Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: soracloudtidus on February 27, 2004, 06:54:33 AM
Title: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: soracloudtidus on February 27, 2004, 06:54:33 AM
Well since I haven't seen a discussion about this I thought of putting one myself. Recent bits of info about this game have been leaking out. On February 11 a Baraka render picture was shown over at mortalkombatonline.com. But the big news where on February 26 when a trailer was shown over at gamespot.com and it's available for download at http://www.aros.net/~konqrr/mk6/ on the bottom link. The trailer looks awesome and let's you wanting more. Familiar faces like subzero,baraka,scorpion and milena are shown while others leave you with speculation ( Ermac,Nightwolf,Raiden) Pit fatalities are back, each character has 2 fatalities and the game will be online enable but not for the Gamecube system. Well that's about it and I like to hear from you guys ur 2 cents about this game. Let the speculation begin!
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2004, 07:48:39 AM
I think the reason no one has been discussing this game is because it may not even be released for the Cube. Midway recently officially announced the title and only mentioned the Xbox and PS2 versions. According to IGN Midway is evaluating their Cube support and may not release any new Cube titles at all including Mortal Kombat.
Personally I lost interest in the MK series with MK4 which to me really didn't even play like a Mortal Kombat game. I've never played Deadly Alliance which I hear is not too bad but the MK franchise has kind of lost it's appeal to me. Playing it now the first game doesn't hold up at all and if it didn't have the controversial violence no one would have cared. MKII is an absolute classic however. MK3 rides on MKII's coat tails (but is actually pretty decent I find) and MK4 sucks. I think if they really want to bring the series back to life they should go back to the basics: 2D gameplay with digital sprites of real life actors and none of this weapons stuff.
Personally it doesn't really matter to me if MK: Deception is not released on the Cube. However the principle of the Cube getting the shaft pisses me off.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2004, 11:55:48 AM
While Midway is expected to drop its Gamecube support, Mortal Kombat may be an acception. Midway is in a lot of trouble anyway, though, so I wouldn't blame them if they didn't release MK:D on the Gamecube.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: ThePerm on February 27, 2004, 12:33:02 PM
yes this is why midway is SUFFERING as far as their money goes, ignore the people who put you in your place and you can effectively go out of business
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Rich on February 27, 2004, 12:39:10 PM
Nope, no exception with deception there is no Gamecube MK in the works. If you don't believe me you can check it out Here. Personally I'm kinda pissed. Deadly Alliance wasn't bad at all and it did sell over 200,000 copies on the cube. Thats not it though apparently Cube might not get any support from Midway at all. Which sucks cause MLB Slugfest is one kick ass baseball game.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: joshnickerson on February 27, 2004, 01:15:50 PM
Sigh. Not a MK fan in any way, but this sort of news always bums me out. It just makes it sound that Nintendo is "beneath" them in a way, which really infuriates me. Not to mention that every time a game is not brought to the cube, popular websites bring out the old "The end for Nintendo" crap again and again.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2004, 01:33:10 PM
"this sort of news always bums me out. It just makes it sound that Nintendo is "beneath" them in a way, which really infuriates me."
How ironic since the whole reason Midway games don't sell is because Cube owners regard them as beneath them. It's been said time and time again but the least successful Cube third parties are usually the worst. I swear if Midway hadn't released such crappy ports (Gauntlet: Dark Legacy, Spy Hunter) early in the Cube's life they would have had no problem with sales.
One thing that is really ironic is that two to the companies that have dropped Cube support, Acclaim and Midway, were strong N64 developers and basically stayed in business because of the Nintendo fanbase.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Rich on February 27, 2004, 02:33:34 PM
Yeah I know right. NBA Jam and Cruisin' series and the rush series were all great. Then they release SpyHunter for Gamecube which was painfully boring and Gauntlet which was just as bad. Mortal Kombat wasn't that bad and it didnt sell that poorly either (over 200,000 isn't bad is it), so why drop support. Man these kinda things piss me off. They make crappy ports that wouldn't sell on any system, and then the blame the Gamecube.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Djunknown on February 27, 2004, 04:06:55 PM
Its an endless cycle. Unfortunately, if enough 3rd parties drop Nintendo, regardless of quality, that's it for them in America. It'd be interesting though, if the said companies eventually go bankrupt, leaving Nintendo standing (Thanks to its loyal fanbase).
Ian, the last MK brings the franchise to a level of decency. But compared to say, Soul Calibur II, it feels slow.
As far as the online thing, some see it as the next progession. Sega's the only one sticking their necks out[for the 'Cube]; it sucks that Sony adopts the same policy of just letting the publishers handle it, and sure enough they flock to it.
To paraphrase Darth Vader: "I find this lack of faith....disturbing"
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Deguello on February 27, 2004, 05:39:37 PM
Why is it when these game companies run into financial problems, they first thing they do is blame Nintendo? Why not accept responsibility for your own shortcomings? Late Ports and Crap games aren't gonna fly off shelves because they exist. What's interesting is... What will happen if these companies continue to fail? Who will they blame then?
