draft has us getting him and WR Michael Floyd, which I'd really love to see happen, especially being a Notre Dame fan as well, but I don't think there's much chance of that actually happening in reality. But if we could get the two of them, and then shore up the right side of the offensive line later on in the draft, I could see a dramatic improvement in our record next year.

Blind optimism. It's a necessary thing to have as a Browns fan. The team is basically my religion; I don't have real evidence to support it, but I have faith that one day they will be good.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 10, 2012, 09:37:41 AM
Hawk was first round pick and an all-around good guy. He had a good year in 2010, mainly because of the turmoil around him. He was kind of awful last year, though (so was most of the defense!). He's also the anti-Nick Barnett, who was a bit of a loudmouth. I think Barnett is better than Hawk, or at least more of a game changer, but Hawk is easier to work with.

I can agree with the final sentiment, but I'm just not convinced that Hawk's ever going to be anything more than average over the course of his career, and I think that there are better pickings out there. I'd put him on the list of guys to get replaced myself, but I wouldn't make it my top priority. The Pack has bigger fish to fry this offseason.

My Browns' defense played really well this year, but the offense was atrocious. We need a new QB, and I really want it to be Robert Griffin III. Todd McShay's latest mock draft has us getting him and WR Michael Floyd, which I'd really love to see happen, especially being a Notre Dame fan as well, but I don't think there's much chance of that actually happening in reality. But if we could get the two of them, and then shore up the right side of the offensive line later on in the draft, I could see a dramatic improvement in our record next year.

Blind optimism. It's a necessary thing to have as a Browns fan. The team is basically my religion; I don't have real evidence to support it, but I have faith that one day they will be good.

 Haha. Well the Browns currently seem devoted to building through the draft, which is generally a good long-term sign (assuming your scouting/GM doesn't suck), so I can see why there'd be some room for optimism, especially since you guys pick both early and often (thank you Atlanta!). And while I'm not at all on the Griffin bandwagon (I honestly think the media love is primarily a product of them getting bored of Luck after so many years, and looking around the country for a new story), this draft class seems to be light on QBs. Who's the third best, the dude from A&M? Osweiler?
 
 I'm curious to hear what you think of your running game, though.
 
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2012, 06:14:41 PM
I'm curious to hear what you think of your running game, though.
 

Hillis was really good when he played; he had more than 600 yards playing only half the games this season. If he and the management can get on better terms I'd love to have him back.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 15, 2012, 04:24:47 PM
I'm curious to hear what you think of your running game, though.
 

Hillis was really good when he played; he had more than 600 yards playing only half the games this season. If he and the management can get on better terms I'd love to have him back.

Yeah, what was that all about? I know he wanted a bigger paycheck and all, but he seems to have done it the wrong way. Aren't you afraid he's alienated everyone already? Or were those reports overblown?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
He did do it the wrong way, but the Browns aren't exactly in a position to be turning away players with the kind of talent he's demonstrated unless they have no other choice. If they can find a way to get past what happened they really need to.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 15, 2012, 05:18:22 PM
I think Hillis was a one-year wonder. I might eat my words, but I don't think he'll ever be an effective running back again.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2012, 05:46:30 PM
Like I said, he had over 600 yards in the half a season he played, which would be really good performance if extended over the full 16.  Fucking Madden curse, man. If they hash out a contract and he stays healthy I believe he can return to greatness. Unless they draft Trent Richardson, which in my opinion would be the worst thing they could realistically do with that pick, there's pretty much no way they could do any better than that.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2012, 04:01:49 PM
I'm between the two of you. My gut says that Hillis isn't going to replicate his performance from two years ago. But logic says that he should be given a shot at it.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 04:25:35 PM
If we were to get RGIII and help at receiver and O-line it would make it a lot easier for Hillis to do well. We haven't had a legitimate deep passing game since Derek Anderson in 2007, which is depressing on so many different levels, so if we established that, especially with Griffin's ability to run, Hillis would be able to find a lot more holes to run through.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2012, 04:47:39 PM
If we were to get RGIII and help at receiver and O-line it would make it a lot easier for Hillis to do well. We haven't had a legitimate deep passing game since Derek Anderson in 2007, which is depressing on so many different levels, so if we established that, especially with Griffin's ability to run, Hillis would be able to find a lot more holes to run through.

For the type of money he's demanding though, Hillis should perform like Jones-Drew II!

On a more serious note, Holmgren is a West-Coast type, so you guys neither have nor probably will get legitimate deep threats (or am I missing someone?). But that's okay, because spreading a defense horizontally is just as beneficial for a strong running game...so long as your runner is willing to pound the holes, and not consistently hold out for home runs. Hillis is built to do that, but CJ's listless performance this season has made me overly leery of glory-seeking RBs. It shouldn't be an issue, but...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
After the season he had, though, nobody's going to give him big money. He's going to have to settle. Of the few deep passes we got this season out of McCoy, most went to Cribbs, who definitely has the speed to get past most defenders as well as work in the middle of the field; I'm not suggesting they'll go deep all the time, just have enough of a threat to do so to keep defenses honest, which McCoy just doesn't have.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 22, 2012, 09:45:43 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Packers reached agreement with TE Jermichael Finley on a 2-year, $15 million deal.

Neal am cry?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 22, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
Fucking Finley...

If he can get back to his Monday Night Finley days, I'll be fine with it. Also, if he shuts his goddamn mouth.

Now franchise tag Flynn and trade his ass to the Dolphins.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 22, 2012, 10:01:54 PM
They'd better line up a buyer first, or they'll be paying $15 million to a backup. And who do you want from the Dolphins in exchange?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on February 22, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
I haven't even thought about that since I figured Finley would get the tag.

I'd say draft picks, since they're usually fun. I also see the Redskins, Browns, and Seahawks are potential suitors in descending order after the Dolphins.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 22, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
The Browns would be the most interesting, I think. They need a good QB, and they've currently got draft picks galore, scattered both high and low in multiple rounds. As a bonus, insanolord can either look back and praise or curse this day, depending on whether Flynn ultimately shapes up to be Rich Gannon or Matt Cassel!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 22, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
I don't want Flynn, especially if we have to trade for him. I'd take Griffin over Flynn if I had to choose straight up, and even for him I wouldn't want to give up much of anything beyond that 4th overall pick.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on February 22, 2012, 10:32:33 PM
So it'd be doubly-interesting because you'd curse this day from the get-go! :D

On a more serious note, I'd share your concerns. It's easy to love the backup, and Flynn's been pretty good when he's stepped up, but that doesn't always translate to long-term success. Caleb Hanie, anyone?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 24, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
I've come to the conclusion that if the Browns trade all their high picks this year to get Robert Griffin he'll end up being another Brady Quinn or Colt McCoy, but if we pass on him he'll have a Hall of Fame career. I guess that's the kind of mindset you develop after a while as a Browns fan.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2012, 07:29:12 AM
Robert Griffin just ran a 4.38 in the 40 yard dash. That's good for a running back and unreal for a QB. I'm finding it harder and harder to make a real argument against the Browns moving up for him.

EDIT: I'm going to have a nervous breakdown over this RG3 situation and the draft isn't even for another two months. I have way too much emotionally invested in the Cleveland Browns.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on February 26, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
I'd be happy if the Saints get a star safety and linebacker.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on February 26, 2012, 01:00:47 PM
I don't think we'll see too many personnel changes on the offensive side this year (except maybe on the o-line). I'm betting drafting a safety this year will be a top Saints priority.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on March 01, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Hillis thought about joining the CIA? JP, wtf is up with the players on the Browns? Will Colt McCoy become a wild west sheriff next year?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 01, 2012, 05:29:58 PM
Well he's certainly got the name for it.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on March 05, 2012, 10:27:58 AM
So let's talk penalties. I'm guessing the Saints get hit with the loss of a draft pick, the fines total less than a million for all involved, but Williams gets suspended for a few games.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 05, 2012, 02:01:50 PM
And their Super Bowl win over the Colts should be taken away.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on March 06, 2012, 12:59:01 PM
Don't be silly, that's way too far back. Just restart this year's NFC playoffs, starting after the first round, and substitute the Lions for the Saints. Whoever wins this new playoff is retroactively the Super Bowl champ!

Seriously though, I find this situation somewhat delicious. It seems to be a widespread and long-lasting practice, but Goodell  has huffed and puffed so much about player safety recently that he can't let this go lightly. It'll be fun to see what tack he ultimately settles on. Hypocrisy Alert: I wouldn't want to be Williams right now...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on March 06, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NFL first talk to saints about this after their Super Bowl win? Or at least around that time?

I don't think they should lose their trophy, but I think this goes further back than you think.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2012, 02:07:31 PM
Taking away a Superbowl win?  There has been an NFL champion every single year since 1920 and you want to retroactively take one away?  I think it would do much more harm to the league to have a vacant spot in their championship history than to have people think "hey the Saints cheated for that title".  The Saints should be punished but by harming their future like with lost draft picks, suspensions, etc.  Changing the past actually punishes the rest of the league more than anything else.

I don't like what the Saints did but they really are just the guys who got caught.  Other teams do this and odds are some other Superbowl team has.  That doesn't make it right but the league let this slide and now has to crack down on it.  They only recently got all gung-ho about safety and that is why they're making such a big stink of it.  I wouldn't want a Superbowl title vacated because the phonies in the league office decided to make an example of someone to "show" how safety conscious they are.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2012, 03:25:41 PM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NFL first talk to saints about this after their Super Bowl win? Or at least around that time?

I don't think they should lose their trophy, but I think this goes further back than you think.

The NFL does say they did it during the 2009 (when they won the Super Bowl), 2010, and 2011 seasons.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 07, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
It was speculated for months, but the Colts officially released Peyton Manning today. Without a doubt the reason was so they could avoid having to pay him a $28 million bonus tomorrow if he was still on the roster. The man led them to 11 playoffs appearences, 2 AFC Championships, and a Super Bowl, and they dump him. The guy is the face of the Colts team. Oh well, some other team will pick up this future Hall of Famer (hopefully not the Miami Dolphins, who are considered one of the leading teams to sign him, since the Bills don't need a even harder time). Most people expect the Colts to now draft either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2012, 09:06:10 AM
Seeing Peyton Manning on another team next year is going to be very weird.  Though not seeing him play at all last year was weird in itself.  Can I dream that he ends up on the Seahawks?

I think the Colts should draft Luck.  That was the whole thing this season, "suck for Luck".  Luck has been the hyped up guy for over a year.  Griffin is the guy for which there was suddenly a buzz.  Every sport has that "oh wait, maybe THIS guy is the best player of the draft" guy.  He's a trick.  Stick with the conventional pick.  Every hyped up draft pick reachs a point where the media runs out of things to say so they grab someone else and run "is player b actually better than player a?" stories.  At the very least if Luck turns out to be a bust the Colts have an excuse.  "Hey, he was the consensus number one pick.  What else did you expect us to do?"  It's when you think outside the box with the number one pick and get a bust that you get raked over the coals.  Griffin being a bust while Luck becomes a star would be far worse for Indy than the other way around.  Luck is the safe pick.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on March 08, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the NFL first talk to saints about this after their Super Bowl win? Or at least around that time?

I don't think they should lose their trophy, but I think this goes further back than you think.

I didn't hear that they talked to the Saints about it then, but it's widely reported that every Williams team for the past decade-plus has done something similar. That means the Saints, Redskins, Bills, and Titans are all implicated. And then there's all the rumors of basically every other team in the league doing something similar...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 08, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
I hope Peyton goes to Miami (mainly so that I can officially be a Miami fan, and also to smite TJ Spyke). Miami hasn't had a good quarterback since Dan Marino, and Manning would be the perfect guy for Matt Moore to train under and take over in a couple of years.

Chad Henne sucks, btw.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2012, 04:28:01 AM
I'd like to see the Cardinals get him, but Miami would be great too.

As for the colts picking between Luck and Griffin, it depends on what they plan to accomplish. Do they want another, younger Peyton in Luck? Or do they want the next Cam Newton?

Either way, you're destined to have a great QB. I would prefer Griffin simply because he's more athletic and can do the things, say, that Aaron Rodgers can do (scramble and get the 1st if nothing is there).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2012, 09:15:01 AM
Luck can run too; he doesn't have the speed of Griffin, but he's definitely mobile enough to scramble for a first down when he needs to.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 09, 2012, 08:04:09 PM
Could insanolord be ready to deal with the Browns not getting RG3? It's no secret that the Redskins need a new quarterback (and Peyton Manning rejected them earlier today). There have just been reports that that Redskins have reached a deal with the Rams (which won't be official until the league season starts next week) to give the Redskins the #2 draft pick. The Redskins would give the Rams their #7 draft pick for this year, plus future 1st round picks and other draft picks (including a 2nd round pick). This means that the top two quarterbacks in the draft will be gone before the Browns get their chance since the Colts will almost definitely take Luck or Griffin and the Redskins will take the other.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
I want RG3, but not having to give up our three picks in the top 36 would mean we could grab a receiver, another o-lineman and maybe a running back and give Colt McCoy one more shot with a bit more talent around him. If that doesn't work, we're likely to have another high pick next year to grab Matt Barkley or whoever else is there. I'd rather have RG3, but that's not such a bad second choice.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Ian Sane on March 12, 2012, 02:28:22 PM
Apparently Peyton Manning has blown off Seattle, not even giving the Seahawks a visit like he's done with Denver and Arizona.  Seahawks too sucky, I guess?  I wish Peyton at least heard the team out.  Refusing to visit just comes across like him never giving the Seahawks a second thought.

What it interesting is that Denver appears to be the frontrunner.  Last season when Tebow was pulling miracle wins out of his ass, it seemed like John Elway was annoyed.  It's like he didn't think Tebow was any good (and Tebow IS a pretty lousy passer) and all this winning the division and winning a playoff game was no good because it suggested that maybe he was WRONG.  I've never seen a guy come across as more reluctant about doing well.  If he can get Petyon he can get the type of quarterback he REALLY wants, instead of an unconventional one that happens to win regardless.  Broncos fans were thrilled with Tebow Time last season and Elway is following it up by replacing the player that all the fuss was about in the first place.  Now Manning is probably the only quarterback that could replace Tebow without the fans turning on ownership, so they picked the right guy to go after.  And Manning is CLEARLY a better quarterback than Tebow.

So what happens now?  Do they trade Tebow away?  Do they bench him?  And what if Manning DOESN'T sign with them?  They just told their starting quarterback that they have no faith in him and their fanbase that he isn't the quarterback they really want.  A big talking point with Tebow fans was that the Broncos were not giving him a fair chance to show what he can do and this would just confirm those accusations.  "Thanks for leading us to the second round of the playoffs.  We're pursuing your replacement."  I think this only works if Manning does sign with them AND he performs at his pre-injury level.  Otherwise it looks like they stabbed their most popular player in the back.

Of course Tebow seems like a humble enough guy to not get all pouty about it and get into some feud with management.  But in a way that makes it worse.  They know he's not a primadona that will act like a dick about this so they figure they can get away with it.  Other players would be twittering angry comments about Elway.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 12, 2012, 05:47:29 PM
Tebow sucks at passing, and handing off, plain and simple. He can run, but he is a terrible quarterback (at least by NFL standards). He should be used to getting crucified though...
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 12, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
It's being reported that Randy Moss has signed a one-year contract with the 49ers. If he can play like the old Moss (and not the 2010 version of himself) and the 49ers can re-sign Smith, they could do very well.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 19, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
So, barring any unforeseen problems in the negotiations, it appears Peyton Manning is a Denver Bronco. If that goes through, the talk is Tebow being traded to Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
I hadn't heard about the Jaguars part. If that happens, Jaguars fans will be happy since I remember them saying how much they wanted Tebow on the team (since he played college in Florida).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 19, 2012, 03:54:06 PM
Jacksonville needs a reason for people to care about the team, and Tebow would draw people in anywhere, but especially there.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 19, 2012, 04:07:32 PM
Looks like I'm a Broncos fan now. Damn it. I guess Tebow is better than nobody for Jax...but not much better.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on March 19, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
Tebow in Miami. Book it.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 19, 2012, 05:59:18 PM
No way. Miami isn't *that* desperate.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on March 19, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
Yeah, they went out and got David Gerrard.

Desperate isn't the word. Tanking is.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 19, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
And so begins the Matt Barkley sweepstakes.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
In other QB news, the Seahawks signed Packers back-up Matt Flynn to a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2012, 04:22:44 PM
Well, the Jets get Tebow and the Saints just got royally fucked. What. A. Day.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 21, 2012, 04:25:04 PM
Not quite, looks like the Jets deal might not happen because they found out they would have to pay the Broncos $5 million for bonuses the Broncos paid Tebow. It's the same reason the Jaguars backed out of trade talks for Tebow.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2012, 06:40:03 PM
Well, now it's official (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7720305/new-york-jets-denver-broncos-complete-tim-tebow-trade-second-time).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 21, 2012, 06:43:13 PM
Poor Tebow. Last season he lead the Broncos to the playoffs, now he will be the back-up to Mark Sanchez.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Elway has to be really happy right now. He got Tebow out of town without everyone hating him, has 2-3 years of being a solid contender with Manning, and a couple draft picks to boot. Josh McDaniels really fucked that team over (think about it: they could have the really good defense they have now plus Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and Brandon Lloyd on offense if not for him), but they seem to be headed in the right direction.


Poor Tebow. Last season he lead the Broncos to the playoffs, now he will be the back-up to Mark Sanchez.


Tebow didn't lead the team to the playoffs; the defense did. Also, that division was objectively awful last year, so winning it wasn't really any accomplishment. And he'll be more than a backup; with Sparano as their OC you can bet they'll have him running a significant amount of Wildcat-type plays, which he's well suited for. That plus his very needed positive presence in the locker room means this could be a win for the Jets if it works out right.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 21, 2012, 08:40:18 PM
Tebow didn't lead **** to ****. Sparano sucks though, he wasn't good enough for Miami...can't imagine he'll do much for the Jets.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 21, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
The Broncos were doing terrible before he took over as QB, and was the leading cause to their late-game rallies. He wasn't the best QB last season, but the Broncos would have done worse without him.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Stogi on March 21, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
Not having our draft picks sucks DICK.

Not having our head coach sucks DONKEY DICK (especially one as sharp as Payton). But at least Brees wasn't standing on the sidelines waiting for orders. He actively shapes the play before, during and after the games.

Let's see if he steps up into a more prominent role smoothly.

It's going to be a rough road ahead. But luckily, any wins we manage to get will be through a handi-cap, and thus garner more respect.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 09:19:25 PM

The Broncos were doing terrible before he took over as QB, and was the leading cause to their late-game rallies. He wasn't the best QB last season, but the Broncos would have done worse without him.

The Broncos had exactly one win against a quality team last season, and it came with Kyle Orton at QB: Week 2 against the Bengals. The other three games under Orton were three point losses to fairly decent teams and the lone blowout to the insanely-hot-at-the-time Packers. They were far from terrible. All the wins with Tebow at the helm were against bad teams, and the odds are good that they'd have won those with or without him. His success was a product of the schedule.

Tim Tebow is not even remotely capable of playing QB in an NFL offense, and barring a miraculous improvement in passing accuracy he never will be.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 21, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
Not having our draft picks sucks DICK.

Not having our head coach sucks DONKEY DICK (especially one as sharp as Payton). But at least Brees wasn't standing on the sidelines waiting for orders. He actively shapes the play before, during and after the games.

Let's see if he steps up into a more prominent role smoothly.

It's going to be a rough road ahead. But luckily, any wins we manage to get will be through a handi-cap, and thus garner more respect.

The Saints could get more punishments, the league is talking with the Players Union about punishments for the players too. A good article I read pointed out that the punishment is so severe because the Saints were stupid enough to document the program (I don't doubt other teams have or had similar verbal bounty programs).
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2012, 03:41:55 PM
We're just over an hour away from the start of the draft. Who is everyone hoping their team gets?

I'd be happy with either Richardson or Claiborne going to the Browns.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 26, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Are the Browns even a team still?
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2012, 03:48:18 PM
Technically, yes.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
****, ****, goddamned motherfucking Browns. Brandon fucking Weeden? They needed help at receiver and offensive line, and they ignored great options at those positions to take fucking 30 year old quarterback.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on May 02, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
He'll be ready to go on Day One Thousand!

Anyhow, I didn't really see much stick out from that draft, aside from Seattle way overreaching with its first pick. Now that it's over, I've heard a bunch of talking heads claim that, Luck, RGIII, and Robinson aside, this was apparently a weak draft. *shrug*
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: nickmitch on May 02, 2012, 10:18:19 AM
Saints player suspensions have been handed out. (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/05/new_orleans_saints_player_susp.html) Not as bad as it could've been, but losing Vilma for a year is gonna hurt a bit. May end his career.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on May 02, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
Junior Seau: 1969 - 2012 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7882750/former-nfl-linebacker-great-junior-seau-dies-43)

Apparent suicide by gunshot to the chest. Allegedly, he wanted to keep his brain intact so they could test for football-related damage.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on May 03, 2012, 08:06:24 AM
Another one? :( I always liked Seau. He seemed nice, based on my superficial knowledge.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: Shaymin on May 03, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
Between the Saints bounty stuff and Seau, there's an old quote from a newspaper columnist up here:

"I love football, but if it was invented yesterday they'd ban it tomorrow".
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2012, 06:44:40 PM
So we having another thread created for 2012? Did I just miss it? Or is insanolord too pessimistic about his Browns, and Neal so let down by the Packers? :P
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2012, 06:47:15 PM
There's no such thing as too pessimistic when it comes to the Browns.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2012, 06:50:01 PM
Scuttlebutt has it that the arrows are pointing up for the franchise under the new ownership, but everyone seems to doubt that there'll be much progress made in the W/L column this year. Playing in what's probably the toughest AFC division doesn't help much on that account.

Personally, I'll measure their improvement by how much of their games I can stomach before completely blacking that screen out. Over/under is now at five, up from last year's three!
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 16, 2012, 06:55:29 PM
The Packers won the Super Bowl two years ago. They went 15-1 last year. I can't complain too much. Being a Yankee fan hasn't made me that desensitized to consistent winning.
Title: Re: Official 2011 NFL Discussion: Lockout, schmockout!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2012, 07:25:58 PM
The Browns had a top 10 defense last year; they would have won twice as many games if anybody besides Phil Dawson had been able to score points for them. With Richardson and Weeden coming in, as well as a couple intriguing rookie receivers in Josh Gordon and Travis Benjamin, the offense should be better this year. Unfortunately, significant parts of our defense will be out for 3-6 games at the start of the season, with four starters being out due to injuries and suspensions to start the year.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2012, 07:52:04 PM
Since making a new thread is too much work, and since I made this thread and am also a mod so I have the ability, I just changed the name of this one.

Welcome everyone to the Official 2011 2012 NFL Discussion!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
Let's just roll a new thread.

Are we doing the pool this year?  If it wasn't for that horrible first week I may have made something of myself.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on August 21, 2012, 07:32:03 PM


Are we doing the pool this year?  If it wasn't for that horrible first week I may have made something of myself.

I hope so. It was fun having my failures thrown in my face on a weekly basis. If no one else is interested, I'd be willing to set it up. But time's running out.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
I talked to Neal and he's going to set up a pool for this year tomorrow.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on August 22, 2012, 06:05:05 PM
Yay, less work for me! ^_^
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 27, 2012, 07:36:03 AM
http://nwrf.football.cbssports.com/e

Same one as last year, so if you signed up then, you should still be in it.

I did change it to pick for/against the spread this year instead of straight up, so adjust your talents accordingly.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on August 27, 2012, 08:01:14 AM
I've got all the dust settled and it seems if you are an old timer you can just sort of cancel on the password and it seems to work.

So we should be able to start picks on the 29th because the start of the season is the 5th correct?  This year I'm going to do some more research and start strong.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on August 27, 2012, 08:25:40 AM
That's for the minor leagues*. The NFL kickoff is September 5, and the pre-season ends on the 30th so picks will open up sometime after then.

* I will continue to refer to college football as the "minor leagues" until their playoff kicks in. Come at me, Mike.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 27, 2012, 08:47:59 AM
Password is starfox for the league, by the way.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 27, 2012, 02:07:10 PM
It's not working for me, I need the password.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 27, 2012, 08:14:00 PM
Reading comprehension, bro.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 27, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
Sorry, I was still on the previous page. I'm bad about not realizing there's another one.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 05:36:16 AM
So at what point in his career can we label Vince Young a flop? He struggled as a backup for the Eagles last season, and got cut in the preseason this year as a backup for the Bills. He wouldn't be the first good/great college player to fail in the NFL.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2012, 05:44:25 AM
He's not even the first great college QB from that draft class to fail in the NFL. He and Matt Leinart, the two QBs in the 2006 National Championship game, often cited as one of the greatest college football games ever, have been huge flops in the NFL.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on August 30, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
For the curious, the picks are now live.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 02, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
I have done precisely as much research this year as I did last, and eagerly look to repeat my almost-.500 performance. Let's do this!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 05, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
Welp, my season started as well as I thought it would. ^_^

:(
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2012, 07:59:36 AM
Welp...  NFR crew is batting 0...
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 06, 2012, 08:12:29 AM
I have no issue with this.

If I was a betting man, I would have gone Giants, but as a Packer fan and a fan of football, I was rooting for the underdog and against the team that ended my team's season last year.

A good game, though. It was enjoyable and oh man, football is back! Now I can get ready to **** my pants continiously from like 4:15 to 7:30 on Sunday as the Packers play the Niners and I watch it with my Niner fan friend.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
So the Browns have canceled plans for a short tribute to Art Modell before tomorrow's game against the Eagles, at the request of his family. Probably for the best, because Cleveland fans wouldn't have been portrayed in the best light by a stadium full of people booing through a moment of silence for someone who just died.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 09, 2012, 01:38:03 PM
Alright I'm a little confused this year.  What are those +/- scores, I would assume there handicaps.  How in the world am I suppose to call games if I didn't see those numbers to begin with?  If I would have known before had that Cleveland had an 8.5 handicap I would have easily picked them because I thought it be a close game.

Why aren't we just doing Win/Lose this year?

How do I know the spread to begin with?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 09, 2012, 01:53:39 PM
The spread is shown on the page where you make the picks.

So far, the Browns look a lot like they did last year, with a really good defense but absolutely no offense. Really nowhere to go but up for Brandon Weeden after that performance, and the lack of a preseason really showed for Richardson.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 09, 2012, 05:52:25 PM
Would anyone want us to do a weekly Connectivity segment that's like 10 minutes long and has a consistent group of NWR staffers picking a few games each week? I kind of want to do it, but idk.

Also, man, that Packers/Niners game was a bummer. The Pack got what they deserved for playing so flat for half the game (at least), but they showed promising signs of life at the end, and I'm hopeful for a solid showing against the Bears this week.

Though the new refs are terrible, and there were tons of blown calls both for/against the Packers. Not enough to totally change the tide of the game, but enough that it is an issue. There is one drive in particular where two no-calls on blatant pass interference stalled a drive that made me angry.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 10, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
I'd listen to that weekly segment. More NFL talk is always better.

I enjoyed the Packers game, although the defense certainly had plenty of miscues during the first half (which is all I got to see). I was expecting the offense to perform a bit better, but then I have a ton of respect for the Niners' defense, so I can't complain when their coverage is that tight.

The refs were pretty bad, though. At least they blew calls both ways.

