Post by: areefer on May 17, 2004, 09:14:39 AM
Post by: HereticPB on May 17, 2004, 01:12:56 PM
I agree on most parts but not all of this thread. I do agree with the 3 prong approach against Sony. Having all three of those systems and cheaper than Sony would be a death hold on the industry. Hell 2 versions have outsold PS2s by a large margin.
Some could say the N64 and the Gamecube are in the same boat as they both launched after Sony. The reason why many game companies left to sony was because of the cheaper CD medium at the time. Cartridges at the time were really expensive not to mention Nintendo's cut of the cash. CD medium with Sony's low developer costs pushed many devs towards them.
Yes, if Sony does fail with the PSP. They would have a bad light on there operations as a gaming company as a whole. But with the likes of Metal Gear and Gran Turismo 4 on the PSP system it is looking dangerous for Nintendo and if GTA gets on the portable, which I am sure it will, you have a dangerous weapon against Nintendo.
However, if Nintendo could persuade the likes of Rockstar with GTA or Konami with MGS, to put games on the DS then Sony is plan out dead in the water!
Post by: Bloodworth on May 17, 2004, 04:38:37 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 17, 2004, 04:47:11 PM
Post by: Chongman on May 17, 2004, 05:02:46 PM
Still, we cannot rule out the psp. While developers may love it, not all consumers do and there are obviously people out there who are highly pro psp and anti ds. The media, for instance, even though DS was a much bigger part of the show, still cling to the Sony lifeboat. They were impressed, more so than the PSP, but which is getting more coverage right now? It doesn't feel like the ds...
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2004, 06:09:20 PM
Actually I find that the media for the most part has favoured the DS, usually because they were so impressed. Gamespy is really the only one that comes across as strongly pro-PSP but that site is a glorified advertisement in the first place.
"Anyone remember how Nintendo acted like having a limited "Dream Team" of developers was a good thing?"
I remember that. Even at the time I thought that Rare was only Dream Team member that was any good. Nintendo pretty much had the exact same plan with the Cube and look how that turned out. I'm really happy with the way they've handled third party support for the DS and I hope they do the same with the N5.
Post by: joeamis on May 17, 2004, 07:08:35 PM
The PSP will not flop or get demolished by Nintendo and ruin Sony's image as you say. The specs on the system are quite literally amazing, and the first footage of games and developers interviews confirms it's as good as they said it would be. The PSP can also play music and movies, and as we saw with the PS2 this is what originally drove its sales. Finally the PSP can hold a helluva lot more memory for games than the DS (like comparing N64 to PS1 memory for games). That is a major advantage as we saw how it played out with the N64 and how developers clearly preferred disc medium, especially Square. If you don't believe me just think of this, the DS is due out this year and has 100 developers lined up, the PSP isn't due out until Q2 2005 and it already has 99 developers signed on.
Post by: Chongman on May 17, 2004, 07:15:10 PM
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That is a major advantage as we saw how it played out with the N64 and how developers clearly preferred disc medium, especially Square.
That's quite flawed in ds vs psp comparison mostly because of psp battery life. Undoubtedly the psp will discourage direct streaming and pre rendered graphics will become a must. I''m not sure how to present this argument mainly because i'm a techy, but...ah...you know what I mean. The disc medium shouldn't make too much of a difference.
Also think, the ds has roughly (i speculate) six months or so of a launch date difference. This is something that worked for sony, it could also work for nintendo. Afterall, after you've bought your kid the new high tech game thingy, will you fork out $300 additional for another one?
Ian~ I dont know...it just seems most major sites are more focused on psp even though they're all mostly impressed with the ds. maybe just my outlook though...
Post by: areefer on May 17, 2004, 09:08:01 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2004, 10:08:51 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 17, 2004, 11:08:43 PM
I think if the PSP is as powerful as claimed (I have my doubts) it'll have dev cycles much longer than the DS, which means either more expensive games, less games, less "risky" games or a combination of the above.
Post by: areefer on May 17, 2004, 11:59:49 PM
Post by: HereticPB on May 18, 2004, 12:23:45 AM
The PSP UMD can store up to 1.8GigaBytes of digital data. The DS games are on 1 gigabit cartridges thats about 119.21 rounded Megabytes or 128 Megabytes of space.
That is a huge difference!!! We are comparing the DS to the PSP, which should not happen, but it does!
Post by: Luigi on May 18, 2004, 04:40:22 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
Nintendo having 3 systems out at the same time isn't a big advantage. It's a slim advantage and could actually work against them. Supporting 2 different systems is harder than supporting 1 with quality games. Therefor the PSP could gain alot more better titles since they only have to worry about 1 system.
I don't follow. Sony has to support 2 systems as well.
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The PSP can also play music and movies, and as we saw with the PS2 this is what originally drove its sales.
Actually, this won't work quite the same as it did for the PS2. There were tons of PS1 games out and DVD was a common medium. While it can play music and movies, its all proprietary and requires new purchases.
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Finally the PSP can hold a helluva lot more memory for games than the DS (like comparing N64 to PS1 memory for games). That is a major advantage as we saw how it played out with the N64 and how developers clearly preferred disc medium, especially Square. If you don't believe me just think of this, the DS is due out this year and has 100 developers lined up, the PSP isn't due out until Q2 2005 and it already has 99 developers signed on.
But remember the PSP was originally slated for Xmas release as well, so their isn't any real head start here. On the whole, I agree with you. I think they both will be successful. But I doubt either will even approach GBA sales.
Post by: jasonditz on May 18, 2004, 06:16:05 PM
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The difference is that if you make a GBA game, you're more limited by the tech but both GBA and DS owners can use it. That encourages GBA development if you're one of those companies who only care about the "units sold" number.
On the other hand, unless the game they want to make really needs one of the new features of the DS, it makes a lot more sense to make it for the GBA. Units sold definately matters of course... but as we've seen time and again, new tech does not equal creativity. I have a feeling the GBA still has plenty of great games left in it.
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 18, 2004, 06:42:30 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: Chongman on May 18, 2004, 07:12:48 PM
Will psp have load times?
Post by: jasonditz on May 18, 2004, 07:54:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2004, 09:55:25 PM
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Will psp have load times?
