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Title: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 17, 2004, 10:23:25 PM
I just got done watching the complete DVD set of Cowboy Bebop today and man, it was better than I thought. I loved the show and found myself always watching it on Adult Swim and Reign the Conquer so I ordered both DVD sets (Still haven't received Reign the Conquer in the mail). I have watched all but the last 2 episodes and Im pumped to see them tomorrow when I wake up and have time. For any of your anime freaks out there, I recommend this to all of you. If you don't like it at first, watch a couple more episodes and I promise you will be hooked. Also, while you're at it, check out Fist of the North Star and both versions of Vampire Hunter D (The Orignal and Bloodlines, I think thats what the second was called - too lazy to get up and check my DVD collection).  
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 18, 2004, 12:20:47 PM
I'm not a big fan of anime.  I'll watch it, especially Miyazaki stuff, and sometimes enjoy it, but I'm not really into anime.

Cowboy Bebop, however, is hands down the best show ever made.  It's by far my favorite, and I'm not usually a person that picks favorite (i.e. I have no favorite video game).  I hope to make stuff like that someday. . . amazing.  The style, plot, music, animation, dialogue, characters, everything. . . perfect.

Yeah, very good.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 18, 2004, 12:31:05 PM
It's got the drama of Trigun, except with fewer funny scenes...I still love it, though maybe not as much now that I've seen everything...I don't really like sad endings... ;_____;
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: odifiend on February 18, 2004, 01:57:36 PM
Metaphysical Spirit, you'll love the last two episodes.  Hands down, best anime ending I've ever seen.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 18, 2004, 02:00:04 PM
Trigun is pretty good, though I never finished watching it.  I didn't like it nearly as much as Cowboy Bebop (I didn't mind the show not being serious, but the parts that were serious lacked completely in any sort of style and meaning, to me), but there are many funny parts.  Good show, but it kind of annoys me.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 18, 2004, 02:43:02 PM
Cowboy Bebop is a very, very good anime, no doubt about it.  The characters, plot, emotion, music, animation, action, and everything all combine to create an amazing experience.  My only gripe is that it was too short...26 episodes isn't enough.  The sad ending didn't bug me - it suited the show perfectly.  One of the few times I've ever cried from some form of entertainment...yes, I admit it.  The only thing that bugs me is the <SPOILER> relationship between Spike and Julia, and how it was so short-lived (yes, I know that they know each other from before, but they could have had her a bit more in the other episodes)</SPOILER>.

Trigun is very, very good as well, though the animation isn't so great, mostly because of it's age (about 1993, if I remember correctly).  The show is funny, but it actually gets very serious once you get to around episode 15...and the final seven or so episodes are in some ways even more serious than Cowboy Bebop's.  The plot of the show is very good, and it has some excellent twists and turns.  You have to really watch everything.  Once you get past the first ten or so episodes, things really start to pick up, even though the change is abrupt.  Really, watch the whole thing, you will not regret it.    
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 18, 2004, 02:55:58 PM
Yeah I just got done watching the last two episodes.. and wow. That is up there in my favorites and my classics. Almost too perfect. I don't really like Trigun to much though, I never really watched it. Very good, besides what SearanoX said. It is too short, but the ending did fit it really well. They should have kept it going for a little bit more after ::Spoiler:: Edward leaves the scene and gotten more into Faye. It maybe would have stretched it out more, but I think it would be interesting and kept it going for a bit longer. I also want to know what happens to Jet too. Hrm.. I was very pleased.  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 18, 2004, 03:28:07 PM
Hehe.......my brother has a Media Center PC and has every CB episode saved and ready to burn on DVD's.  Oh yeah...  he should start recording Trigun....I've only seen one episode and it was very good.  As well as Big O...I only saw one episode of that and it was pretty good, but I don't think the series as a whole is the greatest since no one ever talks about it.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 18, 2004, 04:08:21 PM
CB is very cool, even in a mainstream sense.

Of course, if you wanna checkout the "EXTREMES," look at:

GTO (Great Teacher Onizuka, it's "great" for many unmentionable reasons)

Golden Boy (so good/virtuous yet so naughty)

The Ping Pong Club (vulgarity beyond that of South Park)

Hellsing (BLOOD AND VAMPIRES OH YEAH)

Azumanga Daioh (210% cuteness, yields much comedy if you can properly fit its wavelength)
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Jale on February 18, 2004, 06:16:19 PM
Is Cowboy Bebop an american show? I've never heard of it and I live in that backwards little country of England. It's so wierd, i live in a place called a Shire. Hampshire to be exact. I sometimes feel the sudden urge to trek across the earth wearing jewelry :S
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Pale on February 18, 2004, 06:24:46 PM
FLCL, best anime ever.    I loved Trigun, but my heart really lies with Inu Yasha.  Can't wait for the new eps in April.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 18, 2004, 10:17:55 PM
Yeah, CB is an awesome anime.  One of the best I've seen (but nowhere near my favourite anime ).  Like SearanoX; the way it's done, the character designs, music, and the style is very good.  I love the opening music, "Tank!".  And Ed is one of the best anime characters ever!