My questions for the week are 1) is Sean Payton's playcalling the missing ingredient in New Orleans? 2) How did the Eagles win that one?! 3) Are the Eagles going to suck sweaty donkey balls this year? 4) Is the Broncos' offense as good as they looked in the second half, or is the Steelers' age finally showing?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 10, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
1) I'd say the defense is the worst part of the Saints. AFAIK, Payton only does playcalling on offense, right? Offense could have been better, but the defense got schooled by RGIII. Not undervaluing RGIII's incredible performance, but rookie QB lit up a defense. Never good.

2) Brandon Weeden.

3) Probably. Brandon Weeden almost beat them.

4) Mix of both.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Payton does the playcalling as well as the pregame prep for the offense, and the offense did end up looking pretty flat at times. I never expected them to go three-and-out back to back like that. They started to come alive again towards the end, but the middle part of the game...it was like the playoff game against the Niners all over again, but their opponent was scoring and there was no Patrick Willis on the other end.

And now I feel like I have to see some Brandon Weeden...highlights...?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 11, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/video-brandon-weeden-enveloped-american-flag-during-pregame-124019477--nfl.html
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 11:53:26 AM
That article lambasted the dude. Now I feel sorry for the guy! :D
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 11, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
Just watch the video where he gets attacked by the American flag.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
Just watch the video where he gets attacked by the American flag.

Oh I did. "Look at the confidence and maturity!"  ;D
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 16, 2012, 05:38:43 PM
Much better week for my Browns, even though they lost by a wider margin. Trent Richardson had a breakout performance showing everybody why he was the #3 pick in the draft, and Brandon Weeden looked poised, confident, and moved the ball down the field for two TDs and no interceptions. The main reason they lost was they were without both starting corners due to Haden's dumb suspension and whatever reason Sheldon Brown was out; if their secondary had been at full strength they'd have won the game.

In fantasy football news, I <3 C.J. Spiller, who got me 29 points today, and that plus Eli(te) Manning's 35 have me running away with it this week.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 17, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
There were a ton of surprises yesterday, most of them pleasant from my perspective. Of course, now I have little idea what to expect from some teams, most notably New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Baltimore.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 17, 2012, 12:03:31 PM
The refs fucking up entire games wasn't that big of a surprise.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 21, 2012, 08:17:29 AM
It's being reported that Time Warner and the NFL have come to an agreement and the NFL Network (and the Red Zone channel) will be on Time Warner Cable before next week's game, eliminating one of my biggest complaints about the company.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 21, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
More football is always better imo!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on September 23, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
I'm assuming Mr. Leahy is enjoying Belichick's tears this evening.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 24, 2012, 04:42:59 AM
Bright House just picked up NFL Network yesterday, woohoo!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on September 24, 2012, 09:37:17 AM
If Arizona is going to be good I don't know what to do with the NFL. At least the Browns are terrible as usual.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 24, 2012, 12:59:06 PM
Raise your hand if you saw the current standings coming!

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 24, 2012, 02:26:48 PM
I would have thought Miami would be 0-3. The Texans being 3-0 is the only record that makes sense, but it won't last.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2012, 02:30:10 PM
Actually, I (and I am not the only one) am shocked Houston are somehow 3-0. I am happy that the Bills are 2-1, good start for them.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
You shouldn't be. They've got the best running back in the league, a great, if underappreciated, QB, and a really good defense. They'd have probably won the Super Bowl last year if not for injuries.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 24, 2012, 09:15:19 PM
Well that game was certainly...something.

Can't blame it all on the refs, though. Seattle's D is very good, but they shouldn't have eviscerated the Pack's offense like that. Green Bay basically pissed away a full half.

That said, Tate has to be on someone's fantasy team. Or Shields slept with someone's daughter. Maybe both.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 24, 2012, 09:47:23 PM
Yo guys. I'm out until the real refs come back. I can't support something that heinously robbed a victory from the Packers and questionably robbed a victory from the Patriots (though, I mean, screw the Patriots).

I'll still keep up with any fantasy leagues where money is on the line, but I won't bother with the NWR one since it doesn't have any financial bearing for me. I implore anyone who enjoys the sport to stop watching as well, as it might be the only way that the NFL will actually pay the refs.

I hope to be back to watching the NFL next weekend, but who knows.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
This is Neal's Bayonetta 2 moment.

STOLEN FROM US
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 24, 2012, 10:25:26 PM
The difference is that Bayonetta 2 couldn't exist without Nintendo. The NFL can exist with real referees. :P
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
Since my team is irrelevant and I honestly don't care whether or not they win games, I really don't feel the need to boycott over this. I feel bad for the fans of contending teams that can and have been screwed over by this, though.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on September 24, 2012, 10:41:45 PM
BRING ME THE PECTORALS OF ED HOCHULI
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 24, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
Fun fact: The last two Super Bowl teams wouldn't have made the playoffs if they lost one more game! Ain't this **** wacky?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Soren on September 24, 2012, 10:47:33 PM
If anything, this controversy brought out the best in twitter. Quality lulz to be had all around. This one from Rembert Browne was the best IMO:

Quote
The Packers are pulling the risky, but legendary "they can't suspend us all" trick every 12th grade class considers come Senior Skip Day.

What a horrible game.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2012, 11:04:12 PM
IM SO ANGRY AS A FOOTBALL FAN RIGHT NOW /Bayonetta 2

You know how this is going to look ten years from now in the record books? Hawks won. Packers lost.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on September 25, 2012, 07:36:33 AM
I don't actually watch football games. I just do fantasy and pick games and stuff. I have watched more this year than in the past because these officials are hilarious.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jBIcgHq1k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jBIcgHq1k) This got me interested. The twitter feeds are gold on Sundays.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on September 25, 2012, 09:09:37 AM
Well as a Seahawks fan I'm obviously glad they won the game but they clearly shouldn't have.  I can see ruling a touchdown on the field because it was hard to see what happened and a double catch goes to the offence.  But they reviewed the play!  How do you watch that replay and not see it as a Green Bay interception?!  The only thing I can think of is that since it was a Seattle home game the ref was scared of the reaction of the home crowd finding out they lost when they were made to believe they had won only a minute before.

Roger Goodell has got to phone the ref's union today to set a deal.  The only thing that could be worse than this would be if a replacement ref was caught rigging a game for gambling.  What shocks me is that these refs are refs in some capacity in the real world.  It isn't like the NFL literally just grabbed random people off the street.  If you can referee a high school or some low level college game surely you can make some of these calls correct.  I swear I could do an equal job with the ZERO reffing experience I have now.

The defence was awesome though.  8 sacks in the first half?!  YEAH!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on September 25, 2012, 11:08:05 AM
Well, these guys are refs at much lower levels of football. The rule sets are different and the play isn't nearly as fast. It's easier to officiate when the players aren't very good.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 26, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
But they reviewed the play!  How do you watch that replay and not see it as a Green Bay interception?!  The only thing I can think of is that since it was a Seattle home game the ref was scared of the reaction of the home crowd finding out they lost when they were made to believe they had won only a minute before.

The ruling on the field ultimately became a simultaneous catch. That's non-reviewable. I imagine the guys in the booth (who are not replacements, by the by) were desperately trying to find evidence that Jennings and/or Tate landed out of bounds, therefore resulting in an incomplete pass, but since that was clearly not the case, the call had to stand.


Now I'm curious as to how many Packers are going to get fined/suspended by Mr. I Am The Law. The team seems to be trying a "they can't suspend us all!" approach. Should be interesting to see the results!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 26, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
Since the play took place in the end zone, the simultaneous catch WAS reviewable. Seems the current bullshit story is there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. The whole process of it was totally ridiculous. The refs are supposed to confer with the head ref until they reach a conclusion, but that never happened.

But, hopefully this will start to behind us because the real refs should return by, at the latest, Week 5.

Though if the Packers miss out on something by a game.....
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 26, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
Since the play took place in the end zone, the simultaneous catch WAS reviewable. Seems the current bullshit story is there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. The whole process of it was totally ridiculous. The refs are supposed to confer with the head ref until they reach a conclusion, but that never happened.

But, hopefully this will start to behind us because the real refs should return by, at the latest, Week 5.

Though if the Packers miss out on something by a game.....

Why would it make a difference if it's in the end zone or not? So many of the review rules seem arbitrary for the sake of being arbitrary...
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 26, 2012, 11:40:50 AM
Come on back, Neal.

"@AdamSchefter
As @mortreport is reporting, an agreement between NFL and NFLRA is at hand and both sides will work to have officials working this weekend. "
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 26, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Since the play took place in the end zone, the simultaneous catch WAS reviewable. Seems the current bullshit story is there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. The whole process of it was totally ridiculous. The refs are supposed to confer with the head ref until they reach a conclusion, but that never happened.

But, hopefully this will start to behind us because the real refs should return by, at the latest, Week 5.

Though if the Packers miss out on something by a game.....

Why would it make a difference if it's in the end zone or not? So many of the review rules seem arbitrary for the sake of being arbitrary...

I agree on the arbitrariness, but that's what the rules say.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on September 26, 2012, 02:42:51 PM
If it's in the end zone, it's a scoring play and the rule is all scoring plays are reviewable.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 26, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
That's not what we're saying, though.

In the NFL, some plays/aspects of plays aren't reviewable.

Examples:

The blatant pass interference on that play (Seahwks Tate pushing Packers Shields down) isn't reviewable on replay.
A ball that goes over the uprights isn't reviewable either (explains the Pats/Ravens debacle)

If that play was not in the end zone and say, a coach challenged it, the simultaneous catch could not be reviewed. It's weird and arcane, but them's the rules.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on September 26, 2012, 04:29:35 PM
The NFL's rules for what is or isn't reviewable are pretty inconsistent.  I can see not allowing reviews for judgment calls like most penalities.  You can't really review pass interference or holding.  Those rely too much on the ref's discretion.  It isn't black and while like spotting the ball or a fumble or if something is in bounds or in the end zone, etc.  But a simultaneous catch does not rely on the ref's discretion that much.  They'll review if a receiver caught a ball and this is no different - did both guys actually catch the ball or did one guy just put his hands on after the other guy caught it?

Though since coaches only have two challenges does it matter if we make EVERY call reviewable?  It isn't like the coaches will abuse the system.  They can't!  They have a limited amount of challenges.  So if they want to waste their challenge on whether holding occured or not the ref can watch the replay and say "yep, seeing the replay I still consider it holding.  You lose a timeout."

Reading more into the rules, if this occured with the normal refs would we be mad at the league instead for having a dumb rule like we did when Calvin Johnson had a touchdown taken away on a really stupid rule?  What is more offensive?  That the refs made the wrong initial call or that the review system apparently prohibits them from overturning it?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 27, 2012, 02:40:11 PM
Good points all around, ian. And to answer your question, this would be less likely to occur with regular refs, but if it did we'd probably be pissed off at both. I'm guessing the replacement refs are some of the happiest folks that the regular refs are returning...
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 27, 2012, 02:41:57 PM
I don't know, the replacements are probably making more money now than they ever did and it's unlikely they will ever get hired by the NFL.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on September 27, 2012, 02:49:51 PM
And how much of that are they going to have to spend on personal security? :P
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 27, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
I do wonder why the NFL hired a referee that even the Lingerie Football League fired for being incompetent (though he only reffed the Hall of Fame game).
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 04, 2012, 12:19:30 PM
I'm surprised to see that so many folks are picking the Panthers over the Seahawks. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 04, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
I don't think either team's that good, but Carolina has Cam Newton, who can be a game changer. I picked Seattle (well, Seattle plus 3 1/2) in the NWR pool, though.


The question I have is will the Browns be able to continue their streak? In all of the last four seasons, they've beaten the defending Super Bowl champion, going back to their surprise beatdown of the Giants on Monday Night Football in 2008. They play the Giants this Sunday, and their defense has been solid (although still missing Joe Haden one more game) and Weeden and Richardson are starting to click, so we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 04, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
Hmm. I really doubt it, based on what I've seen of both teams so far, but then I haven't found the Giants super-impressive. I voted for the Giants and I feel quite comfortable about it, but then I didn't know about that stat until just now.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Soren on October 04, 2012, 08:31:29 PM
From Elias: Greg Zuerlein's 53-yard FG gives him 4 FG of 50+ yards, tying the NFL record for most 50-yard FG by a rookie.


After just 5 games. Greg Zuerlein is bad ass.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
He also broke the Rams team record for longest field goal (60 yards), the longest field goal at Soldier Field (56 yards), first NFL players to have a 50+ and 60+ yard field goal in the same game, and tied the record for longest first quarter field goal (58 yards). VERY impressive.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2012, 07:32:33 AM
Back in the Tennessee Oilers/Early Titans day.  Del Greco and then his predecessor made it so that Tennessee always scored once they were in Field goal range.  Great kickers can be a real boom.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 07, 2012, 08:46:54 AM
If you told me a year ago that I'd be very upset by the fact that Mohammad Massaquoi would be missing a game, I'd have laughed at you. Turns out he's a pretty good receiver when he has a quarterback who can actually throw effectively. If he can get healthy again and Greg Little stops coating his hands in Vaseline before games, we've got a pretty decent receiving corps.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 07, 2012, 10:23:09 AM
What did I tell you people? The Browns are unstoppable against defending Super Bowl champions.

EDIT: Okay, maybe "unstoppable" was too strong a word.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 07, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
The lesson, as always; God hates Cleveland.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on October 07, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
Anybody using NBC's website to watch the games? It's awesome. You can switch between cameras, watch different angles at the same time and best of all, stay at the game during commercial breaks and timeouts.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on October 08, 2012, 06:44:45 AM
Anybody using NBC's website to watch the games? It's awesome. You can switch between cameras, watch different angles at the same time and best of all, stay at the game during commercial breaks and timeouts.
I didn't know you could.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 08, 2012, 07:40:49 AM
The last 5 minutes of the NO/SD game last night was nothing short of the refs handing the game to NO.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 09, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
The last 5 minutes of the NO/SD game last night was nothing short of the refs handing the game to NO.

"Saints can't go 0-5 again. We've already filmed the commercials!"
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 14, 2012, 04:39:58 PM
BROWNS WIN!!!!! 11-5, Super Bowl here we come!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 14, 2012, 04:59:53 PM
/me goes to check his picks

... I hate football sometimes.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 16, 2012, 10:57:15 AM
This "spread" thing is the worst idea ever!

On an unrelated note, I believe we all thought the entire AFC East would be 3-3 this time of the year, right?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 18, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
So I want to kick both Harbaughs in the groin. Ask me anything.

OK, I understand you have the 1-in-a-buttload chance of giving up a TD and field goal on consecutive kickoff returns, but if you get that you deserve to lose.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
This "spread" thing is the worst idea ever!

The whole point of having a spread is to make it harder to predict. If done properly, there's a 50-50 chance of getting it right.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 19, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
This "spread" thing is the worst idea ever!

The whole point of having a spread is to make it harder to predict. If done properly, there's a 50-50 chance of getting it right.

I understand that.

And after last night's game, this "spread" thing is the worst idea ever!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on October 19, 2012, 11:20:02 AM
I think the actual point of a spread is to bring in as much money as possible. It's not about 50/50 betting, it's about getting as many people to bet on it as they can. So the packers give 5.5 to the Rams because a lot of people are going to look at that and think "No way the packers don't cream the rams so I gotta bet on this. It's easy money." The house believes there's a strong chance the rams cover that number, and help themselves by making the odds low so someone has to put a good bit of money to make any money on that cover. If the line is 7 then a lot more people just don't bet at all. They know GB is going to win this game, but they're not sure if they're going to win by 7.
It's actually pretty genius.
Also, picking winners is boring. I mean. Not many people think the Jets have any chance at winning, but a few more people think the Jets have a chance to stay with 11 points of New England. And that's just a bit more fun to figure out. All that said, I think I've spent about seventeen seconds total figuring my picks out each week and it totally shows.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
It's to even the odds, to prevent the house from taking too many losses. If there's no spread in the Patriots-Jets game then everyone bets on the Pats to win because they're much more likely to, most likely causing those taking the bets to lose money.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on October 22, 2012, 11:52:07 AM
Glad to say yesterday's results were largely predictable. Normally that'd be boring, but considering how many sub-.500 (non-spread) weeks I've had this year, it's a refreshing change of pace. And boost to the ego!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 22, 2012, 04:36:08 PM
Kinda stings to have a 11-1 week straight up only get you 7-5, but... yeah, after last week I'll take it.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Louieturkey on October 26, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
Tim for Shaymin to figure out the spread.

Anyone else think that the Bucs would score like the did yesterday?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2012, 05:52:20 PM
Only those of us that remember that the Bucs are under-performing and the Vikings overrated.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 07, 2012, 12:03:24 PM
It seems lots of folks are getting pretty high on the Saints. While I agree that the Falcons haven't had many serious tests yet, I'm surprised to see how narrow their projected win is.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on November 07, 2012, 08:07:06 PM
Well, it's a division rivalry, and those can almost always go either way no matter which team is hot.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 13, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Got to see the tie this weekend. Pretttttty awesome. By which I mean I'm glad neither team won, because neither team deserved to sniff victory.

And this spread thing is the worst idea ever.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
I've got two friends, brothers, and one of them is a Rams fan and the other a Niners fan. Haven't talked to them since Sunday, should be interesting to hear their response.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 13, 2012, 06:34:23 PM
When you do, PLEASE let me know what they said! :D
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
My guess is the Rams fan will be a lot happier than the Niners fan. It was basically a win for them, as bad as they've been for years now, and it hurts their division rival in terms of playoff seeding.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 13, 2012, 06:58:54 PM
Sure, but to get that far, and then repeatedly fail due to your own boneheaded mistakes, is like having that hot girl at the party flirt with you just to knee you in the crotch.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 07:23:52 PM
I know as a Browns fan, if they played the Steelers in a game like that I'd be upset about the mistakes but still pretty happy that it hurt them a lot more than it hurt us.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 13, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
Ah, schadenfreude!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on November 14, 2012, 05:44:59 PM
Poor Tim Tebow got his e-mail hacked (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1107/grantland_tebowinbox_1152.jpg). :(
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 11, 2012, 09:41:09 AM
I'm sad that there's no discussion in this thread anymore. :(
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 11, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
There's no stopping the Patriots, period. There, are you happy?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on December 11, 2012, 12:33:24 PM
Yeah my Saints are fuckedddd. So this season just became really uninteresting.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 11, 2012, 02:16:48 PM
At least the players finally won their appeal. http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/12/paul_tagliabue_rules_on_bounty.html (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/12/paul_tagliabue_rules_on_bounty.html)
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 11, 2012, 05:57:58 PM
That was a terrible decision. Those players were trying to take out (and injure) other players for money, and they deserve to be punished. The original punishments were justified, but the players union always supports the players no matter what (you could have a player brutally attack an innocent fan and the players union would still appeal a suspension or fine).
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 12, 2012, 05:20:28 AM
The Browns have won three in a row! Clearly, the December 21st apocalypse is happening.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2012, 10:58:46 AM
That was a terrible decision. Those players were trying to take out (and injure) other players for money, and they deserve to be punished. The original punishments were justified, but the players union always supports the players no matter what (you could have a player brutally attack an innocent fan and the players union would still appeal a suspension or fine).

That was not a terrible decision. The players were punished for putting up money and other things that the commissioner did not have enough evidence to prove they were doing. You can't have him issuing punishments (and taking away men's livelihoods) without some sort of due process. And if they all deserved to be punished, what would you do? Suspend the whole defense? I mean, everyone would've had a chance to injure an opponent, right? That literally would kill a team's season and piss off fans and season ticket holders. The players weren't doing anything other teams don't do or at least think about. If you're playing against an elite quarterback with a bad ankle, your defensive co-ordinator isn't doing his job if he's not telling you to target that ankle. And nobody is asking anyone to do anything dirty, just clean, hard hits between the whistles.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 12, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
Did you read the report? Tagliabue even said there WAS a bounty system in place. The players were in the wrong, but they are getting off. It's like when a murderer gets off scot-free because of a technicality. And who cares if the fans get pissed off? If anything, they should be pissed at the team for doing illegal things. And your excuse of "it's OK if others do it" is BS and does not justify what they did. If a player breaks the rules, they deserve to be punished. And a player who makes millions losing $50K is not gonna hurt them.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
I didn't make my point clear. First, the players were getting punished not for taking bounties, but for putting up the cash and leading the program, which they denied and Tagliabue said wasn't enough evidence to warrant the suspensions. As far a taking a leadership role in the program, the players in question are innocent. Goodell didn't have the evidence to justify punishing them the way he did but did so anyway. He can't be allowed to have that kind of unchecked authority.

Second, punishing them for participating isn't fair. That would require the entire defense to be punished equally. Suspending an entire defense kills any team's chances at play offs or even a respectable record. And some people are losing up to a year's pay. And not having access to team facilities makes staying in that kind of shape much more difficult. Furthermore, not every guy on the team is a millionaire. Some are making less than $100K/year and you're talking about taking that away from them because of what the coaching staff has in place.

Third, I wasn't saying it's ok because others do it. Football is a rough game. Opponents getting injured only helps you. Ask any player, and they'll tell you it's just part of the game.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 12, 2012, 11:40:44 AM
Kind of impossible for ANY player in the NFL to make less than $100,000 since the minimum salary is $375,000 for rookies, $450 for 1 year players, $525 for 2 years, $600K for 3 years, $685K for 4-6 years, $810K for 7-9 years, $910K for 10 years, and an extra $15 for every year after that. So no player is suffering even at the league minimum.

You were saying that its OK for these players to break the rules just because you say others do it or think about it.

We will have to disagree on this. But the players set up (and with the blessing of the staff) and executed an illegal bounty system, paying players to take out and injure opponents. It's despicable, and I find it appalling they are getting away with it.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2012, 12:00:12 PM
But losing your pay (even if it's six figures) is still gonna hurt you significantly.

I'm not trying to argue for breaking the rules. I was trying to argue for the mentality of the players and coaches. They're not bad guys for wanting to hurt somebody.

And it wasn't the players' system. It was Greg Williams' system.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 12, 2012, 12:07:14 PM
Don't cry for players losing money. If you break the rules, then be prepared for the consequences. If I go rob a bank, do I have a right to complain if I get fired? No.

Actually, they ARE bad guys for wanting to hurt somebody. That is NOT what football is about. It's never been about that, and players who try to hurt others should not be allowed to play. There is a reason that people like Ndamukong Suh (who the NFL players themselves called the dirtiest player in the league) are not respected.

Yes, Williams started it, but the players contributed to the fund with their own money.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2012, 12:22:41 PM
I'm not crying for players losing money, I'm crying for players being unjustly punished. If you not be found guilty for robbing that bank and ended up in jail anyway, I'm sure you'd be pissed.

I guess everyone who plays defense in the NFL is a bad guy then. Suh plays dirty, sure. But everyone else wants to hit you clean and hard and for you to remember that you've been hit.

From Tagliabue: "Adding to the complexity, there is little evidence of the tone of any talk about a bounty before the Vikings game. Was any bounty pledged serious? Was it inspirational only? Was it typical 'trash talk' that occurs regularly before and during games? The parties presented no clear answers. No witness could confirm whether Vilma had any money in his hands as he spoke; no evidence was presented that $10,000 was available to him for purposes of paying a bounty or otherwise. There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 14, 2012, 10:41:58 AM
That was a terrible decision. Those players were trying to take out (and injure) other players for money, and they deserve to be punished. The original punishments were justified, but the players union always supports the players no matter what (you could have a player brutally attack an innocent fan and the players union would still appeal a suspension or fine).

I agree. I'll add that the hypocrisy of them whining that the league doesn't care about player safety becomes especially laughable when they go and do something like this. I wonder, don't they realize that they also represent the people who are on the receiving end of said bounties?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 14, 2012, 10:45:58 AM
Todd McShay's first mock draft is already up, even though we don't yet know the real draft order. He has my Browns taking a guard, who he makes out to be one of the best guards he's ever seen. As a Notre Dame fan I'd have liked to see them take Manti Te'o, who he has going to the Bills in the next pick, but a great guard would make our offensive line pretty fantastic, adding to our very strong tackles and center.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 14, 2012, 10:50:22 AM
So in light of the probability that the Browns' pick is going to be outside the Top Ten, are you pleased or saddened insanolord?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 14, 2012, 10:53:56 AM
As of right now their pick would be just inside it, at number 10. I'm not really sure how I feel about it. It was fun to win three in a row, even though it was against pretty weak competition, but we don't have a second round pick this year since we used it to take WR Josh Gordon (who's been fantastic, and whose pick may have saved GM Tom Heckert's job) in the supplemental draft, so this first pick really needs to be a good one.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 14, 2012, 10:57:33 AM
The NFL's website has the Browns at #12 right now. Based on who they play, it is very much possible that they will lose their last 3 games.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 14, 2012, 11:14:03 AM
Well ESPN has them at 10, I'm assuming using the tiebreakers used for the draft as opposed to the regular season. I don't expect them to win any of their remaining games, with it sounding like RG3's going to play this week, a surging Peyton Manning and the Broncos next week, and a Steeler team that probably won't turn the ball over eight times again in week 17.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 14, 2012, 11:38:17 AM
I'd say there's a chance the Broncos just lie down for that game, but they're probably going to try to get the #2 seed, so there's little chance of that.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 14, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
The Broncos play Baltimore this week, which is another game that has playoff implications. I don't see much of a chance that they won't still be playing for something next week, so I doubt they're going to be going easy.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 15, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Well, the Redskins say RGIII will not play tomorrow. Maybe the Browns might win? LOL
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on December 15, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Given Cleveland's luck on these things, I'm putting a tenner down on Kirk Cousins breaking the single game passing yardage record.

Or I would, if gambling was legal.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 15, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
If RG3's not playing I think the Browns are likely to win. I believe Vegas already had them as favorites on the suspicion that he would at least be limited. Cousins has talent, and I feel bad for him that he's likely to remain a backup despite that, but our defense is pretty good and the offense has been clicking lately. Richardson's looking good and Weeden's been on a pretty good streak, making better decisions and throws and not throwing a pick in the last 2.5 games.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 18, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
I didn't get ("get" might be more appropriate) to watch last night's game, but is it true that the commentators were completely ripping the Jets post-game? It also sounded like the Sanchize was doing his damndest to screw everything up!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 18, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
During, after, the next day. . .
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 20, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
Staying on topic, can anyone name the last time the backup quarterback was never actually the backup quarterback? Also on point, why exactly did the Jets trade for Tebow?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 20, 2012, 02:04:37 PM
There are now talks that the Jets will try and get rid of both Tebow and Sanchez after the season ends.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 20, 2012, 02:12:27 PM
I can believe that. Although in the case of Sanchez in particular I'm not sure they'll find any takers, at least not if they don't agree to eat most of the albatross they made for themselves. What's he guaranteed next season, eight million?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 20, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
$8.5 million, which is what may be a big factor.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on December 20, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
Are the Jet's self destructive or something? Why are they so stupid?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
As for why the Jets got Tebow, the talk is that it was the owner's idea to bring him in, against the objections of the coaching staff. Whether they went to him or McElroy, though, it really shouldn't have taken this long for Sanchez to get benched.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 20, 2012, 03:46:10 PM
Paying a guy high seven-figures to warm the bench rubs a lot of folks wrong, especially when it's their seven-figures going down the drain.

That said, doubling-down on a bad investment is a stupid idea in and of itself.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on December 20, 2012, 03:57:01 PM
What I find weird about the Jets is that in Sanchez's first two seasons they went to back-to-back conference final games and now they've had two years of missing the playoffs entirely.  But the coach is the same and the general make up of the team appears to be the same.  So why do they suck now?  It isn't like they lost some star player to retirement or free agency.  Did the players just lose their work ethic or what?  I can see fluking to the conference final once but two years in a row?  That doesn't happen, you have to be good to do that.  But now that same team stinks.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
The Jets are actually still in the playoff race right now, which illustrates just how bad the AFC is this year.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 20, 2012, 04:03:36 PM
They've actually had a lot of turnover in their roster, similar to how the Colts this year are actually a very different team than last year's beyond just adding Andrew Luck. Just compare their 2012 roster to their 2010 roster to see what I mean. I'm guessing that key members of the coaching staff/front office also got poached by other teams, too.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 20, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
The Jets are actually still in the playoff race right now, which illustrates just how bad the AFC is this year.

