Post by: ruby_onix on July 28, 2004, 01:46:05 PM
Apparently, FF1&2 for the GBA in Japan has a postcard in it from SquareEnix, asking them what game they'd like to see Square make on the Nintendo DS.
Final Fantasy III (that's the Japanese-numbered FF3, the one from the NES, never seen in America).
Final Fantasy IV, V, and VI (all three SNES games).
Seiken Densetsu (the prequel to Secret of Mana, released in America on the GameBoy as FF Adventure, and remade on the GBA as Sword of Mana, but may be referring to the "series", which included two SNES titles).
The SaGa series.
Front Mission.
Chrono Trigger.
Hanjuku Hero (I must admit that I don't know this title).
Or the "Chocobo" series (which I believe would mean "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon", a random-dungeon generating game series on the PSX, IIRC).
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 28, 2004, 01:52:14 PM
Post by: rpglover on July 28, 2004, 02:19:53 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 28, 2004, 02:51:25 PM
Anyhoo I would really like it if Final Fantasy III would finally be released in North America. I don't even really care about the game itself. It just bugs my purist nature that one can't buy the complete FF series in English if they want to.
What I find really odd about this is that the DS made them consider porting these titles even though the GBA was perfectly suitable for NES and SNES ports. Why didn't they just do this with the GBA like every other company does when they feel like porting SNES games for a quick buck?
Post by: LousySpy on July 28, 2004, 03:10:48 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on July 28, 2004, 03:19:32 PM
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Wow the SaGa series. Isn't that the Square series that blows ass?
AFAIK, it was "Unlimited SaGa" on the PlayStation that blew ass (as did "Legend of Mana", also on the PlayStation). The rest of the SaGa series has just been Square's mostly-competent "B-grade" series.
"Final Fantasy Legend" 1 to 3 on the GameBoy were the first three SaGa games, and they weren't that bad.
AFAIK, Square had expressed plans to remake those three games on the Wonderswan, along with Seiken Densetsu, but then those plans fell away (and a great remake of Seiken Densetsu appeared on the GBA). So I think this train of thought is a diverted continuation of their Wonderswan plans.
IMO, Seiken Densetsu 2 (AKA: Secret of Mana, AKA: The Best Multiplayer RPG EVAH) begs to be remade on the DS. I'd take a remake of SD2 over a new "FF:CC for the DS", any day of the week. And then while Square's at it, we'd need a port/remake of Seiken Densetsu 3 (AKA: the never released in America "Secret of Mana 2").
Post by: CHEN on July 28, 2004, 03:29:28 PM
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 28, 2004, 07:42:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I saw this...Very, very interesting to say the least...The fact that they are even considering bringing over a Chrono game makes me tingle...
Personally, I've already tinkled.
Chrono Trigger has that effect on me.
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 28, 2004, 07:46:34 PM
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Wow the SaGa series. Isn't that the Square series that blows ass?
No, no its not.
It was actually quite legendary as a series, reaching its peak in the Super Famicom Golden Age. What followed were a couple decent games for PSOne, and the horrid horrid Unlimited SAGA.
But does the series blow ass?
Nuh-uh.
Edit: completely beaten to the point, and p0wned by the Ruby_Onix
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 28, 2004, 07:52:41 PM
Im thinking that when Square-Enix is saying "do you want us to bring over these games to the DS?" they really mean "which games would you like to see revived and DS-ified?"
Secret of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 2) should of course receive LAN-enabled multiplayer treatment, for instance. I dont know if Square would up the graphics and sound ante as well (since I recall loving the graphics and music of most of those titles anyway), but touch screen streamlined interfaces also seem logical.
Anyways, I hope the japanese gamers have represented. Makes me want to import the game just to vote myself....
Post by: KDR_11k on July 28, 2004, 09:09:37 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 28, 2004, 09:22:43 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 29, 2004, 06:01:46 AM
Post by: HAY GUYS MY UNCLE KNOWS MIYAMOTO OH NO I'M BANNED on July 29, 2004, 06:50:29 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 29, 2004, 08:13:02 AM
I wonder how quickly they could port one of these games to the DS? I think if they were smart they could easily design a game with all menus on the touch screen and action on the top. Even with an action RPG such as Secret of Mana you could speed up the game by having the magic spells easy to just touch screen activate.
Hmmm...
Is it too much to hope we get one by Christmas? Or sooner?
