Post by: Metroid masked on February 11, 2004, 09:46:59 PM
which sytem has more online games xbox or cube??
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 11, 2004, 10:06:27 PM
also, anyone who asks which console has more online games, cube or xbox, shouldn't be posting on an intarweb forum, seriously >_>
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 12, 2004, 02:14:15 PM
So you're better off sticking with GC.
Nintendo made a pretty cool deal for online gamers, and it's pretty sweet. Only 50 dollars (Australian, so around 70 bucks in the US) for a subscription, and it's good for 2 years with the current deal.
Just buy the broadband modem, jack into the main nintendo online hub and away you go!
At least this is what i would probably be saying if Nintendo HAD an online plan for the GC.
Post by: Shift Key on February 12, 2004, 02:55:49 PM
Then PUNCHLINE'D!!!
If your a Mario Kart nut, you could play online through Warp Pipe. It supports other games as well, but also needs a broadband adapter to get running.
Post by: Metroid masked on February 12, 2004, 06:00:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 13, 2004, 02:09:39 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 13, 2004, 08:06:30 PM
lol....
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 13, 2004, 08:58:05 PM
Post by: Deguello on February 13, 2004, 11:37:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Death to online games...
Hear hear.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 14, 2004, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 14, 2004, 04:45:43 PM
But wait........how would that work? Like, what if someone was visiting your town and you shut your GC off? What would......erm..............happen? I don't know much about this interweb stuffs so please enlighten me on how they would be able to get it to work.
Bah. In the news today, Metroid Masked fails at the internet!
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 14, 2004, 05:31:17 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 15, 2004, 01:24:10 AM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
I'm not much of a fan of online gaming myself, but I have to say, Pokemon would make the PERFECT MMORPG. It's almost as if it were meant to be one all along.
Nintendo should have made this a LONG time ago.
But then it wouldn't have had the proper tools to do so: Online capabilities, Massive Lands to roam, Heaps of wild pokemon.
If they do, don't make it that you HAVE to have a GBA game to play.
Make it so that if you do have pokemon, that you can transfer them into the 3D Pokemon and battle with them with real people online.
I like having real-time battles when it comes to having Pokemon 3D. Imagine seeing the head of a Bayleaf sticking out of the grass! Imagine seeing a whole flock of Pidgey in a tree! What if you tried to capture one of them? They would all come down and try to peck you!
You shouldn't have a life meter; this should be purely anime
If you get burned, you simply become char-grilled human, like Ash everytime Charizard does a flamethrower.Then imagine taking the time off to have a swim, and seeing dozens of Lapras playing near you!
The possibilities for this game are endless, and so I doubt Nintendo would incorporate EVERYTHING into it.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 15, 2004, 07:05:35 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on February 15, 2004, 02:05:21 PM
MS gives you a discount if you buy the annual rate.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 15, 2004, 02:48:39 PM
Post by: aLI!En on February 16, 2004, 02:29:31 PM
QuoteYou are so pathetic! most gamecube owners are pathetic. that's why I'm shame for owning gc. it's no wonder that people think - gc is teh kiddy.
Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
According to an artricle on the inquirer, Microsoft will charge 5 british pounds for xbox live, per month. That is up from 40 pounds a year. So looks like xbox live in the US will be costing around 70 dollars a year now, maybe more. Ouch.
here is your link
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/about/subscription-offers.htm
Annual Renewal
Extend your Xbox Live subscription for 12 more months from Account Management in you Xbox Live Now Dashboard!
Price: $49.99 USD
Monthly Renewal
Extend your Xbox Live subscription one month at a time from Account Management in your Xbox Live Now Dashboard!
Price: $5.99 USD
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 16, 2004, 05:37:48 PM
People these days come up with anything to make a case against Nintendo fans. Tsk tsk.
It's like saying Xbox fans suck cause you don't know how much a GC controller costs.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 16, 2004, 05:40:44 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on February 16, 2004, 10:38:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: aLI!EnYou are so pathetic! most gamecube owners are pathetic. that's why I'm shame for owning gc. it's no wonder that people think - gc is teh kiddy.
Oh NO! We are teh pathetics because we don't know the price of something we don't give a crap about!!!11! OMFG! Time to take the butter knife to teh wrists!!
