Post by: matt oz on July 17, 2004, 06:26:11 PM
Here's my question:
I'm about 14 hours through the game. I'm at the point where the group splits up in the Asgard human ranch, and something's been bugging me for a while.
I am unable to use three of Lloyd's tech skills, and I have no idea why. They're called: Super Sonic Thrust, Sonic Sword Rain, and PSI Tempest. On the tech screen, they are highlighted in blue, and say that they are "Lv 2 Sp. Attack." I'm not really sure what level 2 means, but there is one Lv 3 Sp. Attack that I can use. So I can't understand why I'm unable to use level 2 attacks. I've tried setting the battles to Manual, Semi-Auto, and Auto, but they're all still unusable.
Does anyone know if I'm doing something wrong?
FYI, avoid the GameFAQ's message board for this game. I went on there to ask this question, and the first message on there was (possible MAJOR spoiler) OMFG!!! Kratos betrays you!!.
I imagine that the other posts in that thread were berating the original poster.
Anyway, I hope a lot of people find this thread useful.
DrZ - I'm angry at my self for even looking in this thread, grr h8 sp0ilarz, but I am stickying it so a hojillion of these threads don't pop up.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 17, 2004, 08:56:04 PM
Post by: matt oz on July 17, 2004, 09:18:30 PM
The thing is I can't even select the different techs on the screen. They're highlighted in blue, and the game won't let me select them to assign to any button. It's a pain, because I'm stuck using the level 1 attacks. I thought it might have something to do with exspheres, but I have a level 1 and a level 2 assigned to Lloyd. I hope it's not some kind of glitch or something.
Post by: GaimeGuy on July 18, 2004, 09:18:56 AM
What, you thought you could just learn every move there is? Sorry. That's not how it works.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 10:06:52 AM
Post by: Griffin on July 18, 2004, 01:03:36 PM
Post by: matt oz on July 18, 2004, 01:09:37 PM
I'm with Griffin on wanting to know if there's a limit to techs you can know. I'm at 13 right now.
Should I forget the lower level ones in order to learn level 3+ attacks?
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 18, 2004, 02:45:09 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 02:56:27 PM
Post by: rambo on July 18, 2004, 04:01:47 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: matt oz on July 18, 2004, 04:35:39 PM
And to answer is the game any good?:
Yes. It's just like every other good RPG out there, except with real-time battles. The story is exactly the same as you would find in every other mainstream RPG. Though depending on your own opinion, this might make the game bad.
Post by: Deguello on July 19, 2004, 06:44:33 PM
Which means it is already better. ZING!
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 20, 2004, 11:08:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 21, 2004, 11:03:05 AM
Post by: Syl on July 23, 2004, 06:48:22 AM
Which, is actually what my question is about, so if you don't want the biggest plot twist in the entire game ruined, and trust me, this is a game destroying HUGE plot twist, then don't read below.
Alright, right after you realize that everything you know is wrong, and kratos turns all evil on your ass.... Is it possible to defeat him in battle that first time? I realized that his life wasn't absurdly high, and his attacks weren't impossibly strong (like yggdrasill) but, i'm curious as to if hes really possible to beat without new game + and what items do you get? (He has 2 drops according to the monster list[/quote]
About the first question:
I'm level 55 or so (nearing end of disk 1, i believe) and i still haven't got the 2 skills your talking about and another one. I think its because my Floyd is, and always has been, S-type, and those are T-type skills. theyre also only level 2, which i means i doubt theyre better than sonic sword alpha, etc.
Highest grade i've seen was nearly 5. I was getting roughly 3-4 grade a fight during my -nearly 100 combo defeat of the earth dragon roughly 30 times so i can get enough money to save the town subquest/training excersize-
Interesting thing i learned about techs that might be common knowledge:
At least for the melee characters, you can chain this way.
attack x3 -Level 1 tech- before that ends - level 2 tech- before that ends- level 3 tech-
I have Floyd doing about a 24 hit combo alone at this point, very very damaging.
Post by: Syl on July 23, 2004, 06:50:01 AM
Which, is actually what my question is about, so if you don't want the biggest plot twist in the entire game ruined, and trust me, this is a game destroying HUGE plot twist, then don't read below.
Alright, right after you realize that everything you know is wrong, and kratos turns all evil on your ass.... Is it possible to defeat him in battle that first time? I realized that his life wasn't absurdly high, and his attacks weren't impossibly strong (like yggdrasill) but, i'm curious as to if hes really possible to beat without new game + and what items do you get? (He has 2 drops according to the monster list
About the first question:
I'm level 55 or so (nearing end of disk 1, i believe) and i still haven't got the 2 skills your talking about and another one. I think its because my Floyd is, and always has been, S-type, and those are T-type skills. theyre also only level 2, which i means i doubt theyre better than sonic sword alpha, etc.