The only chance the Jets have of making the playoffs is if they win both of their remaining games AND the Bengals lose both of their remaining games. If the Jets lose 1 game or the Bengals win 1, the Jets are out. The Jets are also out if the Steelers win both of their remaining games.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
Well then I definitely hope the Jets make the playoffs, because for that to happen the Browns would have to beat the Steelers Week 17.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on December 20, 2012, 07:13:39 PM
I look forward to Tim Thibault doing QB sneaks for the Montreal Alouettes next year.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 20, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
Are the Jet's self destructive or something? Why are they so stupid?

They're like wild Graveler.

Anyway, the whole Tebow thing was a disaster. I think the theory that Sanchez was so bothered by his presence that he just couldn't play is spot on. It's the only thing that explains how he turned in to Tony Romo.

I think Jacksonville might be desperate enough to go for Tebow. And the Jets will probably eat that 8 million to get rid of Sanchez. He can play...I think. I mean he used to.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
Jacksonville needs a quarterback, and needs a reason for people to care about the team. Tebow always made way more sense there-in Florida Gator country, riding high on the Tebow mania, with a truly terrible QB that even Tebow would be better than-than he ever did with the Jets. The thing is, they passed on him last year, so I'm not sure they're suddenly going to want him now.

EDIT: And the stat going around on Sanchez is that he leads the league in turnovers since the start of the 2011 season, with 50. You can't blame his horrendous play on Tebow, at least not to any major extent.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on December 20, 2012, 10:00:07 PM
I am in a bind with my Bears. One, it's quite upsetting that for the second year in a row the Bears have gotten off to a good start only to get injured and blow it down the stretch. Second, we have two games left against two teams that we should beat, the Lions and the Cardinals. If we win those games and the Vikings lose to either the Texans or the Packers (which will probably happen unless Peterson activates Jesus mode) and the Giants lose to the Ravens or whoever their other game is against, the Bears will get the last playoff spot. There's at least a good chance this will happen. Which means they'll go to either Lambeau or Candlestick and lose in the first round. I mean, let's be honest, the Bears aren't going anywhere. I don't want to lose to the Packers again. I still haven't recovered from the 2010 NFC Championship game. Part of me would much rather send the Giants to Lambeau and let them do what they always do in Lambeau. But I can't make myself root against the Bears. Even when I know it's an exercise in futility. It's an upsetting situation that will definitely end in heartbreak.

Also I'm pulling for a 49ers - Broncos Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on December 21, 2012, 06:29:47 AM
Jacksonville needs a quarterback, and needs a reason for people to care about the team. Tebow always made way more sense there-in Florida Gator country, riding high on the Tebow mania, with a truly terrible QB that even Tebow would be better than-than he ever did with the Jets. The thing is, they passed on him last year, so I'm not sure they're suddenly going to want him now.

EDIT: And the stat going around on Sanchez is that he leads the league in turnovers since the start of the 2011 season, with 50. You can't blame his horrendous play on Tebow, at least not to any major extent.

True. But I think he had more turnovers this year. And ball control is definitely something that can be improved upon, like Mike Vick was starting to do before his injury. The INTs are a little tougher.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 21, 2012, 10:25:58 AM
I am in a bind with my Bears. One, it's quite upsetting that for the second year in a row the Bears have gotten off to a good start only to get injured and blow it down the stretch. Second, we have two games left against two teams that we should beat, the Lions and the Cardinals. If we win those games and the Vikings lose to either the Texans or the Packers (which will probably happen unless Peterson activates Jesus mode) and the Giants lose to the Ravens or whoever their other game is against, the Bears will get the last playoff spot. There's at least a good chance this will happen. Which means they'll go to either Lambeau or Candlestick and lose in the first round. I mean, let's be honest, the Bears aren't going anywhere. I don't want to lose to the Packers again. I still haven't recovered from the 2010 NFC Championship game. Part of me would much rather send the Giants to Lambeau and let them do what they always do in Lambeau. But I can't make myself root against the Bears. Even when I know it's an exercise in futility. It's an upsetting situation that will definitely end in heartbreak.

Also I'm pulling for a 49ers - Broncos Super Bowl.

I've been hearing similar talk from other Bears fans. Tell me, do you also think Lovie Smith's time in Chicago should be over?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on December 21, 2012, 11:06:12 AM
If they don't make the playoffs after starting 7-1, Lovie will probably be shown the door. Does he deserve it? Tough to say. It's not his fault he has a shockingly terrible offensive line and his best players keep getting injured. At the same time, his choice of offensive coordinators has been pretty poor. I like Lovie, but maybe it would be for the best? Glad I don't make such decisions.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 21, 2012, 11:20:27 AM
The O-Line's been pretty poor for a while though, hasn't it? I think it's fair to place blame on a head coach if the same failures occur year in and year out.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 21, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
He's not also the GM there, is he? If not, it isn't really fair to criticize him for not improving the personnel. Either way, I'd be happy for the Browns to take him off your hands for you.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 21, 2012, 04:26:15 PM
A good coach makes the best of what he's got, though. Unless you're arguing that the Bears' O-Line players have consistently been some of, if the not the, worst in the league for several years, in which case why on Earth would you decide to hire Mike Martz as your OC? It'd be like Wisenhunt taking a look at his QB stable and deciding to try an offense based on the long ball, or the Bills frequently going Wide 9 on defense.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on December 22, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
Lovie is not the GM. Two years ago the O-Line was also super terrible but last year they were okay. It's not like Lovie hasn't tried anything with the line. There have been changes. (One member of our O-Line straight up quit the team after they got abused by the 49ers.) Nothing has stuck this season. But yeah, hiring Martz was a mistake. That guy is BAD. Tice, who was promoted to coordinator specifically because of the good job he did with the O-Line last year, hasn't been great either, but again it's tough to tell how much blame is on him and how much is on our dreadful line. It's a bad situation.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 22, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
I look forward to Tim Thibault doing QB sneaks for the Montreal Alouettes next year.
I don't think he's CFL quality, maybe Arena Football. He should really just turn to the sidelines and try to throw to someone in the stands, he'll have a much better shot of getting the ball near an actual receiver on the field that way.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on December 22, 2012, 10:27:42 PM
As a Packers fan, I'm torn on whether I want to see Lovie Smith out or not. On one hand, the Packers have owned the Bears lately and Lovie's always been a good rival coach to have. On the other, he could leave, opening the door to bring someone better in that will fix some of the Bears' issues, making them a threat to the Pack.

As a fan of the NFL, I think he's boned if the Bears miss the playoffs. Bears have a GM entering his second year who would probably love to put his choice of head coach in. It's the same reason why, even though Pat Shurmur has been doing a good job with the Browns in recent games, he might be doomed to be fired at the end of this year. Browns are changing management, and management always wants their own guys in at key roles.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 23, 2012, 12:26:25 AM
Pat Shurmur is an awful coach, and any perceived quality is merely an illusion. But good news everyone, current talk has everyone from Nick Saban to Josh McDaniels ready to take the reins and run the franchise into the ground again.

The last good head coach the Browns had was Bill Belichick. They went a decade with horrible GMs, and Tom Heckert, who's been great the last couple years and has put in place most of the promising young talent the team has, is about to be unjustly fired by this jackass team president the new owner brought in.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on December 23, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
Why do the Texans hate me?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 23, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
For an example of how awful the Browns coaching is, Trent Richardson is averaging 5.9 yards per carry today, so naturally they've only given him the ball 9 times.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on December 23, 2012, 05:49:47 PM
/me lights a fire under the seat of Mike Tomlin
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 23, 2012, 09:03:46 PM
LOL, guess Rex Ryan should have gone with Mark Sanchez or Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy was sacked an astonishing 11 times (the record in the NFL is 12) on he way to a Jets loss.

On a side note, I hate it when teams punt on a 4th and 1.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on December 24, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
Yo the 'Hawks dominated the Niners, broskis!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on December 27, 2012, 03:20:56 PM
That wasn't even a game, it was a total massacre. On the one hand, thorough beatdowns can be enjoyable. On the other hand, a beatdown is less fun to watch when you were expecting an actual game.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on January 02, 2013, 05:47:01 AM
I always enjoy a good beat 'em down. Even if it's the team I root for on the wrong end of it.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 04, 2013, 07:45:33 PM
So it's looking like it's pretty much a done deal that Chip Kelly, currently the head coach at the University of Oregon, is going to be the new coach of the Browns. He's done a great job at Oregon, but I don't know that his style can translate to the NFL. On the plus side, it sounds like Dick Jauron may stay on at Defensive Coordinator, so the defense, which has been very good the last couple years, may remain largely unchanged.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on January 06, 2013, 09:20:51 AM
I actually felt pretty bad for Joe Webb yesterday. Yikes...
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on January 07, 2013, 06:43:29 AM
Hawks wiped out the 'Skins, dudebros!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on January 07, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
Well my Seahawks certainly didn't beat the real RGIII.  When his leg gave out when he was just going for the blown snap, that was ugly.  I couldn't help but think "what if this is the guy's whole career, right here?  One season, blows everyone away, and then done."

But the Seahawks are still a good team and we got a chance against the Falcons because, you know, they always fold in the playoffs.  Over the previous seasons of the Pete Carroll era I could never relax on offense.  When Hasselbeck was healthy it was alright, but otherwise I was always anxious.  At the start of this season I was the same way but at this point, I just assume Wilson will deliver the goods the same as any of the good quarterbacks in the league.  That's a nice feeling.

When Minnesota made the playoffs and Adrian Peterson missed the record by a mere 9 yards, I almost felt it would have been worth it to intentionally stay with the tie and risk it all in overtime because then he would surely get the record and the Vikings were almost certainly not going far in the playoffs anyway.  The fact that they had to play their embarrasingly shitty backup and had no chance in hell, was it worth it?  Was jobbing like a bitch in the first round worth AP MISSING the record by a first down?  "We made the playoffs" is not that much of an accomplishment compared to "our player has the record for most rushing yards in a season".  It was clear that Minnesota was not going to win the Superbowl and if you can't do that it doesn't really matter if you make the playoffs or not.  And they still could have possibly won in overtime.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on January 07, 2013, 01:07:19 PM
I'd be surprised if the Seahawks DON'T win against the Falcons. They've got the best defense in the NFL and the Falcons probably aren't as good as their record implies. I'm definitely rooting for the Seahawks because 49ers/Packers vs Seahawks will make for a much more interesting NFC championship game than 49ers/Packers vs Falcons. Falcons are just kinda boring. And as much as I need the Packers to get eliminated as soon as possible, I cannot deny the allure of a possible Seahawks - Packers rematch in Lambeau. That's tasty.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on January 08, 2013, 08:47:34 AM
The Falcons are just primed to lose this game. It's what they do. Doesn't matter how good a team they are.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on January 08, 2013, 11:22:42 AM
I still expect a better performance from the Falcons than they put up in their last playoff game, though.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Remember that time the refs blew a pass interference call which gave gave the Ravens an interception over the Broncos and ruined the game?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on January 12, 2013, 08:21:16 PM
So instead of wanting to kill Golden Tate after seeing Week 3 20,000 times this week, I'll just return to my default state of hoping Ray Lewis tears every ligament in his knee.

Hey Packers: GOOD JOB! GOOD EFFORT!
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on January 12, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
I was originally going to try to test this site's language filter, but I'll instead try to come up with some sarcastic summary of the Packers' defense later on.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on January 12, 2013, 10:35:39 PM
That coverage on Flacco's 70 yard touchdown throw at the end of the fourth was so bad. The corner gave up and lord only knows what Moore was doing. Flacco's throw was such a floater, and I mean both meanings of that word. Not to diminish their victory, but that was so bad. I'll be rooting for the Ravens next week no matter who they play.

I'm glad the Packers are dead, but I'm not nearly as thrilled by their demise as I was last year against the Giants. Kaepernick looked like QB Jesus tonight but it's tough to tell how much of that is because he's the second coming and how much is due to the Packers' poor run defense. We'll see how he does next week against the Seahawks. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on January 13, 2013, 01:58:58 PM
Damn, that was a hell of a game. Props to the Falcons, even though they nearly blew it.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on January 13, 2013, 08:01:39 PM
Hawks pooped the bed in the first half, my Broheims. :(
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 13, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
Ugh, I hate the Patriots but I don't want to root for the Ravens either. I was hoping that the Texans would beat the Patriots. Well, guess in the Super Bowl I will root for the 49ers or Falcons.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 13, 2013, 08:20:00 PM
I remember when the 49ers played the Patriots a couple of weeks ago on SNF, Chris Collinsworth asked if we were watching a preview of the Super Bowl...he may be correct. That was a great game.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on January 14, 2013, 09:52:51 AM
Hawks game was a damn rollercoaster of emotion.  First I'm thinking "****, we're going to get blown out by the choke artist Falcons?!"  Then the comeback was on and I was totally believing it, mostly in the "Altanta would totally blow it like this" way.  And then the stupid icing the kicker crap!  ARRGH!! How is giving the other team a practice kick a good strategy?  Yet, every coach does it.

Then Altanta goofs the punt and I was thinking "holy **** we could do it" again, and again it was because if you were to write the perfect backbreaking loss for Falcons fan wouldn't that be the way to do it?  They blow a 20 point lead, miraculously come back in the last 30 seconds and then give up a hail mary TD because of a botched punt?  I guess it's a too perfect fictional idea since it didn't happen.

While I'm obviously disappointed since Seattle could have won that game if they scored in the first half, I'm incredibly confident in next season.  Russell Wilson is for REAL.  He completed the comeback and then the defence let him down.  And he still makes rookie mistakes so how good is going to be in a few years?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on January 14, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
The Falcons WANTED to lose. It was so obvious. Those dudes puckered up so super hard at the end there. If they had lost that game the Georgia Dome might have dissolved. It was awesome.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on January 14, 2013, 02:07:52 PM
I went 0 for 4 this weekend. Football sucks and I hates it.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on January 20, 2013, 06:42:27 PM

HARBAUGH LEWIS HARBAUGH LEWIS HARBAUGH LEW
/me explodes in a ball of sheer rage
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
Harbaugh Bowl 2013.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on January 20, 2013, 08:00:18 PM
Somewhere in Europe, Greg Leahy is smiling. And that makes me smile.

Brady's window is beginning to close.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 21, 2013, 05:27:14 AM
Suck on that Brady. I hate the Patriots with a passion and will always root for whoever plays against them.

As for 49ers-Ravens, I am not a fan of either team.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2013, 05:29:28 AM
The only time I'd ever even consider rooting for the Ravens is when they're playing the Steelers. Go Niners.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2013, 10:32:07 AM
Okay, NOW I'm really upset that the Hawks lost to the Falcons.  We should have totally had them beat because they just did the exact same blow-a-big-lead choke job yesterday only without the other teams defense forgetting how to play for the last 30 seconds.  The Seattle defence should be ashamed of themselves because the Falcons are NOTHING.

I don't really like either Superbowl team that much though the Niners are a division rival of the Hawks so I really can't cheer for them.  Plus John Harbaugh comes across as a friendly guy while Jim Harbaugh comes across like a jerk.  And something about Colin Kaepernick just bugs me.  I think its his look.  He's got this dumb little goatee and tattoos, it looks immature.  I expect a more distinguished look from quarterbacks.  The Niners had Montana and Young and then tattoo boy?  Tattoos and weird hair and such all seems perfectly fine with other positions but it does not fit my mental image of a quarterback.  I guess I'm just being an old fogey but, hey, you need to find some reason to pick sides in a Superbowl that your team isn't in it.

Of course if I was born in a different time maybe I would have found Joe Namath and Ken Stabler as too wild looking to fit my quarterback image.  Instead I think those guys are super cool.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on February 03, 2013, 07:49:23 PM
Well, it was a Hollywood ending.


By way of Robert Blake. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Blake_(actor))
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Soren on February 03, 2013, 08:07:28 PM
Right now I wish I had Madden. I need to at least feel a virtual San Francisco victory so I could laugh in Ray Lewis' face on my TV.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2013, 11:14:22 AM
Well the team I was rooting for won, so that was nice.  Though Ray Lewis worked overtime to make me regret picking his team.  He more or less stated that God chose the Ravens to win the Superbowl, as if the 49ers were a bunch of unclean reprobates.  Oh and he took credit for Jacoby Jones' amazing kickoff return by claiming he lay his hands on his chest prior to the play.  So not only is he God's favourite football, but Ray Lewis is apparently some kind of FOOTBALL JESUS who lays his hands on the sick, giving them miraculous football skills.

Though all this demonstrates is that I cannot wait for this goofball to be some sort of analyst on TV, for that Don Cherry "what-the-****-is-he-talking-about?" factor.  I have always found Ray Lewis entertaining in that way.  He's like some pro wrestler spouting off wackjob promos.

Every year I complain about this but here in Canada we don't get all the Superbowl ads that are apparently so interesting.  See there is a law that if both a Canadian and American channel are showing the same program at the same time, the cable company is forced to transfer the feed to the Canadian one.  So I can select CBS as my channel but I'm forced to watch the CTV feed no matter what.  So I just get the same lame ads I always get and have no fucking clue what anyone online is talking about Monday morning.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on February 04, 2013, 11:18:59 AM
Well the team I was rooting for won, so that was nice.  Though Ray Lewis worked overtime to make me regret picking his team.  He more or less stated that God chose the Ravens to win the Superbowl, as if the 49ers were a bunch of unclean reprobates.  Oh and he took credit for Jacoby Jones' amazing kickoff return by claiming he lay his hands on his chest prior to the play.  So not only is he God's favourite football, but Ray Lewis is apparently some kind of FOOTBALL JESUS lays his hands on the sick and giving them miraculous football skills.

Though all this demonstrates is that I cannot wait for this goofball to be some sort of analyst on TV, for that Don Cherry "what-the-****-is-he-talking-about?" factor.  I have always found Ray Lewis entertaining in that way.  He's like some pro wrestler spouting off wackjob promos.

Every year I complain about this but here in Canada we don't get all the Superbowl ads that are apparently so interesting.  See there is a law that if both a Canadian and American channel are showing the same program at the same time, the cable company is forced to transfer the feed to the Canadian one.  So I can select CBS as my channel but I'm forced to watch the CTV feed no matter what.  So I just get the same lame ads I always get and have no fucking clue what anyone online is talking about Monday morning.
Don't feel bad.  I watched the Superbowl online so to my knowledge the Samsung Galaxy commercial with the lazy work lady was played every commercial break.  Also we never figured out the Coke race and Dandruff Unilever commercial was also on a lot.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 04, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
They sucked. Not even remotely funny.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2013, 03:43:05 PM
Worst year for SB commercials ever.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 03:50:45 PM
I have to disagree, most of them were pretty good. The PSY pistachio one was weird, and the GoDaddy ones were boring, but a lot of them were great. Like the touching baby Clydesdale one. Very good year for Super Bowl commercials, much better than last year.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 04, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
....

..

Just the M&M commercial from last year beats every commercial this year hands down.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
This years M&Ms commercial was really funny
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 04, 2013, 04:21:20 PM
Meh
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
I did get a couple.  I got the pistachio one and my parents were completely befuddled and were asking me what the point of it was and why young people like it, you know, because I'm under 40 so obviously "Gangnam Style" is exactly the sort of music I must listen to and thus can explain the appeal of.  No, Mom, it's just some dumb pop song idiots like that I didn't even know existed until like three months after it was popular.  Sometimes (or perhaps I should say "frequently") dumb **** becomes popular and they reference it in Superbowl commercials.

I did also get to see the Samsung ad and it was pretty funny.  Other than that it was CTV ads for their own shows that are actually American shows that they have the Canadian rights to and the same Van Kam ads that have literally been airing since I was a kid.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on February 04, 2013, 06:27:07 PM
The commercials blew lots of goats this year.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
You guys are in the minority, as most people thought this years commercials were really good.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on February 05, 2013, 03:46:14 AM
Are you physically capable of having your own opinion?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
Yes, but it seems like sometimes some people here aren't. I already liked the Super Bowl commercials, it was after that I looked and saw that most people liked the commercials this year
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 05, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
Are you physically capable of having your own opinion?

Can this be the inspiration for TJ Spyke's next title change?
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on February 05, 2013, 08:08:40 PM
Who gives a ****? They're fucking commercials. At best, they're cynical, soulless things designed to sell you ****.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 05, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
No at best they are hilarious sketches designed to sell me ****.

Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on February 06, 2013, 12:12:02 AM
Even when they're clever and effective, like the cat herding one is and so few others are, they're still just commercials. They're still cynical and soulless. WHO CARES? Apparently a lot of people here as I've been downvoted four times for ****-talking them. SORRY TO OFFEND YOU SO SORRY.

Nothing during this year's Super Bowl came close to the cat herding. Or that Google search bar ad a couple years ago. Or the eternal gold standard, Ridley Scott's 1984 Apple ad. The only ads I remember from two days ago are the ones that pissed me off.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on February 06, 2013, 12:16:44 AM
Who cares, indeed.

They are just commercials. Why do you let it bother you? If you really want to do something about it, go Banksy on their corporate asses.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TrueNerd on February 06, 2013, 01:49:09 PM
That's a good idea. brb gonna go learn how to do street art.
Title: Re: Official 2012 NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on February 09, 2013, 10:08:17 AM
I find the overwhelming majority of commercials both unfunny and unproductive. I don't watch much tv though, so maybe I'm just missing the deluge of awesome commercials.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 19, 2013, 07:34:29 AM
It's just not goddamned fair. Why does the universe hate me so? (http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/4/19/4241314/jimmy-haslam-the-fbi-the-158-pages-that-will-cost-him-the-browns)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2013, 11:14:40 AM
It's just not goddamned fair. Why does the universe hate me so? (http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/4/19/4241314/jimmy-haslam-the-fbi-the-158-pages-that-will-cost-him-the-browns)
I'm sorry you got caught up in the messed up world called Tennessee.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
We're less than three hours from the start of the NFL draft. What's everyone hoping for for your team? I really want the Browns to trade down, because they could really use a second round pick, which they lost by taking Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft last year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on April 25, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
You know, I never really get caught up in the draft. It's interesting to see which team went where afterwards, but there are so many busts and so many unexpected successes that I have a hard time getting hyped up about any of it. Especially since I think you can't really evaluate a draft until a couple of games into the season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 25, 2013, 09:20:51 PM
I try to get into the draft every year, but then I remember why I don't. The show is so boring. The only interesting part are the stats, like the Browns having 11+ loss seasons for the last 5 years (a record).

The surprising thing is this is only the 2nd time since 1997 that only 1 QB/RB/WR was selected in the top 10.

And not a surprise to me, but my Bills picked a QB with their top pick (E.J. Manuel of Florida State).
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: noname2200 on April 25, 2013, 10:00:04 PM

The surprising thing is this is only the 2nd time since 1997 that only 1 QB/RB/WR was selected in the top 10.


The explanation I heard was that this tends to happen in weaker drafts, which may explain why the words "deep draft" kept getting thrown around this week.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2013, 07:59:21 AM
This draft is far from weak. Sure, there's not much in the way of skill position players, but it's a fantastic year for linemen and pass rushers, and pretty deep in terms of defensive backs.

Speaking of pass rushers, my Browns took Barkevious Mingo, who seems to be getting more attention for his (admittedly fantastic) name than for his talent on the field. He's somewhat raw, but if he continues to develop he could end up being the best player taken in this draft.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on April 26, 2013, 09:02:44 AM
The Packers got Datone Jones, which is nice because their DEs are either getting old, filled with potential that might not ever come, or meh.

Also, if someone asks me who the Packers drafted, I can say "Dat one!"
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 13, 2013, 06:01:54 AM
So after the offseason, training camp and one preseason game, how is everyone feeling about their teams this year?

I am cautiously optimistic after seeing Brandon Weeden's performance in that first game. With the strong defense the Browns have and all the talent around him on offense, all he's going to need to do is manage the games. Hand the ball to Trent Richardson, make a few key passes, and more than anything else, not turn the ball over. In a short amount of time against the Rams' first team offense, he looked like he might be able to do that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on August 13, 2013, 09:13:59 AM
The Seahawks are getting tons of hype and not just from the Seattle media.  They're being regarded as legitimate Superbowl contenders.


... we are so fucked. ;)



I'm very interested in this season because we'll get an idea if Russell Wilson is truly the real deal or a one season wonder.  It's kind of nerve wracking but you have to find that out.  If he continues to do well this year then I can feel confident that we have a good starting quarterback for the future.  That's the one position you need to feel confident about.  It would also feel good to feel consistently confident in my team.  Throughout the Pete Carroll era I've been on pins and needles, constantly checking the standings to see if the Seahawks can slip into the playoffs (they got in with a losing record in his first season here).  Often with the Vancouver Canucks I just assume they'll be in the playoffs and it's more enjoyable to have that confidence in your team.  If Wilson is the real deal then I can probably start making that assumption about the Hawks and can save the "OHGODDONTBLOWTHIS!!" anxiety for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 13, 2013, 11:26:08 AM
All the injuries for the Packers terrify me. But they also terrified me the year they won the damn Super Bowl. Our IR list was absurd. I think we were down to 3rd-string linebackers by the end. And then Charles Woodson broke his goddamn collarbone right before the half of the Super Bowl.

But yea, I'm hopeful for the rookie LT we've got replacing the out-for-the-year Bryan Bulaga. I loooove Eddie Lacy at RB, and Dujuan Harris (who holds the distinction of being "that dude who I met when I went to Green Bay last year that wasn't the red-headed punter") was solid at RB at the end of last year.
Jordy and Cobb being hurt worry me for our WR durability. Unlike last year where we had breathing room with 5 amazing WRs, we're done to 3 amazing WRs and 2 of them are battling injuries. And 2 of WR draft picks haven't been on the field yet because of injuries.
LBs seem to be in good shape. The DL should be improved. The secondary needs to be healthy. Once again, our depth is weak there and we need to not thrust every unproven rookie into crisis situation.

Annnnd seeing reports on the kicker duel is so depressing. I expect to see Aaron Rodgers going for it on 4th and short a lot until we get a kicker who is dependable. I get it, Mason; kicking in Green Bay is really hard, harder than anywhere else in the league. You still aren't consistent.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2013, 07:09:06 PM
I'm pretty excited. Bob Ryan seems like a good fit for the Saints, and this is our first season with Sean Payton back. I think we did pretty well for not having our headcoach last season, but there was some serious sloppiness that should be gone. Defense should be much improved, again, thanks to Ryan. He was doing well the the Cowboys defense before, and him and Payton get along well. Our schedule is kinda rough, but if we can win that first game, it'll set the tone for great season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 13, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Can't wait for Teblow to get released...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 15, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
I'm currently watching the replay of tonight's Browns-Lions preseason game. I have to say, this team is looking really good. Brandon Weeden doesn't just look like a game manager, he's making pinpoint throws, putting the ball exactly where it needs to be. If he can keep up the performances he's been having the last couple weeks, with the talent around him, this team will make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 06:22:56 AM
If you're interested in fantasy football and don't have a league yet, mine is still looking for people. Sign up here: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/jpsquared
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 05:59:46 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, barring anymore major injuries, the Cleveland Browns will make the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Lucario on August 18, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
Is NFL like rugby, if not explain the rules? :confused;
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 06:08:12 PM
It's probably closer to rugby than it is to anything else, but it's still pretty different. It's essentially a turn-based form of rugby with a lot of high level strategy. It's slower and more methodical as opposed to the fluid nature of rugby. If you're familiar with the concept of a "set piece" in certain sports, pretty much every play in the NFL is like that. The action stops, both teams decide what play they're going to run, and then the ball is put into play and the teams try to execute their plan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Lucario on August 18, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
sounds O.K but i'll keep with my NRL(australia) thank you, plus that's probaly what you grow up with is what you support, me included.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
I've actually been kind of getting into rugby recently. I haven't gone so far as to pick a team or anything, but I've found it very fascinating whenever I've watched it on TV.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 06:55:09 PM
It seems like now is as good a time as any to be doing predictions. I'm going to post my picks for who will win the divisions and wild cards in each conference, and I'd love for others to jump in with theirs as well.


