Post by: mouse_clicker on June 13, 2004, 04:28:45 PM
Post by: Berny on June 13, 2004, 04:42:22 PM
EDIT: Mkay, "A FRIEND" explained winamp to me. Your problem can easily be solved. As suspected your problem is PCI (Personal Computer Iterosisisisisisisis) You need to throw it away immediately, buy a Mac and have fun with iTunes which organizes your music however you want. I'll take a screenshot if you like.
Post by: Molobert on June 13, 2004, 06:44:41 PM
Or keep your PC and download the PC version
Post by: Shift Key on June 14, 2004, 04:06:09 AM
I've always had folders for each artist, and then folders within for each album. Using CDex allows me to do that by default. Individual playlists? Bleh, I have one supersized one and just jump and enqueue whenever I feel.
That and Media Library is a heap of garbage. Rescan folders? Get nicked I say. The only feature I like from that is the "Most Played" list, the rest of it is just trimmings. Oh well.
Winamp Free + CDex is the system I'd recommend for encoding CDs to MP3. Have a look at it here because I can't recommend it highly enough.
EDIT: One of the features of CDex I did not know of is to "Create PLS and M3U playlist files" so if you decide to abandon the mess and start afresh, CDex can help you with your playlist fetishes also, mouse
Post by: Berny on June 14, 2004, 05:00:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Molobert
"buy a Mac and have fun with iTunes"
Or keep your PC and download the PC version
Okay, I didn't know until yesterday that there WAS a PC version. But since there is that will have to suffice. But buy a Mac!
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on June 14, 2004, 06:16:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Berny
You need to throw it away immediately, buy a Mac and have fun with iTunes which organizes your music however you want. I'll take a screenshot if you like.
I'd like to discourage this kind of posting
Post by: Berny on June 14, 2004, 02:07:29 PM
(Fine, no screenshot.
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Post by: Famicom on June 14, 2004, 02:32:41 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 14, 2004, 06:52:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Berny
What, pro-Mac posting? Nevar! I'll break TEH RULZ!
(Fine, no screenshot.
LMAO! Man, you seem to have picked up right where I left off. That's a totally awesome response.
But that being said, I very much dislike the lack of expansion possible with iTunes. I play music regularly in about 10 different file formats. iTunes is great if all you listen to is AC3, MP3, and CDA... but I just find that cutting off other music types akin to blowing away half your foot.
Plus, I just like the simplicity and speed of Winamp. iTunes doesn't hold a candle to it in those terms. Since you are a Mac user, of course you can't use Winamp itself. But since Mac OS X is very close to *NIX systems, you might want to try out XMMS sometime. It's not as full featured as Winamp, and it's a fair bit slower, but I think that it would at least give you some grounds upon which to rag on Winamp, if you so chose. =P
http://www.macosxapps.com/article.php?story=20010824090429860
You can find it there.
Post by: Berny on June 14, 2004, 07:03:43 PM
And if I REALLY wanted to try out this.... winamp, I could get Virtual PC. But I would never so profane my precious (i)pooter.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2004, 02:49:05 PM
Man, I still can't believe it actually. There are 2 Windows programs that are ALWAYS installed first thing on a reformat of Windows. One of them is Winamp 2.xx, and the other is Mozilla Firefox. A distant third would be Trillian Pro. You insulted one of the most universally accepted GOOD Windows programs, and I cheered you on.
What's this world coming to? Man, I tell ya. If I was just a little bit younger, I would have scalped you and eaten your entrails for breakfast. Now, here I am about ready to hug you for taking up the software fanaticism where I left off.
Where the hell is my rascal? I have to go throw bread at the pigeons and yell at the kids in the park.But yeah, keep up the good work mate.
Post by: Shift Key on June 15, 2004, 04:24:07 PM
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And that's BEFORE I tell them that I quit drinking.
*falls off chair in surprise* HUH?
Post by: Syl on June 15, 2004, 05:10:22 PM
Of course, I have a single winamp playlist over a thousand songs long and i don't mind scrolling up or down to find everything, but its all alphabetical for the most part anyway.
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 15, 2004, 06:05:40 PM
I have a playlist for each CD/album I have on my computer. The problem is, though, I have over 130 albums on my computer, and with a playlist for each one of those my Winamp media library is quite cluttered. What I would like is to make a folder to store my playlists- ideally I'd like to organize my media library by band, having a folder for each band and have the folders contain the individual playlists for the albums.
