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Title: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Masterchief on November 12, 2003, 12:09:34 PM: Thats it: Nintendo is down and out as far as I'm concerned for this Christmas. They dropped the price yes, but all of their major games this holiday season have strongly dissapointed - with the exception of Viewtiful Joe.

The biggest dissapointment thus far is Mario Cart: Double Dash on which IGN had this to say:

6.0 Presentation
Very little production value. This is very much Mario Kart 64 recreated. It gets the job done, but doesn't dazzle.

7.0 Graphics
Four-player runs at 60 frames per second -- its sweetest asset. Otherwise, just a really colorful, unique and bright title -- very much what you'd expect for Mario Kart.

6.0 Sound
Decidedly average MIDI tunes that fit the level thems, but do little to intrigue. Sound effects are offered up in effective Dolby Pro Logic II.

8.0 Gameplay
Multiplayer is its greatest achievement. Two-player Grand Prix is very entertaining and four-player versus is still a blast. Battle mode, however, has underdelivered.

7.0 Lasting Appeal
A small, predictable trail of unlockable content, but LAN support and the solid multiplayer make this a worthy one.

7.9 OVERALL
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Masterchief on November 12, 2003, 12:12:27 PM: And the reason I chose IGN for thier review is because of thier honesty and because they are un-biased. so dont flame me!!!
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2003, 12:14:34 PM: HOLY SMOKES YOU TRUST IGN!

AND YOU kAN'T SPELL, EVEN AFTER READING THE REVIEW!
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on November 12, 2003, 12:15:15 PM: IGN are actually highly overrated. I've stop caring for the site because all they are-are greedy bitches who just want everyone to get insider. Thank god there is a site like planet gamecube....
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: babble on November 12, 2003, 12:20:48 PM: First off, it's Mario Kart. Second go see this topic, you'll read all our answers to IGN:
http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=6809

And, calm yourself about Nintendo being all crapy, 'cause IGN said so...
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2003, 12:24:33 PM: I thought this guy was banned...Ty!

Now run along and go play some more ridiculously generic Halo...
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2003, 12:33:04 PM: Seriously, the best judgement (if that's possible) I think a person can draw on a game based on review article(s) only comes after reading a variety of articles, where the reputations, likes/dislikes, and frames of reference of the writer/reviewer are mindfully considered. Finally, you play the game for yourself (or play the game BEFORE reading any reviews).

You don't just evaluate the evidence (the review), you must evaluate the source as well (the reviewer).

I don't think there are any un-biased game reviews. I think certain degrees of bias is necessary to properly review games solely for a particular platform/system. But how the bias is professionally employed is a totally different matter. And IGN certainly has not measured up as a totally reliable op/ed center on numerous occassions, given my 5-year-visitor history.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Masterchief on November 12, 2003, 12:34:37 PM: Well who do you trust. Gamespot? they are full of biasedness up the wazoo. I really like how the gamespot reviews and reader reviews differ by 2 points in most cases(for xbox)
Dont look at the site that gives the highest scores out, they are usually wrong.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2003, 12:36:57 PM: The IGN review of MKDD also contradicts its recommendations (buy or not buy?) in the IGN 2003 Holiday Buyer's guide. How's that for logic?
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Masterchief on November 12, 2003, 12:40:25 PM: im not saying the game sucks, im just agreeing with the fact that it haset really changed much except for the double thing.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 12, 2003, 12:45:31 PM: Quote
im not saying the game sucks, im just agreeing with the fact that it haset really changed much except for the double thing.

Hope you remember that when Halo 2 comes out.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: VideoGamerX on November 12, 2003, 12:47:47 PM: Well, here's an idea. Go play the game and then ask yourself, "What could they have really changed?" Then consider whether it was a major change or not.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2003, 12:53:37 PM: I trust my instincts, my preferences, and I tend to trust the various points that multiple reviewers agree on. But I don't stop there. For things they don't agree on, I question whether the reviewer is being reasonable, what he/she is really looking for (what the reviewer desired to see in the game), and question if the point made is something I should be concerned about (or not).

I realize you weren't bashing the game. IGN was.

