Post by: jmoe316 on May 11, 2004, 09:26:01 AM
IGN-Cube
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 14, 2004, 06:12:43 AM
Post by: Draygaia on May 14, 2004, 04:59:25 PM
NO NO
He should be in Playgirl!
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 03, 2004, 03:54:22 PM
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Post by: Mannypon on June 03, 2004, 09:32:50 PM
Remember the lcd screen they showed for the gamecube, maybe they gettin the feel for it and how it could be used for games.
Nintendo has been gettin their feet wet wit LAN gaming and with a screen attached it can become a good alternative for online gaming or could be used in a way for online gameing (thats a whole nother topic all together though, I think I created one on the revolution being nintendo's trojan horse into LAN gaming)
There was talk of a portable gamecube, I aint sure if that'll be the next gameboy (doubt it though) but the revolution is supposed to be backwards compatible so with a screen attached, it could be technically a portable gamecube.
The revolution is rumored to come with a harddrive so they are basically eliminating all possible unnecessary secondary purchases, everything is being included off the bat for LAN/online gaming.
They are saying the DS is a look at what nintendo is thinking of accomplishing with the revolution, so that could be the use of an additional screen.
All in all, I think the chances of the revolution including an lcd screen attached is high (given that at the time they can be mass produced alot easier). What does everyone else think of this and what do you think nintendo has in mind that'll let the revolution change how games are made?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on June 04, 2004, 12:01:45 PM
Regardless, I'm definitely thinking that Revolution will have some sort of display mechanism that's independent of a television set.
silks
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2004, 01:03:12 PM
Alternative? NO! I want the real deal. There is no alternative, only excuses. Having both would be great but no online next gen is unacceptable. Realistically I think Nintendo knows that too. The N5 will be online or it'll be in the bargain bin.
All I want from the N5 is that it MATCHES the competition. That's means no missing features and no alternatives. That means every PS3 and Xbox2 game can realistically be recreated on the N5. Any sort of innovation is a bonus but without matching basics it isn't going to fly.
Post by: Draygaia on June 04, 2004, 01:34:06 PM
Atleast online is what I think is needed for the next console. Like a lot of people I think online is their biggest problem. I mean yeah you can say this and that will help Nintendo but even giving it GTA5 and making it exclusive and revolutionary on the GCN won't do much IMO. Playing with something with its own mind and can think for itself beats any single player experience. If there is online on the next Nintendo system then I feel popular RPGs, Mature Games, FPS, Sports, etc will come very easily.
Post by: odifiend on June 11, 2004, 07:17:17 AM
It is rumored that the Revolution might include a hard drive which will no doubt increase the price point for it. But with all the money I've spent on memory cards, in the long run it would be about the same price finacially.
Stilll a hard drive and a device that reportedly hooks up to a computer monitor? Wasn't Nintendo giving the Xbox a hard time about being just like a computer?
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2004, 07:39:55 AM
Technically I think Nintendo was criticizing the fact that the Xbox "guts" are mostly PC components and thus aren't optimized for games. And it's not unlike them to say one thing is bad and then later use it themselves. Nintendo used to always bash the usage of optical discs for games. Obviously they don't now. I personally don't care because I know that Nintendo will use the hard drive for gaming purposes. And the monitor is just a nice option.
Though I fear a hard drive could make piracy easier. Nintendo's managed to dodge the "1 in 5 of your friends owns nothing but pirated games" scenario that I've seen with the Playstation and Dreamcast so far and I hope they can stay that way.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2004, 10:11:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane<brNintendo used to always bash the usage of optical discs for games. Obviously they don't now.
They only bashed the use of optical disc cause at the time the data transfer rate was too slow, hence all the loading times on the PS1.
But they now have solved that problem for the most part, but the developers have to not be so lazy and actually optimize their games to take advantage of streaming and cache.
Ian - I know you already knew that but I thought I would state it anyway, just to keep everyone in the loop!
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2004, 10:39:35 AM
Is this going to be the fourth pillar?
I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't think they can support four systems at once. My bet is that the Cube will be like the PS1. The Revolution will be backwards compatible so once in a while Nintendo will release budget Cube titles that the current userbase can play as well.Seems odd though to keep the Cube alive in any form after the Revolution launches. It's not like the Cube was so incredibly popular that many people would continue to buy them next gen.
Post by: Draygaia on June 11, 2004, 05:45:40 PM
Post by: odifiend on June 11, 2004, 07:02:28 PM
I don't know why but I had this feeling Nintendo would have the Revolution hook up to the Gamecube, and Iwata reaffirms it - sorta if it turns out not to be the usual corporate BS. It would be incredibly...err...unique if the Revolution turned out to be that peripheral that Nintendo said that they were releasing for the Gamecube. So ontop of being its own console, the Revolution could double as hard drive for the GCN.
Post by: mjbd on June 12, 2004, 06:44:49 AM
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Post by: Draygaia on June 12, 2004, 03:04:01 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 12, 2004, 06:09:59 PM
The Panasonic Q plays both DVDs and Gamecube games so I'm sure it would feasible.
Post by: Mannypon on June 12, 2004, 08:34:56 PM
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Originally posted by: mjbd
I hope they come up with a system design that is real appealing, I like the Cube's design, but alot of people seemed to think it looked a bit to toyish I guess.
I feel you, the design for the gamecube is nice, specially in black or platinum lol. As for the revolution, I'm still sticking to my original concept for it. They should release the revolution (N5) with a somewhat retro look to it. Make it look like a sleek NES, slimmer with a automatice drive for cds in the place where the catridges used to go, 4 controller slots the norm. Just think about it, the retro gameboy sp in selling lovely in japan along with its games. A new nintendo system with a throwback look to the nes yet still fresh and new and it'll be a wrap. Make it standard platinum with the logo on the top of the system similar to the top cover of the ds. I hope yous are seein it like I see it , cuase its looking lovely in my eyes lol.
Post by: norebonomis on June 13, 2004, 09:25:56 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The Panasonic Q plays both DVDs and Gamecube games so I'm sure it would feasible.
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Post by: odifiend on June 14, 2004, 06:13:32 AM
BTW, what media is the DS going to be using? Nintendo says that the DS offers a taste of things to come for the Revolution. They already shot down the Revolution being dual screened. So that leaves sweet wireless connectivity or some DS-like media notorious to the DS. To me, 30 meter connectivity on a home console doesn't make much sense, so it could possibly be a different medium on this console. And then like the DS, there would be a place for the Revolution's predecessor for backward-compatibility.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on June 14, 2004, 08:31:45 AM
1. Overly complex control schemes
2. Graphics/Presentation that may turn some people off (mature themes, blood and gore, etc.)
3. A degree of technical proficiency required to even play the game
4. Ongoing monetary investment (beyond the money originally required to buy the game)
Obviously, #3 and #4 are what makes online gaming unattractive to Nintendo right now. Unless your mom is an IT engineer, there's no way she would know how to hook up your XBox and get it going online - it's not gonna happen. Nintendo wants completely the opposite of that - they want a game that your mom can pick up, play, and love. They want their network gaming to just "work".
Nintendo also doesn't want to have to charge players an upkeep fee to keep online game servers running. This isn't because they care about us broke gamers (they don't, they really want our money); it's because they realize that if they figure out some way to allow ALL gamers to go online for free (not just those with enough disposable income to blow on a monthly fee), they'll make a ton of money from game sales potentially bolstered by the phenomenon of free online play. They really want EVERYBODY to be able to play online, not just that hardcore 20% or whatever. Until they figure that out, they aren't going to budge.
So to bring this back to Revolution, I'm sure it's going to have some sort of Wi-Fi capability. A friend of mine had a great idea about this, actually: peer-to-peer Wi-Fi console networking. As soon as you turn on your Revolution, its wireless adapter could connect to a "Kazaa"-type P2P wireless network and you'd instantly be able to play whoever you wanted on whatever game you happened to have. If there were any consoles in your apartment building, you'd instantly be able to challenge them. And, best of all, it'd be free. There wouldn't be much upkeep...the network would just "exist". I'm not technical enough to judge whether or not this would be doable, but take the Wi-Fi networking of the GameBoy Wireless Adapter, expand that to a massive scale, and you get the idea.
Either way, Nintendo will go full steam ahead when they have a solution that is 1) free; and 2) instantly accessible to everyone with no technical knowledge required.
silks
Post by: Draygaia on June 15, 2004, 04:46:58 PM
I know they want a game that most people can play but I think its better if they create multiple games. Yes its better to have a game long in development that will be great instead of multiple games that aren't as great but with Nintendo I think its better to create multiple games for all ages and I think they can create multiple games that will be great.
Post by: nolimit19 on June 25, 2004, 11:47:12 AM
1. they need to make their controller like the xbox s-type....maybe not exactly like it, but it has the best button layout if you ask me....and if you ask around, a lot of beef with the cube has to do with its controller. something as simple as having a normal non-artsy controller will boost nintendos credibility...no matter how dumb it sounds.
2. they need about 3 killer launch titles. an rpg, and first-person shooter, and a good action game.
3. backwards compatability
4. extras like built in broadband connections or hard drive. maybe a dvd player/burner or mp3 player. it doesnt need all of this stuff, just some extras for people to have another incentive to buy the thing.
5. launch it on the same day as the other consoles
6. lots of advertising
7. possibly bribe magazines to give out of control good reviews of the new console
8. good online gaming system in place to promote online gaming for developers and gamers.
9. get paris hilton as their spokes person
10. online smash brothers (and keep zelda realistic)
they need 8 out of 10 to do well
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 25, 2004, 06:16:27 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on June 25, 2004, 06:22:09 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 25, 2004, 06:32:16 PM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
I wouldn't get too excited yet. Feasible doesn't mean it will happen. Rumors say this thing will have a hard drive (rumors are all I have to work with, I know it's sad). If it does have a hard drive and it is backwards compatible, I don't need a dvd player driving up the price some more.
BTW, what media is the DS going to be using? Nintendo says that the DS offers a taste of things to come for the Revolution. They already shot down the Revolution being dual screened. So that leaves sweet wireless connectivity or some DS-like media notorious to the DS. To me, 30 meter connectivity on a home console doesn't make much sense, so it could possibly be a different medium on this console. And then like the DS, there would be a place for the Revolution's predecessor for backward-compatibility.
Wow, you might not think much of the '30m connectivity', but that really got me thinking. It sort of borrows from that 'appartment idea' too. Just imagine playing wireless LAN, with absolutely no setup. You just need 2 Revolutions, and 2 TVs. Your system will automatically detect the other system, within a certain radius (hopefully bigger than 30m). What's special about this, is that you don't have to move any televisions sets. You don't have to hook up both systems to a network. Frankly, I find this bloody brilliant. If this could be possible with no separate networks, simply one console communicating with another, wirelessly (comparable to Wavebird communicating with GameCube, it could be 'revolutionary'. LAN would be so simple, something which would follow Nintendo's ideology. As of now, I've been turned off by the complexity of LAN gaming, but this really appeals to me. As long as everything is built in, that is.
Post by: odifiend on June 25, 2004, 09:35:03 PM
GS, you have a good common sensical idea that I hope Nintendo does include. (Hopefully, they were thinking what you were thinking)
Actually I have a linksys wireless router and two wireless receivers. I have the ability to pick up a bunch of my neighbors signals which would be cool for the revolution provided Nintendo is once again in every living room. Even so, frankly I don't like most of my neighbors. You know Gamesmasher's idea would be awesome in Japan since it is a much smaller geographical country (than the US in my case). I hope Nintendo isn't ignoring North American audiences again...
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 25, 2004, 10:38:54 PM
Post by: Burning Excalibur on June 26, 2004, 03:55:16 PM
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As for the revolution, I'm still sticking to my original concept for it. They should release the revolution (N5) with a somewhat retro look to it. Make it look like a sleek NES, slimmer with a automatice drive for cds in the place where the catridges used to go, 4 controller slots the norm. Just think about it, the retro gameboy sp in selling lovely in japan along with its games. A new nintendo system with a throwback look to the nes yet still fresh and new and it'll be a wrap. Make it standard platinum with the logo on the top of the system similar to the top cover of the ds. I hope yous are seein it like I see it , cuase its looking lovely in my eyes lol.
Wow... I couldn't have said it more beautifully. I've always hoped that a next gen. system for the Nintendo Line-up would throw back to the NES or the SNES. Especially since I never did get my hands on an SNES. If they would do something like that, I would die happy. It would be just like having my own SNES, and as an added bonus, having the newest bestest technology and gaming to play with.
