Post by: jpturner on December 02, 2003, 12:36:34 PM
I've seen the game on the Demo disk, and am okay with the idea of a third person cartoon punch out (i.e. Super Smash Bros. type of gameplay). I am concerned about other inappropriate content there might be in terms of sexual innuendo or conduct.
Thanks in advance for thoughful responses.
JT
Post by: AdvancedGamer on December 02, 2003, 01:10:05 PM
The game is the demo is the same kind of stuff you will get in the real game. My little brother is 9 and he loves this game.Post by: Ian Sane on December 02, 2003, 01:11:22 PM
It's up to you of course but if I had a 9 year old kid I would let them play that game no problem. I don't really think it deserves a T rating.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 02, 2003, 01:12:02 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2003, 01:17:11 PM
Post by: Berny on December 02, 2003, 01:39:24 PM
Post by: CaseyRyback on December 02, 2003, 02:13:04 PM
Post by: Berny on December 02, 2003, 02:29:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2003, 02:32:16 PM
Post by: jpturner on December 02, 2003, 02:58:57 PM
Post by: Renny on December 02, 2003, 03:58:07 PM
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on December 02, 2003, 04:05:12 PM
There were only two things that I saw as possibly questionable.
1. The opening attempted make out as mentioned above.
2. When you finish a level, you are rated. If you rate C it says Crappy.
I know these are minor things but I'm just trying to point out what I thought some parents might be turned off by. Also, even though it's challenging, my son still loves this game.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 02, 2003, 04:16:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
I swear Ninty pays off the ESRB to give Zelda games "E" ratings...The violence in the games beats out VJ and SSB:M, and there are some suggestive themes if you know where to look...
How so, Bill? Ocarina merited a T rating with Ganondorf choking out blood and Link stabbing him in the head at the end, but where in Wind Waker? I know about Link jumping up at the end and you know the rest of that, but that is all I can think of.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2003, 04:18:48 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 02, 2003, 04:28:03 PM
Actually, the dancer in WW strikes me as more homosexually inclined than Tingle.Zelda always seemed to be an E game. . . it'd be weird if it got a Teen rating, even if it did have about the same violent content as it does now.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2003, 04:31:23 PM
But it should really make you wonder how a game like SSB:M can get a T rating, and Zelda get an E rating...
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 02, 2003, 05:44:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Well, you caught the obvious ones... ^_^''
But it should really make you wonder how a game like SSB:M can get a T rating, and Zelda get an E rating...
Are there any more than Hostile mentioned? My favorite one in Awakening was when the kid asks where Link and Marin are going. He is suspicous they are together. He's like, "Where are you two going?"
For some reason it seemed like an innuendo.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2003, 06:11:36 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2003, 06:17:33 PM
QuoteThinking about suggestive themes in LA, how about when you go see the bear chef in the Animal village with Marin in tow?...
Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
Are there any more than Hostile mentioned? My favorite one in Awakening was when the kid asks where Link and Marin are going. He is suspicous they are together. He's like, "Where are you two going?"
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 02, 2003, 07:32:15 PM
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Originally posted by: BillQuoteThinking about suggestive themes in LA, how about when you go see the bear chef in the Animal village with Marin in tow?...
Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
Are there any more than Hostile mentioned? My favorite one in Awakening was when the kid asks where Link and Marin are going. He is suspicous they are together. He's like, "Where are you two going?"
I forgot about that. I really need to play LA again now. I like how Nintendo hides all this stuff in their alleged "kiddy" games. It's just like how Shrek appears to be only a kids movie, but there are many innuendos.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 03, 2003, 06:45:12 AM
The rating system has always been rather inconsistant. The only reason I can see why SSBM gets a T rating is because Peach is in the game and thus there's "violence against women" in the game. Almost anything with blood gets an M rating which doesn't really make that much sense since there are plenty of movies with blood in them that get PG-13 ratings. If Perfect Dark was a movie for instance it probably wouldn't get an R rating. Manhunt on the other hand would probably get an NC-17 rating. While the ratings are a good idea it's still hard to tell if a game is suitable for children. I think they should add another rating between E and T that's sort of an equivalent to PG so something like Smash Bros or Zelda could go in that category because they have some violence but are not worthy of a T rating.
