Post by: akdaman1 on May 14, 2004, 12:55:51 AM
( keep the post long. Dont write jibberish. )
O.K the catagories are -
Greatest graphics
For me the Graphics award is awarded to Resident Evil 4, although Metroid Prime was there I dont really like its art direction. Also Im sure that if Zelda was shown a little bit more that it would have taken the prize.
Runner Up
This award goes to Zelda. I really wanted to put Zelda into first place but not enough of it was shown to pass of final judgement. Awsome art direction and I really believe that this will be the greatest game this generation.
Biggest Suprise
ZEEELLLLDDDDAAA. I really had no idea. I was sick of visiting boards where all they would do is speculate on this. Nintendo totally caught me off guard and I must hand it to them.
b]Runner Up
This must go to 2 games. Advanced Wars - Im really happy with the way this game is coming along and it is along with Geist and Zelda my most anticipated game. Geist - Reading GCA's impressions really had me thinnking what it would be like to play this game. After lots of thought I realised this game will be AWSOME.
Biggest Dissapointment
This award must go to Viewtiful Joe. I was really expecting there to be more changes to the title. I really dont believe that this game should be in devolpment. ( to know why check the e3 thoughts thread in the Trade Show discussion ).
Runner Up
No doubt it has to be the 3rd party support. I cant really remember but was there any games that were announced at E3 exclusive for the gamecube? NO.
Greatest Audio
No doubt this award goes to Zelda. When I first heard the music I peed myself. Classic Zelda music and I love it.
Runner Up
This goes to Resident Evil 4. The sounds in this game really help to intensify the mystery of the villegers. It is really eerie stuff and suits the game very well.
Game of The Show
This goes to Zelda. Even though it was a small video, this is what got me excited most at E3. I really believe that this is Nintendos saviour, it will get all the old Nintendo fanboys back on board.
Runner Up
Geist - The concept of this game make me so ...jiddy. I really love all this possesion nonsense and pray to god that we get it this year.
Most Anticipated Game ( What games do I want after thier showing off at e3 ).
1. Zelda
2.Geist
3.Advance Wars
4.Star Fox
5.Resident Evil 4.
Now I will just add some impressions of some of my most anticiapated games.
Zelda - I really hope that this game takes Zelda into a whole new world. I love the concept of Fighting on a horse and really hope that you can get a lance or something. I also want the storyline to revolve around war which would be really, really cool.
Geist - This game is sounding really cool. The concept is AWSOME. The potential in this game is huge. I really love the idea of possesing beings and animals to get past security. Also the games focus on Puzzle solving as well as shooting is really cool. Lets just hope that the Graphics get cleaned up as well as the controls.
Advance Wars - I really hope that there is a milti-player mode. It would be Awsome if me and my brother are assigned our own little armies and can take out each other. I hope controls are clean and that the story is there but light hearted.
Star Fox - This game has so much promise. I mean playing as Fox on foot with a blaster while being able to get into any vehicle of choice is really exicitng. I hope that the game gets a graphical boost because after beating SFA its hard to see Fox sooo damn ugly.
Resident Evil 4 - I really hope this game isnt as hard as the previous games. I had lots of trouble in REmake and was too scared to play it on my own. I really hope that the storyline doesnt trace back to Umbrella because at the moment the RE series should be over Umbrella.
Other Mentionings
Also at the show I really liked Paper Mario. This year will be really good for the GCN and come next e3 I will be prepared for the Revoloution.
Final Note
To the Mods. I had trouble deciding where to put this. I know all e3 discussions should go into the Trade Show Discussions but I also felt that this could.should be in here where everyone will see it.
Post by: Mario on May 14, 2004, 01:51:21 AM
1. Resident Evil 4 - Incredible. Just look at it, I don't need to explain this.
2. Metroid Prime 2 - Metroid Prime looked awesome, and this looks slightly better!
3. Paper Mario 2 - I love the graphical style, it looks so awesome. The graphics actually make me want to play it.
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda - I never expected Nintendo to actually do this... I REQUIRE MORE INFO AND SCREENS AND MOVIES.
2. Metroid DS - Whoa! Metroid Prime running on DS = SHOCK FOR SOME REASON.
3. Reggie - Who ever knew this guy would kick so much ass? I sure didn't.
Biggest Disappointment
1. Mario Tennis - It looks crap, and won't be released until next year, what the hell are Camelot doing?
2. Nintendo DS - It doesn't float in mid-air, it doesn't have holographic functions, it doesn't have a Pokemon game (yet), it doesn't play music, it doesn't play movies, it doesn't play GameCube games, it looks pretty lame and generic, there's no camera, not enough games shown.
3. Nothing that would make 50 million people want to go out and buy a GameCube. No MEGAT0N.
Best Audio
1. Reggie's voice - It sends shivers down the spines of all who oppose him.
2. Resident Evil 4 - The music in the trailer ROCKS.
3. Starfox - This sounds like Starfox, the techno music in the trailer for this also ROCKS.
Most anticipated games
1. Resident Evil 4 - This may well turn out to be the best game ever. The new trailer is incredible, thank you Capcom!
2. Pikmin 2 - Pikmin rocks, Pikmin 2 will rock harder.
3. Paper Mario 2 - Paper Mario rocks, Paper Mario 2 will rock harder.
4. Viewtiful Joe 2 - See above.
5. Wario Ware DS - This sold me the DS. It sounds incredibly fun, Wario Ware was born to be on DS.
I think this thread is okay, I don't see why it should be locked as long as we're giving our opinions on why we think which game is what.