Post by: Syl on June 15, 2004, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: Shift Key on June 15, 2004, 11:49:05 PM
Post by: Berny on June 16, 2004, 09:38:29 AM
But worry not. I shall continue to fight the good fight for all that is soft, ware, and good.Speaking of which....Mouse. iTunes. Smart Playlist. Do it. Be happy. I thought I explained this, but I'm willing to hand draw pictures of what menus to open to make a smart playlist since SUPER obviously doesn't want me posting screens. :/ I'm not guaranteeing GOOD hand drawn pictures or even pictures that look remotely like iTunes, but I will draw them.
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 16, 2004, 10:01:36 AM
Grey Ninja suggested writing a script to make shortcuts to all my playlists and organize them into folders, which would work great, but I don't know enough programming to do that.
Post by: Berny on June 16, 2004, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 16, 2004, 03:42:34 PM
To Berny. We all don't like Macs. WinAmp is the best tool for me for music. It's very customizable. There are soo many skins, so no matter what you can have the colors fit your desktop. Always a must for me. The plug-ins for it are amazing, and there are just SOO many. The Visualization Center is an awesome tool where you can DL tons, or they even let you make your own. It's also a good program for watching videos, though I use my WMP and DivX more. I read someone said when they format their computer, thats the first tool they put on with a few others. Well, the same 3 tools they said are the same I install when I reinstall Windows. Mac is an awesome computer for Video and Music, but when it comes to Windows... WinAmp beats any program hands down. So maybe you need to do your own organizing.. but if you have your own personal computer, you should have it organized anyways.
Post by: Berny on June 16, 2004, 04:29:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Metaphysical Spirit
We all don't like Macs. ... Mac is an awesome computer for Video and Music, but when it comes to Windows... WinAmp beats any program hands down. So maybe you need to do your own organizing.. but if you have your own personal computer, you should have it organized anyways.
I am aware that "we all don't like Macs." That is why I am so "openly Mac" with everyone. ^_^ I would never trade in my Mac for a PC. I'm sure Winamp is fine, but I'm still gonna give you 73h 5h17 for owning a PC. I'm just cool like that.
Although I believe the Mac equivalent of Winamp in that it plays EVERY freaking file type in existence (other than Ninja's XMMS of course ) would be VLC. Don't know what that stands for but if you have a Mac you should get it. I got it when Quicktime of all apps stopped playing avi movies. Yeah, so that sucked. ANYWAYS, that is enough Berny Banter for today. Hope you enjoyed.
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 16, 2004, 06:35:57 PM
Post by: Berny on June 16, 2004, 07:09:35 PM
And yes, Macs are VERY convenient in that respect and MANY others.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 16, 2004, 07:35:09 PM
http://people.uleth.ca/~dave.brady/screenshot.png
Winamp.
I think what you really fail to understand is the entirely different concepts between iTunes and Winamp. Winamp was truly the work of a single man. A classic old school hacker employed by AOL. Like all good programmers, he believed in svelt simplistic code, and blazingly fast results. His pinnacle of creation was Winamp. Quite nearly the ultimate piece of software from a programming perspective. (And Firefox is closing in on it, as it is programmed with the EXACT SAME style...)
When it ships, it plays all the basic media types that you might expect a music player to play. But it has a powerful extension API, so a clever programmer can extend it to do pretty much whatever he/she wishes. And given the userbase of Winamp... there are a LOT of programmers interested in doing just that. There are plugins to control a blinking array of LEDs, control floodlights, and hell, there's even plugins to make the lights on your keyboard blink in time with the music.
But personally, what I like most about Winamp is the wide array of music input plugins that there are. If it's a music file of some sort, there IS a Winamp plugin to play it. It's really that simple.
By the way... the tracks you see in Winamp there are PSFs. They aren't mini PSFs, so they are larger than they need be. But the entire soundtrack is about 2 and a half hours long. (But you can change the length of the songs arbitrarily as you see fit, without adjusting file size). Total size on my hard drive is 13.7MB (unzipped... which they honestly don't need to be)
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But that being said... If Apple were to port Mac OS X to PC, I might just jump ship anyways. Mac OS X is about the most desktop friendly *NIX distro that there is. The problem I have is that if I move to a Mac for real, I am trapped in the architecture that Apple wants me to have. Now this is kind of the dual edged swords that Macs have to bear. On the one hand, knowing what sort of hardware is going to be in the computer allows Macs to optimize things almost to the point of a Mac being more akin to a console than a PC. But on the other hand, it is intended to be a general purpose computer. Not allowing users to fully customize their rigs is a huge turnoff to a lot of PC users (myself included). With my PC specs... I have trouble even getting Linux running.
