Post by: Oldskool on February 08, 2004, 09:59:58 AM
Post by: Mario on February 08, 2004, 10:20:48 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 08, 2004, 10:27:23 AM
But VH1 is hardly music anymore anyway. . . more like pop culture. Oh well. I'll just listen instead of watching, I guess.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2004, 10:34:26 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 08, 2004, 10:38:25 AM
Post by: The Omen on February 08, 2004, 10:43:13 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 08, 2004, 11:56:07 AM
Post by: Berny on February 08, 2004, 12:36:35 PM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 08, 2004, 12:47:34 PM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 08, 2004, 12:50:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Today's music is absolute garbage...If I'm not listening to videogame music, it's 70's music...Back when everyone actually played instruments...
That's the way to go. I can't live without my videogame music, or 70's music! Where is this genre gone??? (Besides videogame music, its always there.) You ever notice how Nintendo has the catchiest of songs!?
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 08, 2004, 01:48:50 PM
And I mean top 40 from any period of time.
My music tastes are everywhere.
Music isn't dead.
I don't have cable. MTV's 'appeal' is all lost on me.
I watched a documentary about the 'creators of cool'. Channels like that see whats popular to the masses and market it to hell. Then they get popular. So THEY create what is cool, and market it to hell.
It's one big Circle of Consumerist Life.
Post by: Shift Key on February 08, 2004, 02:15:41 PM
QuoteAnd the masses watch MTV and the like to find the next 'bandwagon' to jump on. It's indeed a vicious cycle.
Channels like that see whats popular to the masses and market it to hell.
Seriously, music has been dying for a while. People might thing rap and RnB is here to stay, but it ain't. I can remember the times of Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer - most of today's teenagers can't. And are they still around?
HAMMERTIME *puts on parachute pants and funny glasses*
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 08, 2004, 02:29:32 PM
Post by: Mario on February 08, 2004, 02:50:21 PM
Post by: The Omen on February 08, 2004, 02:51:51 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 08, 2004, 03:41:26 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 08, 2004, 03:47:09 PM
I'd list my winamp list, but it'd take too long. 74 songs. . . the majority of this particular list, though, is taken up by Red Hot Chili Peppers, System of a Down, the White Stripes, and the Flaming Lips.
I enjoy music. Sometimes I'll just sit and listen to music and think, for a long time. My current think song is Street Spirit by Radiohead. Awesome song.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 08, 2004, 03:53:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2004, 04:10:03 PM
The only new-age groups I've liked enough to get a cd from them are Finger Eleven and Evanescence...
Other than Rock, I just listen to VG music and some Jrock/pop(Judy & Mary perhaps my favorite)...I can't stand any form of Rap, Country, or U.S. Pop
Post by: Mario on February 08, 2004, 04:23:52 PM
As for rap.. i dont like all rap, i really like Jay Z, Ludacris, Outkast.. and some others.. though. I don't hate whole genres of music, because there will always be at least one song that i will enjoy from every genre. Two of my favourite bands are Linkin Park and Outkast.
I listen to lots of videogame music and remixes too.
I'd rather not say what most of the stuff on my playlist is though, mostly pop/rock/rap songs
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2004, 04:31:44 PM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 08, 2004, 05:20:22 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 08, 2004, 05:23:09 PM
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 08, 2004, 07:53:39 PM
protip: if you enjoy old music but can't get into todays music, keep your record players in good order. and try not to sound so conceited
Post by: Ocarina Blue on February 08, 2004, 09:23:08 PM
I'm not trying to say that all musicians on the charts are lifless figureheads, but looking at them, I really can't help but feel most of them are.
Something that was previously an art, craft and science has been bastardised into some sort of money making machine. Ever since the end of WWII, has music been controlled by industry. It's arguably always been going downhill since then, but now it's ascended to a higher plateu of unrealism. What's really sad is that there are litleratly millions of virtuoso street musicians in many poorer countries, but no one gives a crap about them.
Don't know about anywhere else, but for the Aussies: Dick Smith is selling turntables with a USB port. You can finally rip all your records onto a omputer. Not bad, eh?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 08, 2004, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 08, 2004, 10:11:28 PM
Yeah, but the point is that young people are being spoon fed crap from pretty people with plastic faces who pretend to be both musicians and gangsters (of which they neither). Normally teenage kids should be rebellious, but now they're gobbling up whatever some suits behind a glass desk decide to feed to them. I mean, everything is so cleanly run; it's disgusting.
hey im young and i hate freken all these crappy pop,R&B,robby williams and whatever. i like the old MC's,Jazz and Uk's band and some metallica.
the sad thing is, you see kids grouping and become gangsters and they dress up in plastic cloths and act stupied (no offence to any one here) but you see them with guns, standing up doing nothing, and you see them on the street as well playing foot ball, thats why soccer picthes are made for, to play on but you got these idiots doing nothing and some times playing on roads and shooting a gun and all because they want to be like Eminem and Jrule and other people.
if this is out of the subject please tell me (or at least take my suger straws away from me).
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 08, 2004, 11:21:50 PM
One of the reasons why i like him is cause he released a totally different album to his usual genre of pop - Swing.