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2004, 05:44:24 PM
IGN has confirmed that Midway will not release Mortal Kombat: Deception on the Gamecube. Just thought I'd let you all know.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 27, 2004, 06:19:25 PM
The fact that the press release says that MK: D is the goriest and most bloody thus far means that it will be only popular amongst the casuals as such. While the MK name will live with oldies, it's the blood that they will focus on.
Unfortunately.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Armed on February 27, 2004, 07:49:55 PM
I did not like Deadly alliance, and i dont think i will like this one either, as long as i got soul calibur and ssmb i'm fine with this announcement.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Nemo on February 27, 2004, 08:52:36 PM
Yeah, I got Deadly Alliance after getting Soul Callibur II. A waste of $20, since I already had the far supperior SC II. I could play SC II with my best friend FOREVER. I'm quite confident Namco will continue making fighting games (of some sort) for Nintendo systems, considering how well the GameCube version did. That's better than a Midway fighter any day of week IMHO.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 27, 2004, 11:09:46 PM
Why do developers like to blame Nintendo for everything?...
So yeah, the next time I feel like blaming someone, I'll blame Nintendo, even if they had nothing to do with it!
Oh man, I dropped my mug and it broke. Damn you Nintendo!!!!
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 28, 2004, 04:58:22 AM
Well, Midway is in a different boat than many of their 3rd party brethren- from what I understand, Midway is on the verge of bankruptcy and isn't getting good sales on any platform. THey have to cut their losses somewhere, and logically the console with lowest of the three sales for their games is it- the Gamecube may not be that far behind the XBox or PS2, but I doubt Midway can continually supply games for ll three systems.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: soracloudtidus on February 28, 2004, 07:12:58 AM
This saddens me. I remember when the first MK was on the snes and how people bash it because it didn't had the blood factor while the genesis game had a code for you to put the blood out. When MK2 came out on the snes it was clearly the better version of the two. Every MK has been on a nintendo sistem, even if it was good or bad. And now for the first time the latest MK will not be on a nintendo system because of lack of sales? This new MK could be the make or break of the franchise as MKA was a decent game but not the one every MK fan wanted. I will not miss playing MKeception cause I can buy it for my PS2 but still I'm mad that for the first time ever it will not be on a nintendo system.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: ThePerm on February 28, 2004, 07:54:15 AM
the problem with third parties today is that their incompetant....i will say mkda was pretty good in my opionion, but because it didnt have joystick support i didnt buy it..i however did buy soul calibur 2....
back in the n64 days i would say i played mortal kombat 4 more then any other game with my friends....i was a huge mk fan. But this type of burn by midway has upset me greatly.
and above iansane summed up my thought damn well.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Nephilim on February 28, 2004, 05:03:32 PM
I havnt been impressed by a MK game since MK:subzero, which was the last game I enjoyed oneday they will realize adding new 3D gimmicks, lame looking fighters and more weapons doesnt make us wanna rush out and buy it
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: soracloudtidus on February 28, 2004, 07:13:43 PM
For anyone out there that it's interested go here http://www.petitiononline.com/mkdgc1/petition.html . It's a petition to midway to bring mk: deception to the gamecube. Some people are indifferent about this I know, but I realize most of you didn't have the experience of playing this game from the start in a nintendo system ( I could be wrong about this but oh well.)It might or might not work, but at least make your voice be heard. I signed it, shouldnt u fight for your right to fatality ?
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: odifiend on February 28, 2004, 07:29:38 PM
Is Deception planning on having a huge online factor or something? That's the impression I got from reading the petition. I think Midway is giving Nintendo the short end of the stick because Deadly Alliance just sold poorly on GCN (about half Xbox and like a quarter of PS2). Still I think 200,000 units is pretty respectable and probably worth the effort of porting it, if Midway only makes a limited number of Gamecube versions. I have played MK since the beginning and it is sad to see it go (for me anyways) especially when it finally made a significant improvement after years of the same stagnant gameplay over and over.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Actraiser on February 29, 2004, 04:06:12 PM
"I'm quite confident Namco will continue making fighting games (of some sort) for Nintendo systems, considering how well the GameCube version did."
Im not sure where this confidence you speak of comes from. Soul Calibur was one of the biggest titles on Dreamcast and I dont think Namco ever came back to that system.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: KDR_11k on February 29, 2004, 07:15:05 PM
The GC isn't abandoned by its maker, though.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2004, 06:27:40 AM
"Im not sure where this confidence you speak of comes from. Soul Calibur was one of the biggest titles on Dreamcast and I dont think Namco ever came back to that system."