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 27, 2004, 03:53:52 PM
Post by: Lamech on June 28, 2004, 04:08:44 AM
Praying for the Best,
-Lamech
Post by: Burning Excalibur on June 28, 2004, 08:14:33 AM
Nintendo, I'm sure will have something in store for all of us. Or, they may pull the GC trick again: Have little secret ports that don't do anything on the bottom. Then they COULD say "Future Installments." That would buy them a little time, even if they don't know what the Hell would work with the designed ports. They would be shoving their thumbs up their own asses but what CAN they DO?
Post by: Chode2234 on June 28, 2004, 08:50:19 AM
Don't kind yourself about Nintendo, they are rich greedy Japanese men who really don't care about you other than your wallet...
Post by: The Omen on June 28, 2004, 10:56:30 AM
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Then people would accuse Nintendo for trying to resell it's history back to consumers in a new package. To cheaply use the NES and/or SNES's popularity as a way to push their new console along, I don't see it happening.
I think Nintendo can pull off retro, because frankly, they are the only ones who have been around that long. I know I started a thread long ago about Nintendo using nostalgia as a strength, and I wont go over all my reasons again, but it would work very well.
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 28, 2004, 03:19:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Burning Excalibur
. I'm almost positive that I can't count on one hand ANY games the Playstation 1 and 2 have that isn't a remake or some damn sports game. That's the whole reason I never bought a PS2. The games are just plain terrible.
Oh, just going on the games I own here we go:-
PS1
Guilty Gear
Beatmania
Vib Ribbon
Grandia
PS2
Sky Odyssey
Greggory Horror Show
SOS Final Escape
ICO
Silpheed
Also, I don't really see how that's relevent to the discussion at hand, or even the point I raised.
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Anyway, I'm offtrack.
Band for off topic.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2004, 03:24:54 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on June 28, 2004, 03:28:28 PM
Quoteoh, this is just wrong, good games or no, so in this thread I disproved it.
I'm almost positive that I can't count on one hand ANY games the Playstation 1 and 2 have that isn't a remake or some damn sports game.
Post by: Shift Key on June 28, 2004, 07:43:10 PM
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The only games I have for my PS/2 is FFVII, GGXX, and GTA...I don't like the sort of games for it either...
Etna says "dood, you disappoint me Bill"
and yuna is ugly, aw noes here comes tremin9's angst bus
EDIT: Aw noes, DrZ is on the attack. Better look important to the topic.
QuoteDo you choose to disregard much of the GBA's lifespan, because its gotten this far based on retro/rehashed games? The fact that much of the "glory days" of Nintendo have been re-released on the platform pleases and saddens me at the same time. Probably saddens because there are other games that deserve to be redone instead of "another Mario game" needs more unirallying up the joint
Then people would accuse Nintendo for trying to resell it's history back to consumers in a new package. To cheaply use the NES and/or SNES's popularity as a way to push their new console along,
Quoteblol, come to Australia and shout Nintendo in a busy place. You'd get carted away to the nuthouse before someone else recognises what a Nintendo is these days. If they really were greedy, they'd have done a better job down under and made a dozen Pokemon Colloseums already.
they are rich greedy Japanese men who really don't care about you other than your wallet...
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 10, 2004, 12:47:28 PM
Yeah they probably would be Ice Climber, Clu Clu Land, and Donkey Kong still without the missing level. Wa-hoo.
In reality it is a good idea, Nintendo just probably wouldn't do a very good job of it. I would prefer some SNES titles myself. Hell if they included Super Metroid or Super Mario RPG they would sell a few consoles right there.
I think they should take it further and make a deal with Treasure to get Radiant Silvergun as a pack-in. That alone would attract a huge amount of hardcore gamers not wanting to spend the dough on the Saturn version.
Post by: Picceelo on July 12, 2004, 03:14:48 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2004, 10:05:44 PM
I like this Grey Ninja quote: "In other news, Nintendo describes Sony's marketting division as a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the Revolution comes."
Post by: Mumei on July 14, 2004, 07:22:18 AM
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I think they should take it further and make a deal with Treasure to get Radiant Silvergun as a pack-in.
Coolest.Idea.Ever.
I would absolutely love it if Treasure ported Radiant Silvergun. I want that so badly, but I'm not going to spend 200+ of my own money for game >_<.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2004, 07:44:05 AM
But I also want RS a lot...I think Treasure should just bundle a bunch of their classics like RS, Gunstar Heroes, and Mischief Makers and sell it as a compilation...That's my dream game... ^_^
Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2004, 08:53:58 AM
Screw my original idea. They should include THAT as the pack-in. If they signed Treasure as an exclusive second party it actually would be a really good way to get new owners familiar with them. Include a demo for a new game that they're working on with Nintendo with the comp and it will create hype for what would otherwise be an overlooked title.
Bob buys the Revolution for the new Mario game. Bob plays Treasure comp that came packed in and falls in love with those games. Bob plays demo to new exclusive Treasure game and loves it so much that he buys the new game when it comes out and tells all his friends. Treasure becomes Nintendo's next Rare. That's simplifying things a lot but that would be the ideal way to create a strong brand name for a Nintendo second party.
I just like the idea of porting rare games to the Revolution. Pad lulls in the post-launch period with re-releases of NiGHTS, Dragon Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Ogre Battle, Dragon Warrior IV, Sonic CD; stuff not released in North America like Dragon Warrior V and VI, Final Fantasy III, and the entire Fire Emblem series; and perfect arcade comps of titles like X-Men or The Simpsons that never got a decent home release. Third parties would go for it because the effort involved in re-releases is small and gamers wouldn't mind because unlike most GBA ports these are ports of obscure titles that haven't been played by everyone to death. Obviously you don't want the Rev to be a port machine but this would be a good way to fill the release schedule between major new releases and hardcore gaming nuts would be all over it.
Post by: Mumei on July 15, 2004, 09:14:12 AM
And Treasure would kick infinite amounts of ass as a second-party... One of my absolute favorite developers.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2004, 10:47:59 AM
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Post by: Koopa Troopa on July 15, 2004, 05:23:44 PM
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I just like the idea of porting rare games to the Revolution. Pad lulls in the post-launch period with re-releases of NiGHTS, Dragon Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Ogre Battle, Dragon Warrior IV, Sonic CD; stuff not released in North America like Dragon Warrior V and VI, Final Fantasy III, and the entire Fire Emblem series; and perfect arcade comps of titles like X-Men or The Simpsons that never got a decent home release. Third parties would go for it because the effort involved in re-releases is small and gamers wouldn't mind because unlike most GBA ports these are ports of obscure titles that haven't been played by everyone to death. Obviously you don't want the Rev to be a port machine but this would be a good way to fill the release schedule between major new releases and hardcore gaming nuts would be all over it.
I don't know if I could survive the excitement... I might literally die if even a fraction of that happened.
Post by: Mumei on July 15, 2004, 05:37:37 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I heard that PSO 1&2 plus includes NiGHTs as an unlockable GBA game...
Yeah, but it wasn't the original Saturn NiGHTS....
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Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 18, 2004, 08:59:07 PM
How many mainstream gamers have heard of Radiant Silvergun? My point exactly.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 19, 2004, 07:28:03 AM
How many mainstream gamers have heard of Radiant Silvergun? My point exactly."
I don't care. I want Nintendo to target the more hardcore crowd. Right now they're not really targeting anybody as they lack enough options and variety to truly attract the hardcore yet are still too hardcore to attract the casual crowd. I figure that since the hardcore is really all they would be able to succesfully target they might as well focus on it. Plus if the hardcore gamers like it it's going to create some decent word of mouth. Every game forum will be talking highly about it and the media will have a harder time bashing it.
Besides casual fans are NOT going to buy the Revolution at launch no matter what. It just isn't going to happen. So something that attracts the hardcore nuts who are not die hard Nintendo fans is an effective launch title. If hardcore gamers and Nintendo gamers were united on one console we would get all of the quirky innovative third party titles. It's also a good way to expand the userbase under the competition's nose in a way they would have a hard time countering.
Post by: Lamech on July 20, 2004, 07:49:06 AM
GYRATION
Virtual Reality
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Post by: Draygaia on July 22, 2004, 07:45:36 AM
That article is cool and I think that can get a lot of casual gamers in. Its like when you see casual gamers in an arcade most of them will be into something other than a joystick and buttons. DDR is good example because well when it came it was different. The Gyration I hope is something they will use and get people to play.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 22, 2004, 04:57:56 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't care. I want Nintendo to target the more hardcore crowd.
See? You are looking at this from your point of view. You said you "don't care." Because you are a hardcore gamer, you want these games. But I'm looking at it from a company's perspective (in this case, Nintendo).
There is no way Nintendo will target just the hardcore crowd. How big is it, compared to the maintream crowd? Remember Reggie's words: "We are not going to run our company just for hardcore gamers."
Post by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2004, 08:18:01 PM
Yeah but Nintendo absolutely lacks the ability to target the mainstream casual crowd. They have to carve a niche. They do seem to think that's a good strategy by attracting "new types of gamers". I just hope that this attempt to carve a niche doesn't exclude us hardcore fans.
Realistically though I only really care if Nintendo pleases me. The reason I want them to be successful is because that will attract more third parties and if they're number one they'll have more influence on the industry and thus more games that I like will be made.
"How big is it, compared to the maintream crowd?"
Well it's bigger than the current Cube userbase that's for sure. Realistically virtually all Cube owners would fit in to that target market plus the few Xbox owners who buy Sega's games and the huge chunk of PS2 owners the own it for the RPGs and some of the more quirky titles. The hardcore crowd is not big enough to become number one by targeting it but it is big enough to remain a strong presence in the industry. Plus MS and Sony aren't really focusing on that group.
Post by: Caillan on July 23, 2004, 03:11:32 AM
Besides, Nintendo just make good quality products, and that's about it. Their marketing is some of the worst I've ever seen; I'd actually say it detracts from the volume of games bought at times. If Nintendo just focus on doingsomething they could actually achieve, then they might get somewhere.
Post by: Lamech on July 26, 2004, 04:08:14 AM
-Your Oddly Curious and Overall Way Too Inquisitive Friend,
Lamech
Post by: MODE_RED on July 28, 2004, 02:46:00 PM
They aren't talking about the "Nintendo Evolution" or the "Nintendo Solution". Nintendo is talking REVOLUTION. That's a mighty word to cross anyone's lips, let alone their eyes, hands and ears. Sony is good at evolution. They are even good at providing solutions. Hell, the PSP has a nice feature list, but check my signature for how I feel about feature lists. I wouldn't buy Sony calling their next system a "revolution". It may take "God" to turn a single-celled organism into a multi-celled organism, but some would say that's just EVOLUTION, not revolution. BUT, everyone buys Nintendo's revolutionary posturing for their next-gen console. Why? Look at the Gamecube controller, look at the Nintendo DS, look at Nintendo's long history of originality in game design.
Nintendo THINKS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. Let's extend this analogy forward with a quote from an address I'm writing:
"Is everyone (in the game development community) wearing their think-caps today? I hope you were able to get your think-caps OUT OF THE BOX, instead of getting INTO THE BOX with your think-caps! Did you bring your own, or are you borrowing someone else's?"
You have to spend a lot of time in the box before you really are ready to step outside of it as a game developer. Nintendo has one foot in and one foot out. They can step all the way in or all the way out anytime they feel like it. They never feel the need to steal anyone's ideas. They never settle for conformity.
I for one am very eager to know first-hand what it's like to be a part of Nintendo's Revolution.
Post by: MODE_RED on July 28, 2004, 02:47:07 PM
How about this for a Revolution:
1. Full hardware support for the latest of Dolby sound.
2. Headset jacks on each controller, because the Revolution has FOUR secondary sound processors to provide additional kick-ass sound for four players.
3. A unique headset made for the Revolution providing 360 degree spherical sound (as well as a microphone). This means if you turn your head left, it is possible that the sound that was in front of you is now in your right ear.
4. Built-in voice recognition and voice simulation hardware. Wouldn't you like it if your character sounded just like you now? Shiggy can now give a voice to Link, YOUR VOICE!.
5. The system itself provides wireless sound to your speakers AND to your headsets! It even allows you to add an additional TWO satellite speakers to your existing surround sound setup.
6. The system itself has speakers built into it so that you can use it as a couple channels!
7. The Revolution's controller has speakers built into it. I mean good quality speakers, so that special effects (like gun fire and light saber sounds) can be emulated well. Imagine holding a dying soldier in your hands and when he talks, his voice comes out of your controller!
