Post by: Forte on June 22, 2004, 08:54:34 PM
I personally LOATHE any shape, color, size, and form of those stupid hands. You know, anything related to Wallmasters and the ones with the arms in Majora's Mask and Wind Waker(I keep forgetting the names of those...I think it's like Dex something). Anyway, yeah, hands in every Zelda game ever. Just get rid of them!
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2004, 06:30:46 AM
My personal choice would have to be Peahats, at least in the 2d games...Everytime I walk into a screen with Peahats I scramble towards them swinging my sword hoping to kill them before they go on their invincible flight path around the screen...This results in me screaming mercy as I dodge them...
Post by: Chode2234 on June 23, 2004, 06:45:58 AM
Post by: Forte on June 23, 2004, 07:09:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2004, 07:23:01 AM
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I hate those annoying things in the Zora river in OOT, the ones that blow the nuts at you. Not that they are deadly or even hard to get rid of if you needed to, they are just annoying when you are running around with a chicken trying to do your thing and they mess it all up and you have to go grab the chicken out of the water.... you get the idea.
Those are Octoroks, the only Zelda enemy that's been in every game so far...
And I think the Miniblins are funny...They sounded cute and were fun to smash with the Never Happening Hammer... ^_^
Post by: Chode2234 on June 23, 2004, 10:21:38 AM
Do I need to start a new post for that ?
Post by: Jale on June 23, 2004, 10:42:18 AM
Also Gyorgs (those sharks) are very annoying because when you're sailing along you have to stop just to hit this thing twice.
Post by: evil intentions on June 23, 2004, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: Berny on June 23, 2004, 11:15:41 AM
Hmm...most annoying baddie? Odalwa in MM was pretty creepy. So were the giants for that matter. They were like faces with legs. I dunno. Odalwa was still pretty cool for a boss. I'm really not that annoyed by any moster in particular. Wait, does Tingle count?
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2004, 12:09:27 PM
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Don't tell Gibdo Master that, evil intentions.
The Gibdos in OoT don't count...Those are just Redeads cosplaying as mummies...
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 23, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
Redeads always scare the hell out of me. In OoT, the screaming and freezing scared me, so whenever I saw them I freaked out. I nearly pissed myself when I happened across a hole in Kakariko Village and some zombies were sitting down there.
And in WW, I'm going through the underground of the Cabana, and I see this silhouette of this person and I'm like "Hey, what're you doing down here?" and suddenly there's screaming and a huge evil mouth and fiery red eyes and its on my back and munching on my head and I am scared as a horse in a glue factory, cept more.
But keese are pretty annoying.
Post by: evil intentions on June 23, 2004, 06:58:28 PM
Post by: Chode2234 on June 24, 2004, 04:51:02 AM
That got annoying.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 24, 2004, 09:24:53 AM
Post by: evil intentions on June 24, 2004, 01:12:57 PM
I hated those flying skulls. Especially before you got the arrows in the temple of the gods.
Post by: Jale on June 24, 2004, 09:35:09 PM
Like-likes are annoying. Especially if they drop from the ceiling on top of you.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 25, 2004, 03:38:32 AM
And there's always some enemy that's really annoying until you get a certain weapon, like the Bubbles and the Peahats. I remember in Link's Awakening, in the fifth level where you got the hookshot there were these enemies with metal masks, and they were a pain to kill.
Post by: Chode2234 on June 25, 2004, 04:29:45 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2004, 04:38:47 AM
Those annoying masked foes are Hiploops...
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 25, 2004, 05:48:41 AM
Because in OoT you could Z target, and in WW there was the Nintendo Gallery, but as far as I know the only enemy names you could find in the early games were the few enemies they sometimes put in the instruction booklet.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2004, 06:29:56 AM
Post by: Chode2234 on June 25, 2004, 06:59:55 AM
Is it really that important what they're called?
Is it me or did the skeletons outside in hyrule field at night remind me of the skeleton koopa troopas from mario world?
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2004, 07:05:34 AM
Aha, it probably doesn't make that big of a difference to the average gamer, but I'm a Zelda vet so it matters to me... ^_~
Post by: Chode2234 on June 25, 2004, 07:12:27 AM
Post by: evil intentions on June 25, 2004, 09:21:51 AM
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Yeah I never bothered with the Nintendo gallery as it seemed a lot of work for not much, kinda like the last half of the game.
Is it really that important what they're called?
Is it me or did the skeletons outside in hyrule field at night remind me of the skeleton koopa troopas from mario world?
I love doing the Nintendo Gallery. I don't know why but it's just so much fun.
Ahahaha, skeletin koopa troopas? To me they look like human skeletins...