"Gamespot? they are full of biasedness up the wazoo. I really like how the gamespot reviews and reader reviews differ by 2 points in most cases(for xbox)"

????? huh? ????? Do you like biasedness or not?
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Rhoq on November 12, 2003, 01:05:25 PM: 7.9 is disappointing...but usually anything over a 7.5 from IGN is rather good.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: ghostVi on November 12, 2003, 01:13:37 PM: Never trust a site, giving just a %90 for RS3's graphics.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: yellowfellow on November 12, 2003, 01:37:59 PM: the thing is, it's a tried and established formula that works... so why fix it? IGN complained that it was too much of the same and not enough "innovation"... what the hell were they expecting? i guarentee if nintendo did decide to "innovate" IGN would be raising hell on how they destoyed an established game formula. complaining about the single player modes? jesus, mario kart has always been about the multiplayer...
the major problem is IGN has become mainstream and as a result are only concerned with the almighty dollar. everything has to be fresh and exciting and bigger to fit into the mainstream american ideal of better.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: BoboThePenguin on November 12, 2003, 01:46:22 PM: If you are not independent enough not to form an opinion and just blatlantly(sp?) trust ign and bash a game, the internet should be taken away from you by your mommy...
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: BoboThePenguin on November 12, 2003, 01:48:04 PM: Sorry for the double post but
Quote
Four-player runs at 60 frames per second -- its sweetest asset. Otherwise, just a really colorful, unique and bright title -- very much what you'd expect for Mario Kart.

WTF did they give graphics a 7.0 for?!
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: ghostVi on November 12, 2003, 01:54:38 PM: It doesn't have plastic chicks with huge boobs, you know
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: BoboThePenguin on November 12, 2003, 01:56:17 PM: Oh, well that explains everything! Thanks for the insite, only games with boobies get 10s!
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: The Omen on November 12, 2003, 02:01:32 PM: I just thought of something horrid. Didn't DOA:Xtreme V-ball get a 9.3? Thats just disgraceful. Thats it! MK sucks!
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Pale on November 12, 2003, 02:05:02 PM: MK sucks because IGN gave DOA Porn Show a better score? I hoep that was sarcasm as I'm sure it probably was.... But just in case it wasn't...don't let the freaking media tell you what is good! =P
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: ghostVi on November 12, 2003, 02:11:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: The Omen
I just thought of something horrid. Didn't DOA:Xtreme V-ball get a 9.3? Thats just disgraceful. Thats it! MK sucks!

You just got my point, but you're wrong! Just checked it, DOAXXX got 9.2 overall and...... a full 10 (?!) for it's graphics. Call me biased against xbox, but this is insane. Plastic chicks.... at least p.n.03 should have done better, but I guess one is not (plastic) enough.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2003, 02:16:57 PM: I like P.N.03. Vanessa has wonderful ASSets.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Perfect Cell on November 12, 2003, 03:09:47 PM: IGN Gave Raw 2 a score in the 9.0s... IGN is a Joke. Raw 2s development team was fired before the game was finished. Its extremly glitchy, and at times stops loading, and remains in a black screen and you have to reboot it, yet they gave it a 9.2 if im not mistaken. Gamespot gave it a score in the mid 5.0s... The Moral is Gamespot is a tad more fair with its reviews, ill wait till Gamespot does theirs.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Pikkcuber on November 12, 2003, 04:09:33 PM: OK OK dont jump to conclusions guys. just cause one guy says it stinks what about gamepro, they said its really good, i feel that were gonna get a good review from GI,because of there preview. One fat guy at ign does not determine if a game is good or not, come on dont be so narrowminded, ign is human to they arent gods over there.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Shift Key on November 12, 2003, 04:12:41 PM: The comments IGN made (I ignored the final score because "it's not an average" which basically means "we ignore all reason and give it any rating we feel like") managed to contradict themselves completely. I don't know how they did it, but well done for a pointless read.

I consider comments above numbers, but for those who want an "overall rating" for DD, have a look at www.gamerankings.com, which post reviews from all over the internet.