8. The hardware specializes in the manipulation of sound just as much as pixel shaders in the XBOX. How about "sound shaders"? Make it easy to emulate the sound of a gun fired underwater into a cave bouncing off of a metal helmet and landing in the dust, and easy to emulate the ricochet effect in your home with the wireless speakers!
9. The Nintendo Revolution can "hear" with a microphone built right into the system that can tell which direction a sound is coming from. It can also detect where the wireless controllers are in the room and even which way your head is facing when you have the headset on. Using these features, a character in your game could actually look right at you no matter where you sit, and know someone else is in the room and look at them too if they make a sound.
I'm sure I could keep going with this into the realm of virtual implausibility, but I'd like to hear from other gamers and developers. Please respond!
Post by: Shift Key on July 28, 2004, 05:48:51 PM
Headsets with "surround sound" aren't a revolutionary concept. ITS BACK TO THE FUTURE!
QuoteNo, that's not a great idea. I'd much rather explore the world with controller, because turning my head to the left or right means I can't see the screen anymore.
3. A unique headset made for the Revolution providing 360 degree spherical sound (as well as a microphone). This means if you turn your head left, it is possible that the sound that was in front of you is now in your right ear.
QuoteUgh. Just Ugh. Why would I want to hear anyone's voice attached to Link, let alone my own?
Shiggy can now give a voice to Link, YOUR VOICE!.
QuoteSound doesn't require a large amount of processing, and plugging a headset into a controller (which will likely be wireless) seems redundant.
Headset jacks on each controller, because the Revolution has FOUR secondary sound processors to provide additional kick-ass sound for four players.
And speakers everywhere? No thanks. Apart from pushing the price of the system upwards, it would be a waste or hardware - probably get drowned out by the TV speakers mostly. I realise that its a big step to assume TVs will support the Revolution, but I don't plan on using it on my PC monitor.
QuoteThe hardware wouldn't need to do this - a developer can do something like this right now, because all current systems support some form of Dolby out of the box (with the right sound setup of course).
8. The hardware specializes in the manipulation of sound just as much as pixel shaders in the XBOX. How about "sound shaders"? Make it easy to emulate the sound of a gun fired underwater into a cave bouncing off of a metal helmet and landing in the dust, and easy to emulate the ricochet effect in your home with the wireless speakers!
QuoteTheoretically this could work, but it would be a nightmare to implement. You'd need three separate signals to locate a person (check out GPS technology if you don't believe me) and again, it would probably be a waste of hardware.
It can also detect where the wireless controllers are in the room and even which way your head is facing when you have the headset on.
I'm actually quite scared of what the Revolution could be now that you throw all these crazy ideas out - but you're not making it.
Post by: nickmitch on July 30, 2004, 05:27:27 PM
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I realise that its a big step to assume TVs will support the Revolution, but I don't plan on using it on my PC monitor.
Mine better...
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Post by: nemo_83 on August 19, 2004, 12:16:26 PM
I figured it would be one or the other. Not both. I assume the camera will be able to film in a variety of modes.
We still need all of the regular controller functions and keys on the handles. I'm talking two analog sticks, two sets of face buttons (no more need for a dpad), triggers, shoulder buttons and one new button I think would help out alot. I think a mouse wheel could be placed beyond the trigger on each side. That would mean the wheel wouldn't be below or above the trigger but just beyond it so you only have to outstretch your finger to hit it and scroll through weapons and visors.
Nintendo is trying to make gaming itself fun again. The question is are they trying to keep game design from getting in the way of gameplay or are they trying to keep gameplay from getting in the way of game design. I like to think that in a game the two can coexist equally.
I had an idea myself for the Revolution that made much of it possible but also quite cheap. Without any camera at all one could use two wireless mouse/controllers with all of the functions I listed above for the handles. The mouses could be set up with two or three lasers each. This would give them more functionality because you would be able to spin the mouse and your sword on screen would tilt.
If Nintendo does use the handle idea then what will MS and Sony do with their systems. I think MS and Sony will spread themselves to thinly giving thier consoles a lack of focus. The PS3 could end up with a camera, tivo, dvd, cd, mp3, and game playing abilities. There wouldn't be much room in the price for Sony to compete with Nintendo's revolutionary controllers using gyration technology. MS will probably use cameras and dual flight sticks. But Nintendo could have a technological advantage. Sony is so focused on having graphics that are realistic that they have forgotten about realistic gameplay. With VR type controls we won't have to be reduced to scavenger hunt games anymore because just controlling a platformer will be fun again.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 19, 2004, 12:29:21 PM
Sega has been working on technology to translate the tone of your voice into facial expressions on the character's face. I wonder if Nintendo is planning on using the DS for all microphone, camera, and touch screen control on the revolution.
Post by: odifiend on August 19, 2004, 12:56:54 PM
As for Nintendo's investment in Gyration, I'm guessing it will be an add on to an existing console. I doubt they would incorporate the technology in each controller. (They better not anyway, first party controllers are already expensive.)
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I totally forgot about the microphone technology. Doesn't the DS have a mic? I can definetly see nearly every game using mics in the future. The mic can take what you say and change it to the character's voice. It would make communicating in games a real time thing. We wouldn't need cutscenes to progress the story of the game because we would be able to move the story along ourselves.
I just don't agree. The only thing mics are good for are for communicating with real people. Games like 'Hey you, Pikachu' just aren't fun. Life Line by Konami, came out and while my PS2 owning friends hyped it, they nor anyone else really mentions it. I'm guessing it wasn't that great because there is only so much you can do talking to a computer. The programmers can't program every possible phrase or dialect (or pronunciation for that matter) into the game. Add the fact that a successful game would need to be translated into many different languages and you have a nightmare and likely an astounding debt. Nintendo already doesn't put non universal voice acting into games because of localization, there is no way that waste their money for us to put our voices in.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 19, 2004, 01:51:19 PM
You will now be able to aim with both hands independtly or together (one hand controlling camera view while another controls aiming).
For example you would be able to move Samus forward/back and strafe left/right with one joystick while you control the camera with your left hand. You would aim with your right hand. You could aim, look, and move all at once. Then you use the face buttons for other functions like jumping, missles, ball, etc. The right trigger would be used for firing and the mouse wheels used for switching weapons or visors. The left trigger would be used for the grappling beam. When you activate the grappling beam your aiming becomes soley controlled by your right arm (you could just use the right arm the whole time for camera and aiming but when they are seperated it gives you two cross hairs like a riffle to line up creating a much better aiming system than just the right arm alone). I would make the grappling beam attach to any object/ledge/enemy so it is something that can be used all of the time. You could throw something at an enemy with it or throw an enemy. You could use it to grab powerups instead of using the arm cannon's charge to pull in powerups. Of course if you hold the left trigger with the double click (just like you can charge your arm cannon) the grappling beam will take you to object you have grabbed granted the object will hold your outrageous weight.
Also don't forget that I mentioned taking the dpad away for good and replacing it with another set of face buttons. With this setup you would still have four face buttons free and an analog stick to do whatever you wanted. For example both analog sticks could control the movement of Samus just the same so you could switch sides easily to access the second set of face buttons without loosing any functions at all. Both sides for example could have a jump button, but one side has functions like; punch, kick, and flip. The other side could have jump, map, ball, and missles.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 19, 2004, 04:05:49 PM
A snazy catch fraise is needed. Join the Revolution. Viva la Revolution. Its a Revolution. Are you N the Revolution? Get N the Revolution. The Revolution is here. The Revolution is coming. Revolt, the Revolution is here.
Post by: odifiend on August 19, 2004, 07:22:31 PM
Basically I'm saying that if Nintendo gets its priorities straight (its console needs more help) it will be fine. Nemo, I like Viva la Revolution and the Revolution is here is good, too, esp. if done in that gameboy whisper.
Post by: Zach on August 21, 2004, 05:51:56 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2004, 06:12:01 PM
I completely disagree with you...ALL Nintendo commercials starring the costumes are rad...Particularly the Yoshi's Island GBA and Mario Party ones...
Post by: odifiend on August 21, 2004, 06:51:13 PM
I did talk about costumed commercials generally being lame, but why did you choose to quote my sentences pertaining to humor. Metroid, the commercials I did mention, were costumed and completely non-humorous.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 23, 2004, 11:58:21 AM
Nintendo still can't figure out that they must sell a lifestyle with their product. There is rarely any personality in their commercials. Usually the ads fail because they are so serious and full of themselves that there is no experiencial or emotional association made with the product or its ad. Lightheartedness is the way to make people laugh. When you can laugh at yourself people will laugh with you. When someone produces something that is overly serious the seriousness flies out the window and it is only asking to be made fun of or even worse ignored. Harely Davidson for example saw its brand take off when the whole biker outlaw image came about.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2004, 12:06:15 PM
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Bill, define rad.
I did talk about costumed commercials generally being lame, but why did you choose to quote my sentences pertaining to humor. Metroid, the commercials I did mention, were costumed and completely non-humorous.
I was actually just thinking of the ones involving the goofy Mario costumes...Rad = short form of "radical" = departure from the norm(in a good way)...What I love about Nintendo's commercials is that they are just that bizarre and humorous that they stick in your mind, which is what a commercial should do...
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 25, 2004, 03:19:31 AM
Oh hay, that Mario Kart: Double Dash one was hilarious. As was that Super Mario Sunshine "Clean is good" costumed commercial, except I seem to be the only person in the world who likes it. So eat my posts with lots of salt.
Post by: odifiend on August 25, 2004, 04:37:10 AM
I think that may have to do with the fact that you're a Nintendo fan...not that there's anything wrong with that
. Do you remember the cube launch commercials? If you do bravo, because they were VERY forgettable."What I love about Nintendo's commercials is that they are just that bizarre and humorous that they stick in your mind, which is what a commercial should do..."
The good ones do...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 25, 2004, 06:35:59 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2004, 10:50:57 PM
September is a great time to launch though. Once we're done with the launch titles the Christmas titles should ("should" and not "will" being the key word) be ready which gives us something else to play and will make it easier to avoid a huge release drought like last time. Plus it gives them more time to manufacture more units for Christmas.
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Post by: couchmonkey on December 24, 2004, 06:30:34 AM
I assume that September is just the general date Nintendo is telling developers to shoot for. I honestly think Nintendo is serious about releasing the Revolution simultaneously with PS3, and Nintendo will probably give developers a specific date at the same time as Sony. I personally think Nintendo should aim for a worldwide, or at least North America/Japan launch, to prevent Microsoft from getting too comfortable in the west.
Post by: roxics on December 26, 2004, 09:16:47 AM
I also want to see backward compatibility with gamecube titles while still allowing for full sized DVD disc's for new titles.
I think a couple of smart moves for Nintendo would be to drop any cost to a developer to make games for their new system. Then to also have a print on demand DVD service where small indie game developers can make games for the system, send them to Nintendo and have Nintendo put them on their website. When someone comes to the website they browse through the game titles and find a title they like from an indie developer. So they buy it right there. Nintendo then burns a disc and ships it off. Very similar to cafepress.com's CD service. This would save small developers from having to press their own DVD's, distribute them to stores and market them. It would also open up Nintendo to a whole bunch of new and original games from previously unknown developers. Games you won't find on any other system. That would build loyalty with those small developers who could end up having the next big hit everyone wants to play.
The website would also keep track of which titles sold more and if a certian title sold a certain amount on the site, Nintendo could then take it and do a wide distribution to stores. A sort of greatest hits type thing.
In my opinion that would be more of a revolution then just redesigning the controller or adding a hard drive or something.
Post by: norebonomis on January 02, 2005, 09:30:57 PM
i do agree nintendo should do something and support indie developers. if CNN is right and the video game industry is now making more than the film industry, they could surely afford to let indie devolpers get there hands on some sdk packages
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Post by: JonTD on January 08, 2005, 01:09:15 AM
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But also, if they partner with Panasonic again, then they're a patent holder too. So they wouldn't have to pay Sony, just Panasonic. I think they'll use the Blue Ray. Might as well, help them in getting the same games as the PlayStation. One for it being in Japan and getting all their wacky games, and two, same format doesn't hurt. Look at the PS2 and Xbox for your proof.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Because Panasonic is a patent holder does not mean they have free reign to the technology, and if Nintendo were to go with Blu Ray their hand would be forced--a portion of the royalties will be distributed to all patent holders, including Sony.
But really, the disk format really won't help them get more games ported from the Sony camp. The two still will not be code compatible as far as making one game run on the other, and burning the disks isn't really cost or labor intensive in any real way. What matters is disk capacity.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 08, 2005, 05:26:03 PM
Post by: Savior on January 08, 2005, 05:59:49 PM
We will be lucky to get DVD Playback in it... Though Blue Ray Playback might be real smart...
