Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: codyy on December 07, 2003, 07:50:32 AM
Title: GCN out of the Race?
Post by: codyy on December 07, 2003, 07:50:32 AM
Here is a comment from John Davison in the 12/5/03 of 1up.com Thinking out loud:
"Hopefully, as we get closer and closer to the holidays, things will start to pick up and we'll look back on this little rant as just me huffing and puffing before it was time. Speaking to game industry execs though, it's clear that these people are a little worried and that they all blame the same thing: It's all due to the rate at which systems are selling. It seems that everyone thought that the boxes would be cheaper by now. Sure, the GameCube is only $99, but they could give it away with boxes of Apple Jacks and it wouldn't help. The Cube is out of the race, and the real action is between the Xbox and the PS2. The (admittedly somewhat obvious) argument goes that if these consoles were priced at $149 (or less) instead of $179, they would be selling like the proverbial hotcakes, and games would be snapped up with them."The Cube is out of the race, and the real action is between the Xbox and the PS2.
So, What is up with that?
Title: RE:GCN out of the Race?
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 07, 2003, 08:07:06 AM
Anyone know how to hire an assassin?
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Post by: The Omen on December 07, 2003, 08:14:21 AM
Who is John Davison, and why is he so clueless?
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Post by: Koopa Troopa on December 07, 2003, 08:14:54 AM
Xbox is #3 in worldwide sales, and it was spanked by GameCube in November (in the US, one of its largest markets). Davison is a schmuck.
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Post by: AdvancedGamer on December 07, 2003, 08:19:18 AM
Daaaaaviiisooon is in the house!!! Hulk Davison is born to be wiiiilld!!
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Post by: RareWare on December 07, 2003, 08:24:20 AM
Nah, I don't think its out of the race totally, Just old for 1st place sadly. Thinking Out Loud used to be a weekly newsletter from Gamers.com. Davidson's always done it, don't know really who he is though. Sounds like the sponsers talking to me.....
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Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2003, 08:29:27 AM
AG: Thanks, I didn't understand the first word in the game...
Sorry, but if there ever was a race between XBox and PS2 the former is out for more than a year by now. Neither MS nor N will ever catch up with Sony this generation, however N and MS are close and the balance can shift any time between the two.
I don't know why this idiot claims noone bought the cube, the uptake after the pricedrop was phenomenal.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on December 07, 2003, 08:42:38 AM
I'm serious. Does anyone know somebody that does that?
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Post by: ib2kool4u912 on December 07, 2003, 09:29:01 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Hostile Creation Anyone know how to hire an assassin?
I'm looking for some money right now for the holidays...... anyone know where he lives? *cocks shotguns*
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 07, 2003, 09:31:32 AM
I do.
It's 10-grand a-head.
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Post by: Polemistis on December 07, 2003, 10:53:47 AM
**** this guy. Of the Gamecube, Xbox, and PS2, the cube is in second place. Xbox is probably done after the next generation due to lack of good games. All those other new consoles, excluding PS3 and N5, will go down the drain. He probably hates Nintendo, or gets paid to say that.
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on December 07, 2003, 11:28:53 AM
Guess he missed this....
Black Friday was very, very good to Nintendo.
NINTENDO GAMECUBE HITS NO. 1
Combines with Game Boy Advance to Sell More Than 1 Million Systems During Thanksgiving Week
REDMOND, Wash., Dec. 2, 2003 – After rocketing up the charts the past several weeks, the Nintendo GameCube™ has now reached No. 1 – it's America's top-selling home video game console, according to direct sales data from the nation's leading retailers. Nintendo GameCube sold more than half a million systems to consumers during Thanksgiving week, easily surpassing its console competitors. Among all game devices, it trailed only Nintendo's portable Game Boy® Advance, which sold almost 600,000 units to U.S. buyers during the week.
"All along, our business plan for this year was to maximize consumer interest and sales during the fourth quarter," says George Harrison, Nintendo of America's senior vice president of marketing and corporate communications. "But frankly, we're overwhelmed by how successful we've been. Our price cut of Nintendo GameCube has ignited sales to the degree that it may turn out to be the best-selling console for the entire month of November. We're tracking to sell more systems in the last eight weeks of the year than we did in the previous 10 months combined."
