Post by: Gamebasher on February 13, 2004, 06:19:32 AM
The article details how certain industry commentators speculate, or misinterpretate facts about Nintendo´s plans for the future and to the peril of Nintendo itself. A type of negative, inductive opinion which ends up being construed as actual situation which is then released to the newsmedia as "news fact". Recently this type of negative game news reporting lowered the value of NCL company stocks, with Nintendo PR staff quick to deny the allegations of it alltogether. They talked their stock down! Before I continue, I will include the link to that news article:
www.gamesindustry.biz (click under newsarticle "Opinion: Speculation over Nintendo's future reveals ugly truths about gaming media")
Read the article, and learn more about these so-called industry commentators who if not countered by carefull measures from the side of Nintendo´s PR department, may wind up doing more bad than good to mighty Ninty. Good and sound marketing afterall is the lifeblood of any company seeking to stay afloat in todays hectic videogame industry.
One invariably comes to think that to these industry commentators, the next consolewar will be fought between Sony and Microsoft alone! To them it is "better" if Nintendo goes the way of SEGA and become a software oriented developer alone. This all comes on top of months of negative talk about Nintendo´s poor E3 showing, EDGE magazine staff at E3 lamenting same and openly saying that the company was in dire waters etc. etc. and now what that "Nintendo official" secretly said about the company´s chances at competing with the two other consolemakers.
But Nintendo have already stated that the N5 will be shown to the public, at E3 2005. So why are they so busy talking about Nintendo "doing a SEGA"?
In what way did SONY destroy SEGA´s most excellent Dreamcast console? By talking the thing out of existence, right! Much like some smart analyst in the stockmarket can talk other company stock down! In SEGA ´s case people believed, because of SEGA´s inability to compete with the PS2 hype and combat piracy. But it took over a year for the PS2 game library to catch up with the DC games library, and it´s 1. gen graphics were poor in comparison with the DC 1. gen graphics. So should these apparently same type of people be allowed to sit and talk Nintendo down too? Nintendo is the oldest, best, and most experienced of the three consolemakers. So if there is only room for two, it is certainly Microsoft that´s going out if any will!! Be certain that Nintendo can and will secure that!!!
Gamebasher.
Post by: vudu on February 13, 2004, 06:33:56 AM
Opinion: Speculation over Nintendo's future reveals ugly truths about gaming media
nothing really new in the article, but it sums up everything quite nicely--quotes were taken out of context and the media jumped on the chance to "confirm" that nintendo is dropping out of the hardware business. for shame. ::shakes finger at the media::
Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2004, 07:01:11 AM
The NES is perhaps the best console of all time. It had everything: a huge variety of third party games and some amazing first party games. Aside from Sega and Namco games if you owned an NES you didn't miss out on anything. For the most part this continued with the SNES. However now Nintendo is no longer on top so those third party and first party games are on different consoles. Let's face it if you want to play the latest game from a series that started on the NES you have to own a PS2 and a Gamecube. That's expensive and a pain. The ideal situation is to have all of those games on the same console.
There are only two ways that will happen. Either Nintendo has to become number 1 again and thus get back all of the third party support or they have drop out of the console wars and go third party. Right now the second option seems more likely. So thus the gaming media (and a lot of gamers in general) deep down wants Nintendo to go third party so they can have all the games they used to play back on one console.
Of course all of these people fail to realize that without "real" game companies like Sega and Nintendo having a major effect on the console wars the industry will become really stagnant.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 13, 2004, 07:04:48 AM
I disagree with this statement 100%.
As far as many people are concerned SEGA and NIN are the ones who have gone stagnent. I am not sure if NIN games would sell any better as third party titles, they just dont appeal to the majority of gamers anymore.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2004, 07:41:41 AM
As opposed to who? Sony and MS aren't exactly innovating the industry. The Microsoft's big Xbox game is an FPS. WOWEE!
Besides it doesn't matter what "the majority" thinks. My whole arguement is that the people that want Nintendo to go third party don't realize their importance.
I will agree that by the super high standards everyone holds them to Nintendo has gotten somewhat stagnant. But they still bust out some crazy new stuff, just not as often as before. They're still more innovative than the other console makers.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 13, 2004, 09:16:12 AM
Post by: Inkwell on February 13, 2004, 10:25:44 AM
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Hah! And what innovation has either Sony or Microsoft done?
What has Nintendo done exactly that so innovative this generation? If anything Sony and Microsoft seem to be trying to bring something to console gaming, most of Nintendo's effort have gone towards thier handheld.
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" I am not sure if NIN games would sell any better as third party titles, they just dont appeal to the majority of gamers anymore.
I kinda agree with this, NIN are not seen as the "it" thing anymore. That probably the reason why most the gaming media seem to put as little ethusiam (sp?) behind them. NIN is like VHS, it still there but does it really compare to DVD (Sony or MS)...
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 13, 2004, 10:49:57 AM
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NIN is like VHS, it still there but does it really compare to DVD (Sony or MS)...
Another bonehead quote from you, Inkwell. The media is attacking Nintendo so much because Nintendo was once the industry leader, and now they're not, despite have an incredibly loyal fanbase. And as we all know, controversy sells news.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on February 13, 2004, 11:10:20 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 13, 2004, 11:14:08 AM
IMO NIN isnt flashy enough for the mainstream, and the result isnt a bias as much as it is an ignoring.
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 13, 2004, 11:28:48 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2004, 11:29:59 AM
That's a pretty good choice of words. "Ignoring" Nintendo is exactly what the mainstream media does and what a lot of rental stores and game stores do.
With the gaming media though I think it's more of a bias. I mean you can't write about games for a living and ignore a major player like Nintendo. You have to choose to ignore them.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 13, 2004, 11:32:26 AM
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With the gaming media though I think it's more of a bias. I mean you can't write about games for a living and ignore a major player like Nintendo. You have to choose to ignore them.
I swear, Ian, you always have a quote that sums up my sentiments exactly.
Post by: AMac2002 on February 13, 2004, 02:54:21 PM
Wow, that was a completely moronic thing to say. Instead of writing it off solely because of it's genre, try not being so narrow-minded. I'm sure all of those GOTY awards it recieved were unjustified...
"With Microsoft it's computers, and well, how to screw people even more. Nintendo is a GAME BASED system only."
