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Title: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 19, 2004, 06:24:25 AM
OK Maybe its slightly exagerated by my part

Here

I wasnt too happy with this interview, by the interviewers comments... the guy being asked has some interesting points thogh, on Revolution and Nintendo DS....  
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 11:21:49 AM
The guy has a point, but his logic is really flawed and he's seeing more what he expects to see than what's actually there, or categorizing things into 100% sequel and 100% original. I stopped reading because it got quite irritating.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
" My gut tells me that 14-year-old boys are all the same"

I think that says all we need to know about this fellow.

Well, that and claiming the GBA market is 6-12 year olds.

Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 19, 2004, 12:22:44 PM
Some people never grow up...And this kid is one of them...
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2004, 02:15:34 PM
This guy hasn't found Reggie in his life yet.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 03:52:32 PM
That guy better be more happy that Reggie hasn't found him yet...
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 19, 2004, 04:17:25 PM
Yeah, I've just stopped visiting Gamespot.

I've also grown cold towards TechTV since it began merging with G4. G4 is about as anti Nintendo as I've ever seen, and they constantly kiss between the arse-cheeks of Sony and Microsoft. Makes me sick.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Mario on May 19, 2004, 09:34:39 PM
Uh, all I got out of that interview is that Microsoft will fail and Nintendo and Sony will be fighting for first place in five years. More like Anti Xbox bias.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2004, 01:58:13 AM
He says EA will fail because they don't cater to the mature audience, which makes up 20% of the market. That might sound like much until you look at what makes up the other 80%. Games rated 12 and under. That's the market Nintendo and EA are going for, that's the market that produces the big money. Also, a big HAHA to his prediction that Activision will win. Erm, last time I checked catering to both audiences isn't worth anything if the games you're catering with are major crap.

Also, isn't 007:EON rated 16/M?
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2004, 05:15:19 AM
I dunno, but Def Jam is...
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 20, 2004, 07:33:23 AM
"He says EA will fail because they don't cater to the mature audience, which makes up 20% of the market."

What is this guy smoking?  EA totally caters to the mature audience.  What age group do you think Madden and all their other sports games sell to?  EA is playing it really smart.  Their top games are either sports titles or 'T' rated games.  The 'T' rating is the best rating to have because it appeals to adults and is appropriate for kids.  As much as I hate it EA will remain a huge success unless casual gamers lose interest in the gaming "fad".

I do agree with him in that I don't think Microsoft will maintain their momentum.  Once they're no longer able to throw around millions of dollars for marketing and buying other developers and actually are expected by the higher-ups to make a profit they're going to have to cut down on the Xbox's luxuries and the fanbase isn't going to support that.  They've made the mistake of training their fans to expect greatly superior hardware, and Xbox Live, and for important games to be "bought" and realistically they can't keep giving all that to the fans and make a profit at the same time.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2004, 12:32:46 PM
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They've made the mistake of training their fans to expect greatly superior hardware, and Xbox Live, and for important games to be "bought" and realistically they can't keep giving all that to the fans and make a profit at the same time.


Greatly superior to what?  The only way people can think that is if you listened to MS and their huge hype before the launch.  

MS will have a problem if Sony decides to get up off their bloated asses and buy some developers/exclusives themselves.   I also think Microsoft overlooks Nintendo in their crazed pursuit of Sony.  If Nintendo is incredibly aggressive next gen. like they should be, they should easily gain a much bigger market share, and in turn get those 3rd party games that have been missing this gen.

Lastly, since when was Gamespots 'interest' a secret?
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 20, 2004, 12:45:07 PM
"Greatly superior to what? The only way people can think that is if you listened to MS and their huge hype before the launch."