Highest grade i've seen was nearly 5. I was getting roughly 3-4 grade a fight during my -nearly 100 combo defeat of the earth dragon roughly 30 times so i can get enough money to save the town subquest/training excersize-
Interesting thing i learned about techs that might be common knowledge:
At least for the melee characters, you can chain this way.
attack x3 -Level 1 tech- before that ends - level 2 tech- before that ends- level 3 tech-
I have Floyd doing about a 24 hit combo alone at this point, very very damaging.
Post by: matt oz on July 23, 2004, 11:20:41 AM
I found Tales' story to be strikingly similar to Final Fantasy X. You have some girl (Yuna/Colette) on a quest to save the world from something destructive (Sin/mana depletion). You find out during the course of both games that the main female character will die if you go through with the whole saving the world thing. And so you must do something else in order to save the world. In FFX, Auron keeps the secret from you that he's dead, while Kratos keeps the secret that he's an angel in Tales, and they're the experienced fighters mentioned earlier.
Anyway, that's why I call this game generic and just like every other RPG. Don't get me wrong, though. This game is great. The battle system is fun. The puzzles in some of the later dungeons are great. And the story is interesting, but I've heard it before.
And about the tech skills: at first, Lloyd was S-type, then he gradually changed to T-type during the game. I didn't understand why. I use a pretty even combination of A-button attacks and tech attacks. Doesn't matter though. I've never had a problem with a battle yet.
Post by: Griffin on July 24, 2004, 01:55:00 AM
I just have two questions about the end of the game, so if you haven't beaten the game, don't read this, since it contains at least one very major spoiler:
At the very end of the game, during the anime cut scene when Lloyd is asked to name the Great Tree, I didn't actually hear him say the name...did he say the name, and I just missed it, or did the cut scene end right before he named it??
Also, when I decided to try and start a new game and got that GRADE shop, I noticed that there wasn't an option for keeping your exp/levels, or your weapons/armor....do you have to start over with these with a new game, or do you keep both regardless?
Overall, this game was/is fantastic, and I'm already looking forward to playing through it again....the only other RPG I've ever played (on PC or console) that has made me WANT to play through it again is Chrono Trigger. That's when I know I have a great game.
EDIT: Oh, Matt Oz, I think your T/S status depends on the ExSkills you choose in the game. I'm not 100% sure though. I spent most of the game time at S, but I also went back and forth occasionally. I think the book explains it, but sometimes I have a hard time remembering things like that
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on July 24, 2004, 06:53:51 AM
Post by: DaTwig on July 26, 2004, 10:01:38 PM
Depending on how many T/S ExSkills you have, the more it will move when you level up. If you have all 4 Exskills on T, then your character will get to T faster. If you have 2 T and 2 S, then your bar will not move.
Post by: matt oz on July 27, 2004, 08:56:16 AM
Right now, I'm at Mithos' castle in Derris-Kharlan, and throughout the game I've encountered these weird black treasure chests that I was unable to open. I was just wondering if you're able to open them your first time through the game. Like if there's some item you need, or if you can only open them your second time through.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about I've seen them at the Latheon Gorge, and in a room near the elevator in Welgaia.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 27, 2004, 12:20:06 PM
*here we go!*
In Flanoir, in the first area, you should see a slumped-over guy blocking a doorway...He will introduce himself and give you the "key" to opening those chests...What is contained in them are a few of the "Devil's Arms," which are Darkness weapons for each of your characters...The man(Abyssion) will tell you the rest of the details...
Post by: matt oz on July 27, 2004, 01:30:12 PM
The one disappointment I had in this game was that I felt the battle system was never explained well enough in the game. There was stuff I didn't fully understand until 10 hours in the game. I had to go back to the instruction book so many times in the beginning.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the ending. And I'm glad that they didn't have some final twist at the end that would leave room for a sequel. I hate when games do that. But one question about the ending: Why did Martel fuse with Tabatha? I know that Tabatha was a failed Chosen or something, but I didn't fully understand that.
Post by: DaTwig on July 27, 2004, 09:01:02 PM
Tabatha wasn't a failed chosen, she's a robot. They don't have the word "robot" in their vocabulary so they called her (it) a doll that was able to talk and stuff by magic. Tabatha was a failed experiment of some sort I'm guessing. On another "project" besides the "chosen" ones. I'm guessing. There's no proof that what I say is true.
Post by: Griffin on July 27, 2004, 10:12:47 PM
Post by: CHEN on July 28, 2004, 02:59:50 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 28, 2004, 12:17:05 PM
[BGriffin, to answer your first question, the scene cuts off right before he says it.
