Post by: DrZoidberg on June 28, 2004, 05:06:06 AM
everyone go buy this game now.
oh and throw in other somewhat old games, (psx, n64, gbc, dreamcast, that sort of thing) that are old and not really that popular but should be.
and send me a free copy of every game mentioned.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 28, 2004, 06:03:26 AM
And that damn good game I played on SNES that I can't remember the name of. I remember it was two player, I believe, and you were these two guys going through China or something. The graphics were an above view most of the time, but I think it went into side scrolling for fights. Bright graphics, if I recall correctly.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 06:09:27 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 28, 2004, 07:19:16 AM
The Genesis version sadly didn't have the Team Battle Royale mode but made up for it somewhat with an exclusice DEATH MATCH MODE! You got to duke it out in a one-on-one match in a barbed wire roped ring with weapons ramdomly getting thrown in the ring and EXPLOSIVES on the floor. I would gladly purchase a special version of that game with both the battle royale and death match if Capcom ever re-released it. The only problem is they would probably port it to the GBA and I would have to buy four copies.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on June 29, 2004, 07:24:14 AM
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Mischief Makers is one of the best games I've played that almost no one has ever heard about.
I rented Mischief Makers one time and played it so much my left arm was completely worn out, to the point where I could hardly hold the controller. That was such a fun game.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on June 29, 2004, 07:33:37 AM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on June 29, 2004, 02:42:10 PM
I'm one crystal away from the full ending of Mischief Makers. But I will get it someday.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 29, 2004, 05:29:29 PM
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One of my favourite SNES games ever is Saturday Night Slam Masters. It was a Capcom wrestling game that played like Street Fighter II within wrestling rules. It only has like ten characters and only two match types but for the time it was the best home console wrestling game available (only because WWF Wrestlefest never had a home port). It still holds up pretty well today. The best match type was the four player Team Battle Royal. It was like a tag team match but everyone is in the ring at the same time and both members of a team have to be pinned. That mode is worth getting a multitap for alone.
Holy crap, yes! I loved this game on SNES. It was one of those games I picked up just because it was on sale at the time. Like, $14.95 from $119.95. Any game is worth buying at a reduction like that. Even Superman 64. I believe it had the mayor dude from Final Fight in it, didn't it? I can't remember his name, which is giving me bowel cancer.
Spin Dizzy Worlds on SNES also rocked. Hardly anybody knows of it.
You played as a spinning top thing (IT'S BEEEEYBLAAAADE) and had to spin around Marble Madness type levels collecting gems and stuff, it even had bonus levels that acted like Pac-Man! Hurray! I think it was also on Amiga and NES. Er, except without the 'Worlds' part on the end of the title.
And ShadowGate. A thread like this isn't complete without the NES' (and Game Boy Color) ShadowGate.
It was rad because it was so very very unfair and annoying. "You use the hammer on the mirror, it leads to another dimension, game over" "You open the trap door, a rat springs out and bites you, you feel dizzy. Game over"
Yay!
blol edit: oops, I just realized these are old old, not recent old unknown gems.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 29, 2004, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 29, 2004, 08:48:48 PM
Mike Haggar. As if Slam Masters wasn't already awesome enough.
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 30, 2004, 12:03:48 AM
Post by: Caillan on June 30, 2004, 01:38:45 AM
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Also, everyone needs Worms Armageddon for their system of choice.
That reminds me I had a demo of Worms Armageddon for the PC... I loved it so so much! One of the training missions, crazy crates, I played for hours and hours and hours. I got to the point where I could get an endless loop of the crate positions, and ended up playing one round for more than 30 minutes once. Anyone else remember that minigame?
I've just started playing Megaman for the GB now, and there's something original about the design that makes me love it. I've never really played anything quite like it. The jumping controls at first seemed awkward and unnatural to me, but now I see why they are so. This is how hard all games whould be!
Diddy Kong Racing is a game I will always remember as being particuarly polished and fun to play. The graphics were clean, bright and gave off a light-hearted atmosphere that just made it fun to play. The music is some of the best I've ever heard in a game still... I have a 30 minute long recording of the T.T. music over and over again.
