Post by: DL_992 on July 04, 2004, 03:26:35 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 04, 2004, 03:58:54 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 04, 2004, 04:10:36 PM
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I know there is a stronghatred for the ps2 here
oh, I must have missed that part.
Post by: The Omen on July 04, 2004, 05:10:29 PM
Post by: DL_992 on July 04, 2004, 05:22:29 PM
and DR.Z great avaitar
Post by: Pale on July 04, 2004, 07:16:46 PM
Post by: elementc on July 04, 2004, 07:46:56 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 04, 2004, 08:41:04 PM
Whaaaat? *smacks sense into Pale*
Post by: Shift Key on July 04, 2004, 08:50:05 PM
QuoteDepends on who replies. You've got the nice side of PGC here pretty much.
I know there is a stronghatred for the ps2 here
And I don't hate the PS2 - there are definitely some great games on there (found a rare ICO PAL release that I STILL haven't started playing :-O) but games like GTA and FF really don't interest me the slightest. Oh well.
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 04, 2004, 10:46:55 PM
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Originally posted by: DL_992
well it just comes off this way because i always see threads bashing on ps2's and cr@p and i dont want to turn this into another spec war.
and DR.Z great avaitar
what, you do? In the month since you've been here? I think you'll find those are locked pretty much as soon as I find them, I frown upon fanboys of any system and moderate acordingly.
and DL_992 great avaitar
Post by: KDR_11k on July 05, 2004, 02:33:49 AM
Post by: DL_992 on July 05, 2004, 03:49:26 AM
Post by: Pale on July 05, 2004, 03:58:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
"eagerly awaiting Sly Cooper 2"
Whaaaat? *smacks sense into Pale*
I knew that would get a reaction from you =P
Post by: Uglydot on July 05, 2004, 08:12:27 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on July 05, 2004, 08:14:40 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 05, 2004, 09:51:16 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 05, 2004, 10:40:15 PM
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Post by: elementc on July 06, 2004, 11:47:56 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 06, 2004, 12:10:48 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 06, 2004, 03:31:28 PM
They are only games. Why do people take them so seriously? I find it very ironic, that Nintendo gamers claim that nintendo games are the most fun, yet they apper to be the most unhappy people I have ever encountered.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 06, 2004, 03:39:40 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 06, 2004, 07:17:48 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Are you getting a disc read error, Darc? I know a couple ways to fix those that work great.
I already tried to fixed it Mouse. I went to Ars Technica and fiddled with it for 3 or 4 hours to no avail.
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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
Why on earth would anyone hate a freaking plastic box that is full of wire, solder and whatever the hell else the jam in there. They are only games. Why do people take them so seriously? I find it very ironic, that Nintendo gamers claim that nintendo games are the most fun, yet they apper to be the most unhappy people I have ever encountered.
Well, I do hate a freaking plastic box. I mean when a company continually puts out substandard products that fail at an abnormally high rate. I think you should be allowed to despise them. I didn't purchase a PS1 because of all the problems my friends had. I waited on the PS2 hoping that maybe Sony would get right this time but now they haven't. I mean my PS2 broke, one of my friends is on hist 3rd PS2, a second is thinking about getting anotehr, and even my brother is gonna buy a second. I already told him to make sure he gets an extended warranty. Frankly Cubed, I don't give a damn how good the games on PS2 are if my damn PS2 doesn't work. Games are just shiny pieces of plastic if your console doesn't function.
Even if my PS2 did function, I'd still rank it as the 4th best console of this generation. I mean in all honestly, despite its short tenure, I had the most fun with the Dreamcast. The GC has been good but only beats out the N64 IMO in terms of the best Nintendo consoles. Eventhough I prefer the GC to the N64, I'd take Ocarina of Time/Super Mario 64 over Wind Waker/Super Mario Sunshine. I'd take the X-box over the PS2. I mean at first I despised my X-box, but when my PS2 broke I realized that just about every game that I had for PS2 was available on X-box and they were usually better. I bought my PS2 for RPGs and only truly enjoyed FFX and Suikoden 3. Hell the only reason I'm even debating getting another PS2 is for Suikoden 4, FFXII, and MGS3. Despite wanting those games I probably won't get a PS2 in protest. Sony needs to build a better product. I mean Mikami of Capcom was disgusted with Sony's product quality and openly expressed his disgust with Sony. Nuff said.
