Post by: Mannypon on March 19, 2004, 10:32:12 PM
Post by: Mario on March 19, 2004, 11:02:57 PM
Now there's an unattractive name.
Post by: akdaman1 on March 19, 2004, 11:30:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing.
Now there's an unattractive name.
Whoa your Avatar ...know theres an unactractive face...LOl
Post by: DrZoidberg on March 19, 2004, 11:43:38 PM
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Originally posted by: akdaman1
Whoa your Avatar ...know theres an unactractive face...LOl
now there's an unnatractive post.
oh a 'traditional' FF on the cube? cool i guess, but doesn't really pique my interest, unless it's about Pirates
Post by: KDR_11k on March 20, 2004, 12:58:30 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 20, 2004, 01:20:36 AM
The bar at the bottom is pretty easy to translate, even if you don't know any Japanese, because it's using extremely-well-known words.
It clearly says "Kingdom Hearts 2 PS2 - GCN Final Fantasy A.C- DVD".
The "A.C" obviously means "Advent Children", the new movie-sequel to FF7.
So I think it's saying that KH2 is on both the PS2 and Cube (instead of PS2-exclusive, as was previously reported/assumed), and FF:AC is on DVD (which we already knew).
The bottom line with "GCN" doesn't seem to have anything to do with this "FF: Guilty Wing" that was just mentioned.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 20, 2004, 01:56:19 AM
I know a little Japanese myself too.This doesn't 100% confirm that Kingdom Hearts 2 is coming to GC (until we get an announcement from Sqare-Enix themselves that is), but I'm wondering, isn't it a direct sequel to the first game, and needs to be played to know the story?
Post by: ruby_onix on March 20, 2004, 02:42:15 AM
The ony thing I know about the plot is that some people have said that it stole it's plot idea from the "Revolutionary Girl Utena" anime movie (the movie, not the TV series). So... umm... yeah. If you've seen the movie, that might say a lot. If not... well... I don't think I could describe it. So don't ask...
This link from RPGFan seems helpful.
Post by: joshnickerson on March 20, 2004, 03:01:24 AM
Post by: Pale on March 20, 2004, 03:21:46 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 20, 2004, 03:33:32 AM
Perhaps Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing is Final Fantasy XIII-2?
Post by: Aretak on March 20, 2004, 04:03:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
Perhaps Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing is Final Fantasy XIII-2?
Final Fantasy XIII-2? That's thirteen-two, not eight-two. I assume you meant Final Fantasy VIII-2.
Anyway, Kingdom Hearts 2 would be a good title for the GameCube to have. I remember there were rumours of a port of the original, but the developer said that he didn't want to put Kingdom Hearts on the GameCube just because it featured 'kiddy' characters. He noted that everyone was expecting him to do it for that reason alone, and he didn't want to play up to the stereotype that games that are seen as 'kiddy' always appear on the GameCube.
However, if this rumour turns out to be true, I'll be the first in line to buy it for the Cube. The original is an excellent game.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 20, 2004, 04:08:43 AM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
I haven't played Kingdom Hearts myself, so I don't know how much you may need to have played the first one.
The ony thing I know about the plot is that some people have said that it stole it's plot idea from the "Revolutionary Girl Utena" anime movie (the movie, not the TV series). So... umm... yeah. If you've seen the movie, that might say a lot. If not... well... I don't think I could describe it. So don't ask...
This link from RPGFan seems helpful.
aha! Square don't always come up with original storylines after all!
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
The pic of the big guy in inverted colours seems to be the Squall from Final Fantasy 8.
Perhaps Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing is Final Fantasy VIII-2?
Good lord. I hope not, and it seems unlikely. I tried out the FF8 demo, and hated it.
Post by: yellowfellow on March 20, 2004, 04:42:13 AM
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Post by: Mannypon on March 20, 2004, 07:29:42 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 20, 2004, 10:18:39 AM
I don't think Japan uses "GCN"... they just use "GC".
What I heard anyway.
Post by: Draygaia on March 20, 2004, 01:48:58 PM
Post by: Pale on March 20, 2004, 04:13:05 PM
QuoteThe fighting wasn't very deep and does need some polish. Thats what sequels are for!
Originally posted by: Manny
dam thats a buzz kill, I wasnt a big fan of the first kindom hearts gameplay. The fightin felt a little stiff. I still think squareenix and nintendo should team up again to do another mario rpg. I was a big fan of the original. Still wondering what the ff guilty wing is. My guess, judging by the title, that it could be the action game I heard of with ff characters such as cloud. The title sounds more like an action game title moreso than an anime.