Oh, and there's still a day of E3 left, I might end up changing my mind.
Post by: akdaman1 on May 14, 2004, 04:34:49 AM
Also with one of your dissapointments you said there were no Never HappeningS ? Zelda. Already I have seen countless posts on PS2 and Xbox boards saying how they want a gamecube now.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 14, 2004, 04:59:03 AM
Best Graphics
1. Zelda - Holy C-sticks! And they still have over a year to improve it.
2. Resident Evil 4 - Just wow. Need I say more?
3. Paper Mario 2 - I love the style. It's adorable!
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda - I'm still shocked.
2. Reggie - He is the new figurehead Nintendo really needed. He's a MAN OF ACTION!
3. Nintendo DS - Wi-Fi and wireless feature.
4. Geist - fresh and new innovative gameplay ideas.
Biggest Disappointment
1. Mario Golf, StarFox and Advance Wars graphics. The GC can do better than that.
2. Lack of new exclusive 3rd party games. Where's Super Monkey Ball 3? (1 more day left of E3, though)
3. People droolin' over the PSP.
4. Tecmo - they degraded themselves even further (see DOA Ultimate trailer O_o).
Best Audio
1. Reggie's voice - When he speaks, you listen. If he talked about onions, it would be interesting to listen to.
2. Zelda trailer - I just love it.
3. Satoru Iwata's Engrish voice! ^_^
Most anticipated games
1. Zelda - C'mon!
2. Resident Evil 4 - I'm looking forward to feeding the President's daughter doggie biscuits!
3. Paper Mario 2 - Looks fun, fun and fun!
4. Geist - A very interesting game. I wanna see thru the eyes of a dog! Bowwow!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2004, 05:28:55 AM
Post by: Mario on May 14, 2004, 05:41:27 AM
Post by: Famicom on May 14, 2004, 05:59:42 AM
Greatest Graphics
1. Resident Evil 4 - Game had this award months before E3 even started.
2. Zelda - Looks a little bit FFCC influenced (S-E hidden director??) but rocks nonetheless.
Biggest Suprise
1. Zelda - Killed the show, hands down.
2. Mario Tennis - Wow...it's gonna play like THAT? (Crazy)
3. Geist - the gameplay sounds pretty nice.
Biggest Disappointment
1. NOTHING new on Killer 7? ARRGH!
2. Mario Tennis - Wow...it's gonna play like THAT? (Too crazy)
3. Star Fox 2 - Too much SFA influence from screenshots...I could live with no land missions at all.
4. DK Treatment - What's with all these Jungle Beat and Konga games?
Greatest Audio
N/A
Game of Show
Zelda - As much as I'd hate to give that award to a trailer, it did wow the pants off of everyone...and when you take away all the sequels and non-exclusives shown, what do you have left? Nothing that touches the next Zelda, that's for sure.
Most Anticipated Game
1. Killer 7 - Hey, it looks like it's gonna have a wicked cool story and some unique gameplay. Plus I'm all for games that improve upon the Cube's perceived image.
2. Zelda - Only doesn't nab my #1 spot because it's due in 2005.
3. Metroid Prime 2 - After reading the roundtable discussion over on IGN, I'm fully convinced this game will kick all kinds of ass.
4. Mario Tennis - The original ranks up there as one of my fav multiplayer games of all time, and while the new one looks totally insane, as long as that insanity play damn good, or theres an option to turn most of that off, I'll be all over it.
5. Tales of Symphonia - I need an RPG fix.
6. Geist - A game where the premise is to f**k with people and posses them? I'm there.
7. Timesplitters Future Perfect - Loved TS2, can't wait for more.
8. Resident Evil 4 - Why so low? Well I hate the RE franchise, so this one only makes the list because it sounds like I'll like it this time around.
9. WWE Day of Reckoning - High expectations for this one.
10 . Def Jam Fight for NY - This one too.
11. Street Racing Syndicate - Haven't played a decent racer in a while (MKDD then...Wave Race, hated Burnout series), looking forward to this one.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 14, 2004, 06:01:49 AM
1. Zelda - especially since they said that's all the game engine
2. Metroid Prime 2 -
3. Paper Mario 2 - Amazing style, great artwork.
I'm not a resident evil fan, so I didn't look at its trailer. Maybe I should.
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda - Need I say more?
2. Probably the interesting DS games, and all the different stuff you could do with the system.
3. The Jungle Beat game - Probably won't get it, but this sounds ultracool.
Biggest Disappointment
1. To be honest, I wasn't severely disappointed, because everything I was interested in looks amazing. I'm kinda bummed out by no more cel-shaded Zelda, but the replacement is enough to make me forget my sorrows. Perhaps Star Fox. . . the controls look a little iffy, and I was hoping they'd improve more.
Best Audio
1. Zelda - I've heard two songs for the trailer, actually. One is the same music used on the old Wind Waker trailer, which is awesome music, and the other is a bit softer, but still pretty good.