He probably names it after the Linkite tree
Post by: matt oz on July 29, 2004, 03:20:43 PM
Now, why Yggdrasill?
If you're familiar with Norse mythology, which I vaguely was, but didn't figure this out until it was pointed out to me Yggdrasill is the name of the giant, life-giving tree in Norse mythology. Another interesting fact is that the roots of Yggdrasill reach a city called Asgard, and one called Niflheim (which I believe is an optional dungeon in the game. I don't know, being as I had no idea it existed.)
So, it seems there's a few aspects in the game alluding to Norse mythology, which I think is more interesting than Greek mythology. Greek mythology doesn't have an apocolypse story (as far as I know), and I think valkyries are cool too.
Man, I'm such a dork.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2004, 03:32:12 PM
And you should remember that this is Lloyd who's naming the tree...There's no way he would have known this...So he would name the tree after something he knew about...
Post by: Syl on July 29, 2004, 04:12:50 PM
I'm glad they left it open to interpetation however, I'm curious how the worlds merged actually, I mean, theres a lot of stuff that had to be moved around, didn't seem like a single thing got damaged.
That said, this game easily has my vote for "most towns getting owned" that i've ever seen in a single RPG. [/url]
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2004, 04:33:54 PM
Post by: Urkel on July 29, 2004, 08:33:37 PM
Post by: matt oz on July 29, 2004, 09:21:43 PM
For such a large game though, it's a very small glitch/bug. There is a major inconvenient glitch that I've read about, concerning missing the fishing boat out of Izoold, but that's due to people's stupidity for the most part.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 30, 2004, 07:31:09 AM
Don't tell KnowsNothing that...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 03, 2004, 09:13:23 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 03, 2004, 12:21:47 PM
Post by: matt oz on August 03, 2004, 02:01:21 PM
Anyway, I'm about 64 hours into my game. I've already beaten it, but now I'm going back for all the side quests. But I have a question: in the Monster List, all of the monsters have a ? next to location. Why is that? I've used Magic Lens on all of them. The only monster with a location is a bigfoot or something, and I don't even remember fighting it.
EDIT: Nevermind. I figured out that in order to get a monster's location, Raine must use the magic lens, or something like that. I'm not sure. The Katz monster expedition just tells you how many you haven't encountered.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 04, 2004, 03:38:09 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 04, 2004, 08:21:11 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 05, 2004, 12:46:26 PM
[EDIT: somebody tell me wtf's wrong with my quote tag, huh? h8]
Really? I just innocently went off exploring before taking a boat trip. Maybe they should've blocked the path like they did with Hakesonia peak. What I did was I went exploring and went to Hima. Once I spoke with the first person there I was unable to take the boat from Izoold. There was nothing there telling me to turn around or that I was doing things out of order. The only clue that saved Bill was that the enemies in that area (the rooster guy, mainly) were considerably harder, but I just figured that I really sucked and needed more practice.
Long story short, I started the game over. -___-
But how was that due to my idiocy?
no offense taken
Post by: evil intentions on August 07, 2004, 05:24:32 AM
I also am having trouble using the multiplayer mode. My cousin was trying to play with me and I put her character for manual, but it still does not let her play.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 07, 2004, 08:05:27 AM
About the multiplayer question...I believe the character you must put in manual must be the same in the lineup as the controller is setup...In easier terms: Example: Pretend your cousin wants to play as Genis
Lloyd -> you
Kratos
Genis
Raine
In this lineup, you see that Genis is 3rd...Therefore, if your second controller is set in the second socket, you would only be able to control Kratos as well...To fix this, either put the controller in socket 3 or switch the lineup so Genis is 2nd in the lineup(by using Y)...
Post by: evil intentions on August 08, 2004, 03:53:45 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 08, 2004, 06:25:10 AM
Post by: evil intentions on August 08, 2004, 10:43:36 AM
Sorry but I now have another question. What exactly are GRADE points? And how do I get them?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 08, 2004, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: evil intentions on August 11, 2004, 06:12:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2004, 07:51:35 AM
So I assume you are in the second teleporter part, correct? I think I remember it going like so...
left (yellow)
left (red)
top (yellow)
left (yellow)
top (yellow)
top (red)
If it doesn't work, tell me...
Post by: evil intentions on August 11, 2004, 07:07:03 PM
Edit: Dang it, I have another question. I have just been to the research center in Tethe'alla, and am trying to get to Ozdette for Presea. Zelos said it was on the same Continent but he won't let me go into the woods and that seems like the only place I can go to on that continent. Which way am I supposed to go if not through the woods?