Post by: Uglydot on February 17, 2004, 12:58:24 AM
Post by: aLI!En on February 17, 2004, 03:29:22 AM
QuoteNo. It’s because most GC users don’t like online gaming only because Nintendo doesn’t have their own GC Live. You are company lover, not game lover! That’s bad! You are acting like kiddies.
Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
What, are you saying that we are kIdDeH cause we don't know the actual price of Xbox Live subscriptions?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 17, 2004, 06:03:04 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 17, 2004, 10:31:30 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 17, 2004, 03:10:04 PM
Post by: aLI!En on February 17, 2004, 04:32:59 PM
Quoteno you are not. you only play PC online games, sadly... Gotham2 rulez.
Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
I am the biggest online gamer on this forum.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 17, 2004, 04:35:15 PM
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no you are not. you only play PC online games, sadly... Gotham2 rulez.
This is pathetic- HE'S insulting US?
Post by: Uglydot on February 17, 2004, 04:44:31 PM
Whether or not we know the pricing system is a complete non-issue. I don't know how much it costs to finance a mortgage, yet I have no problem with any companies. I don't know who much it costs to buy most cars, and again, I don't care about company. XBL is not in our realm of knowledge for the most part because we simply do not care. Take your fan boy crap to another forum, it isn't needed here.
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 17, 2004, 07:49:53 PM
If you do not play online games on the PC than Xbox Live is the way to go since many of the great PC games find their way onto Xbox. The only problem is that many have stripped down online components. Also there is no ability to create user- created maps which limits replay value.
I only play online on the PC as of right now because I could not justify the purchase of another Xbox Live year. I will get the service again when SNK vs. Capcom SVC chaos comes out and by that time hopefully halo 2 will be out.
Until then Battlefield: Vietnam and Unreal 2004 will keep me more than busy with my online gaming.
Also anyone who disses online gaming probably has not found the right online game. Try a game like Rainbow six 3 or America's Army(which is free) and tell me these games are not adicting . I spent over 9 months completely hooked on Rainbow Six 3 (yes it is that good)
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 18, 2004, 02:24:17 AM
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 18, 2004, 03:22:27 AM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
You can't expect everyone to like Rainbow Six, Casey, it's just not that type of game. It's not an FPS you can just jump into and start shooting, it's a game where you have to be very precise in what you do. It's way too touchy feely for me- I don't like micromanaging every detail of a mission.
thats why the MP is so great. The SP is way too complicated and I have only played like 10 minutes of it. The MP has no real complications besides which gun you choose and what type of side weapon you want. It takes less than 30 seconds to set your character and you can change anything in between rounds, which makes it very MP friendly.
Basically though, I was trying to say there is an online game out there for everyone, since there is such diversity in the market. I was just showing the titles that got me into playing online on a regular basis
Post by: KDR_11k on February 18, 2004, 08:18:14 AM
Post by: Uglydot on February 18, 2004, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 18, 2004, 11:06:23 AM
Post by: vudu on February 18, 2004, 11:39:36 AM
i know i've been linking to penny arcade way too much lately, but gabe and typo seem to say everything i want to say, only they draw funny pictures next to the words. this pretty much sums up my thoughts towards online gaming and pretty much multiplayer gaming in general. while i enjoy an evening of drinking smash brothers as much as the next guy, for my everyday gaming i would far rather absorb myself into a fictional universe rather than play the same map on counterstrike for the entire evening.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 18, 2004, 12:00:20 PM
Anyway, I don't think xbox live is so bad, I just don't think it's all that great. I don't think you should force people to pay for games online, I think that there are people out there who like to have more control of how much they pay in their hands, not in the hands of a company who dictates everything. I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .
I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online. But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game. I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games. A server list is introduced, and there are countless services for you and your friends to use to see each other.
Talking on xbox games? Where do you think voice over IP started? VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.
Either way, I was on xbox live a year ago, had some fun with it, decided not to resubscribe? Does that mean I am not a hardcore online gamer? Hardly. That statement is on the lines of intelligence as saying your not a hardcore gamer unless you own every console in existence and buy every add on that came to it. Somethings aren't worth it to a lot of people, and that doesn't mean a lot in the long run.