Childish comment, but you're point about Nintendo being a game based system is certainly validated. It is ONLY a game based system, and for some people, that seems perfectly fine. However, I think the industry is just moving in the direction of adding more and more cool, new, dare I say... innovative features. There's nothing wrong with being a console that's there just for playing games, I mean, it's a gaming console. But why should the other consoles be penalized for having MORE new things, especially in an argument about innovation.
Post by: odifiend on February 13, 2004, 03:12:20 PM
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However, I think the industry is just moving in the direction of adding more and more cool, new, dare I say... innovative features.
AMac2002, what innovative features? Adding a DVD capability and a hard drive? Those features were on PC first making them not very innovative on PS2 and Xbox. I'm not saying unuseful, just unoriginal.
Post by: Chongman on February 13, 2004, 06:48:57 PM
Ok...
1. The dvd drive was implemented not for innovation but to milk the dvd craze cash cow at the time
2. How in the world does the pressence of a dvd drive help games
3. New media is not part of the "industry." Xbox's addition of a hardrive is something that helped the "industry," dvd players are not.
The only innovation of these "new" additions is the hardrive, which will quickly become obsolete when flash memory comes out. But hardrive isn't that "innovative" as it is since its been debated and talked over for years. Its not that more is bad, just that with these add-ons, its depreciated the gaming market, making it a more generic entertainment device rather then a unique way to get away from the real world. Look at the psp. Innovative? Hardly. At least in terms of the gaming market. Movie and mp3 playback will only hinder the gaming process because the console will focus on so many different things, its not longer a "console" but a generic entertainment medium.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 13, 2004, 06:51:47 PM
Post by: Thx1138 on February 13, 2004, 07:03:54 PM
Still, the real reason the media dislikes Nintendo is because they are "For Sale to the higest bidder." Nintendo refuses to pay people off, so this only worsens the situation. It also doesn't help that much of the press is a bunch of "30 something" aging fan-boys who in my opinion, are waaay out of touch with younger gamers and the general public alike.
As for Nintendo, the competition has done nothing but steal their best ideas. The competition is hardly innovative.
Ps2 is just a dressed up PSX. They jammed a DVD player in it just so that "10 years olds" could watch the "Lion King." It was also an attempt to win over casual gamers, who truthfully, know very little about gaming.
Dual Analog? All Sony did was look at Nintendo's N64 controller and copy the analog stick idea times 2. I actually find the Dual Analog controller quite uncomfortable, due to it's off-center C-sticks.
X-Box includes a hard drive in it's stripped down PC, and now suddenly they are considering dropping it for their next gen console? Seems like an admission of defeat to me.
(I also find it wildly amusing that they have contracted ATI to make their chips. Gee, didn't ATI make the GameCube CPU?)
Online gaming? Sega did it first and did it better in my opinion. I was playing Unreal Tournament on my DC, with my BBA almost 4 years ago. And guess what game just arrived on X-Box? Unreal Tournament! Way to innovate...
After the smoke clears, Nintendo will be one of the FEW companies who survives in tact.
Also, if you are as disgusted with the press as I am, TELL THEM!
These are just my opinions, strong as they may be. Feel free to disagree.
Thanks for Reading
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 13, 2004, 07:13:11 PM
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I'm sure all of those GOTY awards it recieved were unjustified...
Actually, yeah they were- name one thing Halo did that no other FPS has. You can't, can you? That's because Halo didn't do anything new, it just did the same old things better. Don't get me wrong, that's nothing to scoff at, but certainly nothing to praise, either.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on February 13, 2004, 07:29:39 PM
I give innovation
, but commercially it's not the all saving grace some would think it to be.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2004, 07:37:23 PM
MC responded to the above comment with:
"Actually, yeah they were- name one thing Halo did that no other FPS has? You can't, can you? That's because Halo didn't do anything new, it just did the same old things better. Don't get me wrong, that's nothing to scoff at, but certainly nothing to praise, either."
That's the point I was making with my "moronic" statement. I wasn't bashing the game or the genre. I was stating that Microsoft's big title is not very innovative. Most Microsoft published Xbox games have very safe proven-formula designs.
Post by: Gamebasher on February 14, 2004, 02:31:51 AM
After the smoke clears, Nintendo will be "one of the FEW companies who survives intact". That´s also what Nintendo say itself. All these consolewars will only be won by the type of consolemaker who is 100% focused on GAMES alone.
We got a variety of tv´s, dvd players and hifi-systems stationary and portable to choose between already, from the big manufacturers. So these extra features are not the ones to decide who wins a consolewar. Games and advertisement for games is! Hell, if a game is just uber-cool, it will advertise itself!
With the right price and the gameplay that beat the competition´s ubiquitous never changing game genres, Nintendo will continue to attract more and more new gamers who love the freshness of the new types of games Ninty gives them.
Sony and Microsoft can then blow their budgets on all kinds of glamourous extra features, ridiculously expensive online play servers and hope to attract gamers in that way.
I am sure that even Sony Fanboy and friends will see the Nintendo difference in the end!
Post by: Inkwell on February 14, 2004, 05:08:40 AM
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Thx1138 is right.
After the smoke clears, Nintendo will be "one of the FEW companies who survives intact". That´s also what Nintendo say itself. All these consolewars will only be won by the type of consolemaker who is 100% focused on GAMES alone.
I doubt this; if this was a world of just Nintendo fans then this would be feasible but since we live in reality...you get the picture. Since this market is now more so than ever ruled by third parties, whoever provides the best enviroment for third parties will win. The console maker who is 100% focused on its games won't win anything (except for awards) in todays market otherwise Nintendo would have came out swinging and spouting out catchy one-liners.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 14, 2004, 08:31:32 AM
Post by: Syl on February 14, 2004, 09:46:18 AM
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top 10 best selling consule games of 2003:
1. Madden NFL 2004 PS2 Electronic Arts / Aug'03 $49
2. Pokemon Ruby GBA Nintendo of America / Mar'03 $31
3. Pokemon Sapphire GBA Nintendo of America / Mar'03 $31
4. Need for Speed Underground PS2 Electronic Arts / Nov'03 $49
5. Zelda: The Wind Waker GCN Nintendo of America / Mar'03 $47
6. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 Rockstar Games / Oct'02 $41
7. Mario Kart: Double GCN Nintendo of America / Nov'03 $49
8. Tony Hawk Underground PS2 Activision / Oct'03 $47
9. Enter The Matrix PS2 Atari / May'03 $46
10. Medal Honor Rising PS2 Electronic Arts / Nov'03 $49
nintendo games don't apply to mainstream gamers? they don't sell well? they are behind the times?