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 29, 2004, 03:58:16 PM
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Saga and Seiken Densetsu, in that order. Okay, I only played one game of each (3rd of both), but they were really good. Hell, in Saga you could choose to play as the local monarch and send entire armies to war!
Yea, SAGA games were really cool like that. Lots of storyline possiblities was a hallmark of the series. And wandering into areas that you clearly were just not ready for = wooHooooo*Slash*OUCH
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 29, 2004, 04:03:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I would love the Secret of Mana 2 for the Super Nintendo that was never released in the United States.
I wonder how quickly they could port one of these games to the DS? I think if they were smart they could easily design a game with all menus on the touch screen and action on the top. Even with an action RPG such as Secret of Mana you could speed up the game by having the magic spells easy to just touch screen activate.
Hmmm...
Is it too much to hope we get one by Christmas? Or sooner?
Thats not quite as reasonable...because you have to take to consideration that even if Square-Enix started development today, they would not be done for at least 6 months (I think thats a shorter estimate on a development cycle for a handheld game, even a remake). Throw in localization time too....
But really, FF 1+2 was released very recently in Japan, and it will take a bit for them to tally the results. Clever of them to ask only people who have demonstrated a willingness to buy handheld RPGs.
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I really dont mean to burst anyone's bubble here. But Im a Bad, Bad man.
Post by: Pikkcuber on July 31, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 02, 2004, 12:16:44 AM
Especially in light of your reverence for Final Fantasy 6. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but that still has me scratching my head.
But at any rate I dont understand how Square took away the Final Fantasy series from you....unless you mean you refused to purchase the PSOne for FF 7, 8 and 9....
Perhaps this Secret of Mana game for the DS will be a slight consolation.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 03, 2004, 04:38:10 AM
I really don't know about getting the older NES games remade. I remember enjoying the Super Nintendo Final Fantasy games, but the US version of 3, was so long it was insane.
Post by: Pikkcuber on August 03, 2004, 09:40:54 AM
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 03, 2004, 11:10:04 AM
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Well we know now that Final Fantasy 1+2 are being made for GBA. So we can count them off the list being made for DS...(though we still get to play it.)
I really don't know about getting the older NES games remade. I remember enjoying the Super Nintendo Final Fantasy games, but the US version of 3, was so long it was insane.
The US Final Fantasy III (or Final Fantasy 6) was a very long game....hehe, but most people would say that to its credit. A more balanced, rich and involved japanese-style RPG than just about everything out there....very few games can top it even now. For people who played it in the time of its release, I'm willing to bet many still count several moments from there among their most memorable video game memories...
Secret of Mana was also a beautifully made game for its time...actually gameplay wise I dont think similar games have evolved all that much beyond it. I'm really looking forward to how they tackle this DS version....handdrawn graphics or 3-D rendered (including toon-shaded)?
Post by: ActorJ on August 03, 2004, 12:21:52 PM
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 03, 2004, 03:29:17 PM
Post by: Pikkcuber on August 05, 2004, 09:46:37 AM
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 06, 2004, 06:52:48 AM
Particularly if they feature enhanced versions, depending on how much new stuff they added, they could sell them standalone. Hell, i know I would buy it. -__-
That said, I STILL cant beleive you dont rank Chrono Trigger as classic alongside FF 4 and FF 6. It played better and more dynamically, had great memorable characters, a good story, excellent *excellent* graphics and music composition....dude, when it is said that Chrono Trigger was put together by a dream team of RPG moguls (which it was, featuring the heads of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Akira Toriyama of Dragonball fame), it is said with 100% seriousness.
Post by: Pikkcuber on August 06, 2004, 10:19:52 AM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on August 06, 2004, 11:13:46 AM
Post by: ActorJ on August 06, 2004, 02:46:09 PM
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Exactly Blacknight. I personally thought ff3/6 wasnt to long at all. Everybody who played that game remebers Kefka's laugh, or playing a part in the opera scene, its what Todays RPG's are hoping to be. I think asking for 3 games on one card is asking alittle to much. The card that nitnendo is using for the DS does not have a big storage capacity (but still better than going with cd's) If they put the jappannese final fantasys (3 and 5) and then put the snes games (2/3 or 4/6 if your jappanesse) on one that would be great. They could really make 2 and 3 (4/6) very good remakes if they add extras and stuff. I always go on and on about 3(6) but 2(4) is no slouch of a game by any means. Darn Square for screwing up the numbering for us.