2. Resident Evil 4 - I saw it by now, good music.
3. Paper Mario 2 - Rad little remix.
Most anticipated games
In no particular order:
1. Legend of Zelda GCN
2. Metroid Prime Echoes
3. Star Fox
4. LoZ: The Minish Cap
5. Geist
The Four Swords game also looks awesome-neat, and I may get it despite not owning a GBA, much less four.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 14, 2004, 07:44:40 AM
Best Graphics
1. Zelda - I'm not yet sure if it will beat Resident Evil technically, but I like the style better.
2. Paper Mario 2 - I've always loved Paper Mario's style, and it's looking so much better with this game. I hope they sharpen up some of the environments.
3. Resident Evil 4 - Quite likely the best graphics on the system, but the whole horror theme just doesn't appeal to me.
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda - of course.
2. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - looks really cool to me, hopefully the concept works out.
3. Reggie - he is our hero!
Biggest Disappointment
1. Lack of new 3rd party games, exclusive or not. Gamespot has a big list of E3 games, and it's hard to see the GameCube anywhere in there until you get to the first party titles.
2. Reggie. I love him and hate him all at once.
3. Squre Enix...I'd love to see some more of their games on the Cube.
Best Audio
I can't really judge from watching one press conference - most of the music probably wasn't even in-game. The tunes in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong and Paper Mario 2 trailers I saw were cool.
Most anticipated games
1. Paper Mario 2.
2. Zelda
3. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Honorable Mentions for other consoles:
Xbox: Halo 2, Fable, Conker's Bad Fur Day
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2004, 08:30:24 AM
1. Zelda
2. Metroid Prime 2
3. Paper Mario 2
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda
2. Nintendo DS
3. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (looks hot)
Biggest Disappointment
1. PSP (holy crap it's worse than I thought)
2. Toon-shading will never come again
3. No music in the Mario Tennis trailer
Best Audio
1. Starfox's techno track...Just awesome
2. RE4 trailer music
3. Paper Mario 2
Most anticipated games
1. Zelda X
2. Zelda: The Minish Cap
3. Four Swords +
4. Tales of Symphonia
5. Starfox
6. Paper Mario 2
7. Mario Tennis
(And everyone who thinks "graphics" can be a disappointment can piss off in my books)
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 14, 2004, 08:59:39 AM
1. Legend of Zelda - I saw the forst scene, and almost died. Then I got a good look at the detail on Links outfit... Amazing.
2. Resident Evil 4 - Dark and gritty, I couldn't get over how awesome some of the characters looked.
Honorable mention - Halo 2 and Metroid Prime: Echoes
Biggest Surprise
1. Zelda - Goes with out saying.
2. Nintendo DS - I've never been so enticed by a handheld and that surprises me. Can't wait for it.
Honorable mention - Super Mario Bros. DS A 2D Mario? Woo! (I know it is rendered in 3D)
Biggest Disappointment
1. Devil May Cry 3 - Why the hell is Dante's bloody shirt open? I HATE that.
2. Squenix - Final Fantasy XII is not appealing to me yet and they didn't show anything new for Nintendo.
Honorable mention - The PSP, cluttered interface, low battery life, disc media, and high cost. Blech.
Most anticipated games
1. Legend of Zelda GC
2. Super Mario Bros. DS
3. Geist
4. Fire Emblem: Trail of the Blue Flame
5. Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
6. Metroid Prime: Echoes
7. Four Swords Adventure
8. Halo 2
Legend of Zelda - What can I say? I'd list the reasons I don't wan this game, but there are none.
Super Mario Bros. DS - I've been waiting for a 2D Mario for so long... it looks outstanding, I just hope there are some new items to play around with.
Geist - This one just looks AWESOME, I mean the concept is brilliant. I can't wait to get my hands on this one.
Fire Emblem - One has only to read my posts regarding ANY Fire Emblem to understand how much I want this one.
Legend of Zelda: TMC - I love the concept of a minature world, I've always love that idea.
Metroid Prime: Echoes - More Metroid goodness with multi-player? Can't complain about that! I just hope the multi-player works out.
Four Swords Adventure - If the DS can be used in place of the GBA this one is for sure... otherwise I'm not 100% sure.
Halo 2 - As long as there are no more flood I'm sure this one'll be really good.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 14, 2004, 11:29:55 AM
Legend of Zelda (GCN) - Was anyone expecting this? Best moment of E3
Nintendo DS
Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (DS) - This just looks plain old fun
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (GCN) - I may have to get one of those bongos now
Biggest Disappointment:
No Mario vs. Donkey Kong
No playable Mario Tennis and just how poor Mario Tennis looks right now
Star Fox 2 - Just bleh
DS controls - how about stereo sound? or maybe an analog stick?
Best Graphics:
Legend of Zelda (GCN) - This just looks great
God of War (PS2) - It looks good already and it could turn out better with the early 2005 release date
Resident Evil 4 (GCN) - Even with the greater emphasis on action this looks scary
Metroid: Hunters (DS) - Wow
Most Anticipated:
Paper Mario 2 (GCN)
Madden 2005 (GCN)
New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
Super Mario 64 x4 (DS) - This better turn out more than just a demo (as should alot of the DS "demos")
Legend of Zelda (GCN)
Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA)
Mario Pinball (GBA) - it looks more than just a gimmick
Post by: Skyman_Welks on May 14, 2004, 01:32:56 PM
Legend of Zelda (GCN) - "WOW"
Resident Evil 4 (GCN) - Capcom is doing a great job with this one
Paper Mario (GCN) - I love graphics that break away from the norm
Biggest Surprise:
The Legend of Zelda (GCN) - My god...... I was so shocked..... I could not stand still after reading and seeing it
Nintendo DS - I was worried about this new device, but it turns out I am very impressed with its capabilities
The Legend of Zelda: The Minnish Cap (GBA) - What kind of cap is that? Is that a bird head or what? Anyways, I can't wait to play this game and see all the new items and tools
Biggest Disappointment:
No new Kid Icarus??? It makes me want to cry... so many predictions that it would be unveiled... I had my fingers crossed that the news would come each day. I also would have liked to see a glimpse of mario 128. That's really all for me...... I had many other hopes, but most of them weren't realistic. If a new Kid Icarus would have been announced.... I would never have forgotten this year's E3, and in my opinion it could never be topped.
