Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2004, 05:39:01 PM
apparently two people broke the display case for the PS2, hit eject and stole the disk playing the MGS3 one level demo. They then hightailed it out of the convention center and no one was able to stop them!!
edit: typo
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 16, 2004, 05:44:25 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 16, 2004, 05:44:26 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 16, 2004, 10:18:23 PM
Now that redefines "theft of intellectual property", doesn't it?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 16, 2004, 10:37:15 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2004, 12:55:15 PM
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A guard was quoted as saying "!".
Now that redefines "theft of intellectual property", doesn't it?
lmao
Post by: joeamis on May 17, 2004, 07:31:36 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 17, 2004, 08:14:30 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on May 18, 2004, 01:17:10 AM
They weren't even done using them yet, but they brought the models to E3, and had them in a showcase. Someone pulled a smash-and-grab, and ran off with them.
That sucked. Someone still needed those models. This is just a demo disk. Konami can just pound off another without blinking an eyelid. The only effect of this incedent is that some nerd did something that (as far as he knows) is more exciting than kissing a girl.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2004, 07:20:39 AM
Why not? They always forget.
Post by: joeamis on May 18, 2004, 11:14:09 AM
You can get alot from a demo disc of a title that is not to be released for over half a year. Alot more than you can get from models made for a game. The disc was intended to be played only to a select few, it was not intended to have everything about it including the code used in it to be handed to anyone in the world in this age of the internet.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 11:20:25 AM
Also, Ian's right- Konami has seriously given Nintendo the cold shoulder over the years. Sure, they support the GBA but it's gotten to a point where you're stupid if you don't. Konami may have put effort into Twin Snakes, but remember that Silicon Knights put in even more effort, and that it was Nintendo that asked for a Metal Gear Solid game period. Besides Twin Snakes Konami acts like the Gamecube doesn't exist.
Post by: Uglydot on May 18, 2004, 12:44:12 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 18, 2004, 01:35:32 PM
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so I guess we should just pretend Konami's titles for GBA don't exist and Konami never put any time, effort, or money into MGS:TS? And Konami is not supporting the DS either right?
Gee, forgive me if I don't thank Konami for raking in the cash on the GBA
We get ONE decent console game from Konami and Nintendo has to develop and advertise it. Gee thanks, Konami!
Post by: vudu on May 18, 2004, 02:54:11 PM
Quotei'm not sure if you're thinking it's bad for the same reasons the half-life 2 source code leak was bad, but if so, it's not. the half-life 2 source code could be used to hack into the game to cheat during multiplayer and other companies could use it the feasibly rip off ideas that valve had. neither of these apply to the mgs3 demo disc, so it's not that huge of a deal.
Originally posted by: joeamis
This is not a good thing at all. People may be happy for Nintendo because of a Sony major seller code being leaked but it's bad chiefly for Konami. It's bad for the industry as a whole, I won't go to the lengths to explain why because I'm sure you can put the pieces together. And lets not forget Konami supports N too.
Post by: joeamis on May 18, 2004, 03:46:31 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 18, 2004, 04:04:07 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2004, 06:35:30 PM
It's the reasoning that they ditched the Cube that sucks. Konami DECIDED that the Cube wasn't worth supporting before it was even released yet they supported the Xbox which at the time was the riskier choice. Their support could have helped the Cube but instead they gave us nothing and their self-fulfilling prophesy came true. They said "our games aren't going to sell on the Cube" and then they did everything in their power to ensure that happened. That's just a total "F*CK YOU" to Nintendo and the Nintendo fans that made Konami the success they are.
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 03:08:12 PM
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Joe, you're scrounging for a defense, which you shouldn't have to do if you were right. I used to think Konami was getting close to Nintendo, too, but it's starting to appear otherwise. Face it- Konami doesn't really care about the Gamecube. If they were a big supporter of Nintendo it'd be obvious, and the simple fact that there's a dispute proves Ian's point.
I am not scrounging for a defense at all. I NEVER said I thought Konami was getting close to Nintendo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never said they were a big supporter of the GC. They're a supporter to GBA and the DS. My point is that they could've said no to let a company situated thousands of miles away from them to redo the greatest title they ever made INHOUSE. They had to spend money, time, & effort, and send Kojima to Canada instead of him working on his inhouse games in Japan in that timeframe. They were instrumental in the success of the nes and snes and made games for them because it was the best business decision. Now they're making games for the systems they do for the same business decisions they did before. They made games for XB because it was the most powerful hardware, it's like when car manufacturers make supercars because they want to see how far they can take their ideas to the limit and gain insight for the future lower models. They don't go out of their way to make things suck for the GC & I repeat I never said Konami cared about the GC. You need to stop twisting around what I say and read the things I actually am saying. You act as if I make absolutely no valid points at all, when what I state is painfully obvious.