No, it makes a photo of the disk and can push any part of it into memory without delay. </sarcasm>
Post by: Mario on May 18, 2004, 10:03:35 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Nintendo's not just pushing the DS as a developers' system, the developers are responding- the short interviews they showed at the press conference were amazing. Those guys couldn't stop talking about how incredible the DS was, and they were all CEO's and VP's of huge 3rd parties.
Yeah, I saw EA, Ubi-Soft, Sega etc. talking about it. But what systems don't they support? I'll believe in Nintendo's huge third party support for the DS when i see it.
I don't care either way though, i'd probably still only buy Nintendo games for it.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 18, 2004, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 18, 2004, 10:37:04 PM
LOAD TIMES ON A PORTABLE HANDHELD SYSTEMS!
Thats not something i want at all, heck Load times and Portable Handheld Systems shouldn't even be in the same sentence!
Portables are fast fun on the go.
IMO if load times are anywhere near as bad as any PS2 games then any gameboy users will really be turned off by the PSP.
By the way i predict SquareEnix to support DS more than PSP, mainly due to the fact that the PSP will eat away at the battery for games that need to stream movies and such (cutscenes) which will discourage any developer to use any movies at all.
Post by: areefer on May 18, 2004, 11:20:59 PM
psp-more expensive than ds
ds-a little more expensive than past gameboys but within my budget
psp-looks nice and has a nice screen but I got to buy a protective case or I'm going to scratch it up
ds-looks nice and has TWO (wow one of em is a touch screen) screens but it opens and closes so I can just close it to protect the screen
psp-has wireless connectivity between systems as well as wi-fi
ds-has wireless connectivity plus wi-fi as well
psp-sony's first portable system
ds-this is like Nintendo's 5th gameboy and they just keep getting better and better so this one must be great
psp-uses disc which means I'll definitely need a carrying case when I'm on the go to protect those disc
ds-uses cards which won't get scratched from being in my pocket
psp-"looking at psp games" well let me look at the ds games
ds-"looking at ds games" has more games PLUS it's compatible with gba games too
psp-I don't see why I would pay more for this plus shell out extra for a case
ds-I can get a ds plus a couple games and I don't need batteries
Post by: SatansNemesis on May 18, 2004, 11:38:16 PM
Though one thought, if the DS is backwards compatible, can it be used as a controller for GC games? That could give me an excuse to get one and keep my sp. And could be considered a plus for people looking to buy one.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 18, 2004, 11:51:05 PM
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 12:10:49 AM
Post by: Shift Key on May 19, 2004, 04:52:20 AM
Sony were saying two-to-six hours of gaming on the PSP! I'd then say it would be more like two-to-four because Sony isn't going to say something bad about their system. And that's absolutely horrible. It'll probably run out of power during a FF FMV, which would make me throw it out a window or at someone.
Its because of the moving parts the UMD has (basically its a mini-DVD drive with disc in a self-contained unit) where Nintendo still has the CARTRIDGEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! And I say hooray to that, because its a good choice for a portable gaming system, not an all-in-one portable multimedia unit.
QuoteI don't think so, because the SP/GBA had the connection for the link cable which the DS does not need (WIRELESS ^_^) so don't throw your SP out yet
Though one thought, if the DS is backwards compatible, can it be used as a controller for GC games?
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 05:05:54 AM
I mean, this isn't like when the GBA didn't have an IR port for the couple GBC games that needed one, the GBA link cable is integral to a lot of games.
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 06:13:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 19, 2004, 06:20:02 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on May 19, 2004, 06:57:15 AM
I did make a point to suggest that PictoChat needs to be bundled with the system because it's something a lot of people would use if they had it, but not a lot of people would likely buy.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 19, 2004, 07:53:06 AM
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Originally posted by: areefer
Let me break down what will go through the average consumers mind when looking at the psp and ds side by side:
psp-more expensive than ds
ds-a little more expensive than past gameboys but within my budget
psp-looks nice and has a nice screen but I got to buy a protective case or I'm going to scratch it up
ds-looks nice and has TWO (wow one of em is a touch screen) screens but it opens and closes so I can just close it to protect the screen
psp-has wireless connectivity between systems as well as wi-fi
ds-has wireless connectivity plus wi-fi as well
psp-sony's first portable system
ds-this is like Nintendo's 5th gameboy and they just keep getting better and better so this one must be great
psp-uses disc which means I'll definitely need a carrying case when I'm on the go to protect those disc
ds-uses cards which won't get scratched from being in my pocket
psp-"looking at psp games" well let me look at the ds games
ds-"looking at ds games" has more games PLUS it's compatible with gba games too
psp-I don't see why I would pay more for this plus shell out extra for a case
ds-I can get a ds plus a couple games and I don't need batteries
You're too optimistic about that. The average consumer sees the screen of the PSP and al they think is "Oooh, Shiny! Gimme!". Really, "average consumers" don't inform themselves.
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 08:21:06 AM
The point of this thread of course is that sony is the doomed and the two things that lead them to dominance in the living room (who waits a year and a half to release a system that was already 6 months late) are NOT going to happen here. Please open eyes people and realize that Nintendo has been around all these years because they're leaders and not followers and the one time they didn't lead sony took the living room from them, now if Nintendo were to spot psp a year and a half lead before introducing ds I would be singing a different tune but we all know that ain't happening!!!
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 08:42:57 AM
Look at it like this, Nintendo controls 95 % of the market in comes ds and let's just say only 80% jump on the ds ship and they pick up an additional 10% from newbies, now that's 90% still even with them losing 15% of their userbase (which ain't a small usebase) so sony picks up 5% of the market at best so whether or not that 5% will grow is the real question everyone should be asking imo.
It's almost as if people actually expect the millions of gameboy'ers out there to just say "Screw the ds I'm going with psp even though it'll cost me more and I'm not sure what to expect". THAT'S FUNNY!!!
By my above statement I'm just assuming they will lose 15% of their current players could be more, but what if it's LESS, (I don't know too many un-happy gba-sp owners myself) and the percentage of newbies could be different also but one things for sure most will stick with em and some new blood will make ds their first handheld.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 19, 2004, 09:34:37 AM
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umm.. Square Enix and Koei are making games for it. That got my attention. I mean what was the last Koei developed Nintendo title?