I plan to buy the boxset soon.

As for Trigun, I didn't find it to be as good as most people did.  It's good, but not great.  Nicholas D. Wolfwood is one cool character though!!!!
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 18, 2004, 10:22:23 PM
I like wacthing
Akira series
Transformers Armada
Cowboy Bebop
Bubble gum crises
Neogenesis and Neogenesis evangelion
Crush gear


i love wacthing cartoons because im still young
oh and heres my collection of DVDs

Akira
Spriggan
Vampire Huter D
Spirted away
Ninjas scroll (new to watch)
Transformers the movie
Ghost in the Shell (new to watch)
The guyver (new to wacth)
blood, the last vampire(new to wacth)

new to watch means i just got them like 2 weeks or later or earlyer and havent wacthed the whole thing

I love Akira its awsome


Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 18, 2004, 11:38:51 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: DarkSyphor
I like wacthing
Akira series
Transformers Armada
Cowboy Bebop
Bubble gum crises
Neogenesis and Neogenesis evangelion
Crush gear

You have to be kidding. I watched the first 3 or 4 episodes of Transformers Armada and went "arggggggghhhhhhhhh, this is bad"
Beast Wars was really good, and Beast Machines was okay.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 19, 2004, 10:41:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Jale
Is Cowboy Bebop an american show? I've never heard of it and I live in that backwards little country of England. It's so wierd, i live in a place called a Shire. Hampshire to be exact. I sometimes feel the sudden urge to trek across the earth wearing jewelry :S

No, Cowboy Bebop is a Japanese anime.  There are nearly no good ones that are made outside of Japan (although there are certainly some great mangas), and there won't be for some time, because all the people here are concerned with is making money off of kids, and of course, kids can't handle things like plot, character development, or anything else like that, and adults are always too busy watching Alias and Law & Order to pay attention to "childish" cartoons.

Oh, and the Japanese version of Cowboy Bebop is far superior to the English one.  
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 19, 2004, 11:46:46 AM
I disagree, in terms of the movie, anyway.  I've seen some English episodes and some Japanese, and watched the movie in both.  They're both excellent, of course, but I think that the English version handles it in a more graceful. . . western manner.  And it's very influenced by western culture as it is, so that, instead of being a problem, is an advantage.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 19, 2004, 11:49:51 AM
Cowboy Bebop is actually one of the few animes that I enjoy the English VAs over the Japanese ones...(Trigun being the other)

<3 Edward...
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 19, 2004, 01:28:39 PM
You prefer the English version of Trigun?  The voice acting is...well, horrible.  I can't see how someone could actually prefer it...
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 19, 2004, 01:51:46 PM
Trigun's VA, horrible!?  No way!  At least not in the main characters where it actually counts...(Plus, I have a soft spot for Meryl's VA,
Dorothy Melendrez, who just happens to sport major roles in 3 of my favorite anime ^_^ *Rurouni Kenshin, Love Hina, Trigun* )  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 19, 2004, 02:22:32 PM
Well, I don't usually watch CB, from watvhing the extras on teh DVD of the movie I know I prefer Edward's american voice over her japanese one.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 19, 2004, 03:04:43 PM
Yeah.. I like the English version of Cowboy Bebop better than Japanese version. I don't know if you guys pay attention, but the sound effects are done really nicely in Cowboy Bebop. EVERYTHING is where it is supposed to be, thats not likely in a lot of cartoons/animes. Again, I don't like Trigun too much.

My DVD Collection
-Akira
-Cowboy Bebop Box Set
-Inu Yasha first 4 DVDs
-Vampire Hunter D (Both Versions)
-Fist of the North Star
-Ninja Scroll series
-Spirited Away
-All ExoSquad episodes(Ruined my taste for Trigun)

Soon to be Reign The Conquer. If you haven't seen this anime, and like Philosphy and European History.. this is a must see. The creator of these animes is a genuis like all the other anime series he has done.  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 19, 2004, 05:01:50 PM
I saw Cowboy Bebop in Japanese a few years before it hit the air on CN, and Faye sounds more youthful and attractive in the original jpn version.  All the other voices sound just right as they were originally intended, without getting into character too much to the point it sounds rather silly and overdone.

I don't recall Reign being anime, and I don't recall its creator (responsible for Aeon Flux and The Maxx) being Japanese.  If it was animated by a Korean studio, it's close, but no cigar.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 19, 2004, 09:40:26 PM
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Originally posted by: SearanoX
Oh, and the Japanese version of Cowboy Bebop is far superior to the English one.