Of all the Cube games I own the only one I wouldn't allow my kids to play (if I had any) is Eternal Darkness. However I don't own the Resident Evil games which I also don't feel is appropriate for kids.
Post by: nolimit19 on December 03, 2003, 08:45:10 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 03, 2003, 11:02:19 AM
Post by: yellowfellow on December 03, 2003, 11:15:42 AM
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some movies seem inconsistent to me. the first matrix seemed like a pg-13 movie, but got the r rating. then titanic had that chick hair butt naked, and it was only pg-13....
maybe its because a movie like the first matrix would trigger some independent thought alarms in children
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2003, 12:24:47 PM
Please, don't let the children explode.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 03, 2003, 12:42:06 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 03, 2003, 12:55:04 PM
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on December 03, 2003, 01:22:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Children have a tendency to explode when exposed to mature content.
Please, don't let the children explode.
I've been keeping a secret. I've told you all that I have two children. That's true, but I should have three. Before my oldest was born, we had another child who would be 12 right now if we hadn't done what we did. He was only two years old. He was having a sleepless night but my husband and I wanted to watch Pulp Fiction. We let him stay up with us while we watched it. About 3/4 of the way through the film he started acting funny. He said his head and chest hurt. I went to comfort him but he exploded before I could do anything to help. It was the most traumatic moment of my life.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2003, 01:36:42 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on December 03, 2003, 01:49:36 PM
Well, Perfect Dark was pretty bloody. There was blood all over the walls, not to mention the death animations and whatnot. It would probably be PG-13 as a movie, but the movie wouldn't have *near* as much killing as PD. I mean, PD has dozens of guys to kill per level, each with very bloody results!
Hmm.. so what other 'less obvious' innuendo are there in Zelda games? I really can't think of any.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 03, 2003, 03:40:51 PM
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He was only two years old. He was having a sleepless night but my husband and I wanted to watch Pulp Fiction. We let him stay up with us while we watched it. About 3/4 of the way through the film he started acting funny. He said his head and chest hurt. I went to comfort him but he exploded before I could do anything to help. It was the most traumatic moment of my life.
Yeah, that happened to my younger brother, who'd be two years younger than me. Would have been traumatic, except for the fact that I was only five, so I laughed.
(That was good, by the way, Ms. Pikmin. Funny
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Post by: KnowsNothing on December 03, 2003, 03:45:58 PM
Seriously, though, that was a pretty good lie, ms.pikmin.
funny ++
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 04:01:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill
I swear Ninty pays off the ESRB to give Zelda games "E" ratings...The violence in the games beats out VJ and SSB:M, and there are some suggestive themes if you know where to look...
Ok, it's pretty violent. The same as Lord of the Rings really. But where's all this hidden sex you refer to? The closest reference I can think of is Princess Ruto wanting to marry Link. She is naked though. And the women have lots of curves when he is an adult... hm. Ok I gotcha.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2003, 04:21:01 PM
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on December 03, 2003, 05:51:29 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
Seriously, though, that was a pretty good lie, ms.pikmin.
I have to be a good liar. How else would I keep you guys believing I'm a woman?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2003, 05:54:06 PM
Post by: Berny on December 03, 2003, 05:55:25 PM
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 03, 2003, 07:53:30 PM
As for Melee? Why is it Teen? Ha! The real question you should ask is why is it NOT rated M?! "But UJ...why in the world would Melee be rated M? Heck it doesn't even deserve T!" Quite simple. Besides being able to nab a peek up Peach's skirt and how just plain painful some explosions can look (Not to mention Link can jam a sword in someone's head heh). This M out of nowhere comes from the fact that if you take a cruise over to Sound Test and open up Peach's selections. And, if I remember correctly, go to sounds 6-10, get you some choice sprites, a little imgination, and toss in a splash of perversion? You can make random Nintendo pr0n! Granted I'm not saying this to commit account suicide, just proving that Melee is more than deserving of it's T rating.