Ridiculous. A DS card is 128megabytes, minumum. The largest SNES game ever made was 6megabytes, total. and FF6 was not it.
Heck, 4,5,6 could be put on one 256megabit GBA cartridge with little problem.
As for being econimically feasable, of course it is. These games have all bean released and re-released to death. As a quick port job it would be more than feasble. considering that Square listed them as a group on their survey, it suggest that's what they are planning anyway....but as remakes, NO.
That's why i said I would like a FF 4,5,6 compilation cart, or better yet FF6 on it's own as a remake rather than a port. It remains to this day my favourite RPG ever.
(BTW, I don't care much for Chorno Trigger either....)
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 06, 2004, 08:31:30 PM
#1) As we were discussing and you also mentionedm, being able to sell those games by themselves would depend entirely on just how much of the game is enhanced. Those games with new graphical polish of say,the magnitude FF 1 and 2 recieved would be candidates for standalone releases....because the fans will just eat em' up. Particularly if we are focusing on FF 4 and FF 6, games which are beloved by many in both the US and Japan. I'll give a full letter grade back to you tho because you talked about this and are correct that if no changes are made and they sell them standalone at or near full price....well, that just sucks and would be a rip.
#2) You speak further blasphemy of Chrono Trigger. -3 grades.
OK, I'm joking here.
But Im serious when I say that the SNES definitely featured games larger than 6 MB. There is no argument to that...Street Fighter II at 16 MB, Breath of Fire at 12 MB. Then we have FF3 which was 16-24 MB, DKC, Killer Instinct, Chrono Trigger (24 MB) itself....and really, many many more over 6 MB. This is truth, it is SNES canon.
It MIGHT be possible to put 4, 5 and 6 on a 32 MB cart as you mentioned tho...it would depend on how large 4 and 5 are. I am almost 98% that FF 6 is 20 or more MB, and I would think that FF 4 alone would be 8 MB.
But Im too lazy to verify. Yay. Me.
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 06, 2004, 08:36:03 PM
Anyways, its not a big deal, I thought it was technically interesting.
Post by: ActorJ on August 06, 2004, 09:04:24 PM
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But Im serious when I say that the SNES definitely featured games larger than 6 MB. There is no argument to that...Street Fighter II at 16 MB, Breath of Fire at 12 MB. Then we have FF3 which was 16-24 MB, DKC, Killer Instinct, Chrono Trigger (24 MB) itself....and really, many many more over 6 MB. This is truth, it is SNES canon.
It MIGHT be possible to put 4, 5 and 6 on a 32 MB cart as you mentioned tho...it would depend on how large 4 and 5 are. I am almost 98% that FF 6 is 20 or more MB, and I would think that FF 4 alone would be 8 MB.
But Im too lazy to verify. Yay. Me.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong. you obviously do not know the difference between bits and bytes. street fighter may have been 16 magabits, but that is only 2 megabytes. What you claim is not truth, nor is it SNES canon. Even if 4,5,6 were all 32megabit games, that is altogether only 12megabytes total, small enough to fit on a 128mb gba cart (the most common size) with room to spare. And on a DS card? It's less than one tenth of the available space.
For future reference. 8 bits to a byte. The lagrest SNES game EVER MADE period WAS 6 megabytes, or 48megabits.
Post by: ActorJ on August 06, 2004, 09:08:37 PM
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Oh, one more thing: I am of the mind that the DS games actually are not starting at 128 MB as the standard. Reggie's words, more or less "capacities of up to 1 gigabit (128 MB) and beyond". In other words, its my belief that some DS games will come on smaller size cards (32 MB, 64 MB flavas, perhaps). Totally doable, since we are looking at a N64 approximate system here. The largest N64 cart was 64 MB afterall.
Anyways, its not a big deal, I thought it was technically interesting.
okay, while you;ve shown you at least know the difference between bits and bytes.... Now just apply that to your knowledge of SNES game sizes....
Post by: Koopa Troopa on August 07, 2004, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 07, 2004, 03:49:56 PM
I still didnt believe you, but Google said it too.
And what Google says....is truly canon.
Oh, the lies Ive been living...
P0wned is me today =*(
Post by: Pikkcuber on August 07, 2004, 05:30:08 PM