I cannot stress this point enough!
Most Anticipated:
Paper Mario 2 (GCN)
The Legend of Zelda (GCN)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA)
Metroid Prime 2 (GCN)
Geist (GCN)
Paper Mario 2 - I never played the first game for the N64, because I just recently got into RPGs, but I know a lot of people loved the original so I am really excited to play this!
The Legend of Zelda - no matter what it looks like or how it's played I will always long for the release of the next chapter in this series. I can't wait to see what the main concept is for this game. (i.e. controlling time, wind, etc..)
Not to get off topic but it looks like Link lives in a barren world that's overrun by armies of evil. Maybe there was a war and the Hylians lost. Then, Link will acquire an item that will allow him to call on the souls of the dead hylian soldiers. Then they will assist him in battle.
The Legend of Zelda: The Minnish Cap - Again, it's a new zelda game and it looks great!
Metroid Prime 2 - At first I wasn't too interested but I absolutely love the story of this game, with the dark and light areas.
Geist - interesting and original concept. I can't wait to play this one.
Edit: Disappointment
Where were Silicon Knights?
Post by: akdaman1 on May 14, 2004, 02:44:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Skyman_Welks
Best Graphics:
The Legend of Zelda - no matter what it looks like or how it's played I will always long for the release of the next chapter in this series. I can't wait to see what the main concept is for this game. (i.e. controlling time, wind, etc..)
Not to get off topic but it looks like Link lives in a barren world that's overrun by armies of evil. Maybe there was a war and the Hylians lost. Then, Link will acquire an item that will allow him to call on the souls of the dead hylian soldiers. Then they will assist him in battle.
LOL. Sounds like ROTK all over again.
About Silicon Knights. Something BIG is happening down there. Dyack was at Konamis press confrence but nothing was announced. I actually believe that Konami bought out Silicon Knights and are having them focus on the GCN. Either that or Silicon Knights have become first party devolopers for Nintendo and are working in collaberation with Konami on a huge game ( most likley Too Human). Silicon Knights probaly need some help with their game. Having Kojimas advice etc would really help them out. I mean Kojima is the only devolper who is Allowed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Miyamoto. Doesnt sound too farfecthed ey ?
Also GCA have a vote for most anticiapted game after e3. It seems like TOS and RE4 are thrashing the compettion while the Donkey KOng games are having thier asses handed to them.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2004, 03:27:32 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on May 14, 2004, 03:47:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill
Tip of the day: Most Nintendo "fans" are clowns...
Whats that supposed to mean?
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 14, 2004, 04:14:32 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on May 14, 2004, 07:34:45 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 15, 2004, 01:07:22 AM
QuoteI'm afraid so. You've gone out on two major tangents based on the appearance of one person at a conference. One of them involves SK handing over control of their direction and development to a major third party (which would be stupid considering their reputation earned with ED and what Dyack wants to do - re-evaluate the direction the company is going) and the other involves them having a "best-buddy" relationship with Nintendo (when you cosider the separation announcement a while ago, you couldn't possibly contradict fact more than that).
Doesnt sound too farfecthed ey ?
In short, don't wait for 2Human to make it to GC or 'Revolution' because the best time to announce anything has just passed for SK and Nintendo.
Post by: akdaman1 on May 15, 2004, 02:34:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: ShiftyQuoteI'm afraid so. You've gone out on two major tangents based on the appearance of one person at a conference. One of them involves SK handing over control of their direction and development to a major third party (which would be stupid considering their reputation earned with ED and what Dyack wants to do - re-evaluate the direction the company is going) and the other involves them having a "best-buddy" relationship with Nintendo (when you cosider the separation announcement a while ago, you couldn't possibly contradict fact more than that).
Doesnt sound too farfecthed ey ?
In short, don't wait for 2Human to make it to GC or 'Revolution' because the best time to announce anything has just passed for SK and Nintendo.
Hmmm ...yeah thought so. Well do you mind adding your thoughts on the awards?
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 15, 2004, 02:48:46 AM
I've not seen much besides what was shown at the conference.
I'm not gonna even TOUCH the Sony and MS conference - I won't touch em with a stick, since Nintendo rocked them both.
Greatest Graphics
Definitely Resident Evil 4. It looked a little bland at first, but when the trailer got to the monks in the temple with debris flying everywhere and the massive ogre, that was droool.
Greatest Graphics Runner Up
Zelda. No doubt about it. Not bad for an early demo. But for something that will be released THIS year, I'd say Paper Mario 2. The clarity and smoothness of the graphics is astounding.
Biggest Surprise
REGGIE of course!!
Oh, and Zelda too
Biggest Surprise Runner Up
The Sony PSP. They are STILL going to bring it out, despite having seen and quivered over the coolness of the Nintendo DS.
