Post by: teckmoney on December 11, 2003, 04:47:35 PM
Post by: jasonditz on December 11, 2003, 04:52:48 PM
Post by: Polemistis on December 11, 2003, 06:31:57 PM
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nintendo HAS to be hurting.
Nintendo has lots of ca$h.
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 11, 2003, 06:46:30 PM
Post by: yellowfellow on December 11, 2003, 07:15:24 PM
Post by: teckmoney on December 11, 2003, 07:24:02 PM
Post by: teckmoney on December 11, 2003, 07:33:35 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 11, 2003, 07:52:29 PM
and the money the lost was made up when they got rid of the units...Gamecubes are hella cheap to make....especially now that they've switched to chinese manufacturing. They are probably still making a big profit
. Also the more gamecubes they sell the less it costs to make their hardware...Nintendo is far from in the whole. I am really upset about how people who dont understand the industry at all flap their mouths like little trolls and just spread bullshit. Nintendo is not at all like Sega as far as their business decisions go...so quit comparing. The only thing they were similar at was making Quality games unlike their competitors...and sega hasnt done that lately...save F-zero. So i guess the philosophy for being cool and making money for retards is make shitty games like the competitors?
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 11, 2003, 08:28:13 PM
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Originally posted by: teckmoney
continuing operations and accepting continuous losses...how can that be good? Thats what happened to sega! lack of 3rd party support for its system!
Yep. Nintendo doesn't have support from giants like Konami, Square, Capcom, EA, Bandai or.... oh wait. That's Xbox.
A small loss of money in a 4 month period preceeded by continuous profits for 20 years does NOT make continuous losses as you put it. If you want to see continuous loss, go look at how much money the Xbox has made Microsoft.
Post by: Gibdo Master on December 11, 2003, 09:06:56 PM
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continuing operations and accepting continuous losses...how can that be good?
Why don't you ask Microsoft. They know a lot more about that than Nintendo.
Post by: teckmoney on December 12, 2003, 03:19:39 AM
Post by: Oogle on December 12, 2003, 04:33:47 AM
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/annual_report.jsp
Look at net income for the end of March and June. Posting a loss doesn't necessarily mean they owe money. Far from it. It means they made less money than before. They made 67 billion yen by end of March. They made 11 billion yen by end of June. That's considered a 56 billion yen loss. If they make more than 11 billion next quarter, that'll be considered a gain.
Post by: Kaj'oin on December 12, 2003, 04:53:19 AM
But it will get harder for them to keep turning those huge profits as the total Nintendo users base will drop again as it did with the N64 (30m) GameCube will find it very hard even match that, as it stands now GameCube should be on 12-14m it needs to double by the end of 2005.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 12, 2003, 05:09:51 AM
The loss Microsoft has gotten from XBox doesn't make the XBox better, in fact this just shows how much they thought that through. The XBox is many times more expensive to make than the Gamecube, yet only minimally more powerful. While Nintendo wanted a good device they can produce cheaply, Microsoft just added all technology that seemed promising at the time without looking at the bottom line. If they don't change that attitude next time through they will have another money-sucking black hole. And you can be sure if that happens, MS will pull the plug on their console department. They might have deep pockets that refill faster than they drain, but a department losing a billion a year does not look good on the resume. They'd rather use that money on fighting Linux, which poses a lot more threat to MS than some console maker.
Post by: Oogle on December 12, 2003, 05:54:12 AM
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They might have deep pockets that refill faster than they drain, but a department losing a billion a year does not look good on the resume.
Judging from Microsoft's Home and Entertainment division, it looks as though MS has made gains from its previous year. No extravagent losses here, either.
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY03/earn_rel_q4_03.mspx#Channel
Nintendo and MS both look comfortably in the black (i.e. they're making $$$) when it comes to the video game industry. People just put added spin in editorials and forum posts to make it seem like they are going to die any second now.
Post by: yellowfellow on December 12, 2003, 06:51:32 AM
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continuing operations and accepting continuous losses...how can that be good?
well judging from nintendo's annual statement a loss was posted in net earnings from 2002 to 2003 however, operating expenses were reduced throughout the year such that the overall operating income didnot decrease too much. just a clarification, NCL did not post a loss this fiscal year. when looking at previous years annual reports, net gains were recorded leading up to and including this year. by loss, it is seen that NCL had a lower overall net earnings from the previous fiscal year. also, keep in mind NCL's fiscal year end is march 31, so none of the reports will include sales since the recent price drop.
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Nintendo has lots of ca$h.
true, nintendo does have a fair amount of money in surplus (748 650 million yen worth). interesting though is that they are not highly dependent on creditors. a simple debt to total assets ratio analysis will give to a value of $0.18. while, current ratio sits at $5.21; NCL is highly liquid. additionally their retained earnings increased by 45 530 million yen (around $421 196 019 USD) during the year, and after declaring and paying cash dividends of 21 248 million yen.
it will be interesting to see how these numbers have increased since the price drop and after the holiday "spendathon" season. i don't believe the price drop has affected the gross margin too much seeing as how prior to the drop, cost of goods sold was sitting at around 62% of total revenues.