Yeah but how well did the first Soul Calibur actually sell? The Dreamcast from a sales perspective was considered somewhat of a lame duck from the get go. The Gamecube is in a much better situation and is at least guaranteed to survive for the normal five year lifespan. Plus, despite a significantly lower userbase, Soul Calibur II sold best on the Gamecube so I imagine that Namco feels the console is worth supporting. They also seem to be very buddy-buddy with Nintendo right now.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: nemo_83 on March 01, 2004, 08:36:47 AM
I would rather own one Nintendo title than 18 Midway titles.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: vudu on March 01, 2004, 08:43:35 AM
what about midway arcade treasures, which is 24 games on a single disc? does that cound at 24 titles or just one?
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2004, 09:14:41 AM
I would count Midway Arcade Treasures as one title. Plus the best games in that collection are made by Williams and Atari Games and the only reason they appear in a "Midway" collection is because Midway has since bought the rights to those companies. So really if you think about it Midway themselves were never that great beyond a few titles.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: The Omen on March 01, 2004, 11:26:29 AM
Developers like Midway will never be in the top echelon, just for reasons like this. The game sold 200,000, which had to make them money. Thats 10 million$ if my math is correct. PLus factor in the gore loving xbox fanatics, and now were up to 600 thousand. I believe the PS2 version sold around a million. So, they sold 1.6 million copies of a game at 50$ a pop. Thats somewhere around 75-80 million dollars in sales. You mean to tell me that cutting a third of your potential market will make you more money? I just don't see it happeneing. Even if you consider the GC only 20% of the overall sales, cutting out 20% of your sales doesnt make a lot of sense. They can say 'cut their losses', but what they're really doing is cutting potential buyers out of the loop. How much can it cost to even just port a game over? They are the kings of crappy ports, you'd think they'd at least give GC owners the usual. Sorry for my semi-rant, i'm just tired of getting the shaft, even if it is a crap game.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: soracloudtidus on March 01, 2004, 02:48:48 PM
Well let me tell you, your not the only one that is tired of this trend of " X company shafts GC." I'm pretty tired of this too. But you also got to consider this, GC buyers demand quality games not crappy ports that X company does and then blames sales so they don't have to put more games on our system. It's not our fault you make crappy ports or crappy games, we are the ones that put $50 of our pockets for good quality games. Some companys keep it with Nintendo like Capcom. RE4 and Killer 7 look very sweet. Why not keep a franchise like MK on a Nintendo system? And also not everyone has a PS2 or an Xbox to go buy this game, and this is a bad move for midway because your closing an audience that will affect your sales in the long run.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: kusanagi on March 01, 2004, 03:16:53 PM
1) I don't think makes sense to cut development if you can garner profits from the GC. If not then it fiscally makes sense
2) You talk about crappy ports to the NGC. But regardless of a crappy game/port whatever, bottomline it sells better on other systems so if they're crappy ports do better on the XBox/PS2 then hey something's working. It's possible N-Gamers are just more selective in their titles, and if so it just supports Midway's decision to not port their "crappy" game to the more "conscious" N-gamer because they're not going to buy it.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: odifiend on March 01, 2004, 03:29:03 PM
I completely agree with kusanagi. Midway shouldn't even bother to port a lot of their games to GCN because of N-fans are in the know and decide way ahead of time what they are getting and what they aren't. Midway stuff just doesn't make the final cut. Still Mortal Kombat really should be the exception, the title use to be a blockbuster and is probably one of the most recognizable franchises in video games. Especially with its recent improvement, I bet more N-fans would have bought this MK. Midway, seal the deal by getting the rights to Ganondorf for Deception.
Title: RE:Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: soracloudtidus on March 01, 2004, 05:37:06 PM
Over at mortalkombatonline.com says that a gba version of MK: Deception is not planned. But also says that a Midway representative said that the GC version is still being consider. Well some bad news, and kinda of a good news if u ask me. MK not portable? oh well I can live with that but no MK for GC well that I don't. So now midway wants to shaft not only the GC but the GBA too? Whats wrong with this guys?
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2004, 06:42:03 AM
"But regardless of a crappy game/port whatever, bottomline it sells better on other systems so if they're crappy ports do better on the XBox/PS2 then hey something's working."
In a way that's true but the PS2 versions, which always sell the best, are usually not crappy ports. Most multiplatform games are designed as PS2 games first and are then ported to the other consoles. As a result the Xbox and Cube are most likely to get inferior versions. I guess you could say that Xbox fans buy crappy ports but PS2 fans rarely do because they rarely get them. Spy Hunter for example was much MUCH better on the PS2.
Title: RE: Motal Kombat : Deception
Post by: KDR_11k on March 02, 2004, 07:24:29 AM
Errrm, even Sony is complaining about how multiplatform games don't use their machine to the max and look inferior. They said only one(!) game uses the PS2's full potential. Now if that isn't a testament to the difficulty devs are experiencing with this architecture...
A was a decent game but not the one every MK fan wanted. I will not miss playing MK