Anyway, I'm so psyched about KH2 and KHCoM that I can't even stand it. Being able to play it with the greatest controller ever would just be icing on the cake.Post by: KDR_11k on March 20, 2004, 05:57:42 PM
That Guilty Wing is either a joke or a special feature, I doubt it's a real game. Even if, it'd fit in with the orange blob on the right (something about PS2, PC and online, probably FF11). If you ask me, that "Guilty Wing" is probably a comic they made using FF11 and print only in their own magazine (therefore "only for"). Or maybe they're making an online cometition or something.
Post by: ruby_onix on March 20, 2004, 07:51:43 PM
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The bottom line with "GCN" doesn't seem to have anything to do with this "FF: Guilty Wing" that was just mentioned.
But then again...
I was bored and tried to translate some of the purple stuff near the bottom.
The first two lines say "fu a i na ru fu a n to shi-" (Final Fantasy)
...and "gi ru te i- u i n gu !" (Guilty Wing!).
I don't know what the four Chineese symbols mean.
The last line is "ge- mu kyu- bu" (GameCube).
Edit: The red part to the right of the logo says "Sugoi!" (Japanese for "Wow!")
Post by: ruby_onix on March 20, 2004, 09:21:22 PM
The top big-letter stuff is "Next Issue" and "Exclusive News".
The Chineese symbols under the logo that I couldn't translate say "Fully Loaded Information".
I still don't know what the stuff on the right says, but it obviously has something to do with the PS2, the Network Adaptor, and a PC version. Most likely some sort of large article about FFXI. Probably not breaking news, or anything we really need to hold our breath until the next issue for.
Edit: I just noticed that I've been spelling "Chinese" wrong. Sorry about that.
Post by: Deguello on March 20, 2004, 11:38:32 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 21, 2004, 02:28:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 21, 2004, 06:34:17 AM
On another note, Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing takes "inspirations" from Final Fantasy 7-9, and Squall Leonheart from FF8 will be the main character. "
GCA
Meh...I can't stand FFVIII... ;___;
Post by: Pale on March 21, 2004, 07:00:30 AM
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Post by: Aretak on March 21, 2004, 09:08:48 AM
Despite the fact I still don't believe this news, a new Final Fantasy game starring Squall would interest me greatly.
Post by: Chongman on March 21, 2004, 10:49:43 AM
If this IS true, and both guilty wing AND kingdom hearts II are BOTH coming to the gamecube...oh square enix....could it be true?
I would parade down the streets proclaiming dreams can become reality.
Post by: Aretak on March 21, 2004, 11:44:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Chongman
ff VII was an above par game...but the battle system was stale and bland rather then original as it was supposed to be.
It's easy to say that now after experiencing the perfection that was Final Fantasy X's battle system, but at the time VIII's was pretty damn good. I liked the fact that it was more complex than VII's, and required a little more thought about what to do for each turn (be it to draw, attack or otherwise).
Post by: Koopa Troopa on March 21, 2004, 11:58:36 AM
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On another note, Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing takes "inspirations" from Final Fantasy 7-9, and Squall Leonheart from FF8 will be the main character. "
GCA
Meh...I can't stand FFVIII... ;___;
NOOOOO! Not Squall, good God, anyone but Squall. This sucks. I swear if they use that stupid magic system from VIII I'll kill someone.
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 21, 2004, 12:46:10 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: ruby_onix on March 21, 2004, 12:54:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
"The game will be titled Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing and is planned as a GameCube exclusive. It is being developed by Game Designer's Studio and is said to follow the more traditional style of Final Fantasy games that most all fans have grown to love.
On another note, Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing takes "inspirations" from Final Fantasy 7-9, and Squall Leonheart from FF8 will be the main character. "
GCA
Meh...I can't stand FFVIII... ;___;
GameCube Advanced has updated, saying it's fake.
"Update: It seems that the story has proven to be false according to Japanese sources. Apparently, the newest issue of V-Jump does not report on any new information regarding a Final Fantasy title for GameCube."
But I think GCA was jumping the gun, saying that V-Jump said it's a "traditional" FF game, and that it'll be starring Squall, and all sorts of other stuff not supported by that page scan. If this teaser page is right, then V-Jump isn't reporting anything about a new FF game right now. They're teasing us, saying that they will say something next month.