AFC:
East - New England
North - Cincinnati
South - Houston
West - Denver
Wild Cards - Indianapolis and Cleveland

NFC:
East - Washington
North - Green Bay
South - Atlanta
West - San Francisco
Wild Cards - Seattle and New Orleans
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 18, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
AFC:
East: Patriots
West: Broncos
North: Bengels
South: Colts
Wild Cards: Texans, Chiefs

NFC:
East: Redskins
West: 49ers
North: Packers
South: Saints
Wild Cards: Falcons, Lions
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
I can't believe you don't have Seattle in there. I flirted with the idea of both NFC wild cards coming from the West, and you're giving the conference's best division neither.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 18, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
****, wait. I forgot about the Seahawks.

Ok, swap them for the Lions. . .

No wait . . . I might wanna hold to my original list.


I'm so indecisive.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 20, 2013, 02:33:42 PM
Ooo. Predictions! This is with not much research and using my gut. I might have actual refined thoughts when I start prepping for my fantasy draft and the full-season-before-it-starts pick'em I'm doing.

AFC East - Patriots (3)
AFC North - Bengals (4)
AFC South - Texans (1)
AFC West - Broncos (2)
Wild Cards - Steelers (5), Chiefs (6)

WC Weekend - Steelers over Bengals, Chiefs over Patriots
Divisional - Broncos over Steelers, Texans over Chiefs
Conference - Broncos over Texans

NFC East - Redskins (4)
NFC North - Packers (2)
NFC South - Falcons (3)
NFC West - Seahawks (1)
Wild Cards - Niners (5), Saints (6)

WC - Falcons over Saints, Redskins over Niners
Divisional - Packers over Falcons, Seahawks over Redskins
Conference - Packers over Seahawks

SB - Packers over Broncos

I can't help it; I'm biased for the Packers. But to be fair, it's not an absurd prediction.

I'll add the caveat that the Redskins will only go as far as RG3 is healthy. If he's hurt for a chunk of the season, the Giants win that division. If he's hurt in the playoffs, the Skins don't win a damn game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
I said it in the RFN thread and I'll say it here: it's crazy to put the Steelers in the playoffs at this point when you look at the team they have. Lousy O-line, injury prone QB, questions at RB, depleted, shallow receiving corps, and rapidly aging defense. They'll be lucky not to finish last in their division.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 20, 2013, 03:05:15 PM
I think the Ravens will have a let down year. I'm not sold on the Browns yet (though I do think they're rising). I think the Bengals will continue to be a playoff-bound team that gets trounced in the playoffs when they get there.

The AFC is just really weak. Maybe the Steelers will be the 6 seed, but outside of other teams in their division, I don't see any teams competing for that WC spot. The Dolphins? The Colts? Maybe, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
The thing with the Browns is they could go 10-6 or they could go 6-10, depending on how much progress all their young players (who make up most of the team) make. There are like six guys on that offense with the potential to have major breakout seasons, and a pretty damned impressive front 7 on defense, albeit with a shaky secondary behind it. Based on what I've seen in their two preseason games so far, they're looking good, but that's just preseason.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 20, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
If I recall, there was a Browns-Packers preseason game last year where you were saying the same things. :P

Still, I think the Browns will be good in like a year or two. They could break out earlier than expected (a la the Bengals two years ago), especially since the AFC North is in turmoil to a degree, with the makeover in Baltimore, the decay of Pittsburgh, and the fact that the Bengals are still the Bengals.

I'll also get to see yo' Brownies at Lambeau Field. :D
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2013, 08:07:16 PM
My predicting the Browns turning the corner and becoming a legit contender is kind of like my predictions of big E3s from Nintendo. It makes more and more sense as an argument with every passing year, you think it has to be coming at some point, but year in and year out I come away disappointed.

Really, this year's team will go as far as Brandon Weeden can take them. He's got a good group of talent around him on offense and what looks like a scary good defense. Last year he couldn't seem to do anything right; this year, while it's still just preseason, he's shown massive improvements in decision making and downfield accuracy. This year's outcome for the Browns hinges almost entirely on whether he can make the next step and become a solid NFL QB.

If he plays as well as he has so far (again, yes, it's preseason, but he's still been playing against first team defenses) consistently in the regular season, they're a playoff team. If he stays where he was last year, then hey, we'll be in great position to grab Teddy Bridgewater to replace him.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
Also, I should point out to everyone here, if you're interested in Madden this year, you might want to check out the Amazon-exclusive Anniversary Edition. It has a few extra things in it, but the main draw for me was that it includes a free year of NFL Sunday Ticket.

It works with DirecTV, but you don't need it to use this, as people who don't have their satellite service can still use the free pass to get all the games on the web and mobile devices. Sure beats the hell out of shitty illegal internet streams. The package is $100, so you're basically paying $40 over the normal game price for the service, which is about 1/10 the normal price of Sunday Ticket.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 20, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Wow, thanks for the heads up on that. Probably gonna go for it - I have no desire to play Madden so I'll just sell the game if I do it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 20, 2013, 08:32:03 PM
Done and DONE. Definitely going for it. Easily worth the $40 and probably worth more, speaking as an out of markt fan myself.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2013, 06:35:07 AM
Is it worth $100 Dollars to me hmmm...
I am going to Jaguars vs Titans @ JP Field this year.  Got good seats for a "reasonable" by ticket standard price so maybe it is worth 100.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 21, 2013, 07:52:29 AM
If I didn't have a routine of meeting up with my dad and some family friends for each out-of-market Packer game at a sports bar, then I'd probably do it. Also, I actually have cable now.

Still, despite how bummed I am about no Madden on Wii U, I'm, umm, probably going to get Madden on 360 or PS3. :X

J.P. - I'll probably pull for the Browns in about 16 of 17 weeks. Even more so if I get Trent Richardson in my fantasy draft like I think I want to.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2013, 10:34:09 AM
I don't have cable, CBS is still in the VHF range for me, and Fox seems to Pre-empt Football with the other Football whenever the other is on around here.

Still though $100...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2013, 12:15:30 PM
Neal, if you're going to buy Madden this year, I'm getting it on PS3.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 21, 2013, 12:50:43 PM
Neal, if you're going to buy Madden this year, I'm getting it on PS3.

I've heard the PS3 version is usually buggier than the 360 version. I want to go PS3 because I deep down hate my 360 for anything other than Netflix/HBO Go/Hulu, but I always hear the PS3 version is buggy as ****.

Side note: I am for 100% sure going PS3 for NHL this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
I'm going PS3 because I'm letting my Xbox Live Gold lapse and that would cut me off from roster updates over the second half of the season.

EDIT: A quick scan of Metacritic on last year's PS3 Madden shows no significant difference in reviews. Actually, the PS3 version's Metascore is two points higher than the 360's. PlayStation-specific outlets didn't seem to have any real problems.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Do_What on August 26, 2013, 06:36:44 PM
The panthers are mediocre and Cam might bet better, but there's still only one dude to really catch passes and the running back situation is a disaster. And the defense is meh.

Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2013, 06:53:30 PM
Saints are losing some defensive players. Not a good thing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on August 26, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
Based on their historic performance last season, anyone they would bring in would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2013, 07:06:46 PM
We got Rob Ryan, what more do you want?!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on August 26, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
Someone who can make a play on a quarterback not named Rex "**** It I'm Throwing Deep" Grossman.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
We can do that, but not consistently. Will Smith was a big part of that until he hurt his knees.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 05, 2013, 10:48:31 PM
Peyton Manning > God
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 06, 2013, 07:09:47 AM
So, Joe Flacco sure is elite, right?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2013, 09:56:10 AM
My brother is slowly becoming a football fan.  He used to watch a few minutes here and there while I had the game on and he was taking a break from whatever he was doing.  Last night he just planned on watching the beginning of it and ended up watching the whole thing.  He likes the spectacle and last night had that.  You had the over-the-top intro with the NFL legends counting down to the fuckin' FINAL COUNTDOWN and Peyton Manning throwing 7 touchdowns.  But his favourite things are the ones he can laugh and make fun of and this game had two all time classics.  First you get the Ravens player hitting the **** out of his own teammate who was waving for a fair catch and then that Broncos player catching a game icing pick 6 but completely negating it by INTENTIONALLY DROPPING THE FOOTBALL BEFORE HE CROSSES THE GOAL LINE.  HA HA HA HA!!!!  I've seen other stupid players do that but they were at least close to the line.  This guy dropped it like three or four yards away from it.  How many times have we seen that happen and yet there are still dumb musclehead idiots in the league that think it's cool?

Early in the game I noticed that Flacco had this different look to him.  He had this confidence in his demeanor like one would expect out of a Superbowl winning quarterback.  The look that someone like Brady often has.  But by the second quarter is was the old Flacco look.  The "oh **** people will notice I'm really a fraud" look, most often personified by Jay Cutler and Tony Romo.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Just like with soccer going to start with Football this season following my home team the Lions as we try and make it to at least the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: toddra on September 06, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
I live in Nebraska so there is this unwritten law you have to devote every fiber of your being to the Corn Huskers so as such most people around here don't even follow NFL. Personally I am hoping Kansas City will be a real contender this season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
Nothing can stop the mighty Brian Hoyer.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on September 29, 2013, 06:54:20 PM
Nothing can stop the mighty Brian Hoyer.
Except any team thats better then the Vikings considering he barely came up ahead in that matchup.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
I don't think anyone would argue the Cincinnati Bengals aren't significantly better than the Vikings, and Hoyer was quite a bit more impressive against them today than he was in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 30, 2013, 06:57:14 AM
I'm telling you guys, one day this Peyton Manning feller is gonna be a pretty decent quarterback.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on September 30, 2013, 08:56:13 AM
My Saints vs. Miami. Both teams blew last season (especially the Saints). This year they are both 3-0. Should be an awesome game. Whomever can rush the passer better should win the game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 30, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
The Only game that I saw this weekend was the Patriots vs the Falcons.

I hate when a team opens up playing a 2 minutes style at the beginning of the game and totally abandon it during the mid game where they get creamed.  I you are going to open successfully with a 2 minute style then at least 1 series of plays each quarter should be that way.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on September 30, 2013, 03:29:12 PM
Crazy win for the Seahawks yesterday.  The way things were going I was already preparing my "eh, every team loses games" rationalization to avoid losing faith in my team.  Frankly there was some damn luck to it as some stupid plays on Houston's part let the Hawks tie it and then win.  But at the very least the team didn't give up and thus could capitalize on Houston's mistakes.  I hope our offensive line heals up soon as being without three of our starters didn't go so well against players like Watt and Cushing.

Right now the team I fear the most is the Broncos.  I figure the Hawks can beat anyone in the NFC but what good does that do if we meet Denver in the Superbowl?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 03, 2013, 06:15:44 PM
Well apparently there is one thing that can stop Brian Hoyer, and that's knee injuries. Oh well, those two weeks were fun while they lasted. Brandon Weeden can lose the last 12 games and then next year we'll be able to draft a new QB who will disappoint us.


EDIT: Okay, maybe Weeden can win one game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
Yeah, I know I keep bringing him up, but Peyton Manning is absolutely brilliant. Already set the record for most TD's in first 5 games in NFL history (and it's not halftime yet), and then ran in one of his own that absolutely no one saw happening. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 06, 2013, 03:45:40 PM
The only comparison I can draw for Broncos/Jags next week is 3DS v WiiU.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2013, 06:08:32 PM
Are you allowed to forfeit in the NFL? They are giving away 2 free beers with all tickets in Jacksonville.


That ended up being a hell of a game, btw.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 21, 2013, 08:28:40 PM
Denver got robbed last night with a few terrible calls late in the game, and the ridiculous "let's kill 32 seconds with intentional penalties on punts" fiasco at the end...

...and this Giants vs Vikings game has to go down as one of the all-time worst games ever. Eli did finally learn to slide just now though.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on October 21, 2013, 08:39:48 PM
Glad the colts won. It should make for a more interesting meeting in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
The prime time scheduling has been pretty abysmal for the part this season. I think there's only been a few good ones and they mostly involved the Broncos.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on October 22, 2013, 10:24:09 AM
I'm sorry, JP. I saw Weeden live last week. Holy crap he is miserable. Receivers didn't help him out that much, but when you're off target that much, it's probably a shock when something actually comes near you.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on October 22, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
The prime time scheduling has been pretty abysmal for the part this season. I think there's only been a few good ones and they mostly involved the Broncos.

To be fair, I don't think anyone expected the Vikings and Giants to be a combined 1-11 going into last night, nor for the Vikings to sign a quarterback and make him throw 53 passes ten days later. With Adrian Peterson conscious.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
Yeah, but the Steelers had two primetime games in the first four weeks. That's more than most teams deserve, especially one that went 8-8 and didn't make the playoffs in the previous season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Looking back at the schedule, the word "abysmal" may have been a little strong. There have been a few good ones. But overall, I've been inclined to just go to bed early.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 24, 2013, 04:28:24 AM
I'm sorry, JP. I saw Weeden live last week. Holy crap he is miserable. Receivers didn't help him out that much, but when you're off target that much, it's probably a shock when something actually comes near you.

Oh, I'm long past the point where I'm optimistic. Browns fans are now in the usual mid season position of speculating as to who the QB will be next year. Hoyer's wins probably played us out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes, but there are some other good draft options, and it's sounding like the Bears are planning to let Jay Cutler walk at the end of the year. He'd be an intriguing fit for the system Chud and Turner are trying to run.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2013, 02:34:29 PM
So went to my first regular season Football game.  Glad I did and well it was a relatively horrible experience.  Football is sooo much better on TV its not even funny.  Not to much the Titans management needs to go to a season of the Predators.  They are much better at this.

How hard the Titan's bombed this made my Wife and son upset.  Now I have to deal with that and the lost.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on November 10, 2013, 05:39:23 PM
For watching the game, TV offers a much better experience. But if you go to the game with buddies, booze it up, and watch your team win, then there's nothing like it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2013, 05:59:03 PM
For watching the game, TV offers a much better experience. But if you go to the game with buddies, booze it up, and watch your team win, then there's nothing like it.
I can believe that.  Its just not for me it seems.

I don't drink and the only human's that I don't work with I have regular conversations with live in Florida and Canada.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on November 10, 2013, 06:21:49 PM
Yeah, that would make it tough to fully enjoy the game unless you had great seats.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2013, 06:28:44 PM
Yeah, that would make it tough to fully enjoy the game unless you had great seats.
http://www.rateyourseats.com/showratings/sections.php?venue_id=lp-field-nfl&section_id=136
I was seated at Section 136 Row k Seat 18  Not bad seats I don't think.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on November 10, 2013, 06:40:55 PM
Yeah, that looks pretty sweet. Did the weather get to you?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
Yeah, that looks pretty sweet. Did the weather get to you?
pretty nice day and I made sure to bring a coat if it switched.   Though we lost to Jacksonville talk about embarrassing.  And the injuries.  Terrible Ref calls.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 11, 2013, 07:03:21 AM
I would much rather watch football or any sport on TV than in person. Every once in a while it's fun to get the experience of being there in person, but I really don't understand the appeal of having season tickets to any sports team.

Getting back to on-the-field discussion, my beloved Cleveland Browns are playing a meaningful game in November for the first time in what feels like decades. A win over the Bengals on Sunday puts them in first place in the AFC North.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 11, 2013, 07:16:06 AM
...No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 11, 2013, 07:25:08 AM
****, you're right, I read it wrong. A win would only put them a half a game back with the tiebreaker, which is about as close to first place as you can be without actually having it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2013, 08:32:52 AM
I would much rather watch football or any sport on TV than in person. Every once in a while it's fun to get the experience of being there in person, but I really don't understand the appeal of having season tickets to any sports team.
...
I like Hockey more in person.  I like being able to see the whole field all the time.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 11, 2013, 08:45:52 AM
The Packers seem to be relatively boned this year. When you miss your starting QB, starting RB, starting WR, starting TE, starting LT, star OLB, several other LBs, a few dudes from the secondary for substantial amounts of time, odds are you're not going to do too well.

Still, I'll remain mildly delusionally hopeful. I liked what J.R.R. Tolzien did against Eagles despite being on the practice squad a few days ago. The defense, however, is complete garbage right now. After playing really well between like Week 2 and 8, they have completely fallen apart. The secondary is horrendous (goodbye Tramon Williams! You're old and you ain't getting paid playing like that), clubbed Clay is a shell of his former self, and the DLine, which is usually decent, got run ragged for the second week in a row. I didn't think Rodgers' injury would make the defense horrible.

Next two weeks are winnable games, even with Tolzien at the helm. If the Packers can beat the Giants and the Vikings and get to 7-4, I like their chances at a late season run, even if Rodgers misses the Lions game (and the Packers potentially lose). I think the Packers can make the playoffs if Rodgers is back, at the latest, by the Atlanta game and the team is sitting at no worse than 7-5. A slate of Atlanta, @ Dallas, Pittsburgh and @ Chicago are all winnable if Aaron's healthy.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
Titans had a year like that back in the McNair and Eddie George days and still managed 8-8.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on November 11, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Man....after the Saints lost to the Jets I had no idea how the Cowboys game was gonna go. GOOD LORDY! What an ass whooping.

If someone can take out the Broncos before we meet in the SuperBowl, that game is ours!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 11, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
Titans had a year like that back in the McNair and Eddie George days and still managed 8-8.

That's sort of what I worry this season might end up like. I see 10-6 as a record that can get us into the playoffs, though with Carolina actually being a good team, that might get dicey.

NFC looks like...
Locks - Seattle, New Orleans, NFC East Winner
I can't imagine the Niners fucking up that badly, so I'd say their playoff ticket is almost as good as punched.
That means two spots for Lions, Packers, Bears, Panthers (maybe Cardinals?)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 11, 2013, 01:11:37 PM
Yeah, no one is taking out the Broncos. Manning's MRI showed no new damage to his ankle - 33 touchdowns with 8 more games to go, the record he sets will be so ridiculously high it will probably never be beaten. They go to the Super Bowl and win, easily.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 11, 2013, 01:13:18 PM
Yeah, no one is taking out the Broncos. Manning's MRI showed no new damage to his ankle - 33 touchdowns with 8 more games to go, the record he sets will be so ridiculously high it will probably never be beaten. They go to the Super Bowl and win, easily.

You do realize that Peyton will have to play outdoors during the winter to win said Super Bowl? It's not that easy for them...
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Post by: Stogi on November 11, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
And let's not forget Peyton's affinity for choking.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2013, 01:27:52 PM
Its Peyton Manning for goodness sake.  The man Statistically is wonderful.  In practicality his stats don't translate.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 11, 2013, 03:23:19 PM
The Colts were never as good as Denver is right now though, even when they gave up their undefeated season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_Neal on November 11, 2013, 06:54:22 PM
The Colts were never as good as Denver is right now though, even when they gave up their undefeated season.

The Colts also play in a dome. Denver's outside, and most of the places they'd play in the playoffs are outside and cold, too. Also, the Super Bowl will in New Jersey in February. I live in that area. It gets freaking cold.

Manning will have a brilliant statistical year, but dude can't handle the cold, even more so now that he's older. Look at Brett Favre in his last game as a Packer. He was cold and old, despite playing stellar the whole year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on November 12, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Weighing in on the TV vs. live debate, I've never seen an NFL game live but I have gone to a few CFL games.  Football is way better on TV.  All the instant replays and zoom in on players really add the to experience.  Half the time at the games I've seen live I don't know what the hell just happened.  Some guy ran with the ball into a big pile of guys and, uh, first down I guess?  Football on TV has the first down yellow line.  There is no such thing live obviously.  Plus sometimes even on TV I don't quite make up what happened on the first viewing but the replays and slo mo lets me see it.

Hockey and basketball are a lot of fun live.  Baseball is a million times better live.  On TV baseball is a total snoozefest usually with the announcers going on about unrelated nonsense.  Baseball's slow pace works well in a live environment as it makes it easy to pay attention to every detail.  Plus it's the summer and it's fun to relax with a beer and a hot dog and hang out with your buddies.  Flyballs are actually entertaining live because often it is not immediately obvious if the ball is a homerun or not.  So you stand up and watch and then it is or isn't.  On TV they immediately cut away to the outfielder getting under it.  There is no suspense, the TV coverage tells you right away that it's a boring flyball.  Football's TV coverage is putting chocolate sauce on a rice cracker while baseball's TV coverage is putting dog **** on ice cream.  It seems like the INTENTION of baseball on TV is to make it boring.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2013, 03:27:34 PM
Seen quite of few college football games and I was always wasted with a group of friends. Had a blast if it wasn't obvious. I'm surprised the same can't be said for the NFL.

Soccer is the **** live, as is basketball. If I had to pick between the two, I'd say basketball is the most exciting to watch while soccer is the most exciting to participate in watching...if that makes sense.

Baseball live is much better but that's not a high bar to jump. Them 8 dollar beers though...Ridiculous. It's not like you can sit there beerless either.

Never seen hockey, but I bet it's a blast even if it's a little frosty. It's probably loud as all hell in the stadium.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2013, 01:15:50 PM
Recap of today's Browns game: Josh Gordon was amazing, every other Brown was awful.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on November 24, 2013, 02:03:37 PM
A stunning draw between relegation target Viking United and Cheese City leaves the Lions two points clear atop the table ahead of a major fixture Thursday.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
The officials from today's Browns-Patriots game should never be allowed to work another game again. Tell me if you've heard this before: an extremely questionable call hands New England a win in the final minutes of a game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on December 08, 2013, 06:25:02 PM
It was the same crew who worked the Jets/Pats game that turned on a pushing call. So basically, it was a makeup call.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 13, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
First Marcus Marriota goes back to Oregon, now a Teddy Bridgewater may be stupidly deciding he doesn't want to be the consensus number one overall pick and would rather fight Marriota and Jameis Winston for it next year. At this point it's seeming more and more likely that the Browns will have to choose between Johnny Manziel and A.J. McCarron and I might as well go hang myself now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 22, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
Suck it, Brady! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/22/peyton-manning-tom-brady-touchdown-record_n_4490277.html)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 29, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Only one record left for Peyton now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 29, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
All signs right now are pointing to the Browns firing head coach Rob Chudzinski, who just finished his first season. This seems ridiculous to me, as I really don't think he was the problem, and it seems nowhere near necessary to get rid of him this soon.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on December 30, 2013, 11:13:06 AM
I did not realize how long Dan Marino had that record.  Yeah Peyton needed a few more above Brady for them not just passing it back and forth.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 04, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
Wow Indy really sucks right now, then again, half of their team is injured.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 04, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
Alex Smith is just dominating this game. It's amazing that just a few years ago he was terrible.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 04, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
Aaaaaaand it's 38-44 now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 04, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Some guys are taken with the number one overall pick and turn out not to be worth it. Andrew Luck is not one of those guys.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 04, 2014, 06:21:49 PM
Yeah, that was a hell of a comeback. That touchdown pass around 4 minutes left was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 05, 2014, 07:20:15 AM
And thus goes the life of a Philadelphia Eagles Fan...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2014, 07:46:55 AM
I wonder how many Saints fans were murdered last night.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on January 05, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Those weren't fireworks going off after the game last night...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 05, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Andy Dalton is not a good quarterback.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
No, but that Kung Fu move by Marvin Jones in the last minute was pretty badass.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on January 05, 2014, 05:10:26 PM
So the Saints, Chargers and 49ers win in various states of deep freeze. Bad weekend to be a narrative.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
True. Next week's games should all be really good and probably pretty close, aside from Chargers vs Broncos in which Manning and company will dominate from start to finish.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
I've been picking on my Philly friends all day.


It's been great.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
Hey, so my team's in the Conference Finals!  One would think I would have enjoyed watching the game but it was actually quite unpleasant.  The Seattle offense wasn't clicking and has been off for the last couple of games which isn't a good sign.  The Saints narrowed the lead at the very end as it appeared the Seattle defense had suddenly quit like they figured they had already won, and I was getting flashbacks to last year's last minute defensive collapse against the Falcons last year.  When New Orleans nabbed the onside kick I was yelling at the screen.  Frankly if Marques Colston had not thrown a forward pass when he could easily have just stepped out of bounds I was feeling like the Saints were going to tie the game with some miraculous hail mary pass and then win in overtime.  It just had that feeling of a miracle comeback.

I realize that I have no confidence in the Seahawks and it has nothing to do with the team itself.  The team is solid and a serious Superbowl contender, not some Cinderella team fluking their way through.  I felt the same way a few years back when the Canucks went to the Stanley Cup finals and they also were clearly a great team... but they lost.  My lack of confidence in the Seahawks is entirely because they are a team in the one of the four major sports leagues that is geographically close to me and those teams don't win championships.  The last one to do so was the Sonics who won two years before I was born and they don't even exist anymore.  MY teams don't win.  They never have in my lifetime and when enough time has gone by with something not happening you start to assume it never will.

Of course this is all completely illogical.  The Seahawks are completely unaffected by me.  They're unaffected by the other teams in the Pacific Northwest that haven't won titles.  They aren't even really that affected by the shitty Seahawk teams of the past as this core lineup of guys is pretty young and even if their was continuity the franchise went to a Superbowl less than ten years ago so the franchise has been run well in recent times.  But isn't this the nature of sports?

From a neutral perspective this has to be one of the most exciting NFL playoffs in recent memory.  No underdog teams that fluked their way to a few upsets only to **** the bed later on.  It's pretty much the four teams that everyone was picking a few weeks into the season.  No matter what the Superbowl will be between two killer teams.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 13, 2014, 10:25:59 AM
Drew Brees can pull off comebacks in just a few minutes like that all the time, so that's really nothing against the Seahawks. Seattle is going to win the Super Bowl, just my prediction.
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Post by: Ceric on January 13, 2014, 10:47:02 AM
...
the Sonics who won two years before I was born and they don't even exist anymore.  MY teams don't win.  They never have in my lifetime and when enough time has gone by with something not happening you start to assume it never will.
...
...
Seattle is going to win the Super Bowl, just my prediction.
Ian Sane must DIE.
Bandogg will Pick Him Off.
It is the Only Conclusion.

Seriously enough I can't make a call.  I haven't seen Seattle play this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
woooooooo Go Hawks! Beast Mode!!!! 12 cent Starbucks!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 19, 2014, 01:56:07 PM
The Patriots are the opposite of what they were last week. Broncos vs. Seahawks it is (my bet).
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 19, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
'Hawks & Broncos. This should be good.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 19, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
Called it!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on January 20, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
Man, that Seahawks game was hard to watch.  It is so much different to watch these big games from neutral perspective where you can just enjoy a good game.  But being invested in the Seahawks I was just freaking out over every little thing that didn't go their way.  Every penalty, every turnover, every punt, I was yelling and swearing.  My brother accused me of acting like... Jim Harbaugh!  Ouch!  Though that's probably a good description of it.  It's funny that my team is in the Superbowl but I don't think I enjoyed a minute of that game.  Even at the end it was more relief than joy.  And how about Richard Sherman putting a promo like a wrestler after the game!  Ha ha!  I thought for a second he was going to swear on TV!