Maybe they should let Panasonic make them... I dont know...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 09, 2005, 12:30:31 PM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 09, 2005, 02:02:16 PM
The point about giving Sony royalties is almost moot though - unless they're a bunch of stubborn pigheads, they have to be willing to shell out the dough. The problem with all of these superconglomerate companies is that many of them end up on the same side in some businesses and competitors in others. Microsoft, for example is indirectly siding with Nintendo in the handheld wars. They are considering a partnership with Sony in the DAP business, even as they compete against them in the video game one.
Post by: Shift Key on January 09, 2005, 03:57:17 PM
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All I want from them is a system where I can play Mario, Zelda, and GTA
Blol. Rockstar, the biggest Sony lapdog in the history of ever, making games for a Nintendo system. Not likely.
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Blue Ray or HD DVD? Seems like EA is picking Blue Ray.
What? Sony is using the Blu Ray discs, and Microsoft is using HD-DVD as far as I know. How does EA get a say in the matter?
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The thing with Blu-Ray is that as its blue laser, it'll prob be more expensive to produce than HD-DVD, which most bigshot Hollywood studios outside of Sony and I think 20th Century Fox are supporting (maybe Disney also). Nintendo is big on cost, and if it turns out HD-DVD is indeed cheaper, then I could see them going that way. The difference in space I don't think is that much, but I'm not an expert. If they're still partners with Panasonic though, then I could just as soon see them joining BluRay.
The blue laser is the laser that reads the disc. It has nothing to do with the disc itself. The blue light has a smaller wavelength and so more data can be squeezed onto the same area of the disc.
Capacity of a single-layer Blu-Ray disc: 23 GB to 27GB
Capacity of a single-layer HD-DVD disc: 15GB
The cost difference would be minimal, if there is a difference at all, and cost for each disc will gradually reduce over time as the technology becomes more widespread.
And I can already hear the "Aw noes, they chose the smaller media, Nintendo are gonna fail again!" arguments if they choose HD-DVD.
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 09, 2005, 04:19:11 PM
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All I want from them is a system where I can play Mario, Zelda, and GTA
Blol. Rockstar, the biggest Sony lapdog in the history of ever, making games for a Nintendo system. Not likely.Quote
Blue Ray or HD DVD? Seems like EA is picking Blue Ray.
What? Sony is using the Blu Ray discs, and Microsoft is using HD-DVD as far as I know. How does EA get a say in the matter?Quote
The thing with Blu-Ray is that as its blue laser, it'll prob be more expensive to produce than HD-DVD, which most bigshot Hollywood studios outside of Sony and I think 20th Century Fox are supporting (maybe Disney also). Nintendo is big on cost, and if it turns out HD-DVD is indeed cheaper, then I could see them going that way. The difference in space I don't think is that much, but I'm not an expert. If they're still partners with Panasonic though, then I could just as soon see them joining BluRay.
The blue laser is the laser that reads the disc. It has nothing to do with the disc itself. The blue light has a smaller wavelength and so more data can be squeezed onto the same area of the disc.
Capacity of a single-layer Blu-Ray disc: 23 GB to 27GB
Capacity of a single-layer HD-DVD disc: 15GB
The cost difference would be minimal, if there is a difference at all, and cost for each disc will gradually reduce over time as the technology becomes more widespread.
And I can already hear the "Aw noes, they chose the smaller media, Nintendo are gonna fail again!" arguments if they choose HD-DVD.
Revolution isn't using the smaller media format. Trust me.
Post by: Shift Key on January 10, 2005, 02:32:30 AM
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Revolution isn't using the smaller media format. Trust me.
Stop talking garbage or back up your so-called "insider" information.
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 10, 2005, 05:31:24 AM
Just remember my words until E3.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2005, 07:33:19 AM
BTW, there is a system that can play Mario, Zelda and GTA. It's called the Game Boy Advance.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 11, 2005, 09:39:22 PM
Post by: odifiend on January 12, 2005, 03:20:21 AM
1) nobody wants to don a VR helmet
2) Everybody has heads of different sizes ruling out Everyone
3) It is more complicated than a control to operate because you'd still need a controller
4) nobody wants to don a VR helmet
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 12, 2005, 05:00:36 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 12, 2005, 04:48:25 PM
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Right now Nintendo is like the Disney of video games. What they need to do is what Disney did and add a Miramax-like division that concentrates on more adult/radical kind of games.
I've been saying that forever. Good to see somebody with sense.
I think Nintendo will go Blue Ray. I don't think they intend on giving Sony an advantage, even if it's just a perceived advantage .
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on January 13, 2005, 12:07:28 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 13, 2005, 01:43:25 PM
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Why won't nintendo just go with their own format?
It's not like mini-dvd vs. dvd. Those are the same format. Even cartidges are essentially the same format. Designign their own would be insanely expensive and pointless.
Post by: Procession on January 13, 2005, 08:15:06 PM
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Why won't nintendo just go with their own format?
It would be far too costly to develop.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 13, 2005, 11:11:39 PM
Increased software development for the recently launched Nintendo DS handheld system and this year's expected unveiling of the Nintendo Revolution next-generation platform are likely to be the biggest recipients of the R&D money.
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The 22 billion Yen figure is an increase of 39 per cent on last year's sum, and Nintendo also plans to increase its capital spending in the coming year by 76 per cent to 4 billion Yen (30 million Euro), with some of that being earmarked for increasing DS production.
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In a related story, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had a few words for another Japanese newspaper, Kyoto Shimbun, on the topic of its new platforms - although it was very few words, with Iwata telling the paper that the objective with Nintendo Revolution is to create a "paradigm shift in gameplay", while the key watchword for Nintendo DS is "heterogeneity" or "difference".
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Post by: Savior on January 14, 2005, 03:48:35 PM
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think Nintendo will go Blue Ray
I hope so too. Not everybody will have a Blue Ray player in 06... it could become a selinng point for the console just like being a DVD player was a selling point for the PS2
Post by: nemo_83 on January 14, 2005, 11:51:26 PM
Post by: Psyraver on January 15, 2005, 02:21:44 AM
Once rumored to be the GC disc format. FMD or Fluorescent Multilayer Disc would be the best choice for Nintendo because of its huge storage compacity... 140gb!!!
Post by: Savior on January 15, 2005, 03:26:02 PM
If its detachable, then i guess it could be like the Rumored Xbox 2 IPod wannabe Hard Drive..
Post by: Ages on January 15, 2005, 03:52:40 PM
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Three letters, FMD.
Once rumored to be the GC disc format. FMD or Fluorescent Multilayer Disc would be the best choice for Nintendo because of its huge storage compacity... 140gb!!!
FMD is the most kickass technology that will never be. I hope I'm wrong, but apparantly Constillation (the company that developed it) went out of business a few years back. I have no clue who owns the tech now, but I hope somehow, someway Nintendo jumps on it. Anyone with any info on FMD? heh, makes DVD and Blu Ray look like panzies
Post by: odifiend on January 15, 2005, 05:41:52 PM
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Nintendo needs to package in a detachable 40 gig harddrive so that all games you buy are downloaded to it. No more trips to the store, no middle man, no manufacturing disks, no expensive blue lasers, no packaging software, and no shiping software. Nintendo can make any game available for download that the system can emulate whether it originally came out on the NES or GameCube and make the games playable online. Plus Revolution games would be available for download too, they would just require more memory. There should be some definable differences between the handhelds and the consoles and one of those is that consoles are stationary, online, and already big so putting a harddrive on a console won't cause the problems it would cause on a handheld. Official game editing tools and map swaping will really solidify the online community too. Demos and video advertising could also be used with future online consoles.
40 gig harddrive? That is laughable if you want to eliminate media. I have something like 40 GCN games- that just wouldn't work for me and Nintendo shouldn't limit the amount of titles anyone can have. Also, not everybody has a T1 internet connections that would make downloading 2 or 3 GB games practical. Also I foresee problems like hard drive failure and viral outbreaks if a system completely centralized on the interent and downloading content were to materialize.
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Post by: nemo_83 on January 16, 2005, 11:09:48 PM
The average gamer doesn't have fourty games. I know people who have pirated more Xbox games than fourty, but that is only because they have put in a larger harddrive and all the games are free. My point is that if the harddrive is detachable then people who buy a lot of games can simply pick up a new harddrive. 40 gig is a lot of space, considering the Cube's disks are only 1.5 gig. After a while larger harddrives would be made available. The reason I said 40 gig is because there has to be a fairly open enviroment for developers to have the initiative to really take advantage fo the space on the harddrive and possibly make games that are 40 gig in size.
I would like to have a Mario Paint game that could work with certain Nintendo made games you download from Nintendo to access accessable development tools (only Nintendo could make a game based on game development accessable). There are many boards online with topics about dream Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games. I call that a market that needs to be exploited; a thus far missed financial opportunity. Why not make a game about making games? A game that does not hide the fact that it is a videogame. Everyone wants to play CEO at Nintendo.
Nintendo on the other hand is probably thinking big memory cards (1 gig) and small, efficient, but more accessable internet than the competition. They wouldn't want to do anything like create a paradigm shift in the way things are done in the industry. They're not really into revolutionizing anything, just evolving I guess. They like getting $crewed over by the American videogame retailer corporations.
Post by: odifiend on January 17, 2005, 04:29:58 AM
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The only thing keeping us from downloading games is that we all like getting the little books with the games. Now that I actually typed that out it sounds ridiculous. We do need to realize that a game like a song is just a piece of intelectual property. The disk its on isn't what is important, its the information on the disk that is important.
Even in the computer gaming industry where it is possible to download games on to a hard drive, discs are used. Why? It is easy for a developer to collect their money, consumers like having the product they paid for in hand, etc...
Pirating is about to eat a hole in the industry like never before with people getting broader internet connections and faster computers, downloading a hundred GBA games is not really that hard. The only way to fight piracy is to use the same technology to advance the industry. The rising development costs are about to hit a sandbar, the next generation graphics, and anything Nintendo can do to make it easier for gamemakers to get the games to the gamers will be a plus in the eyes of smaller comapanies.
Ha! This logic doesn't even make any sense. Apple, MSN, and others have start many tunes downloading programs, but I can promise you the majority of music is being pirated. In fact many bought music ends up being shared. Selling an downloadable game makes it much easier for the pirate. Also since developpers make money off software, that is not something Nintendo wants to do for itself or to its third party associates. Finally I don't see how not making media would lower development cost significantly. Nintendo would still likely have a royalty fee system and developers would still be spending millions making the game.
Another way to fight pirating is to ensure that piraters can't play a pirated game on their computer due to controller requirements (think about the DS, your computer doesn't have two screens and the one you have most likely isn't a touch screen).
I promise people will find away to pirate the DS. A monitor can be divided in two and hell, I have a touch screen on my laptop. Also most pirates don't mind emulation as long as it is free.
The average gamer doesn't have fourty games. True, but why would a business limit the amount of games a person can own, or punish those for buying more of their product?I know people who have pirated more Xbox games than fourty, but that is only because they have put in a larger harddrive and all the games are free. My point is that if the harddrive is detachable then people who buy a lot of games can simply pick up a new harddrive. Buying a whole 'nother harddrive would be a tough sell. 40 gig is a lot of space, considering the Cube's disks are only 1.5 gig. 40 gigs is nothing, especially considering how much space you can get in a harddrive nowadays. That isn't even 30 GCN games and let's remember that many GCN games come on 2 discs. And remember we're talking about the Revolution. Games are likely to have more data. On top of that there are personal game saves and I am kinda hoping for TiVo. (So cool!
After a while larger harddrives would be made available. The reason I said 40 gig is because there has to be a fairly open enviroment for developers to have the initiative to really take advantage fo the space on the harddrive and possibly make games that are 40 gig in size. So you essentially want a repeat of the GCN memory card situation by having Nintendo release different hardware sizes? On top of multiple harddrive sizes being impractical from a consumer standpoint, it would also be impractical from Nintendo's point of view, unless of course the HDs are ridiculously expensive. You want a developer to make a 40GB game... when you're proposing 40GB of space?
I would like to have a Mario Paint game that could work with certain Nintendo made games you download from Nintendo to access accessable development tools (only Nintendo could make a game based on game development accessable). There are many boards online with topics about dream Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games. I call that a market that needs to be exploited; a thus far missed financial opportunity. Why not make a game about making games? A game that does not hide the fact that it is a videogame. Everyone wants to play CEO at Nintendo. meh. I don't but I can't speak for everyone.