Tell ya what though, you keep playing gotham2 online,
I will keep playing C&C, CoD, MOH:AA, UT2004, Halo, Mario Kart, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Warcraft, a nice long list of games. I could keep going a long time, but why bother? You have already made up your mind and I doubt intelligent arguements will unmake it.
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 18, 2004, 05:32:51 PM
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Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
Did I just get insulted by someone who plays gotham2 online? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was playing doom online before you had the internet.
Anyway, I don't think xbox live is so bad, I just don't think it's all that great. I don't think you should force people to pay for games online, I think that there are people out there who like to have more control of how much they pay in their hands, not in the hands of a company who dictates everything. I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .
I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online. But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game. I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games. A server list is introduced, and there are countless services for you and your friends to use to see each other.
Talking on xbox games? Where do you think voice over IP started? VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.
Either way, I was on xbox live a year ago, had some fun with it, decided not to resubscribe? Does that mean I am not a hardcore online gamer? Hardly. That statement is on the lines of intelligence as saying your not a hardcore gamer unless you own every console in existence and buy every add on that came to it. Somethings aren't worth it to a lot of people, and that doesn't mean a lot in the long run.
Tell ya what though, you keep playing gotham2 online,
I will keep playing C&C, CoD, MOH:AA, UT2004, Halo, Mario Kart, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Warcraft, a nice long list of games. I could keep going a long time, but why bother? You have already made up your mind and I doubt intelligent arguements will unmake it.
Wow you have my respect. I totally agree
also those guys over at Penny Arcade must mot be playing the demo because in my 5-10 hours of play I have not heard one gripe about anything he said. The only problem is that there is a bit of lag.
Post by: aLI!En on February 20, 2004, 07:13:50 AM
QuoteYou simply didn’t find good game. Online is addicted for everybody with good games.
I didn't like it long before I even knew the Gamecube existed.
QuoteTypical Nintendo fan response. Same as above.
And anyhow, most here hated online before XBLive was an issue.
QuoteYou are comparing DC online with Xbox LIVE?????
I myself enjoyed online DC games, but find console online gaming limited.
QuoteBelieve me, I’m trying to avoid this forum as hard as I can. There are so many kids here.
Take your fan boy crap to another forum, it isn't needed here.
QuoteJust turn off FSAA, you’ll have 60+ fps.
I got Unreal Championship, which had massive frame rate problems.
QuoteThere is a lots of downloadable stuff!!!
Also there is no ability to create user- created maps which limits replay value.
QuoteYou are pathetic indeed.
Did I just get insulted by someone who plays gotham2 online? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was playing doom online before you had the internet.
Quote15 bucks is a lot more than 7. Shame on you.
I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .
QuoteYou are a kid, or you don’t know anything about servers. What do you think how much cost maintaining of live servers? There are a lot of them, you know? Keep playing PC games with cheaters, maybe you are one of them. There is NO SINGL ONE CHEATER ON LIVE.
I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online. But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game.
QuotePC servers with bunch of cheaters… No tnx, I’ll pay for lag/cheaters free game.
I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games.
QuoteI didn’t see noone PC game with built in VoIP + voice masking.
VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on February 20, 2004, 07:51:34 AM
What again is the point of this topic???
Oh yes, english 101.
ah, tabernac
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 20, 2004, 10:05:05 AM
Do I know how much it costs to maintane servers? Obviously a lot more than you do. Having run two servers for my own use for about a year now, I am very familiar with the amount of bandwith required to maintane about 30 people playing a game with a decent frame rate.
The funny thing about the live servers you keep raving about is that for more than a few of the games its running p2p, the only thing connecting the servers is the user interface. Try it sometime. But that wasn't my point. My point is that if I am going to have to pay for a service straight out, and still have to pay for the games that truely require servers (PSO) I don't feel like playing.
One more thing, have you ever even heard of Punkbuster? There are so few cheaters its not even funny. Even if there were having rcon (remote console) I can kick whoever I feel is cheating, or ban them if they persist. Is it a hassle? Not really, in fact I find humorous to kick people constantly. How about closed battle.net? There is some hacking that gets through, there is in reality next to nothing.
BTW,
www.teamspeak.org www.ventrilo.com, VoIP. Works fine for me, or is the fact that it is seperate and far more advanced a turn off for you?
One more thing, How am I pathetic? I have been playing online games longer than you have known what online means? How does this work?
