Post by: jmoe316 on February 09, 2004, 11:01:51 AM
I am still unsure if I like this or not. On one side, we are missing out on a whole new system, and new systems, no matter from what company, are always cool. But on the other hand this could be very good, especially on our wallets
. Instead of a new system we could get hard drives, maybe DVD players, who knows. And plus, by the last generation of the system, developers are masters at maximizing the potential of the hardware, so we'd get a good few years of awesome games right? By then, they would know all the tricks and stuff to create some brilliant games. i think i am for this for the reason of saving my wallet and seeing what hardware we get out of this! EDIT: Just wanted to add this quote incase some people may not click the link: "Nintendo still plans to release a new console, but for the next three years it will be content with merely adding features to the GameCube. " Looks like we'll be having the cube till 2007-2008.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 09, 2004, 11:06:35 AM
My best guess is that this is a strategy to stay dominant in the handheld market - marketing DS, a new Gameboy and a new home console all in the space of two years might be expensive and "cannibalistic".
Having said that...SEGA!! This is exactly what killed Sega...pumping out peripherals that didn't really add that much value to the hardware and releasing new systems out of sync with the other major players. I love Nintendo, I don't own any other systems and I'll buy the next console anyway, but frankly, even I'll go buy a PS3 or an Xbox 2 if Nintendo doesn't release a competing system within a year of their launch.
I can only pray that this is a mistake...bad translation, misinformation, anything! Either that or I'll pray Nintendo really has an honest-to-goodness secret up it's sleeve, but I'm not holding my breath.
Post by: Pinnacle on February 09, 2004, 11:07:09 AM
Add ons dont do well in the US traditionally (with a few exceptions) and personally I'm not going to pay for any. Im fine.
Personally I think alot of developers should team up and merge with a console maker to take on Sony's near monopoly of the games industry but thats just me.
Post by: Retroyoshi on February 09, 2004, 11:11:14 AM
Also, if Nintendo decides to delay entry into this generation and support the cube, they will instantly have the highest installed base for "next generation". This may actually be the best move they have made in a while (and still have a $99 price point). Remember, there are a LOT of people that just bought a cube this christmas- it would be a bad thing to drop support and introduce a new system only a year after a new user base is built.
I'm also thinking that the DS has something to do with this....
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 09, 2004, 11:17:18 AM
Post by: Retroyoshi on February 09, 2004, 11:23:57 AM
Maybe pack a gameboy advance with it?
In any case, more "big guns" are coming this christmas (the new Zelda and Mario), and if the userbase grows again- all of those "new users" will be left in the cold. Also, I have a feeling that despite Halo2 and whatever PS2 launches this christmas- unless they delay their new consoles a lot of people may hold off for the "new ones". Then again, they might hold off on the Nintendo console also- but like I said, a new model, Mario game, and a $99 price point might do wonders for it.
Post by: Cap on February 09, 2004, 11:34:23 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 11:45:51 AM
I REALLY didn't feel like moving on to the next generation so soon...
Post by: TooShort on February 09, 2004, 11:54:22 AM
In my opinion, the software this generation has not had the Nintendo touch. If I had known the quality of some of the big-name GCN software (i.e. Mario Sunshine, and to a lesser extent Zelda) before the system came out -- I might not have bought the system. I loved Nintendo when they made unbelievably great games. But they have some how managed to lose the knack of producing great games. Mario Sunshine pales in comparison to Mario 64, GCN has nothing to even compare to GE or PD! There have been no great multi-player games for the current console; SSMB:M was decent, but, like the Marios, I still prefer the original. TS2's multiplayer was alright, but it wasn't exclusive and GCN's wasn't the best version of the three. And besides that, if I'm gonna play a FPS with some friends I'm gonna play Halo, and later on Halo2 and PD0 (on the Xbox!!!). TS2 can't shake a stick at Halo. Nintendo's current and announced software lineups just can't sustain good sales for another three years! Plus on top of all that 3rd parties have already started to jump ship.
The gist of this rant is this: Unless Nintendo makes some major changes in its software development philosophies, makes games as good as they were last generation and attracts more development houses to their current system -- there is no way that this system will last three more years.
P.S. keep in mind I didn't even mention online gaming!! Just imagine where online gaming could be in three years....and Nintendo will still be stuck in years past, forcing single-button games upon people and demanding that online gaming is not what gamers want!
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 11:56:21 AM
Nintendo has been saying in like every interview that games are too complex for the average person and simple games are the future of the industry. They then go and completely ignore their own statement by making a portable with two screens and now they want to make hardware add-ons as well? Seems to me that that's going to confuse people more than anything. The simularites with Sega's own demise is unreal as well. Surely Nintendo isn't stupid enough to think hardware add-ons will be accepted. The 64DD BOMBED. Surely they remember that. Sega had to leave the console market because of this sort of crap. Surely they noticed that.