But seriously, try out XMMS sometime. It's the *NIX version of Winamp. It's halfways compatible with Winamp... it uses Winamp 2.xx skins (as in the one in the screenshot above), but as *NIX variants don't use DLLs, the plugin system is completely different. Nevertheless, plugins for the more common music formats are easy to come by.
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 17, 2004, 03:00:54 AM
On a second note.. The new Apple's are very powerful machines. The G5s are an awesome tool. Though Intel right now is working on Artifial Diamond Proccesors. Since the silicion can only reach the max heat of around 110 degrees... That is our biggest problem. In the next 5-7 years, the compitition between Mac and PCs will be an amazing thing to watch. I can honestly say I can't wait to see what comes next. The stability of a Mac is just awesome too.
Anywho, back to the topic. To just get everything in a nutshell. WinAmp is just one of those programs that EVERY PC owner makes sure they have on their computer. Even people who know nothing about computers use WinAmp. Heh, Grey Ninja was right about WinAmp too about how simple the code is, and yet how universal it can be to be edited with. I have this awesome skin called MMD3 and the things you can with it for just being a skin is awesome. I like the Light Up LEDs. =0)
Post by: Berny on June 17, 2004, 02:07:47 PM
And then I tried to download XMMS and when it finished it just disappeared. o_O I'll try again, cause I want to see the majesty of it. And yes, Metaphysical Man, the G5 is VERY powerful. It's kinda noisy at times, like when I'm burning CDs and opening like 40 applications at once, but it can handle them all well once they are open. It is a piece of computing art. ^_^ *strokes the G5 tower* But yeah the Mac/PC debate has been heating up in recent years and it's really fun. Diamond processors you say? Heh heh heh Funny. I hope they work though. Twould be 73h n337.
And Bernie is not my name. You may call me Berny.
Oh, and Grey, your screenshot (omg dont wrory i wont tell teh super ^_^) link didn't work.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 17, 2004, 03:05:22 PM
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v291/grey_ninja/screenshot.png
Try that instead.
Winamp is simplistic in nature. It does the job it needs to do, and nothing more. If you want bells and whistles, you get plugins. In the screenshot though, you can see the simple sorting algorithms it has. Sort by path and filename is the one that I use the most. I ignore ID3 tags for the most part, but my file names are usually quite reasonable and well sorted. So I just right click on my music folder, (which has subdirectories for SPCs, PSFs, USFs, and MP3/OGG/MP2s), and Winamp queues up all my songs. I sort them by path and filename, then turn on shuffle mode for good measure. I'm set for about a month.But yeah... the G5 is certainly quite a machine. But to be honest, I would much rather have one of these babies powering my rig.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=12058&vpn=ADA3800AWBOX&manufacture=AM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 17, 2004, 04:03:30 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 17, 2004, 11:52:53 PM
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 18, 2004, 07:14:04 AM
*shakes head sadly at Grey*
You're slipping man.
http://allmacintosh.mirror.ac.uk/preview/206623.html
Please note that this version is for 8.5 or later, but not for OS X. I saw a version for 10.2.8, but for whatever reason can't find a link to it at the moment.
Post by: Berny on June 18, 2004, 07:32:48 AM
I'll see if google can help me find the OS X version though.
And Grey Ninja doesn't slip. He just forgets sometimes. ^_^ Happens to the best of us. (omg shutup mspikmin ull mkae him go back to teh drak side!)
EDIT: Yeah, I have to find the OS X version cause whenever I interact with OS X (like right now for instance) the sound gets all choppy. I'll reserve any decision on whether or not I like it until then.
Post by: Syl on June 18, 2004, 07:58:20 AM
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Winamp's great. I installed an MDX plugin now I can throw the Cho Ren Sha 68k music files into my playlist...
Sweet, you can do that? I never even thought about it.
Hell, I'm just amazed someone else plays Cho Ren Sha 68k. That game has some great music, but it is very brutal (Level 6 boss = PAIN). I recently found out something very important about it though. It should be common knowledge though.
If you don't pick up a powerup, but instead go in the middle of the triangle without hitting any of them, they start spinning and you get *ALL 3* powerups at once. Difficult to pull off if your getting shot at though ^_^
Anyway, thats a good idea, i gotta look for the MDX plugin cause cho ren sha sadly doesn't run on this computer, but i have it installed anyway.