Now, can the Seahawks beat the Broncos?  I've always liked Peyton Manning.  Back when he hadn't yet won a Superbowl all that talk about him choking in the playoffs bugged the hell out of me and I couldn't help but root for him.  Plus his nemesis is Tom Brady who's incredibly unlikable.  But two weeks from now, for the first time, I will be hoping that Peyton really is the playoff choke machine that his critics say he is.  The Seahawks defense will have to work hard to contain the Denver offense because Seattle would almost certainly lose in a shootout.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2014, 10:31:15 AM
Peyton is 1 and 1 with Super Bowls. I will say that last night's game would have been completely tainted if that non-called fumble at the goal line turned into a touchdown for Seattle. Luckily they went for it and failed, so the game didn't get ruined by that horrible non-call, but unfortunately NoVorro Bowman's leg did get ruined (amazing how he actually maintained possession of the ball while his leg was being torn in half).


I'm rooting for the Broncos, but I won't be mad if Seattle wins, they are both insanely good teams and this should go down as one of the best Super Bowl games (at least performance-wise) even if it ends up being a lopsided game on either side.


This could not have felt good.


Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
BTW it's kind of funny that teams from both states that just legalized weed are going to the Super Bowl. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the term "Super Bowl."
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/410x512q90/600/gjxo.jpg)

Facebook beat me to it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stratos on February 02, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
Gotta say...GO HAWKS!


They might have just revived my joy for sports in general that the Mariners destroyed in my childhood.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Phil on February 02, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
I think the Harlem Globetrotters would have scored more points than the Broncos tonight.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: jrlibrarian on February 03, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
GO HAWKS!

This game meant a lot to me. It helped that my family has worked for the team in various capacities since the 2nd year it was in existence. The photo below is me (the handsome fellow on the right) holding the NFC Championship trophy in the middle of my living room. Who knows, perhaps I'll have another picture with the Lombardi Trophy sometime in the near future, or at least with a very nice Super Bowl ring.

(http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/file:///C:/Users/Jeffrey/Desktop/NFC%20Champ%20trophy.jpg)(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1555433_10202502351152896_883239489_n.jpg)
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Post by: Shaymin on February 03, 2014, 03:01:00 AM
In accordance with Superb Owl rules I switched to something more entertaining1 with about a minute and a half left in the first quarter since I don't get the commercials.

Looks like I chose wisely.

1 Tales of Xillia, specifically
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 03, 2014, 06:31:40 AM
Yeah, it seemed like on paper that Denver should have won, but I've said since the beginning of the season that Seattle was going to win the Superb Owl.

On a side note, there weren't any good commercials last night, which was very disappointing. The Doritos ones were okay, but the rest were terrible.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stratos on February 03, 2014, 08:24:29 AM
Its because they are trying too hard. They are screaming "Look at me! I am a Superbowl commercial because I am bizarre and cool while also being soulful and inspiring.!"
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
YYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I never thought it would be such a dominant win for the Hawks.  Hell I was mentally preparing myself for them losing.  The last time a team in the Pacific Northwest won a title was two years before I was born.  I've waited my whole life and it has finally happened!!  YES!!  Now I've got to be a nice guy and not become some entitled jerk like a Patriots fan.  Naturally I want them to win multiple titles but I can't be bummed out if within the next few years they fail to do so.  Realistically I have no right to bitch about the Seahawks, aside from a minor "gee, that sucks", for at least ten years.

Back in 2011 I went on a trip to Italy.  On a train to Venice I sat next to a guy from San Diego.  We talked football and compared the Seahawks and the Chargers.  I was a little embarrassed that my team had just a few months ago made the playoffs with a losing record.  The guy was a USC fan and he said "My boy Pete is going to bring you to the promised land.  Just trust Pete Carroll, you're in good hands."  Well guy from San Diego whose name I don't remember and possibly never knew, you were right and I can't believe it!  Never would I have thought that only three seasons after Beastquake that the Seahawks would be Super Bowl Champions!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on February 03, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Watching on the computer you get pretty regular commercials.  Also it wasn't a very good game for the 1 game that I can watch consistently a year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 11, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
Jimmy Haslam's doing what he can to keep this thread's title accurate.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on February 11, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
I love how your owner, a Steelers fan, is apparently tanking the team for the benefit of his team. Still, might be time for the NFL to do something along the lines of what the NBA did to Ted Stepien in the early 80s in... Cleveland.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 28, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
I just can't take the suspense any longer. I've read literally hundreds of mock drafts at this point and I really just need it to happen now and get it over with.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on April 28, 2014, 10:12:12 AM
I can't wait for the mock drafts to be over, honestly.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 08, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
It's been a crazy ride, but the Browns got the QB I wanted, in a completely different way than I expected.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 09, 2014, 05:42:30 AM
Poor guy.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2014, 07:43:54 AM
He looked so pissed.  Nobody around even seemed remotely happy.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 09, 2014, 09:51:51 AM
Same look on the face for whoever they tie down and force to replace Iwata.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2014, 10:23:15 AM
The Browns need some players that are good enough to overcome any incompetent management or coaching.  Think of how RGIII, prior to his injury, was making the Redskins a good team despite the general incompetence of the organization.  If Manziel is that sort of player then he can make the Browns good again.  If he needs some nuturing, he is fucked.  His whole career could be ruined.

But I think the Browns made the right call in grabbing him.  They need a qb and at the very least this will attract some attention and hype to their team.  I actually want to see a Browns game on TV just to see how Johnny Football does.  I want him to do well, partially because I have no beef with the Browns so I don't need to see them fail, and partially because a lot of annoying people are saying he won't be able to cut it and so to spite them I'll openly cheer for him.  I really don't like how he gets flack for not being tall enough, when Russell Wilson just won the fucking Superbowl and Drew Brees won it a few years ago.  If you still think normal sized people can't play quarterback in the NFL you're a damn moron and I'd love to see you look like a jackass. :)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2014, 10:58:14 AM
Yeah, I think a lot of that comes from the pre-draft over analysis.  "His hands are small!" "That guy runs REALLY fast!"  So much of it ends up being meaningless bullshit.  There was one guy who pointed out how crappy a lot of those measurables usually turn out to be.  That guys deserves a Pulitzer or a Peabody, whichever is appropriate.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 09, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
I was so damn glad the Eagles didn't pick J.Football.  To those outside of Philly it may have seemed like a no-brainer since we have Nicky Franchise but all the talk this week was if Manzel is there at 22 will the eagles bite. I would have kicked a puppy, many puppies. Hopefully he brings winning back to Cleveland. Lord know they are the only city more starved for a Parade than Philly. 
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2014, 12:28:24 AM
Current leader on the Browns in career passing yards and TDs: Tyler Thigoen. And he's likely to be cut. The Browns are probably going to enter the season with a trio of QBs with a combined 3 games of NFL experience. Our defense is really good and our run game looks to be as well, and they're going to need to be.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ntpcv9I.jpg)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on May 19, 2014, 08:53:05 AM
I'm liking the Saints' moves more and more.  Payton seems to be replacing the guys we gave up on offense, and Ryan seems happy with the defense.  I'm also really confident in the two undrafted rookies we just signed.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 03, 2014, 06:02:50 PM
There's football going on right now, sort of. We're getting close to the start of the season, so my hope for the Browns that I egotistically named this thread after is at its highest point. Who else is excited?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 03, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
I am...but 18 credits this semester so I probably won't be watching much.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Stratos on August 03, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
Gonna watch the games on the big screens at work! Hoping the Hawks make another Superbowl run.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on August 04, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
Looking forward to spending another season as a Cheesehead in the Chicago!! Go Pack Go!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 04, 2014, 10:43:55 PM
Dick LeBeau expects Johnny Manziel to start week 1 and thinks he's going to be successful in the NFL, or at least he says both of those things. I'm pretty sure he said that just to make me and other Browns fans obsessively overanalyze it for the next month.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on August 05, 2014, 05:06:22 PM
I'm in this weird frame of mind where I can't wait for football season to start but also don't really want summer to disappear so quickly.  I guess I'll be good if August goes by at a very normal pace.

My frame of mind, coming off my team winning the Superbowl (hee hee, that's fun to write), is different than normal.  This is the first time a team I've specifically followed as an adult has won a title.  Usually the start of the season is full of anticipation.  "How well will we do this year?  Is a championship a possibility?"  I'll think about the draft picks and wonder if any of them will be some historic player for the franchise that helped them win a title.  Well now that's actually happened which is kind of weird.  But because I'm coming off such a great season my approach to this season is much more relaxed.  Yeah, I want to win another title but I don't NEED to.  Missing the playoffs or having a losing season would be really lame but not the idea of not repeating as champs doesn't really bother me.  There is a nervous tension that I normally have that isn't there.

I'm actually at this point a little more interestd in seeing how OTHER team's draft picks will turn out like Manziel and Clowney.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
My fantasy draft's in an hour and a half and I'll have Madden 3.5 hours after that, so I'm really in the mood for football tonight. Gotta listen to the RFN football special in there somewhere too. I'm really getting excited.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on August 30, 2014, 04:02:40 PM
Finally. Preseason is over! Can't wait to watch Aaron Rodgers stiff arm Richard Sherman en route to a 60-yard TD scramble on opening week!  :cool;
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 02, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
I bet fantasy owners who used an early round pick on Wes Welker are kicking themselves right now. He just got a four game ban.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 03, 2014, 09:51:52 PM
He went relatively late in my draft, so I don't know that the guy who took him's in too much trouble. He could also be a really valuable stash if his owner in your league overreacts and drops him over this.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2014, 06:32:27 AM
Did not realize there was 2 Monday games.  Seahawks vs Packers is the opener tonight.  Might be interesting.  I also did not realize how many games where at 1pm EST.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 04, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
Tough loss. It was never going to be easy. Packers defense looked iffy, their tacking was pathetic with a couple of huge 3rd down penalties that bit us in the ass big time. The injuries were typical for a Packer season, hoping that none of them are too serious. Offense wins games. Defense wins championships. The Seahawks are fun to watch.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 04, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
I'm in this weird frame of mind where I can't wait for football season to start but also don't really want summer to disappear so quickly.  I guess I'll be good if August goes by at a very normal pace.

My frame of mind, coming off my team winning the Superbowl (hee hee, that's fun to write),


my team doesn't even know what a Superbowl is let alone how to get there.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2014, 07:00:09 AM
I only periodically checked the Packers Game and I have Neal on Twitter so yeah.  I feel for the Packer fans.  I had to make sure the Titans weren't playing the Seahawks this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2014, 07:27:56 AM
The Titans are playing the Browns, though, so prepare yourself for that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2014, 07:50:23 AM
The Titans are playing the Browns, though, so prepare yourself for that.
Yeah I saw that.  A little more worried about the Colts the Sunday before.

Looking at the Browns Schedule.  That's after a Bye week that's probably going to be rougher than it should be.

In an ironic twist the Browns vs Ravens game is before a bye and Titans vs Ravens is after a Titans Bye.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2014, 08:28:06 AM
And with all the young talent on the Browns roster, if they're going to start to come together it'll be right around that time.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 06, 2014, 07:41:32 PM
After a long, strung-out process that ended extremely disappointingly, it's now looking like Josh Gordon may not be gone the full season and could be back as soon as week 2. I swear, if the media gets my hopes up yet again and it falls through again I'm going to go on some kind of rampage.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
The Browns, who were down 27-3 at the half, lost their starting running back and best (only?) pass catching weapon, then scored 24 unanswered before the Steelers won it on a last second field goal. I don't know what the hell to make of this.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 07, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
Very exciting game. I thought the Browns were going to pull it off. I was not expecting that kind of comeback. Elsewhere in the NFL, the Bears lost! Now my Facebook news feed has blown up with "Is it hockey season yet?"
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
The Browns got the ball with 2 minutes left and I said this was the opportunity for Hoyer to make a statement and say "This is my team." and then not only didn't he get them points but he went 3 and out, giving Pittsburgh the time to drive down and get the winning field goal. A very disappointing end to a game that was way better than anyone thought it'd be after that first half.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 07, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
My prediction: Broncos vs Seahawks again.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2014, 06:19:13 PM
My prediction: Broncos vs Seahawks again.

Very small sample size, but it does look that way. Denver gets it almost by default, because I don't think anyone in the AFC besides New England would have a chance of taking them out, and they couldn't even beat Miami.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
Can't believe my Saints lost in OT to the Falcons over a damn fumble.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 07, 2014, 07:56:16 PM
I'm glad Titans don't have to go against Denver.  Thought I thought they would since Indianapolis is playing them tonight.  If the Titans can clean up on the penalties I think they have a good chance of doing really well with this years schedule. I don't think Superbowl well but, I'm thinking Play-Off well.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on September 07, 2014, 08:42:19 PM
So I guess the Vikings have decided to go back to trolling Crimm this year based on what I've heard about that preseason.

I'm telling you, that Bridgewater guy? Long lost descendant of Paul Bunyan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 08, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
Can't believe my Saints lost in OT to the Falcons over a damn fumble.
Not to mention that it was Colston of all players that fumbled. Wouldn't expect that from him.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on September 12, 2014, 09:54:51 PM
Damnit Peterson, right when we actually had a chance of actually doing something impressive this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2014, 07:34:41 AM
So here we go today, Browns vs. Saints, me vs. Nickmitch. Let's hope it goes something like it did last time the two teams played, 4 years ago, when the Browns won 30-17.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 14, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
The guy I'm playing against in my fantasy league has Drew Brees as his QB. That pick six really helped! Hopefully there is more where that came from.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2014, 01:26:33 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2014, 06:19:03 PM
*grumble grumble* Someone's head should roll *grumble grumble*
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: nickmitch on September 14, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
I don't wanna talk about it. . .
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on September 14, 2014, 08:22:04 PM
So, let's see how badly the Vikings got slaughtered against the Patriots... ooh... ouch... (for the record I didn't actually see the game because anyone with two functioning brain cells knew how it would end.)

It's interesting because I'm just starting to try and follow football but the Vikings apparently just signed some top guy from their practice squad (Joe Barnyard) to try and help make up for the loss of Peterson who, based on what I see with PR statements and such, may not last much longer in purple and gold.

But to my understanding some people are upset that this Cassel guy who, I guess is the second tier QB, was playing today over Bridgewater which I find understandable given that there's no sense sending your best guy to the slaughter when you can just send the guy nobody cares about instead.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2014, 01:43:07 PM
The Browns and Seahawks have the same record.  Huh?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 15, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
Nice comeback win for the Pack!! I'm still very uneasy about the defense though. Their inability to generate pressure is bothering me.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Shaymin on September 15, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com

/me drops the mic
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2014, 07:04:28 PM
The Browns and Seahawks have the same record.  Huh?

The Browns aren't nearly as bad as a lot of people make them out to be. They probably would've won 8 or 9 games last year if Hoyer hadn't torn his ACL and forced them back to The Brandon Weeden Experience. And they're a better team this year than last at pretty much every position but WR, and with Josh Gordon's suspension getting reduced they'll be better there too for the last 6 games.

So I guess what I'm saying is, we'll see you in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 16, 2014, 05:20:04 AM
Colts got robbed by a no-call penalty and a calling a penalty that did not exist (but it was still a good game). The Sunday night game between the Bears and 49ers was pretty impressive though, 49ers just love getting penalties (and throwing interceptions).
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 17, 2014, 09:10:52 PM
ESPN's NFL section is starting to look like a domestic abuse hotline. Now there's another player that's been deactivated. I wonder how many other players are going to get the same treatment this season. :P:
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Post by: Stogi on September 18, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
To be fair, I think putting a child on a leash is also child abuse, so probably many.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 18, 2014, 12:27:49 PM
To be fair, I think putting a child on a leash is also child abuse, so probably many.
You must not have any kids.  My son actually preferred the leash because, then he didn't have to think about how far he could go and he could lead around if he really wanted to.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 28, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
It would be nice to see the Packers win without the refs being terribad. Oh well, A win is a win. Always good to see us beat the bad news Bears!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on September 28, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
It would be nice to see the Packers win without the refs being terribad. Oh well, A win is a win. Always good to see us beat the bad news Bears!!
Maybe the Vikings will help you out with that :D
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2014, 01:07:07 AM
The Browns beating New Orleans is looking less and less impressive.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on September 29, 2014, 09:58:40 AM
So... Titans... Yeah...  We need to step it up.  Especially next week ;P
As things stands your going to get an easy win.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 29, 2014, 03:45:41 PM
To be fair, I think putting a child on a leash is also child abuse, so probably many.
I used to think it was bad too, but my daughter liked it. And it's so your kids don't run off or turn around and walk into the street all the sudden. Your eyes can't be fixed on them 100% of the time, I imagine quite a few deaths have been prevented from putting a strap on a kid.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 29, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
The Chiefs are running the train on The Patriots.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 30, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
It would be nice to see the Packers win without the refs being terribad. Oh well, A win is a win. Always good to see us beat the bad news Bears!!
Maybe the Vikings will help you out with that :D
I'm just relieved that our piss poor run defense does not have to go against Adrian Peterson. The Packers have the worst run defense in the league. Which is actually pretty ironic since the reason they brought Dom Capers on a few years back was to fix that particular problem.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on October 02, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
I didn't realize Bridgewater was hurt. Once I saw Ponder as I was able to relax.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 03, 2014, 04:27:06 AM
The 2015 NFL Draft will take place in Chicago. Last time it was there was 1964, the year the Browns won their last championship. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2014, 05:20:15 AM
Full disclosure: I didn't even watch the game yesterday. I wasn't feeling well, woke up at one point where the Browns were down I think 28-13 in the third quarter, said **** it and went back to sleep, missing the biggest comeback in team history. Sorry, Ceric.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on October 06, 2014, 08:25:36 AM
FOR GOD SAKES GUYS HAVEN'T WE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS STUFF? (http://m.startribune.com/local/278184681.html)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
Well, it wasn't anything violent, at least. Moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
Full disclosure: I didn't even watch the game yesterday. I wasn't feeling well, woke up at one point where the Browns were down I think 28-13 in the third quarter, said **** it and went back to sleep, missing the biggest comeback in team history. Sorry, Ceric.
I was on the trip and only caught a little of the first and the half time report.  I was like alright our main QB is out for the rest of the game we won't be scoring any more points.  Just need to hold on.  Check in later 28 to 29... Really... In the news this morning our head coach is quoted as saying he's lost for words.

What really makes this hurt more for me is that historically speaking we've always had a lot of depth in the QB position where are Second was equivalent to a lot of peoples starters just nearing retirement.  Now we have nothing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
Not only is Brian Hoyer a high-level clutch quarterback, but he's also one hell of a dancer.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
http://deadspin.com/it-took-36-browns-qbs-31-years-to-match-peyton-mannings-1642984489?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/it-took-36-browns-qbs-31-years-to-match-peyton-mannings-1642984489?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)


It took the Browns 36 quarterbacks and 28 seasons to do what Peyton Manning did in 16 years.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: pokepal148 on October 06, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
So browns QB is looking into dancing as a career choice and about half the Vikings offense is probably going to be behind bars by the end of the year.

it's an interesting time to be a fan of a bad football team it seems, Browns are worse though :smug:
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 07, 2014, 06:36:38 AM
The Browns aren't a bad football team right now. I don't know that they're particularly good either, but 2-2, having been in every game until the end, isn't bad. And with their next four games being against a banged up Pittsburgh team and then Oakland, Tampa Bay and Jacksonville, I think they're in decent shape.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
SUCK IT, PITTSBURGH! Ben Roethlisberger drops to a pathetic 18-2 against the Cleveland Browns! All hail Brian Hoyer!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on October 12, 2014, 09:14:24 PM
SUCK IT, PITTSBURGH! Ben Roethlisberger drops to a pathetic 18-2 against the Cleveland Browns! All hail Brian Hoyer!
And the Dolphins drop to a pathetic 10-4 record all time against the Green Bay Packers! Laces out Dan!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2014, 09:19:44 AM
And we're back to that Seattle and Cleveland having the same record thing.  These last few games the Seahawks are playing less like the dominant Superbowl favourites of last year and more like the "hope we can string together enough wins to make the playoffs" team of, well, practically every other year of their existence.  Oh and they just traded away their top receiver for pretty much nothing.

But I'm not allowed to be THAT upset, being reigning World Champions (of the United States) and all that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns comes here to die
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Monday Night Football is one of the biggest stages in the league, and what's more fitting of that than Colt McCoy and Brandon Weeden?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 06, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
It's November, we're 10 weeks into the season, and the Browns are in first place in their division. The rapture is clearly upon us, this is the end of days. I encourage all people here to make peace with whatever deities you may hold dear.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on November 07, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
Would it be a jinx to say they are the real deal? ;)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: pokepal148 on November 07, 2014, 10:38:39 PM
It's November, we're 10 weeks into the season, and the Browns are in first place in their division. The rapture is clearly upon us, this is the end of days. I encourage all people here to make peace with whatever deities you may hold dear.
Oh don't be so proud, it's all because RFN predicted that they were least likely to win the division that they are winning now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 08, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
As I recall, Greg wasn't completely writing them off. They didn't know what to make of the division, and I don't think anyone expected that 10 weeks in every team in it would have a winning record.

The real fun begins in two weeks when we get last year's NFL leading receiver in Josh Gordon back for the stretch run.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on November 09, 2014, 09:04:18 PM
Season sweep of of the Bears!! Feels good man!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
With Pittsburgh's loss to the Jets, the Browns are now in sole possession of first place for the first time since 1995.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2014, 06:35:53 AM
Man my team was dominating... If you ignore 3/4 of the game where they look like a team of 5 year olds in the NFL.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: pokepal148 on November 10, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
Yeah the Vikings were great this year until the season started
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on November 16, 2014, 09:47:33 PM
And Bears fans said that Peppers was washed up..... :cool;
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: pokepal148 on November 16, 2014, 10:04:56 PM
Oh, I hear Washington had a fun time with the Vikings a few weeks ago, Crimm? Any comments?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on November 17, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
The Seahawks have this trademark offensive play this season that they must do 20 times a game.  Wilson takes the snap in the shotgun, passes to a receiver standing to the side of him 3 or 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage, the receiver proceeds to run smack into a wall of defenders and gain maybe 2 yards if he's lucky and get tackled for a loss when he's not.  Why set up a pass to someone who has to make some yards after the catch just to reach the line of scrimmage?  ARRGH!!!!

Losing to the Chiefs really annoys me because, frankly, they're phonies.  They're not REALLY a good team.  We all know they'll go all Andy Reid in the playoffs and blow it.  They're like the Falcons were a few seasons ago - taking the playoff spot from a team that actually can contend in the postseason.  And speaking of Atlanta they're currently leading the NFC South with a losing record.  This is clearly karma for the time the Seahawks won their division with a losing record.

Playoffs are not completely out of the question but look unlikely.  All I need to remember is that after winning their first Superbowl the Patriots went 9-7 and missed the playoffs but then won the next two Superbowls.  So you never know.  Still frustrating as all hell though.  Figured the worst case scenario this season was going out in the first round.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2014, 11:08:31 AM
The most amazing catch ever!?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000433435/article/giants-odell-beckham-makes-catch-of-the-year

Spidey Grip activated.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stogi on November 26, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
Amazing? Yes. Most amazing? No.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LDyMvN539f0/Ufdi9fg9myI/AAAAAAAAOAo/ZbcuiRFIaKE/s1600/Edwin-Baptiste.gif)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ceric on November 26, 2014, 08:32:37 AM
Give that man a bonus.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Khushrenada on November 26, 2014, 05:14:24 PM
Pffh. He didn't even make it to the endzone.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 27, 2014, 08:43:57 PM
Richard Sherman would have intercepted that pass. I think Seattle's going back to the Super Bowl, most likely against (and beating) the Patriots.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on November 28, 2014, 09:21:14 AM
Legion of Boom is back, baby!

The last two games the Seahawks have played like they did last year - suffocating defence with "eh, gets it done" offense.  The team pretty much has to win every game from here on out to make the playoffs, or at least to do so without relying on the outcome of games they're not playing, and prior to the Arizona game I wasn't thinking that could be done.  Now I'm thinking it can.  I've got confidence in this team again that I haven't had since the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: pokepal148 on November 28, 2014, 01:32:43 PM
So, how bad are the vikings doing now...

Hmm, 4-7, better then I was expecting...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2014, 04:11:54 AM
Awful, awful loss for the Browns yesteday. The defense got 4 turnovers and 2 defensive touchdowns off one of the most explosive offenses in the league, pressured Luck all day, but the offense couldn't do anything at all. I have to imagine Brian Hoyer's now played his last game as a Brown.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 08, 2014, 06:45:48 AM
Does San Diego even realize that they have a football team? The Chargers were getting booed out of their own stadium and everyone was chanting Brady. If it wasn't for the field I would have thought that was a home game for the Patriots.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: pokepal148 on December 08, 2014, 09:40:24 AM
Vikings now 6-7,

We're making a Comeback, you'd better believe it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Soren on January 11, 2015, 01:09:12 PM
The NFL...where reaching for the goal line is not considered a "football move".
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
Holy ****, that unexpectedly became one of the greatest football games I've ever seen in the final minutes. One of the all time greatest playoff collapses by the Packers. Seattle's a team of destiny, they can't be stopped.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2015, 04:41:10 PM
Agreed. That was simply amazing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stratos on January 18, 2015, 06:01:53 PM
I could tell something happened because the neighbors were screaming like an ax murderer was in their midst doing his thing. I then realized this was Sunday and not Saturday and ran to check the score. What a finish that was. I predict a mediocre Superbowl. Hawks will "earn" the Superbowl in the semi-finals like they did last year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
Yeah, the Patriots are pretty decent.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: ShyGuy on January 18, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
I still had people still yelling Seahawks at me on the street an hour after the game.

Hawks and Patriots, this should be interesting.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ceric on January 19, 2015, 09:12:53 AM
I'm going to come out and say it that the NFL needs to sit down and do something about there team.  Its not a competitive league.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm happy someone from my Division even made it to the Championships but, there was this interesting stat that they popped up during the game.  Tom Brady has played in more Post Season games than 21 FRANCHISES.  That's a little wrong and shows you that you don't have a competitive organization.  If you want to Win in the NFL there is only a handful of teams that can get you there is what that says.  Which is not good for the game.

Poor Packers...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on January 19, 2015, 09:27:39 AM
With the Seahawks game I went from shouting at the screen to screaming at it.

I had a bad omen at the beginning as I got confused about the start time and turned the game on when it was already halfway through the first quarter.  So already I'm in a bad mood and Seattle is down by six and is just playing like ****.  I spent 90% of that game in a downer mood, complaining about how embarrassing it was for them to end the season with such a lame performance.  I'm a Canucks fan.  I've seen the "let the fans get emotionally invested in you only for you to **** the bed when it matters" routine many times before.  It feels like a con, like you were a sucker to get excited in the first place.  It's not a con if your team plays well but loses.  It's a con when they play so poorly it looks like they're not even trying.

And then they go and pull this miracle victory completely out of their asses!  This must feel awful for Packer fans.  Once the Hawks got the onside kick my assumptions completely flipped.  "They're going to do this! Holy ****!"  There were Seahawk players crying after the game.  I was just shocked.  Throughout the rest of the day I kept asking my brother if it really happened.  Even now it doesn't seem real.