Hm, Inindo for SNES is the last decent game I remember... Koei did throw that piece of crap "Mystic Heros" at the GameCube.
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 10:03:16 AM
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 10:31:31 AM
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 04:16:18 PM
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Nintendo having 3 systems out at the same time isn't a big advantage. It's a slim advantage and could actually work against them. Supporting 2 different systems is harder than supporting 1 with quality games. Therefor the PSP could gain alot more better titles since they only have to worry about 1 system.
I don't follow. Sony has to support 2 systems as well.Quote
The PSP can also play music and movies, and as we saw with the PS2 this is what originally drove its sales.
Actually, this won't work quite the same as it did for the PS2. There were tons of PS1 games out and DVD was a common medium. While it can play music and movies, its all proprietary and requires new purchases.Quote
Finally the PSP can hold a helluva lot more memory for games than the DS (like comparing N64 to PS1 memory for games). That is a major advantage as we saw how it played out with the N64 and how developers clearly preferred disc medium, especially Square. If you don't believe me just think of this, the DS is due out this year and has 100 developers lined up, the PSP isn't due out until Q2 2005 and it already has 99 developers signed on.
But remember the PSP was originally slated for Xmas release as well, so their isn't any real head start here. On the whole, I agree with you. I think they both will be successful. But I doubt either will even approach GBA sales.
Well now you're bringing the home consoles into the mix lol, we were talking strictly about supporting handheld systems. If you bring home consoles into it well then Nintendo has to support 3 systems (ala 3rd pillar). You do make a good point about it being proprietary, but dvd movie players were not a big fad in Japan and the PS2 originally sold because it changed that. The head start I speak of is outside of Japan, it's alot easier to get development kits out to companies in Japan early on compared to the rest of the world.
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 04:32:28 PM
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 05:22:20 PM
1-Gamers like familiarity and there are millions of gamers quite familiair with Nintendo handhelds
2-If it cost more it's got do more without me having to shell out to much money to get it's full potential
Now you can talk all day about what the psp can do which is great but tell me what it can do that the ds CAN'T and I'll tell you more the ds can do that the psp CAN'T and that my friend is the bottom line.
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 05:55:38 PM
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well my 20 years of gamning have taught me two things:
1-Gamers like familiarity and there are millions of gamers quite familiair with Nintendo handhelds
2-If it cost more it's got do more without me having to shell out to much money to get it's full potential
Now you can talk all day about what the psp can do which is great but tell me what it can do that the ds CAN'T and I'll tell you more the ds can do that the psp CAN'T and that my friend is the bottom line.
My 20+ years of gaming have taught me three things:
1- Gamers like familiarity and there are millions more of gamers right now who are quite familiar with Sony systems and all the portable products they have made.
2- If neither companies have released the price of their systems and games then what you say in literally every single post about PSP vs DS (prices) should be deleted.
3- You cannot say the DS will completely destroy the PSP as you have many times, atleast 3 years before either system will hit its prime, I'm sorry but you're not Nostradamous or The Bible Code infamous writer.
The Bottom Line is that you're a huge fanboy of the DS and you make points that people challenge and then you can't prove those points aren't questionable or negated, so you come up with more points that just don't hold enough credibility. It's just very irritating.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 06:04:23 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on May 19, 2004, 06:12:24 PM
Everyone's waiting to see how the first real handheld battle turns out, and while I think Nintendo will stay ahead with the DS, I don't think it will be quite strong enough to make the PSP completely obsolete. I expect the PSP to have the same kind of market share in the handheld sector as the GameCube has in the home market. Like I said though, this is the first real challenger Nintendo's had since the Game Gear, and it's coming soon after Nintendo releases their own new product. So we'll just have to sit back and watch.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 19, 2004, 06:18:46 PM
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Well without an "official" statement nothing is never considered fact to all but alot of rumours are true just like alot are false but it's not like the price and release of pictochat is the biggest secret in the world so I believe it could be pretty close to point.
You totally missed what I was saying. The decision on what to do with PictoChat clearly hasn't been made yet, judging from my conversations with Nintendo reps on the show floor. Any rumors at this point are likely just speculation and not based on facts leaking out before an official announcement.
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 06:22:56 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 06:36:04 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
My 20+ years of gaming have taught me three things:
1- Gamers like familiarity and there are millions more of gamers right now who are quite familiar with Sony systems and all the portable products they have made.
2- If neither companies have released the price of their systems and games then what you say in literally every single post about PSP vs DS (prices) should be deleted.
3- You cannot say the DS will completely destroy the PSP as you have many times, atleast 3 years before either system will hit its prime, I'm sorry but you're not Nostradamous or The Bible Code infamous writer.
The Bottom Line is that you're a huge fanboy of the DS and you make points that people challenge and then you can't prove those points aren't questionable or negated, so you come up with more points that just don't hold enough credibility. It's just very irritating.
My 20+ years of gaming have taught me three things:
1- Familiarity with nongaming hardware doesn't mean much, if anything. If it did Philips and Panasonic wouldn't have fallen flat.
2- Price is worth talking about even when we don't have precise figures to go with. Every article I've seen implies a minimum $299 for the PSP at launch and a maximum $199 for the DS at launch. So while it would be incorrect to talk about exact amounts, it is a reasonable assumption that the DS will be considerably cheaper.
3- I'm going to go you one better: the GBA will destroy the PSP before the DS even gets the chance to try. The GBA is just coming into its prime as these systems launch, and all the problems the PSP has against the DS are even more true against the GBA.
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 07:09:15 PM
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My 20+ years of gaming have taught me three things:
1- Familiarity with nongaming hardware doesn't mean much, if anything. If it did Philips and Panasonic wouldn't have fallen flat.
2- Price is worth talking about even when we don't have precise figures to go with. Every article I've seen implies a minimum $299 for the PSP at launch and a maximum $199 for the DS at launch. So while it would be incorrect to talk about exact amounts, it is a reasonable assumption that the DS will be considerably cheaper.
3- I'm going to go you one better: the GBA will destroy the PSP before the DS even gets the chance to try. The GBA is just coming into its prime as these systems launch, and all the problems the PSP has against the DS are even more true against the GBA.