then how the hell are they the best selling games fo 2003?
pokemon ruby/sapphire are the same game, and they EACH sold more than EVERY OTHER GAME ON THE MARKET (cept for madden 2004)
then windwaker sold MORE than GTA:VC last year, im sure that speaks for itself....(though GTA:VC did come out in december the year before, i think.)
hell, nintendo isn't doing bad, tehy've been making an absurd amount of money, mainly of the gameboy units and game sales. I'm sure having a market saturation of 50,000,000 GBA's has to help quite a bit in the long run, the gamecube isn't doing nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. with the 99$ cube, its selling very well, and nintendo just needs to get itself with more people playing its games, then in the next generation it should be doing very well as long as it keeps itself with good ads and the amazing quality games it always had/still has.
the anylists seem to ignore certain things, tehy do what they are told to do. they don't realize how well everything is in the grand scheme of things, at this point, im about 95% that gamecube is going to end the current console wars in 2nd place.,
which, is good enough for me.
Post by: The Omen on February 14, 2004, 02:19:36 PM
I'd say that sums up Nintendo. A lot of fans are fly by night fans. Whoevers on top at the time is the ass they kiss. In order to regain the throne...well, it just doesn't happen. And the media is the same way. Negative=news. Positive=snooze.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 14, 2004, 02:39:22 PM
Post by: AMac2002 on February 14, 2004, 04:30:52 PM
OK, I mistook your statement, sorry for jumping all over you.
"AMac2002, what innovative features? Adding a DVD capability and a hard drive? Those features were on PC first making them not very innovative on PS2 and Xbox. I'm not saying unuseful, just unoriginal."
Well, I didn't mean only the present. 'Moving in the direction' implies the future as well.
"Actually, yeah they were- name one thing Halo did that no other FPS has. You can't, can you? That's because Halo didn't do anything new, it just did the same old things better. Don't get me wrong, that's nothing to scoff at, but certainly nothing to praise, either."
I'm sorry, but that kind of comment is really ignorant. Adding some new way of jumping, or a wacky new feature doesn't make something GOTY material. You could say those same things about the bazillion RPG's that come out every year, geez pretty much every game. OMG you can go on a boat in WW! WOW! Innovation. You can see through different visor's and have trouble aiming in MP! NO WAY! You can play ANOTHER Mario game with a big water gun strapped to your back! Ah, too much innovation!
(btw that was sarcasm)
I think those three games were all incredibly good, but hardly innovative. Pikmin was innovative, but I don't think it's too great. I'd rather play SSBM, which doesn't innovate too much either.
Halo is a great game, and if you want to act all short-sighted about it, be my guest. I myself have never had so much fun playing 16 player lan on Halo, than any other video game. The amazing AI and actually good control's for a console FPS in my opinion are innovation enough.
And btw, I actually don't know what games had vehicles like halo before halo came out. I'm sure there are, but I just don't know of them. If you, or really anyone does that'd be cool to say, because I thought the vehicle integration was absolutely phenomenally done.
Thanks for your time...
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 14, 2004, 04:59:29 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 14, 2004, 05:13:14 PM
What really brings down your argument, though, is you bash Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, and Super Mario Sunshine. Who mentioned any of those games at all? Stop being a hypocrite and just accept that Halo was a run of the mill FPS that deserves no more praise than any other title exactly like it. Your pathetic justifications, like "amazing AI", good controls, and vehicular combat (which Bungie took from its own Myth series) are no better than your sarcastic rationalizations of the Gamecube games you attempt use against me.
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 14, 2004, 09:10:37 PM
Post by: The Omen on February 15, 2004, 04:31:54 AM
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Even so, Omen, Nintendo still has an incredible amount of very loyal fans. It's a testament to Nintendo's level of quality and devotion that their diehard fans alone could not only carry them through hard times but turn them an enormous profit as well.
i agree. I was talking more about those fans that are only fans because they think its cool, or their friends all own it, so they buy it, or they read misinformed journalists viewpoints and use those misinformed quotes as their reason for buying xbox or a PS2. Then they turn around and rip what they once loved. Basically, the casual fan. Nintendo has a very loyal fan base, i know. Kind of like MAC users. They'll never be swayed from Nintendos side.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 15, 2004, 05:35:19 AM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 15, 2004, 08:49:34 AM
Post by: AMac2002 on February 15, 2004, 10:12:28 AM
I'm brought up those games because Wind Waker and Metroid Prime were very high candidates for GOTY when they came out (2003 and 2002) yet I don't feel the did anything very new. Wind Waker's graphic style wasn't new, even if though it was the first BIG game to utilize it. Why must a whole new revolution of video game technology equate to being the best game of the year, or why should being a great evolutionary game not be praised.
You said: what has Halo offered to the genre that hasn't been done a million times already? Putting all those things that have been 'done a million times' before together in one game, that IS something no game has done before.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 15, 2004, 10:44:07 AM
Post by: Chongman on February 15, 2004, 10:51:15 AM
but wind waker used cell shading in ways to convey things no other game has. The emotional value of wind waker is breathe taking and the fact that its as if you're watching a cartoon full of their own custom animations and facial emotions, the way wind waker's characters seem to bring you in was in many ways very innovative, though not as revolutionary as you might wish. Its not the "revolution of video game technology" that makes it the best, but the way the game draws you in. MP was like they got super metroid, ripped out its heart and soul, and stuck it in a new awe inspiring body. I thought the way they used the whole scanning thing very original, i cant remember a game that has ever done something like that. And if you can, was it as well done as it was in MP?? When you beat halo, you think, "damn, that was fun and I looked badass while doing it" But when you beat OOT you think, "dear god, why does this have to end...why? can't...can't it just go on forever?" The reason I used OOT instead of WW is cuz its a much better exampled, but the very same thing can be said about MP and WW and many other nintendo games. Animal Crossing anyone? I know a few people who treated that game like a god.
