So...this is the PSP's branch of "ORIGINAL" titles that are coming out when it debuts? Interesting, I mean I have NEVER heard of games like Gran Turismo or Viewtiful Joe before. IT'S ASTOUNDING!! What game could Devil May Cry be?!?! I'm so EXSTATIC!!!
BAH!! Original my foot.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: kennyb27 on July 17, 2004, 07:30:45 AM
Where does it say "original" to begin with?
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: SgtShiversBen on July 17, 2004, 07:44:02 AM
It wasn't that title that stated the games were supposed to be original. It was this interview click me that said the PSP was to get ORIGINAL games. Sure they might be original verions of those, but by their definition, it could mean "Dante included!! PSP EXCLUSIVE!!"
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Djunknown on July 17, 2004, 04:43:10 PM
Smart move by Sony. If the PSP turns into a dumping ground, even the die-hard fanboys will stick its bigger cousin and leave the lil one out rot. It'll pull an N-Gage in short.
Let's not forget that the first PSP game shown to the public, "Death Jr." is an original product. Its just that it seems Japanese devs are weary, while (generally) American devs are licking their chops to make games for it. Even with the Sony name behind it, it still has a few hurdles to jump. Now if we can get an exact figure on how long the battery life lasts for gaming...
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Renny on July 18, 2004, 07:03:48 AM
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Djunknown on July 18, 2004, 05:01:45 PM
That's a very shifty answer (in the interview). The devs better have quicksave as a standard option then; nothing like beating a level only to have the battery die out on you...
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Mumei on July 18, 2004, 07:19:16 PM
I've read that before... Which is why I think Sony's official line about 10 hours for games is complete bull.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on July 18, 2004, 11:52:26 PM
I'd say the PSP (or any handheld for that matter) should support "Suspend to non-volatile memory".
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Draygaia on July 20, 2004, 06:05:40 AM
Better support than the N-Gage.
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: joeamis on July 21, 2004, 12:30:12 PM
The battery life is going to be 2.5 hours for movies, and those are reading the disc the entire time, so naturally the lowest battery life for games would be 3 hours. Games that don't read the disc continuously can have the battery life last upto 8 hours. (this is direct from Sony)
System launches rely heavily on sequels, so it's not surprising that many of the games aren't original yet. It's safe business practice to release sequels on a brand new platform anyways, that way you aren't risking putting all that new development and ending up in the red. Another thing is, all consoles have seen sequel after sequel in the last few years, it's the current trend in the industry.
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: SgtShiversBen on July 21, 2004, 01:33:23 PM
The thing that I don't understand is why would game play be longer....I mean with that you have to constantly be pressing buttons (especially if it's a SquarEnix game) and all the saving and actually having to POWER up the motor again. I don't know, just something that's always bothered me. And the whole concept about sequels being a safe business tactic is true, just I think it's sort of funny how Sony said that they were only going to release ORIGINAL titles. I may be taking it the wrong way, but....when I heard that I thought it meant NOT SEQUELS. But oh well.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Renny on July 21, 2004, 02:27:05 PM
...if you're just listening to music with no visuals at all then it should last, as I said yesterday, about eight to ten hours...
No visuals, no disc, eight hours.... Even a game that barely reads the disc won't last that long.
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: joeamis on July 21, 2004, 06:31:57 PM
Quote Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen The thing that I don't understand is why would game play be longer....I mean with that you have to constantly be pressing buttons (especially if it's a SquarEnix game) and all the saving and actually having to POWER up the motor again.
The button pressing takes very little electricity, the thing that kills the battery the most is to continuously spin the disc for 2 hours as well as having the laser to read the disc continuously for 2 hours.
Reply to Renny's comment: I took the whole music thing lasting 8+ hours as the fact that there will be music albums released on UMD's. I think that's what they were referring to when they said music lasts 8 hours, the playback of the UMD music releases reading the disc for the whole 72 minutes or so.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on July 21, 2004, 10:05:33 PM
Nope, it was very likely the memory stick. If the screen made 75% battery life difference that'd be REALLY f#cked up.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Berny on July 22, 2004, 04:50:50 AM
=O they get a VJ game?! That's some premium suckage there for ya.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on July 22, 2004, 07:12:49 AM
Erm, the PSP and DS will both get a VJ game, I think it's even the same one. I mean, the DS can do cellshading so it shouldn't be that much of a problem, Joe doesn't use a lot of polies.
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: joeamis on July 22, 2004, 10:03:20 PM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k Nope, it was very likely the memory stick. If the screen made 75% battery life difference that'd be REALLY f#cked up.
It's not just the screen that is used for games or even movies, each one requires more processing than just straight sound, and the screen is quite large at 4.3'', has a high resolution, and is backlit. 8 hours for running a umd to listen to music is similar to cd players abilities.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on July 23, 2004, 02:54:11 AM
Since that's marketing speech and the same marketing speech gve us performances of 600MT/sec, I'm inclined to believe that the 8 hjour thing is a best case scenario. Why quote the lower number (playing from UMD) when you can quote a higher one (playing from solid memory)? Also, they'll have enough problems getting movies released in the UMD format, getting music on it would be even harder. Either they'll go with recordable media (as with the MiniDisc) or they'll use the Memory Stick (with songs downloaded from their online service only, of course).
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Renny on July 23, 2004, 01:48:14 PM
In the article they state they aren't really prioritizing UMD releases of either music or movies. ATRAC support seems to be ready for launch, though. To me that says the figure refers to playback from the Memory Stick. [I just realized what a terrible name that is for flash memory. A stick? Not quite something you associate with advanced technology. Heh.]
