Post by: Stereo-Type on May 09, 2004, 07:15:45 AM
A quote from Famitsu's president Hirokazu Hamamura has sent the gaming world into a state of deep confusion.
In a recent Yahoo! story about the PSP and DS there was an interesting quote by the president of Famitsu that has caused a stirring.
"This will not be a machine where you push the 'A' button or 'B' button and move the direction pad, but a completely different way to interact with the device."
This interesting quote has sprung many ideas and a while ago it was suggested that the DS would have a touch screen. Expect proper details on Tuedsay at E3.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 09, 2004, 07:52:35 AM
Post by: jmoe316 on May 09, 2004, 08:04:12 AM
jk
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 09, 2004, 08:08:11 AM
Somehow, 100+ developers don't agree...
Post by: jmoe316 on May 09, 2004, 08:31:51 AM
Post by: Uglydot on May 09, 2004, 08:34:36 AM
Edit:typo
Post by: StrikerObi on May 09, 2004, 09:07:24 AM
Post by: Nintendoholic on May 09, 2004, 09:51:40 AM
Post by: mrbojangos on May 09, 2004, 09:58:34 AM
Post by: StrikerObi on May 09, 2004, 10:07:20 AM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on May 09, 2004, 10:10:06 AM
I'm interested in knowing what the DS will be like more than before.... Just two more days.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2004, 11:25:18 AM
Two screens is a fine idea because traditional one screen games can still exist. With no buttons it means those games can't exist at all on the DS.
E3 just keeps getting more interesting doesn't it?
Post by: jasonditz on May 09, 2004, 04:42:40 PM
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the new market would be the hundreds of million of people worldwide who have played video games and don't own a Gameboy.
Take my parents, for example. Back in the early 80's video games were a major part of their entertainment budget. They bought dozens if not hundreds of Atari 2600 games. They played, their friends played... they were simple and approachable, and fun.
When the NES came out, I couldn't get them to touch it. All those buttons and directional pads were intimidating. That has gotten worse over the last few generations, not better.
The real money in the DS is not in the overlap with the GBA (although it will overlap somewhat). Its in all those people who would like to play video games but feel the games are unapproachable. If the control system is intuitive (and a touchscreen is certainly easy enough to understand, remember, this is the generation that plays all those touch screen slot machine games at casinos) and there are games that don't have a huge learning curve to get started with, they will play them.
This was posted be me in another thread a couple days ago.
I'm also available for picking out lottery numbers if you guys are looking for a prophet.
Post by: jasonditz on May 09, 2004, 04:46:45 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 10, 2004, 02:20:43 AM
Bill: I think he meant it would be gimmicky if it was like that and from the response we can assume that it's NOT gimmicky, so it's not like that.
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 10, 2004, 06:17:42 AM
If one d-pad and two action buttons is intimidating for someone then videogames just aren't for them. Someone who can't handle something as simple as that shouldn't even be able to handle most classic arcade games. I don't want Nintendo wasting time targeting this group. My dad is in the same category. He can't even play Tetris. As a result he's not interested in games nor does he want to be. So even if Nitnendo tried to make something for him odds are he doesn't even want to try it.
Plus I would consider a complete lack of buttons to be even more complicated. That concept intimidates me and I've played games for years.
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 08:39:45 AM
Beyond Pacman Vs., I can't think of a single new (arcade compilations don't count) Gamecube game I could get them to try. Its not just about the controls, but about the complexity of the game. I mean yes, the D+pad was a conceptual leap for them over the joystick, but I think with a lineup of software that didn't have such a learning curve they would've given it a try.
The home video game industry lost a significant customer base between the Atari generation and the Nintendo generation. It didn't really matter for awhile because those people had young kids to spend money on games for anyhow. Now that their kids are grown up and moved out and they are approaching retirement age, maybe its time to get them back.
Remember before you freak about "no buttons" that Pacman, Bubbles, and Robotron were all buttonless.
Post by: vudu on May 10, 2004, 09:27:05 AM
Quotedon't forget super monkey ball.
Remember before you freak about "no buttons" that Pacman, Bubbles, and Robotron were all buttonless.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 10, 2004, 10:04:03 AM
Yeah and all of those games are great but I don't want to play nothing but. Sorry if this sounds selfish but I don't give a f*ck what people who quit playing decades ago think. All I care about is if games I and people like me want to play are made. I don't mind a simple high score dependent game once in a while but I like games that have some complexity and depth to it.