I'll go lightly here since Bloodworth and Mouseclicker have made some good points. Familiarity with nongaming hardware does mean more than nothing, the key is that Sony is an electronics company, one of the strongest in the world. Gaming is electronics, having some idea about electronics makes it alot easier than having none. My point was that they've had lots of experience with portable devices for decades (cameras, cd players, tvs, computers, pdas, tape players, recorders, phones, etc). That counts for something, it's alot better to have released hundreds of millions of portable devices than none.
I have a strong feeling the price difference will not be $100 or if it is the PSP will include extra stuff like FF7AC packed in (like FFXI HD deal). Sony recently stated that they will be incurring losses on the sale of the PSP for some time so they're definitely pushing a competitive pricepoint.
How is the GBA going to destroy the PSP before the DS even gets to try? The DS is releasing before the PSP...
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2004, 07:25:33 PM
I was aware of Sony's commitment to incur losses at launch on the PSP (Nintendo has stated a similar willingness with the DS for what its worth), but considering most of the early price estimates on the PSP were $400-$500 I figured that would mean $299... Sony is not Microsoft, they aren't going to be willing to sink billions of dollars on this.
If I had to make a prediction I'd say the DS will be $149 and the PSP will be $299... but of course that's merely an educated guess.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 19, 2004, 09:19:44 PM
I don't think who wins has anything to do with who's better, but at the predicted GBP 250 (I think that's from Sony's first presentation of the device, approx. 450 USD) I can see the price impacting Sony's success. Your average "cool" teen already needs money for clothes, alcohol, tobacco and cellphones (more exactly, telephone bills, both cell and normal). Although they are Sony's target audience, the only form of portable games they know are the games on their cell phones. They won't really save up that much money when they already have their parents demand they pay the phone bills and everything. They might be able to convince their parents to buy them a console or handheld, but at that price I don't see parents agreeing.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 19, 2004, 09:33:03 PM
1. At the least Nintendo will have 3 months advantage.
2. Nintendo brand Handhelds own the market place.
3. Battery Life.
4. Touch Pad.
5. GAMES (Sorry but from what ive heard PSP is gonna be port city).
6. Voice Recognition.
7. 100ft lan, plus WiFi compatability.
8. Backwards Compatibility.
9. Developer praise (from what ive heard DS is better, but then again thats what developers been saying about the GCN).
On the other hand PSP:
1. Movies.
2. Music.
3. Larger screen.
4. Awesome Graphics.
5. Joystick.
6. sexier design.
7. WiFi compatability.
Thats about all i can see on PSP upside, and frankly i don't care about the movies cause i can't watch my dvds i have to buy new umd movies, and for music i already have a cd player and mp3 player. The joystick by the way didnt feel all that good (i went to E3). So basically the only real thing that intrests me about the PSP is it's graphics and screen size.
IMO Sony will need to really waste alot of money on advertisements and commercial time because it's gonna be hard to get a mass amount of people to buy a PSP for $299. Heck i think Sony would have a very hard time on it's own competing with the GBA.
I seriously think that Sony has the same uphill climb as Ngage does well to a certain degree anyways. Then again if 25% of the people that own PS2 buy a PSP that would be some trouble for the DS.
Post by: areefer on May 19, 2004, 11:02:26 PM
Post by: HereticPB on May 19, 2004, 11:32:37 PM
Ok, to that one statement this is Sonys first entrance into portable gaming so they wont do as good. Cough Excuse me you do remember that the PS1 was Sony's first time and look what it did. Of course it did have a head start. Which the tables are turned and the DS is first and the PSP is late.
Problem is everybody trusts the name Sony in gaming now days. When people refferred to games in the past they said that would be a cool Nintendo game but now it is wouldn't that be a cool Playstation game!!
Sony is on the brain no matter how you look at it. To me, a die hard Nintendo fan, the PSP just looks slicker than the DS. People now don't care how games look as long as the hardware looks awesome and is so powerful it can burn your eyes out, which creates the cool factor something Nintendo does not have at all.
Ohh look it can play mp3s, oh wow movies too! Despite feelings on mp3s these nifty little files are very high quality. Anything past 128kbps sounds good or near a cd. The movies will come on that new UMD disc format which makes me think of Mini-Disc and look how that took off (it didn't if your wondering). And you will have to buy the same movies again if you already have them on DVD. Which at 20 to 30 dollars is going to anger some people. Why should I buy this again when I have the dvd at home or in my car or a portable and with more quality in video and audio!!
GBA video: interesting they are cartoons and not movies. Cartoons are shorter and can be compressed a lot more than movies without any problems and are placed on a cartridge no moving parts. An average movie of 1.5 hours running off a 6 hour battery is not good. If you are watching a 2 hour movie your gaming time is going to be a lot shorter.
The only thing that will make people notice the DS is if the games are around 20 to 25 dollars. If Sony has portable games at 35 to 50 which will more than likely happen the above looks a lot better.
Of course this would not happen as 3rd party game companies have to take a pay cut and this would not be good for game companies as they have to paying licensening fees etc. So 10 bucks licensing for a game you only get 10 to 15 dollars profit.
I really do not think price matters anymore though in this day and age. PS1 and 2 started at 300 bucks and the flew off the shelves. DS will probably be $99.99 while the PSP will be 200 to a max 350. But who is gonna buy a system with moving parts, low durabilty, and a high price for a portable that can be dropped and easily broken.
I'm sorry if I am all over the place in this post I really have nothing to say but wait and see!
Post by: Chongman on May 20, 2004, 03:11:33 AM
PS1 in no way flew off the shelves when it launched...
I remember unfondly of that day when I though "HAH! good luck sony..." And I rue it.
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Then again if 25% of the people that own PS2 buy a PSP that would be some trouble for the DS.
If 25% of people who own a gba buy a ds.........
and what makes you think they wont?
if 10% of gba users bought at launch, that'd still be one hell of a number, and with a few months head start, momentum will show you what it can do.
Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2004, 05:10:27 AM
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I really do not think price matters anymore though in this day and age.
Good to hear you're doing so well.