And when theres a dispute about something it usually doesn't mean that one sides point is proven, it almost always means that theres a dispute for a reason.
Finally Konami supported N64 and they realized their games weren't selling on the Nintendo demographic. Their decision to not support Nintendo was not a F*CK YOU to Nintendo, it was a business decision based on prior experience. You shouldn't put support of one system or another into a personal context its business.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2004, 03:57:14 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 19, 2004, 04:24:23 PM
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Finally Konami supported N64 and they realized their games weren't selling on the Nintendo demographic
lol.
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My point is that they could've said no to let a company situated thousands of miles away from them to redo the greatest title they ever made INHOUSE. They had to spend money, time, & effort, and send Kojima to Canada instead of him working on his inhouse games in Japan in that timeframe.
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You act as if I make absolutely no valid points at all, when what I state is painfully obvious.
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They helped the NES & SNES succeed, without them Nintendo would be less of what it is today with less money to continue to do new things.
cause Nintendo didn't have Mario or Zelda at all
Post by: Uglydot on May 19, 2004, 04:33:06 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 04:50:03 PM
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Finally Konami supported N64 and they realized their games weren't selling on the Nintendo demographic. Their decision to not support Nintendo was not a F*CK YOU to Nintendo, it was a business decision based on prior experience. You shouldn't put support of one system or another into a personal context its business.
Right, a business decision: they release the detestable Castlevania on the N64, and is shocked it sells horribly. Konami then releases an equally bad sequel, Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness, and is shocked to find it sells horribly, too. They blame both games' poor sales on Nintendo and drop N64 support. What a great "business" decision- they shirk the blame as an excuse for ignoring Nintendo.
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And when theres a dispute about something it usually doesn't mean that one sides point is proven, it almost always means that theres a dispute for a reason.
My point is, if Konami really was a supporter of Nintendo there shouldn't be ANY dispute over it at all, because it should be obvious. The simple fact that it's not obvious is a huge blow to your case. Maybe I'm twisting your words around, but if you honestly AREN'T saying Konami cares about the Gamecube, what are you trying to prove? That Konami USED to care about Nintendo? How is that a reason for us not laughing hysterically that the MGS3 demo got stolen? If anything Konami owes Nintendo a great deal- whatever Konami did for Nintendo's business Nintendo did tenfold for Konami's.
In this case, I'm not twisting your words:
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This is not a good thing at all. People may be happy for Nintendo because of a Sony major seller code being leaked but it's bad chiefly for Konami. It's bad for the industry as a whole, I won't go to the lengths to explain why because I'm sure you can put the pieces together. And lets not forget Konami supports N too.
Why the hell should we "not forget Konami supports N too"? Konami USED to support N- Konami no longer cares about N. I'm not complaining about it, I just fail to see why we have to factor in Konami's support of Nintendo's home consoles, especially when it's former support of Nintendo's home consoles.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 19, 2004, 05:28:02 PM
Agreed. The third parties didn't make the NES, the NES made third parties. The NES became a success with an initial lineup of entirely first party games. Later after it was a success Nintendo realized that could make even more money by allowing third parties to release games and pay licensing fees. Nintendo made the NES a success and made companies like Konami rich by giving them the priviledge of making games for it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2004, 05:50:36 PM
The fact Konami didn't put in the polish that Symphony of the Night had also hurt. Had CV64 been released much earlier than OoT, our perception of it could've been more positive.
Incidentally, the game's developer, KCEK (Konami Computer Entertainment Kobe), went on the make the GBA Castlevanias.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 06:06:41 PM
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Incidentally, the game's developer, KCEK (Konami Computer Entertainment Kobe), went on the make the GBA Castlevanias.
Which have subsequently been met with mixed reviews- some say they're incredible, some say they're horrible. I personally love them, but that's beside the point. My reason for bringing up Castlevania was that the reason they sold horribly was because Konami didn't give us any reason to buy them, and then blamed Nintendo for their failure (although that could be true if you're right about OoT, but that's hardly a bad thing).
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 06:38:00 PM
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Finally Konami supported N64 and they realized their games weren't selling on the Nintendo demographic
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My point is that they could've said no to let a company situated thousands of miles away from them to redo the greatest title they ever made INHOUSE. They had to spend money, time, & effort, and send Kojima to Canada instead of him working on his inhouse games in Japan in that timeframe.
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You act as if I make absolutely no valid points at all, when what I state is painfully obvious.
lollercoaster
Dr.Zoidberg way to be a complete A$$..... How can you say that Konami did not put any time, effort, or money into MGS:TS? How is the fact that Kojima is working in Canada for Nintendo instead of in Japan on his own titles just something to laugh about as if it's not a valid point? Then you antagonize me and laugh in my face when I say I've made valid points? What is your problem? Are you trying to piss me off?
Heres a little something you should all know about Konami.....