CB is one of the few animes where the English dub is EXCELLENT.  All the main VA do an awesome and their voice matches the their character's personality.  Especially Wendee Lee, as Faye Valentine.  I can't really comment on the Japanese VA, since I've only seen the movie in subs.


Quote

Originally posted by: Bill
<3 Edward...

Stay away from Ed!  I'm the originator of Ed avatars on this forum.  She belongs to me!  

Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 19, 2004, 11:24:34 PM
Faye Valentine in english.

Uncute voice.

Make me vomit.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 19, 2004, 11:34:11 PM
Where do you get the idea Faye Valentine should have a cute voice?  She's a badass bounty hunter who loves to gamble.  No cute voice is needed.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 20, 2004, 07:31:16 AM
You have to be Japanese to create Anime??? It's called American Anime. Sure it doesn't sound right, but it uses the same drawing techniques as an anime would. That's why I consider Reign The Conquer an Anime.  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 20, 2004, 08:59:25 AM
The definition of anime differenciates between people.  Some poeple thinks it's the style of animation, some people thinks it's what origin the creator or production studio (Japanese =P) and others think it has to do with the target audience. (also japanese), and still others just think of it as "animation"  So in some minds there is "american anime" but in others saying "american anime" is an oxymoron.

I think of anime as the syle of animation, so yes, there is Anerican anime.  but not all agree.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 20, 2004, 10:14:03 AM
Anime and American Anime are two different things.  American Animes are nearly always created to leech off of other franchises, with little to no original ideas in them.  In almost all cases, they are made for the sole purpose of making money off of small children - and this is the reason why they are generally so horrible.  Japanese anime, on the other hand, appeals to children as well as adults, and the more mature ones are treated even more seriously than the serious dramas we we see here.  I'm not saying that American Anime is always horrible, but it is almost always horrible.

I know that Cowboy Bebop has very good voice acting (especially for an anime), but even though it is good, much of the original meaning of the words is lost.  Not only do the characters sound different, resulting in different personailities (such as in Faye's case), but many small things are ignored.  With the Japanese (and generally with subtitles), you end up getting the full meaning, with nothing cut out due to making the voices match the characters, etc..  This kind of thing happens in every single anime there is, unless it's written in English in the first place.

Oh, and Trigun has horrible English voice acting...  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 20, 2004, 06:38:16 PM
I see where you are coming from Searanox, and I agree with you completly. Reign The Conquer, Aeon Flux, and The Maxx (Done by the same person) are very creative and definatly not targeted to make money... at least off of children. That's why I said I consider these Animes.  
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Oldskool on February 21, 2004, 03:17:16 AM
Besides the dubbed crap we see on TV all the time, I am an anime newcomer. I've seen the dubbed version of Princess Monenoke, the subtiled and dubbed versions of spirited away, about 5 minutes of X (My first reaction: "WTF! Whats with the all the swords, blood, and explosions? Wheres the plot gone?") and an episode of Cowboy Bebop. I really have to see some more, but Britain ain't the best place to get anime. If I only watched anime years ago when I lived in the US of A...


Edit: Holy crap! WTF happened to my picture! Lemme change it...
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 21, 2004, 04:41:17 AM
Your avatar?  It was most likely too big.  Maximum avatar size here is 64x64 pixels, and yours is 119x86 pixels.  

Being in the UK isn't really an excuse.  You can get anime illegally, after all (come on, you all know you do it), unless of course you're the type with those...those...what're they called...thingamajigers...ah, yes, that's right.  Morals.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 21, 2004, 05:01:18 AM
If the anime is liscened I'll buy it.  But most of the anime I get is off Animesuki which is unliscenced and perfectly legal to download.  Why don't I buy any?  Cause I don't have a DVD player in my room and I wouldn't be able to watch anything.....;__;

But I did see this box set of Full Metal Panic.  What's full metal panic like?  I know I can get Full Metal Panic Fmouffu (or something weird like that) off animesuki for free........but y'know, the original's probably better.  
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: odifiend on February 21, 2004, 05:13:48 AM
The orignial full metal panic is awesome but it ends really badly.  Not Evangelion bad though, so if you have the money to spare you should pick it up (if you're against just downloading it using Bittorrent- it is still out there).  I prefer Fumoffu though, it is hilarious.  Download it now before it's licensed.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2004, 08:17:35 AM
Full Metal Panic is really, really good...And the only reason it ends "badly" is because it's not the end of the series...   (There are 6 volumes in the manga, with the first 3 being the first season of FMP...Fumoffu is based off a small mini-series...One last season will most likely be based on the last 3 volumes)

FMP is more serious oriented, while Fumoffu is comedy-based...Both are worth your time... ^_^
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 21, 2004, 09:33:35 AM
How much fanservice does Fumoffu have?