The hype is mostly what I meant.  From the listed specs the Xbox is the "most powerful" of the three consoles.  Rumour has it MS isn't planning on going with the raw power focused design this time because it's not profitable.  However that means that specs sheet isn't going to look as impressive (which for some reason is a big deal to a lot of fans) and the hardware itself may not be significantly more powerful thus not giving the Xbox 2 the advantage of having the best looking games.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 20, 2004, 12:57:36 PM
"Greatly superior to what? "

Havibg all three systems and a kick ass display set up, I will say this. Games on the x-box generally look and sound much better than games on the gamecube, and much much better than my PS2.
The x-box titles seem to be more vibrant in colors and overall appearance. The sound is no contest, in game DD 5.1 sounds great.
Load times on the box and cube are similar with the cube having the slight edge, the PS2 load times can be horrendous.
The one thing I hate are the flipper disks on Gamecube games such as Tiger Woods 2004. Getting up to change a damn disk all the time is a pain in the arse. Bigger media would have been a real plus.
I like all 3 controllers, each has good and bad points.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 20, 2004, 02:09:36 PM
Well he is rather accomplished in his field, so his views do carry some weight.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 02:13:43 PM
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"Greatly superior to what? "

Havibg all three systems and a kick ass display set up, I will say this. Games on the x-box generally look and sound much better than games on the gamecube, and much much better than my PS2.
The x-box titles seem to be more vibrant in colors and overall appearance. The sound is no contest, in game DD 5.1 sounds great.
Load times on the box and cube are similar with the cube having the slight edge, the PS2 load times can be horrendous.
The one thing I hate are the flipper disks on Gamecube games such as Tiger Woods 2004. Getting up to change a damn disk all the time is a pain in the arse. Bigger media would have been a real plus.
I like all 3 controllers, each has good and bad points.


Wow- that was completely irrelevant. We're talking about a Gamespot article, not how each console compare.

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What is this guy smoking? EA totally caters to the mature audience. What age group do you think Madden and all their other sports games sell to?


EA is appealing to a group much more diverse than just "mature" gamers with sports games- sports are universally enjoyed by a gigantic amount of people stretching across many ages, backrounds, gender, etc- targeting such a broad group with just one game will produce incredible results, and that's why Madden continues to do so well.

 
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 02:48:31 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
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"Greatly superior to what? "

Havibg all three systems and a kick ass display set up, I will say this. Games on the x-box generally look and sound much better than games on the gamecube, and much much better than my PS2.
The x-box titles seem to be more vibrant in colors and overall appearance. The sound is no contest, in game DD 5.1 sounds great.
Load times on the box and cube are similar with the cube having the slight edge, the PS2 load times can be horrendous.
The one thing I hate are the flipper disks on Gamecube games such as Tiger Woods 2004. Getting up to change a damn disk all the time is a pain in the arse. Bigger media would have been a real plus.
I like all 3 controllers, each has good and bad points.


Wow- that was completely irrelevant. We're talking about a Gamespot article, not how each console compare.


ROFL!!!  Completely irrelevant lol! PLEASE... The issue at hand had temporarily switched from the Gamespot discussion to whether XB is indeed superior hardware...  (as it often happens the name of thread doesn't always stay glued to that discussion).
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 03:12:33 PM
Actually, the discussion was on Microsoft using the XBox's power as a marketing tool- we can thank Ian for gracefully shifting us back on topic.  
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2004, 03:12:43 PM
"as it often happens the name of thread doesn't always stay glued to that discussion"

That means you've gone off-topic...
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 20, 2004, 03:52:41 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis


ROFL!!!  Completely irrelevant lol! PLEASE... The issue at hand had temporarily switched from the Gamespot discussion to whether XB is indeed superior hardware...  (as it often happens the name of thread doesn't always stay glued to that discussion).


please read the rules joeamis oh wot, off topic shenanigans in this thread.

I think this clown (the interviewee) is just an anti EA goon, note him saying 'one copy of Madden is enough' and i tend to agree
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 03:55:29 PM
as if it's automatically bad for a thread to go off topic.  no thread with alot of posts always stays strictly on topic.  often the best topics spring up spontaneously off another topic.  it's like stream of consciousness.

or I could just say lollerskates because that'd a better response according to Mouse ^_^
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 03:57:21 PM
We're farther off topic now than I ever claimed cubedcancuck was.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 03:58:52 PM
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Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
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please read the rules joeamis oh wot, off topic shenanigans in this thread.

