Post by: dus on December 23, 2003, 05:21:35 PM
Think about it? No, seriously, do. Nintendo released the Game Boy Adavance SP in February (of 2003), and although a backlit handheld was greatly needed, why did they really do it? I hope it was to just please fans (and make a few grand while doing it). But this pattern of short-lived consoles reminds me far too much of Sega's last console days. Hurrying of software, and closing third parties. The Dreamcast's dwindling third-party lineup was definietely sharper and more obvious than Nintendo's, but still. The N64 lost virtually all third-party support by 1999 (much faster than GCN's slow drainage) and the GCN will probably follow suit.
So what does Nintendo do? Release an new system, and most likely the same problem will occur. But there is a very good chance that because of it's early launch it'll get a great head start on the competition. Let's all hope and, well, hope that Nintendo will not repeat it's patterns (as far as sales go, not quality and morals).
-Dustin O'Neal
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2003, 05:24:32 PM
Post by: Berny on December 23, 2003, 05:26:58 PM
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Mario
Post by: Gibdo Master on December 23, 2003, 05:29:57 PM
You also realize that Nintendo is coming out with a new console because Sony and Microsoft are too, right? Besides we really don't know when they are releasing a new console. All we know is that they want to release their's with everyone else's. I really don't see that as desperation but rather just staying competitive.
Post by: CardBoardBox on December 23, 2003, 05:31:03 PM
Post by: dus on December 23, 2003, 05:33:23 PM
But yeah, I was just saying that this early release of a next-gen console is really fast, right? I mean, I am not in the mood to dish out another $300+ for a new console and games. But still, remember Sega? Then again, they WERE in desperation mode!!
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2003, 05:36:52 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on December 23, 2003, 05:40:17 PM
Post by: savanna03 on December 23, 2003, 05:47:30 PM
being different doesn't save u from a deep hole... if they want to introduce new kind of product... they better get the casual first to commit on ur system then introduce the quirky titles cuz quirky titles doesnt lure casual gamers. lure the casual gamers by building a set top box then ur in business... ahhhhhhh who am i kidding they dont even listen to the fans...
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 23, 2003, 05:52:46 PM
If Nintendo had their way, we'd still be playing the NES- I don't mean that in a bad way, but the only reason Nintendo released the SNES was because Sega was gaining ground with the Genesis.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2003, 05:54:41 PM
Post by: savanna03 on December 23, 2003, 05:58:39 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on December 23, 2003, 06:02:52 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2003, 06:03:45 PM
Oh, and I thought it was really clever how you turned around that thing I did to you. You know, I said mister then put your sig in quotes, and you did the same thing, except with my sig! Really witty! I mean, how did you ever think of it. . . pure genius. Do you do stand-up, because you are really good at this sort of thing. Really. That's so clever!
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2003, 06:08:41 PM
This thread will be locked.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2003, 06:12:51 PM
Sorry, Mario. I'll let you cut in next time.
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2003, 06:15:02 PM
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Post by: Shadow Fox on December 23, 2003, 06:15:22 PM
QuoteHillarious.
Originally posted by: Mario
No.
In fact, I'm bookmarking this thread for the sole purpose of laughing as hard as I am now typing this response, every time I read it again...LMAO!!!
Mario, you are the truth.
-Official Ninja of PGC
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2003, 06:17:08 PM
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It's cool, you can join the sarcasm squad.
Thanks. I'm honored.
No sarcasm there. Really. I'm serious, no joke. I'm truly honored. Really!
Post by: savanna03 on December 23, 2003, 06:17:56 PM
ohh, if u like that clever remark, then u should have thank urself 'cuz u thought of it first... beside thinking of being sarcastic will get u laugh, well u probably dont have many friends...
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 23, 2003, 06:21:02 PM
Post by: savanna03 on December 23, 2003, 06:29:45 PM
Post by: Shadow Fox on December 23, 2003, 06:48:49 PM
QuoteSo let me get this straight- you think Xbox and PS2 were "fan's input", when MS had to IMMEDIATELY do away with the "Duke" (also known as the Unicron controller) pad and Sony STILL has you buying MULTITAPS for 3+ player games?
Originally posted by: savanna03
ohh okay... u got a point... but games isn't what im talking about... im talking about the system... if u look at my past post history, ive only been critical to NINTENDO system, not games but the system... if they would have listen that strictly for gaming machine isn't the future, they wouldn't have been struggling for 2nd place... xbox is a good system except for a controller that is... who would have thought that hard drive is a good idea... it was fans input... playstion is a good example too...
ohh, if u like that clever remark, then u should have thank urself 'cuz u thought of it first... beside thinking of being sarcastic will get u laugh, well u probably dont have many friends...
Right, kid. Next, please...
-Official Ninja of PGC
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 23, 2003, 06:54:07 PM
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and Sony STILL has you buying MULTITAPS for 3+ player games?
You know why Sony only has two controller ports, right? They claim that "multiplayer gaming isn't that popular". Of course, even if we completely ignore the success of multiplayer games on the Gamecube and XBox (hell, their respective bestselling games are VERY popular in multiplayer circles), the reason multiplayer games aren't popular on the PSX/PS2 is because they only have two friggin controller ports- it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, if you know what I mean.
Post by: Chongman on December 23, 2003, 07:11:45 PM
Ok, I'm a new member of the pgc forums (which u can tell by my icon which is probably too big). In any case, I've beev reading this stuff for weeks, and here, finally, I've become to fed up to just read and wait for my heroes mouseclicker and mario to prove you ppl wrong in some way. So here I am, and I open my first post with an insult.