Post by: aLI!En on February 20, 2004, 02:41:34 PM
online
Have you ever heard for Amiga game called Populous? I play that game online 15 years ago using 9600 modem...
servers & VOIP
Don’t tell me anything about that. 3 years ago, I did setup one. I know TCP/IP better than anyone here. I also have Ventrilo server online about 6 months, and guess what, it doesn’t support voice masking like XBOX LIVE!
cheaters
It’s normal thing on PC games. Software like Punkbuster can stop them a little, but if you find humorous to kick cheaters constantly, good for you. Play with them until the rest of your life.
You are acting as pathetic newbie.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 20, 2004, 03:49:27 PM
Honestly though, I would like you to try something out, it's called an article. For instance a, an, the. You are acting like a newbie.
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 20, 2004, 04:21:41 PM
Post by: Uglydot on February 20, 2004, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 20, 2004, 08:07:33 PM
Post by: Uglydot on February 20, 2004, 08:42:58 PM
I have a vent server too, go you. It serves its purpose well, I can hear my teammates. I would never pay for it. Voice masking is useless to me.
Also, if you know tcp/ip so much, then you have the extra time to learn some english, invest in a dictionary or perhaps some rudimentary grammar book. Some typos are fine, but come on here.
Post by: aLI!En on February 21, 2004, 02:27:34 AM
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Post by: Oldskool on February 21, 2004, 04:09:02 AM
WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU WANT TO GET XBOX LIVE WHEN YOU COULD BE PLAYING SUPERIOR ONLINE GAMES FOR FREE (except for the cost of the game itself and net charges) ON THE PC!!!
Battlefield 1942 owns most online shooters with tons of vehicles, and up to 64 players... and its FREE
Diablo 2 has a huge community and more shiny items then you could shake a stick at.. and its also FREE
Counter-Strike is possibly better on the Xbox... but its been outclassed by newer games and its FREE on the pc
Plus dozens of the greatest RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can all be played online on the pc for not a cent more than the games cost and the internet fees.
And then if you have money to throw on subscriptions there are alot of MMO games. But FREE online games are better than the subscription console games will ever be.
The bottom line is: The PC is the undispted king of online games. So instead of MS and Sony putting their bucks into a "war" they cannot win, why don't they try and make CONSOLE gaming better, like Nintendo? I'll never fork out for one of these subscription services, and I'll never forgive if a AAA game is canned because more resourses are being put into the online games.
Post by: Ymeegod on February 21, 2004, 06:45:45 AM
Not much. When's the last fighter you played on the PC? Let alone one that can be played online?
Or half the other sports minus Madden and a few other EA titles? Top Spin anyone. Or what about Amped or SSX3 (ps2).
PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.
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I actually like Xbox's Live and it's features. Played alot of online PC's and PS2 to realize unless you're playing against someone trustworthly you're going run into alot of issues. Cheating isn't the only issue but people LOGGING off is especially for sports games. Nothing cries "loser" more than logging off before the game is finished. In xbox live you can report them and leave them feedback which prevents others from having similar issues.
Hell I was more than willing to dish out another $$ to get to play GC games online but saddly freaking Big N said it wasn't profitable enough, instead they rather waste money with the DS
.Post by: CaseyRyback on February 21, 2004, 07:28:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can "
Not much. When's the last fighter you played on the PC? Let alone one that can be played online?
Or half the other sports minus Madden and a few other EA titles? Top Spin anyone. Or what about Amped or SSX3 (ps2).
PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.
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I actually like Xbox's Live and it's features. Played alot of online PC's and PS2 to realize unless you're playing against someone trustworthly you're going run into alot of issues. Cheating isn't the only issue but people LOGGING off is especially for sports games. Nothing cries "loser" more than logging off before the game is finished. In xbox live you can report them and leave them feedback which prevents others from having similar issues.
Hell I was more than willing to dish out another $$ to get to play GC games online but saddly freaking Big N said it wasn't profitable enough, instead they rather waste money with the DS
Just how are PC titles limited? Besides sports and fighting games, many which have only just started to allow people to play online(in fact if my memory serves correctly Virtua Fighter 2 was online for the PC). Also many of those games you mention like SSX3 allow ou to compete aganist only one person which in my mind negates the reason for online play.