Swing When You're Winning is the album, and he did a damn well good job of it too, even better, dare i say, then Michael Buble, whom is also quite ok.
The songs were excellent remakes and new ones, and the DVD is awesome too.
I don't like ALL his songs, but the ones I bother to listen to are bloody fantastic.
I'm not gonna force you to like Robbie - just saying why I think he's great.
And I LOVE Queen. Well, the songs from the Greatest Hits album anyway.
I just keep coming back to Bohemian Rhapsody, Bicycle (
), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (which Michael Buble did a great version of) and Killer Queen.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 12:51:39 AM
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Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
protip: if you enjoy old music but can't get into todays music, keep your record players in good order. and try not to sound so conceited
There's nothing conceited about disliking crap...
Sure I find that there are still a few groups that sound good, but the numbers aren't nearly as large as my list of bands from the 70's...I consider that a hint that music is going downhill...Not to mention the corruption in the music industry(oh boy, Madonna and BS kissing!, Janet Jackson's breast!, etc...), I just find that the industry will continue to decline until something better arises from it...
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 09, 2004, 12:55:37 AM
i really hate music angst, it's moronic.
Post by: The Omen on February 09, 2004, 01:29:53 AM
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protip: if you enjoy old music but can't get into todays music, keep your record players in good order. and try not to sound so conceited
I assume you're talking about me, although assuming may get me in trouble. But if you are, i'll just say this: I havent called anyone stupid for listening to anything i dont like. There is plenty of music i dont care for, but can respect . Then theres the music that sucks and is a group put together by a talent show, who get a record deal because of it-NO RESPECT. So if by saying i go back to the 60's and 70's to find good music, its not conceited, its a prefference. I dont like Dave Matthews in the least, hate his music even, but i will respect him as an artist. Same with Blink 182..i hate the music, but i'll never bitch about people liking them.
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 09, 2004, 06:12:29 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on February 09, 2004, 06:17:10 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
MTV is the downfall of western culture. Period.
The truth in its purest form.
Want good music?
Nile Boogie will save us...
Summer 2004
ConerStone Records
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 09, 2004, 07:14:57 AM
I'd first like to say that there will always be two sides to this, and maybe more. I just think respect for the art of music is lost, and respect for the popularity of the music has risen. Bill had an awesome point, about a downfall occuring and media propraganda that shouldn't be there. (like the kissing)
DarkSyphor, it's not at all that we are looking down on you. Your young and you learned to back away from that type of style. That's great! That shows that not every young kid is getting influenced the way everyone else is. It just seems to me that with your generation and the next to come, that the "If your friend jumped off the bridge, Would you follow" type of thinking when it comes to music. I say this becuase it seems from my point of view, that to be cool now you have to be "Ghetto'ed" out like Nelly, and look/act like a slut like Christinia. Come on, Younger girls are dressing in ways they shouldnt at their age. It's all for the clubs, something to dance too. I think what The Omen said too is very true. Just becuase we don't like that genre of music, doesn't mean we don't respect for them as an artist. It's just their style, but when they do all this just for the money, fame, and all that follows and not for the heart and art of the music... Well, That really bothers me. Also, With Old School Hip-Hop.. The Artist did do something. I know a lot of old school MCs that actually have built schools to teach. That is when these artist have actually came from a hard life. KRS-One is a very smart man who came from South Bronx with no parents. Now he has 16 albums from 1986-2003, Teaches at Yale and Harvard and Standford and other colleges for Black History and Philosphy, Has 2 Philosphy books, and owns a school and opened a "Temple of Hip-Hop" to respect all the artists before him, and after him. That's putting a lot back into the community.
I also strongly support on what Ocarina Blue had to say. To DrZoidBerg, Music with meaning IS still around.. but I think I was trying to get at that it isn't as around as it used to be. You do have good points though, as the two users listening to pop. Of course it doesn't make them less in any way. Maybe they will get teased in a friendly matter, but nothing more than that. At the same time, they do it back. It's not meant to be offensive towards the listener though, its towards the industry itself. I just don't think I should need to look harder than I already am to find good new music. It's all in your own taste though. It's silly to argue over something like this, true.. but music affects everyone here and thats why its such a strong subject.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 09, 2004, 07:35:27 AM
I don't like MTV. I used to watch it because Daria was on, but then that just seemed to vanish, at least I think it did. I listen to music choice channels on tv which is nothing but music, and I have just about every genre available, except for videogame music. I don't think they have a channel for that yet.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 08:47:59 AM
In 1981 the music industry was stagnant. Radio station playlists were nothing but generic corporate trash formulated by focus groups and polling. Original content had no way of seeping into the average person's lives. Then a savior came down and introduced a new medium called the music video that jump started the careers of several acts and introduced whole new styles of music to a wide audience. That "savior" was MTV. A few years later the music played on MTV would gain mainstream popularity and since then MTV has been the authority on the tastes of the American youth mainstream. What had saved music two decades ago is now killing it.