This is serious over-analysis though. Battery life will initially suck. Period. :¬]
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: joeamis on July 23, 2004, 04:39:03 PM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k (with songs downloaded from their online service only, of course).
we'll just have to wait until launch or maybe TGS to know about the music and movies deal, judging by what they said at E3 they will be releasing music on umds, and they'll probably pave the road with their owned record labels releases. That reminds me, at TGS this september they're going to have all games due out at or around launch, playable there. In the case that they did a complete reversal and decided not to release music on umds which wouldn't make any sense... (more umds produced= lower cost per umd, more software for their system in stores, more companies on board, more people who will buy it who are into music just as much games if not more so who can't dl off the web for it, etc....) then I personally wouldn't mind using their online service connect.com I got to try it out when I bought a big mac meal for a free song dl (had no idea it was through sony) and the site is a blast, you can actually listen to any song of any album for 30 seconds for each song (insane).
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on July 23, 2004, 10:36:22 PM
You remember that it was Sony that sued Sony for the Betamax? Sony's departements don't count on each other when it comes to promoting a product. Their movie departement lobbies for the banning of VCRs and DVD burners, while their electronics division happily produces said devices. I'd say their movie and music branches would just decide that the PSP isn't worth supporting...
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: joeamis on July 23, 2004, 10:46:56 PM
pigs will fly before that happens, with jetpacks
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: jj984jj on July 24, 2004, 08:14:24 PM
:lol: Original huh? 2 Mahjong titles, Bust-a-Move, Frogger, GT, and NFSU2 are all examples of these original titles. :lol:
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: SgtShiversBen on July 28, 2004, 08:34:56 AM
Who in their right mind would pay 50$ for Mah-Jong. I mean that game in the States, let alone in Texas, is awful to try to market. Plus, you can find it for free on cell-phones and internet websites!! Heck, even Lifesavers have their own.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Kain on August 02, 2004, 06:33:00 PM
Most of those titles are sequles dammit.
and did anyone else get that frickin AVP pop up whene they clicked that? thought my comp got a virus... O_o
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Renny on August 29, 2004, 03:32:27 AM
Because they said it wouldn't be a 'port machine.' And look at their flagship game.... I don't have a problem with ports, I just don't buy them.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2004, 07:12:24 AM
I don't recall that at all...
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 29, 2004, 07:29:55 AM
Quote If Nintendo can do simple ports, and no one complains, why can't Sony do the same?
If Sony is doing connectivity with PSP and PS2 why arent people complaining, since everybody complained about Nintendo doing connectivity.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2004, 09:49:32 AM
"Nintendo ports numerous games to Gmaeboy Advance and DS, and no one complains."
Ahaha, you must be joking...I think I'm the only user here that DOESN'T complain about ports... :\
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 29, 2004, 10:16:18 AM
That's because it's Sony and the mainstream media will perpetuate (sp) the idea that if Sony does it, then it was either first done by Sony, or done better. I for one have no immediate desire for a PSP, no games say "Buy me." and the idea of the connectivity between the PSP and PS2 and possibly PS3 is that the games will be nothing short of the same exact game, where you can transfer game data from one system to the other and pick up where you left off in either. I find that more lazy than Nintendo porting old(er) games from their previous systems, because they are no perpetuating the idea that you are buying something new and different.
So what I am saying is, basically "Nintendo did it first, but Sony is going to get the credit for it because they own the mainstream media"
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2004, 10:37:58 AM
No, what I got out of Nitsu's statement is that the MEDIA is the one that is biased, which is absolutely true...
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 29, 2004, 11:18:59 AM
I'm not biased. I own a PS2 and a XBox. And if you or anybody else is going to quote something I say or anybody else for that matter, at least quote the entire sentence and not pick part of it to conform to what you want to say. as you said:
Quote Be Fair
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: manunited4eva22 on August 29, 2004, 03:08:27 PM
The media is not dumb? That is a dumb statement. The media will do whatever their sponsor says is the right thing to say.
Title: RE:PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: Deguello on August 30, 2004, 02:26:58 AM
Quote Nintendo Gameboy Advance has been poting NES and Super NES games for several years now.
Just for sh!ts and giggles I want you to name all the ports released (I could be a bitch and say non-enchnaced, but eh, I still win) versus the original titles released on the GBA. and please omit stuff like Madden 2005 GBA edition and crap like Soccer Kid, since Sports games would load the list and Soccer Kid just sucks, Use your judgement.
I think you will see what I'm talking about. If you had just said "Nintendo" releases ports all over the place, you might have had a point, but they releases lots of original GBA titles too, even if scrubs ignore them and shout "port! OMG PORT," but you said the GBA, And I know for a fact that Capcom has released 7 original titles under Megaman ALONE.
And the PSP deservingly gets called a port machine because it will not even port old games that some people might have missed. They are released practically identical versions of the same games released on the PS2. And I hope they don't act all surprised when their sales get cannibalized.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on August 30, 2004, 05:57:04 AM
Well, they release a hardware that is very similar to the PS2 and is very easy to port to, if they complain about too many ports and too little genuine effort put into the games I'll point and laugh at them.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: LUEshi on September 02, 2004, 10:59:58 AM
They are original because they arent ports.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on September 02, 2004, 10:49:44 PM
Their flagship game is GT4, which IS a port. Maybe with slight alterations to suit the hardware better, but still.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 04, 2004, 03:25:04 AM
yep, the people doing GT4 already said that the PSP version of GT is basically a port of GT4.
Title: RE: PSP's "Original Titles"
Post by: KDR_11k on September 04, 2004, 08:28:22 AM
Sony wants you to play GT4 at home with the wheel and GT4 at work with the PSP. They offer you to transfer your saves between both versions. I wonder why there was no backlash like the "500$ FFCC" claims, after all Sony is expecting you to pay twice for the game.
