Post by: Nile Boogie on April 07, 2004, 08:30:56 PM
Post by: Shift Key on April 07, 2004, 08:40:28 PM
I wish I could see them - I really need something to restore hope in this new "trilogy" because it just didn't cut it.
Meh, I'll just settle for the original three - the only ones I'll acknowledge right now.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 08, 2004, 01:20:30 AM
And with the Clone Wars series, it's only on cable tv, so that means I can't watch em =/
I'll download em.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 03:08:44 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 03:27:32 AM
Otherwise, the new trilogy sucks hardcore- Lucas needs to be brought out to pasture.
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on April 08, 2004, 05:08:36 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 05:17:18 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 08, 2004, 05:21:03 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 07:41:42 AM
The prequels are merely Star Wars in name only. They're nothing but product designed to launch lines of action figures and videogames. Therefore I'm not going to make a blanket statement like "Star Wars sucks" based on those films. It wouldn't be fair to the original trilogy.
I don't have the Cartoon Network so I can't see these Clone Wars cartoons. It doesn't really matter anyway though since my interest in the prequel universe vanished when I saw Episode II. I actually found Episode I to be pretty watchable. It wasn't on par with the original films but it was still pretty fun and I felt Lucas could easily salvage the prequel trilogy with the second and third film. Episode II however just plain SUCKED so unless Lucas has the sci-fi equivalent of Return of the King in the works for Episode III the prequels are a doomed project. When an offshoot cartoon is better than the real thing there's a problem.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
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MC: You forgot powerpuff girls! =o
That wasn't Genndy Tartakovksy, it was Craig McCracken, who was the art director for Dexter's Lab. I think he was also the art director for 2 Stupid Dogs, another Tartakovsky-created show.
Ian: The original trilogy ranks among some of the finest creations of mankind. I do find it ironic, though, that the two films widely considered the best (Empire and Jedi) were neither written nor directed by George Lucas. I view the fact that A New Hope turned out great as a fluke, similar to how The Matrix turned out good while Reloaded and Revolutions were horrible.
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 08, 2004, 11:39:51 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 11:43:32 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 11:54:02 AM
I've realized that too. Odds are the prequels would have rocked if Lucas merely supervised them instead of directing and writing them. He did have a lot of input in Empire and Jedi but the stuff he sucks at like writing dialogue was done by someone else. By focusing on his strengths and letting someone else handle his weaknesses the results were two amazing films. Too bad he can't figure that out now. With Empire and Jedi did he volunteer to step back from directing and writing or was he forced to by execs who figured out he just got lucky?
When George Lucas collaborates with talented writers and directors you get Indiana Jones. In other words he's awesome as long as he's got someone to tell him which of his ideas are good and which of them suck.
Have you noticed that Rick McCallum is involved with the prequels and the special editions but wasn't involved with the original movies? Maybe he's part of the problem.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 11:58:11 AM
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When George Lucas collaborates with talented writers and directors you get Indiana Jones. In other words he's awesome as long as he's got someone to tell him which of his ideas are good and which of them suck.
Exactly! Lucas didn't have sole reign over those two Indiana Jones movies and they're some of the best action/adventure flicks ever made. If, like you said, Lucas would focus on his strengths, like creativity and vision, and let others handle the weaknesses, like writing and direction, some incredible movies could be made.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 12:20:11 PM
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Exactly! Lucas didn't have sole reign over those two Indiana Jones movies and they're the best action/adventure flicks ever made.
Had to fix the typo! ^_^
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 12:42:06 PM
Post by: evil intentions on April 08, 2004, 12:53:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
I love the new trilogy
And with the Clone Wars series, it's only on cable tv, so that means I can't watch em =/
I'll download em.
That's not true. I have satellite and I can watch them. They are pretty cool.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2004, 12:55:05 PM
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What's with the TWO Indy movies stuff? There are three of those movies. Did Lucas not have a hand in one of them?
I believe MC was leaving out Temple of Doom which, though not bad, wasn't quite as great as Raiders and Last Crusade...
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 12:56:29 PM
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What's with the TWO Indy movies stuff? There are three of those movies. Did Lucas not have a hand in one of them?
I don't think Lucas had anything to do with the second one, Temple of Doom- that was all Spielberg. I personally liked it a lot, but not as much as Raiders of the Lost Ark and THe Last Crusade, and a lot of people don't consider it a good movie at all.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2004, 01:19:50 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2004, 02:07:12 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on April 08, 2004, 06:56:30 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 08, 2004, 08:47:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
I love the new trilogy
And with the Clone Wars series, it's only on cable tv, so that means I can't watch em =/
I'll download em.
That's not true. I have satellite and I can watch them. They are pretty cool.
Geez. Specifics, specifics.