How is Halo a "great evolutionary game"?????????? I do agree that the rest of the people here may be cutting it a little short, Halo did many many things well. Many things. But after whipping it out and playing it again, I realize that the graphics aren't that sharp, the weapons could have been better, the coopertive play uninspired (timesplitters 2 was awesome), and the fact that you cant fight with bots is ridiculous. Halo is good w/multiplayer but I've always found CS much more hardcore and much more fun, unless you can whip a 16 player Halo fest, which is hard to do. Halo isn't very original, its just an fps and I think TS2 does a lot of things better. personally I'd rather play SB melee any day, now thats a lot of fun.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 15, 2004, 10:55:35 AM
Post by: WesDawg on February 15, 2004, 02:48:18 PM
I like this quote Omen.
Innovation seems to be overrated any more. People like to throw around the word to make things sound better, but tried and true formulas still seem to be the games that sell the best. It's cause people like them.
Despite that though, BigN seems to have tried both this generation. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, etc. were definately not greatly innovative in my mind. They had interesting new features, but they weren't innovative. Animal Crossing, Pikmin, WarioWare, Four Swords, even stepping out into Ninty-fnded GCN exclusives, Eternal Darkness, FF:CC, Metroid Prime and Viewtiful Joe were all pretty innovative I think though. I don't think you could justify the argument that Ninty hasn't been innovative at all.
Post by: The Omen on February 15, 2004, 02:52:52 PM
Post by: The Omen on February 15, 2004, 03:00:06 PM
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Despite that though, BigN seems to have tried both this generation. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, etc. were definately not greatly innovative in my mind. They had interesting new features, but they weren't innovative. Animal Crossing, Pikmin, WarioWare, Four Swords, even stepping out into Ninty-fnded GCN exclusives, Eternal Darkness, FF:CC, Metroid Prime and Viewtiful Joe were all pretty innovative I think though. I don't think you could justify the argument that Ninty hasn't been innovative at all.
Well, i think we all can agree the first couple of games in each of the series you mentioned were very innovative at the time. My question then becomes, how do you innovate on innovation? Is it an absolute necessity to innovate on every title released in the series? I don't think so. If you are the innovator, then you can just improve the formula to your liking. Nobody has improved the genres that those series rule. Those games are still the pinnacle. Now how do you innovate when theyre the best there is?
Post by: Armed on February 15, 2004, 03:37:32 PM
All you have to do is use the force, duh. Hehehehe
No but really, how do you know that, that is the best it could be? Ideas are always popping up in peoples mind, they just need to learn how to make it into a reality. It is hard for us to think that there is something better than what that genre has to offer now, because we don't have the imaginations of other people that see something different.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 15, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: AMac2002 on February 15, 2004, 05:20:06 PM
Actually when I was talking about Halo being worthy of GOTY, it had nothing to do with innovation, I thought he was writing it off completely, and I said his accusations were unjustified.
See:
" Instead of writing it off solely because of it's genre, try not being so narrow-minded. I'm sure all of those GOTY awards it recieved were unjustified..."
"When you beat halo, you think, "damn, that was fun and I looked badass while doing it" But when you beat OOT you think, "dear god, why does this have to end...why? can't...can't it just go on forever?""
Actually no. That's what YOU think. Don't try and speak for every gamer out there. When I beat Halo, I couldn't wait for Halo 2, I didn't even know what LAN was at that time, so I wasn't thinking of multiplayer.
Oh well, these Halo arguments are turning futile, I can see I'd be wasting my time if I continued it for too long. You have your feelings, and I have mine, might as well agree to disagree.
Post by: _>nonjagged<_ on February 15, 2004, 05:42:35 PM
All the large 3rd party game publishes other than say EA are trying to drive Nin out of the market.
Game websites will ignore the existance of Nin in the marketplace while Nin still achieves records. Nin has been the biggest grossing Jap publisher 2 years running.
Nin recently won those awards in USA for 2003 including 4 out of the 7 top selling game software being developed and published by Nintendo.
All this is not good enough for the media or mainstream. They demand Online gaming. Nin is looking into free LAN gaming, which is still not good enough for the nit-picking fanbases.
Did anyone ever question that taking franchises MultiPlayer-Online-Only is not good for the industry like that which Rare are planned on doing to force Gamers to HAVE to buy LIVE subscriptions?
Did anyone in the media every question that Rare of today is incapable of producing AI it once could in its prime back in the days and that so many developers are focusing less on evolving AI and focusing on how many $$$ they can suck dry out of M$ to take their franchise on LIVE just so their development house doesnt go bankrupt if their franchises they invested so much in this generation bomb-out in sales?
Atari anyone?
[eg Nintendo's attempt with Animal Crossing was mild innovation in the eyes of the media but Nintendo can show that taking games Online is easy, its creating whole new franchises or genres with above average AI that they wish to focus on which doesnt happen overnight]
Online gaming is great but Nintendo isnt jumping on the bandwagon just yet because their platforms have ALWAYS been primarily based around:
-realtime gameplay
-proprietory data mediums not affiliated with eg. Consortiums such as DVD or whatever the other Movie format will be in the future, Overly Expensive Telecommunications Subscriptions or Computer Hardware.
If you dont like Nintendo's principles, just accept the alternative choices available but demanding Nintendo is stubborn or not willing to adapt to multi-media is stupidity.
If also you cant read between the lines, Nintendo is hinting $ony And M$ will be fighting tooth and nail each other on the bragging-rights to who's got the most powerful console (just how this-gen M$ stupidly focused on hyping their platform to be more powerful when it launched years after $ony's lol), while Nintendo is going to focus on DS connectivity GBA ++ connectivity and many more peripherals like the Pokemon Wand or Konga Drums etc
Nintendo has for years had innovative niche peripherals but not launched them because they havent had appropriate franchises for the peripherals.
Nintendo will still have a powerful next-gen platform with IBM & ATI [lol M$ quietly copied Nintendo] its just Nintendo will focus on gaming related peripherrals while the other 2 will fighting eachother as to who can push more polygons or how fast their Drive can burn DV etc lol. Little stupid sledging things.
For the record Nintendo [Shiggy] has loved the EyeToy before it even launched on sale and Its possible future projects like Mario 128 will possibly have peripheral compatibilities [Im speculating NDS].
Once again if you want Online gaming, look elsewhere because as long as those that control the Internet or those that control the Telecommunications, are entrenched there, Nintendo doesnt want to get involved. Although Wireless LAN has been hinted recently.