Nintendo GameCube went from No. 3 to No. 1 in just two months, evidence that the Sept. 25 price drop to an MSRP of $99.99 and the hot new games were just what the public wanted. The library of games available for Nintendo GameCube now stands at more than 320, including America's current hottest game, Mario Kart®: Double Dash™ exclusively for Nintendo GameCube, role-playing and sports games, Pokémon titles for younger players and action and racing games for adults.
Numerous new and upcoming releases that will keep the momentum going include 1080°®: Avalanche, a shred-'em-up snowboarding game; Mario Party® 5, the ultimate party game; F-Zero® GX, the fastest racing game on the market; Mario Golf™: Toadstool Tour, a golf game that appeals equally to novices and experts; Pokémon Channel™, the first-ever Pokémon game available for Nintendo GameCube; and Final Fantasy®: Crystal Chronicles™, an upcoming role-playing game that continues the hit franchise.
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Post by: mjbd on December 07, 2003, 11:41:45 AM
Yea, most of these journalist are morons. Cube has been outselling X-box for months now, and has even out sold PS2 last week. Nintendo istn going to sell more Cubes than PS2's this generation, but X-box is the one in trouble. GameCube is selling fairly well in Japan, way better than X-box. Before recently, it was neck and neck between Cube and X-box in the US and Europe, but now Cube sales have pulled away in terms of sales. Not only that, but Microsoft hasnt made any money from the X-box, and their losses are incredible. I dont see Sony loseing its spot at the top anytime soon, but nintendo is going to sit comfortably in second. Investors will only put up with losses for so long, if X-box never comes out of the hole this genration, the odds of releasing a successor will dwindle.
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Post by: AERO on December 07, 2003, 11:50:23 AM
I think he was look at the bigger picture like attach rate and sale of games. Were money is made.
But if we wanna look at units sold, then yes you are right.
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on December 07, 2003, 11:53:13 AM
So basically he is saying that Mario Kart, and basically every hit that nintendo has pulled off lately is a fluke? Give me a break.
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Post by: joshnickerson on December 07, 2003, 12:38:26 PM
Oh, no, a guy I don't know who writes for some website I never heard of is dissing the cube!
What else is new? Who cares what this idiot thinks?
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Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 07, 2003, 12:49:12 PM
It's every X-Box and PS2 fanboy's dream that Nintendo will appear on their systems, thus make their kiddy games cool again. That's why all of them predict Nintendo will fail.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on December 07, 2003, 02:00:37 PM
they all want Nintendo to fail, then it's gonna be 'OMG Nintendo! Come to our system! We love you and your games so much!' I bet Nintendo will create nuclear weapons before they turn 3rd party and make games for Sony and MS.
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Post by: Munky on December 07, 2003, 03:35:10 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Professional 666 I do.
It's 10-grand a-head.
Jules, why are your prices so low?
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Post by: yellowfellow on December 07, 2003, 03:50:30 PM
just goes to show how important image is in todays marketing world
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 07, 2003, 05:30:27 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Munky
Quote Originally posted by: Professional 666 I do.
It's 10-grand a-head.
Jules, why are your prices so low?
Cuz I'm not that good.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 07, 2003, 05:48:53 PM
as a gamer i have adobted Bushido....if Nintendo wants to launch nuclear weopons at me i am willing to enjoy their fury.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 07, 2003, 07:04:53 PM
Infernal; THINKING OUT LOUD (with text) It's the Holiday season, a time when parents go buy their children computer video games for their Sony XCube 2600's. I think Xbox will 'win' because my bank account has gone up by a few thousand dollars by a strange green X. Nintendo has no chance because they have good exclusive games, Sony might come in second place, but I think Xbox will come first second and third. Xbox has a hard drive, parents will buy many units because of this. GameCube is kiddy you know, it's at $99. A sure sign that Nintendo are actually a bunch of kids. Kids are too cool these days for Nintendo. Voodoo Vince will be the best selling game this Christmas. It's rated G for 'GREAT'. And remember, GameCube is out of the race. My words will have a huge impact, you just wait. Stores will go "WHAT? THIS UNKNOWN GUY ON THE INTERNET HAS MADE A NEW FACT? OMFG"
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Post by: ThePerm on December 07, 2003, 07:49:16 PM
also only a guy who can only have sex by bribing goats would write that.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 07, 2003, 07:59:32 PM
Remember everyone, only YOU can protect goats.