Nintendo on the other hand is probably thinking big memory cards (1 gig) and small, efficient, but more accessable internet than the competition. They wouldn't want to do anything like create a paradigm shift in the way things are done in the industry. They're not really into revolutionizing anything, just evolving I guess. They like getting $crewed over by the American videogame retailer corporations.
Heavy sarcasm near the end but that is a lot more practical than detachable hard drives and the like.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 17, 2005, 06:23:37 AM
The disc IS important because I want to seperate the console from the games. The reason I like buying a CD is because if my CD player breaks I still have the music. If all of our games are downloaded to our machine then if our machine breaks we're f*cked. A whole game library down the tubes. A physical copy gives the individual much more control. It's not like Nintendo is legally going to allow us to copy our games for backup purposes or anything. That's just an invite for widespread piracy.
Plus what's wrong with having a goddamn option? Everytime someone suggests downloadable games they always present it in a way where that's the ONLY method. Nintendo's whole problem is that they suck at providing options. Why can't those of us who want a physical copy have the option?
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 17, 2005, 10:18:40 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 17, 2005, 05:30:09 PM
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I agree with Ian. I basically don't download music, I buy CDs, and not because it's illegal or anything but because I want to own a hard copy.
I too like having the original packaging. I think some people are collectors, like I am with games, music and movies . Some people aren't however, and that's why there needs to be an option.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 17, 2005, 08:29:41 PM
Today, this is a source 'anonymous' that we can judge of credible one (since that she had raised déja the sail on the capacities of the DS before his official announcement) that explains us this that would be the Revolution of Nintendo. Side software, the console would be compatible nostalgic style with the former games GameCube, a Great Smash Bros would already be to the half of his development and would be, just as a new Mario, foreseen for the launch line-up running 2006.
At the level of the console in itself, she should integrate two processeurs, include a high adapter debit, four harbors hand-levers, a hard disc as well as a usage of the new format in hd-dvd. If one wants well to believe the dream of these information, one continues with the pad that all good revolutionary one! Nintendo would use some does the technology Gyration in his hand-lever, a new system that permetterait to the player to feel the actions, to touch it, the matter smooths of a ground or again pricking them of a monster... It same source finishes his item while leaving us dreamer in front of 'Touching i's good goal feeling i's better'. That remains for the moment to the rumor stadium while awaiting l'E3 in next May with the presentation of the console during the lecture Nintendo.
» Babelfish English Translation Published the 16/01/2005 by Kevin Crouvizier
This was in the Cube board...is it time to change Fast Forward to the Revolution board?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 06:33:37 AM
Oh man. Not the lever stuff again.
That's a pretty awkward translation but it sounds like a rather odd controller. The sort of controller that may be useless for a lot of games. The sort of controller that could kill multiplatform third party support. But on the bright side if they can make a working Smash Bros game for a "lever" controller it might not be so bad. I'll wait and see but my fears of Nintendo going too wacky are not going away.
The addition of a hard drive sounds good though.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 07:27:46 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 07:48:04 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 07:55:17 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 18, 2005, 07:56:03 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 08:19:18 AM
Sounds to me like a big joystick that you can grip with your whole hand. Though knowing Nintendo it will be a whole small Japanese person's hand. I see it like this Sega boxing arcade game where the controls are twin joysticks that look like boxing gloves. I don't remember what it's called but it's 2D and I see it in every arcade.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 08:26:33 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 18, 2005, 08:40:33 AM
If Microsoft speaks openly about its Xbox2, the buzz around the famous Revolution, the code name of the next parlour console from the Nintendo, begins seriously to be felt. With a name so revealing which says much about the ambitions of the maker, Satura Iwata declared recently at a Japanese press conference that he wanted the machine to change the way we play.
Today, it is an 'anonymous' source which we can judge as credible (since [the source] had already revealed the capacities of the DS before its official announcement) who was explaining to us what exactly the Nintendo's Revolution would be. Side(?) software, the console would be backwards compatible with the older Gamecube games, one Super Smash Bros is already half way through its development and it, along with a new Mario, will be a preview for the launch line up around 2006.
On the level of the console itself, it ought to integrate two processors, be equipped with ( some kind of adapter I think and hope broadband), four controller ports, a hard disk along with the utility of a new format in HD-DVD. If we want to believe the dreams of this information, we'll continue with a game pad that will be truly revolutionary! Nintendo will in fact use the Gyration technology in the controller, a new system which will allow a player to sense actions, touch, the feel of slick ground or the stingers of a monster... the same source finishes their article by leaving us to dream in light of "Touching is good but feeling is better' [Nemo didn't you come up with that exact same slogin?] That is all for the moment on the rumor while awaiting next may at e3 with the presentation of the console during Nintendo's conference.
EDIT: Guys calm down it is a controller. But it sounds like it is going to have some amazing feedback or nerve triggers going on.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 09:01:45 AM
Well yeah. That's obviously the big fear, right?
Odifiend's translation suggests a controller that has Gyration technology but may build on what's already there. That's more reassuring but I'm still nervous. Fortunately it looks like "hand-lever" is just a crappy translation of "controller". Miyamoto had this little phase where he kept talking about a game where the user could see a lever in a game and then actual pull it themselves so when I saw "lever" that's what I assumed. Looks like it might just be a coincedence.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2005, 09:33:02 AM
That's what you get for assuming things...
In that quote that you mention, I believe Miyamoto was talking about Zelda DS in particular...
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 09:43:28 AM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
Guys calm down it is a controller. But it sounds like it is going to have some amazing feedback or nerve triggers going on.
Thanks for the translation, its alot clearer now. This makes sence now that you think about it, assuming this is something that will be added onto existing controllers as apposed to using a huge stick lol. Nintendo were the first to introduce force feedback to home console controllers so it should be fitting that they introduce the next step beyond force feedback.
Post by: norebonomis on January 18, 2005, 10:42:45 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 18, 2005, 11:19:15 AM
However, after E3, while I still expect to be excited, my attention will probably be more heavily focused on, say, Zelda and other such games.
Anyway, that sounds pretty awesome. I can't wait to see what's going on.
Post by: odifiend on January 18, 2005, 11:28:55 AM
)? I am now more interested about the controller and its price than the system itself. Smash Bros is great news - solid and popular game and if Nintendo decides to go online, that and Pokemon are the best bet.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 11:29:46 AM
Joystiq's attitude is representative of a lot of gamers. For the last few years Nintendo has been talking up a storm and then not delivering. So people are saying "show me don't tell me". It makes sense. Nintendo has set it up so that they HAVE to deliver something for the Revolution that is not only a major change but a welcome one as well. If they just shut up they would have less pressure to deliver and could show up at E3 with something that is merely interesting and still catch people's attention.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2005, 11:40:26 AM
And you are exaggerating tenfold...Ninty never called the waterpack "industry changing"...They merely didn't want word of it coming out before the game was revealed...It's gamers like you that overexaggerate what Ninty says and does and that only makes them look worse...Stop assuming every little thing Ninty hides is something amazingly shocking...
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 12:15:56 PM
Well what's a more realistic solution? Everyone agreeing to stop hyping up Nintendo or Nintendo not opening their mouth so much about future announcements? Nintendo didn't reveal the waterpack because they were afraid other companies would rip them off. Companies only rip off really great ideas so by saying something like that Nintendo was implying that the idea was great enough that numerous clones would pop up everywhere like they did when Super Mario 64 was revealed. What are we supposed to think?
Anyway in this scenario Nintendo clearly is promising something big regardless of how we interpret it. "Paradigm shift" is a strong choice of words. Iwata isn't just implying a big change he's literally promising it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 18, 2005, 02:24:42 PM
Nintendo does let too much anticipation build up. I like how they're secretive, really, but they shouldn't say things that suggest what they're making is good at all. Keep the hopes low and they'll only shoot up higher when the time comes.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 18, 2005, 06:40:02 PM
Once upon a time I figured out Zelda would be more like the old 2d games if it were cel shaded and I posted it on boards online and then the realistic demo was shown and my dreams were crushed. I continued my campaign for cel shading in Zelda in spite of the realistic Zelda and then one day WW was shown. I remember suggesting that powerups like the mushrooms should be in Mario games again, Mario64x4 has mushrooms. I suggested the dpad could be removed and now rummor is that there is no dpad on the Revolution. Recently one day I wrote on the board that I thought a cool commercial would involve people in Nintendo character suits running through the streets of a city chanting something about the Revolution; then a few days later the Pikmin 2 commercial came out with striking similarities. I guess I'm a prophet wasting my talents on predicting the future of the videogame industry. I predicted in 2003 that Nintendo would go this path with a revolution, and now they are. Nintendo agrees with me that the current market is saturated with hardware that is making boarders for software. There are too many people going for the same slice of pie. Consumers don't see a real difference between consoles, and they have to own two or three just to be able to play games all of the time. I'm sure Nintendo's next controller will still be able to play any GameCube game (most likely better) just as the DS can still do any GBA game. It's just that Revolution games will let you run the character's hand through the grass in a field and swing a sword. Nintendo has to offer something the competition is not, graphics are great but they are not enough. I would rather feel the cold air in a snow stage through my Revolution controller than have a keyboard in front of me on the Xbox 2. Nintendo is setting the new standard for realism, and it doesn't matter how powerful the PS3's Cell chip is when your still playing with a SNES controller. Games have gotten too complicated, I'm tired of spending an hour going through lessons on how to play a game before I can play it. Gyration is just part of the answer. Other ideas that have been bounced around on this board that seem likely are standard wirelessness (no controller ports), a handle for each hand rather than a unified controller, the floating analog stick, mice wheels, and new impulse/ sensory generators.
I don't like hearing people talking about not competing with the competition that shares the shelf with them, but I do understand that I'm not interested in what the competition is offering, which is the same thing we've already had but with better graphics. If Nintendo doesn't deliver with the Revolution I'm simply going to quit gaming because there is no other show in town offering something new. The industry has hit a cieling and once again it is up to Nintendo to save everyone's butts.
Post by: Sunshine_HappyPants on January 20, 2005, 06:09:46 PM
Do you forsee Nintendo following in the consolidation trend of the American marketplace and taking steps that would lead to an eventual merger/aqusition of a company the likes of Namco?
Is an increased stake in Bandai a given?
Throw me a bone here Nemo_83. I would take the initiative to make my own predictions concerning these and similar matters, but I'm the biggest jinx. I guess you don't have that problem, so I look to you for guidance.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 20, 2005, 11:08:48 PM
Post by: Sunshine_HappyPants on January 20, 2005, 11:29:13 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on January 20, 2005, 11:40:43 PM
Post by: Sunshine_HappyPants on January 20, 2005, 11:50:20 PM
If anything I'm impressed by what you've this day. Now let's put that arcane knowledge of the occult to use on one or more of my fine examples. Soothsay for me lad, I implore you!
Post by: vudu on January 21, 2005, 08:16:48 AM
QuoteI assume you're referring to Konami's exciting announcment.
Originally posted by: nemo_83
It won't be official until 27th.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on January 21, 2005, 09:21:41 AM
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I assume you're referring to Konami's exciting announcment.
I hope Konami doesn't screw the GC again with this "exciting announcement"
Though considering the track record I won't be surprised if they do.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 22, 2005, 07:56:59 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
If Microsoft speaks ouvertement of his Xbox 2, the buzz surrounding the fine Revolution, code name of the next parlor console signed Nintendo begins seriously to do to feel. With a name so revealing that some says long on the ambitions of the builder, Saturo Iwata declared recently to the Japanese press as it wanted with this machine to change our manner to play.
Today, this is a source 'anonymous' that we can judge of credible one (since that she had raised déja the sail on the capacities of the DS before his official announcement) that explains us this that would be the Revolution of Nintendo. Side software, the console would be compatible nostalgic style with the former games GameCube, a Great Smash Bros would already be to the half of his development and would be, just as a new Mario, foreseen for the launch line-up running 2006.
At the level of the console in itself, she should integrate two processeurs, include a high adapter debit, four harbors hand-levers, a hard disc as well as a usage of the new format in hd-dvd. If one wants well to believe the dream of these information, one continues with the pad that all good revolutionary one! Nintendo would use some does the technology Gyration in his hand-lever, a new system that permetterait to the player to feel the actions, to touch it, the matter smooths of a ground or again pricking them of a monster... It same source finishes his item while leaving us dreamer in front of 'Touching i's good goal feeling i's better'. That remains for the moment to the rumor stadium while awaiting l'E3 in next May with the presentation of the console during the lecture Nintendo.