When Nintendo can offer their platform to be played on an intranet or something without subscriptions, they will gladly offer it, but until then its either hold in there or your free to jump on the bandwagon on another platform if your needs are suited there.
As for more information on Innovation, such as the DS? This is what I had to say last week or whenever on another forum board which Ive cut and pasted.
Yes the best thing thats happened to the Xbx since Seamus Blackley stepped down is Ed Fries doing the stepping down shuffle.
Do too many silly trolls who suffer from that condition called "tall-poppy syndrome" have outbrusts of unfounded stupidity. They've attacked Nintendo's DS platform without even knowing anything more than a vague description that the platform comprises of 2 screens & ROM memory data.
I bet in 2005 PC developers will be more commonly jumping on the bandwagon and developing niche games that need 2 monitor screens to be played at fullest potential, with the added option of supporting co-op using 2 screens. Then eventually these nose-in-the-air fanboys with a pessimistic attitude will be saying multi-screen isnt a bad idea afterall. The only difference to them is that its just that if Nintendo develops something first its a "gimmick" and should not be [supported/acknowledged] [commended/appreciated] even though the followers/copycats just tag along behind Nintendo from a distance of a few years.
LOL now M$ has jumped in bed with ATI *AND* IBM. Surely with the billion$ of dollars M$ are willing to lose in order to drive $ony out of the industry, that M$ could have afforded to lose a few more billion$ and settle its standover differences with nVidia & Intel?Way too many lazyass dumbasses on the net are somewhat already critical of the DS platform because their limited mental capacity cannot comprehend that the very limited information currently available for the DS shouldnt give excuse for the particular guilty primitive website staff from sites [such as Ernie from gaming-age], to offer their anguished-dribble without something with substance to backup their dribble.
Surely these jelous websites [such as gaming-age] are still not that bitter that M$ couldnt take on Nintendo or M$ is too scorned to launch a handheld and make profit aswell or M$ would be contradicting themselves if they launched a handheld in a hilerious effort to take on the competition? Surely now these scorned fanboys got over that M$ couldnt take on Nintendo already? Because pre-ejaculative-negative website staff [like Ernie from gaming-age] dont have the mental capacity to think of what creative uses a dual screen could have, therefore it is their neanderthal instinctive duty to already rubber-stamp claim the dual screen concept as nothing more than a "gimmick". Oh thats right lets look at other current "gimmicks" in the gaming industry; having a HDD for a set-top-box pretending to be a game console was touted to be ahead of its time yadda yadda yawn and yet gamers today are still twiddling their thumbs as to how Blinx and Music Mixer has revolutionised console gaming. LOL the HDD in the Xcox has served the purpose of storing Nintendo & MAME ROMs, nothing more than an "ancient gimmick" at best, which PCs where doing long time ago.
Yet Konami, Capcom, Namco & Sega (thank goodness B grade publishes such Atari & Acclaim etc wont be supporting the DS) are just some of the bigggest guns in the console industry that are already thinking/evaluating what new "genres" they can conceive with 2 screens while website reporters [such as Ernie from gaming-age] can adore all the B-grade 3rd Parties on their Ngage platform or Xcox platform with their apparently non-gimmicky franchises or PC franchises holding the Xcox platform afloat. Yeah right.
PS: A "gimmick" like Eyetoy has outsold MusicMixer for the Xcox like something like 20:1 therefore its official that Music Mixer is the worst performing "gimmick" to come out this generation and then some.
Iwata foggy mentions of the DS being "heterogeneous" and producing movement that gamers have never experienced before. [In my opinion that is the most intriguing and revealing clue to the puzzling truth behind the platform].
According to GMR [a source which appears to be 100 times more sophisticated or nuetral than some emotionally retarded websites such as gaming-age], Nintendo has been in discussions with Sharp to possibly use a certain technology in a then future portable system. The big secret is that the Nintendo DS may actually have a "true" 3D display.
For more info on Sharp's technology refer to this link:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3 973,1335241,00.asp
Sure, the example used by Nintendo of a player seeing different areas or camera angles at once doesn’t sound like 3D. Perhaps Nintendo has been saying such things to offset the rampant speculation and surprise the world come E3 2004.
True, what if Nintendo is holding their cards to their chest and only releasing the not-so incredibly groundbreaking news, until its time to unleash the full unveiling at E3 2004?
[In my opinion there is no friggin way Nintendo would launch a new platform if they claim they will have shipped 60MIL GBA units by the time the PSP launches and if the DS platform is nothing more than a PSP with Dual Screens, then it would be pointless, however the DS is not pretending to be a PSP with an extra screen. In my opinion the DS project is something non-conventional, something thats doesnt just play games or MPEGs/AVIs on a 2D screen [*cough* PSP *cough*] but something much much more, which $sony has not even conceived of yet let alone hacked].
Getting back to Nintendo holding out on us until they unleash the monumental moment in video game history since color LCD and fully describe the features of 2 screens:
What if the player could have 2 modes of play available. One "true 3D" and one "standard 3D" with the latter having options of having both screens as one large picture or 2 seperate pictures with seperate perspectives not just seperate camera points, [something of which $ony or M$ would definately be incapable of conceiving because Miyamoto-san is a widespread acknowledged Gaming God whos wisdom goes beyond any globalisation conglomorate or corporate trying to make $$$ in the gaming industry instead of trying to create a refreshing alternative platform to [1] consoles and [2] PCs]. [The Xcox has failed the expectations of all the overhyping because the platform is too much like a dumbed down PC and also because there are already 2 consoles out there on the market. The Xbox doesnt have a real niche that markets dont alrady have. If M$ dont want to embarress themselves again next-gen they are going to have to throw every conceivable technological entertainment gimmick one can think of that can fit in those large XshoeBoxs, possibly even a recordable drive for added measure so as to try to be able to keep up with $ony's marketshare].
Continuing with my own creative speculative input on the DS project. It would be totally cool if in future models superceeding the DS, if the 2 screens where set in a manually rotatable disc where the 2 screens could be positioned in a horizontal split for "standard 3D" modes of play or the 2 screens could be manually rotated 90 degrees to be positioned in a verticle split for "true 3D" display.
Nintendo has always been focused on innovating gameplay rather than focused on corporate deals such as push for pay-to-play Online-Only multiplayer subscriptions, with games that lack any new creativity whatsoever.