Post by: joeamis on December 12, 2003, 07:56:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
MOTHER @%$#!
Q: If I have three chickens and I eat two, how many chickens do I have left?
A: GET THE $#&@ OUT OF MY CHICKEN COOP!
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easy, you have 3 chickens left
Post by: yellowfellow on December 12, 2003, 07:56:15 AM
"Operating loss for fiscal 2003 increased 6% from the prior year as the product costs associated with the increased Xbox console sales and increased marketing expense more than offset the 12% increase in revenue."
"Cost of revenue in fiscal 2002 was $5.19 billion compared to $3.46 billion in fiscal 2001. The increase as a percentage of revenue in fiscal 2002 was due to an increase of 5.3 percentage points from Home and Entertainment primarily due to costs related to Xbox, partially offset by a 0.7 percentage point decrease due to a higher mix of revenue from licensing business"
source: Microsoft 2003 Annual report www.microsoft.com/msft/ar03/default.htm
overall (as stated by KDR_11k) home and entertainmetn division posted a loss of $924 million USD
Post by: teckmoney on December 12, 2003, 08:10:35 AM
After playing zelda i need to spill some virtual blood : )
Post by: thecubedcanuck on December 12, 2003, 08:49:09 AM
there are numerous Gamecube games that spill virtual blood, this just shows that you really havent looked at all.
Post by: ghostVi on December 12, 2003, 08:51:11 AM
Just kidding, go there and ask for game recommendations.On topic : Nintendo doesn't "keep up with the high rollers of the game console industry", they ARE the high rollers in this industry, and what they need to keep up with is their own image of being the best out there. Not that this is an easy task.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on December 12, 2003, 10:40:47 AM
Post by: jasonditz on December 12, 2003, 11:11:19 AM
Somebody wants to play GTA and is mad its not available on the cube... ho hum.
Post by: Smashman on December 12, 2003, 11:32:20 AM
I have had SO much fun playing SSBM, F-Zero GX, Ikaruga, Metroid Prime, Wind Waker, and Viewtiful Joe that they will ALL be memorable classics I will remember for the rest of my life.
Nintendo ARE the high rollers of the gaming industry, as ghostVi said.
Post by: Jdub03 on December 12, 2003, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: teckmoney on December 12, 2003, 01:20:34 PM
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Post by: mouse_clicker on December 12, 2003, 01:55:43 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2003, 02:05:07 PM
That deserves a big, "WTF!?" I haven't seen a single intelligent comment yet...
*sigh*
Post by: Mario on December 12, 2003, 02:05:46 PM
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Why hasn't this been locked yet? It's flame-bait if I've ever seen it.
And look how many people took the bait
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 12, 2003, 02:08:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 12, 2003, 02:10:16 PM
Post by: mario mario on December 12, 2003, 02:42:18 PM
A game that I would like to bring up that is now considered to be old, infact runs better on the Gamecube than the other two consoles. The game i'm talking about is James Bond: Agent Under Fire. When you start a multiplayer game it takes the playstation 14 seconds to load it up, the x-box takes 12 seconds to load up and the Gamecube takes an amazing 4 seconds!!!!!! If anybody is wondering I got this information when I use to be an IGN-Insider member. I didn't pay of course somebody gave me their password
This just goes to prove that gamecube runs just as well as the other consoles, actually it runs better!!!!!!
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 12, 2003, 02:58:13 PM
Regarding the original post, of course.
Post by: teckmoney on December 12, 2003, 03:05:40 PM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 12, 2003, 05:16:29 PM
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Originally posted by: mario mario
Ok here is an intelligent comment.
A game that I would like to bring up that is now considered to be old, infact runs better on the Gamecube than the other two consoles. The game i'm talking about is James Bond: Agent Under Fire. When you start a multiplayer game it takes the playstation 14 seconds to load it up, the x-box takes 12 seconds to load up and the Gamecube takes an amazing 4 seconds!!!!!! If anybody is wondering I got this information when I use to be an IGN-Insider member. I didn't pay of course somebody gave me their password
This just goes to prove that gamecube runs just as well as the other consoles, actually it runs better!!!!!!
That's true, but most ports cannot show the power of the X-Box or GameCube since they are PS2 ports, and they are usually not optimized. Rogue Leader is a fantastic testament to the GameCube's power. It is pushing 15 million polygons a second, and not even the X-Box has done that yet in a game. Furthermore, it's impressive that Factor 5 can tap into such power in 9 months with the GameCube, while developers working for years with PS2 and X-Box hardware might not achieve what Factor 5 did with Rogue Leader.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 12, 2003, 05:23:07 PM
And never trust someone with monkey in their name. . . unless infernal is in it, too. Nevermind.