Post by: Jale on June 25, 2004, 09:28:29 AM
They annoyed me too.
Post by: Berny on June 25, 2004, 09:58:09 AM
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I love doing the Nintendo Gallery. I don't know why but it's just so much fun.
I don't know why but I feel compelled to beat my games 100% so I finished the Nintendo Gallery too. It was so much fun. My favorite statue was the Crab. ^_^
Post by: theRPGFreak on June 25, 2004, 11:46:22 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 25, 2004, 11:51:56 AM
The Nintendo Gallery has names, cool statues, interesting comments, and good descriptions. I consider it more than worth it.
Post by: Shecky on June 25, 2004, 01:48:29 PM
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I had lots of fun doing the Nintendo Gallery, though it did require me to play the game all over again. Which was fine with me. I still just flip Wind Waker on to go check out the old Gallery. Fond memories.
The Nintendo Gallery has names, cool statues, interesting comments, and good descriptions. I consider it more than worth it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember being able to hand the developer only one photo at a time, having to wait x number of nights, and then develop another photo. Why couldn't I just hand him the whole roll? Heck, I'd even throw in 500 Rup. Instead I remember having to pop in and out to get my 3 pics developed -- That is what I would call *annoying* if you ask me.
As for annoying enemies?
Wizzrobe in LoZ, especially when you throw a bunch of them in a room with Like-Likes and Bubbles...
Post by: elementc on June 26, 2004, 08:53:05 PM
Stalfos at the end of the light templeish corridor with the coffins in Ganon's Tower. MY GOD!! Go through the whole mess once, then at the end the ****** pops out right in front of the stairs, thus causing a complete do over!!
Annoying Enemy Numero Uno
Wallmasters/Floormasters : The last thing I want to do is start over in a dungeon.
Post by: Link_Up on July 09, 2004, 09:08:17 AM
For those who still don't know who i'm talking about (you morons): he's the first dungeon boss in Link's Awakening, the third boss in A Link to the Past, and the third form of puppet Ganon from the Wind Waker. I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate this guy, 'cause you HAVE to defeat him if you want to continue the game, and this is especially annoying in LA and ALttP, 'cause you're still very weak if you fight him and he can push you off the room from the edge and then you have do do it all over again. I wanna take my Narsil sword and smash the snot outta Molgera, but if I do that my tv is broke...
And yes, Peahats are verrrry nasty as well, but they follow the same pattern over and over, so just evade 'em and hit 'em when they land, then you should be ok.
Post by: salvorhardin on July 10, 2004, 08:05:08 PM
The most annoying are the wallmasters/floormasters since when you think you are ready to kill them they grab you before you can hit them.
Post by: Zach on July 12, 2004, 09:57:49 AM
I think overall though the wallmasters/floormasters were the worst.
Post by: Jale on July 12, 2004, 10:12:03 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 10:24:05 AM
For those who still don't know who i'm talking about (you morons): he's the first dungeon boss in Link's Awakening, the third boss in A Link to the Past
Silly Zelda newb, Molgera is the boss of the Wind Temple in Wind Waker...The worm that you are talking about is Moldorm...
And he's in Four Swords Adventure, so I recommend you check it out...
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 11:05:37 AM
(now don't you be calling me a newbie, i've got all the Zelda's that ever came out, from Zelda and Link's adventure for the NES, to the Windwaker and the Collector's edition for the Gamecube. And about Four swords, i've got A link to the Past on my SNES, so buying the GBA-version is a bit useless, 'cause i'm not gonna spend all that money just on 4 swords...)
How about we forget this little mistake, or else i'll get Shigeru Miyamoto mad...
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 11:08:30 AM
No, Four Swords Adventure is the all-new GC game! Not the GBA LttP version!
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 11:20:18 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 11:25:42 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 11:30:22 AM
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 11:32:07 AM
And, um, Bill, mind if i add u to my MSN messenger-list? I'd like to talk to u 1 on 1, that's easier.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 12:05:36 PM
*doesn't mind extra MSN peoples*
Post by: Link_Up on July 12, 2004, 12:37:49 PM
Post by: Zach on July 12, 2004, 03:25:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
No, Four Swords Adventure is the all-new GC game! Not the GBA LttP version!
If I remember right, four swords was also on the GBA LttP. It was like two games in one
Edit: I just looked and Four swords is on the GBA LttP game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2004, 03:38:48 PM
Post by: Zach on July 12, 2004, 03:47:50 PM
Post by: Mumei on July 12, 2004, 03:49:50 PM
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But the version included in the LttP port was just called Four Swords...The GC version is called Four Swords Adventures...
How different is it? I have Four Swords Adventures, but I can't tell my friend whether it is still worth getting if he already has Four Swords... So what are the important differences between the two?