Post by: areefer on May 20, 2004, 07:26:16 AM
We all have heard and read enough about the way the ds and psp are built to know that the psp will be more expensive and with that said sony's toughest job is going to be showing consumers that it's actually worth buying over the ds AND that it's going to have a better selection of games and those are going to be two VERY hard things to do because millions of gameboyers trust Nintendo and all of a sudden that's going to change. NOT.
Also history teaches us that the only systems that have had a major impact on the company's first attempt have been in the absence of a major contender and each of these systems took about six months for consumers to really start buying.
1-nes (took video-gaming to new heights after intial skepticisim was pushed aside)
2-gameboy (slow out the gates but once it took off it took off)
3-ps1 (came out about six months after sega saturn which was killed by virtually no 3rd party support)
4-psp (if the above statement applied to the ds sony would be in for a smooth ride but we all know ds isn't going to lack support)
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 20, 2004, 08:32:41 AM
true that would be a large number, and a impressive start for Nintendo too.
I only threw in the comment about "If 25% of people who own PS2 buy a PSP" so i don't look to fanboy, but in the end if u knew me i would be Nintendo Fanboy #1. Although a fan, i try to put some thought as i flame Sony or the occasional Xbox. In otherwords im a intelligent fanboy, lol.
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 10:03:34 AM
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When the ds comes out I believe more than half of the people who own a gba-sp will buy it and about the original ps flying off the shelves, it took about 6 months for that to really happen cause everybody was skeptical and saying it cost too much and the disc would scratch too easy, but as I've said a million times Nintendo waited a YEAR AND A HALF which was totally insane and the original gameboy didn't fly off the shelves at first either but every one since the first one has so here we go again.
We all have heard and read enough about the way the ds and psp are built to know that the psp will be more expensive and with that said sony's toughest job is going to be showing consumers that it's actually worth buying over the ds AND that it's going to have a better selection of games and those are going to be two VERY hard things to do because millions of gameboyers trust Nintendo and all of a sudden that's going to change. NOT.
Actually the PS1 sold 100,000 units in it's first weekend. Heres a quote: "SONY PLAYSTATION SALES EXCEED 100,000 UNITS IN FIRST WEEKEND
- September 9 Was Largest Day in History of Video Game Industry -"
That's pretty impressive, and even more so becaues that was close to 9 years ago when the industry was alot smaller.
Nintendo did not wait a year a a half to release the N64 after the PS1, they waited 1 year and 20 days.
You say millions of Gameboyers will never switch to PSP, well that's what everyone said about PS1 and N64 and PS2 and GC and millions switched in those cases, it's already happened before so why couldn't it happen again?
Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2004, 10:27:51 AM
Put simply, the killer app on handheld systems is (and has been for years) Pokemon.
The PS1 had Battle Arena Toshinden, the PS2 had GTA3... I'm just not sure a handheld racing game and a card-based Metal Gear are reason enough for most people to buy a system.
Graphical superiority isn't nearly as important as Sony is assuming. Every major challanger the Gameboy has faced since its creation has been graphically superior, and they all fell for basically the same reasons: less quality titles and worse battery life. Sony is the one company that should know better... they're defeating the graphically superior Gamecube and Xbox as we speak.
Sony has obviously produced a graphically superior system in the PSP, and might even be able to bring the quality titles to the table (though it remains to be seen)... but they still have the battery life problem, and that's a major hurdle to jump.
I'm not even convinced the DS is going to be a serious challange on the market to the GBA. Oh sure, with its backwards compatibility it will be the "next system of choice" for the GBA crowd (barring a new Gameboy coming out), but its going to need some compelling software to make people switch.
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 10:59:15 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 20, 2004, 11:54:24 AM
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. The PSX's killer app was Final Fantasy VII. Until that game was released the N64 was "winning" the console wars. The only people who bought a Playstation at launch were the hardcore. And even if you bought it at launch I would consider Ridge Racer as the killer app or Tekken if that was available at launch.
And I really don't think the Playstation's head start had really anything to do with it beating the N64. Third parties couldn't make the games they wanted with the N64 cartridge format but they could make them on the PSX so they jumped ship and gamers followed them. That situation is the only way I could see the PSP creaming the DS or even selling better than it. Whether that situation happens or not (after all the cartridge/disc issue is back again) remains to be seen as the two designs both have a lot of unique abilities.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 12:04:24 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2004, 12:04:39 PM
Battle Arena Toshinden was a lot bigger in that regard. It blew away Virtua Fighter and made the PS1 look vastly superior to the Sega Saturn, its chief competitor at the time. It was the default "check this out" graphics demo for the system for quite some time.
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 02:20:05 PM
I remember when PS1 first came out my friend had a party with 20 people there and the titles everyone slobbered over were Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden, and WWF Wrestlemania. The last title was a unique take on wrestling and still my favorite wrestling game to this day even though I don't dig wrestling. I think both Jason and Ian are correct as far as what were killer apps, BAT, RR, and Tekken started the killer app, but FF7 was the big killer app (2 years after launch).
Post by: Chongman on May 20, 2004, 04:06:14 PM
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the DS is closer to release so the development kits were ready earlier.
No, I got the feeling that they recieved kits roughly at the same time due to all the secrecy measures that Nintendo underwent.
Something I really like though is nintendo's aggressiveness and the fact that they're launching this several months before psp. Hmmm...does this remind anybody else of someone else's similar tactic?
Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2004, 04:14:17 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2004, 04:16:27 PM
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 04:49:23 PM
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the DS is closer to release so the development kits were ready earlier.
No, I got the feeling that they recieved kits roughly at the same time due to all the secrecy measures that Nintendo underwent.
Something I really like though is nintendo's aggressiveness and the fact that they're launching this several months before psp. Hmmm...does this remind anybody else of someone else's similar tactic?
Reminds me of Sega who did that with all of their home consoles (master system, genesis, saturn, dreamcast). The Saturn was the best case of this where they scrambled to put it out before PS1 came out, and they were able to get it out a couple months earlier but it ended up being a very bad decision. Anyways Nintendo won't pull a Sega.
But what were all the secrecy measures? I doubt that resulted in developers getting the development kits 6 months later but if you can justify that I would alter my views accordingly.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 20, 2004, 05:14:08 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2004, 08:34:31 PM
As for the GBA crowd migrating, you know, I think they won't move. "ANOTHER handheld? I just bought one last year!"