Titles they've released/plan to for GBA:
Airforce Delta Strike
Boktai
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Contra Advance
Disney Sports Basketball
Disney Sports Football
Disney Sports Motocross
Disney Sports Skateboarding
Disney Sports Snowboarding
Disney Sports Soccer
Frogger Advance: The Great Quest
Frogger Adv.: Temple of the Frog
Froggers Journey: Forgotten Relic
Froggers Adv. 2: The Lost Wand
Gradius Galaxies
KCS: Arcade Advanced
Konami Crazy Racers
Motocross Maniacs Advance
Ninja Five O
Shaman King
Silent Scope
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
WTA Tour Tennis
Yu-Gi-Oh: Dungeon Dice Monsters
Yu-Gi-Oh: Reshef of Destruction
Yu-Gi-Oh: The Eternal Duelist Soul
Yu-Gi-Oh: The Sacred Cards
Yu-Gi-Oh: World Championship 04
Yu-Gi-Oh: Worldwide Edition
Zone of the Enders: The Fist of Mars
Titles they've released/plan to or helped develop for GC:
Disney Sports Basketball
Disney Sports Football
Disney Sports Skateboarding
Disney Sports Soccer
Evolution Skateboarding
Evolution Snowboarding
Froggers Adv. The Rescue
Frogger Beyond
Metal Gear Solid: TS
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
WTA Tour Tennis
Yu-Gi-Oh: The Falsebound Kingdom
Hmm that's 12 GC titles, now how many XB titles were listed? 13
So yea it seems Konami doesn't support Nintendo or the GC afterall...
You'd be surprised how many games Konami actually released for N64...
alot more than 2 Castlevanias....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2004, 06:47:32 PM
METAL GEAR SOLID: THE TWIN SNAKES.
(I'm still a potential customer for Circle of the Moon and Aria of Sorrow, tho).
THANKS KONAMI. YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO SEDUCE MY WALLET.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 07:00:51 PM
But NOW are you trying to say Konami is supporting Nintendo? Is Nintendo really hurt without those games?
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 07:28:49 PM
Some of the games for GC could've been awesome they're not all "kiddie" but they just didn't come out well. I planned on buying TMNT before I read the review.
Post by: Mario on May 19, 2004, 10:19:24 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 19, 2004, 10:21:07 PM
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Dr.Zoidberg way to be a complete A$$..... How can you say that Konami did not put any time, effort, or money into MGS:TS? How is the fact that Kojima is working in Canada for Nintendo instead of in Japan on his own titles just something to laugh about as if it's not a valid point? Then you antagonize me and laugh in my face when I say I've made valid points? What is your problem? Are you trying to piss me off?
I'm trying to sass you on the internet. It's working.
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/me takes zoidbergs lollerskates and lols around the lollerrink.
lucky i have a spare set of lollerblades
Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2004, 12:48:30 AM
Whether they support Nintendo or not doesn't matter, they still deserve to get laughed at.
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 10:39:16 AM
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Dr.Zoidberg way to be a complete A$$..... How can you say that Konami did not put any time, effort, or money into MGS:TS? How is the fact that Kojima is working in Canada for Nintendo instead of in Japan on his own titles just something to laugh about as if it's not a valid point? Then you antagonize me and laugh in my face when I say I've made valid points? What is your problem? Are you trying to piss me off?
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/me takes zoidbergs lollerskates and lols around the lollerrink.
lucky i have a spare set of lollerblades
Dr. Zoidberg go read the forum rules... or atleast make an intelligent post once out of every 50th post you make.
Post by: Uglydot on May 20, 2004, 11:22:08 AM
I would agree that Konomi helped make the NES and SNES what they are remembered for today. Nintendo had some killer games themselves, but many came from third parties such as Konami and Square. Without those games, the NES and SNES would be much different. I can't picture the NES and SNES without Metal Gear or the Turtles games. Damn, I still play those and others.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 11:29:46 AM
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Dr. Zoidberg go read the forum rules... or atleast make an intelligent post once out of every 50th post you make.
If you ask me, people like Dr.Zoidberg are more valuable to the forum than people like you and me, joe- lighten up a little, laugh once in a while. Even when I'm deadlocked in a flameware I still laugh at just about everything Zoidberg and Infernal post. Keeps things in perspective.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2004, 12:37:45 PM
D'oh!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2004, 01:22:13 PM
Rather that then making a clown out of yourself by being serious all the time...You know you're being too serious when Mouse tells you to lighten up... ^_^
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 20, 2004, 01:40:48 PM
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You know you're being too serious when Mouse tells you to lighten up... ^_^
That's going in my signature.
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 02:36:06 PM
I'm gonna be a "clown" now too!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2004, 03:43:15 PM
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 20, 2004, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 20, 2004, 06:37:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2004, 06:55:01 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
I'm gonna be a "clown" now too!