Pay TV, is what I meant, which includes cable, satellite and any other way you get pay tv.
I don't have it, so therefore I can't watch Clone Wars unless I download them.
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 09, 2004, 12:11:24 AM
I do agree with you guys that George is great at coming up with characters and story, but he's awful when it comes to dialog and directing. By the way, George even had help with the dialog on the first Star Wars film even though he was solely credited for writing the script. Apparently all the better lines came from George's friends and such.
As far as the Clone Wars cartoon, I'm surprised at how many people like these better than the movies. To me they amplify all the bad stuff in the films. Horribly corny dialog and bad acting. I guess people enjoy them more simply because they're pretty much made up of non-stop action.
Post by: evil intentions on April 09, 2004, 07:02:02 AM
Post by: Draygaia on April 09, 2004, 12:34:52 PM
Post by: Berny on April 10, 2004, 12:56:48 PM
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The only reason The Clone Wars cartoons are any good is because Genndy Tartakovksy is making them, and he's a goddamned genius.
Whoa! How'd I miss this topic. Mouse, you got that one where it hurts. Genndy's a genius. I move to have him deified. All opposed?
Post by: mattcube on April 10, 2004, 02:18:26 PM
I'm not trying to dis the new trilogy. I find them quite entertaining. It's just that judging from what many others think, they could be a lot better. But I've got a question- Who doesn't like the new trilogy? Is it those who like Star Wars, and dont find it as exciting as the old trilogy, or is it the die-hard "look at me, I'm a Wookie!" Star Wars fans that began camping out at the movie theater in China for episode three the day episode 2 came out?
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 10, 2004, 05:10:38 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on April 10, 2004, 08:50:00 PM
Does anyone know if it will be released on DVD?
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 10, 2004, 11:26:40 PM
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It's not bad, but the voice acting is simply horrible.
Thank you!
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 10, 2004, 11:50:04 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 11, 2004, 12:15:12 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 11, 2004, 01:10:35 PM
I don't know why the Jedi R so BadAss on CloneWars, I just love Genndy for doing it the way he does. What happens in Chapter 19 when Anikin fights that Sith girl is one of the best things in StarWars History, period. If there is one chapter to see its 19.
If your in Philly, Season One(chapters 1-10) is already on DvD. All the local stores have a Ver. one sale and the quality seems way to high to be bootleg but most likey it is.
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 11, 2004, 02:02:12 PM
By the way, is anyone here aware that Grievous is the new villain of Episode III? Just wondering what everyone else thought of him. So far I think he'll be a pretty good villain, but he will be in the same vain as Darth Maul and Jango Fett. Just so you know, Grendy wasn't allowed to show off the characters true "cool" factor. One thing I didn't like about the cartoon version is how he wielded the one lightsaber with his foot. That was pretty dumb, and from everything I've heard it's very unlikely he'll do that in Episode III.
Post by: Berny on April 11, 2004, 03:37:25 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 11, 2004, 04:04:53 PM
Post by: Jale on April 11, 2004, 04:28:02 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 11, 2004, 04:38:17 PM
Just for the hell of it here's a list of all of the secondary villains that die in the episode they appear in.
Episode I: Darth Maul
Episode II: Jango Fett
Episode III: General Grievous
Episode IV: Tarkin
Episode V: Boba Fett (Boba is a slight exception because he doesn't die in this episode)
Episode VI: Jabba the Hutt
Post by: evil intentions on April 12, 2004, 07:09:28 AM
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Personally, I think Knights of the Old Republic is one of the finest Star Wars stories produced. Have any of you guys played it? There are memorable characters, great dialog and voice acting, amazing and interesting locals, an intriguing story, and for a video game, cool special effects, plus one heck of a plot. If they could get the people who did the voices to act the parts, I think that would make a finer movie than either the two prequels, and would be at the very least on par with the original trilogy.
I'm not trying to dis the new trilogy. I find them quite entertaining. It's just that judging from what many others think, they could be a lot better. But I've got a question- Who doesn't like the new trilogy? Is it those who like Star Wars, and dont find it as exciting as the old trilogy, or is it the die-hard "look at me, I'm a Wookie!" Star Wars fans that began camping out at the movie theater in China for episode three the day episode 2 came out?
Do you mean for the X-Box? Yes I've played it. It is a really great game. It must have taken a while to create with all of your choices of speaking and their responces, and how you get to control your future and stuff. It never gets boring since you can do everything different every time.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 18, 2004, 04:55:40 PM
General Greivous is one of the main baddies in Episode 3. Along with him are Dooku, Sidous/Palpatine and Anakin. Dooku is killed by one of the Jedi (Anakin or Obi-Wan, I forget) and Palpatine reveals his true intentions for the Republic - he wants it to be an Empire.