This also is in stark contrast with what NOA has been saying all along. They always talk about being commited to matching the competition with the next console. So now that's not going to happen or what? Has NCL just made these decisions out of nowhere without alerting NOA or was NOA just full of it all along?
I'm going to wait and see if any new info comes up because these just seems like such a dumb idea I don't even think Nintendo would think they could do it. I'm hoping for some clarification or it turns out to be a mistranslation.
One good thing of all this though is that if Nintendo decides to emulate the fall of Sega maybe their last console will be as cool as the Dreamcast. One can only hope.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 11:59:48 AM
Actually, this rumor doesn't make too much sense at all(as much as I'd like the Big 3 to hold off on their next-gens)...As Ian said, in two recent interviews it was said that the GC2 was in progress, so it just doesn't add up...
Post by: kovu_br on February 09, 2004, 12:04:14 PM
If that's so expect to see pretty much no third party releases in 2006 and 2007.
Sure I bought the Cube primarily to play Nintendo games, but still...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 12:05:56 PM
I doubt it. When the PS2 was released you could buy an N64 or Dreamcast for less money and both of those consoles had a superior lineup of games. But people didn't. They bought a PS2 or waiting until they were available. When the PS3 comes out people are going to assume the Cube is an out-of-date machine on it's last legs. Maybe if Nintendo were the market leader they could pull this off but they're not. People still bought an NES when the Genesis was released because Nintendo was the market leader. This next generation will follow the PS3. Nintendo can't release their console whenever they feel like it. They don't have that kind of presence in the market to do that sort of thing.
Post by: TooShort on February 09, 2004, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: evilnate on February 09, 2004, 12:11:14 PM
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"A new gamer will go into the store to see a 300 dollar Xbox2 or PS3, then look at the 99 dollar GC, and will most likely go with the cheaper one..."
I doubt it. When the PS2 was released you could buy an N64 or Dreamcast for less money and both of those consoles had a superior lineup of games. But people didn't. They bought a PS2 or waiting until they were available. When the PS3 comes out people are going to assume the Cube is an out-of-date machine on it's last legs. Maybe if Nintendo were the market leader they could pull this off but they're not. People still bought an NES when the Genesis was released because Nintendo was the market leader. This next generation will follow the PS3. Nintendo can't release their console whenever they feel like it. They don't have that kind of presence in the market to do that sort of thing.
Exactly. If this is true, then this is a decision that would be made by a company that was the industry lead, and could afford to take a "wait and see" approach. Nintendo is most certaintly not the industry leader right now, when it comes to hardware.
So, sort of on topic, if this is true, then what kind of add-ons are we likely to see. A DS player? A hard drive? The GCDD?
There's still an unused port on the bottom of the GC. What could fill it?Honestly, at this point, my choice would be for a DD/DTS 5.1 output add-on. Sure, it's not the most blockbuster thing in the world, but it might be nice.
Post by: kovu_br on February 09, 2004, 12:20:49 PM
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Post by: Mario on February 09, 2004, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on February 09, 2004, 12:51:56 PM
Three years is probably just as estimate.
Fall of 2006 is ALMOST three years from now and that would be an appropriate release date for the console. There's a good chance the PS3 won't make it out until 2006 either. The 2005 release date has always had a big MAYBE attached to it.
As far as I'm concerned this would be the perfect scenereo. The PS3 slips into early 2006 then Nintendo comes out with a significantly better console at the end of 2006. Sure, Sony would still have a head-start but it wouldn't be THAT big a deal since it wouldn't get a single competition-free holiday season.
Post by: CaseyRyback on February 09, 2004, 12:54:24 PM
Thank god NOA cleared it up for me, they updated and made me feel better.
Post by: Rhoq on February 09, 2004, 01:06:05 PM
Post by: Armed on February 09, 2004, 01:07:40 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 01:08:50 PM
"It's all a bunch of phooey."
Thank God.
Post by: Mario on February 09, 2004, 01:18:15 PM
I say bring back long lifespans
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 09, 2004, 01:30:02 PM
Plus, MS is having a very big problem with the direction of "NeXboX" and I think that has a whole lot to do with this "Delay".
Post by: Pinnacle on February 09, 2004, 01:30:14 PM
Ive fought over at TXB to voice concern about a 2005-6 Xbox 2 launch and I am consistent with that sentiment regarding all consoles. i dont want anyone to release a next gen system until 2007-2008. I cant afford to just keep shelling out this money for games and i certainly cant keep buying a expensive system whenever a console manufacter deems it neccessary for me to do so. I have to save up stinkin' change and wait for games to drop down to 20-30 bucks most of the time! All i can say to the console makers looking to launch early is "Get Real!".
