Post by: theRPGFreak on November 04, 2003, 05:57:11 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 05, 2003, 09:29:35 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 05, 2003, 09:32:30 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on November 05, 2003, 09:33:46 AM
Post by: DarkRockerX on November 05, 2003, 09:41:06 AM
Mallrats is the best, Saving Amy is alright, but I havent seen Dogma, or Jay + Silent Bob Strike Back
I'd love a game about the Clerks series. That would be great
Post by: The Omen on November 05, 2003, 09:47:03 AM
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Mallrats is the best, Saving Amy is alright, but I havent seen Dogma, or Jay + Silent Bob Strike Back
Are you crazy? Mallrats is the worse, albeit still funny, movie in the series.
1.Clerks
2.Dogma
3.CHASING Amy
4.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back(though you must see all the others first to understand all the hidden jokes in it.)
5.Mallrats
Clerks cartoon was okay, but i've been considering getting it on DVD to see all of the episodes before i formulate an opinion.
I would like a game based on Clerks somehow as well.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 05, 2003, 09:54:10 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 05, 2003, 10:30:35 AM
I've seen Mallrats, Dogma, and Clerks, but I don't have any particular ranking for them.
Post by: theRPGFreak on November 05, 2003, 11:55:52 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 05, 2003, 11:58:57 AM
The Clerks cartoon was very funny as well, although I think they only made some 11 episodes. However, I do remember hearing Kevin Smith is making a Clerks animated movie, so that's a plus.
Post by: kennyb27 on November 05, 2003, 12:19:02 PM
QuoteThose were pretty funny. I wasn't even planning on watching them until my friend forced me too, I ended up laughing the whole time though.
Did any of you see the four lost episodes? Those were the best!
Post by: Gibdo Master on November 05, 2003, 04:43:07 PM
Oh and to explain my dislike of the cartoon it's just that trying to take Clerks and turn its very adult humor into a family freindly cartoon doesn't work in my opinion.
Post by: theRPGFreak on November 06, 2003, 11:27:28 AM
However, I do remember hearing Kevin Smith is making a Clerks animated movie, so that's a plus.
Where did you hear this? Do you know the site? If you do, then that would be great!
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 11:33:48 AM
I usually don't just dream that kind of stuff up, though, so I must've of head it somewhere.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 06, 2003, 12:05:56 PM
http://www.newsaskew.com/ is kevin smith's site.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 06, 2003, 04:15:54 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 05:06:09 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Mallrats is quite easily the funniest- it goes Mallrats, then Clerks, then Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (although that was a hilarious movie). Dogma and Chasing Amy were nowhere near as funny, but then again they weren't intended to be and more than make up for it in other areas. I personally think Chasing Amy was the best made movie and Mallrats was by far the funniest.
What he said.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 05:42:23 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 05:49:02 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 05:53:11 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 06:03:18 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:05:19 PM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
i am the only person to ever see the movies and hate them. well i did like dogma because it trashed the catholic cult, but the rest.....i just flat out don't get them.
My roommate hates Quinten Tarantino (sp? way drunk) and I can accept that, although I will never understand it. I am sure you aren't the only one, although I am sure that you are the minority.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:14:03 PM
QuoteI really don't appreciate that comment...Keep your hating to yourself, thank you very much...
Originally posted by: nolimit19
well i did like dogma because it trashed the catholic cult...
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 06:14:19 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:16:13 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 06, 2003, 06:19:34 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:22:13 PM
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Originally posted by: BillQuoteI really don't appreciate that comment...Keep your hating to yourself, thank you very much...
Originally posted by: nolimit19
well i did like dogma because it trashed the catholic cult...
I must add this disclaimer, as I recognize that I am too drunk to be posting. *PLEASE DON'T HATE ME TOMORROW*
But I have to agree with nolimit's original statement here. I used to have a friend who was very christian (I miss her), and she would always have a good argument with me whenever we spoke of such things. I practically begged her to watch Dogma, and I got her to agree, but under conditions (I forget what it was). Dogma presented Christianity as an IDEA that got blown way out of proportion by human nature. I think that that's the most rational explanation for what happened all those years ago.