Post by: Zach on July 12, 2004, 03:55:04 PM
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Post by: Dizzy on July 13, 2004, 06:08:34 AM
Post by: Link_Up on July 13, 2004, 08:19:28 AM
And something else, those Wall/Floormasters aren't THAT bad. Sure it's annoying if you get put back right in front of the entrance of a temple/dungeon, but be glad your progress up to that point is saved. If i had to hit Moldorm 1 more time and i got pushed off, i'd love it if i just had to go back up and hit him 1 more time... But noooooooooooo...
Post by: evil intentions on July 13, 2004, 07:46:21 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 13, 2004, 09:14:38 PM
Post by: evil intentions on July 14, 2004, 08:37:24 AM
Sorry Bill
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Post by: Link_Up on July 16, 2004, 06:18:44 AM
.So i guess you should listen to the NPC's more often, the're not always mindless idiots
Post by: evil intentions on July 16, 2004, 10:53:38 AM
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Post by: Syl on July 17, 2004, 09:27:45 PM
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GRRR, listen! Molgera is the boss of the Wind Temple...Moldorm is the boss of Hera's Tower in LttP, Tail Cave in LA, etc...
Isn't it also, you know, TwinMold(orm) in the final dungeon of majoras mask?
Most annoying zelda enemy.. hm.. they rarely are annoying to me. I have a few things that i dislike, (Flying enemies, keese, crows etc. in the 3d zelda games) but, i suppose Like Likes are really a pain, they seem so hard to get away from and you generally end up losing something important to them. Wizrobes are also a major pain...
Iron Knuckles are my favorite enemies though. I just love fighting those things.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 17, 2004, 09:45:03 PM
Twinmold is not only found in MM, but also the tiny versions that you use as switch holders in Wind Waker...
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 17, 2004, 10:00:10 PM
Darknuts from the original loZ pissed me off all the time, too, especially the blue ones, since you had to $%&@ing hit them from the side.
Like Likes never get on my nerves that much, except in the original LoZ when they would take your shield without you realizing it, leaving you wondering why you can't block these Wizrobe blasts when you could before.
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Iron Knuckles are my favorite enemies though. I just love fighting those things.
I completely agree- they were just so much fun to fight, I couldn't get enough of them. The Knuckle Knights in WW were almost as cool, but not quite, although being able to pick up their swords pretty much made up for it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 05:33:09 AM
Post by: Syl on July 18, 2004, 08:03:48 AM
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Twinmold is twinmold, not Moldorm...Twinmold's weakness is it's eye, while Moldorm's weakness is it's tail...
Twinmold is not only found in MM, but also the tiny versions that you use as switch holders in Wind Waker...
Twinmolds Tail is also a weekpoint, i'm sure of it. I haven't got that far in my current majoras mask game (i'm still at the 3rd dungeon) but i remember having to aim for the tail whenever i decided to try and kill the thing without using giants mask. Both the Tail AND the head are weakpoints.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 08:06:19 AM
Post by: Smashman on July 18, 2004, 11:14:44 AM
The snot-nosed kid from WW still takes the cake...
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 11:47:14 AM
And it's not due to ingame content either...I loved the Anju/Kafei sidequest, and would love to see a variation of it in Zelda XII...I loved the story, the characters, the ingenious mask idea...What I didn't like was that it was timed, and that piece alone puts it farther down on my list of games...
Post by: Jale on July 18, 2004, 01:48:05 PM
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on July 18, 2004, 04:17:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 04:27:47 PM
No, it's gameplay taste...I simply DO NOT LIKE TIMED GAMES! It's also a reason why I don't like the first Pikmin...Great idea, but it's timed...
"It's an excuse not to play the game."
Errr...Maybe if I wasn't a Zelda fan... =P
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 18, 2004, 04:43:23 PM
You're in the exact same predicament I was with Baten Kaitos, except I'm actually going to give that game a shot.Suit yourself, Bill, but in my opinion Majora's Mask is the second best game ever made, second only to Ocarina of Time. Your loss.
Post by: Mumei on July 18, 2004, 07:20:27 PM
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"You shouldn't let the simple notion off a time limit ruin the experience- that's just plain stupidity."
No, it's gameplay taste...I simply DO NOT LIKE TIMED GAMES! It's also a reason why I don't like the first Pikmin...Great idea, but it's timed...
"It's an excuse not to play the game."
Errr...Maybe if I wasn't a Zelda fan... =P
If I remember correctly, the second Pikmin game isn't timed... I seem to remember hearing about that >_>.