And why the change to a Kaolla Su avatar?

Don't make me bust-out GTO or Kimura-sensei.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2004, 12:52:18 PM
Well not much as a whole, but the last episode goes pretty far in terms of it...

(I switched to Su because I'm really into Love Hina at the moment...And Su is just so damn cute! (^o^) )
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 21, 2004, 10:54:19 PM
  i wounder which anime from manga do you like to watch
becasue there are two differant types( for people who doesnt know)

Kid manga with:
cowboy bebop
sprited away
dragon ball Z

Then adult manga with:
Akira series
Blood the last vampire
street fighter alpha

obiousy some people here like kid managa and some adult manga
so tell me, i prefer adult manga cause i can only get adult anime from my store

anime is manga right???
 
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 22, 2004, 03:04:48 AM
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anime is manga right???


hhahahahha.....NO.  YOU ARE WRONG.

Manga = the "comics"
Anime= the show

Alot of anime is based off of manga, but they are not one and the same.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 22, 2004, 04:07:30 AM
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Originally posted by: DarkSyphor

cowboy bebop  <--- OMG WTF U TALKN BOUT MNA!!!??
sprited away
dragon ball Z


As you can see by the convenient quote, I'm just wondering how in God's holy name you can classify Cowboy Bebop as a "kid's anime".  There are sexual themes, blood, frequent swearing, an advanced and tragic plot, as well as many more adult themes, and yet you classify it as a childrens' show?  Sorry, but where I come from, one plus one does not equal three.

As for your question about anime and manga, manga, as KnowsNothing pointed out, are the comic/still forms of Japanese animation, whereas anime is the animated form.  If you draw Japanese cartoons, 99% of the time, it will be manga.
 
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: odifiend on February 22, 2004, 04:30:39 AM
Yeah, DS you definitely mixed up Cowboy Bebop and Street Fighter.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 22, 2004, 05:37:32 PM
I don't consider Spirited Away to be for kids as well.  Sure, it's about a 10 year old girl, but it's an anime for all ages.

I've watched it with my parents and they really enjoyed it.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 22, 2004, 08:04:55 PM

.....................
KnowsNothing check your info

There are two differant types of manga a comic and company

KnowsNothing check these website
www.manga.com
www.mit.edu/people/rei/Expl

and if anyone has cartoon network you would realise that cowboy bebop is shown and one more thing i dont get things mixed up any more


Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 22, 2004, 08:37:03 PM
You should've said something like "Manga Video," distributors of such hits as Ghost in the Shell, Ninja Scroll, and Street Fighter II V, and Macross Plus, to be clear.
Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 23, 2004, 12:05:20 AM
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anime is manga right???


I said no, it is not.  I think that what I said is still true, thank you.  I did not visit those sites, because Professional666 already answered and is probably correct, you were not being clear enough.  What I said was in simplest form, and it's pretty much safe to assume that manga = comcis and anime = show.

 
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: SearanoX on February 23, 2004, 09:42:26 AM
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Originally posted by: DarkSyphor
and if anyone has cartoon network you would realise that cowboy bebop is shown and one more thing i dont get things mixed up any more

The Cartoon Network does show some animes that are more adult-oriented, albeit with some censoring, changes in the translation, and on their "Adult Swim" segment, which airs later on at night (Cowboy Bebop is on at around 11 PM if I remember correctly).  Just because the Cartoon Network shows it does not mean it's a childrens' show.

Title: RE: Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: odifiend on February 23, 2004, 11:32:25 AM
Bebop was moved to 1:30 AM and 4:30 AM on weekdays.  Not times for the kiddies.  I have Cartoon Network thanx, and watch adult swim almost everyday- not all of it though.
Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 23, 2004, 08:38:29 PM
We finaly got that cleared up

Has anyone seen a Akira 2 movie

Title: RE:Cowboy Bebop & Anime
Post by: DrForester on February 29, 2004, 06:27:58 PM
there is no akira 2, but if you enjoyed Akira, pick up "Memories", it has finaly been released on DVD in the USA.  It's a film with 3 short (And completly unrelated films).  all were written by Katsuhiro Omoto, the first two were directed by Koji Morimoto, who did one of the Animatrix shorts, and Tensai Okamura, who worked on Wofl's rain and the 3rd part was directed by Katsuhiro Omoto himself.

The 3 films vary, the first is a drama about a group of space travelers who encounter a derelict spaceship after getting a distress signal from an old opera singer.  The 2nd is more light hearted, about a salary man who takes an unknown drug that turns him into a walking biological weapon and he doesnt know it.  The 3rd is about a family in a town who's daily life revolves arround firing cannons at an unknown enemy.