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Wait, so is it true that it says "Kingdom Hearts II PS2 * GCN at the bottom? or is that just a confusion???
It says "ki n gu do mu ha-- tsu 2 PS2 - GCN fu a i na ru fu a n to shi-- A.C- DVD" (a long dash is supposed to be held for a second while pronouncing it).
Cleaned up, that's "Kingdom Hearts 2 PS2 - GCN Final Fantasy A.C- DVD"
"Final Fantasy A.C- DVD" seems to mean FF: Advent Children, so it should probably be split like this.
Kingdom Hearts 2 PS2 - GCN
Final Fantasy A.C- DVD
But that's assuming it wasn't a typo, or a Freudian slip, or (as most of the naysayers seem to believe), maybe the entire page isn't real, and was made up by someone with Photoshop (even though nobody has found the slightest evidence to suggest that, beyond simple "doubt").
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 21, 2004, 03:36:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
Well the stories a fake so don't go worrying yourselfs. GCadvanced.com has the info confirming the story as false. FF8 was the worst Final Fantasy game I've played. So I'm glad its a fake. I despised FF7 and FF8 was even worse. I'm sure there really is a traditional Final Fantasy game in development for GC though. There is too much smoke around this story for it to be baseless. After the travesty that was FFX-2 I'm weary of a sequel. If they did make another sequel, I wouldn't mine one to Final Fantasy 4 but that would be contigent on Square not botching it.
Darc Requiem
I'm glad there's someone I can agree with on FF8 and FFX-2!
If GC gets a "traditional" FF game, I would like it to have new characters & story, not Squall.
Post by: Pale on March 21, 2004, 04:45:12 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2004, 06:20:32 AM
So let's see here. FF7 is argueably the most popular RPG or all time and FF9 has a huge cult following. So naturally the main character from FF8 is used. I don't quite see the logic there.
This "teaser" is from VJump. The last time they "teased" something it created the whole stupid MEGAT0N thing. I think I'm going to assume that all of this is bullsh!t and not get my hopes up.
If we get something else from Square Enix I would like it to be something unique and original instead of another Final Fantasy game. There's some really irritating flaws in the FF formula (random battles for example) that reappear in EVERY game because it's "tradition" or some equally stupid excuse and if they make something unique they can do whatever they want and not be limited by the FF license. Do you know what types of games Square makes when they have complete freedom to do what they want? Games like Chrono Trigger and Vagrant Story.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2004, 06:38:33 AM
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Post by: Chongman on March 22, 2004, 07:35:00 AM
So should Ralph Nader and the presidential ballot, but somethings never do change...
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2004, 07:39:28 AM
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I don't understand why everyone hates random battle so much. Personally I couldn't care one way or the other. If anything I almost prefer it, the only big exceptions that come to mind are Chrono Trigger and Earthbound.
I like having the option of avoiding battles...
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2004, 07:44:47 AM
Because they're random and I'm not a big fan of being forced to battle when I want to get to the save point or I desperately need to heal. I don't like having my ability to explore compromised by enemies poping out of nowhere. And most important of all Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG didn't have them and sure enough they're about a hundred times better than any other RPG I've ever played. The main reason I hate random battles is we've had BETTER so it makes no sense to stick with an inferior design. Plus most developers use them to artificially make a game longer and those sort of tactics in ANY game design piss me off.
Post by: rpglover on March 22, 2004, 10:28:32 AM
but has anyone realized that the rpgs without random battles are usually the ones with really great battle systems- for example the grandia series, mario rpg series, chrono trigger, earthbound, and one of my favorite rpgs of all time- valkyrie profile- of course there are some exceptions- some of the tales series games have random battles, but the battle system was very fun
Post by: WesDawg on March 22, 2004, 11:01:53 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2004, 11:37:16 AM
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Originally posted by: rpglover
some of the tales series games have random battles, but the battle system was very fun
And that's what Tales of Symphonia improves on... ^_^
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 22, 2004, 11:39:49 AM
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I think you're just not an RPG fan (Mario RPG, while fun, would not be most people's favorite ever), but some sort of half-breed fan of these weird new hybrid genre's that have come out in the wake.