Throughout the 64 era, I would often meet with my friends to have 'gaming nights'. During these nights, we would solely play games. Unfortuatly now our social gatherings are blighted by seemingly more interesting things, and they've jsut lost their magic appeal. A few years ago, however, Mario Party stole the show. It still pisses me off how much Nintendo neglects this franchise with such a large number of crap sequels. To me, it's games like the original Mario Party that really show what Nintendo can do and what brings them above their compeditors. Bumper Balls will one-day prevail!
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 for Master System (not to be mistaken for it's Mega Drive (or Genesis NSTC) counterpart): this game is awsome. When I was 4 years old, and had no school or anything to do, I would play this and Alex the Kid for at least 6 hours a day. I remember sending in my score to a Sega catalouge and being estatic when I saw how much I owned everyone else. This I consider to be the first modern Sonic game. The first one I also owned, but it lacked the speed which makes the series so famous.
When I was very young - about 3, I think - my mother owned a pub. She would take me there before it opened in the weekeds, and I would play the original Space Invaders game that was there form the 70s or whenever. It was like a coffee table, and you had to look over it to see the screen. The joystick and buttons were on the side. I was never very good at it, but I always wanted to play it. I'm sure that thing would be a fortune now, and I'm still trying to track it down.
I've never played Mischief Makers or Nights, which realy pisses me off. I have no idea how I could obtain them, any suggestions?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 30, 2004, 04:08:16 AM
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Sonic the Hedgehog 2 for Master System (not to be mistaken for it's Mega Drive (or Genesis NSTC) counterpart): this game is awsome. When I was 4 years old, and had no school or anything to do, I would play this and Alex the Kid for at least 6 hours a day. I remember sending in my score to a Sega catalouge and being estatic when I saw how much I owned everyone else. This I consider to be the first modern Sonic game. The first one I also owned, but it lacked the speed which makes the series so famous.
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Sonic 2 and Fantasy Zone on Master System were the reasons I got so addicted to gaming. The first time I got up to the likes of Aqua Lake Zone and Green Hill Zone was an amazing experience somehow. I also loved the quirky bosses, and the fact that the boss stages gave you no chances to obtain any rings. One hit and you were gone. BAM.
Try hunting around pawn shops like Cash Convertors for NiGHTs or Mischief Makers. That's how I got my copies.
Or there's always eBay.
Oh hey, anybody play Buck Bumble on N64? That was a hilarious Lylat Wars kinda game. You played as a robot bee! "NO MY ROBOT BEE!" and you shot things like the garden hose for no reason. It also had absolute gold multiplayer modes, like bee soccer!
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 30, 2004, 05:16:32 AM
Yeah, I have Buck Bumble. I suck at that game so badly I would laugh about it if I felt the need to. And the Robot bee isn't as cool as Zim's. *nope*
Hey, I confused Sonic 2 with teh genesis version, and here's my response. That was my first videogame ever. I never got past Act 2 of Zone 2 but I played it over and over again for hours. Hurrah!
Post by: Caillan on June 30, 2004, 10:47:38 PM
The second act in the second zone is hard with the spikey bit and the hanglider, but if you get it right, you can sail through the clouds (and a chaos emerald) and never see a single one of those horrid spikes. On the other hand, if yoou keep your cool and wait a bit after dropping off the edge before you sail foward, you can get through the spike tunnel usually within a few goes.
I heard of Buck Bumble quite a bit due to my obession with print gaming media at the time, and I was interested in it at first. But whan I saw the screen-shots full of fog, a blocky leaf or two and little else, I was a bit put off. I was going to mention Lylat Wars (or Starfox 64 NSTC) in my first post, but I never got around to it. I really, really loved that game... it just never seemed to get boring. Some people said it lacked a level select, but I disagree: there's something about playing a game fluidly from start to finish that is destroyed by even the presence of a level-select feature. Playing Sonic Advance just doesn't interest me... I feel that the level select takes away any challenge, and gives a hollow feeling to completing a level.