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 09:50:08 PM
Link-> PSP
Despite that it also brings issues to play that could be detrimental for the PSP, but overall it appears this news is a very positive thing for PSP.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 21, 2004, 05:35:20 AM
Post by: Gamebasher on May 21, 2004, 07:19:19 AM
So of course, Nintendo should be able to keep it´s fanbase and attract even more to it as the NDS releases this year. Afterall, nomatter how beautifull the screen on the PSP, and nomatter how much you can do with it, it is the SOFTWARE THAT A GAMECONSOLE MAKE! And we all know what wonders lie ahead with those games now made possible with the NDS. Nintendo reinvigorates the whole industry, and this is why they get this level of support for it (over 100 companies).
Post by: joeamis on May 21, 2004, 05:51:04 PM
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Same likely goes for the DS.
I find it very surprising for you to say that knowing that you're good with technical stuff. Did you read the entire article? The games for DS were running on the actual hardware while PSP games were run on emulators. Emulators that had 3 times less ram than what PSP will actually have, and no real use of the vector co-processor. Those are huge conditions for the look of the games.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 21, 2004, 06:09:10 PM
And I think KDR is still right in the sense that a lot of the DS games shown at E3 have been under development for a very short period of time (which most likely explains many people's complaints that they seem like "tech demos").
Post by: Bloodworth on May 21, 2004, 09:32:03 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 21, 2004, 11:43:17 PM
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 11:40:46 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 22, 2004, 08:21:10 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 22, 2004, 10:56:44 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 23, 2004, 10:12:30 AM
Not that it matters to me personally, the battery life on the PSP is already unacceptably low as far as I'm concerned.
Incidentally, what is the battery life on the DS? People keep saying its much longer, but I never have seen an actually time attached to it.
I got almost 40 hours of gametime out of the pair of Maxell batteries that my GBA came with.
Post by: joeamis on May 23, 2004, 02:55:41 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 23, 2004, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: odifiend on May 24, 2004, 04:05:55 AM
Do you guys think the PSP will be able to have a game disc stop spinning and then restart spinning like on the gamecube, so you can continue your game, or do you think it will crash upon disc ejection. That could also be a big factor for battery life.
Post by: areefer on May 24, 2004, 06:34:07 AM
p.s. sony just better hope the answers that spread from peer-to-peer are yes to those thrree questions!!!
Post by: jasonditz on May 24, 2004, 07:59:37 AM
Sony's taking a loss on the systems and assuming they'll make it back on the software... that could wind up being worse for them than not selling systems in the first place.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 24, 2004, 09:25:27 AM
Post by: areefer on May 24, 2004, 10:39:08 AM
Sony will fail miserably where all have failed, lack of 1st party exclusives, because no matter how many 3rd parties they bring aboard Nintendo is going to get just as much if not more 3rd party support plus Nintendo's own million selling franchises and that's a heck of alot of armor to crack!!!
Post by: jasonditz on May 24, 2004, 11:05:43 AM
The PSP will provide an example of why combining a graphically superior handheld with a proprietary video player is a bad idea.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 24, 2004, 06:03:32 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 24, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
I wonder though, Nintendo can't always own the market, I wonder when, who , and how Nintendo will lose some real market share.
I seriously think PSP will gain some marketshare like maybe 10-20%, but in around a year or two later after the PSP launch Sony will be like the XBOX in Japan (XboX is actually competing with PSone and WonderSwan Crystal).
Post by: areefer on May 25, 2004, 07:13:42 AM
I believe Nintendo will dominant again in the home-console arena and then we may see a drop-off in gameboy dominance by Nintendo, but I think that'll happen AFTER the ds.
Post by: areefer on May 25, 2004, 07:41:23 AM
Post by: Blackknight131 on May 25, 2004, 11:22:38 AM
SONY will find its audience, the 18-34 yr old male demographic, there can be little doubt. Their marketing will be focused and likely will saturate mediums largely populated by that demographic. When the system comes out, the early adopters will be lining up...and the image of the unit as a sleek, new-age techno status symbol will be enhanced, and I think will have a trickle down effect on slightly younger demographics as well (Little Brother wants the cool things Big Brother has). And this is irregardless of price and battery life...if both those fall in competitive terms with the DS, the market is gonna become hectic.
That said, the DS has a huge and very practical advantage: its releasing at least 3 months earlier in America....that three months can go a long way to stealing the PSP's thunder come its own release. If the image associated with the (hopefully somewhat streamlined) DS becomes people all over having a blast playing networked Metroid Hunters with 16+ people in close and long ranges, and utilizing pictochat functions and maybe even voice communication of some fashion, I think it will convince many people skeptical about the DS to purchase one.
The DS, to me, is a unit that will impress more if you see it and hold it live. Hopefully someone who has been to E3 can verify that. Frankly, I personally think the current design prolly looks better when viewed up close and live....but that does nothing when getting the word-of-mouth around.
-Blackknight131
Post by: areefer on May 25, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
I work in customer-relations for a well known company and one thing I've seen time and time again is that satisfied customers aren't likely to switch brands unless the price is more reasonable, and in the case of up-grading, it has to improve the overall quality of their experience over the brand they're used to immensely, if the price gap is wide.
Bottom line is consumers want all they can get for as little as they can pay for it and there just happens to be millions that love and cherish the fun and excitement that they have gotten from Nintendo's franchises and all itterations of gameboy's till this point and for many the move from gba/sp to ds will be as simple as popping open a coca-cola and that is going to be one tough nut for sony to crack.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 25, 2004, 09:20:32 PM
And to Blackknight131, yes the DS is more impressive once seen, touched, and played. Nintendo said it best when they gave away Those DS shirts to all DS attendees, the shirts read "See it, Touch it, Play it"
IMO, if PSP initial sales go well but the system turns out a dud, then Sony might lose some market share NextGen. Otherwise i feel Nintendo and Microsoft will still likely have a long ways to go to really even compete.