Post by: evil intentions on August 14, 2004, 06:56:28 AM
Edit: Nevermind I think I got it.
Edit2: Ok, I don't got it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been walking everywhere and can't figure out where to go.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 14, 2004, 10:11:06 AM
Post by: evil intentions on August 14, 2004, 10:34:44 AM
Post by: rose11 on August 16, 2004, 09:50:51 AM
When I stand in front of the compactor, no little 'examine' shows up in the corner of the screen. If I press 'a', nothing happens. It's as if the compactor is just a piece of scenery. The other compactor is like that too. Since no walkthroughs mention it, I think it might be a bug. If it is a bug (or if it's not) what do I do? I've tried saving it and turning it off, leaving the sewers, and even leaving the city altogether. Help, please!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2004, 12:03:10 PM
The only thing I can recommend is to check and make sure that a usable block isn't already hiding somewhere...If that isn't the case you could give a shout to Namco at support@namco.com...But if it's a bug I fear you'll have to use a previous save(if you made one ;_;.)
Post by: rose11 on August 16, 2004, 12:30:42 PM
Post by: evil intentions on August 16, 2004, 07:58:22 PM
Post by: evil intentions on August 17, 2004, 09:34:11 AM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on August 17, 2004, 11:53:31 AM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on August 17, 2004, 11:57:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh boy...That was a lot of fun... :\
So I assume you are in the second teleporter part, correct? I think I remember it going like so...
left (yellow)
left (red)
top (yellow)
left (yellow)
top (yellow)
top (red)
If it doesn't work, tell me...
Another way to do this puzzle is to take the portal that is not protected by a guard (ie. has no guard patrolling it). Much, much easier.
Post by: CHEN on August 17, 2004, 01:10:57 PM
And Bill, -10 cuteness points.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 17, 2004, 01:24:42 PM
I could have sworn I had to pass a guard or two on the way through the "maze"...*shrug*
"And Bill, -10 cuteness points."
For Tsunade it's worth it...
Post by: evil intentions on August 17, 2004, 05:05:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Myxtika1 Azn
I think that you now have to form a pact with Shadow.
Where can you find Shadow.
Haha, Bill. You have a cute avatar, then it becomes really...err...strange.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 17, 2004, 05:18:54 PM
And I happen to think Tsunade is cute, thank you... >=(
Post by: evil intentions on August 17, 2004, 05:22:01 PM
Yeah but, isn't she like bleeding or something...and I mean look at her eyes...well you like her lol.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on August 18, 2004, 12:00:23 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2004, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: CinderZ711 on August 20, 2004, 01:55:07 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2004, 07:29:57 PM
FIRST TIME:
right
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left
up
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SECOND TIME:
right
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up
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up
right and take the elevator thingie
OH BOY THIRD TIME:
down
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up
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up
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SAME AREA BUT FROM DIFFERENT ENTRY:
left
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down to elevator...then after you've gone down go left and take the other elevator
HAVING FUN YET?:
left
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right
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down
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down
left
down
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up
left
down
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And you're done...(don't forget the "hard to see" item in this room)
Post by: CinderZ711 on August 22, 2004, 05:46:05 PM
I still couldn't get the directions down right so i went out and bought a stratigy guide
I appreciate your help tho
Post by: evil intentions on August 29, 2004, 10:58:49 AM
You know those little shadow pieces? Well they follow me down the path but when I try to go farther down they stop following me and dissapear. Is there somewhere else I need to go? (Sorry if it's a little confusing)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2004, 03:43:21 PM
Post by: evil intentions on August 29, 2004, 06:03:01 PM
Post by: thepoga on September 11, 2004, 03:22:58 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2004, 04:47:50 PM
Post by: thepoga on September 11, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2004, 08:42:56 PM
Post by: thepoga on September 14, 2004, 03:14:39 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2004, 03:27:26 PM
Post by: evil intentions on September 17, 2004, 07:18:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Turn off the light right at the bottom of the first ramp with your Shadow Ring power...Then the shadow sprites will wait for you there...