Simple dislike of random ecounters doesn't make Ian any less of an RPG than you. I hate it when people say you're not a "true" RPG fan unless you like straight turn based titles with completely random encounters. Grandia 2 is, in my opinion, the finest RPG ever made, and not only does it show the enemies on screen but uses a battle system that seamlessly combines elements of real time and turn based combat. I'd rather developers keep trying new things with RPG's than sticking to one style.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2004, 11:40:15 AM
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They're also a huge part of what makes 'em challenging. You can't just run ahead all the time, or your party might not be strong enough. So you spend time training 'em and looking for better weapons and such so that you don't end up almost dead hoping you can reach the next save point. Taking 'em out kinda changes the whole genre in a way. In a way that makes it easier for pansies to play. HA HA HA! Yeah that's right. You're a big pansy whoever it was that doesn't like 'em.
Meh, it's more challenging to take on your enemy with a weaker party...That should be easy to see...
And Pokemon and GS need to random, considering the limitations of the GBA (And even in Pokemon, you can sometimes choose when you want to fight or not by just staying out of caves/tall grass) I'm really hoping the next Golden Sun(console version) won't be "random-battled," but I know the story will make up for it if it's not...
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2004, 11:41:16 AM
Well it should be my CHOICE if my party isn't strong enough. The game shouldn't FORCE me to level up and battle. I should be able to do what I please. And how does removing them change the genre? SEEING the enemies ahead of time isn't going to completely change RPGs forever.
I've noticed the random battle arguement tends to fall into two camps. RPG fans support them because they enjoy a very specific genre and thus like everything the way it is. General videogame fans (like myself) hate random battles because to us they're out-of-date and annoying and we're used to having more choices and control in other videogames. I've always been turned off by dumb limitations in videogames. This includes enemies that kill you because you touched their nose with your toe, invisible walls, forced camera angles, and random battles. Thus to me an RPG cannot reach perfection if it uses random battles.
Post by: Draygaia on March 22, 2004, 01:42:57 PM
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Post by: jmoe316 on March 23, 2004, 03:59:57 AM
Final Fantasy: Guilty Wing on Cube-Europe
Although I guess it could still be false, since like what was said above, this is the magazine who dropped the Never Happening bomb. Let's just hope it's true though! Hopefully some PGC staff can confirm/deny this for us??
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2004, 04:34:58 AM
C-E claimed there was no article, now they claim there was one... What in the name of all seven-and-a-half hells???
Random Encounters suck. Plain as that. They limit your ability to move (since you want to move as little as possible when every step counts), they're f###ing annoying (in SoA:L it took longer to load the battle than to mow 'em down!) and they're rarely challenging. Also, the dungeons look pretty empty without all the monsters displayed.
Post by: Chongman on March 23, 2004, 04:35:10 AM
we don't sound like those guys on this forum, now do we? *shudders* Makes me appreciate the general intelligence of PGC forums...
anywhos, that's kickin information. Whether it's true or not remains to be seen. I think the whole net should be taking this with a grain of salt until it is officially announced by Square-Enix, less we have nintendo fanatics run down the streets proclaiming the second coming (FF that is).
Post by: Draygaia on March 23, 2004, 08:05:06 AM
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 23, 2004, 09:39:14 AM
Post by: Procession on March 23, 2004, 12:49:44 PM
NEW FINAL FANTASY.
Who cares if it has Squall as the main character? God, honestly. NEW FINAL FANTASY.
I can't believe anyone would whine about that, no matter the circumstances.
Post by: Mannypon on March 23, 2004, 01:20:04 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2004, 01:32:35 PM
What if it's Final Fantasy Mystic Quest 2?
Post by: Draygaia on March 23, 2004, 01:50:56 PM
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 23, 2004, 02:51:59 PM
) of the main FF series like FFVIII and FFX, and if they give GC something like that, then I may be tempted to buy my first FF game - and my first RPG.
Post by: jmoe316 on March 23, 2004, 03:42:09 PM
IGN Mailbag
Post by: ruby_onix on March 23, 2004, 03:55:40 PM
I'm not going to take anyone's word on this stuff. Nobody seems to know what the heck is going on.
Post by: Mannypon on March 23, 2004, 04:00:35 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 23, 2004, 04:33:47 PM
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Post by: Berny on March 23, 2004, 05:24:12 PM
I hope it doesn't (ab)use the GBA linky thingy as much as CC did.
Post by: Mannypon on March 23, 2004, 05:29:56 PM
Post by: Chongman on March 23, 2004, 05:47:21 PM
Madness! IT'S ALL MADNESS!!!!!!!
*runs down the street on fire*
Post by: Metroid masked on March 24, 2004, 01:44:07 AM