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Post by: akdaman1 on December 07, 2003, 09:26:53 PM
Quote Originally posted by: ib2kool4u912
Quote Originally posted by: Hostile Creation Anyone know how to hire an assassin?
I'm looking for some money right now for the holidays...... anyone know where he lives? * cocksshotguns*
**OMG** You just swore .
* * ***Runs off to find Bloodworth***
Lol
Title: RE: GCN out of the Race?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 08, 2003, 06:58:25 AM
The one that's "out of the race" is actually the PS2 since they've already won. The real "race" is between MS and Nintendo for second place and that won't be over until the end of this generation.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on December 08, 2003, 08:58:40 AM
In terms of consoles sold yes. But profits, no. Sony is second place in profits.
We have herd of this guy before. He was the one who said Silicon Knights were no longer working for Nintendo after Eternal Darkness because they were currently working on a title for another system. (That title ended up being twin snakes for the Gamecube.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on December 08, 2003, 09:28:37 AM
once again, it all boils down to "who really gives a shiit". Why let things like this get your panties in such a knot. Anyone, and I mean anyone who can read a November sales report can see that this is garbage. I for one am real anxious to see how MS responds to large amount of cube sales as of late, because as Ian said, the real race is for second, and NIN just bought a new pair of sneakers. MS imo has to respond, and quickly before NIN pulls away to far. I know for sure the Tetris Worlds, KOTOR holiday pack isnt the answer., neither is a $99 X-box as that would be financial suicide.
I guess time will tell.
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Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 08, 2003, 10:50:21 AM
They have the Tetris Worlds and Clone Wars X-Box Bundle, with Live. They should pack in Halo or KOTOR.
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Post by: Smashman on December 08, 2003, 12:09:51 PM
What a fool.
In my opinion, I believe Nintendo, and GameCube, to be the ultimate victors of the console race. Most profit.
Also, while I only see X-Boxs games pretty much declared garbage, PS2 and GCN's games are praised. Metroid Prime... Wind Waker... SSBM... Mario Sunshine... Animal Crossing. All praised.
I would really only buy PS2 for RPGs (particularly Final Fantasy, possibly), but GameCube is getting a considerable slew of them (Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, Garmon Battle, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles). That and its massive amounts of games are the only thing, IMHO, the only thing PS2 has over GameCube.
As for X-Box. I can think of two words to describe it. Wasted potential. Microsoft bought Rare. Good move. Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Terrible game. Considerable amounts of games with potential make the system, but none, IMHO, are enough to warrant a purchase.
Just my 2 cents. I am SICK of people dissin' Cube- saying it is out of the race!
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Post by: FFantasyFX on December 08, 2003, 01:04:03 PM
For those of you wondering who John Davison is, he actually was the Editor-in-Chief for Electronic Gaming Monthly a while back. He left and became the Editor-in-Chief of the Official Playstation Magazine, I believe, although he may no longer be in that role. I'm rather shocked to see him write something so idiotic, but oh well. What can you do (besides not read the guys articles )?
I've never been to 1up.com before, but it's a surprisingly interesting website. I liked their Secret of Mana retrospective. Actually learned a thing or two and remembered a couple things that I had forgotten.
While I'm as glad as anyone to see the Cube succeeding, I think some of you may need to temper your enthusiasm somewhat. Before the price cut to $99, the Cube was trailing the XBox by about 1.3 million units in the United States. That's chump change when compared to the gap between the PS2 and the other systems, but still a pretty hefty amount to consider. October sales managed to slash the gap to 1.1 million units. November sales will surely bring that total down below one million, the only question will be by how much? Anyway, the point is that while the Gamecube is killing the XBox now, it's still behind overall in North America. I wouldn't start celebrating until Nintendo overtakes the XBox. I don't think that's possible in 2003 even with a strong holiday season, although I'll happily be proven wrong. Nintendo will still be in a good position to overtake Microsoft in 2004 if the sales trend holds up.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on December 08, 2003, 01:29:17 PM
Ah, I hate EGM. I get it, but only for the Hsu and Chan comics, and they occassionally have interesting editorials.
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Post by: Bloodworth on December 08, 2003, 07:38:17 PM