These games do not sell thats why there is not big publisher support to bring them to the PC. The PC is still the king of the MMO, the RTS, FPS, Third Person Shooter and the western RPG.
Also reporting people on Live does nothing, I saw so many racial names in UC and many people calling each other the N word all the time. Personally with using a mouse and keyboard the experience is a lot less prone to twelve year old's being dumbasses. Many a time I simply left a server because one kid ruined the experience for everyone.
Also without the PC and PC online gaming, Microsoft would have never made a console, because they survive on western games which thrive on the functionality of online gaming.
Post by: Oldskool on February 21, 2004, 11:06:30 PM
Post by: aLI!En on February 22, 2004, 03:41:59 AM
Quoteok, I’ll give you the reasons.
WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU WANT TO GET XBOX LIVE WHEN YOU COULD BE PLAYING SUPERIOR ONLINE GAMES FOR FREE ON THE PC!!!
1. no cheaters
2. unique gamertags in all games
3. lo lag
4. built in voice communication with voice masking
5. scoreboards
6. all games on one place
7. no patch (bug free games)
…
and much more. Not to mention a lot of great games like Gotham2. Believe me, LIVE is worth every $! Try once, I’m sure you’ll find LIVE as great online service.
QuoteI’m not much into fps games.
Battlefield 1942 owns most online shooters with tons of vehicles, and up to 64 players... and its FREE
QuoteI know. I play some PC games online, like worms on wormnet. But, believe me, LIVE > PC online.
Plus dozens of the greatest RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can all be played online on the pc for not a cent more than the games cost and the internet fees.
QuoteYes, but they are expensive.
And then if you have money to throw on subscriptions there are alot of MMO games.
QuoteNo it isn’t. I’ll put LIVE at first place.
The bottom line is: The PC is the undispted king of online games.
Quote???
So instead of MS and Sony putting their bucks into a "war" they cannot win, why don't they try and make CONSOLE gaming better, like Nintendo?
QuoteOnly blind man can’t se shortage of some genre for PC.
Just how are PC titles limited? Besides sports and fighting games, many which have only just started to allow people to play online(in fact if my memory serves correctly Virtua Fighter 2 was online for the PC).
QuoteWhat’s wrong with 1 vs. 1?
Also many of those games you mention like SSX3 allow ou to compete aganist only one person which in my mind negates the reason for online play.
QuoteAnd that’s cant happened to any other network/service? I have seen that so many times in (PC) CS games.
Many a time I simply left a server because one kid ruined the experience for everyone.
Quote???
Also without the PC and PC online gaming, Microsoft would have never made a console, because they survive on western games which thrive on the functionality of online gaming.
QuoteNo. Now is the great time for online gaming. Just spend few hours on live, and you’ll find out what I’m talking about.
My point is online gaming on the PC is more fun without paying a subscription than console subscription services will probably ever be. So consoles should stick to their own game. Maybe one day consoles should be online, but it is not now.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 22, 2004, 05:41:33 AM
Also, the best fighter ever was on PC: One Must Fall 2097! It's freeware nowadays but still offers features no other game has (like, a tournament where you buy upgrades). The sequel (OMF: Battlegrounds) isn't as good, but hell, it's a 16 player fighting game with online capablities. And recent, too.
Post by: Oldskool on February 22, 2004, 09:39:45 AM
Post by: Oldskool on February 22, 2004, 09:50:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.
Er, not exactly... lets see... Warcraft 3, DX2, Knights of the old republic (PC version is best), Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Bf1942, Homeworld2, Dungeon Siege, the upcoming Armed & Dangerous, Medievil: Total War, and about 10 other AAA titles ahve come out in the past year and a half or are coming in the next few months. Now if I could just dig out some PC Gamer and PC zone magazines and remember some other good PC games... and the several thousand crappy ones.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 22, 2004, 12:54:55 PM
Lag is absolutely nothing in pc games.
Now lets get down to other things. How many games on xbox have mods freely available, as well as other home made levels? How many games have patches to fix glitches that may be in the multiplayer? Don't lay the line that there are no glitches, there are plenty, it's the nature of creating games.
