Post by: Gamebasher on March 02, 2004, 12:44:32 PM
This one: "Sony confirms PSP to PS2 connectivity rumours".
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Not that I haven´t noticed this kind of "copycat"-trend before (SEGA´s Dreamcast copied the N64 controller more or less, according to NGC Magazine and...I agree with them) but this is proof of the biggest rip-off in videogamehistory!!
I am both outraged, and in a way overjoyed!
I am outraged, because not only does SONY shamelessly copy the original connectivity idea that noone had heard of prior to Nintendo showing it at E3 2003, but they also ensure that only new game-titles will be used in this way, not only ports of existing games...and the very idea of focusing on entirely new, and innovative games for a specific platform is Nintendo´s own.
They have repeatedly stated that the Game industry will die if not re-invigorated by new types of software. The specific problem with the newsarticle, is a line reading that saved games can be moved from the PS2 to the PSP so that play could be continued on that handheld system! Go read it for yourselves! It´s just so obvious, how it´s been directly copied from the GCN-GBA Connectivity concept.
I am overjoyed, because all this and much recent information in the media prove Nintendo to be the absolute King of Videogames with all that they have said and done as concerns videogames! They must be, if everyone is running after them, and doing what they do. And one understands why Miyamoto is so cautious about revealing Mario 128 too soon!
Stealing ideas from others, is extremely poor behaviour and only shows the lack of creativity on the part of the thief! Still, I think if any two will be the final winners (they say that there can only be two in the end) of the so-called videogame war, it will be Nintendo, and big thief Sony (they also stole the F-Zero game concept and "reverse-engineered" it into the WipeOut- series) and in that order! Sony is too big and too well-established, to do away with like that, and Nintendo is too clever and too innovative to be sent to third place. So out goes Microsoft, if any does!!
But I strongly lament the jealous, childish and even vicious behaviour displayed by certain newscommentators who seek to induce us with bias towards Nintendo, and hope we will jump ship! Shame on them!! If any deserve to be bullied, it is the thief!
But this is just the usual human behaviour, I guess, when people are jealous of someone who is better than themselves! Whatever their reason, to me
Nintendo is the King of videogames!
Gamebasher.
Post by: ZeroWil on March 02, 2004, 12:47:35 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 02, 2004, 12:48:07 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on March 02, 2004, 12:51:05 PM
I just have a problem with so many picking on Nintendo, when they´re really deserving a lot more praise!
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 02, 2004, 12:52:57 PM
The only thing that pisses me off is that people will probably think this connectivity is cool while Ninty's isn't...
Post by: GoldShadow1 on March 02, 2004, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 02, 2004, 12:54:32 PM
Post by: ZeroWil on March 02, 2004, 12:55:02 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 02, 2004, 12:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Gamebasher
Stealing ideas from others, is extremely poor behaviour and only shows the lack of creativity on the part of the thief!
Well, if you want to get all fancy, Sega had the whole connectivity thing with it's Dreamcast and VMU (It could hook up with a limited number of Neo-Geo Pocket games for extra junk). That was before Nintendo's half assed attempts with that N64 Transfer Pak. But see, if Nintendo didn't "take" the idea, we might not of ended up with their pretty decent GC/GBA link-ups we have today.
If an idea's good, why not try and make it better? That's what Sony are hoping to do, and I wish them luck.
Post by: Rhoq on March 02, 2004, 01:00:34 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on March 02, 2004, 01:01:41 PM
And, ZeroWil, you may want to check the rules about the size of avatars.
Post by: DrZoidberg on March 02, 2004, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 02, 2004, 01:05:03 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on March 02, 2004, 01:13:04 PM
this thread needs more drama.
Post by: savanna03 on March 02, 2004, 01:27:32 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2004, 01:30:40 PM
Huh? Are you saying the concept of releasing new titles on a platform is a Nintendo trademark? What did you expect Sony to release nothing but ports? Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you wrote.
And I see no reason to be pissed off about this. This isn't stealing. Nintendo introduced a concept and the rest of the industry is adapting it because it's a good idea. It would only be stealing if Sony copied a Nintendo idea before Nintendo debuted it to the public by getting information from insiders.
The idea of having a portable and console connect is solid and I would actually have been surprised if Sony didn't go with it. Nintendo's problem with connectivity is that they grossly overestimate it's usefulness. They think it's a valid replacement for online gaming and huge system-selling feature when in fact it's merely a neat bonus for people who own both systems. Or at least that's all it has been so far.