Post by: Armed on February 09, 2004, 01:32:52 PM
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Damn, denied. I really hope the next Nintendo console doesn't come out until at least the end of 2006. GCN launched here halfway through 2002, if GCN2 comes out in 2005 then that's a pathetic 2-3 year lifespan. I'm already hearing some of my friends saying they're not getting a GCN because they're waiting for the next Nintendo console, to which i respond with "WTF". GameCube still has lots of life in it left.
I say bring back long lifespans
Yup me too, its too soon..
Post by: Pinnacle on February 09, 2004, 01:44:37 PM
If I am right then we get the best of both worlds.lol
Post by: Draygaia on February 09, 2004, 01:47:15 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 01:47:39 PM
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Whoa now ladies, lets not get too upset. For one, "NINTENDO IS NOT SEGA". Sega didn't fall from silly add ons, they fell because bootlegs of DreamCast games were as easy to come buy as milk, eggs and cheese.
WRONG. The Dreamcast failed because of a combination of Sega's ineptitude at managing a console and Sony's constant PS2 hype- piracy had nothing to do with the Dreamcast's death. If that were true, the Playstation, the best selling console in history, would have failed as well, consider it was also the most pirated console in history. Piracy just doesn't have that big of an effect on the industry. Maybe Sega's add ons specifically didn't bring about their downfall, but they represented Sega's inability to effectively market a console.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 01:49:55 PM
Sorry Australian launch date doesn't count.
Seriously though you were comparing the Aus launch date to the N5 US launch date. No matter what that will seem shorter than it should be. If the N5 came out in 2005 Australia would likely still have to wait until 2006 thus giving the Cube a 4 year lifespan. It's all moot anyway. I don't want something earlier but I don't want something really late either. Just match the PS3 and I'll be happy whether it be in 2005 or 2006.
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 09, 2004, 02:05:07 PM
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I myself would be content if the current generation lasted quite a bit longer, but I also want Nintendo to launch their next console at the same time Microsoft and Sony launch theirs.
WRONG. The Dreamcast failed because of a combination of Sega's ineptitude at managing a console and Sony's constant PS2 hype- piracy had nothing to do with the Dreamcast's death. If that were true, the Playstation, the best selling console in history, would have failed as well, consider it was also the most pirated console in history. Piracy just doesn't have that big of an effect on the industry. Maybe Sega's add ons specifically didn't bring about their downfall, but they represented Sega's inability to effectively market a console.
Piracy: Sega reported a loss of over $200million dollors from piracy of DreamCast Software for fiscal year 2000. You are right that piracy doesnt effect the industy on the whole but combine that knida loss coupled with the foolishness that they called direction and you have failure. PS was the most pirated system ever but people were still buying games in addition to the undergroud bootlegs.
Delay: I hope it happens so that by 200X I will have finally beaten Viewtiful Joe.
Post by: Mario on February 09, 2004, 02:05:16 PM
Plus when something launches in the US, it's basically already being talked about everywhere else. And a 4 year lifespan still isn't long enough.
Meh, whatever
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 02:12:08 PM
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Piracy: Sega reported a loss of over $200million dollors from piracy of DreamCast Software for fiscal year 2000. You are right that piracy doesnt effect the industy on the whole but combine that knida loss coupled with the foolishness that they called direction and you have failure. PS was the most pirated system ever but people were still buying games in addition to the undergroud bootlegs.
Actually, I believe it was closer to $150 million, and I believe it was due mainly to Sega's price cuts that did very little to stimulate sales. Find where Sega themselves said they lost $200 million to piracy specifically and I'll believe you. Otherwise, piracy to Sega was one very small chip in a block that was already filled with cracks.
Post by: joshnickerson on February 09, 2004, 02:32:25 PM
And I probably won't be getting into the next generation right away anyway.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 02:35:53 PM
By the way, check out IGNCube's latest mailbag- they admitted that the quote from Iwata used in the article was lifted from a prior interview, and everything about the periphrials is pure speculation (according to NOA itself). It still may be true, but what IGN (and apparently Gamespot) have reported is far from a confirmation.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 03:30:26 PM
"First -- much of the Nikkei article is speculation. Mr. Iwata's comments are from a prior interview and not in direct response to the subjects raised in the article," said Nintendo of America's director of public relations Beth Llewlyn. "Second -- We are staying in the hardware business. We're working on our next generation console system and will launch it at the same time as our competitors."
(Look in Talkback for a similar report)
Post by: Bloodworth on February 09, 2004, 03:35:28 PM