Hey Bill, I don't see a light at the bottom of the first ramp. I go down and can't see them there either. I don't understand...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2004, 01:42:42 PM
Post by: vudu on September 24, 2004, 09:52:20 AM
Post by: vudu on September 26, 2004, 01:15:34 PM
warning: spoilers. don't read unless you've finished the game.
i know that the option of talking with kratos in flanoir after you find out who mithos really is, and if you talk to him, you have the option of him rejoining your party, at the expense of zelos. if you choose to talk with him at flanoir, will he definitely rejoin your party, or do you have the option to keep zelos?
the reason i'm asking is because i'm not going to want to play through the entire game a second time, but i would like to see what happens in both cases. right now i have a saved game right before i enter flanoir to look for the doctor. my plan is to first go with zelos, beat the game, and then replay from that saved point, only choose kratos and re-beat the game. if i talk with kratos in flanoir, do i still have the option of going with zelos later in the game? if so, i won't bother to keep my flanoir save, and instead save right before i make the choice. the less i have to replay, the better. not that i don't entirely enjoy the game, but i really don't want to replay several hours of the game, if i can avoid it. any help would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: Djunknown on September 27, 2004, 02:28:29 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2004, 03:21:06 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 10, 2004, 10:18:33 PM
....I just watched that <3min. clip of a COMPLETE battle with "Devil Arm Dude".
.....1064-hit combo....
.....
.....This is just like leveling Alucard to 9999 HP....
...WHY???...
Post by: evil intentions on October 23, 2004, 10:43:52 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2004, 12:05:35 PM
Post by: vudu on October 24, 2004, 05:18:02 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 24, 2004, 07:30:28 AM
Post by: vudu on October 24, 2004, 07:49:42 AM
Holystar's RPG Media Files
Scroll down about a third of the way down the page and you'll find it. There's a couple other good moves there from the game, as well as a bunch of other interesting RPG vids.
EDIT: I just watched the vid and it's not nearly as interesting as it sounds. The guy just keeps using the stop watch over and over again to freeze time. Still skillful, but not necessarily entertaining to watch. The best part was watching the bonus EXP at the end of the fight; dude got 42,560 bonus EXP. It took seven seconds just to add the bonus EXP to the normal.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 24, 2004, 02:58:14 PM
Post by: vudu on October 24, 2004, 04:05:07 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 24, 2004, 07:31:48 PM
Post by: Dasmos on November 29, 2004, 10:55:34 PM
I am only about 4 hours in. Does the option come later in the game or is what i am doing wrong?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2004, 11:29:27 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2004, 11:41:43 AM
(P1) Lloyd
(P2) Colette
(P3) Genis
(P4) Kratos
You must rearrange the character order to assign which Player gets which character. When you're satisfied, goto the TECH menu. Player1 will obviously be set to "Manual" or "Semi-Auto" at the upper right corner of the screen. If set to "Auto", the computer AI takes over during battles (default for non-human party members during single player). So, in the Techs menu, goto the other 3 characters and set each of them to Manual/Semi-Auto to ACTIVATE them for multiplayer. You'll see they now have the option to assign skills/spells to the various B-button combinations now. And you should be ready to go. Turning human/multiplay characters On/Off can be done anytime during battle or running around a map/town.
Things to note, I think P1 takes control precedence over the map/town/overworld/running around. P1 might be the only one who can bring up the character menu during the map/running phase. While in the character menu, all players share control of the cursors and stuff, so be careful.
Post by: Dasmos on November 30, 2004, 11:58:09 AM
Post by: Dasmos on December 24, 2004, 10:47:59 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 25, 2004, 07:31:01 PM
If Abyssian seems to DESTROY your party after fighting for only a couple minutes, consider using an All-Divide early in the match. The plus side is Abyssian takes longer to kill YOU, so you can stay in the fight longer. The downside is the overall fight lasts mush longer.
Some general pointers:
- Have Raine's strategy set to HEAL, and have her cast only ONE spell: Revitalize (don't turn off her Magic shield/block thingy). Casting time is precious, so I think you'd rather not have her preoccupy herself with other spells.
- Set your spellcasters to cast as fast as you can allow. Give them whatever they need so there's no worry about running out of TP.
- Set everyone to have as much Elemental Defense as possible. Depending on what armor and EX skills you have, Raine could have very high defense from all elements, and Lloyd might be immune to Fire, for example.
- Use U.Attacks to prevent Abyssian from casting nasty spells (especially Meteor). It's up to you to identify early what Abyssian is casting.
- Keep Abyssian staggered as long as possible; chain your combos with your teammates' attacks as much as possible. If Abyssian can't fight, he can't hurt you.
- Adjust to how Abyssian fights. Know when/what to block. If you can avoid an attack by running away, then RUN. He uses the same techs over and over, so don't get caught off-guard each and every time.
Just from personal experience:
My original attempt at Abyssian from my first play-thru of the game involved Lloyd, Presea, Genis, and Raine, and they were at similar levels to your guys. It took me about 30min to beat Abyssian, using an All-Divide. I keep a separate save file so I can revisit the fight. After different approaches and adjustments (while still at the same exp. level), my Lloyd, Presea, SHEENA, and Raine party can beat Abyssian in 15min (w/ All-Divide). Sheena's awesome. Genis is a slow monkey. 3 fighters thrashing-away at Abyssian from all sides seemed to be more advantagous than waiting for Genis to cast something. Having generously high HP and Def, or playing multiplayer with people who know what they're doing, may eliminate the need for an All-Divide.
