Post by: Intera on June 04, 2004, 12:55:13 PM
I am looking to buy an HDTV to play my Cube games on (and my Xbox). The problem is I'm totally new to this stuff and I've been looking around the net trying to find where I can buy HDTV's in the UK and I'm pretty lost.
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as to what sort of TV I need to buy? When I search for HDTV's I get Plasmas and LCD, which one is best? I am looking for a relatively small one, about 17-20" because I have limited space.
Does anyone know where I can buy them in the UK, what I should buy and also what I should look for (specs wise) when I am buying one? Also, do PAL cube games (and PAL cubes) support HDTV and Progressive Scan?
One more thing, I am currently using a 32" Panasonic Widescreen through an RGB cable to play my games, and they look pretty good, do you think it's worth going down to a small screen size to get HD?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Intera
Post by: Griffin on June 04, 2004, 03:42:28 PM
I'm not sure which is better between Plasma and LCD though, maybe someone else can help you with that question.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 04, 2004, 05:03:54 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 05, 2004, 04:55:10 AM
Post by: Syl on June 05, 2004, 06:17:51 AM
Cable Wise, grab a monster cable. Theyre not hard to find, expensive things.. but if your willing to spend that much on a TV, then i suppose its really only necessary to get the best image possible.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 05, 2004, 06:48:09 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on June 05, 2004, 11:53:51 AM
LOL, Monster Inc wasn't allowed to make the component cable by nintendo.
The only component cable you can get is made by Big N and must be ordered online no less
. It's quite the hassle.Post by: Griffin on June 05, 2004, 01:04:03 PM
Post by: Tael on June 05, 2004, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThey do support progressive scan. The PAL games don't support progressive scan, but when using a Freeloader with NTSC games you can enable progressive scan and the PAL GameCube will output a NTSC progressive scan signal.
Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
KDR why doesnt PAL region cubes dont have HD support or pro. scan?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 05, 2004, 08:01:49 PM
Tael: Well, obviously there's a difference between PAL PS and NTSC PS, no?
Post by: - NintendoFan - on June 06, 2004, 03:13:57 AM
As far as I know Nintendo is the only one that makes and sells a Component Cable for GameCube. At least in North America.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 06, 2004, 03:14:52 AM
false, a properly adjusted plasma set is fine for gaming.
"Plasma undoubtedly has a better image quality, but your shoving a couple thousand more dollars out there for it. "
Again, FALSE. Both LCD's and plasmas have terrible black levels. The also suffer from dead pixels, rainbows and ghosting.
A good calibrated CRT rear projection set can offer the best picture quality every time if you have the space.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 06, 2004, 06:14:12 AM
Post by: Syl on June 06, 2004, 07:48:25 AM
Post by: Griffin on June 06, 2004, 10:42:19 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on June 06, 2004, 10:42:48 AM
SCART is an industry standard for interconnecting audio-visual equipment, developed by the French company, Peritel. SCART stands for Syndicat francais des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radio et Television, meaning "Association of French Radio and Television Manufacturers". In Europe and other countries that use the PAL video standard, most TVs and VCRs come equipped with a SCART connector. The Peritel SCART connector (also known as Euro-connector) has 21 pins and provides for bi-directional connection of audio and composite video signals, uni-directional RGB video, plus control signals for television/VCR interaction.
"Most SCART cables available for Gamecube do NOT deliver an RGB signal but instead wire the normal AV composite signal to the SCART, so that you can use the Gamecube with a TV that has only SCART connectors. The only real Gamecube RGB Scart Cable comes from Nintendo, but this cable does not provide any additional audio outputs, so you only have your TV's speakers for sound, and cannot connect your Gamecube to a Surrond Sound Receiver. Looks like on the Gamecube, you can either have great picture or great sound, but not both. "
So why you did buy an unofficial scart cable you're basically getting a converter :0. You're not getting progessive scan :0.
Also you can buy unofficial VGA converters which can deliever 480P but that's another issue :0.
Post by: Ymeegod on June 06, 2004, 11:09:20 AM
So for europeans there's no sense to get an HDTV at all
, at least not for your GC. But if you want you can import american games and use freeloaded to get 480P.--
Post by: - NintendoFan - on June 06, 2004, 01:09:14 PM
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NintendoFan: Monster Cable has component, my friend has one.
I am pretty sure they do not. Are you sure it wasn't composite? Here take a look at there website: Monster Game - GAMECUBE
Post by: KDR_11k on June 06, 2004, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: Weshy on June 27, 2004, 03:25:36 PM
Weshy.
Post by: Ymeegod on June 27, 2004, 04:53:30 PM
Actually you have to switch that option on during bootup and no, not all GC have 60hzs.
Think I recalled a few of Acclaim games were ported so quickly that they are basically the US games with Pal regional unlocked. You'll get 1/3 inch border or choppy frames but you can enable progressive scan if you have the US component adapter.
And the hertz wasn't the reason nintendo or MS disabled progressive scan--it's the lack of consumers who have them in europe. They basically said not enough people had them to warrant the effort and costs.
The PS2 does have Pal enabled games--dont' recall what model you needed but it's there.
Post by: anubis6789 on June 27, 2004, 07:35:19 PM
BTW did anyone else notice that Samsung released a 27" (3:4) 480p direct view CRT for under $500, which is the perfect thing for anyone who wants to play their GCN games in pro scan for a good price. I would get one but I have no clue how good Samsung's TVs are. I f anyone could give me the heads up on the picture quality and if its good I'm getting it. BTW there is also a 32" version as well.
Post by: Ymeegod on June 27, 2004, 08:25:08 PM
Consumer Reports rated two of their sets very high considering the price.
Post by: anubis6789 on June 27, 2004, 08:30:31 PM
BTW how did you get that TV for $540? that is quite the deal.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 28, 2004, 05:49:11 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 29, 2004, 08:06:44 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 29, 2004, 04:00:05 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 29, 2004, 05:02:21 PM
Does the PAL tv market also have monitors that come with progressive scan support?
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Let's see, by definition...
NTSC: max rez is 720(H) x 480(V). Native "framerate" is 29.97 fps (59.94 Hz interlaced-field refresh rate, or 59.94 or "60" fields-per-second).
PAL: max rez is 720(H) x 576(V). Native "framerate" is 25 fps (50 Hz interlaced-field refresh rate, or 50 fields-per-second).
Both are interlaced formats originally designed for "air wave" broadcasting.
NTSC does not display frames progressively, only interlaced. As soon as you switch to a progressive video display -- despite the fact the 480(V) rez is maintained -- we've left the land of "true" NTSC and thus entered the realm of EDTV and/or HDTV, whose basic specifications (like 480(V) rez and various framerate displays) are derived from the mother NTSC specs, and have brought us closer to the likes of non-interlaced 4:3 aspect-ratio computer monitors. So, progressive scan is impossible via NTSC by definition, until you specifically add progressive scan support to the monitor itself (like EDTV maybe?) and provide a properly formatted progressive video feed.
Can someone fill me in, are there tv's in the PAL market that have progressive scan?
If there aren't any, I can see why PAL games don't have progressive support.
I don't see why there wouldn't be any progressive scan support on PAL tv's tho, other than laziness. I know there's RGB video support thanks to SCART connectors, so why not make PAL TV monitors that are similar to arcade monitors or VGA monitors?... Maybe the energy requirements or transmission frequencies are too high. *sigh*
Post by: anubis6789 on June 30, 2004, 06:26:10 AM