And did you at least play MM enough to get the Fierce Diety Mask? That was so much fun ^_^.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 07:47:25 PM
But I plan to go against my "hatred against timed games" someday so I can at least finish the game once...
(Pikmin 2 isn't timed, which is why I'm buying it ^_^)
Post by: Syl on July 18, 2004, 08:21:05 PM
Likewise, I don't understand the point of not liking timed games, i personally love them, gives me a deadline that i have to finish things by so i have a sense of urgency and therefore have to plan better. Espicially if they throw random elements at me.
Oh, wait, you hate random stuff too (another thing i absolutely love). You like having too much control man, sometimes control over every element takes so much away from the atmosphere....
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2004, 08:30:29 PM
It can be in any game, just not my Zelda...
And how control could take away from the atmosphere is beyond me... :\
Post by: Mumei on July 18, 2004, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: Forte on July 19, 2004, 01:06:12 AM
Post by: Syl on July 19, 2004, 05:31:50 AM
I'll juse majoras mask as an example, as the game has one of the best atmospheres of any game I've ever played, likewise, I was playing through the game all last week, so that its still fresh on the brain. (I get tales today though! w00t!)
The 3 day time limit is made obvious throughout the whole game, earlier during the 3 days, people just ignore the moon hanging in the sky, the music in town is cheerful and happy, people just carry on with their normal lives. However, as time goes on, the town music changes to become a little bit more frantic, and people start worrying about the moon thats about to hit them, Theres an argument in the mayors office about making people evacuate the town, certain people realize that nothing good is going to happen.
Then, on the night of the final day, the town is basicly barren except for a few select people, they're incredibly worried about the moon thats about to fall straight down on the town, the music is incredibly depressing and omninous, and it seems as though all has failed. Of course, the issue is that all *HAS* failed if you haven't beat the game yet, so you have no choice but to repeat time, and hope to get things right next time.
I didn't mind having to "talk to everyone over again" because I rarely do so, you have to choose what your doing those 3 days and stick to it, you can't save everyone. I liked that, kept the atmosphere higher, if you wanted to help someone, you had the chance, but not everyone can be helped. Sure, the fact that you had to go and repeat a boss battle to save the land every single 3 days was a little taxing, but luckily the warp makes it much more manageable, and i really enjoyed all the boss fights with the exception of the damn fish.
The people in majoras mask change what they say depending on what day it is, they have certain actions depending on certain times, and were generally just far more *alive* than they were in any other zelda game. The reason for this is because of the forced time system the game had, it allowed the atmosphere of the game to keep getting thicker and thicker as the crisis was about to befall the town. Windwaker failed to have that atmosphere, so did OOT, because nothing seemed that rushed, that important, sure, ganon may rule the world. but you can happily go and wait another few years before you have to fix it. In Majoras Mask, if you sat around and don't get things done, the world is doomed. How do you know its doomed? You can see the signs all around you, the music, the people, the gigantic moon staring down at you that stretches all the way across the horizon. It slowly gets closer, closer.... and then if you don't reset everything, you see it hit the town, and wipe out everyone.
Even in Pikmin, the 30 day limit (far more than enough in my mind, i tend to beat the game before day 20) was just a slight sense of urgency, however, the 15 minute daily limit forced you to worry about what you can possibly do with your pikmin and get done before the time is gone. When its approaching night-time, right before the 10 second counter shows up, you start getting worried about getting all of your pikmin back to the ship in time. Part of the reason your so worried about the little guys is because of the cuteness miyamoto shoved into them, and you don't want to lose a single one. If there was no time limit, you wouldn't have to do the mad dash back to the onions at the end of every day, and your emotional attachment to the little devils wouldn't be nearly as strong.
Having control over every single element of a game tends to remove some of the atmosphere, In Most RPG's, despite everything you do, you still end up failing the mission before you accomplish it, however, the sense of urgency and demise just isn't there because you know that, regardless of the meteor thats about to hit the planet, or the fact that theres some sort of god on the loose that wants to destroy everything... you have as long as you want to go and catch butterflies to try and get that final weapon. Stuff like that, while keeping the gameplay better, does completely destroy the *omg were all gonna die* atmosphere, hell, most people in the game won't even notice that theres some gigantic being right outside their hometown, and just carry on like nothing has happened.
Post by: Mumei on July 19, 2004, 07:45:19 AM
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the game has one of the best atmospheres of any game I've ever played
I know... I loved the atmosphere that MM had 8).
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Post by: Caillan on July 22, 2004, 12:22:25 AM
Well, I think I've ranted a few times about my love for MM on this board, so I won't go too off-topic again, I'll just say that to me, the 3 day limmit added more than it detracted. Syl has already managed to articulate my feelings regarding the limmit in more detail.