Post by: Dasmos on December 25, 2004, 07:49:38 PM
I will try an All-Divide and i have basically already tried all the other the things you suggested so i guess as the old saying goes "If at first you don't succeed try and try again."
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 25, 2004, 11:48:57 PM
*o*
Post by: Ermanil on March 29, 2005, 03:50:39 PM
I have a question. I have a guide to all the little tidbits that I missed, but one of the items you need doesn't sound familiar. Does anyone know what the Vinheim key is? Or where I can get it? I migh've gotten it the first time around, but as I said, it doesn't ring a bell.
Has anyone answered the questions from the first page? Like how you get a higher grade in battles? I didn't want to read through all 6 pages just to find out. I can help with that if need be.
anyway some help would nice. Thanx in advance!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 29, 2005, 04:52:02 PM
I never read the first page... but getting high HIGH grades in battles are largely dependent on how low your characters' levels are compared to the enemies you fight. I've earned grades of 10.00 - 20.00 on bosses in my replays during multiplayer via good teamwork, so being able to DESTROY bosses without leveling your characters much at all yields big grade rewards (in other words, visit/beat bosses as early as possible, AND do it well). The other conditions I'm aware of that affect grade are how quickly you finish battles and how well you and your party members block attacks; getting hit by anything can easily lower your grade.
Post by: Ermanil on March 29, 2005, 05:23:41 PM
Just curious if anyone answered that, It wasn't answered the first couple pages and I guess someone was curious about it.
Okay, well, I'm just glad I didn't miss the key. Thanks again for that info.
Post by: guitar_nathan on March 31, 2005, 02:27:59 PM
Post by: Ermanil on March 31, 2005, 04:32:11 PM
That's my advice, but it does sound like a glitch. if so, do the thing that most gamers hate to do. restart.
Any one is welcome to prove me wrong on this.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2005, 05:04:54 PM
Don't pay too much attention to walkthrus, and keep on playin'. There's no way to "collect everything" on the first run, btw.
Post by: Ermanil on April 04, 2005, 02:36:43 PM
1) For the Devil's arm in Walgia..or whatever place it is..where is it? do I need to find before the final battle, or can I get after freeing my comrads from their respectable traps?
2)And another thing, not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but the third and final time the sword Dancer appears in Iselia forest, does he disappear? If so, when? 'Cause I can't find him, and he was there before Derris Kharlan decided to make an appearence for the first time.
3) What is an easy way to defeat said sword dancer? My party usually consists of Raine, Kratos/Zelos (depending on who I have at the time), both chars set on heal. And either Sheena or Genis.
Some help would be awefully nice. But I get the feeling i"m going tohave play through a thrid time.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 04, 2005, 04:18:08 PM
2) Sword Dancer 3 remains till the end of the game. I think Colette must be in your active party before you enter the forest zone to make him appear.
3) An All-Divide helps (tho you should save one for later...). Having high levels helps, at 65+ (tho i think it's more fun to struggle at levels 45-50). Raine is nice to have. Sword Dancers are weak against Light Magic. An optimum combination of EX Gem skills for your characters is helpful, depending on your strategy. Careful blocking is a must since the best time to attempt/start a combo is after he finishes swinging.
Post by: Ermanil on April 04, 2005, 07:27:09 PM
2) u mentioned something about ex skills order. what would u suggest? I pretty much have personal on all the one's that it will help in battle or dungeons.
thnks for your help once again.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 04, 2005, 08:10:14 PM
2) Well, there's LOTS of combinations, and I don't remember most of them. Because I use Sheena most of the time, i use (Add Combo + Prolong + Dash + Speed Cast), which enables Quick Turn, Combo Force, and Hard Hit. These make her a more effective fighter and nice to control. If you can use her well, she can significantly shorten the length of boss battles thanks to her status effects. Raine and Genis should, at the least, have Speed Cast + Spell Save. Slasher + Super Chain + Eternal allows Zelos to have Super Blast. And Stat Boost + Vitality + Spirit allows Colette to have Life Thief and Spirit Thief. Remember to fight a regular battle to activate these Ex Combos after you set them.
Post by: Ermanil on April 05, 2005, 09:30:26 AM
Any way, that's my experience. gonna have to do it again sometime.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2005, 01:58:24 PM
I usually fight him around lvl 65, right after the first visit to Welgaia, from a game started from scratch, using an All-Divide, beating him in under 10 minutes, without Raine. That's when you have to work hard. If I have Raine, then I'd end up with a positive grade. Really, I have a file saved just for this purpose; it's like revisiting a fighting game for a few quick matches.