» Babelfish English Translation Published the 16/01/2005 by Kevin Crouvizier
This was in the Cube board...is it time to change Fast Forward to the Revolution board?
on another board someone translated the page this came from and said there was something about smell generators. that board has been down for a few days now unfortunately. but this other thing from cube.ign may be related.
This week's question: Nintendo has indicated that it will launch Revolution against Sony's PS3, which is not expected to debut until 2006. Microsoft will allegedly release the successor to Xbox later this year. Why release the console against Sony's in 2006 and not against Microsoft's next in 2005? Do you foresee any drawbacks to releasing after Xbox 2?
Perrin Kaplan, VP of corporate affairs, Nintendo of America: Nintendo has yet to announce an official launch date for Revolution. So until that time, any rumored dates are pure speculation. Even in your question you've made an assumption we'll be after Microsoft and releasing around the same time as Sony. Aside from the 'date game,' most important is knowing if the next round of systems will bring gaming experiences brand new and innovative so consumers stay electrified.
Being first to market is no guarantee of success. The quality of what is launched is most important. We expect Revolution to be competitive because it will be innovative and a gas to play.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/581/581909p1.html?fromint=1
I was thinking, if Nintendo shiped Zelda this summer, they could launch the Revolution this fall against the NextBox.
I like that Kaplan said it will be a gas to play. It could just mean that the new controller makes gaming fun again, it could also be hinting at something deeper. Olfactory factories could be used in the next generatoin of gaming, but only if shiped with the systems. I'm wondering if such an output device could be used to view movies too, and if it would be a piece attached to headgear creating smells near the nostrils or if the smells would come out of the controllers?
Post by: odifiend on January 23, 2005, 03:19:57 AM
Post by: norebonomis on January 23, 2005, 01:14:23 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 23, 2005, 01:47:28 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2005, 07:35:22 PM
The two-processor stuff sounds like they're going to use those PPC970-thingies, which seem much better than those Cells to me. Less performance maybe but you can probably develop a game three times as fast on it and have significantly less bugs in the final version. I've read an article that interprets the Cell patent and what I read there sounded like a nightmare for any developer (no abstraction on a massively-multiprocessor system sounds like bugbait number one).
Post by: Ian Sane on January 23, 2005, 08:45:33 PM
I can see the headlines now. "Nintendo's new Revolution STINKS." The irritating puns just write themselves.
"This week's question: Nintendo has indicated that it will launch Revolution against Sony's PS3, which is not expected to debut until 2006. Microsoft will allegedly release the successor to Xbox later this year. Why release the console against Sony's in 2006 and not against Microsoft's next in 2005? Do you foresee any drawbacks to releasing after Xbox 2?"
Well Sony is the market leader so they should be the focus. I think the main reason though is that NCL acts like Japan represents the entire world market and thus doesn't acknowledge Microsoft as any sort of threat. I think the important thing is to not launch last. That was a big problem with last gen. The PS2 got a huge head start. However launching at the same time as someone else is dumb too. The Cube launch lost a lot of hype because the Xbox launched around the same time and it had a better flagship title and way better marketing.
Right now I think the Xbox 2 has the better strategy. They're going to be the first next gen console which will get them some more exposure and they aren't directly competing with another launch. Sure they'll be technically inferior but that's not that big of a deal. The PS2 for example was not affected by that. The Revolution is going to be the odd man out in press coverage. The Xbox 2 will have games being reviewed and most of the preview hype will go to the PS3. The Revolution will be a footnote. "Oh yeah and Nintendo has a new console too."
Since Nintendo has set themselves to launch after the Xbox 2 already they can't really change it or they'll pull a Saturn and get creamed by launching early with few games. So I think their best bet is to launch right between the other two. If the Xbox 2 and PS3 launches are a year apart then the Revolution has to launch around the six month mark. And I'm talking about the American launches here. If they're too close to one of the other launches they'll be overshadowed. In Japan however they may just have to beat the PS3 by at least a few months.
Post by: norebonomis on January 23, 2005, 09:01:55 PM
Post by: Caillan on January 23, 2005, 09:30:45 PM
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So I think their best bet is to launch right between the other two.
Yes. Unless the Revolution is something that will impress the mainstream media as well as content gamers, Nintendo will not get much attention at launch. The other possible 'Never Happening' would be a switch from Square-Enix and a FF launch title. This isn't as crazy as it sounds: SE develops game for the market leader, and if they had of released their PS2 games for the Cube instead in the past six months Nintendo would have consistently dominated the Japanese sales charts. The Don Quixote guy from GameSpy seems to think SE will attach itself to another developer soon, and Nnitnedo is apparently working closely with them for a DS wireless service. I realise Sony has shares in them, but Nintendo could buy a similar proportion before they have to go public about it.
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both Microsoft and Apple have their codecs in Blu-ray as well as HD-DVD, so we know whichever wins the two Computer giants will win.
There's only one computer giant in that psuedo-sentence.
Based on Nintendo's previous choices of media, I'm guessing they'll go with HD-DVD, despite Blu-Ray's obvious superiority in storage space and potantial. The PS3 will be using it and Nintendo will not be unfavourably compared to it. Can anyone produce approximate price comparisons between the two formats yet?
Post by: norebonomis on January 23, 2005, 10:15:19 PM
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There's only one computer giant in that psuedo-sentence.
opinion. o_0
Post by: Caillan on January 23, 2005, 10:38:19 PM
Post by: norebonomis on January 23, 2005, 11:18:18 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 24, 2005, 04:24:02 AM
Post by: TMW on January 24, 2005, 07:49:42 AM
Apparently, the same guy who leaked the DS spec sheet (which was spot on, if I remember correctly) also leaked this info about the Revolution.
And, it's gone HD-DVD. Take that, Sony.
Backwards compatibility YES!
Post by: Savior on January 24, 2005, 12:11:50 PM
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The PS2 for example was not affected by that. The
but the expectation of the PS2 stole alot of potential Sega Dreamcast buyers... the same thing could happen again... Being First doesnt always work. Being the best does. What will Microsoft use as their sales pitch? Alot of the first couple of months was This is the most powerfull system... Now the System will be the weakest. It might not have a HD, Its Graphics will look worse than the Revolutions. I see nothing positive. Especially since they wont have Halo for launch
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2005, 02:21:38 PM
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Gaming Age Forums wrote:
There’s already been at least one dodgy “leak” before about the Revolution, but supposedly the same tipster who dished some reliable early dirt on the DS has also given up some details about Nintendo’s next-generation game console. Here’s what this guy is claiming:
* That Nintendo is building gyroscopes into the controllers, presumably to add some sort of motion-control aspect to games.
* The console will have dual processors and built-in broadband (we’re assuming Ethernet, but maybe also WiFi?).
* There are no plans to connect the DS to the Revolution, but there could be some integration with the Game Boy Evolution.
* The Revolution will have four controller ports, a hard drive, and support for high-resolution displays and Dolby Digital 5.1 channel surround sound.
* The console will be backwards-compatibility with GameCube games, and in what would only be a swipe at Sony, its drive will use HD-DVD, rather than Blu-ray, discs.
* The console will launch with a new Mario game (of course), and there is a new Zelda game in the works.
* There’s some teaser stuff at the end about how the truly “revolutionary” part of the new console is going to be something that “is nothing new technically speaking. It’s just something that hasn’t really been applied to video games before.” The tipster also claims that his source would only tell him that “touching is good but feeling is better.”
We’re not even going to front that this stuff is all for real or not—we simply won’t know for sure until Nintendo unveils this thing at E3.
Post by: odifiend on January 24, 2005, 04:17:51 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2005, 04:49:02 PM
I posted it cause it was mentioned just above my last post,
and I know people hate when a posted link isn't clickable
so I just posted the info he was referring to.
Post by: RABicle on January 24, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
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I mean in terms of market share. I prefer Apple's products to Microsoft's myself, but they only hold about 0.5% of the desktop market, making them unfortuantly irrelevant.Apple are the 4th largest computer manufactorer, (not counting iPod) they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.
Revolution should only come in one colour: Red. The colour of revolution.
Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2005, 07:05:30 PM
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Originally posted by: RABicle
Revolution should only come in one colour: Red. The colour of revolution.
Yes a nice, what could only be described as a "Mario" red. That should add a bit o spice to anyones living room!
Post by: RABicle on January 24, 2005, 07:13:31 PM
Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2005, 07:20:40 PM
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Originally posted by: RABicle
Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.
Seems you could be more right than you think................RED
Post by: Caillan on January 24, 2005, 07:48:10 PM
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they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. (sic) And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.
Okay, well my figures may have been dodgy (that was the lowest one I've heard), but the most common figure I've seen is 1.7%. I'm more sure of the fact that the major GNU/Linux ditributions now have a larger proportion of desktop 'sales', even though Apple are now using the kernel themselves.
In the education sector, they have been screwed by Microsoft's tactic of giving everybody who makes the decisions free products. In terms of graphic design as well movie and audio creation they are still dominant in terms of quality, though Linux is advancing faster than its competitors in most of those areas as well.
Post by: Ages on January 24, 2005, 08:23:47 PM
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Originally posted by: DasmosQuote
Originally posted by: RABicle
Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.
Seems you could be more right than you think................RED
heh, i was just thinking about that "Communist Mario" site, ya beat me to it
Post by: norebonomis on January 25, 2005, 01:19:20 AM
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Originally posted by: AgesQuote
Originally posted by: DasmosQuote
Originally posted by: RABicle
Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.
Seems you could be more right than you think................RED
heh, i was just thinking about that "Communist Mario" site, ya beat me to it
omg, mario games should all have flag switching. Super Mario Revolution: Multiplayer. Capture the Flag!!!
viva la revolution!
Post by: Chode2234 on January 25, 2005, 08:22:20 AM
Especially since the components will be made by the same companies. I think it is in the works, mark my words... then flame me...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2005, 09:44:14 AM
Post by: Procession on January 25, 2005, 05:21:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Caillan
The 'inside source' that has been quoted sounds credible, but I think it's fake. Most of what they say is either partially confirmed already (e.g. broadband support and backwards compatability) or common sense (a Mario title is being developed etc.). Aside from the HD-DVD part, the rest is from rumourmongers like IGN.Quote
they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. (sic) And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.
Okay, well my figures may have been dodgy (that was the lowest one I've heard), but the most common figure I've seen is 1.7%. I'm more sure of the fact that the major GNU/Linux ditributions now have a larger proportion of desktop 'sales', even though Apple are now using the kernel themselves.
Apple doesn't use the Linux kernel. They use a sort of Mach and *BSD hybrid.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 26, 2005, 12:44:27 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 26, 2005, 04:12:27 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 26, 2005, 06:42:47 PM
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Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 27, 2005, 10:14:27 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 28, 2005, 12:06:12 PM
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2%204&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=nintendo.AS.&OS=an/nintendo&RS=AN/nintendo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/image1.jpg
The following is my thoery on what the patent is talking about. If you look at the first image, you can notice one character has x,y,z labeled next to them. The x,y,z is representing the 3 axis that are used when refering to the third dimention in math. It seems that the top "frame" displays the 2d y and z axis while the bottom one, in relation to the top, displays the full 3d image (x,y,z). Take a look at this quote from the abstract.
"The first frame 77 is set so that selected objects 81 through 84 are positioned inside of the first frame 77 when viewed from a direction of the line of sight. Furthermore, the first frame 77 is deformed in accordance with movements of the selected objects 81 through 84. Specifically, when all of the selected objects 81 through 84 are a predetermined distance away from one side of the frame 77 when viewed in the direction of the line of sight, the side is moved toward the inside of the first frame 77, thereby deforming the first frame 77. "
What I get from that is that in the main frame (77, the bottom frame where I believe the characters would seem to be in 3d) when you move said characters ( 81-84) accross to the end of the frame, the image will, as they call it, distort. By distort, I believe they mean that the whole image will move on foward and the characters instead of being at the end of the frame, will then be in the beginning. An example I can think of is Animal Crossing or Zelda: Link to the Past, where the world is split into grids, when you move from one area to another, the camera would pan over to display the next grid. This is how I envision this 3d display. When you reach the end of the 3d frame, the frame would adjust to show the next grid.
Further along, they make mention of multiplayer games and how they could be inplemented into this display. They basically said the frame would expand much like a camera zooms out, in order to show the full playfeild and all playable characters.
Page 4 is just another demonstration of the 3d plane/"frame".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/image2.jpg
Page 7 seems to show the secome 2d plane that only displays the x and y axis thats slightly above the playing frame.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/image3.jpg
The rest of the pages/images seem to show off how the frame would display mutliplayer games. Also, they mention coordinates alot within the images further establishing the idea of a true 3 dimentional plane since coordinates is a way to pinpoint areas in an x,y,z plane.