Another thing, have you never been in a game where the guy keeps team killing everyone? That's the beauty of rcon stuff, you can control to a great extent the play of a lot of gamers. Of course in a game like diablo 2, there is some lag, especially when there are tons of things being casted, but for christ sake, the game has been out so long people have already documented how fast you can cast before it does no damage, at this point it is usually a nonfactor.
Low ping, is again, relative. It's relative to where the server is located. Your not going to have a 30 ping in a server on the other side of the US. It will be more like 80ms, or higher. If low ping means no dial up, what is so different from a decent online server? Most have autokicks for people over pings of 350, and if they are lagging so bad, it's easy enough to kick.
What is it with gotham though? Name your five favorite games on Live!, would be nice to see what games you like. Also, please name what other games you play on PC.
Are PC games limited in some genres, probablly so, but it has more to do with the control set up of a PC. A PC is designed (atleast keyboard anyway) can handle more complex games, and has more freedom for the user, which explains why you see more RTS, and a lot of real time RPGs on PC.
Post by: Uglydot on February 22, 2004, 04:17:17 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 22, 2004, 04:39:14 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on February 23, 2004, 04:03:39 AM
LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?
Sure once in a blue moon you're get an adventure type of game or a few action ports and EA's sport series (some of them) but for the most part the BULK of PC games lies within those three genres.
Post by: Ymeegod on February 23, 2004, 04:11:01 AM
So you rather have a sh!tty ass GBA-GC connection feature
. That's what I call a waste of money. I'd rather have FFCC online and pay $50 a year and I'm not the only one. Or what about MKDD? Rather have that online too as alot of people too, and I'm not talking about warp-project neither. Post by: Ymeegod on February 23, 2004, 04:20:27 AM
LMOA. Recall playing that on my 486 DX 66 packard bell. It wasn't that great IMO.
Haven't played the sequel though but it didn't sound like any competition for fighter-of-the-year neither.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 23, 2004, 05:20:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?
What do I need the GC for? Hm, how about singleplayer games?
Whenever I look through my library of GC titles I notice I have almost no multiplayer games. That's likely because I rarely have friends over (one, once per week, one hour). I just don't consider multiplayer a factor on the console (as opposed to the PC, where bot support is common).
Now please tell me how many genres the XBox has online. It's a fact that consoles have more genres than the PC, but how many of those are compatible with multiplayer/online play?
Post by: Ymeegod on February 23, 2004, 07:41:24 AM
DUh! You just stated yourself. You're skipping over tons of MP games because Nintendo has ZERO ONLINE support. As for genres there's plenty, party type of games (there's already Wacked but I'd rather have MP4 online myself), there's fighters as I already stated (MvC2 and soon to be released DOA-Online, again Nintendo's own SSBM would have been killer). Even extreme sport titles are rather limited on the PC's lately, EA didn't bother porting either THUG or SSX3 yet (both online with PS2)--Xbox has Amped and the GC has 1080 2 with no online support.
As for RPG's, Everquest Adventures rings to mind (PS2) & Championship of something as well. Xbox has True Fantasy Online coming sometime or other.
Post by: The Omen on February 23, 2004, 10:15:54 AM
D online, is there anybody here who wouldn't think its great? And if they did have online options, one wonders how many 3rd party games would've been online by now, because that is one hell of a first party online lineup. Would those games get 1 million GC users online? I think it might, and i think it could be profitable by the time N5 came out. Again, busting on Live is easy, because basically MS hyped it beyond comprehension. And thats their own fault, but its a good idea because they now have a head start when the next gen starts.
Post by: Oldskool on February 23, 2004, 12:19:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"Warcraft 3, DX2, Knights of the old republic (PC version is best), Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Bf1942, Homeworld2, Dungeon Siege, the upcoming Armed & Dangerous, Medievil: Total War, and about 10 other AAA titles ahve come out in the past year and a half or are coming in the next few months"
LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?
Sure once in a blue moon you're get an adventure type of game or a few action ports and EA's sport series (some of them) but for the most part the BULK of PC games lies within those three genres.
I have a GCN to get my: Platformer, Action/Adventure-ish, and Nintendo game fix. I'd say with a GCN and a PC, I can get the best of every genre.
(Except for sports games, which I'm not really into.)
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 23, 2004, 05:47:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?
What do I need the GC for? Hm, how about singleplayer games?