Post by: Ermanil on April 05, 2005, 06:58:13 PM
Post by: Ermanil on April 05, 2005, 11:03:42 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2005, 08:00:27 AM
As with many RPGs, the easy way to win is to have very high levels/stats and use that "unfair" advantage to wipe the floor with your enemies. So with higher stats, the less trouble you'll have. But if you're like me, you're seeking a challenge, and maybe you also want to get the rewards of the Colosseum as early as possible (it opens right after completing Latheon Gorge, i think). Again, it's ridiculousy difficult at low levels (65?), and I can only speak of what I've experimented with.
As usual, people like having Raine in their party, for obvious reasons. If you think she can take care of herself, then great. But the problem I had with her is you're often outnumbered, and enemies will gang up on her, and since she's blocking or simply getting killed she's too busy to do anything useful, like healing (there's an EX Combo that solves this problem tho), forcing you to become her bodyguard. That's a waste of my energy.
So at lvl65, it was basically impossible for me to beat it having Raine. Instead, I chose 3 fighters, Sheena, Regal, and Zelos. Zelos has decent healing skills, Regal also has limited healing, and Sheena can use Purgatory Seal like a weak but faster version of Ressurrection. Plus, Sheena has nice summons, and they can all fight. Using Sheena, I run around and weaken all the enemies, while the other two Scatter and work on enemies separately. I also make sure to prevent magic enemies from casting spells, so I'm switching targets often. Changing the party Strategy to fit the needs of each match does help. Have some good food available for some nice home cooking between fights. And I think some kind of Poison prevention is helpful in one of the matches; at least, for my Sheena.
Post by: vudu on April 06, 2005, 08:59:20 AM
Post by: Ermanil on April 06, 2005, 09:49:16 AM
Also, can all three opponents heal/resurrect? I know of at least two. But one could have an item.That's my main problem. so should it be divide and conquer?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
The best I could do was scatter my party to keep each opponent busy. I usually fought Farah to keep her attention on me, otherwise she'd rip my teammates apart. She's a little terror. Of course, I'd change targets occasionally to aid my teammates (so they don't DIE so quickly).
Items are allowed in this battle, and All-Divide always helps (only 1 All-divide is necessary in a match). Practically my entire inventory of healing/life bottles gets used up in this battle.
Post by: Ermanil on April 07, 2005, 12:26:42 AM
Post by: vudu on April 07, 2005, 08:57:24 AM
Post by: Ermanil on April 07, 2005, 09:39:58 AM
How do you get Regal's and Presea's strongest weapon? On the nformation I have it says to walk out of the place and walk back in. Did that and I still didn't get the weapons. And yes, both were at level 80. A little help?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 07, 2005, 04:08:51 PM
I *could* capture the anime scenes from the GCN game, but as far as I know, the opening sequence and Palmacosta's destruction and the ending are all that exist. I already have the opening available, but i'm not crazy about the other two.
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Walk into the final door, see the chit-chat "we're gonna save the world" cutscene, then walk out. At lvl80 minimum, Regal must visit Meltokio Castle prison, talk to a prisoner, then visit his martial arts master at the Hot Springs. Presea must visit her house in Ozette and talk to the family friend guy.
Post by: Ermanil on April 07, 2005, 04:44:10 PM
1) the beginning
2)Palmacosta I guess
2) half way through
3) Mana Cannon
4) The growth of the Deadly tree, I think it's teh great kharlan...can't be sure...
5) Ending.
But yeah, all I'm really looking for are the endings and the half way point. I would do it myself, But i'm not sure if I could record it onto my comp like I can with regualr TV. I do believe I could, but not sure. Thnx professional!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 07, 2005, 08:14:33 PM
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I believe the Kharlan Tree and Palmacosta's destruction are part of the same scene. The other mid-way scene I don't remember too well. If a scene had no people/characters involved, i'm not counting it as an anime scene cuz it easily could've been CG-only, like the intro-narration. I didn't agree to capturing anything, btw.
Post by: Ermanil on April 08, 2005, 08:29:54 AM
Post by: lll fatedgirl ToS on May 08, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
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Post by: Shedemei on May 16, 2005, 01:19:03 PM
I have every item in the game in my collectors book, I have completed the figurine book, my max combo is 200 but I have a friend who got 206. The way to get high grade is by fighting well and fast at a low stage.