One could imagine the DS could have 2 thumbsticks that can be used for playing games such as Sega's Virtual On, Mech-type genre games or [according to speculation the platform is capable of other functions but in my opinion Nintendo is not really interested in developing another press-play-to-view-FMV-MPEG-AVI-station-portable that $ony is doing but rather a platform that can take on something like video/radio gaming/entertainment challenges in every conceivable way imagineable] piloting wireless electronics such as toy robots or hobby radio-controlled crafts thanks to the wireless Motorolla components?
IBM, NEC, ATI, Sharp, Motorolla, The ROM manufacturer Nintendo invested 10MIL into are just some of the geniuses that may be involved in this industry shakeup changing project.
Square-Enix will definately have FFVII tweaked/enhanced for launch of the PSP and the platform will dive off the shelves at launch in Japan however one can also speculate Square-Enix will develop new RPG concepts for the DS which naturally all the jelous nay-sayers [such as Ernie from gaming-age] will not appreciate or adopt because their brain is too primitive to comprehend that some of the industry developer legends have been around for so long that they need newer platforms with newer gameplay opportunities available to them to give them motivation to strive for bigger goals that can enrich/ignite their creative passion.
There is absolutely no way the DS will bomb when Animal Crossing will be taken to levels unconceiveable eg. viewing the realtime Tropical Island activities on the 2nd screen is a mild breakthrough but "true 3D" Animal Crossing would look like a living GAF Viewmaster reel and would absolutely blow away everyone. [Nintendo to bring GAF Viewmaster to life? and Sharp corporation may be Nintendo's ticket]. [Animal Crossing 2 should allow for gamer to train a pet to perform duties or something where progress could be monitored at all times on the second screen
Imagine when Resident Evil character swaping is implemeted on the DS which has 2 screens.
Imagine playing Worms 3D or Diggers Remake with the screens showing above ground and below ground activity at the same time.
Imagine playing a long-distance rally Racing game where the 2nd screen shows full detailed/intricate map of track and turn points. OK, Tantalus, get onto that one because begrudging developers like Codemasters, Atari, Activision etc are pretending to be supporting Nintendo.
Would gameplay be enhanced or even make sense if an option was available for the 2nd screen to be from the AI driver in 1st position viewpoint? So player could view if the AI is setting up the player for a stack by planting bomb presents in Mario Karts: Double Duel DS?
Hold on what if each screen is focused on each of the 2 swapping-characters?
Anyway Metroid Zero on GBA [which is getting strong reviews and then some] is paving the finances for Metroid first person perspective on the DS which will undoubtably be awesome to play on the go as would a Starfox space-shooter game on the go. When the DS and PSP launch 2004/05 the N-gage would be a reminiscent relic already that just was poorly planned by a conglomorate trying to make $$$ out of monthly subscriptions. Will M$ be jelous and launch a handheld at end of the year also just so $ony dont make huge sales?
Imagine if the 1st screen of the DS platform was in first person mode and the 2nd screen was in 3rd person mode? Imagine if the RTS genre was developed on the DS platform eg. Starcraft: Ghost where the 1st screen was in first person mode while the second screen was in isometric viewpoint and focused on all the RTS battles from a distance?
Just because there are many retarded websites plastered all over the internet and there are many retarded gaming magazines publications that are under the guise that they are multi-platform supporters, which are jelous of Nintendo's continual success or continual striving for innovative realtime gameplay [DS platform uses cart ROM not disc ROM, hence Nintendo successfully avoids having to spend time on creating imaginative load-screen bars LOL like all the other platforms HAVE TO], does not mean that the DS platform is a "gimmick". These retarded websites dont even deserve to be labelled "clueless".
At least there are a few intelligent conversationists left in the gaming industry such as:
http://www.n-philes.com/view.php?view=pages/co ntact#Ethan Pearson
or even me [shock horror] who can provide at least some questions that open up interesting issues instead of just being a retarded brick wall not willing to open their mind on account of being jelous that corporates still cant bring down Nintendo's continual industry leading realtime creativity. I bet that because the DS platform will be focused on realtime gaming [instead of press play to view AVI, Nokia & Sony are onto] that it will incorporate the wireless multiplayer Motorolla adapter built-in [you can purchase this adapter for the GBA for wireless multiplayer] just so Nintendo offers multiplayer gaming at free of charge.
I vote the official name for the DS platform should be called Nintendo Gamedual™ or Twinblade™ or Dualduel™ but definately not Lynxbrick or Xshoebox. Or even better Nintendo TV™ [True View] but also supports picking up public TV broadcasts should mainstreamers believe TV stands for television.
Come to think of it, there could be an expansion port on the DS to connect a CAM where the 2nd screen could be used for surveillance while the 1st screen offered a video game, which got me thinking if Nintendo did use pet robot toys or radio controlled serveillance products to operate with the DS then one of the screens could naturally relay the footage back to the DS while the other screen could offer video game strategy elements or something related to the activity? Multitasking-Multiperspective-Multigaming-Multip layer gaming anyone? Yup Nintendo is and always was lightyears ahead when it comes to realtime interactivity.
The lifespan of Nintendo= gaming > video gaming > video gaming & gaming merged together.
Also it raises the issue what will the term be called for playing a Video game and playing a Radio controlled game in conjunction at the same time? Is Dual-gaming a sufficient term?
Come to think of it does anyone know if the DS platform is even an actual handheld or the 2 screens end up being eye glasses? I believe Iwata is stating the DS is not an advancement of the GBA platform and even if those sceptics that claim Iwata is stating this as to not prematurely kill-off the GBA platform during its peak, you would have to wonder that why would Iwata worry about the GBA market which has superceeded beyond anyone's expectations and is quoted to be expected to have shipped 60MIL units by end of 2004 when the PSP hits the market?
Dear gaming-age, the mind is like a parachute ie. it works best when it is opened.
Dear gaming-age, its is definately worth doing some research and finding out all the information before you express your biased opinions because right now you have absolutely nothing to back you up while Nintendo having talks with Sharp can indicate that GMR or Ethan Pearson, have actually bothered to do some rearch before they express any emotional distraught or downright jelous feelings on any issue, like you have shown. Even if the Sharp technology somehow doesnt make its way to the first generation of the DS platform at least viewing multiple perspective gameplay on different screens will take gaming a level never comprehended before, even by the elitist PC/Xcox community who themselves can be nothing more than a "gimmick" when their beliefs are at risk or their forms of gaming are outdated.
