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Title: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on June 27, 2004, 07:33:18 PM
Over at the www.zeldaheadquarters.com forums someone posted an interesting list from NGC magazine of what is apparently rumors for the next game. You can read them in this thread.

I'm not entirely sure if this is just a wish list on the magazines part or if this stuff is legit rumors, but if it is legit then there's some pretty exciting stuff in there.


Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 05:59:51 AM
"Link’s all grown up in the new Zelda-something that Shigsy gave special stress in his E3 micro-speech- which surely means he’ll risk bumping into the adult Link form from Ocarina of Time, who’s scampering around in the same time period."

Say WHAT?  *ultra-confusion*  Just...no way...This completely goes against the belief that Link appears every 1000-odd years...
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Berny on June 28, 2004, 07:38:54 AM
Not if it's the same Link from OOT and MM. It could take place years after MM as Adult Link. This Link could then run into the Adult Link which first smote Ganon's ruin upon the....castleside? Yeah... Anyways, I think it makes sense. Either that or my brain is just so uber confused that it's making logic up.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Burning Excalibur on June 28, 2004, 08:25:01 AM
Well, I could see MAYBE them bumping into one another... What a TWIST THAT WOULD BE! And you never know what musical thing they'll do this time. The Ocarina... the Conducting Baton... what's next? Drums maybe? Or will he listen for music like they predict?
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Jale on June 28, 2004, 08:33:16 AM
They did drums in MM, remember?

Maybe he will sing and whistle this time.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 08:54:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Berny
Not if it's the same Link from OOT and MM. It could take place years after MM as Adult Link. This Link could then run into the Adult Link which first smote Ganon's ruin upon the....castleside? Yeah... Anyways, I think it makes sense. Either that or my brain is just so uber confused that it's making logic up.

So you're saying Link would meet up with himself?  That's just not possible unless you had Link using time travel again...Which I doubt...

I would rather Ninty stepped away from music in Zelda XII and go to a rod like that in Oracle of Seasons...
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on June 28, 2004, 09:59:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Burning Excalibur
Well, I could see MAYBE them bumping into one another... What a TWIST THAT WOULD BE! And you never know what musical thing they'll do this time. The Ocarina... the Conducting Baton... what's next? Drums maybe? Or will he listen for music like they predict?

Do i hear another use for the Donkey Konga drums?
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: VideoGamerX on June 28, 2004, 11:54:30 AM
That sounds kind of dumb to have Link bump into an incarnate of himself. I don't really subscribe to their ideas. I think they just made them up. Same time period? Do they know anything about the old Legend of Zeldas? Every game has taken place in seemingly the same time period.

However, if Link were to peer across time and see another Link, it might make sense. And by some chance, if the gap between times were bridged, it might get awfully enteresting.

Maybe we'll have a Temple of Time to go through this time... I think that would be cool. Imagine fighting old bosses.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 12:02:51 PM
"Every game has taken place in seemingly the same time period."

Hmmm?  No they don't...
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Jale on June 28, 2004, 12:05:19 PM
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Originally posted by: VideoGamerX
I think they just made them up.


Hence the fact that they were using fortune cookies to decipher Nintendo.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on June 28, 2004, 12:22:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
This completely goes against the belief that Link appears every 1000-odd years...


Eh, where does it say that?
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 12:41:10 PM
That's why I put "belief," not fact...Wind Waker takes place 1000 years after OoT(yes, the proof is in there), so I'm taking a shortcut and believing that the other games are spaced out that much...At least until I get some proof otherwise...
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Jale on June 28, 2004, 12:44:24 PM
I thought it was 100 years...
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on June 28, 2004, 12:51:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
That's why I put "belief," not fact...Wind Waker takes place 1000 years after OoT(yes, the proof is in there), so I'm taking a shortcut and believing that the other games are spaced out that much...At least until I get some proof otherwise...



While I do believe that WW takes place hundreds of years after OoT, I don't recall it specifically saying 1000 years.