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MMD3 is a cool winamp skin, I'm using "EMP" myself, its simple, its elegant. It loads faster than most, i just really like it. I have some plugins that make my MP3's sound better, I have a ton of visualization plugins incase i want something different. I'm not a fan of the "classic" skins myself....
Does anyone actually use winamp for Video? I personally found its video to be horrible compared to Divx or windows media player 9...
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 18, 2004, 05:15:42 PM
Winamp 5 is ok... but I don't really care for the bugginess of it, and it's a little slower than Winamp 2. Besides, I honestly don't care about Winamp 3 skins at all. 2 does everything I want it to do.I actually use WMP 9 to play all my video, thanks to the greatness of RealAlternative and QuicktimeAlternative. I try to avoid Real and QT movies, but sometimes they are just unavoidable.
And yeah, I completely forgot about Winamp for Mac. I have to say that from what I saw of it, I wasn't overly impressed though, and it seems to be discontinued anyways. I would go for XMMS if I were you.
Post by: Berny on June 19, 2004, 02:07:04 PM
And XMMS requires a lot of other downloads. I'm workin on it though. I'm workin on it.
Post by: Artimus on June 19, 2004, 03:00:47 PM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on June 19, 2004, 08:55:37 PM
Maybe someone can clear this up?
Post by: Caillan on June 19, 2004, 11:27:36 PM
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I am aware that "we all don't like Macs.
Not true! I really don't understant the blaring hate for all things un-Microsoft that is stirred in the hearts of some Windows users comes from, but I know to ignore it. I have never heard anyone actually say much intelligent while splurting out the kind of crap that goes around other than not being able to run their favourite programs. After a few minutes on the GUI, people get used to it and generally like as well. People just hate things they don't understand, I guess.
Porting Winamp to Mac is like building pens to work in space. It losses what makes it good: its speed, efficiency and stability. XMMS is also very good, though I don't know about the Mac version either. Remember, if you possible can, use a frikkin pencil!
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 20, 2004, 10:26:19 AM
Pencils weren't used in the space program because it was feared that graphite would break off, and could potentially short out some of the electronics on the spacecraft. It was a safety thing. However, it was recently discovered that a regular ball point pen would work in space after all, so you aren't entirely wrong.
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 20, 2004, 10:59:25 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 20, 2004, 11:13:39 AM
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I also work with Mac and PCs at my college when doing computer animation. Pro-Graphic cards won't work on a Mac, there for the rendering process will take forever
That's grossly inaccurate. I can see where having a nice 3D accelerator would help greatly in the design phase, where you are actually working with a 3D model in real time. However, when the actual rendering comes in, I don't think which graphics card you have really bears any relevance. It's ALL about the CPU power. And that's something that a Mac will do FAR better than any PC given the vastly superior architecture.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on June 20, 2004, 12:09:14 PM
I am, not naive as to see the advantage of either. There's a pro and con for both, as I believe Grey Ninja has pointed out. With Macs obviously having a better Architecture, but not having the ability to be as customizable as PC's and the steep price of Macs compared to PC's.
But Macs do have pleanty of power, and better OS, when compared to Windows, especially ME. God I hated that OS to hell and back. I much preferred XP compared to that buggy crap of OS, My New comp came with it. I'm satisfied with my Compaq 2.0 Ghz AMD Athlon XP 2400+ 768MB of Ram, 128MB agp Nvidia Geforce FX ultra. With my 48x CDRW and 16x DVD-Rom, I'm happy with it.
The problem with macs is that games do not frequent macs or take seriously longer to bring over to mac users. Perhaps the future will change iin that regards.
I've always thought about getting a Mac anyway, I hear the Jaguar OSX is one of the best OS's. Something I would really like.
But seriously, people should be happy with either. Getting both, if your willing. you will have the best of both worlds. it's all in taste, neither is bad. It's what you like and can do with either.
I won't pretend I understand everything about PC's and Mac's just asked Grey there
But I do have some knowledge of how thing's work and how to get everything I needed to work when adding new stuff to the motherboard and such
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on June 21, 2004, 12:08:16 AM
Either way you look at it, both machines have came a very far way. I mean hell, when Toy Story came out, the 77 minutes if animations requier 800,000 machine-hours to render. We've came a far way now, where we can do a job like that in weeks or less.