Biggest Disappointment
Sony and their PSP.
Biggest Disappointment Runner Up
Microsoft for Halo 2 (Metroid 2 sh*ts on YOU) and Temco for lowering their standards in the DOA Ultimate trailer.
Greatest Audio
Zelda and Starfox for the trailer music. Very epic.
Greatest Audio Runner Up
Resident Evil. The rock song was awsome, and the game is still freaky.
Most Anticipated Games
- Zelda
- Star Fox
- Resident Evil 4
- Metroid Prime 2
- Baiten Kaitos (It just looks really cool. I'll see if I really want it soon)
- Paper Mario 2
Post by: Shift Key on May 15, 2004, 02:57:34 AM
QuoteNah, just making a point. I really haven't seen much of E3 this year apart from catching news from PGC, so I won't comment on that. Nintendo did put on a good show, Mario 128 was a noticable absentee, that's my two cents.
Well do you mind adding your thoughts on the awards?
Post by: akdaman1 on May 15, 2004, 02:59:30 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
Most Anticipated Games
- Zelda
- Star Fox
- Resident Evil 4
- Metroid Prime 2
- Baiten Kaitos (I just looks really cool. I'll see if I really want it soon)
- Paper Mario 2
Dont overestimate yourself.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 15, 2004, 03:12:29 AM
edited.
Post by: Shift Key on May 15, 2004, 03:13:28 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 15, 2004, 03:22:43 AM
Rampage: World Tour (featured on the Midway Arcade Treasures 2 disc)
Graphics runner up:
Sony's pie charts.
Biggest surprise:
Microsoft focusing on Halo 2. Really, I never saw that one coming.
Surprise runner up:
Berto, running towards the DS.
"Who was that masked man? I was surprised!"
"It was Berto"
"He's playing the DS!"
Go man, go! =D
Biggest sad face maker:
Sega. God. MATRIX? NO SMC + FOOTAGE? NO ANYTHING.
Sad face maker runner up:
Silicon Knights. olol more like Silly-con.
Greatest audio:
Everybody wetting their pants at the same moment as they realize what they're watching is the new Zelda. FLOOD!
Greatest audio runner up:
Swords bleeding.
Games things I's wants:
- Frogger on PSP.
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 15, 2004, 05:38:49 AM
Reggie.
Graphics runner up:
Reggie's clothes.
Biggest surprise:
that e3 didn't crumble under the weight of Reggie's power.
Surprise runner up:
i was surprised that Reggie didn't bite the head off a bat onstage.
Biggest sad face maker:
actually yeah Sega ;______;
Sad face maker runner up:
e3 didn't have enough subtle litterary references, oh wate, actually, STILL SEGA ;___________________________;
Greatest audio:
Reggie's voice
Greatest audio runner up:
ONRINE, OOOONRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE
Games things I's wants:
Pie Chart Simulator for PSP. oh and Advent Calender Children oh what? it's not a game? oh
:reggie:
:reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: :reggie: Post by: Bill Aurion on May 15, 2004, 07:31:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: akdaman1
Unless I got the wrong picture you hate this thread. If you dont like it then get out.
Yeah, you definitely got the wrong picture...Want to try again? ^_^
Post by: Gamecubivore on May 15, 2004, 08:49:24 AM
BEST GRAPHICS (technical):
Conker: Live and Reloaded
Resident Evil 4
Fable
Runners-up
Metroid Prime 2
Halo 2
BEST GRAPHICS (artistic):
Baten Kaitos
Killer 7
Paper Mario 2 (I'm a sucker for this style)
Runners-up
Fatal Frame 2
Legend of Zelda
BIGGEST SUPRISE
The DS is quite alright! I thought there was going to be some sort of lame catch but it seems all is ok in the land of Nintendo handhelds
Runner-up
The Legend Of Zelda. . . Somewhat suprising.
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is. . . fun? Suprised me!
BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT
No word on Silicon Knights = they've become third-party.
Runner-up
Sega's "big" announcement
BEST AUDIO?
I don't think E3 is a place to judge audio at.
MOST ANTICIPATED GAMES
The Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy XII
Resident Evil 4
Animal Crossing DS
Tales of Symphonia
Fable
Baten Kaitos
Metroid Prime 2
Post by: akdaman1 on May 15, 2004, 12:56:10 PM
Ummmm Bill ...lets see you think we all have stupid decisions so you call us clowns ?
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2004, 01:08:49 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 15, 2004, 01:50:31 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 16, 2004, 08:33:25 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 16, 2004, 09:25:03 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on May 16, 2004, 11:48:58 AM
Im not a fan of the Xbox and can care less for EA.
With Sony the only thing that impressed me was the DS.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 16, 2004, 02:18:35 PM
Clearly you putting those two words in the same sentense was a mistake.....
Since Sony dominates the market, I didn't see how showing that they did AGAIN was going to impress anybody. Investors, maybe, but for gamers, all we needed to know was that Sony dominated again. Thats it.
All that market share and financial stuff really isn't too interesting.
I think Nintendo just came out on top due to sheer content and pant-filling factor.
Who would have thought that MS wasn't going to show Halo 2? The thing is, there really isn't too much to show anyway, since Bungie brings out a weekly/fornightly/monthly/whatever online report about the progress of the game.