Darc Requiem
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 06, 2004, 07:22:31 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 07, 2004, 04:01:01 PM
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Post by: mouse_clicker on July 07, 2004, 04:11:39 PM
And the other heard I heard about was placing about an inch of tape above and below the hole on the label side of each disc. I haven't tried it myself because adjusting the laser has always worked for me.
Post by: evil intentions on July 07, 2004, 06:04:52 PM
Eh? I happen to love my ps2. I love my xbox and pc as well. The GC is my favorite though. And most people here do love their gamecube the best because this is a gamecube forum...
Post by: AMac2002 on July 07, 2004, 06:11:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem The GC has been good but only beats out the N64 IMO in terms of the best Nintendo consoles. Eventhough I prefer the GC to the N64, I'd take Ocarina of Time/Super Mario 64 over Wind Waker/Super Mario Sunshine.
Darc Requiem
Uh... could you explain that further, I really don't understand that at all. Thanks
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 07, 2004, 07:53:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem The GC has been good but only beats out the N64 IMO in terms of the best Nintendo consoles. Eventhough I prefer the GC to the N64, I'd take Ocarina of Time/Super Mario 64 over Wind Waker/Super Mario Sunshine.
Darc Requiem
Uh... could you explain that further, I really don't understand that at all. Thanks
I'm saying that my favorite Nintendo console is SNES, followed by NES, GC, and then N64. While I like the GC better overall in comparison to N64. I prefer the N64 versions of Mario and Zelda to those of the GC. I'm hoping the new Zelda will unseat OoT as my favorite Zelda game.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 08, 2004, 03:47:18 AM
blol internet.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 08, 2004, 09:55:06 AM
Post by: elementc on July 08, 2004, 10:20:28 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 08, 2004, 10:34:17 AM
Wha? How did the N64 controller lack buttons? I thought OoT was the perfect use of the N64 controller. Unless you've only played the Cube port.
I hope the new Zelda is better than OoT too but more in a "f*ck that would be so awesome" way.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 08, 2004, 10:46:01 AM
I don't recall myself ever saying "I really hope the next Zelda is better than Majora's Mask, but I hope it's not better than Ocarina of Time."
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 08, 2004, 04:38:43 PM
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I'm hoping the next Zelda is better than both OOT and Windwaker. If it's worse than OOT it can go to hell, I don't like that game (awful camera/controls, if you lack buttons don't try to map as many functions to them!)
OoT had bad controls? Did we play the same game. OoT had excellent controls. I know GC port's controls weren't quite as good due to the lack of a couple buttons but they still were pretty good.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 08, 2004, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: DL_992 on July 08, 2004, 05:20:06 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 08, 2004, 05:33:48 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 08, 2004, 05:36:35 PM
oh what, oh off topic shenanigans in this thread.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 08, 2004, 11:25:41 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 08, 2004, 11:49:11 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 09, 2004, 01:58:00 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 09, 2004, 05:44:58 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
So, where's the camera control, then? I mean camera control that goes beyond "move behind player". And the delayed lock-on (try pressing lock before the fairy reachedthe target) is really annoying. Those two issues alone were enough to kill me quite a few times.
Your joking right, you must be confusing OoT, with Castlevanai Legacy of Darkness for N64 or Ninja Gaiden on X-box. Those game have camera issues. OoT's camera is close to perfect. I still despise Ninja Gaiden's camera.
Umm...hmm....trying to think of something on topic. Oh yeah. I also hate the PS2 controller, not only do I hate the configuration but those things are more fragile than the PS2 itself. I mean damn, between my brother and my PS2, we've gone through 5 controllers. All of them have the same problem. The buttons start to stick and/or one of the analogue sticks refuses to center. All of my GC and X-box controllers still work.