Anyway, what the magazine is saying is that the new game is supposed to star a grown up young Link from OoT. The idea is that he runs into his time traveling self in the future, kind of like how Marty McFly saw himself in the 50s in Back to the Future 2. Not that it really matters, because this is probably just a glorified wish list and not actual rumor.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 12:52:32 PM
Nope, it's most definitely 1000...It's been a while since I played through last, but the proof is in a story sequence...I'll try and play through again sometime this week and look for it

"The idea is that he runs into his time traveling self in the future, kind of like how Marty McFly saw himself in the 50s in Back to the Future 2."

Yeah, that's what I was figuring...But the "analysis" says that Link will freeze time, not go through time...Just something that confused me...  
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on June 28, 2004, 01:06:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Nope, it's most definitely 1000...It's been a while since I played through last, but the proof is in a story sequence...I'll try and play through again sometime this week and look for it


Yes, please do.

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Originally posted by: Bill
Yeah, that's what I was figuring...But the "analysis" says that Link will freeze time, not go through time...Just something that confused me...


Well, the one Link wouldn't actually be time traveling. At the end of OoT Zelda sends Link back in time as a child. What the magazine is saying is that he grows up naturally and in 7 years bumps into his time traveling self.

 
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: nickmitch on June 28, 2004, 08:55:59 PM
I think that Link'll find out that he is a reincarnation of the the ledgendary hero of time and have to try and live up to his destiny. And that one about "great costs" might mean that Link'll will have a dramatic death at the end...


Yes it'll make you cry.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2004, 12:44:39 AM
Does this mean Link will average more than 3 words of dialogue text in this game?  And those words will be other than [insert filename here]?
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Berny on June 29, 2004, 08:54:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill

So you're saying Link would meet up with himself?  That's just not possible unless you had Link using time travel again...Which I doubt...




No no no. I've been thinking about it and it is possible. Okay, Link sealed Ganon away as an adult, but then he went back to live his life as a child. So little Link then takes 7 years to grow up and he very well could run into his adult (although less mature) self which sealed Ganon away. Okay say you go ahead in time (and simultaneously age) exactly one year and stay in the future for a few minutes at the zoo and then go back to the present. If you wait one year and then go to the zoo you will see yourself one year ago at the zoo. Same you, same age, probably less mature, but it's the same Bill we've come to know and love.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: couchmonkey on June 29, 2004, 10:12:37 AM
I once had the idea of a Zelda game that took place in a futuristic world where Link and Zelda had to chase Ganon through time and team up with their ancestors to prevent him from changing the outcome of the games in the past.  Now I'm not so keen on the idea, but I thought it was pretty cool back in the day.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on June 29, 2004, 06:36:08 PM
That sounds like a pretty good idea.

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And that one about "great costs" might mean that Link'll will have a dramatic death at the end...


There goes the Zelda series unless they somehow have something bring Link back to life...
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2004, 07:04:25 PM
Not really...Link isn't one person, but something more like one spirit(meaning that Link's spirit will arise in a new body when it is needed)...But that doesn't mean I believe that Link will be shown to die in Zelda XII...
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2004, 07:26:44 PM
Link's a Buddhist!
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 01, 2004, 07:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Not really...Link isn't one person, but something more like one spirit(meaning that Link's spirit will arise in a new body when it is needed)...But that doesn't mean I believe that Link will be shown to die in Zelda XII...


True.  I thought though that Link in WW was some sort of decendent of the Link in OoT.  Because how it said that the old people (old people ahhahaha) dressed up the kids to be the legendary Link so it must have been in the future of OoT. I dont really know Im just brainstorming.  
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 01, 2004, 08:42:43 PM
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Originally posted by: evil intentions
I thought though that Link in WW was some sort of descendant to the Link in OoT.


Fixed.

Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 02, 2004, 08:03:38 PM
lol ...thanks Gibdo.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: elementc on July 02, 2004, 09:17:29 PM
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: elementc on July 02, 2004, 09:19:41 PM
My opinion on the whole 100 years difference thing is that it is deffinently not enough time for an entire civilization to forget just about every detail about it's past history. What with that whole cataclysmic planet changing flood and all... you'd think that more people would remember something that important over the course of a couple generations. Either that or they had a really bad plague that made people forget everything, or some other bullcrap explanation. I think the best explanation for the timeline is that Miyamoto doesn't care. It's as simple as that.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 03, 2004, 12:48:52 AM
More than likely the 100 year thing was just a translation error. The game makes it clear that a lot more time passed than that.

I would agree with you that Miyamoto doesn't really care about the story line. Aonuma, on the other hand, has promised a couple of times in recent interviews that he is going to try and straighten things out.

 
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Shecky on July 03, 2004, 05:50:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
I would agree with you that Miyamoto doesn't really care about the story line. Aonuma, on the other hand, has promised a couple of times in recent interviews that he is going to try and straighten things out.


Bah.... hopefully that was just to get the hounds off his back.  More than likely though, this will just be more suttle clues like "it's more than one hero" (they'll never used the word Link b/c you can name the hero whatever you want)

Like I stated in my last post... people care way to much about some kind of coheirent story arcross the games.

Hmmm, lets see.....

Zelda 1 comes out... You have to obtain the 2 pieces of the triforce!
Public.... umm doesn't tri- mean 3
Zelda team.... Ummmm yeah, see there's this 3rd pillar^H^H^H^H^H triforce of courage.
Zelda 2 comes out... Get that triforce of courage!

That was an easy enough fix... now try doing it across 10+ games.  Bleh.... Ugly... Just stick with a good story for the current game.

-Shecky

PS:  Lttp pretty much hammered out the story of the series, that's when they got serious and laid out the ground principles, 3 triforce pieces, master sword, etc.  that's all you really need.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Shecky on July 03, 2004, 06:12:44 AM
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Originally posted by: elementc
My opinion on the whole 100 years difference thing is that it is deffinently not enough time for an entire civilization to forget just about every detail about it's past history. What with that whole cataclysmic planet changing flood and all... you'd think that more people would remember something that important over the course of a couple generations. Either that or they had a really bad plague that made people forget everything, or some other bullcrap explanation. I think the best explanation for the timeline is that Miyamoto doesn't care. It's as simple as that.


Good post elementc....

Yeah they might not have meant 100, probably higher.  They even say many generations...  Maybe Links grandma know more than she's letting on

So good example: If Nintendo wanted to make the whole thing make sense, how would you 'fix' this?
Do you:
a) Just make "100 yrs" some larger value when referenced in a future game
b) Publish a Hyrule errata
c) Make up some other bullcrap explanation
d) Just drop it and move on, letting people use there imagination to go into whatever detail they want ... and make endless threads in message boards on the subject
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 03, 2004, 06:28:04 AM
I think that the time difference between Wind Waker and OoT is sufficiently large.  I used to think that was not enough time at all.  But when you think about it. . . the world flooded in the matter of a day or two, probably.  The few people who made it to mountaintops probably couldn't manage to bring very much with them, just a the necessary provisions.  Most of the history of the world would be lost right then: everything written down and documented.  Memory only works so well.  People tend to remember only certain things, mostly things concerning them and big events like Link saving the world.  Also, some facts distort over time (though I can't think of any distorted histories in WW).  Anyway, point is that what the people could have brought with them, a few possessions and their memories, is about as much as would be needed to have the legends they had in the new Link's time.
Think from 2000 back to 1900.  That's a long time.  Even for a world that documents everything that happens incredibly well, you probably don't know that much.  It just so happens that the Wind Waker world is incapable of knowing even that much.
The only flaw in my reasoning that I noticed was that people live too long.  Link's grandmother was probably born not too long after the flood, if 100 years is the time period.  I'd say 200 would be more reasonable in that case.  One thousand might actually be overdoing it.  Think: 2000 all the way back to freaking 1000.  They wouldn't even dress their boys in green anymore.  The custom would have been forgotten or outgrown.
Yup.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Berny on July 03, 2004, 07:42:49 AM
I'm pretty sure the 100 year theory was disproven already. Someone said that was wrong in an interview. It must have been a VERY long time since OOT because the Zoras had time to evolve into the Rito. Unless that's one of those overnight things like butterflies or goats.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: elementc on July 03, 2004, 02:15:27 PM
1000 years was just an example. Who says they didn't write down as much as possible after the flood anyway?! Like I said before though, it doesn't really matter what we think... let's just forget about it for now and wait until the next game. If crap doesn't get straightened out by that time... everyone who wants to know the details should flood Nintendo with letters. Who knows, maybe it could work.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 03, 2004, 08:55:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Berny
I'm pretty sure the 100 year theory was disproven already. Someone said that was wrong in an interview. It must have been a VERY long time since OOT because the Zoras had time to evolve into the Rito. Unless that's one of those overnight things like butterflies or goats.