I design games as a bit of a hobby, and one of my friends is a good programer. We know a few artists, and at some point we plan to get together and study a few selected RPG's. I mean, we would each play to a certain point in a game then at our next meeting discuss it. When I say 'study', I mean examining aspects of the game, then discerning why they are there: we are more interested in the resons behind the decisions than the decisions themselves. I rekon that if we did it seriously enough and played the right games, we could end up with a pretty solid design framework for an RPG. I thought that maybe this would be a good place to ask for suggestions? I would like to focus on earler, less CGI-based games than some of the modern ones, and I don't think that studying any more than 6-7 games would a realistic goal. I don't have a definate list yet, but off the top of my head, I would already have something like:
Chrono Trigger
Tales of Phantasia
Skies of Arcadia
Secret of Mana/Terranigma (I'm unsure of which one would be best)
FFVI
FFVII (I haven't, to my shame, played this yet, but I hear good things about it. If it's too similar to FFVI I won't bother with it.)
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Try hunting around pawn shops like Cash Convertors for NiGHTs or Mischief Makers. That's how I got my copies.
Or there's always eBay.
Thanks, I'll see what's around my town. I always mistrusted Cash Converters on some fundemental level, I don't know why, but the prospect of retro-gaming will ease my troubles, I'm sure
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 01, 2004, 05:53:12 AM
I'll have to check out NiGHTS, though.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 01, 2004, 12:04:07 PM
Check out Super Mario RPG. I personally consider it one of the top three games I've ever played in my entire life. That game is perfect marriage of RPG and realtime action game design. It has a lot of exploration and gameplay yet unlike Paper Mario the story is pretty good too. It's just such a user friendly RPG and it has no random battles either. And most important of all unlike most RPGs where I feel like I'm watching in Super Mario RPG I feel like I'm playing. There are no situations where I feel I'm held back by a dumb restriction or that my button presses are telling the character to do something instead of actually controlling him.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 01, 2004, 02:28:33 PM
I might play FFVII and VI, but those are the only ones. But Mario RPG I should play, and maybe Earthbound and Chrono Trigger.
Or not. We'll see. But Mario RPG definitely seems like a good suggestion, from what I've seen. And for not having played it, I've seen a lot.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2004, 12:59:55 AM
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 02, 2004, 04:37:39 AM
;_____________;oh what? PAL angst in this thread
Post by: rpglover on July 02, 2004, 05:42:44 AM
i like the list of rpgs you have going- but i would definately suggest any game by tri-ace
personally i think they are the best rpg developer out there right now- they have so many fresh ideas for rpgs including great battle systems- i would definately look into star ocean (snes), star ocean the second story (ps1) and valkyrie profile (ps1) all three of those are great unique rpgs- all have great battle systems, music, graphics- you name it- i always figured that a great battle system makes a great rpg- i would also suggest chrono trigger, any tales game, and earthbound
Post by: Mumei on July 10, 2004, 01:28:04 PM
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FFVII (I haven't, to my shame, played this yet, but I hear good things about it. If it's too similar to FFVI I won't bother with it.)
It does have a few similarities, but not enough to really detract from it. That said, FFVI blows it out of the water
.As for me, has anyone else played the Panzer Dragoon games? Especially Panzer Dragoon Saga? One of the absolute best RPGs that I've ever played =).
Post by: joeamis on July 21, 2004, 01:32:22 PM
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A game Square-Enix should learn from is Anachronox (if they ignore the bugs). So much better than Final Fantasy...
I just found out about Anachronox two days ago for the first time, but all I know about it is that it is an futuristic rpg. It was one of the games that came from Ion Storm, the company John Romero started in the mid/late 90's in Texas. I had heard about how he splurged on this new company and the place was like a Trump building. Anyways the story is a very great read regarding things that happen in the industry, and it focuses on the game Daikatana's development, it's over 20 pages to read but I highly recommend it, heres the link Behind the Games special. If the other Behind the Game's stories are as good as this, I can't wait to read them all. Time to read about Anachronox and the other Ion Storm game Dominion i think it was called? Oh, and has anyone ever played the N64 version of Daikatana or seen it?
As for mildly recent games that were overlooked...
- Rally Cross 1 (PS1) was a gem of a racing game, unfortunately Rally Cross 2 was pathetic.