And remember your not obligated to play multi-perspective games if your brain cant handle it. In my opinion the DS will be compatible with the next-gen Triforce AC machines which will possibly be utilising twin screens by Sharp, providing "true 3D" which is the future of Video gaming, ie. the next step in the evolution of screens.
And then the other leeches we know as $ony & M$ which tag along will use Sega etc to copy Nintendo's refreshing thoughts.
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You have just been shot down into 120MIL untextured gibblets which will make a great fertiliser for my lemon tree in Animal Crossing DS.
____[aka nonjagged]
Post by: The Omen on February 16, 2004, 01:44:12 AM
Anyway, i agree with your points, but lets not get into the M$ and XCOx stuff. It kind of discredits your views.
The point i mainly agree with is the DS. I dont know if its going to blow me away or not. But thats just it-i don't know. I remember back in the day when the Gameboy was first released, i was expecting garbage games , maybe Atari caliber, and not even close to the NES. What i received instead were some incredible games, fun games. They proved me wrong then, and they may well blow me away again. People should just wait and see, which is hard for the media dopes because they need to form an opinion and get it out there, sometimes thinking theyre more important then they are. Ignore what you hear. At E_3, we may see some incredible things for the DS. This could be the best E3 NIN has ever had. Just wait for a few more months, then decide.
Post by: Chongman on February 16, 2004, 06:58:27 AM
yeah, sorry, I really should have thought of that beforehand. sorry, i'm not trying to speak for every gamer out there, but I personally cannot concieve how you halo could be that epic or remotely that memorable. Halo is fun, simply put. I think we're talking about different things.
and nice book nonjagged. i mean, i agree with a lot of your stuff, but like the omen said, everyone needs to wait and not get their panties in a bunch
Post by: uwvark on February 16, 2004, 10:29:34 AM
Post by: Kyosho on February 17, 2004, 10:51:50 AM
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I bet in 2005 PC developers will be more commonly jumping on the bandwagon and developing niche games that need 2 monitor screens to be played at fullest potential, with the added option of supporting co-op using 2 screens. Then eventually these nose-in-the-air fanboys with a pessimistic attitude will be saying multi-screen isnt a bad idea afterall. The only difference to them is that its just that if Nintendo develops something first its a "gimmick" and should not be [supported/acknowledged]
I think you're overrating the dual screens. Dual screens may be useful at certain times and enhance game play at certain time, but I don't see it as a near necessity for playing a game to fullest potential.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 17, 2004, 12:27:20 PM
Post by: Syl on February 17, 2004, 12:38:43 PM
anyway, this isn't gaming-age, so i don't know why you spent so much of your post bashing him, along with saying things such as xcox and whatever other insulting names just detracted from that gigantic post of yours and made you seem biased.
you also seem to be vastly over-rating how not needed 2 screens are.. after playing FFCC for 40 hours over the weekend, i can definately see the advantage for certain multiplayer games, or things where the menu is navigated with a seperate screen as to not interupt the gameplay, however, for the vast majority of games, (bout 95%) i see no point in Duel Screens,
but, besides that.. you do have some good points, considering im pretty sure that it has already been confirmed that one of the screens of the dS is a touch screen, im honestly expecting the whole menu/button layout to be on the lower screen, and all the gameplay on the upper screen for the majority of games.. for things like RPG's and RTS, this would be perfect.... and it would also solve the issue of the gameboy not having enough buttons forever.
though it would be difficult to adjust too.
I'm not ready to do so much speculation on the DS yet, considering that not a single thing about games has been mentioned for it, so thats still something im holding out till E3 for.
I'm also trying to figure out why innovation is a keypoint in this thread, its been basicly proved that it has very little to do with sales, the best selling game of the year is almost always a Madden game, and innovation has nothing to do with that...along with the huge amount of remakes that are coming out around this time.
Post by: Draygaia on February 17, 2004, 12:52:48 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 17, 2004, 05:31:46 PM
Post by: _>nonjagged<_ on February 17, 2004, 06:22:10 PM
However being that FFVII has been the most requested remake title on Sony gamers wish lists of all time and being that the PSP uses a different format than PSX consoles, one would have to be pretty slow not to fill the gaps that the PSP will launch with either FFVII remake game or FFVII: Advent Children the Movie on PSP format.
Youd have to be ludicrous not to see that coming.
Note the PSP will be used by Sony for gamers to DL:
FF:wallpaper
FF audio soundtracks
and FF: Advent Children trailers etc
through their monthly subscription charge.
The PSP will be what the Ngage tried to be.
The NDS will stay clear from being attached to Telecommunication monthly subscriptions with Music & Movies but rather focus on different forms of realtime gaming. However the media see this as a crime.
Also Ive never denied Im a fanboy or never denied Im biased in favor of platforms which I share the same philosophies with or understand the decisions they make.
Also Im not looking for any credibility whatsoever in anything I write, so if any of my text may contradict me for double standards its because Im playing the sledging-mind-games of the media and/or mainstream generalising masses, only that Im rooting for the party that is being persecuted/segregated and as far as Im currently aware, gamers do still have the rights to speech.
Also Good points, Thx1138. Well said.
Post by: Deguello on February 17, 2004, 11:55:43 PM
Brief history lesson. Nikola Tesla was the brillaint electrical genius that discovered the rotating magnetic field and Alternating current, among other things like the fluorescent bulb and microwave ovens. I think the first was something about Turbines, but AC is a fantastic breakthrough that allows your house to be powered on individual parallel circuits instead of one big series circuit. I.E. Circuit breakers and stuff. Of Course, this made Direct Current proponent Thomas Edison very furious. So he launched a propaganda war against Nikola Tesla and AC. He ridiculed the man, called his inventions deadly, even electrocuting small animals with AC to show that "fact." He was humiliated, and his character was assassinated. Usually, when you see a villainous mad scientist in a movie (Edison invented those, go figure) he was based in Nikola Tesla. Thing is, Edison passed off AC as the work of his underlings and actively tried to delete Tesla from history and steal his ideas. Funny little anecdote: The U.S. wanted Edison to find a way to detect subs during World War I. Tesla suggested "energy waves", and Edison said that idea was ludicrous, so the world would have to wait some 20 odd years to get radar, based on the same principles.