And yay, ANOTHER Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo game? Considering that the only thing you can really add to those games is more violence and newer car models respectively, there really isn't much difference. And while MGS3 sounds really cool, I think the games are dragging on (if you don't know, yes, they are continous, so you have to have played MGS1 and MGS2 to get whats going on in MGS3 - there's a question before you begin MGS2 asking if you've played MGS1. If no, then the game changes bits around so nothing gets spoiled. So imagine what they'd have to cut out and change in MGS3 if someone hasn't played 1 and 2).
So Nintendo wins.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 16, 2004, 05:22:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: akdaman1
I mean Kojima is the only devolper who is Allowed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Miyamoto.
Don't forget Yu Suzuki!
Quote
Originally posted by: akdaman1
With Sony the only thing that impressed me was the DS.
Whoa! I didn't know Sony was behind the DS!
MEGAT0N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 16, 2004, 05:31:59 PM
Quote
I mean Kojima is the only devolper who is Allowed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Miyamoto.
Hey, I love Kojima, but the only thing he's really done is Metal Gear- it's a magnificent series, but to say he's the only person allowed to be mentioned in the same breath as Miyamoto is crazy. What about Will Wright? What about Peter Molyneux? What about Yuji Naka? What about the aforementioned Yu Suzuki? What about Gunpei Yokoi? What about Shigesato Itoi? What about Alexy Pajitnov? What about Sid Meir? Hell, what about Nolan Bushnell? There's a lot of great game designers out here, akdaman- Kojima and Miyamoto aren't the only ones.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 16, 2004, 05:35:43 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 16, 2004, 05:38:23 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 16, 2004, 09:11:37 PM
oh i almost forgot
Quote
Hey Zoidberg be serious about your posts
Post by: akdaman1 on May 16, 2004, 10:15:00 PM
Ummm Kojima has made quite a few games. He also made the ZOE series which to me is up there with VJ and Dark Cloud as the best this generation.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 17, 2004, 03:24:24 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on May 17, 2004, 11:58:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
He made ZOE........... okay. I guess that's kind of cool. Alexy Pajitnov made Tetris- that alone was more influential than anything Kojima has done. We won't even get into people like Molyneux or Wright who spew forth innovation whenever they talk. Kojima's an amazing game designer, but Metal Gear and ZOE doesn't make him as great as Miyamoto.
Yeah probaly so. I got a bit carried away. Sorry.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2004, 12:33:20 PM
I think a lot of designers get a reputation for being an elite developer when they really only have shown brilliance on one of two games and don't have any consistency. Remember when people were making John Romero out to be this amazing game design genius when all he had ever really done was made Doom? Yuji Naka for example gets tons of praise but he's REALLY inconsistent. Sure he made Sonic and NiGHTS and some cool quirky Dreamcast games like Samba de Amigo but he has a really hit-or-miss track record. A lot of his games have huge problems with controls and cameras like the 3D Sonic games, Burning Rangers, PSO and Billy Hatcher. He's still pretty good but when you buy one of his games you're not assured quality.
Actually I find most acclaimed developers are great until people start hyping them up. Once a guy is considered hot sh!t he usually starts to release some real dogs. Shiggy has managed to beat that curse pretty well.
One thing that bugs me is when PC designers put their name in the f*cking title. I don't care how good a designer Sid Meier is, putting your name in the title is pure egotism. If you want to put "a Joe Smith game" on the package that's fine just don't put it in the title. If I was a game designer even if I had made 10 games that all sold millions of copies and were critically acclaimed I still wouldn't put my name in the title. The fans would know it was my game anyway and I wouldn't feel right about it since Shiggy is too humble to do so.
Post by: Shift Key on May 17, 2004, 10:26:26 PM
QuoteGOLD!
He's the f*cking George Lucas of videogames
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 18, 2004, 04:28:19 AM
Quote
He's the f*cking George Lucas of videogames.
this needs quoting again for excelence.
-A Tom Clancy Game
Post by: joeamis on May 18, 2004, 10:13:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
And yay, ANOTHER Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo game? Considering that the only thing you can really add to those games is more violence and newer car models respectively, there really isn't much difference.
So Nintendo wins.
Um you should read the brand new Game Informer magazine that just came out. Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is going to revolutionize the series... There is so much being added to the game and so many improvements that you would never have thought of. I've never been a big fan of GTA but the new one sounds like it will be amazing. Just go read the article trust me. As for GT4 alot is being added to that game too, not just newer car models. The game now has 50 tracks (more than double that GT3 had), over 500 cars, several innovative new modes of play, cars from as far back as the year 1886, online play, and a new revolutionary G-force meter which will up gameplay significantly.
So please research the games before making claims.
Post by: joeamis on May 18, 2004, 10:36:22 AM
Runner up: Killzone (everything about it looks nice and I like the art direction)
Biggest Surprise: Zelda (didn't expect a grown up Link until Revolution)
Runner up: Advance Wars GC (man this game sounds like fun and it looks good too)
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (a sidescroller platformer played using the Konga Drums!? Innovation & Fun)
Biggest Disappointment: The DS not having any analog control?! WTF?!!!!!!
Runner up: Having to use the stylus to aim your shots in Metroid Prime Hunters, no thanks no thanks
Greatest Audio: Couldn't hear any of the audio well in the movies I watched.
Game of the Show Unplayable: Zelda
Game of the Show Playable: Resident Evil 4, Xenosaga II
Most Anticipated Game ( What games do I want after thier showing off at e3 ).