I predict though that with so many ppl now buying GCN for the $99 sale, alot of ppl have now seen what Nintendo is all about and NextGen we will see a vast improvement for Nintendo although probably not numero uno, more like Nintendo 40% share, Sony 50% share, and Microsoft 10% share IMO. Thats if DS goes well and PSP doesn't. And i base Microsoft at 10% only because i feel that if all systems released about the same start or at least without much advantage Microsoft would have trouble selling at all.
I mean think about all the great games coming to GCN late in the cycle. New (mature) Zelda, Metroid, RE4, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario 2, Geist, Killer7, etc.
Post by: areefer on May 25, 2004, 10:36:37 PM
It's quite possible that had sony not swept the rug from up under them we would be staring at the release of the gba right now and not the ds (and who knows where the sp would be) so in a way sony just stepped in and shared the spotlight with Nintendo so while sony has experience being the market leader in home consoles two straight systems so does Nintendo, but sony on the other doesn't have any experience with a handheld gaming system and Nintendo has plenty plus I don't think they will be giving up huge head starts anymore and that may spell trouble with a capital "T" for sony.
Post by: Blackknight131 on May 25, 2004, 11:10:42 PM
On the topic of Nintendo brand name, these days it is becoming for true SONY as well. The days when playing videogames was synonomous with " playing Nintendo" is being (unfortuneately in my eyes) superceded by "playing playstation". And that strong Playstation name will be present in the DS's competitor. I feel that will come to bear some significant weight with gamers of this generation, particularly those weaned on the consoles of the last two cycles.
But what of marketing? I hear many people feel SONY has a powerful and convincing marketing machine....altho personally Im not too impressed by their "live in your world, play in ours" series. It does however, IMO, beat the pants offa the (ugh) "Who are you" commericals and generally most of Nintendo's TV spots in recent times.
Love the new GBASP commercial tho...and E3 seems to hint that Nintendo marketing will be revamped in lines with this "reggie-lution".
-Blackknight131
Post by: areefer on May 25, 2004, 11:37:13 PM
Nintendo needs to bring back the old Get N or get out slogan...priceless
Post by: Blackknight131 on May 26, 2004, 08:02:33 AM
I totally agree Nintendo has a powerful brandname itself. No longer the indisputably most potent name....but it invokes plenty of support nontheless.
So EA was quoted as having not recieved much of anything from Nintendo in terms of next gen console technology, particularly in comparison to SONY and MS...I read it on IGN yesterday, anyway. After Satoru Iwata's bold proclamations, I am so very looking forward to what their Revolution will entail. They seem to be keeping the innovations close to their chest...very much like Nintendo.
-Blackknight131
Post by: areefer on May 26, 2004, 10:28:05 AM
DS will rock!!!
Post by: SuperMario35 on June 13, 2004, 03:21:08 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 13, 2004, 04:01:55 PM
However, the kind of media the DS uses doesn't have an upper limit like optical media does. So it's possible that one day the DS could have the larger sized media.
The N64 and SNES cartridge formats increased about 8x over their life cycles, but the DS media is a new technology, so it's hard for me to say how likely it is that it could meet or surpass the UMD size.
Post by: reverend_tod on June 14, 2004, 01:03:26 PM
GCN has the lowest "muscle" or horsepower or whatever you wanna call it out of any of the three consoles out right now but in fact the games are just fine. I haven't seen that slow anybody down one bit; having a huge disc or cart to make a game lets the designers get sloppy, it doesn't really make a better game.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 14, 2004, 10:27:27 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 14, 2004, 10:29:58 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on June 15, 2004, 12:41:43 AM
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I think N64 games were plenty involving on those cartridges, and how big were thier memories? Even originally?
The N64's base cart size was 32 megabits. The biggest ever N64 cart was 512 megabits, used by Resident Evil 2-64, and Ogre Battle 64 (IIRC). But the larger number of "big N64 games" used 256 megabits.
The 64DD was supposed to deliver 512 megabit disks, with a whopping 304 megabits of that being potentially set aside for writability (Sony's PS2 memory card is 64 megabits), at a low cost, launching shortly after the N64's launch, but after Square and Enix bailed on the N64, the 64DD pretty much died on the drawing board.
BTW, FF7 could've fit on a 64DD disk (or a 512 megabit cart) with absolutely zero compression, if only it didn't have two CDs full of FMV. The PC version of FF7 clearly proves it.
BTW, you could also potentially do multi-disk games with the 64DD, of course.
The GameBoy Advance has a minimum cart size of 32 megabits (BTW, most "big SNES RPGs" were 32 megabits). It's current biggest games are (last I heard) 128 megabits. The biggest cart possible on a GBA is 256 megabits, although the GBA-SP can handle bigger (even though that would be pointless).
The 128 megabit GBA carts came out a while ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 256 ones become available any time now (if they aren't already).
Nintendo has said the DS "cards" will be more than 1 gigabit, but they don't seem to have said if that's the base size, or the maximum size, or just what they think the average will be.
BTW, after 256 megabits, comes 512 megabits (assuming it keeps doubling), and after 512 megabits comes 1024 megabits, which is one gigabit.
Considering that Nintendo is reinventing a second input slot for the DS, it must have some sort of payoff for Nintendo to warrant the extra cost, so you'd think DS cards would have to be significantly cheaper and/or bigger than previous GameBoy carts (which could already be carrying technological "baggage" because of their classic design). And Nintendo said more than 1 gigabit, so I'm guessing that's the absolute minimum. Which would be sweet. I'm just hoping that they're not expensive, but I guess we'll find out about that soon enough.
Edit: According to nintendo.com, Ogre Battle 64 was 320 megabits, and "the second-largest game in N64 history". So it was bigger than 256 megabits, but was some sort of "custom" size, not 512 megabits. RE2-64 was still 512 megabits.
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Post by: Jale on June 15, 2004, 09:09:27 AM
Post by: BlackGriffen on June 15, 2004, 02:34:10 PM
Clicking that link should give you some idea about how much a 1 gigabit (128 MB) SD card costs at cheapest (~$30) to the consumer. The cost to Nintendo should be lower, but it's debatable by how much (~$60 straight from Panasonic).