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Post by: DrZoidberg on July 09, 2004, 06:49:39 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2004, 06:57:33 AM
I have great trouble to get the camera in OOT to point where I want it to point quickly. Octorocks make that even more annoying. Dodge a shot while waiting for the fairy to go there and suddently they're out of view and you have to walk towards them again to try to lock on (which often results in a hit, I get hit by octorocks often while I'm trying to get a lock on them). It's even worse when trying to handle stronger enemies. That's a strong contrast to, say, Metroid Prime, where locking on works imediately (the sun flower fight would have been a lot harder if this wasn't so). I still don't get why they delayed the lock on. Hell, nobody would have complained if locking worked before the fairy reached the enemy, would they?
Post by: Bloodworth on July 09, 2004, 07:13:04 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 09, 2004, 07:15:15 AM
The PS2 controller sucks because of the following issues:
1. The d-pad is split and thus is the most blister inducing uncomfortable piece of crap EVER. Whoever thought of that should have their liver cut open and be forced to drink the bile inside. It's irritating that despite that fact that literally every single third party Playstation controller ever made doesn't have the split d-pad that Sony hasn't realized "hey this sucks" and fixed it.
2. The controller is d-pad centric. The analog sticks are positioned in an out of the way place as if they're an afterthought. Hello this is 2004. Analog control has been established as the standard for 3D games. Get that stick in the primary location.
3. There are four trigger buttons. I HATE using my middle fingers for gaming. It requires me to hold the controller in an unnatural position that digs the handles into my hand. The N64 and Saturn controllers know how to do 8 buttons: two triggers and six face buttons. Four triggers is almost as uncomfortable as a split d-pad.
4. The buttons have unpronouncable shapes to indentify them instead of letters. The human brain adapts better to letters. I respond very easily to "press A to do this". If I hear "press Square to do this" I have to look down. It's just too difficult to associate shapes with functions after a whole life of reading only letters and numbers in books, signs, posters, TV, movies, etc. This isn't ancient Egypt. Ditch the stupid shapes.
I don't really care for the Cube or Xbox controllers either but they're still way better. This gen though is probably been the worst one yet for controllers as all three of them are crap. I KNOW we won't see any sort of redesign from Sony next gen but I hope Nintendo and MS design better controllers. Nintendo should make the d-pad bigger and redesign the face button layout (and add two more face buttons to have 8 buttons like Sony will have) while MS should rearrange the black and white buttons so that they're in a usable position (again the N64/Saturn six button layout would be best).
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 09, 2004, 08:09:12 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 09, 2004, 08:15:20 AM
You know if you added a second analog stick to that pad, made the sticks click like the PS2 controller, and added a click to the triggers like the Cube has (the Saturn 3D pad was analog triggers doesn't it) you would have a controller that would work with almost every console game released. I'd love it if Nintendo went that route next gen. They probably won't since they claim they're going to do something really different that I assume would use a creative controller design. Seriously though if a console game standard was ever made a tweaked version of the Saturn analog controller would be ideal as the standard design.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 09, 2004, 09:51:59 AM
You're just supposed to move your index fingers down. Otherwise I completely agree with you about the PS2 controller- in a lot of games where the d-pad and control stick are interchangeable I find my thumb slipping to the d-pad a lot.If you ask me the Dreamcast controller is one of the best I've ever used. The d-pad's just a little too low and the control stick is just a little too high (they should have shifted both down), but otherwise I love it.
Post by: Chongman on July 09, 2004, 10:33:42 AM
really? i thought the dreamcast controller was a monstrosity...
of course I didn't play the dc that extensively. it wasn't that horrible...but sometimes it just felt awkward
Post by: Ian Sane on July 09, 2004, 10:36:49 AM
You're not? Hmmm this explains so much though I have seen other people play that way. Nonetheless I think having four triggers is inferior to two triggers with six face buttons.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 09, 2004, 10:44:57 AM
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You're not? Hmmm this explains so much though I have seen other people play that way. Nonetheless I think having four triggers is inferior to two triggers with six face buttons.
Agreed. I used to use my middle fingers for those buttons, too, and my friend told me one day to just shift my index fingers- it works a LOT better.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on July 09, 2004, 02:39:57 PM
I think out of this generation I will have to say GBA is the best, lol.