I think this clown (the interviewee) is just an anti EA goon, note him saying 'one copy of Madden is enough' and i tend to agree


Oh really well if going off topic once is so bad, then why's it okay for you to do it on a daily basis?
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 20, 2004, 04:07:37 PM
Mouse, you seriously need to get over yourself.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 04:13:42 PM
Because he's joking, joeamis- cubedcanuck was going extensively into something completely unrelated ("Get over yourself!" says the pot to kettle). If we're getting into an offtopic discussion, that's when threads usually get locked- Zoidy and Infernal just make jokes. Seriously, though, now we're REALLY offtopic- let's put a cap on this, eh?
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 04:35:56 PM
I was just being a jerk because I was treated like one earlier.  I'll be fine as long as people respect everyone on the forum instead of just their buddies.  Meaning don't throw insults and reply to serious posts by mocking others.  (which you didn't do Mouse just to clarify things).
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2004, 04:42:20 PM
I'm not really one for the "eye for an eye" thing...
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 20, 2004, 04:43:58 PM
you got served.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 04:55:02 PM
More disrespect Dr.Z?
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 20, 2004, 05:03:24 PM
"cubedcanuck was going extensively into something completely unrelated"

That is BS. The 2 previous posts both brought up the X-box's power as did the article. I was simply pointing out, that through my personal experiences, that indeed the x-box performs as the most powerful console.
So I say again mouse, you do not run these forums, so please get over yourself.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 05:18:55 PM
Cubedcancuck, let's drop the squabble for a second so I can say this: I'm sorry. I was out of line insulting you in my earlier post, and although I didn't think your comment was relevant, it wasn't my place to say anything about it. I apologize.  
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 20, 2004, 10:30:15 PM
an attempt to resolve drama? inexcuseable.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2004, 11:04:23 PM
Drama is the tobasco of our lives.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 20, 2004, 11:41:41 PM
I read the whole article. I really didn't see anything Nintendo biased. He seemed to give his honest assesment of what he thinks is going on in the industry. Plus he gave his reasons for why he thought the way he did. I didn't agree with everything he said but he had a lot of valid points. I too believe MS will flounder once the next gen starts. Once they lose their endless budget and they have to be more fiscally responsible like Sony and Nintendo they will be in a world of trouble. MS can't seperate themselves from Nintendo despite the blunders Nintendo has made this generation and despite the fact that they've outspent Sony and Nintendo combined. Good article IMO.

Darc Requiem
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 21, 2004, 05:46:06 AM
Darc: The thread is about the interviewer, not the interviewee. After Pachter says something positive about Nintendo after being asked, the interviewer seems to poke around to get a negative reply. Of course, that's just an interpretation you can reach if that is what you want to prove in first place.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: jasonditz on May 21, 2004, 08:05:37 AM
The Interviewee was shockingly ignorant and the interviewer seemed convinced that the Xbox is destined to take the entire market.

Anti-Nintendo? Sure... but he was just as Anti-Sony. He was perfectly happy to accept the DS as having an edge over the PSP, where he got really hostile was when the interviewee started badmouthing Microsoft's strategy.  
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: The Omen on May 21, 2004, 02:13:40 PM
I guess I am to blame for taking this thread off topic earlier, but I won't apologize.  F*** everyone!
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 21, 2004, 06:49:34 PM
After Pachter says something positive about Nintendo after being asked, the interviewer seems to poke around to get a negative reply. Of course, that's just an interpretation you can reach if that is what you want to prove in first place.


That was what i was trying to get at The Analyst being interviewed trully believes Nintendo has a chance the next generation, and i agree with him, but this guy from Gamespot seemed to throw that idea asside basically saying Nintendo just cares about the kiddies, Nintendo beat Microsoft? Imposible!
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 22, 2004, 12:05:54 PM
What about IGN!

The new E3 awards shows Conker's Live and Reloaded as best overall graphics over DOOM3, Resident Evil4, HalfLife2, etc.  I saw CLR and the graphics were not that great it was okay but even timepslitters 3 had about the same graphic prowess.