Other pages of note are 18, and 21-22 (descriptions of images on all pages)
18 shows what I believe to be the projection of the image through the screens
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/image4.jpg
Another good quote is
"BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
[0001] 1. Field of the Invention
[0002] The present invention relates to game systems and game programs that cause a game space to be displayed on a display device and, more specifically, to a game system and a game program that changes a display area according to positions of objects. "
Well, thats how I interpretted what I saw and read off the patent. My guess is that this was originally thought up as an add-on for the gamecube but now is being moved on towards the Rev. The current rumors of a dual processor on a Rev could be to better display these 2 frames. I believe this is so becuase Nintendo always puts alot of thought into the design of their systems. They will not go wit a dual processor just to up the graphics, there has to be a purpose for the decision and I think this 3d display patent could be it.
Also, some on the other forum are arguing that this patent is in relation to Zelda:Four Swords. Here's a quote from one of the other members there.
"1) Considering the GameCube is pictured...
2) Considering little guys with swords are pictured...
3) Considering the individuals who registered the patent worked on Four Swords Adventures....
4) Considering Four Swords Adventures uses a different screen setup to display player's screens... (thanks Z64)
5) The logical conclusion to come to would be that (sorry to poop on the parade) this has absolutely nothing directly to do with the Revolution -- but rather Four Swords Adventures on the Nintendo GameCube. That's not to say Nintendo won't utilize this technology for the next generation...but I highly doubt this patent is specifically for it."
My thoughts on this were.....
The Gamecube being pictured just makes me think this was an addon planned for the Gamecube originally. Remember, at one point, Nintendo said they wanted to extend the life of the Gamecube by providing add ons to enhance the experience.
The use of guys with swords in the pictures is just to better illustrate video games. Knights and dragons are commonly associated to games and fantasy. It's universal, when someone sees it, they picture role playing as a main character. They picture a game, board game or video game. If they had put a cruid drawing of a guy jumping and turtles or goombas on the plane, it'll be too specific to a particular game. The use of illustrations of guys with guns would be too violent. The guy with the sword, archer, pendent/item and dragon were just used for illustration purposes.
The tie ins with Zelda: Four Swords is there but I'm not completely sold on it. Zelda: FS was released June 7th and this patent was put forth on July 21st, a month later. Also, the images on the patent have a date on top for Jan 27th 2005. I'm not sure if thats the date the images were added onto the patent though. I hope someone can give me further info on this date. This just further supports my idea that this was created first as a Gamecube addon to extend its life but now is being expanded upon for an unknown (to us) purpose.
If you think about it, this can tie in to the Rev. A true 3d display can revolutionize things. They won't even have to match the graphics quality of the competition. High end graphics will not be able to compete with a true 3d display. The rumors so far are sudjesting that they are not using new tech but are using something that hasn't been applyed to games yet. Also, the talk of the dual processor makes me wonder. If Nintendo were to go with a dual processor design, there has to be a reason or purpose behind the move. The dual processor design is not just there to up graphics. The gyro/motion controller rumor also would fit into this type of gaming, moreso than on the tradition 3d games on a 2d television gaming.
Also, 3d can't be that far off as everyone claims. I remember playing a Sega fighting game at the arcades back in the 90s that used holograms to create a 3d display. The fighters would seem to stand out of the bottom screen. That was back in the 90s though, technology has advanced since then. Anyways, I'm just brainstorming, I'm not exactly sure what can or can not (realistically and economically) be done for a next gen home console.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 28, 2005, 01:45:07 PM
Post by: Shy Guy on January 28, 2005, 01:54:27 PM
I don't want to sound stupid (even though I know it's coming off that way...haha) but, what is the difference between true "3d display" and when games are rendered in 3d in this current generation such as RE 4?
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 28, 2005, 02:02:31 PM
Shy guy, when we speak of the 3d display we mean in actual 3d. The difference from the 3d we have now, ie RE4, is that in RE4 the 3d is being displayed on the tv. With the setup that I believe is being explained on the patent, the 3d will come out as if a hologram. Any action going on within the game will be displayed right in front of you. Just imagine Star Wars and how they have hologram messages where the person would seem to come out of the ground and be in front of you (although in Star Wars its in a much larger scale than what seems to be mentioned in this patent)
Post by: norebonomis on January 28, 2005, 03:31:47 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 28, 2005, 03:36:55 PM
EDIT: Okay, I noticed what was wrong with the address I proviced. The links should be fixed now. Also, I got some new ideas to throw in about this patent but I'll post that in a few, dont wan't to keep double posting and re editing lol.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 28, 2005, 04:07:33 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2005, 04:18:05 PM
Here is why:
One of two things would happen.
1) You will have to wear goggles, or Nintendo will find away to make that illusion without goggles (with may be impossible) then the system is just one big gimmick from the get go.
2)If it actually projects a 3D world up then I would be worried that the view would be too limited because of how little space would be available to view the image. As well would I have to design my room around the system and the image for me to have the perfect experience? Too many variables to make it viable to play.
Something like this would actually be great for an arcade system, but I have my doubts as for an actual home system.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 28, 2005, 04:48:40 PM
Anyways, a 17 inch display isn't too small as long as the view is panned out to where you can see a good amount of the playing feild. It may not be up close and detailed as we are used to but its good enough considering its true 3d.
EDIT: Well after another thorough read through, this time using the images whenever the text called for it, I've come to realize that the naysayers are right, this has nothing to do with a 3d display for Rev. They are just talking about a specific prog for a camera angle. I don't see what the point of the patent is. I'm sure Sony (or any other company) can find a loophole in all this and create practically the same thing for their games.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 28, 2005, 08:58:25 PM
by the way, did you provide a link for that cube.ign article http://cube.ign.com/articles/583/583559p1.html
there are some things on this board though that they didn't include in their speculation
they barely touched on new sensation output technologies built into the controller like new rumble, hot/cold, buzzing, and speakers in controllers
they also didn't offer any opinions on what would replace the dpad or face buttons, they only speculated it had something to do with gyration which hopefully it does but they still didn't offer an answer as to what they think might go in place of those missing parts. they did mention a track ball, but what about mice wheels, floating analog sticks, touch pads, or a flat disk you rotate with your thumb?
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 28, 2005, 09:24:58 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2005, 05:09:27 AM
This describes pretty much every 2d Zelda...
Post by: jimbojim on January 29, 2005, 03:18:50 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 29, 2005, 03:23:23 PM
How about we at least remember the confirmed facts.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 29, 2005, 05:34:56 PM
interesting thing about this new pattent though is the mention of warping the image so that you could have the area the character is in focused upon from a top down view towards the center of the image, but all of the edges of the projection would be curved upward like the lense of the eye so that even though one's view is above the characters one can still see an illusionistic/ traditional projection of the horizon line viewpoint. this could be used in shooters to get rid of tunnel vision. in other words you have your hologram projector creating fully 3d scultural characters in a space that has shallow depth surrounded on all sides by a panoramic 2d display of the game world just a normal tv would do. the projector, if it weren't a vr helmet, could be round (you rotate the device or just the projections to change the view point, hence the name revolution) so that the 2d panoramic display of the horizon would be continous.
Post by: Talon on February 02, 2005, 01:12:26 AM
Yes I'm sure Nintendo will give us new ways in which to play games like the DS and the bongo's etc...
But has anyone thought about the Revolution might have something to do with the development of games?
We all know that the cost to develop games is increasing to a point where a lot of smaller developers just arent going to be able to afford to make games as attractive and expansive as the big game players.
Maybe as part of Nintendo's Revolution they have found someway or created a stratedgy to lower the development cost of games. I do relise this is a big if, but if they can produce games of the same if not higher quality (imo they are always of higher quality) as their competitors in the Next Gen at a cheaper cost, it will mean bigger profits for them as well as a nice incentive for smaller developers to jump on the nintendo band wagon. (The more the merrier)
With cheaper development costs it might also entice some of the developers that have practically snubbed Nintendo in this round to port (Ports may not be as good as the original but its still a good selling point) if not develop games for the N5.
While im on the subject of developers, Nintendo may have improved relations with other big name companies that have currently not supported them, and the 'Revolution' may also have something to do with franchises moving from the other companies across to Nintendo.
I believe that new ways to interact with video games is only part of the Revolution... Cant wait to see what their whole take on this Revolution is.
Post by: odifiend on February 02, 2005, 05:11:14 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 02, 2005, 05:29:59 AM
I'd also like a "revolution" in cheap game development, but a couple of decades of research into software engineering says it's not going to happen.
Still, that would definitely be appreciated as well.
Post by: norebonomis on February 03, 2005, 12:17:32 PM
i've got it i've got it i've got it!
revolution = wireless HUB for wifi devices... including DSbrowser, DSemail, DSonlineplay, DSphone and of course. zelda. i dunno, random. shoot me.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2005, 01:21:52 PM
Like all Nintendo quotes regarding the Revolution there's the traditional "scare the crap out of Ian" line: "We don't have the slightest intention of making a machine that follows the same path as conventional game hardware."
Slightest intention? Geez that sounds harsh. That sounds like our way or the highway. "Slighest intention" to me sounds like "we don't plan at all to accomodate traditional game design". Every time I get myself into the mindset that, like the DS, the Revolution will allow for both wacky and traditional game design Nintendo pops one of these quotes on me and fills my head with Virtual Boys.
If Nintendo doesn't have the slighest intention of being conventional then a lot of gamers might not have the slighest intention of purchasing a Revolution.
Evolution = good. Compete change for no reason = bad.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2005, 01:50:32 PM
UH OH , being different is SCARY...Evolution is boring and pointless...It's called the Revolution for a reason, and I'm waiting for something that is more than just the same old conventional gameplay with a facial...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2005, 08:01:20 PM
No Evolution is essential. A complete overhaul of a method that is not broken solely for the purpose of being different is pointless. Evolution is superior because it provides OPTIONS. If you want to play old style games you can and there's room to make new types of games too. Everybody gets what they want. The whole reason Nintendo is nothing to the mainstream anymore is because they suck at providing options. Everything has to be their way. Well not everyone wants to always do it their way. People want to play every type of game and Nintendo for the last ten years hasn't let them.
Sony wins all the time because they provide the options and give people what they want. Nintendo loses because they're restrictive and TELL people what they want. If the Revolution is completely different then every console ever made it will be the most restrictive console since the Virtual Boy. Restrictive consoles fail because gamers and developers don't want to be stuck with a major limitation.
The only way a console that completely changes everything will succeed is if people view the new method as completely superior to the old method. There's like a one in a billion chance of that happening.
Post by: norebonomis on February 03, 2005, 09:05:21 PM
while i hope it is something that will blow all the sony and microsoft fanboys' heads apart (literaly) i have a hunch the revolution is gonna be gimmicky. (rubbing controllers??? stfu.)
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 04, 2005, 04:08:44 AM
Oh I'd love to hear why this is the case, and the controller isn't a good argument...
As you should know with the theory of evolution, a being can only change so much before transforming into something completely different; a new species...Well I see videogaming in this same category...The so-called "evolution" that we are in now has really brought nothing new to the table except increasingly complicated polygon whore fests...I see this in all the games this generation, Nintendo games included...In fact, if Nintendo didn't make such great games I wouldn't be gaming anymore, as I see that I'm playing the same genres using the same methods as I did years ago, except with more buttons and more button combos to pull off new moves...There's only so far you can take it, and this generation is the breaking point, in my opinion...
Of course, Nintendo IS taking a huge risk here, a risk I'm anticipating with much tension...Not because I don't think Nintendo has come up with a fantastic idea, but because of mindset of the industry as a whole...Why should someone like EA make games involving a new innovative method when they sell so much rehashing the same games over and over and over? But then again, gamers will eventually tire of this as I have already...
I'm sick of seeing ridicule for Nintendo for taking risks when they've been bashed the very same for NOT taking risks...I'm glad that someone out there realized that gaming is a sinking ship and said "Let's do something different." And if Nintendo fails then at least I'll be rid of the shithole that is our current gaming industry...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2005, 06:32:23 AM
The problem is you're seeing it purely in black and white. It's not just a matter of not taking risks and taking risks. Not taking risks is no good because it's clear that what Nintendo is doing now isn't working. However not all risks are equal. It's not just about taking risks it's about taking intelligent risks. I just don't see completely overhauling game design as an intelligent risk. I think that has a very high potential of turning away large chunks of the existing fanbase who don't feel that stuff like the Eyetoy is the way of the future. I also think that this decision is largely based on what's going on in the Japanese market and thus isn't a good strategy for the worldwide market. And finally I'm just afraid that Nintendo is going to stop making the types of games I'm interested in by going off on a bizarre tangent. You say that if Nintendo didn't make such great games you wouldn't be in gaming anymore. Well that's pretty much the same for me. So I'm afraid that if Nintendo goes off in too weird of a direction they won't make great games anymore or at least not games I consider great. So thus I'll be left with virtually no developers that appeal to me.
