Post by: kusanagi on April 14, 2004, 12:16:55 PM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/506/506508p1.html
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 14, 2004, 12:24:10 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2004, 12:24:47 PM
Post by: Pinnacle on April 14, 2004, 12:32:09 PM
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on April 14, 2004, 12:33:02 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 12:33:57 PM
Factor 5 didn't drop Nintendo. Factor 5 dropped Gamecube.
All this means as of now is that they're concentrating on Pilotwings for GCNext.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 14, 2004, 12:35:36 PM
LOL, wake up
Post by: akdaman1 on April 14, 2004, 12:35:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
What the f*ck is with all of the sh!tty news lately? I don't want to find all this out in a span of less than 24 hours. At this rate Nintendo will announce they've gone third party by Friday.
You sound suprised ...Nintendo fked up again.
Post by: Informant on April 14, 2004, 12:36:44 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2004, 12:39:49 PM
Actually it's not too surprising since there were rumours of Factor 5 giving up on the Cube for a while. I'm just really frustrated because this is such lousy timing. We're all upset over the Silicon Knights thing and then THIS gets springed on us. Talk about pouring salt on the wound.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 12:40:20 PM
Did you even check the link provided?
Don't make me call you a retard.
Once again:
They are dropping GAMECUBE, not NINTENDO.
This changes NOTHING. The only game they were making that we knew about was Pilotwings, which, guess what, WASN'T for GAMECUBE.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 14, 2004, 12:41:25 PM
This is definately true. Deal with it.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 12:42:58 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and call you a retard now.
Retard.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 14, 2004, 12:44:10 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 12:45:47 PM
What's wrong with that?
I don't see anywhere in the article that says anything that would make me think Pilotwings isn't coming out for GCNext.
Seems to me like you're just pulling stuff out of your behind.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2004, 12:46:22 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 14, 2004, 12:49:49 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 12:58:42 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on April 14, 2004, 01:19:49 PM
Please. Nintendo is falling off the cliff. You guys dont notice it yet.
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 01:24:36 PM
Post by: Molobert on April 14, 2004, 01:31:14 PM
"In a conversation with IGNcube today, Factor 5 president Julian Eggebrecht said the company would not develop any more titles for Nintendo's GameCube console. The studio is currently creating software for other platforms"
They're currently making games for other platforms, and since it is doubtful that the GCNext development software is out they're probably working on PS2/PSP/Xbox games.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 01:41:51 PM
And Cubed, Factor 5 currently has a contractual obligation to make Pilot Wings seeing as they already WERE. Maybe if you were less concerned with pissing people off and more concerned with actually looking at the facts, everyone wouldn't hate you for a change.
Post by: CHEN on April 14, 2004, 01:42:33 PM
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Yep, you just keep waiting for pilot wings pal, LMAO
I will, thank you. Nintendo still owns Pilot Wings. I'm relieved it won't be developed by Factor 5, I'm more confident if it would fell in Japanese hands. At least they won't make it action-oriented with retarded AI. Pilot Wings isn't about that.
Post by: Kyosho on April 14, 2004, 02:46:03 PM
... let's just have the Japanese companies export games and have them translated. I've been wanting to play a bunch of japanese game cube games but i cant read japanese.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 02:48:43 PM
I'm only going to say this one more time. Read this very carefully.
As of right now, there is no indication Factor 5 is working on anything except Pilotwings. This has been the case since Rogue Leader II came out. Nothing has changed.
If you've got some evidence here that I'm not seeing that somehow contradicts what I just said, by all means, please share it. Why is everybody seeing stuff that I'm not seeing?
Post by: kennyb27 on April 14, 2004, 02:49:31 PM
QuoteActually, MC, they're right; Factor 5 did drop GameCube, that's what the news is about. LA dropped GameCube development about two weeks ago.
Factor 5 didn't drop the Gamecube, LucasArts did.
QuoteActually, that's the point. Chances are Factor 5 still is developing Pilotwings.
I will, thank you. Nintendo still owns Pilot Wings. I'm relieved it won't be developed by Factor 5, I'm more confident if it would fell in Japanese hands.
Edit: Paladin, the reason for the news is that Factor 5 dropped the possibility that they would create more titles for GCN. In the past there was still that possibility. Of course I may have just misread your whole statement and we may both be saying the same thing.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 03:15:40 PM
I'd be fine with this if everybody's mindset was, "Oh well, now they're definitely moving on to the next generation" like mine...
But apparently it's, "Oh no, Factor 5 is breaking up with Nintendo, Nintendo is doomed!"