Now we face the Patriots who are my absolute least favourite team.  I've never cared for Tom Brady.  I remember an interview a few years back, where he was talking about being drafted in the sixth round and was crying about it!  "Well I've won three Superbowls, I'm a millionaire married to a supermodel, I'm the greatest player in Patriots history, a sure-lock hall of famer and in the discussion as the greatest quarterback of my generation.  I have proven every doubter wrong... but I was slighted in the draft and it still hurts so much that I'm crying like a baby even though being drafted PERIOD is an opportunity that most people never get in the first place."  What a fucking entitled prick.  Everything has worked out for him but he whines and cries about a teeny tiny speed bump along the way.

Of course with my favourite team against my least favourite team, this makes my personal stakes in the Superbowl that much greater.  With last year's win I can live with them losing this year but losing to New England?  Letting Tom Brady get a fourth ring?  Ugh, that would really annoy me.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Soren on January 19, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
Tom Brady has played in more Post Season games than 21 FRANCHISES.  That's a little wrong and shows you that you don't have a competitive organization.  If you want to Win in the NFL there is only a handful of teams that can get you there is what that says.  Which is not good for the game.


The only thing it shows is that there are less than 32 decent quarterbacks in the league right now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 19, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
7.1BILLION PEOPLE ON EARTH AND ONLY 5 GREAT QUARTERBACKS. That speaks to me in a "pale blue dot" kinda way.


Tom Brady has been the best QB of all time for 6 years now but he hasn't done much to widen the gap since then. If he wins another then I think he puts a little more room between him and Joe.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on January 20, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
I still can't believe I watched Packers choke away another playoff game. I didn't think I could see anything worse than the "4th and 26" game years ago against the Eagles. This one is going to sting for a loooooong time. :(  Still, they had a great season and there's always next year!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
Did you guys watch the same game I did? Apparently you did not. My bad.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2015, 10:34:50 PM
I'm not sure which last play you're talking about...the last play was a (perfect) touchdown pass, the last play in the regular game was a field goal. I don't think there was a single roughing the passer call in the game (there was a blindside hit called, 100% correctly, against Clay Matthews (who really should have been ejected for that). There was only one pass interference call and it was against Seattle. The Packers weren't snubbed, they just made a huge mistake on the onside kick and lost because of it. I can only assume you're making stuff up, or talking about their game from September 2012 with the replacement refs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
Yeah, I searched for highlights from a playoff game since I wasn't able to watch it and got the highlights from a different game. Completely idiotic on my part. I'll go watch the real games highlights.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2015, 11:03:22 PM
Ahem...yeah...

That game was amazing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 21, 2015, 05:55:48 AM
You're excused for not keeping up with either team, but Golden Tate has been playing for the Lions all season so that would have been a giveaway...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Shaymin on January 21, 2015, 05:42:16 PM
Ballghazi might be the stupidest controversy in the history of the big four American sports + NFL.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 21, 2015, 07:45:26 PM
It arguably would not have changed the outcome of the game, however it's still cheating. The balls had ~15% less pressure in them which makes them much easier to catch.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2015, 08:01:42 PM
I don't condone cheating, but I just love Belichick's insanity. To even think of the plan to slightly deflate all the balls to give yourself an advantage is crazy, let alone to actually do it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 01, 2015, 07:10:56 PM
How many Super Bowls is Pete Carroll going to have to win to get people to stop talking about that play call?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Soren on February 01, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
It's almost like Seattle really thought the Patriots were going to let them score to get the ball back.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2015, 07:24:37 PM
I just can't believe that stupid play. That's fucking ridiculous. 3 chances from the 1 yard line and you just give it away.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Shaymin on February 01, 2015, 08:17:20 PM
I don't know why he was here.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 01, 2015, 10:11:51 PM
How many Super Bowls is Pete Carroll going to have to win to get people to stop talking about that play call?


1 more win and they'll simmer down a bit. While I get the logic that everybody in the world thought "BEASTMODE" so go quick slant, I would have not called it. NOPE. That's why God made horses.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on February 01, 2015, 10:44:51 PM
Early in the season I said I wouldn't act like an entitled ass.  That the Seahawks winning the title last year would prohibit me from having any right to truly pout about losses for at least 10 years when many fans have never seen their team win it all.

Having said that....


WHY THE **** DID THEY TRY A PASS?!  YOU'VE GOT ONLY 1 YARD, A TIMEOUT AND THREE DOWNS TO WORK WITH.  YOU'VE GOT THE BEST RUNNING BACK IN FOOTBALL IN GETTING YARDS AFTER CONTACT AND YOU DON'T TRY TO HAVE HIM PUNCH IT IN?!  THEY HAD THIS IN THE BAG!  ARRRGH!!!!


Now I'm getting a little annoyed now talking about it but earlier tonight when I was a few hours removed from the game I was in a perfectly acceptable mood.  It's not that big of a deal.  It's a bummer but 20 years from now I'll look back at the Superbowl that was won, not the one that was lost.  Carrol, Lynch, Wilson and the LOB will always be the guys that gave us a title.  And they are still young so we don't know what the future holds.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stratos on February 01, 2015, 11:46:30 PM
Was a fitting end. Lost with a yard to go to victory.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ceric on February 02, 2015, 06:34:56 AM
...
WHY THE **** DID THEY TRY A PASS?!
...
They were trying to thin the Defense a little.  The idea was to take the throw to show to NE that you would than run it when the defense is slightly less.  Statistically speaking it was a good idea.  That was the rookies first interception ever.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 02, 2015, 06:39:24 AM
They'll be back in hunt next year and maybe the year after that. No hope for my Eagles and the genius.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2015, 11:02:09 AM
New England got away with a few blatant penalties in the 4th quarter (tripping pass interference, the out of bounds hit that never happened), I'm sure it has nothing to do with Roger Goodell being in Robert Kraft's booth. Still, they were handed that win in the last minute and it really sucked. Good way to win, but a horrible way to lose.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 02, 2015, 12:34:21 PM
Seahawks Fan Reaction VS Patriots Superbowl XLIX (49) 2-1-2015 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqbyc2oo3q8)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2015, 06:45:30 PM
The draft's going on right now, and so far I'm very happy because the Browns got nose tackle Danny Shelton at 12, who I figured was the best case scenario there. Now let's see them do it again at 19.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 30, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
Finally...I can stop hearing about Marcus Mariotta coming to the Eagles. (Did I mention yet how much I don't like Chip Kelly)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Stratos on May 01, 2015, 06:15:40 PM
The draft's going on right now, and so far I'm very happy because the Browns got nose tackle Danny Shelton at 12, who I figured was the best case scenario there. Now let's see them do it again at 19.


My wife went to high school with Danny Shelton.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 01, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
The draft's going on right now, and so far I'm very happy because the Browns got nose tackle Danny Shelton at 12, who I figured was the best case scenario there. Now let's see them do it again at 19.


My wife went to high school with Danny Shelton.

He sounds like a great guy. The only college player last year to be both 1st Team All American and 1st Team Academic All American. And fucking massive, he literally picked up Roger Goodell when he came up after being drafted.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Lucario on June 08, 2015, 09:50:29 PM
bit of trivia Microsofts Cortana predicted 90% of the 2014 Fifa correctly.
BOW TO YOUR AI OVERLORDS! BUWAWAWA!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 20, 2015, 10:50:48 PM


That's why they call him Johnny Football.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Welp, Seahawks lost it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on September 21, 2015, 08:49:11 AM
6 Post above this one there is a Post on April 30th 2015 about how I don't like Chip Kelly...Nothing has changed. I can't stand his John Madden Football style play calling. Hate it. He's killing my birds and I can't stop him. That is all
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2015, 09:20:32 AM
So the Seahawks traded their best offensive lineman in Max Unger for Jimmy Graham.  Seemed like a good move on paper to improve the offense.  Now the o-line sucks, and it was already the weakest link last year, and Jimmy Graham has been invisible.  But it doesn't even seem like Graham is being targeted in offensive plays.  So you trade a valuable player for someone that you then seemingly refuse to actually use?  WTF?!  Last year there was this whole thing where Percy Harvin, for whatever reason, wasn't fitting in with the offense.  At the time I just assumed it was on Harvin.  But now it looks like a repeat with Graham where someone that was a good receiver on another team just doesn't seem to work in our offense.  Hmmmm.  And this is the OC that called that idiotic pass in the Superbowl.  Something is up here.  No way BOTH Percy Harvin and Jimmy Graham just happen to be useless slugs that only thrived in the specific system of their prior team.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 21, 2015, 04:51:55 PM
Green Bay got away with a lot of no call penalties in the first half...but Seattle still should have won that game. Lynch couldn't get any yards in the first half either, they should have thrown the ball. It was still a good game though.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2015, 04:52:10 AM
San Francisco sucks, but Seattle whooped their ass last night. Even with two interceptions that would have been touchdown passes, Seattle's defense was unrelenting and San Fran punted 9/11 possessions (with the first half ending what would have been 10/11) and 2 forced fumbles. Very fun to watch, especially after Seattle gave up in the fourth (again) on Sunday.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
I think the 49ers are gonna fire their QB. Kapernick has lost it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 24, 2015, 06:37:04 AM
It's hard to put it all on him, there is hardly anyone left from the 2012 Super Bowl 49ers. If he had people to block for him and throw to then maybe he'd be doing better. Then again, Seattle's offensive line is pretty lackluster these days (Wilson is most sacked in the NFL...though Kaepernick came close to matching him in that one game along), but he didn't have too many problems picking up some great runs of his own, in spite of the Levi turf trying to break his ankles.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 02:30:44 PM
This is not going to be a good year for my beloved Cowboys. My fall back team is also not doing so well. Might have to just accept this as a throw away season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on December 08, 2015, 08:58:35 AM
Well looks like Cassel can play football when it actually counts. Of course that was not a fun game to watch until the last quarter.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2015, 02:17:04 PM
Man, I need to update the name of this thread.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 08, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
Seahawks are back to dominating. 3rd Super Bowl in a row is on its way...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: nickmitch on December 08, 2015, 06:08:14 PM
I don't think they can beat Carolina.  It would make for a great NFC Championship game though.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 08, 2015, 06:14:21 PM
I didn't think Denver could beat New England (or god damn Philly, for that matter)...it's possible.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion of concussions and the undefeated 11-1 Panthers
Post by: Shaymin on December 08, 2015, 06:26:09 PM
Is Goddell shitcanned yet?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2015, 06:41:40 PM
He's not going anywhere anytime soon unless Loretta Lynch goes after him.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2015, 11:20:51 AM
I'm pretty sure no major sports league commissioner has even been fired.  They always hang on for decades until they retire.  The NFL probably doesn't want the embarrassment of being the league that fired their commish for incompetence.  It would have to get to the point where firing him would be less damaging to the league's image than keeping him on.  Goodell deserves some special recognition for being the ONLY sports commish to be seen as worse than NHL commish Gary Bettman since Bettman was hired in 1993.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: Shaymin on December 09, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
Huh, I thought Fay Vincent (MLB 1989 - 1992) got fired, turns out he resigned.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 09, 2015, 06:09:21 PM
You'd have to be really, really bad to truly get fired. Even if a guy's getting forced out he'll generally be allowed to at least pretend it was his choice.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: nickmitch on December 09, 2015, 07:14:49 PM
I didn't think Denver could beat New England (or god damn Philly, for that matter)...it's possible.

Injuries beat the Patriots. Also, not having Old Man Peyton helped too.

And Goodell's not going anywhere. The league gave up TAX EXEMPT STATUS (something granted to them specifically by an act of Congress) in order to hide his salary (and take a little heat off their general dickery).
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns might somehow be alive
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on December 10, 2015, 06:58:41 AM
I didn't think Denver could beat New England (or god damn Philly, for that matter)...it's possible.

Injuries beat the Patriots. Also, not having Old Man Peyton helped too.

And Goodell's not going anywhere. The league gave up TAX EXEMPT STATUS (something granted to them specifically by an act of Congress) in order to hide his salary (and take a little heat off their general dickery).


Oh is that what it was, I thought it was a noble act to inspire more loyalty to capitalism and shut up the boston $^% party crowd.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns migBWAHAHAHAHA
Post by: nickmitch on December 11, 2015, 02:31:54 PM
I didn't think Denver could beat New England (or god damn Philly, for that matter)...it's possible.

Injuries beat the Patriots. Also, not having Old Man Peyton helped too.

And Goodell's not going anywhere. The league gave up TAX EXEMPT STATUS (something granted to them specifically by an act of Congress) in order to hide his salary (and take a little heat off their general dickery).


Oh is that what it was, I thought it was a noble act to inspire more loyalty to capitalism and shut up the boston $^% party crowd.

Mostly, yes.  There was the frequent misunderstanding as to what the NFL was.  Anytime the league came under fire, lazy journalist and angry fans would cite how the League rakes in "billions in revenue" and call them "completely tax-free", with the former quote missing the difference between 'revenue' and 'income' and the latter quote not understanding how (or that) the NFL distributes earnings.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: insanolord's hope for the Browns migBWAHAHAHAHA
Post by: Ceric on December 13, 2015, 04:10:24 AM
Oh the Titan's are doing 50% better than last year (<,< )(>,>)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: In Johnny Insanolord Trusts
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 03, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
Miami did the one thing that mattered this season (assuming Denver wins).

When Seattle kicks your ass, they really kick your ass.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on January 04, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
Well Dallas was a write off this damn season. Hear is hoping the Chiefs can go the distance in their place.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 09, 2016, 09:04:02 PM
That Pittsburgh-Cincinnati game was a complete and utter travesty. The officials let it get out of hand, with fights and injuries piling up left and right, and then Pittsburgh got a field goal to win it at the end after being spotted 30 yards by two consecutive very stupid and very deserved personal foul calls against the Bengals defense. Just a mess.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Shaymin on January 09, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
(http://cdn1.thecomeback.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/dumpsterfire.png)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Ceric on January 10, 2016, 03:45:24 PM
Titan's are #1*  Titan's are #1*





* in the draft Picks
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 10, 2016, 03:52:31 PM
We almost caught you, but we couldn't quite get there.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2016, 05:55:22 PM
Minnesota's holder: Ray Finkle

YES! Seahawks win!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Stratos on January 10, 2016, 06:10:32 PM
That was an intense ending. I feel sorry for the kicker, but it's nice to see the luck of the Hawks return for the playoffs. I just hope they don't rely on it as much for the rest of the games.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2016, 07:39:52 PM
It was -3° almost the entire game. Vikings didn't do much either, and they are the NFC North champions. I've already said this...but Seattle is going all the way.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
I figured that comeback against Green Bay last year was the most unlikely playoff victory I would witness from my team but somehow that got topped.  Me yesterday: "Ah nuts, looks like we're out of the... HOLY **** HE MISSED!  WE WON!!!!"

I don't know what I did to deserve the magic team that is the Legion of Boom era Seahawks.  The teams of the other sports I follow are more like, well, the Vikings - pretty good most of the time but certain to blow it when it matters.  My fandom is usually the kiss of death for a team.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on January 11, 2016, 01:51:58 PM
I watched that Pittsburgh game, it was so stupid how those last few minutes went.


In other news http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/11/super-bowl-to-air-after-long-lost-footage-surfaces.html?intcmp=hpbt4


Looks like NFL Network will air the very first Super Bowl this Friday.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: nickmitch on January 11, 2016, 03:48:56 PM
Holy ****, that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 11, 2016, 09:15:57 PM
Vontaze Burfict will be suspended 3 games for what happened in the Bengals-Steelers game, so the NFL considers what he did to Antonio Brown worse than beating your girlfriend, but not quite as bad as smoking marijuana or deflating footballs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2016, 06:09:02 PM
He also knee'd Big Ben in his right should after driving him into the ground. Cincinnati should just release him, and no one should hire him.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Shaymin on January 12, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
As someone who works with one of the cities that got boned tonight, I hope the owners collectively fall on road cones rear-end first.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: ShyGuy on January 12, 2016, 09:33:47 PM
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/Bill-Belichick-with-Black-Eye-0112-jpg_zpscnk1piwb.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/shyguy70/media/Bill-Belichick-with-Black-Eye-0112-jpg_zpscnk1piwb.jpg.html)

Was Greg Leahy aka Yoshidious in Foxborough, Massachusetts this weekend?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2016, 07:28:56 PM
It's a cliche, and it's not always true, but it sure as hell was tonight: Defense wins championships. Cam Newton won the MVP, but he got completely destroyed by Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware, who carried Peyton Manning off into the sunset.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 07, 2016, 07:50:02 PM
Von Miller is the real deal. Hell of a career for Peyton. Pretty awesome to see the #2 draft pick destroy the #1 draft pick. One of my friends is whining about the game, but he's an Eagles fan anyway. I thought it was a good game...but I'm a Denver fan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: lolmonade on February 08, 2016, 06:28:51 AM
Carolina is my adopted team since moving to NC from IL (although I still pine for the day I see da Bears back in the playoffs & competitive).  It was a good game, even if my preferred team lost.


Both defenses played great, Carolina was simply the first to crack between the two.  That, the Carolina offense not executing on the few opportunities they had, and shooting themselves in the foot with penalties made it insurmountable. 


I was rooting for Carolina, but didn't mind either team winning.  Both teams deserved to be there, two defenses and one offense were playing like they wanted to win.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: nickmitch on February 08, 2016, 09:09:28 AM
Another proud win for the City of New Orleans.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Stratos on February 08, 2016, 09:54:05 PM
Can't believe that Marshawn Lynch is retiring. I was hoping for one more year with him. Hopefully that frees up some money for a couple promising rookies in the draft.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
I find it hilarious that a team that made a double murder suspect captain for well over a decade made a big stink about taking a guy off their draft board because he smoked weed in college.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
Right now is Peak Optimism for Browns fans. Exciting new coach, lots of potential from a talented draft class, Josh Gordon reinstated, and Robert Griffin III tearing it up in the preseason. It's all downhill from here.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: nickmitch on August 18, 2016, 06:55:00 PM
I find it hilarious that a team that made a double murder suspect captain for well over a decade made a big stink about taking a guy off their draft board because he smoked weed in college.

Wasn't his crime obstruction of justice? But yeah, they pick a weird time to clean up their image.

Also, the NFL needs to get the stick out its ass about marijuana.  Honestly, I think if the NFL went easier on it, it might even shift the national opinion a smidge (not that it isn't heading in that direction already).
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: lolmonade on August 19, 2016, 10:05:29 AM
I find it hilarious that a team that made a double murder suspect captain for well over a decade made a big stink about taking a guy off their draft board because he smoked weed in college.

Wasn't his crime obstruction of justice? But yeah, they pick a weird time to clean up their image.

Also, the NFL needs to get the stick out its ass about marijuana.  Honestly, I think if the NFL went easier on it, it might even shift the national opinion a smidge (not that it isn't heading in that direction already).


Do you know what one of NFL's biggest sponsors is?  Bud Light plastered EVERYWHERE.  I assure you, it's all about business, not morals.  Although obviously it doesn't help that Marijuana is only legal in a handful of states and the Fed just stated it will stay classified the same way cocaine is.

Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
There's a little more nuance to the Fed's official stance on the drug, but I worry this line of discussion bleeds too far over the politics line, so we should probably let it go.  But I totally see your point.  Alcohol and other recreational drugs pretty much compete for the exact same market space.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: rygar on August 19, 2016, 12:33:16 PM
Win total over/under for the Jets is 7.5-8 on most sites I've found. I'd take the over (but not by much). The schedule is difficult, but it's front loaded, so I'm hoping for a late season playoff push on the strength of what appears to be a strong defense. Kind of like last year, but hopefully with a better ending.

Is there a college thread too?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 19, 2016, 03:58:03 PM
Is there a college thread too?

Unless I've missed something over the years, I don't believe we've had a college football thread, which is odd considering how many big fans of it we've had on here in that time.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: ShyGuy on September 12, 2016, 07:08:36 PM
Nobody's talking football now that it started?

Great game by the Hawks yesterday, they pulled off the last minute win.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2016, 07:30:46 PM
I don't wanna talk about it. . .
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 12, 2016, 08:39:36 PM
RG3's going to injured reserve, but the Browns are basically tanking this season so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: Phil on September 12, 2016, 09:16:57 PM
Mwahahaha. The Rams still suck. (We were getting tired of their losing seasons anyway.)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: rygar on September 13, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
I knew the Jets had an inaccurate, weak armed QB who makes poor decisions. That's life in the NFL where there's usually only 15 or so decent QBs available for 32 teams. It's up to the front office and coaches to figure out how to win without a dominant passer. What's more immediately troubling is getting seven sacks and still letting Andy Dalton complete 77% of his passes for 350+. It doesn't bold well for a secondary that has traditionally been a strength of the team. Otherwise, Jets looked pretty good and should contend for a wild card if they can tighten up some stuff.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: lolmonade on September 13, 2016, 08:17:24 AM
Bears looked good half a game, so that was nice... :-\
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Firing Everybody's Going to Work This Time
Post by: rygar on September 16, 2016, 04:04:53 AM
That was the Jets at their best and worst last night. Luckily more best, and it was on the road in a short week against a divisional rival that has recently had their number. I'm always hard on Fitzpatrick so I should acknowledge he played a lot better. That's the kind of decision making they need from him to win. The secondary was still burned a couple times, but they played better too. The DL is arguably the best in the NFL, and the LBs are good, so they should be ok with a coverage adjustment. They just won't be able to aggressively blitz as often as usual, which may not be that much of a problem with their front seven. I'm reasonably pleased with all of the offensive and defensive units. They are playing relatively well so far. This schedule is front loaded, so they should be in the thick of the wild card late if they are .500 through the first half.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: Khushrenada on September 19, 2016, 11:19:19 PM
but the Browns are basically tanking this season so it doesn't really matter.

How is this different from any other season? Insanolord sets himself up as a big, easy target and Khushrenada nails the bullseye. Zing!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 19, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
This year they're doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: pokepal148 on September 20, 2016, 12:24:21 AM
Oh, they weren't doing it on purpose before? I couldn't tell.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2016, 06:53:16 AM
The Rams had no right to win the game against the Seahawks on Sunday. Did the Hawks throw the match because it was their new home debut?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: nickmitch on September 20, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
Still don't wanna talk about it. . .
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: pokepal148 on September 22, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
Just be happy your football team isn't the one playing in Charlotte this weekend.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 25, 2016, 01:48:57 PM
I don't even want the Browns to win this year, but the ending to today's game still felt like a punch to the gut. Rookie third string QB Cody Kessler made his NFL debut and looked pretty solid, making good reads and good decisions with the ball. Terrelle Pryor did a little bit of everything and was a force to be reckoned with in that offense (and even one play on defense). This is a team that was awful to begin with, and is in even worse shape after being decimated by injuries, but they outplayed the Miami Dolphins today and deserved to win, and would have if not for three(!) missed field goals by Cody Parkey.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: rygar on September 25, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
Fitzpatrick's QBR was 98.3 points less than it was against Buffalo. The Jets last five drives ended in interceptions. Bowles and Gailey have their hands full.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 25, 2016, 08:34:18 PM
Seattle's offense is back.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: Soren on September 26, 2016, 11:10:35 AM
but they outplayed the Miami Dolphins today and deserved to win, and would have if not for three(!) missed field goals by Cody Parkey.


I'm sure the Browns would have found a way to lose it even if Parkey made all six of his kicks.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: lolmonade on September 26, 2016, 11:20:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mpKZg.jpg)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 26, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
but they outplayed the Miami Dolphins today and deserved to win, and would have if not for three(!) missed field goals by Cody Parkey.

I'm sure the Browns would have found a way to lose it even if Parkey made all six of his kicks.

He missed one in a tie game as time expired in regulation. Even the Browns couldn't blow it if he'd made that one.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2016, 04:50:24 PM
Seahawks continue to be the kings of the 4th quarter win.

And how bout the Bills? They're having a decent season so far!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 17, 2016, 05:09:39 PM
The Browns are 0-6 but there are some positives to take from this season despite that. They're an extremely young team, with rookies and second year guys making up about half the roster, and a lot of those young guys are showing growth. If not for a rash of injuries this team would probably have a couple wins, given how many close games they've been in.

But the big development is Cody Kessler, the third round rookie quarterback. Pressed into service after RG3 and Josh McCown went down, he's shown remarkable poise and performed better than anyone could have hoped under the circumstances. Playing behind a largely terrible offensive line with few proven weapons in the receiving corps, he's still completed about two thirds of his passes and not turned the ball over after his first drive a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: rygar on October 17, 2016, 05:28:30 PM
I haven't continued posting in this thread because it's boring to trash your favorite team's QB every week, and that and a loose secondary are the stories of the Jets season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2016, 06:11:03 PM
Remember when the Jets had Tebow?I bet they wouldn't be 1 and 4 with him on the roster.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 17, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
No, they'd probably be 0-5.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: rygar on October 17, 2016, 07:11:31 PM
He's thankfully the Mets problem now:

(https://cdn.ampproject.org/i/media.nj.com/mets_main/photo/tim-tebow-4317304996ade19c.jpg)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: pokepal148 on October 17, 2016, 08:31:04 PM
I'm going to be a tiny bit annoyed if the Vikings make it all the way to the superbowl before finally losing a game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 26, 2016, 07:03:03 AM
Well, that was a strange game last Sunday. I didn't even know they allowed ties in the NFL.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: rygar on October 26, 2016, 07:53:29 AM
Don't worry about it, neither did Donovan McNabb. I've seen a few over the years.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
Well, that was disappointing. Seahawks offense...
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2016, 10:42:05 PM
At least the Raiders are Winning :D
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: rygar on October 31, 2016, 08:43:52 AM
Jack Del Rio is doing an unbelievable job with that ridiculous travel schedule and brutal division.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on November 07, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
Sorry Greg, but if the Seahawks had lost to the Bills, I would never forgive them.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2016, 06:40:24 AM
Seahawks pulled it off w/ a little luck during the Warriors half-time break. Thanks Buffalo Wild Wings (your sponsor for this message).

But I picked up 2 Raiders cups while I was there, because the Raiders are actually doing something this year, and it's called winning.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 08, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
Seahawks - Bills was the best MNF game in a long time. And that was NOT roughing the kicker. Clearly Sherman got to the ball first, and there was no whistle. He continues the play, and Carpenter continued the play. It wasn't dirty, it was genius. Refs did f it up with the delay of game though.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: nickmitch on November 12, 2016, 09:26:15 PM
My Saints are losing one of our experienced defensive starters to a suspension.  This is at a time where our defense is starting to gel just enough to get us a shot at the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: ShyGuy on December 11, 2016, 11:03:58 PM
That was a bummer. Losing to the Packers? Really?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Where Do You Think You Are, CLEVELAND?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
BROWNS WIN! It's a Christmas miracle!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2016, 05:05:29 PM
49ers won too.... what were they thinking?

But Derick Carr... out w/ a broken fibula.
Hopefully the Bronos win tomorrow. Raiders will need the extra time for recovery.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Not going 0-16 and still holding onto the #1 pick. Merry Christmas, Cleveland!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2016, 09:52:28 PM
Not going 0-16 and still holding onto the #1 pick. Merry Christmas, Cleveland!

exactly why I was questioning why SF would fight so hard for that win.
Your record is terrible, 1 extra win is not gonna fix anything... not even your pride. But I guess you get to celebrate your Xmas with a win, so that's something.

as for the team not even worth a logo:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0e7YowUkAEEGYw.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0eJkNvW8AEBxQc.jpg)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
It's the difference between extremely bad and historically bad. Everybody remembers that Lions team that went 0-16, but nobody's going to bring up a 1-15 season as a trivia question years from now.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
If you're referring to SF, then they already had 1 win. Cleveland was putting them back in contention to get that #1 Draft pick. And they knew Cleve won before their game was over.