You're an idiot.
First and foremost. Look, nintendo in "desperation mode" just cuz they've lost a lil bit of money?
puh-leaze.
seriously. I'm not going to draw the "first time they've had a loss in so an so crap years" cuz that really doesn't matter. the point is they're losing money NOW right? I acknowledge that. While I wont play that overplayed card, i will state that microsoft is losing a WHOLE lot of more money.
Desperation mode? What, you kiddin me? You think they're in desperation mode cuz they've pushed forward some new products and plan to do so again this spring? You think they're in desperation mode cuz they've been advertising better, cuz their strategic price cut has given them such a gigantic boost? You think they're in desperation mode cuz they have SO many great games scheduled for 2004? Seriously? You wants that I should list them, damn straight I will.
Are you serious kid? I can't believe the words I'm reading here.
I can't conceive why in the world people always criticize the cube while comparing it to other consoles but never compare other console criticism with the cube. PS2 stands aside cuz face it, whether we like it or not it's whipping everything in sight (though the rush is started to slow down).
Everyone always compares the cube to the xbox but never the xbox to the cube. Frankly it pisses me off. You talk about nintendo losing money. Take one glance at microsoft. Losing soooooo much every second. The practically PAY the consumer to buy their product. Every xbox is money out of bill gate's pocket. People point this out from time to time but not as often as they screech like little girls being raped,
"Oooh! Oooh! Nintendo lost some money! Oooh! Downhill streak! Rape me please!"
So you say, heck it doesn't matter. That gates fellow, he's got more money then hicks have cousins. BUT SO DOES NINTENDO. Really, if nintendo wanted to, they could unlock their vaults and just spend,spend, spend, pushing everything they have, every last penny in every case possible to bribe ever 3rd partier, to build the ultimate money wasting machine, to advertise so much you'll have nintendo flyers coming out of your ass. THAT my friend, would be a desperation mode. And its kind of what microsoft is doing.
Am I saying xbox is in a "desperation mode"? By no means. Microsoft just has such a vast amount of money, they can keep spending like this in hopes that their xbox just might make a profit. This isn't desperation. Its just totalitarian greediness. They're main weapon is a checkbook, and it sure does seem to be sending xbox flyers up our asses.
Nintendo is just much, MUCH more smarter, and also very stupid at the exact same time. They try to make a profit as much as possible while putting out as much quality as possible. That is the beauty that is nintendo. And while they are kind of hardasses when it comes to spending, it seems like they're finally loosening up and it's actualy paying off. advertising is much better. could it improve? you betcha. 3rd party support is awesome compared to cube launchtime. could it improve? of course!
Will it?
Damn staight.
Desperation mode my ass....
Post by: savanna03 on December 23, 2003, 07:13:08 PM
Right, kid. Next, please..."
wow... u seem confident about ur statement, u really know what going on eh... i know that PLAYSTATION was a bad example but think about it, if it sells why fix it, and why did it sells, cuz the fans like it, and that is what i meant for the input by the way... unlike NINTENDO who seems to stay away what made PLAYSTATION popular.
oh for the XBOX thingie by the way, i remember reading it in the EGM or (was it in the one of the dead magazine, u know where MATT from IGN has a column every issue about the DOLPHIN... if u know what i meant, just holla) NEXT GENERATION i think??? about the MAKING OF THE XBOX and the ppl from the MICROSOFT has to conduct a survey and researches on how they would make a system and they had to interview alot of ppl... they actually went to ppl houses u know... i know that HD was one of the suggestion and the breaking the cord thingie was one of them... if u tell me that XBOX isn't a good machine, then ur lying...
but what the point of this argument cuz we really dont know whats going on behind the scene, i just based this on what i read from previous article... by the way im no kid and chongman is right... the reason ppl are so hard on NINTENDO because they got no other business to back them up... if they loose this, they will end up like ATARI and SEGA... i know they are improving on things and changes doesn't happen right away but i just hope that it isn't too late cuz i dont want the REALEST to go while the FAKERS dominate...
Post by: Chongman on December 23, 2003, 07:19:58 PM
xbox in my view isn't a good machine. mainly cuz it seems like they slapped together anything they could get that would look or sound "mature and manly" and it just doesn't seem well thought out.
oh heck, yeah it can do a lot of stuff. and perhaps microsoft really did try as hard as you say. and yes the hardware can produce enough pixels its ridiculous. it just wasn't...executed right.
xbox is a good machine in some rights...but not cuz microsoft made it a good machine, but because developers graced it with games worth playing.
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 23, 2003, 07:21:55 PM
It's a great icon, though, chongman- I'll resize it for you, if you want. Can't slight anyone for liking the ebst comic strip of all time.
Post by: akdaman1 on December 23, 2003, 07:48:25 PM
Alright , TBH I think Microsoft ruined thier chances of going head to head with the GCN from day 1. The production value is too high and they are losing too much money from it. But I would be stupid to not state how good thier advertising campaign is ...I mean I see people talking about the Xbox on the news.
Is Nintendo in desperation mode ? Puh-lease
They are not struggling for 2nd place. They are now far and away from Xbox. If they continue thier little role then you might end up seeing the GCN head to head with the PS2.
P.S - Santana ( forgot your name ) , If you are so old and mature ( like you are stating ) then at least add CAPITALS at the start of you sentences , also at least try to spell at an 2nd grade level.
P.S.S - If you were to go to www..gamecubeland.com you will find an article stating
BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY CONFIRMED !!! for the N5.
Post by: cheers69 on December 23, 2003, 09:24:02 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on December 23, 2003, 10:04:27 PM