When I write about Nintendo taking risks I mean calculated intelligent risks like acquiring small but capable developers and allowing them to add diversity to Nintendo's lineup, making brand new games like Pikmin instead of relying so much on sequels, delving into other genres that Nintendo isn't really familiar with, trying new forms of marketing, and losing money in the short term to build a strong online presence for the future. Nintendo can take risks without doing something borderline insane.
Post by: vudu on February 04, 2005, 08:14:04 AM
QuoteThus far, all "leaked" info points to backwards compatability with the GameCube. If this is true, then I think it's safe to assume that the Revolution will be able to play traditional games. However, that could be a big "if".
"Slighest intention" to me sounds like "we don't plan at all to accomodate traditional game design". Every time I get myself into the mindset that, like the DS, the Revolution will allow for both wacky and traditional game design Nintendo pops one of these quotes on me and fills my head with Virtual Boys.
Post by: nemo_83 on February 04, 2005, 08:16:02 PM
a little common sense says that all three companies know what each are doing and are planing thier strategies accordingly. Sony could launch in March successfully, Nintendo though needs the Christmas season as their consoles are usually cheaper and easier to purchase as a presents
also, how can they claim they are not competing with the Xbox 2 and PS3 and claim they are not going to let the competition get a head start on them
Post by: mjbd on February 11, 2005, 01:07:40 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on February 21, 2005, 04:40:19 PM
Anyways, good points were brought up. I'm interested in the camera angle patent thing cause supposedly it's soppose to get rid of split-screens, even in games like FPS. Other topic that caught my attention was the whole Gyration concept. I liked the fact that you could came entirely with your arm, but what if you point of screen? In other words is the aiming system similar to duck hunt, or does pointing farther of to the right let's say, make you spin faster to the right? It's a good first step into to virtual reality. The samus concept fits perfectly with the control. Now what about other games. What about football or something? How would you move the player around the field? I don't know how fun it would be, but it would seem pretty ridiculous to twist your wrist this way and that to successfully complete a run. It (the controller) must include some type of other directional input i.e. an anolog stick. Also using one hand, even for Metriod, would take alot of concentration and skill. To aim with your arm, while moving forward somehow and maybe switching to missle mode. With two hands, sure it could be done, but aiming with both arms seems stupid at best. I mean, I don't want to be twisting my entire body just to play a game. It's not like i'm working out or stretching or something, I'm playing a freaking game in the comfort of my home. I guess it depends on how sensitive the gyroscope is.
All we can do is guess what the hell is going on, becuase no one knows what the Revolution is. All I can say is that Nintendo better know what they are doing. This isn't a concept in connectivity between two Nintendo products; This isn't the concept mic functionality, or two screens; This isn't an "innovative" concept for a game-----THIS IS A FREAKING CONSOLE. You see what happened to Sega? Ya don't let that happen to you Nintendo.
People hate to be let down. You might not of thought it by the sale figures, but Halo 2 dissapointed alot of people. Why? Becuase it was hyped to s**t.
I wish I had enough balls to break into the NOA....
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2005, 04:51:45 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on February 21, 2005, 05:34:09 PM
Maybe not hype but there is still a level of expectation set.
Post by: K-RPG on February 24, 2005, 06:12:43 PM
Quote
The Revolution hyped? Ahaha, everywhere I look I see people belittling...If anything Ninty could wow just based off hilariously low expectations...
Really? Huh? I've seen some pretty surprising stuff about legitimate gamers actually being intrested in whats so "revolutionary" about the Revolution. I tend to see that the people who be-little the revolution are ignorant troll fanboys, who have no other purpose but to troll stuff that doesnt originate from there fav. company. In that case? Who cares. They werent potential customers in the first place, so why care what they think?
my wild, out of the park educated guess on the Revolution :
Dual Processors (1.8, Probably Power PC G5's)
256 MB Ram
Custom ATI Video Card, 128/256 MB
15 GB, 7200 RPM Hard-Drive
720p compliant
Dolby 5.1 Digital Surround Sound
Gyration enabled controllers
Wi-Fi or Wi-Max enabled
With some other stuff, I cant really comprehend of this moment.
Post by: slingshot on February 25, 2005, 04:18:42 PM
I've had the SNES, 64, and Cube, I sold my Sega Genesis, and only bought FF games for my PS> I will buy the next gen
Nintendo no matter what they do with it. I'm a die hard fan.
I'm sure Ex-Box will be cool, and P.retty S.h!++y 3 will be cool- but I'm going N all the way.
Post by: mjbd on February 26, 2005, 11:51:59 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 26, 2005, 12:30:41 PM
It could be complete crap and people like me would still buy it for Metroid and Zelda.
It could be the best piece of hardware ever designed by human hands and some people would still find reasons to complain or brush it off.
Post by: Urkel on February 26, 2005, 04:28:18 PM
The fact that gaming journalists call the PSP revolutionary and the DS's touchscreen a gimmick shows what kind of mindset they have. They're paid off by Sony
Post by: mjbd on February 27, 2005, 11:43:37 AM
Reggie Fils-Aime seems to have a great understanding of what nintendo needs to do, and recently commented on past mistakes that they dont plan to make again. I think Nintendo is on the right track, more powerful hardware is important, but doesnt really change things to much. New and fun ways of gaming is what will be trully revolutionary. Cant wait for E3.
Post by: Galford on February 27, 2005, 02:56:46 PM
the question is, will NCL not get in the way of Reggie??
It's seems that NOA knows what to do, but will NCL
let them do it?
PS - About your sig, were you a member of
OPN2000 back in the day?
Post by: mjbd on February 27, 2005, 03:18:15 PM
Post by: ZombieGalford on February 28, 2005, 02:21:28 PM
I kinda blame Sony for this. They were talking about PS3 back in
1999. The only reason Xbox2 is releasing so early is that Sony
is releasing PS3 in 06. I hope Nintendo doesn't wait a year again.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 14, 2005, 04:11:35 PM
President Satoru Iwata discusses Nintendo's next game machine, which will stress intuitiveness, easy of use and mysterious new features
Nintendo helped revolutionize the video-game industry and continues to dominate the handheld console business with its GameBoy Advance and new Nintendo DS. But on Mar. 24, Sony will launch its new PlayStation Portable handheld. Along with Microsoft which makes the Xbox, it's also challenging Nintendo in next-generation home consoles.
At the annual Game Developer's Conference in San Francisco on Mar. 10, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata outlined his broad vision for keeping his company in the race. Widely believed to be available in 2006, Nintendo's next game console, code-named Revolution, will be backward compatible with previous generations of games, wirelessly enabled, and equipped with numerous (still unnamed) features that will change the way people play games, according to Iwata.
It's a tall order. In a one-on-one interview, BusinessWeek Correspondent Cliff Edwards talked to him about those goals and the increasing competition facing Nintendo. Here are some edited excerpts:
Q: You mentioned Nintendo Revolution will have a totally new interface, a completely different look for gamers. Can you elaborate?
A: The new interface will allow some new forms of innovation. Already, you're seeing changes in Nintendo DS, which has a microphone, input pen, and touch screen. We have a number of candidates for a new interface but are not ready to reveal them. All I can say right now is that whatever we choose will be intuitive and easy to use for everyone.
Q: Well, you showed several new games that used voice commands. Is that one of your candidates?
A: It certainly makes a game better to have voice commands, because it can alter how the game is played. But the fact of the matter is, to realize voice commands, all you have to do is install a microphone. We realize a few of our competitors are already thinking of following us on this, so it will not be a defining feature of the new console. We may or may not use the microphone in the new [Nintendo Revolution] interface.
Q: You also challenged game developers to think outside of the box on new games. Why?
A: Games already pretty much have reached the point of photo-realism. Working on more intense graphics is not the only path we can take anymore. Simply relying on the sheer horsepower of the machine will not bring the industry a bright future.
Q: When will you get Revolution development kits out to game creators?
A: Development kits are already out there, depending on which stage you're talking about. All I can say right now is "in the near-future" for the basis platform information they will need to get started on games.
Q: A lot has been said about Microsoft's new Xbox console coming out later this year. If that's the case, it may have a year's lead on you, and many are predicting Nintendo will be the big loser, not Sony. What are your thoughts here?
A: Whether Nintendo is a winner or loser on Revolution totally depends on how our customers react to it, and since they do not know much about it, I can't respond. A year or two from now, it will be interesting to know who ultimately made the right choices. I'm confident we have made the right decisions.
Q: Still, a lot of people say there are lessons to be learned from previous mistakes with console introductions. What have you learned from Nintendo's missteps?
A: I should point out two lessons: We really needed to understand the differences and the needs of the territories, and also the importance of timing. It's important not only to have the right timing of when the hardware is going to be released but also when we are going to be able to introduce quality software.
Q: Nintendo is one of the biggest game software publishers in the world. Does having such big hits make it more difficult to get third-party publishers like Electronic Arts on board, since they have to compete with you?
A: Of course, third-party publishers, like everyone, face increasing risks associated with creating games, and you have to target your resources to the right places and the right platforms. Our competitors [in the hardware business] are the ones who are willing to shell out big money to ensure third-party support, but I believe as long as Nintendo can find the appropriate strategy to make us stand out, they will develop for our platforms.
found it at nintendo.com's game watch forum.
Post by: PJ gamer10 on March 15, 2005, 07:50:24 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on March 15, 2005, 12:37:30 PM
Sega released the Dreamcast which did everything and more that PSX and N64 could do graphically and control wise, but then three dual analog systems were released with supperior graphics hardware.
Now MS is going to release a system which graphically compared to the Xbox and GameCube is like the Saturn or Dreamcast compared to their respective previous generations. Yeah MS is screwed if the past really does say something about the future. Nintendo and Sony will have a year to release better looking games and better controllers.
Even if Nintendo only puts one gyro in their controller they still destroy MS's rehashed Stype NextBox controller.
Iwata says that graphics are already about to be photorealistc and he is asking what are we going to do now to make games more realistic?
Post by: PowerHair on March 15, 2005, 06:55:48 PM
The PS2 has inferior graphics and still outsells the others. If the Xenon is released this year and the others next year, Microsoft may be hoping to do the same thing Sony did. It may end up being weaker than the revolution or PS3, but as we've aready seen that doesn't matter.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 16, 2005, 11:28:14 AM
I think Microsoft is in a more favourable position. It has tons of money, the Xbox is riding high on the Halo wave, and Xbox Live does and will continue to offer the most refined online experience. Nobody sees Microsoft's console as a failure except for hardcore geeks and maybe a few financial analysts who know that Xbox has lost tons of money. Most customers don't know, and don't really care: Xbox is cool, and it came from nowhere to take second place in North America.
That's not to say MS doesn't face any challenges. An early launch could result in too few games to satisfy customers; the new system is likely to go from most powerful to least powerful; the company is trying to make a profit by dumping features like the harddrive; MS doesn't seem to be introducing anything new, while Sony and Nintendo both have more advanced controllers in the works. These things could definitely turn the Xenon into another Saturn or Dreamcast, but I think it's too early to tell.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2005, 07:34:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
CouchMonkey -- you mentioned sony had a new controller in the works, can you explain further?
I believe that THIS might be what CouchMonkey was referring to.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 21, 2005, 05:52:06 AM
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Post by: slingshot on March 22, 2005, 03:20:31 AM
at some point, but it WILL NOT be THE controller. True, it has some pretty cool aspects to it for shooters, and driver games,
But it is just not versatile enough to be used across the board.
How long would you have to hold your arm straight out? I'm sure this glove would NOT be weightless- hold something in
your hand that is about a pound, and then hold your arm straight out for 2 hours- moving it around left and right quickly.
My bet is that your give up after 20 minutes. Most of us hold our controller in our hands, and rest our hands on something
as we play- our lap, a table, the arm of a chair, a pillow... The glove idea can't work. for that reason.
You want another reason? WIll they make a lefty- righty glove? 2 gloves would be a production/
marketing nightmare. And you can't exclude your left handed players.
Post by: pitbull on March 23, 2005, 06:26:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2005, 06:56:06 AM
(And yes, I find the SK thing still way too fishy to take lightly)
Post by: pitbull on March 23, 2005, 11:29:12 PM