1. Xenosaga II
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Zelda
4. Killzone
5. Neo Contra
6. GT4
7. Starfox 2
8. Geist
9. Advance Wars
10. Super Mario Bros DS
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 18, 2004, 08:25:33 PM
Quote
To me Kojima is vastly overrated. Basically all he did was create Metal Gear Solid and suddenly he was one of the best game designers of all time. Aside from that one game and the original Metal Gear he hasn't really made anything worthy of Miyamoto-like praise. To me he's a creative guy who seems more interested in making movies than games that's gotten lucky a few times. He's the f*cking George Lucas of videogames.
Thank you! I've never understood gamers' fetish with Kojima... MGS was very good, he deserves some praise for that, but MGS2 sucked and ZOE was only good. It always makes me sick when he's advertised as being in the same league as Miyamoto. He doesn't even come close. He hasn't even achieved Naka or Mikami status if you ask me, they're both far more accomplished than he.
Quote
He's the f*cking George Lucas of videogames.
I love that, LOL.
Post by: Mario on May 18, 2004, 10:22:26 PM
Quote
Having to use the stylus to aim your shots in Metroid Prime Hunters, no thanks no thanks
Huh? What the hell is the point of Metroid Prime on DS if all it adds is a map on the top screen? I'll take using the stylus over a clunky d-pad anyday.
Quote
And yay, ANOTHER Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo game? Considering that the only thing you can really add to those games is more violence and newer car models respectively, there really isn't much difference.
So Nintendo wins.
More like ANOTHER Zelda and Metroid and Mario and Pokemon and Donkey Kong game? What could possibly be added to those games as well? Hmmmm
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2004, 10:52:20 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2004, 11:06:52 PM
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 03:55:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Having to use the stylus to aim your shots in Metroid Prime Hunters, no thanks no thanks
Huh? What the hell is the point of Metroid Prime on DS if all it adds is a map on the top screen? I'll take using the stylus over a clunky d-pad anyday.Quote
Who said if a game doesn't use the stylus for shooting all it can have without that is just a map on the top screen?
They can come up with other innovations. That's also why in the same post I said my disappointment of the show before that runner up one was that the DS did not have analog control.
Being a big fan of GT I know everything there is to know about GT4, and I urge people to read about the new innovations they're adding to the game before you downplay it. They even have a picture making mode with tons of features to it, it's a quirky new feature never before incorporated in a game the way it is. Another huge thing is the G force meter. You can have as many features in a realistic game as a fantasy game, it just depends on how you go about 'defining' features.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 19, 2004, 04:08:51 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2004, 04:10:59 PM
Post by: joeamis on May 19, 2004, 06:49:30 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 23, 2004, 02:52:50 AM
QuoteAhahaha, I've been downplaying it since #1. So there
Being a big fan of GT I know everything there is to know about GT4, and I urge people to read about the new innovations they're adding to the game before you downplay it.
After reading IGN's hands-on of GT4, I haven't changed my mind:
QuoteYou can throw as many cars or features as you want at it, but it boils down to the fact its just a 'realistic' racer, because of the limits of the PS2 to handle crashes (admittedly it shouldn't happen if you are a good racer, but that is my favourite part of racing against a human opponent - bumps and crashes).
Still, no damage, sorry. One thing you won't be able to do is flip the car. Kazunori insists ... if the cars are to flip, they are to do it with real physics. The PS2 is being pushed to the limit and there's no room to include additional information to get the cars to react they way they should ...
QuoteA fat-o-meter and larger maps? That's hardly revolutionary. Its different and an additional feature - that's all.
The changes made to GTA: San Andreas are going to revolutionize that series, singularly.
Post by: akdaman1 on May 23, 2004, 11:34:42 AM
Nothing is even known about it yet.
Post by: joeamis on May 23, 2004, 03:25:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: ShiftyQuote
Ahahaha, I've been downplaying it since #1. So thereQuoteA fat-o-meter and larger maps? That's hardly revolutionary. Its different and an additional feature - that's all.
The changes made to GTA: San Andreas are going to revolutionize that series, singularly.
What's wrong with realistic racers? They are alot harder to make than arcade racers. They don't include crash damage because the car companies won't let them, sure other companies have but they've had like 10% of the cars that GT4 has so they have less companies to negotiate with.
If you think a fat-o-meter and larger maps are the innovations I was talking about you're in for a surprise because I don't see those as big innovations. The IGN article barely touched the surface of the Game Informer feature.
Post by: Shift Key on May 23, 2004, 05:47:19 PM
QuoteThen its not really a realistic racer then am i rite?
They don't include crash damage because the car companies won't let them, sure other companies have but they've had like 10% of the cars that GT4 has so they have less companies to negotiate with.
Simpsons Hit and Run had the Ferrini, that must make it a semi-realistic racer.Of course GT has had more licensed cars - Sony pays to use models of these cars on the condition that the car stays in mint condition while on the track. What a bunch of paranoid freaks! If some idiot wants to go and drive like a maniac on the road and then blame it on a racing game, he deserves to be thrown in jail. If I hit the wall in a race, I want to know I did wrong by the car being totalled. Because ITS A GAME PEOPLE! I want to see my car after the win, sporting battle scars - scratches down the side, dodgy suspension, or heaven forbid that there are some dents in the million-dollar Ferrari. That's the most annoying thing I've come across with GT4, and the fact that they're emphasizing all the awesome graphics without considering any real-world effects on the cars gets a boo-urns in my book.