If Sony is able to find a way to make such a feature a system seller well good for them. It's Nintendo own fault if they can't think of anything better than Pac-Man Vs or four player games with expensive hardware requirements.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on March 02, 2004, 01:39:44 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
I think it's a great idea! Sure, Sony most likely got the idea from Nintendo, but it really is a great idea and it's great to see other companies recognizing its potential- it's better for the industry if new ideas like this are more widespread than if one company closely guards them.
No. No it's not.
This is BS, man. Throughout the GC's lifetime (which Iwata claims is to continue for EIGHT MORE YEARS), everyone accused Ninty of taking Sony's ideas, but I bet money that no one will thrash Sony when Namco decides to port Pac-Man VS to PS2/3/PSP...*sigh*...
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 02, 2004, 01:51:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
If Sony is able to find a way to make such a feature a system seller well good for them. It's Nintendo own fault if they can't think of anything better than Pac-Man Vs or four player games with expensive hardware requirements.
Do you honestly think Sony can do better? When Ninty doesn't do enough with it, they get bashed, and when they do something great with it(FF:CC and Four Swords) they get bashed for it...It's completely uncalled for...
Post by: DrForester on March 02, 2004, 02:21:53 PM
Post by: SearanoX on March 02, 2004, 02:55:02 PM
However, under your logic, everybody who has ever developed something else that someone pioneered is a thief. Wait, so now my car is stolen because it's not the very first one ever made?
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 02, 2004, 03:21:32 PM
a link
Post by: odifiend on March 02, 2004, 03:59:15 PM
P.S. I always felt the transfer pack was the descendant of Nintendo's own Super Gameboy that just capitalized on the controller inputs of the N64. Whatever. I think Nintendo's problem is that pre-FF:CC they used the GBA/GCN connectivity just as they did the transfer packs, put a game in out pops a bonus- no real interaction between the two systems.
Post by: Uglydot on March 02, 2004, 04:08:09 PM
Post by: DrForester on March 02, 2004, 05:19:41 PM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
P.S. I always felt the transfer pack was the descendant of Nintendo's own Super Gameboy that just capitalized on the controller inputs of the N64. Whatever. I think Nintendo's problem is that pre-FF:CC they used the GBA/GCN connectivity just as they did the transfer packs, put a game in out pops a bonus- no real interaction between the two systems.
Nintendo DID have a game boy player for the N64, they (and other companies) used it often at E3. You could often see game boy games being demoed with a N64 controler. Why Nintendo never released it, I will never know. I dont think Nintendo ever showed the player at E3 as a possible new product like they have with other items, like the Nintendo Gamecube Screen, which was shown, but has yet to be released, or even talked about.
Post by: DrZoidberg on March 02, 2004, 07:00:07 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on March 02, 2004, 09:44:30 PM
Even once I'd scrounged enough money to get a GameBoy, I had to scrounge futher for an A/C adapter before I got any real action from it
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2004, 03:32:43 AM
I doubt the connectivity on the PSP will be any better than the one on the GBA, but people will still praise Sony for it like they praise them for their controllers. Heck, you should beat them for errors, not praise!
kirby: That was a mistranslation, Iwata didn't say that.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2004, 03:42:56 AM
.Yeah, do you really blame Sony? They are taking away an advantage from a competitor even if it's a small one. It just a smart business move.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 03, 2004, 06:49:18 AM
I don't know if that would even be possible. Didn't Nintendo program and design the game? Unless they gave it to Namco I'm sure they own part of the rights to it.
"Do you honestly think Sony can do better? When Ninty doesn't do enough with it, they get bashed, and when they do something great with it(FF:CC and Four Swords) they get bashed for it...It's completely uncalled for... "
It's possible. It may just be speculation since I haven't seen it as a quote but supposedly Sony has suggested the idea of making titles that are designed to be played on the PS2 at home and then you load the save to the PSP and play it on the road. That's a really generic idea and one that came up a lot when Nintendo announced their connectivity but Nintendo has never gone with this idea and even though it's not too creative it's an awesome and practical idea. If Sony has a strong lineup of titles like this I'd say they would be doing something better with the connectivity than Nintendo ever has.
And I feel that most of the bashing that the Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles receive is deserved. The idea of using a controller with a screen is pretty cool. However multiplayer games that require $100 controllers is a stupid idea and that seems to be ALL that Nintendo can come up with. So in order to enjoy any of these great connectivity games I need to have four friends over (that's not too hard but it's not like I can just pick-up and play the game whenever I want) and they all have to have GBAs (which is not as easy to pull off). It's fun but it's very niche so if that's all Nintendo can think of connectivity will never catch on. A one player game that requires a GBA is a MUCH better idea and is the only type of game that requires a console-to-portable connection that will ever catch on.