- Wrestlemania the Arcade Game (ARC, PS1, SAT, SNES, GEN?, N64?) was the best wrestling title I ever played, it was more like a fighting game, and I'm not a wrestling fan, I don't know how well its aged though. I would recommend getting the PS1 version, that's the one I played.
- Revolution X was another overlooked game, in the arcade only though...
- Dirt Trax FX for the SNES, one of the last games to use the FX chip, very rare.
- Waverace Blue Storm, still the best wave racing game, period.
- Vandal Hearts 2 (PS1), Vagrant Story (PS1), Daytona USA (DC).
- Burning Rangers for the Saturn was supposed to be awesome, it was one of the last games to come out and I'm pretty sure it was made by the same team who made Nights.
- Panzer Dragoon Saga as Mumei said, I never played it, but those who have claim it's one of the best games of all time.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 21, 2004, 10:16:33 PM
Make sure to get the latest patch (1.02 build 46 or something) before playing, the game suffers from major bugs. The patch offers to circumvent the CD copy protection, use it, it will save you from a few crashes. I feel sorry for the people who bought it on launch day... If patched it's pretty stable.
Post by: Draygaia on July 22, 2004, 07:52:38 AM
Simpsons - Arcade
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - The one where they go back in time for the SNes
You know a lot of games seem to have take a step backward when it comes to beat'em up games. Hunter, Spawn Armageddon, Dead to Rights, etc
Jaws for the NES. I haven't beaten it but I thought it was addictive. Just keep getting shells hurting jaws and his babies once in a while and getting somewhat more powerful in a way was addicting.
Post by: Murk280 on July 22, 2004, 09:55:35 AM
HC, earlier I believe you here thinking of this game. But it was for NES, not genesis.
You were this egg who had to rescue his family and friends from various evil spells and could only carry three items at a time. It was a long and sometimes difficult platformer, but one of the best NES games I've played.
Also, Ice Climbers for the NES. My sister and I used to play that all of the time. It's come out for Gameboy Advance recently, but I'm not paying $20 for it. . .
And a game called North and South for NES. Good times were had with that as well.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on July 22, 2004, 10:04:17 AM
Uniracers = 10
Adventure of Joe and Mac = 10
Post by: joeamis on July 22, 2004, 11:06:24 PM
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Underdogs on Anachronox.
Make sure to get the latest patch (1.02 build 46 or something) before playing, the game suffers from major bugs. The patch offers to circumvent the CD copy protection, use it, it will save you from a few crashes. I feel sorry for the people who bought it on launch day... If patched it's pretty stable.
cool, thanks! Ya Jaws for Nes was extremely addictive, my friend had it I didnt, but I always loved to play it, borrowed it, and dreamed of killing Jaws. Simpsons arcade too, me and my friends spent hordes of quarters to beat it many times while my friends mom sat in a chair, I never understood why Konami didn't port it to any other system ever or why noone bought the rights to port it, instead we got crap simpsons games for years and none have equaled the arcade game yet, not even hit n run. Heres more info about the Simpsons Arcade Game and HOW TO GET THE PC VERSION supposedly without a separate emulator program.SIMPSONS ARCADE GAME
The TMNT games were great, I played TMNT 1 and 2, never got to play Turtles in Time, but I will one day once I get time to fire up the rom.
Joe and Mac was a fun game too, I bought it as part of a 3 pack of snes games at Sams Club, that included Congos Caper and Firepower 2000. Congos Caper is very much like Joe and Mac... BTW has anyone played the sequel to Joe and Mac? I never got to that one.
Post by: Caillan on July 23, 2004, 02:30:13 AM
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Simpsons - Arcade
Ohhh, I rememebr being a little kid and playing that for hours. I loved it. The high-score board faultered under the lofty heights of my feared initials -CCM - until they were wiped every two weeks. My main problem with it was that you could just pour coinage into it and keep on going, so the high-score table was a little redundant anyway. I remember now; people used to fool the machine with Fijian 20c coins that are equivilent in weight to our $2 ones here, and so they eventually took it away. Bastards.