1 win was a blessing for Cleveland, a merry Xmas to them. SF fighting for Win #2 was just handing Clevelenad the #1 pick again, giftwrapping their 1 win this season (so far).
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: rygar on December 26, 2016, 05:14:16 AM
Looks like the only positions that are alive are AFC 1 seed, AFCW champ, NFCN champ, and the last NFC wildcard between the NFCN 2nd place team and Washington?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: ShyGuy on December 26, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
Seattle needs to fire its kicker.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 26, 2016, 09:22:42 PM
Happy with the Dallas Cowboys results.  Can America's team be great again?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: rygar on December 27, 2016, 04:32:49 AM
I only see some sources saying NE clinched home field through the AFCCG. Other than that, looks like it's just win-and-in for Washington and GB-Detroit for the division (loser to the WC if Washington also loses). Not a lot of live games, but the college semis and alliance bowls will fill out the weekend.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 27, 2016, 11:36:51 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: rygar on January 07, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Richard Sherman's thoughts on the big game:

Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 07, 2017, 11:34:21 AM
A friend of mine runs a playoff pool every year, so I made my picks for that for the week. I ended up going with all home teams: Houston, Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay. I went back and forth over the Raiders-Texans game, and absolutely would have taken Oakland with a healthy Derek Carr, but I felt starting a rookie QB on the road against a very good defense was just too much to overcome.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: rygar on January 07, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
Seattle is the only favorite that would really surprise me by losing. Green Bay-New York is plausibly an NFCCG quality match up. One of my best friends loves the Giants so I watch a lot of their games, so I'm a little too close to it to make an unbiased prediction. I do really like Aaron Rodgers, so I don't care who wins other than for my friend's sake. I'd go Oakland and Steelers.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 07, 2017, 01:51:14 PM
Seattle is going to win and go to the Super Bowl against New England and win. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST KIDS.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on January 07, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
Seattle is going to win and go to the Super Bowl against New England and win. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST KIDS.

I'll select Pittsburgh, I guess.

A friend of mine runs a playoff pool every year, so I made my picks for that for the week. I ended up going with all home teams: Houston, Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay. I went back and forth over the Raiders-Texans game, and absolutely would have taken Oakland with a healthy Derek Carr, but I felt starting a rookie QB on the road against a very good defense was just too much to overcome.

Yeah, I'd agree with those choices. Only iffy one / toss-up I think is the GB/Giants game. So, I'll take Houston, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Giants.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 07, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
I think Miami is going to pull off another upset tomorrow. You're halfway there so far though!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 08, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
4 for 4, baby! Great way to start this thing.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 08, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
To be fair they were all pretty safe bets, but congrats.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 08, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
It would seem so, since apparently 27 of the 66 people in this pool got all four right. Still, though, I've still got as good a shot as any of them, while the 59 other people are pretty much fucked.
Title: Re: Soccer Discussion: Fast kickin', low scorin', and ties!
Post by: Shaymin on January 14, 2017, 06:51:47 AM
The Kansas City / Pittsburgh game got pushed back to Sunday night due to cleanup from an ice storm: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/01/13/the-kansas-city-chiefs-playoff-game-is-scheduled-in-the-midst-of-crippling-ice-storm/
Title: Re: Re: Soccer Discussion: Fast kickin', low scorin', and ties!
Post by: rygar on January 14, 2017, 08:36:48 AM
Thanks, I didn't see that yet. Works out even better for me.
Title: Re: Re: Soccer Discussion: Fast kickin', low scorin', and ties!
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 09:11:17 AM
Hey! Get your football out of our football thread!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
My picks for this week are Atlanta, New England, Green Bay, and Kansas City. Hopefully I keep this run going.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on January 14, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Nuts! I forgot to make picks to see if I could beat Insanolord and annoy him as well. I was going to pick Atlanta too just to annoy Brandogg who picked Seahawks for going to the Super Bowl. See a pattern? I only really care about the NFL to try and troll people. Which is why my picks are late. I don't really follow football. Anyways, forget Atlanta.

I'm picking New England. Yeah, I know it's half time right now and they have a bit of a lead but only a die hard of the opposition would pick against New England. Even if they were losing at the half I'd still pick them.

For tomorrow, I'm going with Steel City against the Chiefs and Cowboys over Green Bay. Whatevs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2017, 07:56:06 PM
Well, I'm out of fucks to give for the rest of the post-season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
2 for 2 so far this week, but it was by far the easier 2. If I’m 2 for 2 tomorrow I’m in excellent shape to win this thing. 27 of the 66 people in this pool were perfect through one week. If I get through tomorrow unbeaten, I will be one of only two people on top.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: ShyGuy on January 14, 2017, 10:06:17 PM
Goodbye Seahawks, buy a better offensive line. :(
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: rygar on January 15, 2017, 02:44:07 AM
This is the first time I've really gotten to see Atlanta this year. I was impressed. I don't like any of the teams left, but as a neutral I would love to see Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers trade possessions in the NFC CG. I'm not quite sure I could even watch a Dallas-NE Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on January 16, 2017, 11:53:32 AM
It's gonna be a Steelers / Green Bay Super Bowl rematch.


Or maybe something else.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2017, 10:12:55 PM
It's gonna be a Steelers / Green Bay Super Bowl rematch.

The quarterbacks can try to out "look like a criminal" each other

(http://i.imgur.com/QJnjWYZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FqOPJ2I.jpg)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on January 22, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
It's gonna be a Steelers / Green Bay Super Bowl rematch.


Or maybe something else.

Called it!  ;D
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 23, 2017, 05:08:37 AM
Since I correctly picked both games yesterday, I'm now 9 of 10 in my pool. One person is perfect and six others also have 9, so if I get the Super Bowl right I'm in pretty good position to win some money, since the top 4 finishers get paid. I'm currently leaning toward picking the Falcons, but I've got time to think it over, and I also need to predict the total points in the Super Bowl, which is the tiebreaker in this pool.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: ShyGuy on January 23, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
I'm rooting for the Falcons, that way I can argue Seattle was the second best team in the NFL this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Shaymin on January 27, 2017, 07:30:36 PM
Since we don't have a college thread, I'm just going to say "**** Baylor football with a retractable cactus" (http://deadspin.com/lawsuit-baylor-football-players-raped-52-women-in-four-1791715734) and leave it at that. (Warning: Descriptions of rape)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 03, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
I just can't decide who to pick for the Super Bowl. New England has a great defense, but hasn't faced an offense like Atlanta's, while Atlanta gets torched by the run, which will clearly be New England's gameplan, trying to keep that Falcons offense off the field. I also have to pick the total points of the game, which I figure will depend on who wins. If Atlanta wins it's because they turned it into a shootout, but the Patriots are going to try to keep it low scoring.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on February 03, 2017, 12:27:52 PM
Honestly, I expect the Patriots to win. Not to discount Atlanta but experience really can help in a championship game. I consider the Penguins / San Jose cup final from last year and the experience the Penguins had seemed to play a big role in the opening games. I think it gives the Patriots an advantage through the first quarter and maybe even up to half time. When a team has an edge like that, it's hard to bet against them. Of course, the NY Giants proved that the Patriots aren't infallible a couple times but this is a team that could win with their back-up QB and third-string QB. They're a solidly built team that is well coached.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
My pick for the Super Bowl is the Patriots, with a total points of 55. If I'm reading this right, I'm guaranteed to win money if New England wins, since 4 people win money and it would be a 4-way tie for the 2-4 slots, with me in the middle of the total points predictions.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: Khushrenada on February 05, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
Here's hoping you do, actually! I'm curious to see if this works out for you. It's been the most interesting story for me during these playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2017, 05:03:28 PM
Well goddammit. As I said above, my initial instinct was to pick the Falcons, and right about now I'm really wishing I hadn't talked myself out of it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Miracle Of Festivus
Post by: ShyGuy on February 05, 2017, 07:23:14 PM
Gaga ooh rah rah
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Shaymin on February 05, 2017, 07:31:36 PM
Well, good thing JP stuck to his guns.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 05, 2017, 07:34:00 PM
Damn, that was one hell of a game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2017, 07:48:42 PM
That was an incredible comeback, and the 62 total points means I just won $150.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
I blame #32 on the Falcons for being the defensive liability. Most of the big plays that happened, was on his man.
first 2 NE Touchdowns happened on him. Big passing plays x atleast 3 happened on him. He was the hole in the defensive stand, that let NE back in the game.
Of course that sac that brought ATL to 3 and 33.... after the holding call, is what killed whatever was left the of offensive drive in this game.

But I gotta give it to NE for never even letting up a little. That one catch that was made, that was almost an interception, but thanks to the ATL players leg, NE was able to keep it from hitting the ground. That was an amazing bobble catch.

I didn't have a dog in this fight, but I was actively rooting for ATL. Sucks they couldn't keep the momentum going in the 2nd half. I would have loved for them to take home their 1st SB ring.
And I know that they would have stuck by the discontinuing of the traditional Champions visit to Washington as well. I guess we'll see where NE stands on that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
If you're blaming anyone it's Kyle Shanahan for calling a pass play late in the 4th quarter. They never should have been in the position to take a sack there, and if they don't do that they kick a field goal, it's a two-score game, and it's over.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2017, 08:29:57 PM
If you're blaming anyone it's Kyle Shanahan for calling a pass play late in the 4th quarter. They never should have been in the position to take a sack there, and if they don't do that they kick a field goal, it's a two-score game, and it's over.

on that you're right, but #32 let NE back in the game in the first place.

Just like in the game where Carr broke his leg, I kinda blame his lineman for missing his man, but I really blame the receiver on the play before that, that didn't run his route and caused an "intentional grounding" call, that placed the Raiders back an additional 10yds and forced them into the play called that led to a broke leg that also dead-ended a playoff run season.

so I just pull the camera back a little and place blame on who led them to situation in first place... not just the play that really fucked up the gameplan.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 11, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
The Browns front office is really thinking outside the box. Putting some of our unused cap space to use by further stockpiling draft picks. We got a 2nd round pick from Houston to take Osweiler's bad contract, and now we're looking to get a 3rd rounder from somebody else who wants him after we eat some of his salary. Now all we need to do is use those draft picks effectively.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2017, 06:48:56 PM
The NFL Draft is now less than 48 hours away and I'm kind of going crazy over it. I'm desperately hoping the Browns do the smart thing and take Myles Garrett first overall, but all this Mitchell Trubisky talk is getting to me. I wouldn't be opposed to taking him at 12, or even trading up from 12 with the Jets or Titans to get him, but we need to get Garrett no matter what. I'm not sure I'll be able to truly relax until Roger Goodell announces that Garrett is the pick.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2017, 08:42:19 PM
So how did that draft go?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 29, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
I'm very happy with it. The Browns made the right choice at #1 and seemed to get good value with their later picks without reaching. DeShone Kizer late in the 2nd is a great spot for him, he's a project but he's got franchise QB potential. The team got a lot better in the last few days and they've got 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year to take that a step further.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 10, 2017, 01:48:51 PM
The refs just completely ruined the season opener for Seattle. What an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2017, 01:54:23 PM
The refs just completely ruined the season opener for Seattle. What an absolute joke.

What happened?
It's still the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 10, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
It was a promising performance today by the Browns even though they ended up losing. A fluky touchdown off a blocked punt early in the game made it look like it was going to be the same old Browns, but Cleveland was the better team the rest of the way, just not quite enough to overcome that. DeShone Kizer, despite some rookie mistakes, looked poised and in control of the offense, executing a couple nice touchdown drives. The Browns defense also had a pretty good day even though they were missing #1 overall pick Myles Garrett.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 10, 2017, 02:05:08 PM
Refs called illegal block in the back and ejected Jeremy Lane for "throwing a punch" which both announcers and Mike Pereira agreed did not happen. Should have been a pick six and personal foul against Green Bay, but instead the refs called 2 imaginary penalties against Seattle.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 10, 2017, 03:33:37 PM
Wow and now a no-call pass interference against Green Bay, again, that all the announcers, Pereira, and Dan Blandino agree with. This is pathetic.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Stratos on September 10, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
If both coaches agree a call is crap, they should be able to eject a ref.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: lolmonade on September 10, 2017, 04:30:36 PM
Well, at least the Bears defense did well today...  I cant fault Glennon too much for that last drive, he did his part.  That said, our Offense was non-existent for the first 3 quarters, and that's unacceptable.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 29, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
SEA!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 31, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
Perfect season, baby. The parade is on and the coach that's won 1 of the 32 games he's been here for is jumping in Lake Erie, though unfortunately somehow remaining the coach of the team.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 01, 2018, 09:30:13 AM
...and there's no reason to watch the post-season. Go Pats.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 01, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Raiders disappointed this year... After a promising last season that was ended ubruptly.
After everything... Ended up with the same record as the Niners... :/
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: nickmitch on January 01, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
Hey now, Raiders had some. . .exciting moments.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: ShyGuy on January 01, 2018, 07:28:19 PM
Seahawks lost, I care very little. burn down the NFL and replace it with the Canadian Football League.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Shaymin on January 01, 2018, 08:02:19 PM
The Bills are going to the playoffs for the first time since I was in high school, for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: ShyGuy on January 02, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
I didn't start watching the NFL until I was an adult, mid-2000s timeframe, so I've never seen the Bills in the playoffs.  And they're going against Jacksonville which hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years.

My Seahawks missed the playoffs for the first time with Russell Wilson.  We used to have a very reliable kicker in Steven Hauschka and for some reason the Hawks didn't resign him and signed Blair Walsh instead.  Hawks fans knew Walsh in an infamous way - he missed a gimme kick in the playoffs a few years back for the Vikings which allowed the Seahawks to win.  I guess ownership felt they might as well make him an occasionally part of the roster instead of being an inadvertent secret teammate.  I was not cool with this move.  Let's see how this played out.

In the last game of the year the Hawks needed to win their game and hope the Falcons lost in order to make the playoffs.  Why did the Falcons have a tie-breaker over us?  Because earlier in the season we lost to them after Blair Walsh missed a field goal that would have tied the game and forced overtime!  The Falcons ended up winning and it actually didn't matter because we lost that last game... due to Blair Walsh missing a field goal at the end!  AAAAARRRGH!!!!

While there were other issues like 2/3 of the Legion of Boom being injured and the o-line being swiss cheese (again!  How does o-line coach Tom Cable still have a job after like three seasons of this nonsense?) in the end we needed two more games and we lost them both because of our new kicker.  Why didn't they resign Hauschka?  Nobody offers kickers big money.  You can't get outbid on a kicker.  I just looked up his salary for this year.  The Bills are paying him LESS!  We dropped a reliable kicker so he could go to another team for LESS MONEY?!  **** ME!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 03, 2018, 09:48:09 PM
UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold declared for the draft tonight, so every major possibility in the 2018 QB class is on the table now. The two of them, as well as Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield, all figure to be possibilities for going #1 overall.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: pokepal148 on January 15, 2018, 04:43:24 PM
Apparently the Vikings are still alive somehow. If they win the Super Bowl that's great. Either way I get to enjoy watching people who actually are into sports be really pessimistic about the Vikings for another week.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2018, 04:55:28 PM
Hoping for a Case Keenum-Blake Bortles Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2018, 06:06:35 PM
That's what will happen, but instead it's going to be Tom Brady and Casron Wentz.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
Wentz is injured, so it'd be Nick Foles if the Eagles make it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about that ol' ACL. Ok, Brady - Foles.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2018, 10:08:25 AM
Booo Vikings.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2018, 04:56:12 PM
My NFL fandom is such that the Seahawks are my team but I also have an anti-fandom of the Patriots.  With the Hawks out of the playoffs my focus is entirely on anyone-but-the-Patriots.  My brother's NFL fandom is exclusively anti-Patriots.  He doesn't have a team to root for, only a team to root against.

So all this year he'll ask me about the standings and who has the best chance to knock the Patriots out of the playoffs.  Philly looked like they had a shot until Wentz went down.  In the AFC we figured the only team with a chance was Pittsburgh but they're now out.  The Rams and Saints seemed like possibilities but they're now gone too.

So it's down to Blake Bortles, Nick Foles and Case Keenum.  None of those seem like they could pull it off.  The Vikings seem like the best chance as Keenum has played well all year (the other two have typically been the shits with odd spells of brilliance).  But is this Case Keenum, the unexpected star quarterback he was this year, or Case Keenum, the unexceptional backup he has been prior to this?  How often does someone go from being a scrub nobody for years to a bonafide NFL starting quarterback of a Superbowl team?  Is he the new Kurt Warner or a just a one season fluke?

If I had to bet I'd say the Pats are winning Superbowl #6 which is rather annoying, particularly since it was mostly the stupidity of their opponents that won them #4 (give it to Lynch!) and #5 (just fucking run the clock out you dumbasses!).  The Vikings looked really good on Sunday but they also could have easily been eliminated if not for a last second miracle.  You don't want to have to rely on miracles to win.

Go Jags and Vikings, I guess.  Sorry Philly, I think Minny has the better chance so that's who I want there.  I will say that I would be perfectly fine with any of the three not-the-Pats teams left winning it all as none of them have won a Superbowl and it would be great for their fans to experience that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2018, 05:06:42 PM
I don't know how to explain Case Keenum. 
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Ian Sane on January 22, 2018, 04:57:49 PM
Case Keenum is who we thought he was!  That's a rollercoaster for Vikings fans - going from miracle victory to getting absolutely squashed, all in the span of a week.

So it's Pats and Eagles.  Nick Foles looked really good so I'm not as concerned as I was but he has an inconsistent track record and the Patriots pretty much play as perfectly as humanly possible.  If you don't have your **** together in even the slightest way they'll beat you.

Case in point Blake Bortles who played probably the best game of his life yesterday but couldn't get it done at the end because he needed to be amazing and just couldn't do it.  Like he didn't mess up or play poorly, it's just that in any close playoff game the quarterback needs to occasionally pull off some magic plays and he can't do that.  Tony Romo on commentary kept saying how he needed to come up with a big play and he never did.

Patriots are still the favourite but at least the Eagles looked like killers in the conference game so maybe they can do it?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 22, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
It has been about 9 years since the Eagles have been in the Conference Finals and I am pretty happy they made it to Big Game. I don't have much hope for the Eagles to upset the Pats but I will be rooting for them nonetheless since I have been a fan of them since 2003.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
Who cares about the Super Bowl, the real NFL news is that the Browns hired an offensive coordinator! Somebody other than Hue Jackson will be calling the plays next year! It's the next best thing to firing a massively incompetent coach.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
I just looked at the Browns schedule and saw that they lost 6 games by less than a TD.

I know that must have been frustrating in the moment, but that makes the team just a few modest tweaks from. . .not terrible.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2018, 02:27:29 PM
I just looked at the Browns schedule and saw that they lost 6 games by less than a TD.

I know that must have been frustrating in the moment, but that makes the team just a few modest tweaks from. . .not terrible.

That just means there were 6 games where the other team ALMOST lost to one of the worst teams ever, and they should feel bad.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: nickmitch on January 23, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
I think one or two of those teams got taken to OT too.  They should feel worse.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 23, 2018, 05:21:09 PM
There were two overtime losses, yes. We had a 2 touchdown lead against the Packers in the 4th quarter that we blew and lost in overtime. The team really wasn't as bad as the record makes them seem. With a better coach we might not even have gotten the #1 pick. Hue Jackson chose to pass all the time with a rookie QB and a run game that was near the top of the league in yards per carry despite its relative lack of use.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 05:28:29 PM
Looks like Eagles are up by 10 at halftime. 22 to 12. I am cautiously optimistic that they will hold on and win.

Also that trick play with Foles to close the 2nd quarter was pretty great. Also made some history with that catch. First player to throw and catch a TD in the same game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: Khushrenada on February 04, 2018, 05:52:21 PM
I don't know what to think of the Superbowl this year. I'm mean, I'm not really a big football fan in that I don't actually watch football. I just read about it the papers and catch some highlights of games thereby following and rooting for some teams that way. So, I probably shouldn't have that strong of feelings about it but this year really feels like a no-win scenario. On the one hand, I really don't want to see the Patriots and Brady win yet another Superbowl. On the other hand, as a Steelers fan, I really don't like the idea of the Eagles winning a Superbowl either.

This reminds me of the 2010 Blackhawks vs Flyers final. The past two years saw the Penguins make it to the Finals losing the first time but winning the second time thereby denying Hossa a cup which was great but then Hossa made it to another final with the Blackhawks so if he were to lose than the Flyers would have to win. In the end, Hossa and the Hawks did win and maybe it was the lesser of two evils. Guy did make it to 3 cup finals in 3 years so he probably did deserve a victory and it kept the Flyers to 2 cup championships while Penguins stayed ahead with 3. Of course, Hossa ended up winning a couple more championships but that don't matter anymore since the Penguins have had the 2-peat thus equalling the wins and getting further ahead of the Flyers in championships. Heck, I believe the Penguins can 3-peat yet and win it all again this which would be even sweeter.

So, I'm just hoping that in a few years down the road, things work out better for the Steelers and this Superbowl final will have been avenged!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
End of the 3rd quarter and the Eagles are up by 3. This is going to be a close end of the game I feel.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on February 04, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
Bye, bye, Brady
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 07:01:29 PM
Yay the Eagles got a TD on that last play to go up on the Pats 38 to 33 with 2:21 left in the game.  Just need to make some stops and we can win it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on February 04, 2018, 07:05:10 PM
wow. i thought i called it a little prematurely, but then that sack fumble o.0
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 07:08:54 PM
Oh yes!! Make the Pats burn their time outs.   Then run the ball. I feel like we could have it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: A Straight Up Trippin' Balls Forum User on February 04, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
65 seconds left. and even if they make it across they'll need a 2-pt conversion.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 07:12:37 PM
41-33 Eagles with 1:10 left.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: The Falcons Fought Like Warriors
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 07:19:17 PM
EAGLES ARE THE NFL CHAMPIONS!! 41-33
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Shaymin on February 04, 2018, 07:53:29 PM
Fun fact: The last time the Eagles won the NFL championship, my parents weren't born yet.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2018, 08:03:07 PM
Hell of a game...Eagles were handed two touchdowns that would have been reversed in any other game though. Not to say they wouldn't have scored anyway...but still.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2018, 08:08:58 PM
Fun fact: The last time the Eagles won the NFL championship, my parents weren't born yet.
Yeah they won 3 before it was changed to the Super Bowl in 1970. The 3 were 1948,1949 and 1960. This is their first Super Bowl victory. 
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2018, 09:35:32 AM
Fun fact: The last time the Eagles won the NFL championship, my parents weren't born yet.
Yeah they won 3 before it was changed to the Super Bowl in 1970. The 3 were 1948,1949 and 1960. This is their first Super Bowl victory. 

Just to make me feel old my parents were both alive in 1960 though they would have been children still.  My dad actually would have been in the womb during the 1948 championship.

Yay!  Patriots lost!  It goes to show how generally scary the Belichick/Brady Pats are in that I did not relax or assume any Philly victory until the clock was 00:00.  I can probably thank the stupid Falcons for that.  But I will give Doug Pederson a lot of credit for coaching to win instead of coaching to not lose.  He had some gutsy playcalls, including two key fourth down conversions (including a pass to the quarterback!  Wow!)  He clearly understood that, dammit, it's the Superbowl and it's against the established super power in the league.  You gotta lay in on the line and go for the knockout punch as this could be your only chance.  It often seems that the Patriots' strength is that they capitalize on the stupidity of the other team and rarely make really dumb mistakes themselves.  Pederson wasn't stupid and that's probably why they were JUST able to win it.

And I have to give a lot of credit to Nick Foles who played out of his mind in the playoffs.  His team needed him to save the season and he delivered.  That's clutch!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
Hell of a game...Eagles were handed two touchdowns that would have been reversed in any other game though. Not to say they wouldn't have scored anyway...but still.

I disagree, the second catch was definitely a catch.  The receiver became a runner and broke the plane.

I think Chris Collinsworth dramatically overplayed the complexity of the rule.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Collinsworth is a former receiver so he's probably exceptionally befuddled by the current catch rules since it was much simpler when he played.  He comes across as quite cynical about it so he probably sees any slightly iffy catch and just assumes they'll overturn it.  Hell, I pretty much think like that.

I'm imagining the uproar and rioting that would occur in Philly if the franchise whose glory years started on the infamous Tuck Rule won the game on those catches being called back.  I don't even give a **** if the rule as is should have taken those back.  Those are real catches in anyone's minds but the lunatics in the NFL office.

For determining if the player was in bounds or not I say if the catch is started once his hands touch the ball and as long as he gets both feet in bounds and doesn't drop the ball as he lands it's a catch.  The hell with observing little bits of movement as "not having control".  Ball movement should only be looked at to determine if he dropped the ball as he landed.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on February 06, 2018, 06:42:38 AM
I don't even give a **** if the rule as is should have taken those back.  Those are real catches in anyone's minds but the lunatics in the NFL office.

I think those were catches as defined by the rules.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
So this is it, the day I've been looking forward to and obsessing over for months. Tonight at 8 Eastern the first round of the NFL Draft officially opens. The Browns have picks #1 and #4, though trading out of 4 seems fairly likely if someone like the Bills gets desperate for a QB and offers both of their 1sts this year as well as 2019's.

All the talk today seems to point to the Browns taking Oklahoma quarterback and reigning Heisman Trophy winner Baker Mayfield 1st overall, but last week it was all pointing to Wyoming's Josh Allen and before that USC's Sam Darnold, and at this point I wouldn't be shocked if any of the three of them is the pick. I really don't want Allen, but I'd be happy with either of the other two.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2018, 06:38:05 PM
Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward is definitely not the combo I was expecting, but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
The Seahawks need an OL like crazy after years of Russell Wilson running for his life on every play.  So naturally they took... a running back.

ESPN says "Penny is the fifth-ranked running back on our board, so this is a reach."

Yeah, that's what I want to hear: "this is a reach".  No one ever thinks you're clever for using a first round pick on someone no one was going to take in the first round.  That's what the other rounds are for!  Oh I see that Seattle doesn't have another pick until the fourth round.  Okay, so I guess your precious running back won't be there by then but neither will a decent offensive lineman!  Maybe you could have tried to trade that first one round pick for a second and third?  Hell, what good is a running back if your o-line is ****?  Watching a guy run into a wall of defenders at the line of scrimmage isn't a lot of fun, you know?  And again this is a "reach" so he's not even the best running back they could have picked if they were insisting on a running back.

It's a weird situation where this is the same GM and coach that built a Superbowl winning team so they must know what they're doing, right?  Yet with the repeated o-line problems of the last several seasons and their idiotic attempts to address it (including converting a basketball player to an OL; like why not just grab some bouncers from local bars if you're going to train someone from scratch to play at the top level?) you question it.  Can you win a Superbowl and still be an idiot?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 06:26:04 PM
So I guess the Philadelphia Eagles were set to go to the White House Tuesday (tomorrow?) to do the presidential visit.

Apparently most of the team didn't plan on attending, partially over the Anthem Dispute, so someone decided to "un-invite" the team, and just have a "Celebrate America" party blasting the Anthem with a the Military band.

This should be interesting. Or a big nothing. I'm sure the players are quite relieved.

The Stand for the Anthem or stay off the field BS is so stupid.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 06:52:57 PM
The Stand for the Anthem or stay off the field BS is so stupid.
Yes, it is. I don’t really watch football for both a lack of interest as well as personal objections. I kind of feel like the NFL is a **** league run by incompetent people with completely inconsistent and sometimes morally bankrupt messaging. Beyond the awful handling of concussions and new (probably illegal) national anthem rules, the league doesn’t handle domestic abuse particularly well. Teams are still signing players who can’t stop punching women in the face.