And after playing Crystal Chronicles for several hours now I've come to the conclusion that not only is the connectivity requirement for multiplayer quite useless (the individual data is cool as an extra but not a requirement) and the supposed advantage of not having to pause for menu selection is a big pain in the ass since it leaves me open for attack while I'm trying to use a phoenix down. On bosses selecting anything from the menu is suicide.
Post by: Oldskool on March 03, 2004, 09:13:40 AM
-The Analog stick
-Contoller Rumble
-Revolutionary games (Without nintendo, we may all be playing a pretty, 3D version of Pong right now.)
And instead, they call us "kiddie" and say we have outragous ideas, which Sony and MS soon copy. The fanboys then call Sony and/or MS's "idea" great and unique. Grrrr..........
Post by: DrForester on March 03, 2004, 12:12:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Oldskool
Those damn Sony and MS fanboys better get down on their knees and thank us for giving them:
-The Analog stick
-Contoller Rumble
-Revolutionary games (Without nintendo, we may all be playing a pretty, 3D version of Pong right now.)
And instead, they call us "kiddie" and say we have outragous ideas, which Sony and MS soon copy. The fanboys then call Sony and/or MS's "idea" great and unique. Grrrr..........
Analog Stick = PC first
Rumble = Arcade and PC first
Revolutionary games, while no where near as many as Nintendo, both MS and Sony have had their classics, and very inovative titles. MS has done lots with PC, sony had the Eye Toy, and the very underated game Vib Ribbon.
Post by: RickPowers on March 03, 2004, 01:34:05 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 03, 2004, 01:52:03 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on March 04, 2004, 03:04:41 AM
Yet it avoids online gaming like it's a plague.
.Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2004, 03:37:16 AM
No that anybody would buy the PSP, though, its retail price of USD450 is a bit too high.
Post by: cubedcinder128 on March 04, 2004, 03:53:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"Nintendo is still one of the kings of innovation and risk taking, and I'm sure that won't stop anytime soon. "
Yet it avoids online gaming like it's a plague.
Because it has not yet proven to be a profitable form of gaming. Can't argue with that.
Post by: ghostVi on March 04, 2004, 04:26:16 AM
1. they try it
2. it fails
3. they wait a bit
4. goto 1
And everyone jumps on Nintendo during phase 3, since it's sooo fashionable these days.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 04, 2004, 04:57:18 AM
That's what's risk is all about bud. Instead of nintendo attempting an online game they simply stated "it's not going be profitable enough". It would have been interesting to see them have at least ONE title out especially after stating they would.
Instead they are throwing MILLIONS into a GBA connection gimick
or the new DS. Might as well make a VB2 while there are at it. Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2004, 07:30:56 AM
Either way, noting prevents third parties from going online. Nintendo doesn't want to set up servers themselves. Who can blame them, if they don't see any point in that (except to shut up the vocal minority...) they have the right to stay out of it. Come on, if online was such a big market on the GC, don't you think more third parties would be tapping into it?
But let's stop this debate. We had it often enough and it never went anywhere. Maybe we should have an official "Bitchin'" Thread, where people are free to say what they don't like and all the arguments are neatly archieved for later bitchers who think they have a radically new idea.
Post by: Uglydot on March 04, 2004, 06:15:53 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2004, 07:05:08 PM
Post by: Uglydot on March 05, 2004, 01:03:42 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on March 05, 2004, 03:41:57 AM
And that's why the GC isn't getting the latest MK game. It's going be pushed for online play.
It's going be interesting to see if Ubi-soft keeps the online play for SCPT for the GC version. :0
And SONY doesn't charge a bloody dime for a majority of it's online titles and yet it's still profitable as all hell.
$4.17 a month (xbox's live's) isn't awhole neither when you factor in how long you're extending your gameplay.
The only big gripe about online fees is not all of them have pre-paid cards for them. Generally I try to avoid using my CC since I usually forget to close the account until I'm already billed
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 05, 2004, 07:22:05 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 05, 2004, 07:42:33 PM
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And that's why the GC isn't getting the latest MK game. It's going be pushed for online play.
No, MK isn't coming to the Gamecube because Midway is almost bankrupt and has to cut their losses somewhere. It has nothing to do with online play.
Kingvudu: I've stated my case for why online play isn't reasonable at the moment, and nobody has brought anything new to the table- I'd just be beating a dead horse (which is why I want a cap put on discussion of it). Besides, I have a feeling I've pissed off Bloodworth enough.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 05, 2004, 09:48:28 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on March 05, 2004, 09:54:44 PM