Whenever I look through my library of GC titles I notice I have almost no multiplayer games. That's likely because I rarely have friends over (one, once per week, one hour). I just don't consider multiplayer a factor on the console (as opposed to the PC, where bot support is common).
Now please tell me how many genres the XBox has online. It's a fact that consoles have more genres than the PC, but how many of those are compatible with multiplayer/online play?
Its a fact that the PC has far more genres than the console.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 23, 2004, 08:42:39 PM
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DUh! You just stated yourself. You're skipping over tons of MP games because Nintendo has ZERO ONLINE support. As for genres there's plenty, party type of games (there's already Wacked but I'd rather have MP4 online myself), there's fighters as I already stated (MvC2 and soon to be released DOA-Online, again Nintendo's own SSBM would have been killer). Even extreme sport titles are rather limited on the PC's lately, EA didn't bother porting either THUG or SSX3 yet (both online with PS2)--Xbox has Amped and the GC has 1080 2 with no online support.
As for RPG's, Everquest Adventures rings to mind (PS2) & Championship of something as well. Xbox has True Fantasy Online coming sometime or other.
I expected you to say that. If you need to know, I hate the online environment itself. I just don't like realtime interaction with people I don't know. I don't chat, I don't play online.
Also I wouldn't play any of those mentioned online, mostly because I doubt I could put up a good fight in any of them. I extrapolate that from my performance in SC2 and THPS2/3.
BTW, 1080 was the worst example you could find, since that game can be tunnelled. I know, N didn't make it go online, but LAN-piping seems to work, so...
Casey: Not as of late. Back in the PS1 days games were released on consoles and PC, but that seems to have ended. Hell, Final Fantasy VII and VIII were on PC! Not that you could play Mario or Final Fantasy multiplayer, but...
Hm, why don't they build the "Mario and Luigi Multiplayer" into newer Mario games anymore? Heck, why do they try to tell a story in Mario games???
Post by: Uglydot on February 24, 2004, 12:55:09 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 24, 2004, 06:11:14 AM
Post by: Uglydot on February 24, 2004, 09:19:52 AM
Post by: AMac2002 on February 24, 2004, 02:30:30 PM
). I can get invited to play RS:3, with a guy I met and put on my friends list, while I'm playing some other game, and just pop in RS:3 and play. You can't do that with PC Games. It has a lot more features than that, too. I'd be into PC gaming online WAAAY more than my Xbox, but my PC can't handle the games I want just yet (well it could, but they'd be super laggy, so no). I'm gonna buy I a new one once Half Life 2 comes out.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 24, 2004, 03:25:23 PM
Post by: AMac2002 on February 24, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
anyways, the thing is, ALL xbox live players have those features, but i highly doubt every online gamer has xfire, or w/e is there.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 25, 2004, 09:59:02 AM
I personally don't use it, instead the ingame server lists, or xfire.
Post by: AMac2002 on February 25, 2004, 11:54:01 AM
And don't think I'm some online gaming god or something, I actually rarely play online. Counterstrike, for PC actually, was my last super-addicting game, but I sometimes rent a few Xbox Live featured games now and again. Overall, it's a good service that fits my needs fairly well. Not that online PC gaming doesn't, I just don't feel it's as efficient.
Post by: Uglydot on February 25, 2004, 12:20:37 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 25, 2004, 02:14:16 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on February 26, 2004, 02:15:25 AM
So another words, since YOU don't like it nobody else should
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Yeah, there's been buddy lists for awhile (you can track them even), recalled Heat.com and Mplayer both having them and that's 4+ years back now.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 26, 2004, 02:23:43 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on February 26, 2004, 03:11:12 AM
Same for PC's market bud. The majority don't have anything to do with online gaming.
Sony's already reached 1+ million users, and xbox's reached 750K (paid service no less), so there is a market and it's only going continue to grow.
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There's one thing not to add a DVD player (since it really doesn't add to gameplay) but to lack features like online play while both other competitors do isn't the smartest move in the book which could explain why it's in last place in the US. It's like Sony's lack of 4 controller ports even though both Nintendo and Sega (at that time) were using them, yeah I know about the multiplayer port add-on but developers still don't support it because it's an addon and it simply doesn't sell.