As for ther reviews, I say "Bring back Peer!"
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: joshnickerson on November 12, 2003, 04:33:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: Perfect Cell
IGN Gave Raw 2 a score in the 9.0s... IGN is a Joke. Raw 2s development team was fired before the game was finished. Its extremly glitchy, and at times stops loading, and remains in a black screen and you have to reboot it, yet they gave it a 9.2 if im not mistaken. Gamespot gave it a score in the mid 5.0s... The Moral is Gamespot is a tad more fair with its reviews, ill wait till Gamespot does theirs.

My friends were so looking forward to Raw 2 and after reading IGN's score, they got it... and returned it the next day.

Quote
Originally posted by: Pikkcuber
One fat guy at ign does not determine if a game is good or not, come on dont be so narrowminded, ign is human to they arent gods over there. .

It wasn't a fat guy, it was that twig of a "man" Fran, the same grinning idiot who sat during a video interview with a Nintendo head two months ago gushing over Mario Kart. Talk about a 180...

I've stopped taking IGN's scores seriously, since they tend to contradict themselves constantly in their reviews.
I'd go into more detail about how bad IGN is, but we've already been through this so many times before...
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Michael8983 on November 12, 2003, 04:38:18 PM: A 7.9 is basically an 8/10 which is a really great score and most other sites seem to be rating it higher. It's already gotten a couple of perfect scores and quite a few 9/10's. Sure, a ton of cr*p XBox games have gotten better scores on IGN but the editors at IGN Cube are just A LOT stricter with reviews and obviously sought out any little complaint they could make about the game.

BTW, it was a cheap move giving it a 7.9. Obviously that insignificant fraction of a point was knocked off just to make the score seem a lot lower than it really is. It borders on if not qualifies as irresponsible journalism. It's just misleading and there's no way IGN's review system is anywhere near complex enough to justify that score.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: StRaNgE on November 12, 2003, 04:50:29 PM: That review made no sense.
a lower score but then they go around and say how damn fun it is.
nothing seemed to be complianed about at all?

everything seemed tobe very well liked and enjoyed so why the low #'s when it sounds as if the guy loved it?

very strange...
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: The Omen on November 12, 2003, 04:55:31 PM: Quote
MK sucks because IGN gave DOA Porn Show a better score? I hoep that was sarcasm as I'm sure it probably was.... But just in case it wasn't...don't let the freaking media tell you what is good! =P

Twas sarcasm.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2003, 06:21:31 PM: http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=259D6732-4FC3-490A-B238-5DCF0FBC9CAD
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: tbickle7 on November 12, 2003, 06:21:50 PM: I wonder what IGN would have given Street Fighter II Turbo? Or let me check that . What would they have given Super Street Fighter II Turbo? I can't understand these point scores anyways. Is there really a difference between a game with a 7.9 rating and a game with an 8.0 rating? I'm not saying EGM is all that, but I like there review system. EGM's Mario Kart Double Dash review might also cheer you up a bit.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 12, 2003, 06:27:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: ThePerm
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=259D6732-4FC3-490A-B238-5DCF0FBC9CAD

LMFAO
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: WesDawg on November 12, 2003, 06:32:56 PM: You know, I wouldn't mind if they decided to change their ranking system and make it a lot harder to get a nine. In fact it would be nice if they did. If games 5 and up were worth playing and then there were actual levels of rankings between really good and really bad. They need to issue some sort of release that they're going to do it if they do though. And they need to do it across the board. Dumb as it is, rankings have an effect on the market, so if XBox games are getting 9's and 10's and GC ones are getting 7 and 8s it affects sales. Anyways, I'm now 1-day of IGN free, and it feels nice. Guess it don't matter to me anymore.
Title: RE:MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: akdaman1 on November 12, 2003, 06:51:21 PM: well all i can say is that to me...there are 3 sites i trust for reviews..PGC , C-E and gamespot...they dont rank games too high but know what they are going on about ...most of the time.
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Mario on November 12, 2003, 06:55:23 PM: I trust one person for reviews, myself! So far i give Mario Kart a ? out of 10. And i give the anticipation rating for it a 10 out of 10! Yay!
Title: RE: MC:DD OH NOES,
Post by: Bloodworth on November 12, 2003, 07:03:19 PM: This is redundant. There's plenty of talk about this already in the Mario Kart thread.