Post by: mario mario on December 12, 2003, 06:06:17 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 13, 2003, 12:15:19 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on December 13, 2003, 02:24:40 AM
I am a hugh fan of the GTA series, everyone here knows that. With that being said, TRUE CRIME IS F"ING BRUTAL.
It is nothing more than a half assed GTA style clone, with horrific load times, the worst draw distance I have ever seen (I love it when a stop sign pops up when I am inches away only), and slow downs that are so bad that the game becomes virtually unplayable, and please dont even get me started on the f'in zombies.
If you like this game as much as you say then you truly are an idiot.
And before you ask, yes I have played it on both the cube and the x-box, because I was curious to see if the cube just got a crappy port, and nope, they both suck.
Post by: ghostVi on December 13, 2003, 08:10:45 AM
(Wow, only two words corrected by the spell checker, I'm getting better hehe)
Post by: joeamis on December 14, 2003, 05:17:02 PM
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Originally posted by: mario mario
Ok here is an intelligent comment.
A game that I would like to bring up that is now considered to be old, infact runs better on the Gamecube than the other two consoles. The game i'm talking about is James Bond: Agent Under Fire. When you start a multiplayer game it takes the playstation 14 seconds to load it up, the x-box takes 12 seconds to load up and the Gamecube takes an amazing 4 seconds!!!!!! If anybody is wondering I got this information when I use to be an IGN-Insider member. I didn't pay of course somebody gave me their password
This just goes to prove that gamecube runs just as well as the other consoles, actually it runs better!!!!!!
that has alot to do with the GC using mini-dvd discs, although the texture compression the GC utilizes helps, so yea but it's not simply the GC machine it's also due to the format used for the discs. however, that all means Nintendo was smart in the design of the cube
Post by: teckmoney on December 14, 2003, 07:09:39 PM
Xbox has more content, high resolution textures, higher polygon models...
Hostile Creation "And never trust someone with monkey in their name. . . unless infernal is in it, too. Nevermind. "
It's Teckmoney...learn to read...could be the reason why your vision is skewed.
thecubedcanuck -- True Crime is entertaining. Sure the load times get annoying but its a fun game and the cut scenes are funny as hell. I'm sorry, but i didnt like GTA...hate to disappoint you all.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 14, 2003, 07:17:37 PM
Huh? Where?
Post by: mario mario on December 14, 2003, 08:48:07 PM
And that's why I own a Gamecube
Post by: Zeth on December 14, 2003, 10:25:55 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 15, 2003, 06:21:45 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 15, 2003, 08:39:49 AM
Darc Requiem
Post by: teckmoney on December 15, 2003, 03:26:04 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on December 15, 2003, 03:29:28 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 15, 2003, 03:33:06 PM
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It's Teckmoney...learn to read...could be the reason why your vision is skewed.
Damn, you're right. I feel so stupid for having mistook the absence of one letter, completely ignore the fact that I had "nevermind" at the end. Oh jeez, I feel like such a kiddy stupid illiterate moron. I think I'll go slit my wrists and join the Xbox zombies now and play True Crime because it's got a better framerate or something. Bye guys, I'm cool now.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2003, 03:41:36 PM
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Originally posted by: teckmoney
"Xbox has more content"
Post by: Mario on December 15, 2003, 03:47:32 PM
Nintedno will never b succsful coz dey need online and hard drive to be successflul lol get with te times nintendo n stop rehashinh zelda and mario
Where am i going with this? To another topic. (what the hell was the point of this post o_O)
Post by: Majexto on December 15, 2003, 04:16:50 PM
Also on those charts there for microsoft I think youre forgetting that microsoft is going down, occaisonly you will see things on the media about microsoft. The state of i believe massachusetts, one of the states north east has just went completely open source for all of there pc's, wait is the microsoft? Nooooo. Also microsoft was recently or was atleest going to be fined 3,000,000,000 dollars, wow. It had to do with some sort of world trading laws that they violated. So dont just look at there charts, thats revenue that doesnt count all the stuff they get tagged for.
Gamecube has been probably the most successful gaming company ever to exist. Also as said, dont forget the GBA SP. Most succesfull handheld gaming system to ever exist.
Post by: Berny on December 15, 2003, 04:24:05 PM
Also, Gamecube is not a gaming company. Nintendo is, but you are right. They are also the only gaming company. Unless Sony Computer Entertainment is considered a gaming company. I don't consider it to be since it's Sony's child.
Finally, how could GBA SP NOT be the best? The GBA wiped out all competition 2 years ago. (I don't mean to sound rude. I am happy that the GBA SP is doing so well.)
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 15, 2003, 04:50:27 PM
Post by: teckmoney on December 15, 2003, 08:18:50 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on December 16, 2003, 05:40:50 AM