If the DS could play nothing but Atari era style games who here would actually buy it? I know I wouldn't.
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 10:44:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Remember before you freak about 'no buttons' that Pacman, Bubbles, and Robotron were all buttonless."
Yeah and all of those games are great but I don't want to play nothing but. Sorry if this sounds selfish but I don't give a f*ck what people who quit playing decades ago think. All I care about is if games I and people like me want to play are made. I don't mind a simple high score dependent game once in a while but I like games that have some complexity and depth to it.
If the DS could play nothing but Atari era style games who here would actually buy it? I know I wouldn't.
Like Shigeru said before though, every time you add complexity you shrink the market. The Atari-era player is an extreme example, but I have to admit even I was a bit put-off by the 3D platformers at first (and to this day I prefer the 2D Mario and Sonic games to their 3D counterparts).
If each new generation is about making more complex games that leaves Nintendo working harder and harder for a piece of a smaller and smaller pie. I hate to say it, but the market for players like us is pretty well saturated. I couldn't possibly spend more money on games than I already do.
It really wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to target the DS at the GBA crowd. I mean sure, some of us will buy it anyways, but if I didn't spend it on a DS I'd probably spend it on other games. I think the DS will be offering games for all markets (Dynasty Warriors probably proves that there will be buttons), but they had to break away from the Gameboy image if they wanted to attract the older player...
Post by: vudu on May 10, 2004, 11:42:23 AM
Quotethat's like saying it doesn't make sense for sony to target the ps2 crowd when the ps3 is released. it makes perfect sense. granted, the ps3 is the successor to the ps2, not a "third pillar". so i take that back--it's like saying it doesn't make sense for sony to target the ps2 crowd with the psp.
It really wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to target the DS at the GBA crowd. I mean sure, some of us will buy it anyways, but if I didn't spend it on a DS I'd probably spend it on other games.
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 12:34:14 PM
Post by: vudu on May 10, 2004, 12:50:35 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 10, 2004, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 01:26:10 PM
Like not everyone who owns a GBA owns a Gamecube, and yet they did connectivity.
Post by: vudu on May 10, 2004, 01:57:48 PM
Quoteask nintendo if they would like it if everyone who owned a gba bought a gamecube. i bet i know their answer.
Like not everyone who owns a GBA owns a Gamecube, and yet they did connectivity.
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 03:17:11 PM
Post by: vudu on May 10, 2004, 03:37:54 PM
by and by, e3 is less than 48 hours away ... shouldn't a picture of the ds system and/or a screen shot of a ds game been leaked by now? nintendo's really doing a great job of keeping this thing under wraps until the official unveiling.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 10, 2004, 04:53:20 PM
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Originally posted by: kingvudu
that's hardly the point. the point was you said it didn't make sense for nintendo to target the same group with the ds and the gba, which i disagree with. whichever the consumer chooses, i'm sure nintendo will be happier if it's one of their systems, and not the psp/n-gage/zodiac/etc.
by and by, e3 is less than 48 hours away ... shouldn't a picture of the ds system and/or a screen shot of a ds game been leaked by now? nintendo's really doing a great job of keeping this thing under wraps until the official unveiling.
I know, isn't the press conference tomorrow? How has something not gotten out? Usually IGN has stuff early, like the day before the press conference at E3 2001 the GCN logo leaked ... i remember that fondly
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2004, 06:38:05 PM
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Originally posted by: kingvudu
that's hardly the point. the point was you said it didn't make sense for nintendo to target the same group with the ds and the gba, which i disagree with. whichever the consumer chooses, i'm sure nintendo will be happier if it's one of their systems, and not the psp/n-gage/zodiac/etc.
The thing is, most people don't own multiple consoles.
I'm just saying the people that already have a GBA and are happy with it and still buying software for it are not a good target market for the DS, because chances are they're going to stop buying GBA games.
You want to target people who either don't have a GBA, or have one and aren't really buying games for it.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 11, 2004, 02:35:43 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
From everything I've heard its definately touch screen as opposed to touch pad. They were talking about things like using a screen as a customizable control system where the programmer can put however many buttons, etc, on the screen as they want.
From what I understood that's just a theory that originated on some forum. I don't recall anything close to an official source (not even a news site) saying that.
Post by: jasonditz on May 11, 2004, 08:35:28 AM