I don’t want to get too far into this because I don’t want to get this thread locked.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on June 04, 2018, 08:38:32 PM
There's so many layers to that discussion, but all of them are political. :(
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 04, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
I will say this - I sincerely doubt that anyone who is on the wrong side of this issue is standing at home.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
$100 says laying on the couch with a bowl of chex mix on their tummy and a beer in their free hand.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on June 18, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
For Greg Leahy and all the Bills fans

Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 19, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
I'm doing a fantasy football league with some friends and need a couple more people to fill it out. It's just for fun, no money involved. If you're interested in joining, PM me.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: pokepal148 on September 19, 2018, 09:11:36 PM
poor greg (https://www.thenation.com/article/true-grit-vontae-davis-retires-at-halftime/)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 20, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Baker Mayfield is the savior Cleveland needed! He sees his first NFL action coming in due to Tyrod Taylor's concussion late in the 2nd quarter with the Browns trailing 14-0 to lead them to a 21-7 comeback!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: pokepal148 on September 20, 2018, 11:01:05 PM
Does this mean the parade is canceled?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 20, 2018, 11:43:11 PM
Nope, there's just going to be a different one in early February.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: pokepal148 on September 25, 2018, 01:14:48 AM
I'm not much of a football person myself but I do enjoy laughing at some of the stupid things that happen in the NFL. Unfortunately a fair portion of that happens to involve my state's team, the Vikings. (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2797465-report-vikings-everson-griffen-allegedly-threatened-to-shoot-someone-at-hotel)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 07, 2018, 01:52:49 PM
The Cleveland Browns have won on a Sunday for the first time since December of 2015. Baker Mayfield is 2-0 at home.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2018, 09:32:18 AM
The Brows are really going to do it aren't they!

"We started from the bottom, now we here!!"
that will be the Super Bowl Championship "we made it to the playoffs" parade song for them
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 28, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
Everyone was counting the Seahawks out this year, but they have completely turned around since the first two games. Going back to the Super Bowl this year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
Our long nightmare is finally over. Hue Jackson has finally been fired as head coach of the Cleveland Browns after winning only 3 of the 40 games he was in charge for.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
I dunno if that was the best move. He didn’t exactly inherit a good team, and it looked like things were finally starting to turn around. Now, they’ll have to bring in two new guys (OC was fired too), and still nurture their rookie QB. Not exactly ideal.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2018, 11:51:38 AM
Things looked like they were turning around a month ago, but they've regressed since then. They needed to do something, and this should have been done a long time ago.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: pokepal148 on October 29, 2018, 03:18:59 PM
I'm going to laugh if the browns lose every game for the rest of the season and get another perfect season next year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2018, 06:17:44 PM
Things looked like they were turning around a month ago, but they've regressed since then. They needed to do something, and this should have been done a long time ago.

It was a rough few weeks, sure. But is the season gonna get any better now?  You already have your best record through the first 8 weeks in years!  Would've made more sense to wait it out.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: pokepal148 on October 29, 2018, 11:31:43 PM
The Browns are actually winning games occasionally so something is clearly going very wrong here. Best just burn it all down and start from scratch.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 19, 2018, 08:25:04 PM
Dude this game right now is incredible! This is definitely a Super Bowl preview.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 19, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
It definitely could be, but you can't count out New Orleans, who have already beaten this Rams team. Amazing game, regardless.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on November 19, 2018, 08:31:28 PM
Condoleezza Rice/Cleveland Browns 2020
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 19, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
Condoleezza Rice/Cleveland Browns 2020

There's no way that was ever serious. Probably just John Dorsey trying to pinpoint the source of the various leaks out of the Browns organization. One of the guys who should actually be on the shortlist for the job is coaching in this game, though, in Rams QB coach Zac Taylor. Really hoping for a young, innovative offensive mind to get the most out of Baker Mayfield.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 19, 2018, 09:05:16 PM
God damn that was crazy. Mahomes essentially lost that one in the end but I don't think he had any other options than that throw. No shame in losing 51-54 when you throw 6 touchdowns and almost 500 yards.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on November 19, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
People like to bitch about all the rules that hinder defense, but they sure seemed to love this game.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on November 30, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Last night was Stephen A Smith's fault, and he will not be forgiven.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on December 24, 2018, 03:32:27 PM
Hawks and Chiefs had a heck of a game last night, heck of a game! Seahawks have secured there place in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 24, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
Hell yeah! Everyone said we would go like 2-14 this year...if this is wahat "rebuilding" looks like, then the finished product will be unstoppable. Wilson-Lockett and Wilson-Baldwin are lethal, and Chris Carson may very well be the new Beast Mode.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2018, 05:58:30 PM
The Browns have won three in a row, and are 5-2 since Hue Jackson was fired. If we won one of those games we lost in a fluky way early in the season this week's game against Baltimore would be for the division title. Baker Mayfield is the real deal, and a lot of other recent picks are playing at a high level as well. With another strong offseason this team could be a legitimate contender as soon as next season.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2018, 10:23:10 PM
The Browns have won three in a row, and are 5-2 since Hue Jackson was fired. If we won one of those games we lost in a fluky way early in the season this week's game against Baltimore would be for the division title. Baker Mayfield is the real deal, and a lot of other recent picks are playing at a high level as well. With another strong offseason this team could be a legitimate contender as soon as next season.

What took them so long to realize that the major cause of incompetence was in the coaching?
Did Hue Jackson win something like 3 games in the last 3 seasons?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
He went 3-36-1 in his two and a half years in charge. The problem was the previous couple coaches were fired really quickly, and so the owner wanted to prove he could be patient, which unfortunately led to him sticking by Hue way longer than anybody reasonably should have.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on December 30, 2018, 05:08:53 PM
Seahawks win again! Who will they play in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 30, 2018, 07:10:14 PM
Dallas. Should be an easy win.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on December 31, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
I was not expecting the Seahawks the make the playoffs at the start of the year and now I'm getting excited of possibility of them going on a run.  They're playing like they did during the Superbowl years again: strong defense and a run focused offense with Russell Wilson pulling miracles out of his ass when needed.

What really impressed me was the improvement of the offensive line.  The o-line sucked for years, which pretty means your whole offense sucks.  Fans called for o-line coach Tom Cable to be fired and he finally was in the offseason and, gee what a surprise, the o-line immediately became credible again despite featuring the same players as last year.  All these years of drafting offensive linemen "busts" and they finally realized that maybe if the same idiot is coaching all of these busts that that might be the source of the problem.  Cable is now the o-line coach for the Oakland Raiders.  Boy does that fit.

There's a lot of new rosters in the playoffs this year or teams like the Saints and Chargers that finally rebuilt around their veteran quarterback.  Obviously I'm cheering for the Hawks but if that doesn't work out the key thing is NOT THE PATRIOTS.  If the Eagles win it back to back I'd get sick of them pretty quickly but the idea of the Legend of Nick Foles growing would be kind of funny.  Carson Wentz would be a laughing stock if Foles won the Superbowl AGAIN.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 31, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
I have a feeling NE is going to take it again, and Brady will retire. He's complete **** now, like Peyton was in his last season...but it's still pretty cool to go out on a high note.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on December 31, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
I hope the Patriots and the Seahawks go to the Superbowl and the Seahawks win to right the wrong from before.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 31, 2018, 08:53:03 PM
That would be ideal. At least Malcom Butler is gone...I think they'd give the ball to Carson this time.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
If I wasn't a Seahawks fan I would find this scenario hilarious: the Seahawks decide to run it this time and... Carson fumbles.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
Who would have thought we'd be getting screwed by bad calls (and playing shitty tbh) in Dallas?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2019, 08:18:20 PM
The playing was bad, but the calls were also bad.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2019, 08:28:23 PM
Roger Gooddell is at the game, visited a fan's house earlier - his dream is obviously New England vs Dallas. Pretty predictable. To be fair they missed a couple calls against both teams, but those late PI calls were nothing short of highway robbery. I hope Dallas gets destroyed next week.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: ShyGuy on January 05, 2019, 10:23:37 PM
Welp, I'm back to hating the NFL.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on January 06, 2019, 12:26:34 AM
Didn't like those penalty calls late in the game but I'd also like to point this out:

Ezekiel Elliott 137 yards
Chris Carson 20 yards

20 yards?  What the hell happened to the run game?

I really lost my patience once KJ Wright got an end zone interception to keep the Hawks in the game and the offense responded with penalties and a 3-and-out.  The play calling didn't even make sense.  It was like 2nd-and-22 or something like that and they called a checkdown pass that got like two yards and then ran on 3rd-and-20.  Well that's better for the punt.  PUNT?!!  It's the fourth quarter in a playoff game and you're behind!  You don't give up possession to get a favourable punt!  I was screaming at my TV when I saw that nonsense!  I don't care if it's 3rd-and-50, go for a long pass and at least try to keep the drive going.  You can punt on fourth down.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 06, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
Yeah that was retarded. Wilson had like 5 25+ yard passes...just keep doing that, wtf.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: lolmonade on January 07, 2019, 06:22:22 AM
Parkey is getting roasted for what ended up being a tipped field goal kick while he produced half the team's total points and the Bears offense was completely anemic for half the game.  Nagy decides to call screens and forget completely about their best RB for the majority of the game, runs offense overly conservative until he decides to get cute with a 2 point conversion for the one touchdown they actually land.

The "this is all the kicker's fault" is a little tired.  Bears season was better than most I know expected, but we weren't Superbowl bound with the weak points we still have lingering.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Adrock on January 07, 2019, 06:37:22 AM
I’m not a football fan in the least. I was just hanging out with a friend for the Eagles/Bears game. The last few minutes were so heartwrenching even I was getting into it.

When the Eagles won last year, my employer gave us three free lunches and 4 hours of PTO so naturally, I’m all, “Go Eagles!”
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
LA Rams headed to the Superbowl

that's part 1 of a 2 part plan. (California Love!!!)

Now I just need the KC Chiefs to knock Brady and the Pats the F out.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2019, 07:08:22 PM
NFC Championship game goes into OT
AFC Championship game goes into OT

first time that has happened in NFL History.

I was watching the scores on ESPN.com for both games till very near the end.
Once I tune into the actual game both the Rams and the Chiefs make a game tying drive to force OT.

Rams secure the win.... Will the Chiefs do it too?

edit: .....:/
not looking too good.

welp, 1 out of 2. not bad.
Rams need to handle business in 2 weeks.
I believe the last time the Rams were in the Superbowl, it was against Patriots.
Don't know if Brady was QB then... but Patriots won. so REVENGE GAME!!!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: Ian Sane on January 20, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
I hate the Patriots so much.  I am so damn sick of seeing those jackasses in the Superbowl.  And the Red Sox won the World Series, too!  Aren't we all sick of Boston sports fans winning?!

And it's pretty much all Dee Ford's fault.  The Chiefs had a game clinching interception at the end of the game and it was called back because Ford lined up offside.  He didn't jump the snap he LINED UP offside like some Pop Warner kid that can't follow simple instructions!  I just knew it was over the second that happened!

The only upside is that the Superbowl is always more fun if I have a rooting interest in the game and cheering against the Pats fits the bill.  GO RAMS!
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: OK, Now You Can Count Out Touchdown Tom
Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
My Saints were robbed by that no call towards the end of regulation, but the play calling at the end of the game was subpar.  I dunno what was going on, but the team never recovered after the call.  The fluke interception was also terrible. :(
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Shaymin on February 03, 2019, 08:23:01 PM
(http://www.barbershopwindow.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/h/who_booked_this_crap_2.png)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2019, 08:47:53 PM
For reals. "That **** was WHACK"

Good for Brady. He earned his Championship Glove to put his 6 rings in.
You've done it Brady. Congrats.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
Wow, that was some boring ass ****.  Somehow I have a feeling that the New Orleans offense would actually have shown up to play in the biggest game of their lives.  If I read a headline tomorrow that Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh beat up Jared Goff in the locker room after the game I'd believe it.

I didn't like the halftime show either but I don't like the type of music that was played so I feel like I can't judge it properly.  I think I would notice if Maroon 5 played really poorly like hitting bum notes or if the singer fell off the stage or something but I can't say if they performed their songs well in the eyes of their target audience or not.  I was bored out of my mind but I would have been if you played me the studio recordings of those songs.

What bugs me the most is that everyone went nuts for the crazy offense in the Rams/Chiefs games earlier in the season and not only did we not get that at all in the Superbowl but I missed that game because it fell on the same night as my friend's birthday.  My hope was to see the rematch in the Superbowl but the Chiefs blew it and then the Rams showed none of that firepower tonight.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
It was bad game. I hear that even most of the commercials were pretty bad too.

edit: LMAO
(https://i.imgur.com/HrB5ZMo.png)

there were 2 T-Mobile ads that I think were pretty good (T-Mobile Tuesday texting ads)
but I apparently missed the majority of them, so why don't we not bother talking about this terrible Superbowl and instead post some of the better, funny and/or unexpected ads that played during the "game".

Bud Knight x GoT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=8fhOItB0zUM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=8fhOItB0zUM[/youtube]

edit2: How about Dietz Nuts (pronounced Deets Nuts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=_jG_MPbyPIo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=_jG_MPbyPIo[/youtube]
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: lolmonade on February 04, 2019, 05:54:31 AM
Really was an awful, awful game.  Rams D did what they needed to in stifling the Patriots to only one touchdown, but in general this was one of the worse performances I've seen a Patriots offense deliver.  Goff was miserable - the oline for the most part gave him a lot of time to throw when needed, and Gurley was almost nowhere to be found in the run. 

I really didn't find much of the ads to be good, a few of the tmobile ones were fine, pretty much all of the other ads were "hey, look at this star we got in our ad", and while I understand that's always somewhat the case in Super bowl ads, they usually at least make an attempt to be funny.

Anyone else see how part of the internet melted down over the halftime show?  I guess there was a petition to have the bands perform a song from Spongebob Squarepants, and they put a small clip from the show in and that's it.  Makes you wonder who thought that would do anything other than anger the internet hive and confuse anyone not aware of it.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on February 04, 2019, 06:39:18 AM
I didn't like the halftime show either but I don't like the type of music that was played so I feel like I can't judge it properly.  I think I would notice if Maroon 5 played really poorly like hitting bum notes or if the singer fell off the stage or something but I can't say if they performed their songs well in the eyes of their target audience or not.  I was bored out of my mind but I would have been if you played me the studio recordings of those songs.

I like Maroon 5, especially the album from which most of their songs came from, and the performance was lack luster.  I've even seen them live before, and it wasn't their best.  Don't know what it was.

The Edleman MVP baffled me when they only scored 13 points.  Would've liked to see someone on that defense that held the opponent to 3 pts and almost(?) no first half first downs.

My Saints would've done better than 3 points.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2019, 09:16:47 AM
For the ads I remember the one with the Dude in it (with a cameo by the Most Interesting Man in the World!  That was the more impressive part to me!) and there was an elevator one with Jason Bateman that was pretty funny.  There's a real trend towards commercials being super serious about togetherness or social justice or whatever feel-goody nonsense the company wants to take credit for while trying to sell you bullshit you don't need and those are a chore to sit through and there was at least one in every ad break this year.  I'm also not at all hip so if an under-25 celebrity shows up in an ad and I'm supposed to know who they are I... don't know who they are.  In fact I'll be unsure if the person in the ad is a celebrity or just an actor for the ad.

I was actually surprised how many ads were run for CBS's own shows.  I associate networks filling commercial time with their own ads to be a sign that they're having problems selling the ad space (Canadian stations tends to have way more of this than American ones) but this is the Superbowl.  Surely CBS could sell the spot and does it make sense to shill Young Sheldon in a space where they could make millions by running someone else's ad?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
The Jason Bateman elevator commercial was pretty funny. I need to find that one.

As far as CBS filling all the empty commercial slots, then some people wised up. What was even the ratings of the Superbowl this year? I figure it must've tapered off somewhere in the middle for a low right before the end.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on February 04, 2019, 05:40:31 PM
Lowest ratings in a decade. (https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-liii-draws-lowest-overnight-ratings-decade-155404457.html)
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2019, 07:26:40 PM
Looks like people wanna watch the Hawks in the Super Bowl, but not the Patriots. The Patriots have been in literally half of the Super Bowls from the past 18 years, they've won 33.33333% of the Super Bowls from the past 18 years. Of course ratings will be down, they have a 66.66667% chance of winning when they're in it. They have 1:3 odds of winning the Super Bowl *before the season even starts* - now this doesn't mean jack **** in the end, there's nothing you can do (conspiracy theories aside), it's gonna be team A vs team B in the end.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: lolmonade on February 05, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
You also had the Rams, who screwed over the city it had resided in for the last two decades with its exit.  If i've learned anything, the fandom of most football organizations is something that's often inherited and passed down in the household. 

So you had one team whose been so dominant in the league that these wins must be feeling rote at this point, and one team whose Midwest fandom has moved their fandom likely to the Packers and whose new home they haven't gotten any real roots in yet (yes, I know the rams were originally in St. Louis, but it's been a while).

Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2019, 09:30:45 AM
Low ratings make sense.  The Patriots are at the point like the New York Yankees where you're either a Patriots fan or you HATE the Patriots.  If your favourite team has been good at any point in the 21st century odds are you have had to cross paths with the Pats.  I read something yesterday that aside from the Seahawks the last 8 Superbowl winners were either the Patriots or a team that had to beat the Patriots in the playoffs along the way.  And of course the Hawks lost to the Patriots the next year so Seattle fans like me have a personal stake in Patriots hatred as well.

Meanwhile the Rams were only in the Superbowl because of a blatant ref screw-up.  So for the vast majority of NFL fans this was the league's established supervillain against a team that did not deserve to be there and for which it would be a black mark on the league for them to have been champions.  And as lolmonade points out the Los Angeles Rams have virtually no established fanbase aside from maybe old-timers that were fans the first time they were located in LA and for some reason didn't find a new team to cheer for in the 20+ years in between.

Probably 90% of NFL fans didn't want either team to win.  So if there has been a skippable Superbowl of the past ten years, this was it.  I couldn't cheer for the Pats but I will say that at least the status quo of the league wasn't disrupted by the blown call against New Orleans.  This isn't a fanbase whose Superbowl win was always going to be tainted by "you only won because the refs screwed the Saints" because the Pats have enough in recent years that this just blobs in with the rest of them.  If the Chiefs had been in the Superbowl and won there still could have been accusations that since they didn't face the Saints they didn't truly deserve it or something like that.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 05, 2019, 07:26:24 PM
Apparently that was just actual TV numbers. Streaming numbers were at an all time high.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2019, 08:21:47 PM
That makes sense.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: lolmonade on February 06, 2019, 07:22:07 AM
Apparently that was just actual TV numbers. Streaming numbers were at an all time high.

Not having a cable service, that's how I watched.  it helps that you could get a 7 day trial for CBS all access and watch it via that. 
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 12, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
The Browns traded for Odell Beckham, Jr., and between that and all the players the Ravens and Steelers are losing they have to be considered favorites to win the AFC North this year. John Dorsey's done an amazing job of turning a team that was 0-16 when he took over into a real contender in a little over a year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on April 22, 2019, 09:05:03 AM
So I got together with the family on Easter and my Mom showed me a photo of her cousin's daughter's wedding.  The groom was this big muscular guy and I immediately thought "he looks like a football player".  Before I say anything she tells me he plays in the NFL.  We have this conversation:

Me: What?  Really?  What's his name?  What team does he play for?
Mom: I don't remember but they met in college.
Me: What college?
Mom: I don't remember.
Me: Well, what's the bride's name?  Maybe I can Google her and find some info about the wedding.
Mom: I don't know.

Eventually Mom went through her Christmas cards from last year and found a letter from her cousin announcing his daughter's then new engagement.  She is married to DeForest Buckner of the 49ers.  The college they met at is Oregon.  I didn't recognize the name but he was in the Pro Bowl last year and had 12 sacks!  Not too shaddy.  And sure enough when I did a Google image search I get an image of him plowing through the swiss cheese Seahawk O-line and sacking Russell Wilson.  Uh, yay, I guess?

So I've got a loose family connection to an NFL player.  He's my second cousin-in-law, I think.  This replaces my previous closest connection to a pro athlete where I went on a few dates with baseball player Russell Martin's cousin.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
And sure enough when I did a Google image search I get an image of him plowing through the swiss cheese Seahawk O-line and sacking Russell Wilson.  Uh, yay, I guess?

Don't get me started on the Seahawks offensive line. Russell Wilson should have left instead of taking Seattle's offer.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on April 23, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
I'm still angry the Rams only put up 3 points.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
Dave Gettleman is either insane or trying to get fired.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 20, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
AB dropped from 2 teams in less than 3 weeks into the season..... NFL career over?

this is amid multiple sexual abuse allegations.

Since he played for the Pats, how much do they still need to pay him?
and how does this affect your Fantasy League? LOL
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 22, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Apparently AB quit the NFL....  or they quit on him.

Either way, it looks like he had a melt-down on Twitter (most of the related tweets I saw have already been deleted).

So Is AB gonna star in the XFL? or will he be playing in Prison League?
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on September 22, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
I guess that depends on how his case goes.  That guy sure had one hell of a summer.

And I get the point he was trying to make, but most of the people he named piped down for a bit after their accusations.  They didn't go creating more public spectacle.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
Around 3 minutes left.  Down by 4.  Defense can't get a stop to save their lives.  I say to my brother "this has got to be fourth down territory".  What happens?  Pete Carroll calls a punt and I say "well they just punted away the season" and sure enough the defense shits the bed like they have all game and the offense never touches the ball again.  Why on Earth do coaches do that?  How is willfully giving the ball to the other team when you need to score and you're running out of time the "safe" idea?  You figure a smart coach would notice that his defense has been having a hell of a time stopping an offense led by Aaron Rodgers and that the likelihood of them suddenly coming up big was pretty low.

Could be worse I suppose.  I could be a Vikings fan and watch my team punt away the ball multiple times in the fourth quarter to end the season.  At least the Seahawks season ended after the two minute warning and not with like five minutes still on the clock.

As much as I hate it I guess I'm pulling for the Niners, even though they're a division rival.  Why?  Because I determined that DeForest Buckner is my... second-cousin-once-removed-in-law.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2020, 09:18:40 PM
Screw the exciting football games that were played today, everybody knows the real NFL news of the day: it's Kevin Stefanski time, baby! Cleveland for sure got it right this time, don't even bother playing the games and just give us the trophy now.

Seriously though, I'm fairly happy with this pick. He seems like a good fit with our front office structure, and he did a good job of building an offense around Kirk Cousins' strengths in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2020, 10:03:32 AM
Well my second-cousin-once-removed-in-law lost the Super Bowl.  My Mom seemed legitimately upset about that but being a long time fan of football in general I was happy to see Andy Reid win a ring.  Reid is probably the second best coach of his era, behind Belichick of course, but has some notable playoff collapses and thus doesn't really get his due.  The sports world in general puts a little too much focus in team championship rings when evaluating individual success.  Now the narrative has changed for Andy Reid, likely to a more accurate one.

Meanwhile we can probably transfer the "good coach who turns into a moron when it matters most" title to Kyle Shanahan.  I couldn't coach a football team at any level but I'm familiar enough with football strategy to know that when you're ahead in the fourth quarter you RUN THE BALL, YOU STUPID RAT-FACED ASSHOLE!!!  Damn it, he cost the Atlanta Falcons a Super Bowl with that idiocy and now he's done it to the Niners as well!  I don't know how you can be a good enough coach to lead your team to the Super Bowl but be ignorant of such basic strategy, and to do it TWICE when every single reporter asked your ass about how passing when you're supposed to kill clock lost you a Super Bowl already.  You would assume he would be thinking "gee, I better not make that mistake again."  Is this a stubbornness thing?  Like he felt he needed to "prove" that passing in the fourth quarter can work so as to deflect blame for the Falcons loss?  "I didn't cost them a Super Bowl!  See I'll win a Super Bowl using the same strategy... D'oh!"
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: F**k Everything, Nation Declares
Post by: nickmitch on February 03, 2020, 11:33:30 AM
I'm also glad to see Andy Reid win one.  He blew it in Philly quite a few times (once in the big game), and KC was a much needed fresh start for him.  Also, the Honey Badger is officially a Super Bowl champion, so that's great too.

And Patrick Mahommes has successfully defeated the Madden Curse, so kudos to him.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: Shaymin on February 03, 2020, 01:18:56 PM
So I suppose there's only one thing to change the thread title to.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2020, 02:58:48 PM
Tonight is the first round of the NFL Draft. It's always a big deal, but figures to be especially big this year since it's the first live sporting event in over a month. All the team officials are working at home and communicating electronically, so there could be some really weird tech issues if things go wrong.

The sad news this afternoon is that Todd McShay, who works for ESPN and is one of the most prominent NFL Draft analysts out there, has come down with the coronavirus and won't be part of the coverage tonight for what's normally the biggest day of his year.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: nickmitch on April 23, 2020, 03:51:52 PM
So I suppose there's only one thing to change the thread title to.

Considering all the news out of Tampa Bay, the title still fits.

Tonight is the first round of the NFL Draft. It's always a big deal, but figures to be especially big this year since it's the first live sporting event in over a month. All the team officials are working at home and communicating electronically, so there could be some really weird tech issues if things go wrong.

The sad news this afternoon is that Todd McShay, who works for ESPN and is one of the most prominent NFL Draft analysts out there, has come down with the coronavirus and won't be part of the coverage tonight for what's normally the biggest day of his year.

Hope he recovers well.

The draft should be interesting.  There hasn't been as much trading/free agency moves so far, possibly due to the limited abilities of teams to do visits.  But I'm hoping for some last minute action.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: Ian Sane on April 23, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Okay, let's see how the Seahawks did in round 1.  They picked Jordyn Brooks, a linebacker.  ESPN ranked him as 6 on their position rank.  He's the third LB taken.  Hmmmm.  He's ranked 92 overall which means he would be an expected late third rounder.  Oh and then in literally the next pick the number one ranked linebacker got picked.

Why on earth would you pick a guy predicted to be a third rounder in the first round?!  Unless ESPN's ranking is completely off the mark and numerous other teams also consider it off the mark there is no competition for someone like this in the first round, so wait for the second round!  Even if you've got some special intel that this guy is way better than everyone expects supposedly no one else expects that.  So take the projected third rounder in the second round and that's still a whole round early so you're almost guaranteed to get him.  It just doesn't make sense.  You don't trade up to get guys that no one else is going to draft that early and you don't draft guys multiple rounds earlier than expected.  That's bidding with yourself.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: Ian Sane on April 24, 2020, 11:43:00 AM
Looking further into it the logic that the Seattle GM explains is that first rounders aren't really first rounders for all 32 picks.  1-20 are first round level talent but 21-60 could all be considered second round level.  So if you're a playoff team picking late in the first round you essentially don't really have a first round pick and should take who you think is best of the second round level players.  The difference in the number 20 guy and the number 60 guy is minimal and the projected ranking is considerably less of an accurate predictor after the top 15 or so.

That explanation is pretty well thought out and explained and far better then dumb "we like his speed" caveman analysis you sometimes hear.  I'm not completely sold on it though since none of their first picks of the last four drafts have impressed me.  The strategy sounds logical but the results aren't panning out.
Title: Re: Official NFL Discussion: Great Googly Moogly
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2020, 12:29:37 PM
If you think a guy is a lot better than the consensus on him seems to be you have to consider that at least 1 of the other 31 GMs might think so too. Waiting to draft a guy like that can be risky.