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 14, 2004, 03:24:18 PM
Post by: Arbok on April 14, 2004, 03:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
NO MORE GENERIC ROGUE LEADERS? I AM CRUSHED, I THINK I SHALL WEE MY UNDIES AND COMMIT SUICIDE.
While its true, their last game left a lot to be desired... but still, it was their commitment to making technological advances for Nintendo that I will miss the most...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 14, 2004, 03:37:23 PM
I think, and I hope this is right, that Factor 5 only dropped GAMECUBE support. N5 may not be out of the question, since they DO have the contract to make Pilotwings, and they haven't said anything about dropping Nintendo altogether.
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 03:46:06 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 03:58:28 PM
There is no chance of anybody buying Factor 5. Lucasarts owns Factor 5. Nintendo never owned stock in it anyway. Factor 5 was, is and always will be third party. They never had any obligation to develop for Gamecube, just GCNext, and now they're saying they're not going to develop for Gamecube.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
People, stop being paranoid!
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 04:01:11 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 04:05:23 PM
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The Omen, Rare did that when Nintendo sold its stock and Microsoft bought it out. Of course they're not gonna develop for a competitor.
what i'm saying is, there may not even be a contract. How do you know? Because Cube-Europe posted PilotWings exists? Even if they were working on it, then decided not to, Factor5 could find literally dozens of ways to get out of it.
Post by: akdaman1 on April 14, 2004, 04:17:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"You sound suprised ...Nintendo fked up again."
Actually it's not too surprising since there were rumours of Factor 5 giving up on the Cube for a while. I'm just really frustrated because this is such lousy timing. We're all upset over the Silicon Knights thing and then THIS gets springed on us. Talk about pouring salt on the wound.
Silicon Knights news came as I was getting over the loss of TOS. The bad news just keeps on coming.
Post by: ecliptic on April 14, 2004, 04:19:15 PM
"We are extremely excited about XNA, both as a middleware provider and as a game developer. Tools are the only chance for future success in this industry, and never has this been more true than now. As we move into next-generation development, the expectations of gamers and the abilities of hardware open almost limitless possibilities for content creators. Without the right tools, developers will not be able to keep up with the pace -- XNA is what the industry needs right now."
Julian Eggebrecht, President, Factor 5 LLC
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 04:21:49 PM
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Only the most hardcore Nintendo fan would think nothing has changed. Hell Factor 5 is a large supporter of Microsoft's XNA.
Factor 5 has personally created hardware tools for the XBox, just as they did with the Gamecube (although they didn't create near as many). Don't try to make it sound like F5 are MS fanboys, now, though, because that's NOT the case.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 04:27:26 PM
I mean, I'm sorry I don't believe baseless conjecture by prepubescent idiots jumping at any chance to attack Nintendo, but it's not because I'm a Nintendo fan, it's just because it's baseless.
If you find me anything that states that Factor 5 is not developing for GCNext, has dropped work on Pilotwings or was developing anything on GC in the first place before this announcement, then I'll believe your paranoid ramblings.
Post by: Perfect Cell on April 14, 2004, 04:30:48 PM
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NO MORE GENERIC ROGUE LEADERS? I AM CRUSHED, I THINK I SHALL WEE MY UNDIES AND COMMIT SUICIDE.
Thats funny, Rouge Squadron pretty much saved the Gamecubes pathetic launch vs the X-box and Halo. Unless of course most people bought Gamecubes to play Wave Race.
Sure the last one wasnt really good and sold accordingly ,but im pretty pissed about loosing Factor 5. Rouge Squadron sold really really well at launch, dropping GCN just because of one title is disgusting by Lucas Arts.
Post by: Rich on April 14, 2004, 04:36:27 PM
IGN reported last year at E3 that PilotWings was definetly being developed by Factor5
Something I'm not sure about is whether Factor5 is own by LucasArts. The reason I'm not sure is because Nintendo would be publishing their own property, in this case PilotWings. So Factor5 would have to be indepent from LucasArts if Nintendo is publishing one of their titles.
Post by: ecliptic on April 14, 2004, 04:40:17 PM
You don't find it obvious? When right after Microsoft's XNA announcement with Factor 5's praise, they ditched the Gamecube. Were you one of the ones who damage controlled this also?
http://www.gamecubicle.com/images/rarecard.jpg
Yet now you are damage controlling an announcement from Factor 5. The problem with Nintendo fans are they deny or bash anything that goes bad for Nintendo.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 04:44:26 PM
They've been working on Pilotwings for quite a while now and it's not for GCN. I'm sorry, since you're the one arguing they're not making it anymore, the onus is on YOU, not me, to prove anything.