Are you really sure the Zora evolved into Rito though?
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 04, 2004, 05:20:18 AM
Yes, they did...*points at Laruto scene*
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Jale on July 04, 2004, 10:28:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Berny
I'm pretty sure the 100 year theory was disproven already. Someone said that was wrong in an interview. It must have been a VERY long time since OOT because the Zoras had time to evolve into the Rito. Unless that's one of those overnight things like butterflies or goats.


Ahh that's where one of my theories comes in.

Remember back in OoT When you had to get scales to dive? I think those scales are from Lord Jabu Jabu, whom the Zoras protect.
In WW the Rito have to get a scale from Valoo in order to grow wings. My theory is that the Zoras are a race destined to be the guardians of the Gods and the Gods that they guard give them some of their powers. They also change their form to reflect the power of the God. Therefore the Zoras could have become the Rito in a few years, even perhaps instantaneously.

This would allow Nintendo to add new races and gods and just make them manifestations of the Guardians.

Oh yeh and about the history...

Hyrule is hardly an advanced society. People don't keep records when they have better things to do. People busy survivng an apocolypse are not likely to make copies of lost books. Information is lost. People move on in ignorance.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 04, 2004, 09:20:37 PM
Did it ever show what happened to the Gorons?
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 04, 2004, 09:43:31 PM
Considering that Gorons don't like water, I think it's quite obvious why they disappeared...
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Caillan on July 05, 2004, 01:27:29 AM
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Did it ever show what happened to the Gorons?


The traveling mercahnts in WW are Gorons. If you use the deku leaf on them, their hood will blow back, revealing a Goron.

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Are you really sure the Zora evolved into Rito though?


Yup, the series is, AFAIK, meant to be a myth or legend (hence the 'legend' in the title), and therefore ridiculous things can happen. The Zora couldn't evolve into Rito in 100 or 1000 years, but the Rito would be physically unable to fly if they existed anyway. Hookshots wouldn't work, either, neither would the ice arrows. The series is based so much on myth, surely it's a little ridiculous to be trying to make sense of the storyline?
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Jale on July 05, 2004, 06:51:21 AM
Yeh but I'm jsut saying they may have been changed by the will of the Gods.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: GaimeGuy on July 06, 2004, 02:31:17 PM
Not to mention that with all that water, the Zora wouldn't have any reason to evolve into flying creatures....
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 06, 2004, 02:32:52 PM
If you paid attention at all during the game, you'd know that the water was "poisoned"...Ever wonder why only monsters live in it? =P
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 06, 2004, 02:51:55 PM
Hey Bill, did you find a qoute or anything in WW about the 1,000 year thing yet?