Post by: Shedemei on May 16, 2005, 01:22:22 PM
Post by: Shedemei on May 16, 2005, 01:24:34 PM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
From what I've read on the GameFAQ's message board, if you miss the boat then you have to do the Mana Tower before the wind and water temples. Meaning, the enemies suddenly get a bit tougher, and when you finally get to Palmacosta, everything in that area will be considerably easier.
Anyway, I'm about 64 hours into my game. I've already beaten it, but now I'm going back for all the side quests. But I have a question: in the Monster List, all of the monsters have a ? next to location. Why is that? I've used Magic Lens on all of them. The only monster with a location is a bigfoot or something, and I don't even remember fighting it.
EDIT: Nevermind. I figured out that in order to get a monster's location, Raine must use the magic lens, or something like that. I'm not sure. The Katz monster expedition just tells you how many you haven't encountered.
if Raine doesnt take the magic lense picture you wont get all the data. the ??? are for data
Post by: Shedemei on May 16, 2005, 01:25:34 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
The boat thing I don't think that is a bug or glitch, but actually a second scenario, as you can just walk to Palmacosta by crossing a bridge in the north and heading east then south.
I accidently went the wrong north way the first time I played. Hekonesia doesnt matter.
Post by: Shedemei on May 16, 2005, 01:32:30 PM
and then to get the others...you have to view the cutscene before entering the warp point to fight mithos for the last time then leave and go to different places.
Regal - talk to the man in the prison in the bottom of the mektokio castle. then talk to the old man at the hot springs as regal as well
Presea talk to the man at her daddys burial site in ozette. twice.
Post by: kumiko on May 17, 2005, 01:14:54 PM
um please just let me no so i dont do anything against the rules or get in trouble or something.
thanks
kumi
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2005, 01:59:30 PM
Post by: kumiko on May 17, 2005, 03:04:54 PM
please help!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2005, 04:49:29 PM
To get past the boulders, umm, set one of Lloyd's EX skills to "Personal" so that the party runs faster, that way you can get to the safety ledge beside the boulder's path.
Post by: Shedemei on May 17, 2005, 09:04:16 PM
Post by: kumiko on May 18, 2005, 03:06:14 PM
one more question how do you get the pic's by your names?
kumi
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2005, 04:22:35 PM
Post by: Shedemei on May 18, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: kumiko on May 19, 2005, 03:49:58 AM
Post by: kumiko on May 23, 2005, 01:35:05 PM
~kumi
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 23, 2005, 06:09:41 PM
http://ssv.jaccinc.com/tos-ice.jpg
Post by: Shedemei on May 24, 2005, 12:17:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2005, 12:36:40 PM
Post by: Shedemei on May 24, 2005, 10:46:14 PM
Post by: LinkZero on August 03, 2005, 12:28:09 PM
i'm tring to get "lone general" for loyd
it said i have to fight alone in battle,but
i try everthing and it doesn't work
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 03, 2005, 01:14:59 PM
Post by: LinkZero on August 11, 2005, 05:52:46 PM
but that didn't work either,anyway thanks for the help
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 11, 2005, 06:10:52 PM
Post by: LinkZero on August 11, 2005, 06:17:17 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on August 17, 2005, 02:32:58 AM
Post by: RABicle on October 27, 2005, 01:53:37 AM
Although Ironing board for LOL.
Post by: Niek on December 20, 2005, 04:40:00 AM
I am stuck in the game. CD 1 almost finished, but i do not seem to meet Afra (the last summon) in the Tower of Mana. My group is saying I need more power to fight it. But where can i find it, I think i beat any Summon spirit thusfar but Afra does not appear on top of the Tower :S
Can anyone help me out please?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 20, 2005, 04:42:39 AM
Post by: Niek on December 20, 2005, 06:12:21 AM
I cannot return.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 20, 2005, 12:26:30 PM
If that doesn't get you moving, come back and list the summon spirits you have.
Post by: Niek on December 22, 2005, 02:51:02 AM
The Otherworldly Gate seems closed.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 22, 2005, 01:42:28 PM
Otherwise, there's some quests to take care of in Sylverant:
- Drop off Mithos at the Governor's building in Palmacosta?
- Visit the Palmacosta Human Ranch?
- Clear the Island Human Ranch?
Post by: Niek on December 23, 2005, 06:10:15 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 23, 2005, 06:52:32 AM
AFTER THAT RANCH, talk to everyone in Noah's Caravan. Then visit the Linkite Tree in the mountains north of the Desert Renegade Base. And maybe the Desert Ranch Teleport will be available to you at this time also.
Post by: Niek on December 29, 2005, 04:35:07 AM
I am facing the last summoner in the Temple of Darkness at the moment. That is my last fight before facing the last test at the Temple of Mana.
Niek