Jesus, now I'm damage controlling? Do you even know what damage control means? Where's the damage?
Why can't anybody clearly state just what the hell the damage is?
Because there IS NONE.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 04:52:35 PM
Post by: ecliptic on April 14, 2004, 04:53:15 PM
Things HAVE changed wether you want to deny it yourself or not.
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Eh, Paladin's right on this one, ecliptic- you're looking for a reason to attack Nintendo rather than looking at the facts. Just because Factor 5 isn't slobbering over Nintendo doesn't mean they hate them. Like I said, drop your the case you're pushing because it won't go anywhere.
When did I ever says Factor 5 hates anyone?
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 04:56:44 PM
Post by: OG_OriginalGamer on April 14, 2004, 05:02:53 PM
-Bloodworth
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2004, 05:06:25 PM
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According to Eggebrecht, the only reason Factor 5 has stopped making GameCube games was that they've abandoned current-generation hardware altogether. "It is simply because we have moved into next-generation development," he said.
BAM!!!
I guess hearing about this right after all this SK crap didn't help (although Matt's been mentioning it for a while on IGN), but we all need to learn to stop jumping to conclusions.
Great find, OG.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 14, 2004, 05:13:20 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on April 14, 2004, 05:19:30 PM
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As for which future console Factor 5 was creating games for, Eggebrecht was unspecific, saying only "there might be a surprise [announcement] coming from us."
Doesnt sound like they are Nintendo exclusive either, so its not simply one for the "blind nintendo fanboys" Its much better than i thought, but not that much.
I will say their DS comment made me happy. I dont think Factor 5 has made a handheld title yet.
Post by: CaseyRyback on April 14, 2004, 05:52:54 PM
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As for which future console Factor 5 was creating games for, Eggebrecht was unspecific, saying only "there might be a surprise [announcement] coming from us."
Doesnt sound like they are Nintendo exclusive either, so its not simply one for the "blind nintendo fanboys" Its much better than i thought, but not that much.
I will say their DS comment made me happy. I dont think Factor 5 has made a handheld title yet.
They have the privaledges of being exclusive without being exclusive. Factor 5 helped out with hardware and compression so they know how to get the most out of the system. They also get the benefit of Nintendo letting them work on franchises
Post by: Arbok on April 14, 2004, 05:55:20 PM
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Originally posted by: OG_OriginalGamer
According to Eggebrecht, the only reason Factor 5 has stopped making GameCube games was that they've abandoned current-generation hardware altogether. "It is simply because we have moved into next-generation development," he said.
Most excellent, glade you got that quote for others to see... hope Planetgamecube makes sure to mention it when they run the story. Its a little more easier to stomach that Factor 5 has moved onto a next generation console from the Gamecube, as opposed to the Xbox or PS2.
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2004, 06:11:45 PM
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If you find me anything that states that Factor 5 is not developing for GCNext, has dropped work on Pilotwings or was developing anything on GC in the first place before this announcement, then I'll believe your paranoid ramblings.
I'm pretty sure Pilotwings has not been announced. I believe the rumor started because IGN said it. I don't know where Factor 5 or Nintendo have ever mentioned it. If you provide me with the link, Paladin, i'll leave it be, and be quite happy.
Post by: Rich on April 14, 2004, 06:30:22 PM
On another note, I didnt think that thr "Rogue Trilogy" was ever coming to Xbox because they would have to recode everything for the Xbox, because the Xbox can't do what Rogue did with the Gamecube.
Post by: savanna03 on April 14, 2004, 06:58:23 PM
since SILICON KNIGHT is my fav studio, i guess its time for me to buy more than one console then... arggghh, this suck.
Post by: Zeks on April 14, 2004, 06:59:07 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on April 14, 2004, 08:54:02 PM
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Did you scoff at the rumor of Factor 5 bringing the Rogue Squadron trilogy to the Xbox?
Would that really be the end of the world? Ports of old GC and N64 games showing up on the Xbox doesn't concern me at all...
For that matter, I think RS3 showed just how short on ideas Factor 5 is getting... half the time I had to remind myself I was even playing a different game from RS2.
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Post by: jasonditz on April 15, 2004, 11:23:52 AM
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I couldn't care much less about this. All this means is that they won't be making any more games for the GameCube. That just means that they can concentrate even more on doing stuff for Nintendo's, Microsoft's, and Sony's next consoles.
Which makes a lot of sense because you could see how little improvement they were able to make between RS2 and RS3 (despite having years of time between them).