Also, are you AQUA over at the ZHQ forums?
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 06, 2004, 03:55:37 PM
I just started the game today

And no, I'm not...Do I seem similar? =|

(edit: WTF!?  Aqua's been taking PGC quotes and putting them in their sig there...The pietriots are not amused >=(

Aqua's profile

Anyone care for an explanation? =\
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 06, 2004, 04:03:08 PM
>=| we most certainly are not amused. ESPECIALLY HOW YOU BUTCHERED THE QUOTE HARFGHHJGJ.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 06, 2004, 04:03:45 PM
Cause the guy posted the exact same thing you did about the 1,000 year thing.

Check it out here. It should be the last post. Really weird.  He could have at least put it in his own words instead of copying and pasting it.  
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 06, 2004, 05:11:58 PM
Yeah, really...I've joined the boards there and asked who he is...I am anxiously awaiting a response... -___-
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 06, 2004, 05:15:17 PM
I bet he's g@y for you.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 06, 2004, 05:19:01 PM
Too bad I don't respect those trying to be me...
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 06, 2004, 05:22:07 PM
everyone in this thread is a suspect.
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 06, 2004, 05:26:07 PM
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Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
everyone in this thread is a suspect.


>_>

<_<


Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 06, 2004, 08:04:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
If you paid attention at all during the game, you'd know that the water was "poisoned"...Ever wonder why only monsters live in it? =P


I know I'm probably going to sound like a dumbut asking this but, exactly how did the water become poisoned?

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I bet he's g@y for you.


Eww we don't need that kind of fowl language in here.

Edit: I just created a name on that forum...dun dun dun....evil intentions.

Edit2:I decided that creating the name was pointless, as I have nothing to do with patriots.
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: DrZoidberg on July 07, 2004, 03:36:06 AM
PIETRIOTS kfskgfdshgjs
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Gibdo Master on July 07, 2004, 06:06:17 AM
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I bet he's g@y for you.


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Originally posted by: evil intentions
Eww we don't need that kind of fowl language in here.


Homophobic?

Besides, I was only joking with Bill.  
Title: RE: Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 07, 2004, 07:38:26 AM
Oh, you were?

Hehe, but yeah, I got a pm back from AQUA stating, "Errr who are you?" and he had changed his sig... :\

(edit:  Ok, AQUA is a Star Wars fan, likes Harry Potter, his favorite anime is Cowboy Bebop, and is a regular at PGC...He owes me a massage for this...)
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: redlink9 on July 07, 2004, 08:57:05 AM
hi,I'm from zhq and came to tell you,almost every link in a game is usauly different,the only one that has the same link is the ww,ww2and the other is Oot,MM.sorry if it dissapoites you but it is the truth.  
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: evil intentions on July 07, 2004, 09:04:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
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I bet he's g@y for you.


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Originally posted by: evil intentions
Eww we don't need that kind of fowl language in here.


Homophobic?

Besides, I was only joking with Bill.


And I was joking back...

So Bill's turning into a stalker now?

Oh yes, I'm sorry for not spelling "pietriots" right, Dr. Zoidberg...don't ban me!!
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 07, 2004, 09:51:40 AM
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Originally posted by: redlink9
hi,I'm from zhq and came to tell you,almost every link in a game is usauly different,the only one that has the same link is the ww,ww2and the other is Oot,MM.sorry if it dissapoites you but it is the truth.

First of all, we don't really know if Zelda XII contains the same Link as in WW, though it's expected...Also, not only are the Links from OoT and MM the same, but also the Links from LoZ and AoL are the same, and also the Links from LttP and LA...

And find out who AQUA is for me...I'd appreciate it...
Title: RE:Possible Rumors Regarding the Next Zelda
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2004, 06:53:06 PM
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Originally posted by: redlink9
hi,I'm from zhq and came to tell you,almost every link in a game is usauly different,the only one that has the same link is the ww,ww2and the other is Oot,MM.sorry if it dissapoites you but it is the truth.

THX 4 THE INFO