And that's why Burnout is still my preferred racer - it may not be more realistic, but its an absolute blast to nudge your mate into a semi-trailer at the intersection, and then see the resulting pileup of cars as you zoom past. And don't get me started about Crash Mode - BEST. MULTI. RACING MODE. EVER.
QuoteOMG WHAT A SMALL RESPONSE. CAN I BEAT IT? HERE GOES...
Dont downplay GTA San Andreas yet.
no
Post by: joeamis on May 23, 2004, 06:43:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: ShiftyQuote
Of course GT has had more licensed cars - Sony pays to use models of these cars on the condition that the car stays in mint condition while on the track. What a bunch of paranoid freaks! If some idiot wants to go and drive like a maniac on the road and then blame it on a racing game, he deserves to be thrown in jail.
That's not the reason why they don't include damage, it's because the car companies won't let them because they don't want their cars to be shown damaged in any way. Of course I don't agree with that either I think it's hogwash. It's like not showing blood when a person gets injured in a fighting game etc. Burnout's crash mode is alot of fun, I can't wait for Burnout 3 as well it's gonna rock. As for the 2nd comment I agree with what akdaman said, if you get a chance read the feature in Game Informer, GTA 5 is gonna make Vice City look like s*** in all aspects.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 23, 2004, 06:53:49 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 23, 2004, 06:55:10 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 23, 2004, 09:32:20 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on May 24, 2004, 01:24:11 AM
I dont blame SCEA for not having a real time damage engine thing. Its not thier fault. The companies dont want to see thier cars trashed.
Post by: Shift Key on May 24, 2004, 02:10:03 AM
QuoteOne of the heads of the game design says the PS2 is pushed to its limit without having any damage physics in GT4. I believe that, but I don't think its the only reason why its missing.
I dont blame SCEA for not having a real time damage engine thing.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 24, 2004, 03:15:53 AM
Quote
One of the heads of the game design says the PS2 is pushed to its limit without having any damage physics in GT4. I believe that, but I don't think its the only reason why its missing.
I've also read that the hubcaps in Gran Turismo 3 are 2D when they don't have to be 3D.
Post by: Shift Key on May 24, 2004, 04:44:12 AM
QuoteMakes sense, but they're just hubcaps. GT4 has fully modelled people on some tracks in addition to the detailed models they are showing, which makes me think they have their priorities wrong. That or the carmakers have carrots where the sun don't shine.
I've also read that the hubcaps in Gran Turismo 3 are 2D when they don't have to be 3D.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 24, 2004, 09:03:41 AM
That makes sense but it's the wrong approach to game design and is exactly the problem with most of Sony's first party efforts. By sacrificing car damage for official car designs and names they're sacrificing gameplay for flash. Nintendo and Sega would never have done that with their first party titles. Gameplay is the most important thing and a good developer would never regard something as superficial as official car designs worth restricting gameplay for.
That's ultimately the problem with games targetted towards casual gamers period. EA does the same type of stuff. When making a new Bond game what are the new "features" they hype up? They make a big deal about how they have famous actors providing voices and lending their likeness to the game and how they have a brand new Bond song for the opening sung by a famous singer. Well that's all fine and good but have they made a better game than Goldeneye yet? Nope because gameplay isn't their main focus. Look at Enter the Matrix for a very blatant example. The big deal with that game was that it had exclusive movie footage and was made under the supervision of the film's creators and it filled in the gaps in the story. Oh yeah and it played like ass only they didn't advertise that. Still sold well though thus giving the industry the message that we're all naive fools who will buy a sh!tty game because it's based on a popular license and has a lot of superficial flash.
Anyway that all ties in to Gran Turismo because Sony has shown developers that it's okay to take that approach to game design and have taught their fanbase to buy it which has a negative ripple effect throughout the industry.
Post by: akdaman1 on May 24, 2004, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2004, 11:35:23 AM
Post by: joeamis on May 24, 2004, 09:11:29 PM
As for GT4, knowing alot about the creator Kazunori Yamauchi, he lives and breathes cars and he would never dream of taking away the car licenses to include damage (something that doesn't happen often in Gran Touring racing). His testament to authenticity regarding car models and their history will be evident in what he always wanted to include in Gran Turismo games, the new 'History Feature' in GT4. He's even gone so far as to include real cars as far back as 1886. He has said numerous times that car damage is something they're looking into. Obviously he wants to include it, is negotiating with the companies to, and has said he really hopes they will be able to include it in GT5.
Furthermore it is not a Sony/Sega/Nintendo thing at all. Polyphony Digital is completely separate from Sony and is really a 2nd party. Sega actually has sacrificed car damage for official vehicle designs on numerous occasions (their arcade games). Gran Turismo is not targetted towards casual gamers, the game is very complex, the reason so many casual gamers buy it is because it's a AAA title. If you compare the sales of GT1 to GT3 this reflects that. The majority of all the other racing games on the market are more targetted to casual gamers than GT is except the diehard simulations. Just because GT doesn't appeal to you Ian it doesn't mean its s****y like Enter The Matrix. GT4 is changed from it's predessor in a helluva lot of ways, the addition of online play alone is worth the new game. There is so much new stuff it's mind boggling how they actually fit it onto 1 dvd.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 24, 2004, 10:41:49 PM
Post by: Shift Key on May 24, 2004, 11:36:04 PM