F5 seems to need new technology to make any real advancements to their software, they either need to come up with some more creative game design people to complement all those tech wizzes, or they need to just release one game per console and release it at launch.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 15, 2004, 11:36:01 AM
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Which makes a lot of sense because you could see how little improvement they were able to make between RS2 and RS3 (despite having years of time between them).
Eh, maybe you didn't SEE a big difference, but Rebel Strike improved on Rogue Leader quite a bit. It had a more stable framerate, pushed almost twice as many polygons per second, used a wider array of textures, and even included some effects that Factor 5 didn't think were possible this generation, like the atmospheric light filtering. Not only all that, but Factor 5 vastly improved the water- whereas it was a facade created in literally a week for RL, it had actual motion and physics and volume in RS.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 15, 2004, 12:19:48 PM
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It had a more stable framerate.
I do not agree with that. Space-flight missions were more fluid, yes, but the terrestrial flight missions were unstable. And sadly, the Luke/"bike" missions only ran at 30fps, half the framerate the rest of the game tried to be at. Factor 5 was trying to push more polygons than they should have, which to me is "bad" engineering in the way that they were going *over* their resource budget. I believe they didn't maximize the 3D engine within proper limits, and instead pushed on with "MORE MORE MORE!".
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 15, 2004, 01:41:34 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on April 15, 2004, 03:51:55 PM
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Which makes a lot of sense because you could see how little improvement they were able to make between RS2 and RS3 (despite having years of time between them).
Eh, maybe you didn't SEE a big difference, but Rebel Strike improved on Rogue Leader quite a bit. It had a more stable framerate, pushed almost twice as many polygons per second, used a wider array of textures, and even included some effects that Factor 5 didn't think were possible this generation, like the atmospheric light filtering. Not only all that, but Factor 5 vastly improved the water- whereas it was a facade created in literally a week for RL, it had actual motion and physics and volume in RS.
Maybe it would've sold better if they'd worked on improvements you could see as opposed to trying to impress people with numbers.
Push all the polygons you want, I'm just saying you put RS and RL next to each other on two identical TVs with the first level running, I couldn't tell the difference.
Post by: Berny on April 15, 2004, 04:05:23 PM
Post by: Rich on April 15, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz[/iEh, maybe you didn't SEE a big difference, but Rebel Strike improved on Rogue Leader quite a bit. It had a more stable framerate, pushed almost twice as many polygons per second, used a wider array of textures, and even included some effects that Factor 5 didn't think were possible this generation, like the atmospheric light filtering. Not only all that, but Factor 5 vastly improved the water- whereas it was a facade created in literally a week for RL, it had actual motion and physics and volume in RS.
Maybe it would've sold better if they'd worked on improvements you could see as opposed to trying to impress people with numbers.
Push all the polygons you want, I'm just saying you put RS and RL next to each other on two identical TVs with the first level running, I couldn't tell the difference.
HAHAHAHA, oh man thats funny. Now let me ask you something, have you even played Rebel Strike? I'm just gonna assume no because of your comments. The graphics on RS are quite noticeable, especially the atmospheric lighting. Now you go and play the two games on identical TVs and youll see what I'm saying. and you don't notice a difference after that then you my friend are partially blind and should have your eyes checked.
Post by: SearanoX on April 15, 2004, 05:10:04 PM
And the graphics in Rebel Strike are better (although I still think the water is atrocious), but the framerate is much more unstable. The ground missions are awful and the space ones are more unstable than the ones in Rogue Leader. There are noticable improvements, of course. However, does that mean that one should sacrifice framerate for them? I would much rather have a few less lighting effects and polygons (the higher poly counts aren't even that noticable thanks to the TV's resolution) and a stable framerate rather than some relatively small improvements and an unstable framerate.
And graphics, of course, don't save Rebel Strike from being inferior to Rogue Leader in just about every way when it comes to gameplay.
Post by: jasonditz on April 15, 2004, 06:25:29 PM
Honestly, other than more stuff on the screen (and the slowdown that creates) I have a hard time believing there is a significant upgrade (and I just got done playing the first level of each to be fair, I hadn't played RL in over a year).
Maybe if you've got a 50" High-Def TV and some fancy cables there's a whole new world to see. Frankly, sitting here with a 19" Magnavox TV with the standard AV hookup that came with the Cube I'm going to have to take your word for it that the graphics are "improved".
RL blew me away with its graphics (the second game I bought for the Cube, after SMB). When I started playing RS the first thing I thought was "wait a minute, I already have this game, don't I?"
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