I find that I just don't "get" today's music at all. I feel like an out-of-touch old fuddy duddy and I'm only 22. I SHOULD "get" this music. I graduated high school the year Britney Spears debuted. "Hit Me Baby One More Time" should in theory be my anthem. Most of the hip "artists" in the industry are the same age as me. Surely I should be able to relate to them and them to me.
But I don't. The last really great year for music for me was 1995. That was the last year where I liked 99% of everything released. And it isn't purely nostalgia either. I can go back and listen to nearly any of that stuff now and it's still Relevant and I still love it. Interestingly enough that's the year Lenny Kravitz sang "Rock 'n' Roll is Dead". I think I should ask Lenny for some lotto numbers.
I think one thing I really don't like about today's music is that it sounds very, very fake. Everything is very overproduced so nothing sounds like a real instrument anymore. Every song has all sorts of DJ stuff and sound effects thrown in. I'll accept that sort of thing to an extent in pop or rap music but not rock. Rock music is supposed to be a bunch of friends playing guitars in their garage. The only "fake" instrument that belongs in rock is a keyboard. No major part of the sound should require any studio trickery. If you can't play the song live with real instruments it isn't rock. I hear a song like "Numb" by Linkin Park and it sounds like it could be a song I would like. It has some good lyrics and the melody is pretty solid. Unfortunately it has all sorts of weird effects and looping vocals and whatnot. That just hurts the song for me. It's like a pretty girl who wears so much make up that she becomes ugly.
I personally think the music industry is in a slump right now (ie: low album sales which are blamed on pirating of course). This sort of thing happened in the late 70s and it happened in the early 60s during the post-Elvis pre-Beatles period. What the industry needs is some talented group to come out of nowhere and set a new standard. Bands like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, U2, Nirvana, etc all did this and the industry benefited because of it.
I think I should start playing my guitar more often and play with my friends more often. The opportunity is there for a band to grab the industry by its nuts. I just need a drummer. There's like no one I know with my music tastes that plays drums.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 09, 2004, 10:21:17 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 09, 2004, 10:32:02 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 09, 2004, 10:38:50 AM
to Barry. 
freed kenshin: get MORE Barry White!
oh yeah, saftey dance is a cool song.
ssssaaaafffftttteeeeyyyy ddddaaaannnncccceeee
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 09, 2004, 10:43:42 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2004, 10:54:55 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 11:03:24 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 09, 2004, 12:04:49 PM
And mainly it's just us making fun of our friend. I mean, no I'm not an Enya fan, but we make fun of him about everything. About his obsession with water, his obsession with (vomit) Sailor Moon, and the fact that he likes Mario Party 4 so much.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2004, 12:06:04 PM
<3 4-player Booksquirm
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 09, 2004, 01:16:02 PM
Post by: Shift Key on February 09, 2004, 01:40:01 PM
Termin8: Evanescence got a Grammy for best new artist. Go nuts....... now
Post by: Draygaia on February 09, 2004, 01:42:54 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 01:53:24 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 09, 2004, 02:39:39 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 02:47:21 PM
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Post by: Kraven on February 09, 2004, 04:26:20 PM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 09, 2004, 08:30:33 PM
Maxx, The Head, Daria, and Bevis and Butthead (Which King of the HIll came from)
That age of MTV died though. Now it went to reality shows, blah..
Ian had awesome points to be said. Mouse Clicker knows what's up too.
I also think Enya is an awesome artist. I have a lot of respect, and even though I barely listen to it.. It is such beautiful music that is soothing, sometimes you can just go to sleep easy with that. I'm always to busy listening to other music that I never really got around to Enya, so I don't know much about it. My mom and sister listen to it all the time though, and I have a lot of respect.
Off the subject, but talking bout shows.. Anyone like The Critic?
Post by: DarkSyphor on February 09, 2004, 08:49:28 PM
(right now im nodding my head in shame and pity for all the stupid things i wrote and not knowing Enya)
and Metaphysical Spirit i really like the critic
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 10, 2004, 02:31:06 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on February 10, 2004, 03:41:05 AM
Post by: Metaphysical Spirit on February 10, 2004, 07:48:19 AM
Post by: Oldskool on February 10, 2004, 08:10:29 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 10, 2004, 12:48:37 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 10, 2004, 01:26:51 PM
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I like Mario Party 4... ;_____;
I like it, too, booksquirm is awesome, but that's all he ever wants to play. It's crazy.
I don't tend to be too fond of "soothing" music. I fall asleep to loud music, usually, and. . . I dunno. It's not that I don't like music that isn't really hard (I'm listening to "In the Morning of the Magician" by the Flaming Lips right now, a pretty slow song). It's just that when I listen to music, that's pretty much all I do. Listen and think (often relating the two). Enya is okay sometimes, but generally only rock can keep my interest.
I'll only listen to music that will really get me, deep down. Many popular bands don't do that, like Enya, the Beatles (they screwed up one of their only good songs big-time), and many mo'. I'm not sure why. Nirvana, Beck, TMBG, Misfits, Poe, and many others do. Go figure. Who knows why? It's a matter of instinctive taste.
I do like Enya's song "Wild Child", though. That one's cool with me.