If you look at the pricing for the various SD car models, the price decrease levels off below the 128 MB card. This suggests a few things to me. First and foremost is that the price of that card is not driven by technological constraints like the higher end ones are, but by profit concerns. It's quite possible, for instance, that the 128 MB cards cost close to same as the 16 MB cards to produce now (I think). If the DS games sell like they should, the economics of scale should come into play and permit even lower costs for these cards.
Nintendo would be stupid, though, to not make lower end cards (at least as low as 256 Mbit/32 MByte) available at lower cost to devs who don't need the space.
It'll also be interesting to see if the SD cards serve as the memory card...
I'm a little antsy about this, though, cause I remember looking at SD card prices when the GC was announced to have SD card compatability (
) and it seems like they weren't much higher than they are now, in spite of Panasonic's roadmaps at the time that pointed contrary. We'll see if the DS gives them enough volume to pick up SD progress.BlackGriffen
Post by: Draygaia on June 15, 2004, 04:40:53 PM
Post by: Chongman on June 15, 2004, 05:59:21 PM
I thought it was stated that DS cartridges would be cheaper to manufacture than gba catridges...
at least that's the impression I was under
Post by: KDR_11k on June 15, 2004, 08:27:17 PM
Post by: Jale on June 15, 2004, 09:39:11 PM
Post by: Berny on June 16, 2004, 09:48:16 AM
Wait...I thought the DS was using miniCDs not carts.... Wow. I'm out of the loop on this one apparently.
Post by: Jale on June 16, 2004, 09:55:57 AM
Post by: norebonomis on June 16, 2004, 02:54:57 PM
Post by: Zach on June 19, 2004, 06:22:48 PM
I think that the ds has a clear advantage on the psp, but I am biased and I can only hope that the population agrees with me.
One thing I want to add is that we still have all of the nintendo games on the ds that I have always loved.
Post by: Berny on June 19, 2004, 07:10:43 PM
Post by: ghostVi on June 19, 2004, 07:37:46 PM
And yes, the DS games will come in carts, not regular flash memory though (e.g. SD), it's a new (cheaper) technology - http://www.matrixsemi.com/ AFAIKPost by: evil intentions on June 19, 2004, 08:04:25 PM
Post by: Chongman on June 19, 2004, 08:38:30 PM
nah, that's not dumb, just simple...
there's more you can do with two screens, or more acurately one regular and one touch screen, than you can do with a traditional one screen portable. It's akin to asking why have and analog stick when you can just use a D-pad...well you can do more with an analog stick, innovate (ever play ape escape?) and create new games based on what the stick can do in comparison to what a D-pad cannot. Of course its a lot broader than that, but the basic point of two screens is to innovate an bring about fresh new gaming opportunities.
that's my take on it at least...
Post by: norebonomis on June 20, 2004, 09:23:02 AM
engaget news linkme
Post by: ruby_onix on June 20, 2004, 11:15:35 AM
PlayStation Portable
Nintendo DS
Post by: evil intentions on June 21, 2004, 07:38:01 AM
I didn't know that the Nintendo DS could let you chat online...did I read that wrong?
"No analog stick makes Game Informer Online very cranky. The PSP features a tiny, sexy little analog stick, making the unit not only even more sexy, but also more user-friendly when it comes to 3D gaming. So far, the DS doesn’t sport an analog stick, which has us worried. "
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Post by: jasonditz on June 21, 2004, 07:04:36 PM
Picto Chat indeed lets you chat online, which is a good thing.
Post by: evil intentions on June 21, 2004, 07:20:33 PM
Post by: jasonditz on June 21, 2004, 07:46:34 PM
E.g., in True Crime, my character is incapable of running forward. Pulling the stick all the way up is only enough to get a walk out of him anymore. He has to run diagonally or sideways, which is a real pain.
Post by: Jale on June 21, 2004, 09:37:41 PM
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Post by: Blackknight131 on June 23, 2004, 12:00:30 AM
Wonder if they are the opinion of "Teh Billeh" =)
I will disagree with several of the points tho (and Im focusing on the DS article, for obvious reasons):
A couple of the gripes dealt squarely with physical design issues of what was underlined to be prototype hardware: for example, the final unit WILL have a notch for the stylus. The DS is basically still in the shop...
I also disagreed with the analog pad comment...the gripe is legitimate, if you think about it from the point of view "OMG, how will I play '3d Super Hunter FX' without analog: the 3d control is gonna suck!". However, and Im not sure if the GameInformer staff has fully absorbed this, but the DS is not about playing the same types of games, only in portable form; thats by and large PSP territory. It really doesnt seem to have been designed just so Nintendo can port over N64 and graphically downgraded Cube games over...it was designed so that new gameplay mechanics/dynamics could be invented and utilized. Would an analog input of some kind be nice? Of course, more input features equals more flexibility...but the DS requires out of the box thinking so GI shouldnt be in too much of a rush to evaluate it from inside the box...
Which is also why I disagree with their gripe about the two screens not seeing enough innovative luv: to me, not every game has to use the two screen feature for fresh new experiences. It is just that: a feature. Maybe some developer based his gameplay design on touch screen and/or voice and/or network play. If the game is fun and well designed, it shouldnt be put down for failing to use the two screens. The DS is about flexibility and OPTIONS. Thats my point of view anyway...I realize however that the name seems to reflect "Dual Screens", and that could totally put pressure on games developers to just throw in some second screen feature.
The article is a fun read tho, y'all should check it out if you havent already...
-Blackknight131
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on June 28, 2004, 07:44:05 PM
Post by: jj984jj on June 29, 2004, 04:45:43 PM
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Originally posted by: HereticPB
Guys it is happening again Sony vs Nintendo CD vs Cartridge.
The PSP UMD can store up to 1.8GigaBytes of digital data. The DS games are on 1 gigabit cartridges thats about 119.21 rounded Megabytes or 128 Megabytes of space.
That is a huge difference!!! We are comparing the DS to the PSP, which should not happen, but it does!
Yeah. they shouldn't be compared. Especially since the next GB might be using another media but will sell an extra component to play older GB games. This was just a rumor I heard so yeah, it could be false. But if you think about it, it also makes somce sense, they made thr DS backwards compatiable because it has the room, and it means the next GB is free of having to be backwards compatiable, or even use cartridges. If this turns out to be true, I think the next GB will be the competetor for the PSP, as it should be.