Long Story short. Tesla was ridiculed, humiliated, scorned, and had his ideas stolen (check out his invention of the radio). I see the same thing happening to Nintendo.
Everybody and their brother's website is flinging mud in Nintendo's direction based on this whole online vs. connectivity thing. It is not considered innovation and Nintendo is a company of fools because they do not actively waste money seeking the trend du jour, vis a vis, online plans (God I hate those buzz words.) But lo and behold, on Sony's PSP feature list, what do I see but connectivity to the PS3. I wonder if it will be cool now that Sony wants to do it. Eyetoy? Gameboy Camera, years before. HardDrive? Actually, heh Sega beat MS to that. The Saturn had battery backed memory for save games, and you could D/L new content via the Dreamcasts modem. Conveniently forgotten. Hopefully, Nintendo's connectivity won't suffer a similar fate. Eventually, this online stuff will be seen for what it is. Really expensive, fancy multiplayer/downloading. Big deal.
Of Course, that's just my 2 cents.
Post by: Syl on February 18, 2004, 11:40:52 AM
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However being that FFVII has been the most requested remake title on Sony gamers wish lists of all time and being that the PSP uses a different format than PSX consoles, one would have to be pretty slow not to fill the gaps that the PSP will launch with either FFVII remake game or FFVII: Advent Children the Movie on PSP format.
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Also Im not looking for any credibility whatsoever in anything I write, so if any of my text may contradict me for double standards its because Im playing the sledging-mind-games of the media and/or mainstream generalising masses, only that Im rooting for the party that is being persecuted/segregated and as far as Im currently aware, gamers do still have the rights to speech.
heh, show me a basis on the FFVII remake, and i'lll believe you, but something as big as that is NOT going to remain quiet till so close to PSP launch, i know some people who are determined that metroid prime 2 is coming out this summer, which is obviously not possible at all, unless some massive media is put up within a month or so.
Square launching a PSP remake of FFVII at launch would go *completely* against squares marketing strategy, they hype games YEARS before theyre released, they would be hyping an FFVII remake now along with some very vigorous PSP hyping. Square is more worried about FFXII than an FFVII remake at the moment, mainly because they *STATED* that there is no FFVII remake being done at the moment, and that they will not do one *as long as a system that can play FFVII is on the market* and look, PS2 is still on the market, and the PSP is not replacing PS2.
your just pulling wishes out of nowhere and yelling at others for not wishing they were true, i hate nothing more than when people try to tell off fantasy as truth, its where rumors start, and rumors can very often be false... thats what the main point of this entire thread is about.
that said.
www.penny-arcade.com had a great post on the whole innovation fanboy thing, read the frontpage if you don't read the site already.
Post by: _>nonjagged<_ on February 20, 2004, 06:08:25 PM
OK because E3 2004 has not come yet, your right and Im wrong. Square will not have FFVII remake launching with PSP and/or FF: Advent Children movie. You can discredit me at E3 2004. Keep your panties on.
I loved the brief history post. That was an excellent read. We could bring up how theres a particular race of people that through continual misrepresentation over centuries rewrite the hiostory books and through the use of Motion Pictures distort history in their favor. But this is not the appropriate forum.
Post by: _>nonjagged<_ on February 20, 2004, 06:14:22 PM
Breaking News:
..."USA analysts dissapointingly say its certainly a tough time for the PC game industry now that its been segregated/divided and that the scattered-market is being dumbed-down for M$ console platforms. PC developers have got a tough time ahead in the coming years and it is speculated by well known USA analysts that many PC developers will unoffically be going bankrupt if they refuse to make the decision to migrate to the PS3 but continue to opt for the smaller M$ platform marketshare which also has whimsically banished the PC market to play second fiddle?
One prominant USA analyst by the name of Spruce Overhypeberg said that he forsees Sony's marketshare to only grow larger and M$'s marketshare to shrink considerably. Spruce Overhypeberg speculates that M$'s 64bit O/S with touted XML features that will be launched 2004 for PC and eventually the Next Xbox platform will be no console match for Sony's backwards compatability whilst having EyeToy hardware and SonicFoundry Suite
DV software built-in to PS3 from the word go. Lets not even mention PSP connectivity.
Spruce Overhypeberg claims M$ stand to lose greater credibility even more during the next-gen as they wont be able to use the excuse Sony got a head start when their next-gen consoles launch head-to-head and the PS3 sells even better than the PS2 while the next Xbox units appear to move only through promotional giveaways.
Another prominant USA analysts who goes by the name of Asscheekspread Forgreenback also speculates the next Xbox will be less console controller driven and more keyboard orientated so as to desperately try and win those PC uses that were suppose to migrate to Xbox but never did, because it sure as hell dont look like Sony's increasing marketshare is ever migrating to Xbox platforms.
Across the globe Japanese analysts are suggesting that if M$ fail to make any grounds on Sony in the next-gen that M$ will eventually quietly bow-down by shifting their focus of trying to challenge Sony where M$ may move into making their entertainment units moreso into educational units by making deals to flood hardware units into schools & universities because Sony owns the loungeroom.
Prominant Osaka based analysts even go as far as saying if M$ dont launch a Windohz PDA pretending to be a gaming handheld (ala Xcox PC-in-a-box pretending to be console) to challenge the PSP launch, then its inevitable M$ will always be living in the shadow of $ony forever"...
You have just read the fake news of the day brought to you by ____ [aka nonjagged].
PS: whoever codenamed Xbox Next is pretty much 2 years and then some, too late. I was in the ign N64 chatroom (there was no igncube chatroom back then) where we were all gathering before the official announcement of the Nintendo Gamecube name and I was speculating it should be called Nintendo Next, which kinda received a luke-warm reception but for one of the members who thought it was a cool name.
Whats up with codenaming the Next Xbox so unimaginatively?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 20, 2004, 07:55:45 PM
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Originally posted by: _>nonjagged<_
Whats up with codenaming the Next Xbox so unimaginatively?
They registered some domain on that name or something. The real codename is Xenon, I believe (probably named after the evil AIs bent on the destruction of mankind in games like X or Galax).
Post by: Mannypon on February 21, 2004, 03:18:15 AM
Post by: Oldskool on February 21, 2004, 03:53:57 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 21, 2004, 06:26:14 AM
The question about the game sindustry is whether it's already flying in the sky or still burrowing itself out of the ground. In other words, what is the stable position of the game s industry has yet to be determined.