Seriously Sony is the most uncomfortable especially because of the D-pad yet i still prefer it over its joystick.
The Xbox's white and black buttons are single handedly the worst positioned buttons ever in mankind. But at least xbox controller is ergonomic (controller s, and 3rd party controllers ONLY!!!!!!!!)
Try playing Capcom vs SNK 2, you have to use A,B,X,Y and then choose between using L & R triggers for strong attacks or using the white and black buttons, that ruined the game for me.
GCN on the other hand has the most comfortable controller ever, but the c-stick is an embaressment, and the z button is laughable. I like the face buttons its simple and logical but it is god awful for fighters.
Here's hoping next gen we get some really rad controllers, and every system should have at least 4 ports and be wireless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And to stay on topic I hate Sony, worst quality ever, PS1 only works in upside down state? PS2 disc error, Vertical side only, blue disc, etc. Personally I've had disc errors and then the final straw was when my PS2 scorched my Simpsons season 1 disc (the bonus disc). Weirdest thing ever, it left bubble marks inside the disc. It currently doesn't play anymore, thats when i used my extended warranty and got a xbox instead.
You think that since almost all of the ppl u know own Sony systems have had issues with it they would learn not to buy into their systems unless they took care of the issue. I seriously hope ppl will learn something about sony next gen.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2004, 11:53:21 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 10, 2004, 12:19:00 AM
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Are we dissing the PS2 controller? Yeah! I must join in!
Time for me to join the fad!
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4. The buttons have unpronouncable shapes to indentify them instead of letters. The human brain adapts better to letters. I respond very easily to "press A to do this". If I hear "press Square to do this" I have to look down. It's just too difficult to associate shapes with functions after a whole life of reading only letters and numbers in books, signs, posters, TV, movies, etc. This isn't ancient Egypt. Ditch the stupid shapes.
Thank you. I thought I was the only person who hated the shapes on the face buttons. I'm guessing Sony came up with it to be different and cool. Ditch it and be like Nintendo and MS, Sony.
And I also want add that I dislike the position of the analog button. It's right b/w the 2 analog sticks and they get in the way when I want to reach it. Thankfully it doesn't get pressed often.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on July 10, 2004, 12:20:26 AM
Post by: Draygaia on July 12, 2004, 10:30:55 AM
Any Japanese Game Machine (Nintendo mostly) > PC (very close) > xbox (very far but no hate)
Post by: Ian Sane on July 12, 2004, 10:35:41 AM
Because the six button layout is the standard layout for Street Fighter games. It would be dumb to change it and piss off all the fans. Using the L+R buttons for the strong attacks is not a problem since it's been that way since SFII was ported to the SNES. Odds are if you're a fighting fan you're used to that setup. Naturally six face buttons arranged to two horizontal rows of three would work better though.
Post by: soulfate on July 12, 2004, 08:06:34 PM
PS2? They really should've made new controllers for this, and not used the crappy dated PS1 controller but just made it pressure sensitive (sarcastic yay!...). I don't care about the symbols because you only have to learn them and it really isn't that hard. Only game that's good for this conttroller imo is any of the SSX games (have to use your middle fingers, works really well). The stick's positions need to be changed.
Gamecube? Comfortable in your hand, but a bit too small. The button layout is pretty bad for alot of games, but works well for Zelda games, and Metroid Prime works well too eventhough it's not setup in the 'traditional' console FPS layout. I love the triggers, but the Z button is pretty lame. I don't know where they get off not making the buttons pressure sensitive; not only does it add an extra feature that the developers can work with, it also makes the controller easier on the fingers over long periods of gaming time. The octagonal indentations around the sticks work really well for 3rd person platform/adventure games, and are gererally just good for getting a precise 45 degree angle when you need it. Ninty really needs to drop their 'traditional' d-pad and stick grip designs though; the d-pad is just plain crud, you really dont wanna use it for anything except toggling stuff (Metroid, Rogue Squadron), and the stick grip gives me blisters, just like the N64 one used to (but at least it's rubbery and not that hard plastic).
Umm, I don't hate PS2, I just don't really like it either
Eventhough I own one... 
Post by: Zach on July 16, 2004, 05:27:19 PM