Disclaimer: Should any random Nintendo pr0n Flash movies pop up, UJ claims no responsibility for placing the idea in said person's head. However should a comedic clip come from this? Then bring it on! Not enough laughs in the world anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2003, 08:00:43 PM
SSB:M got a "T" for Comic Mischief and Mild Violence, not perverted sounds...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2003, 09:51:26 PM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on December 04, 2003, 12:48:26 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldShadow1
Hmm.. so what other 'less obvious' innuendo are there in Zelda games? I really can't think of any.
The guy you sell poes to as an adult in OoT mentions being able to run a 'different kind of business' if he was as handsome as Link, then chuckles.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 04, 2003, 11:46:10 AM
Seriously, though, SSB:M is no more violent than its predecessor (except of course for the fact that there's more unlockables, therefore more violent gameplay is consumed, for it is undoubtedly a larger game...but ESRB's stupid, they wouldn't notice that), which earned an E. Honestly, this is confusing.
Sort of off the topic of gaming, but have you read the "great children's novel" The Hobbit? The Master speaks of molesetation...weird, eh? So, jpturner, don't let your kid read The Hobbit. *nods head*
I think the entire idea of the ESRB is kind of stupid. Look at Japan! They're in gaming heaven, with no ESRB to be found! But...then again...they have pr0n gaming...like that one game, "Do you like Hr0ny Bunnies," where you work at a restaurant with a bunch of hr0ny women...in bunny suits...
And no, I don't know that from experience, or anything
I was watching X-Play on TechTV, and they had an episode on gaming life in Japan. It makes me wonder why we don't have an ESRB for TV shows.
Post by: vudu on December 04, 2003, 11:53:14 AM
the music industry received a nasty blow with the invention of the parental advisory sticker. many locations (namely, walmart) won't sell cds with those stickers. if you lose out on the biggest retailer in the nation, it's going to hurt sales.
Post by: Berny on December 04, 2003, 11:55:12 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on December 04, 2003, 12:11:57 PM
I've never understood that logic for lower sales. If a CD I want isn't available at Wal-Mart I, get this, BUY IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. Seriously what sort of dipsh!t wouldn't buy something because Wal-Mart doesn't carry it? And now with the popularity of the internet it makes less of a difference. If I was a musician and Wal-Mart didn't want to carry my album because of objectionable content I'd tell them to go f*ck themselves. If people want something they'll buy it regardless of where it's sold.
To attempt to get back on topic I have also noticed some of the stimulating Peach sound effects in Smash Bros. Of course an innocent child would never come to such a conclusion so that shouldn't matter. One can interpret sexual references out of anything.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on December 04, 2003, 12:15:25 PM
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Originally posted by: kingvudu
the music industry received a nasty blow with the invention of the parental advisory sticker. many locations (namely, walmart) won't sell cds with those stickers. if you lose out on the biggest retailer in the nation, it's going to hurt sales.
Actually, in some ways the stickers help sales. It will entice some people to buy the cd's.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 04, 2003, 02:43:24 PM
Post by: Anbesol on December 04, 2003, 04:55:30 PM
then again, in the city levels, there are some billboards advertising strip clubs and transsexual stuff... i doubt a 9 year old would notice it though...
Post by: GoldShadow1 on December 05, 2003, 07:26:07 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 05, 2003, 08:19:10 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 10, 2003, 12:26:14 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2003, 12:39:26 PM
(Oh yeah, by the way, Meilin(the girl in bed) is no older than 12 or 13...^_^'')
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 10, 2003, 07:41:29 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
GS1: Yes, and Sailor Moon is a harmless show for young kids...
lol funny should mention that, Have you seen Sailor Moon: The starlights saga? let's say that kids should be covering their eye's
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 10, 2003, 11:04:02 PM
Back on topic? I swear it's a wonder how some games get the ratings they do. Take SCII getting T for instance. The ladies alone can justify T but lets throw in some of the just plain painful looking moves you can pull off (I'm looking at you Mitsurugi's throws....).
Post by: KDR_11k on December 11, 2003, 08:22:01 AM