Looks like you've made a good start...
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2004, 08:37:02 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 20, 2004, 09:54:44 PM
I CLAIM THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF LOL
LOL
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2004, 11:09:36 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 21, 2004, 05:57:14 AM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
Bill whats your problem with me? You keep taking potshots at me every chance you get, so why don't you just come out and say what your beef is...
Woah, what? I have never made a potshot at you... :\
That last comment I made was the only thing that resembled one, and that's because I'm slightly disturbed at your negative attitude...
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 21, 2004, 04:13:05 PM
Good!
Post by: Uglydot on May 21, 2004, 04:40:49 PM
Post by: joeamis on May 21, 2004, 06:31:49 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
Bill whats your problem with me? You keep taking potshots at me every chance you get, so why don't you just come out and say what your beef is...
Woah, what? I have never made a potshot at you... :\
That last comment I made was the only thing that resembled one, and that's because I'm slightly disturbed at your negative attitude...
Really, because you made that same comment just a couple of posts earlier...
Why do you think I have a negative attitude...? Because people keep harassing me, and it doesn't help when people like Uglydot spontaneously join in just to be part of the gang.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 21, 2004, 06:38:14 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 21, 2004, 07:17:07 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 21, 2004, 08:06:34 PM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
Really, because you made that same comment just a couple of posts earlier...
Why do you think I have a negative attitude...? Because people keep harassing me, and it doesn't help when people like Uglydot spontaneously join in just to be part of the gang.
I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR. needs more spontaneous gang joining.
Post by: Shift Key on May 22, 2004, 12:17:52 AM
DRZ KNOWS THE SCORE
Post by: Uglydot on May 22, 2004, 02:16:11 AM
I HAD TO FALL TO LOSE IT ALL
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2004, 12:51:25 PM
These boards are all about GAMING, ..... GAMING is all about FUN,
if you can't have FUN when it comes to GAMING, ..... Then maybe you aren't GAMING for FUN!!
so lighten up, and let it go.
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 01:04:35 PM
The rules do not go away when you get emotional. This is your only warning. - Moderator
Post by: Uglydot on May 22, 2004, 04:12:23 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 22, 2004, 08:13:51 PM
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Entertaining at someone elses expense huh. Why the ---- do you tell me to lighten up when you are still mocking me even more so and making me feel like ----?
You're feeling bad because of what some internet nerds you've never even met are saying about you? Screw being off topic, I've got a little life lesson for you joe- ---- what other people think about you! It doesn't matter! All that matters is what YOU think about yourself! Don't let some jerkoff you don't even know make you feel bad! You're allowing them to make you feel bad, and the second you stop caring what other people are saying is the second you start feeling good about yourself. Zoidberg may make jokes about you, and I may mock you, but you have to learn to ignore that and laugh a little! Other people don't matter- if you like yourself, then WHO CARES about them? Your life isn't measured by how other people judge it, it's measured by how YOU judge it.
Though you are giving good advice to a fellow forum user, you do not need to circumvent the language filter to do it. - Moderator
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 08:28:32 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 22, 2004, 08:44:17 PM
Though you are giving good advice to a fellow forum user, you do not need to circumvent the language filter to do it. - Moderator
Sorry about that. - mouse_clicker
Post by: joeamis on May 22, 2004, 09:30:38 PM
Weird it seems you're not able to post the word ----.... unless it's in italics?
The rules do not go away when you get emotional. This is your only warning. - Moderator
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 22, 2004, 11:17:19 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 23, 2004, 12:51:54 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 23, 2004, 06:12:15 AM
And consider the slate clean.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on May 26, 2004, 06:29:56 PM
I'm glad to see that things have been patched up here, but there is no reason for such drama on our forums. This is a place for discussing games and related topics, not for dealing with personal matters or for piling on humiliation or for participating in pointless name-calling. Many online arguments can be attributed to people misinterpreting someone's writing, due to the lack of vocal inflection or social context. People also tend to be more blunt in their criticism when writing online; it follows that you should also be more resilient to what people say about you.
In any case, if you feel that someone has personally insulted you, report it to the moderators. No one, not the insult's recipient nor the other people following the thread, should respond to an insult.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 27, 2004, 11:06:47 AM
This is lame and cool at the same time. I wish people wouldn't wreck and steal stuff at conventions, but that's a pretty impressive feat.
I kind of doubt this will have a big effect on Konami. I think in a worst case scenario, someone will put piece of the game on the internet. I don't think Joe casual gamer will ever even know about it, and Bob hardcore gamer will play through the illegal copy, then go buy the REAL game when it's released.
Post by: Chongman on May 27, 2004, 06:12:03 PM
Dudes...its probably just a pair of dorks who stole it, can't play it, and now are wondering what to do with it...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 27, 2004, 07:14:57 PM
lol