Post by: The Omen on February 26, 2004, 03:39:24 AM
D, ssbm, and even Mario Golf(and tennis, whenever its released). Who here would not be into playing people from these very forums in these outstanding games? And i'm not saying scrap the 4 player support, you could still ignore it if you wanted to. At least the option would be there.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 26, 2004, 08:36:27 AM
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 26, 2004, 10:39:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Well the majority of the console gaming population doesn't...
the majority of the gaming population is too cheap to upgrade to broadband, which is why the majority does not. If you have broadband and do not play any games online then you are throwing your money away
Post by: KDR_11k on February 26, 2004, 07:39:39 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 26, 2004, 11:14:48 PM
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Originally posted by: CaseyRyback
If you have broadband and do not play any games online then you are throwing your money away
Are you pointing at me? That is a silly statement.
I have broadband, and have no interest in online gaming. Just b/c I have broadband doesn't mean I have to force myself to play online games. And I don't even consider my broadband connection a waste of money (errr, parent's money I mean
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 27, 2004, 04:49:37 PM
When you are gaming online you quickly learn why dial up sucks, and why broadband is just so great.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on February 27, 2004, 10:57:51 PM
Post by: Uglydot on March 14, 2004, 05:24:00 AM
After having dial up...I definatly see the difference between the two in just every day browsing. Going from 4KBp/s to 360KBp/s is noticable.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 14, 2004, 07:06:18 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 14, 2004, 07:16:01 PM
BTW, I tried playing UT2k4 online, but noticed I can't hit a barn at 100ms, is that a normal latency for 768/128 DSL?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 15, 2004, 10:00:59 AM
Think you can't tell the difference between 1M/s and 3M/s? It's the difference between 5-10ms in a ping, and that can make a hell of a difference depending on the game.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 16, 2004, 06:06:20 AM
10ms is one frame on 100fps. That's a lot lower than my own reaction time.
Post by: Uglydot on March 16, 2004, 11:23:26 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 16, 2004, 11:41:27 AM
Post by: Uglydot on March 17, 2004, 12:41:24 AM
Post by: VAVA Mk-2 on May 24, 2004, 08:26:02 PM
Post by: Mario on May 24, 2004, 10:08:30 PM
Ever heard of offline multiplayer? You know, with like, 4 people in the same room? That requires physical friends.
Post by: DrZoidberg on May 24, 2004, 10:11:17 PM
Post by: BigHit30 on May 25, 2004, 10:48:32 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2004, 12:04:20 PM
I happen to get more value and convenience of playing "party games" in the same room with friends (after we all go out to dinner and LOL in public).
Plus, a lot online games AND games that SHOULD'VE been online don't interest me enought to warrant the pursuit of online multiplay.
Post by: BigHit30 on May 25, 2004, 12:27:15 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2004, 06:02:08 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 26, 2004, 02:08:49 AM
There don't seem to be any really interesting online games on the market right now, all you can get are FPS and RTS games. In the former you get killed by people who don't have such a f###ing high ping, in the latter you have to learn build orders by heart unless you want to lose in five minutes. Then there are the racing games, which you lose if you make a single error... Oh, of course there are the click&watch... err.... MMO games but aside from Guild Wars they all cost money to play.
Post by: vixtro on June 05, 2004, 02:46:59 PM
**WARNING** take much care if u do get xbox live because it may and most proly eat all ur time up
and if ur a really big hardcore gamer like me and got £200 to spend, i suggest big time that u get steel battalion and its live version on ebay or somewhere else if u can
Post by: KDR_11k on June 05, 2004, 08:18:22 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on June 06, 2004, 10:11:04 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 07, 2004, 06:39:29 PM
1) find a server closer
2) find a server that is on a better pipe (ex. Lanfire pipe for us)
3) upgrade upload/download bandwith
Just for starters.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 07, 2004, 11:13:32 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on June 08, 2004, 09:20:35 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2004, 12:54:33 AM
Post by: evil intentions on June 11, 2004, 01:05:11 PM
Post by: oohhboy on June 14, 2004, 03:39:11 AM
But if I lead the shot on a moving target I get them almost everytime.
Mind you though this is a shared BB connection and bandwidth is not the major issue. It is lag. Bandwidth only influances this is you don't have enough of it to recieve the info and even the most basic BB has enough bandwidth for most games.