Also they had PSP over DS by large margin.  PSP had 12 votes and DS 6 and AlienWare got 2 votes for best hardware/pheripherial.  And quoting that most of their editors thought that the PSP is the evoloution of handheld gaming.  Umm how is a evoloution if it is really just the same old same old except with better graphics and larger screen?

And Halo got game of show.  Ok yeah great game and all but the game has no originality at all.  Everything this game has has been ripped off of other games.  The only new additions include Live Support, dual guns, new vehicles, new guns, more maps.  Online play for FSP isnt new, dual guns is certainly not new (goldeneye, perfect dark, etc) vehicles are original though, and guns well perfect dark still wallops halo in this aspect, and maps perfect dark still wins here too.  So how does this sequal deserve best of show?

IGN = Anti Gaming (LOL)
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2004, 12:09:54 PM
"And quoting that most of their editors thought that the PSP is the evoloution of handheld gaming."

Ahahahaha...It's funny how little "gaming journalists" know, eh?
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 22, 2004, 12:10:19 PM
" The Interviewee was shockingly ignorant and the interviewer seemed convinced that the Xbox is destined to take the entire market. "

Read it again, this time open eyes.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 01:41:27 PM
PSP is the natural evolution of handheld gaming.  Every corresponding thing has been grown.  You've got a sleeker design, better components, better/more controls, more capacity.  How is that not an evolution of prior handhelds?  The DS can be seen thus as a more radical evolution or more fitting a revolution.  Will the next Gameboy not be an evolution of handhelds too? as it's slated to only have 1 screen.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2004, 05:09:47 PM
The point is that IGN thinks the PSP is a "greater evolution" than the DS, which is ridiculous...
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 22, 2004, 06:22:50 PM
Well doesn't a evolution require something new like a third eye, so i don't think a larger nose or pointed ears counts as evoloution.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 06:35:27 PM
Each one has evolved more than the other in different ways.  It depends on whether you see evolution as evolving what was already in place or evolving into a completely different form.  Like evolving your species into a more survivable one or evolving from one species into another separate one (which is also more survivable) but still having characteristics of the former.

I think part of the reason why some people might favor the PSP despite DS excellent showing at E3 is that less was shown, so people still have hyped expectations that it may or may not achieve.  Ofcourse the same can go for the DS because once the ideas really start flowing for the dual screens and touch screen they can surpass any expectations, it's just that consumers expectations are more tangible on the surface for PSP because it's familiar while the DS consumer expectations are less tangible because it's entirely new and innovative.  I guess it will just end upto how well the designers utilize the PSP but more importantly the innovative DS hardware.
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 06:40:30 PM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
Well doesn't a evolution require something new like a third eye, so i don't think a larger nose or pointed ears counts as evoloution.


Evolution is a change in a beings prior form whether it be miniscule or large, whether it be a rat evolving into a squirrel, a dinosaur evolving into a smaller reptile, or a human being shedding body hair over the species lifetime on earth.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 22, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
Interesting enough, Gamespy gave the DS the second place in it's top 20 games list, between Half-Life 2 (first place) and the PSP (third place).
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: vudu on May 23, 2004, 05:46:29 AM
yeah, but this interview was on gamespot, which ranked the psp higher than the ds.  big surprise.
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 23, 2004, 09:58:04 AM
Probably the Gamespot guys are just bitter because they didn't manage to get their hands on a DS...
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: NintendoSoldier on July 01, 2004, 10:02:09 PM
PSP is the natural evolution of handheld gaming. Every corresponding thing has been grown. You've got a sleeker design, better components, better/more controls, more capacity. How is that not an evolution of prior handhelds? The DS can be seen thus as a more radical evolution or more fitting a revolution. Will the next Gameboy not be an evolution of handhelds too? as it's slated to only have 1 screen.

PLEASE STFU the Ds rules and if you don't like nintendo leave .
Title: RE: Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2004, 01:07:06 AM
Who are you talking to? Gamespot? Do you think they'll just go away when they can fill their pockets with money and lots of free stuff from Sony?
Title: RE:Secret Gamespot Anti Nintendo Biass!
Post by: DL_992 on July 04, 2004, 03:32:03 PM
I stopped reading that article after the Wendys mcdonalds comparison