Goddamn I hate being a rational drunk. I still think like I do when sober, but I am more likely to say things I would rather keep my mouth shut about when sober. Even worse, I know what I am doing. PLEASE don't hold this against me.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:23:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:24:46 PM
The Catholicism that was "smashed" in Dogma was that of the Roman Catholic Church, which I think really needs to go...Here in the U.S., we Catholics tend to be a lot more leniant on a lot of issues, especially myself. I don't approve of the point of a Pope, I think Pastors should be able to marry, girls should be able to alter-serve(which we practice at our church), and I don't approve of the Vatican's highly biased opinion on homosexuality...Remember, we Catholics aren't all like those at the Vatican...
Sorry for going off-topic...
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:31:42 PM
edit: is it true that the guy who made the movie is a catholic?
Post by: The Omen on November 06, 2003, 06:37:13 PM
Being a Jersey boy, i just relate a lot to Clerks, with the One stop shop, the arguing going on during their hockey game, its just all so real.And Quentin Tarantino is great. But a lot of people just repeat what they here somebody else say. I've heard people say hes the greatest director, yet they've never seen Reservoir dogs. Of the last 20 years, he's certainly in the top 5 , as far as influence.
Post by: The Omen on November 06, 2003, 06:43:18 PM
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the only problem i have with the catholic church is its deal with having to talk to a priest for forgiveness.....and the idea that pope is gods mouth piece on earth....strait blasphamy.
edit: is it true that the guy who made the movie is a catholic?
I'm catholic, and i dont ask any priest for forgiveness. See, its not hard
But we really don't want to get into this subject so....Kevin Smith is catholic. But if you followed the movie, you'd see , although on the surface it appears very negative, there is positivity hidden underneath. He's said as much in recent interviews. He's also said he wasnt making a statement, and people who look at a movie with a giant sh!t monster in it , and try and interpret the message, are a little off the mark.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:43:30 PM
what about.....tim burton
james cameron
woody allen
oliver stone
steven spielberg
well maybe your right
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:47:28 PM
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Originally posted by: The OmenQuote
the only problem i have with the catholic church is its deal with having to talk to a priest for forgiveness.....and the idea that pope is gods mouth piece on earth....strait blasphamy.
edit: is it true that the guy who made the movie is a catholic?
I'm catholic, and i dont ask any priest for forgiveness. See, its not hard
Kevin Smith is catholic. But if you followed the movie, you'd see , although on the surface it appears very negative, there is positivity hidden underneath. He's said as much in recent interviews. He's also said he wasnt making a statement, and people who look at a movie with a giant sh!t monster in it , and try and interpret the message, are a little off the mark.
What I interpretted the movie as was his opinion: (sorry, I know that didn't make sense)
Catholicism is not entirely flawed, and is right in principle. It is completely wrong in its interpretation.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:51:02 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 06, 2003, 06:53:20 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 06:57:41 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 07:02:21 PM
Protestants don't believe in the intercessory role of saints, Catholics do...
Protestants don't believe in a "head of the church," Catholics do(though I don't)
Protestants believe that the act of Communion is a memorial, Catholics believe the bread and wine actually becomes the body and blood of Christ
The Sacraments: Catholics believe in Baptism, the Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, and the Anointing of the Sick...Protestants only believe in Confirmation and Baptism...
Catholics believe in Purgatory, Protestants believe you go straight to heaven...(I take purgatory to be more of a figurative thing...If you've seen Cowboy Bebop: The Movie, that pretty much explains my belief of purgatory
)Catholics believe in Immaculate Conception(Mary was born without sin), Protestants do not
Protestants accept only the Bible alone as their main rule of faith, Catholics take it as one of the major ones(though not the Bible by itself)
That's your religion lesson for the day...
(and I would just like to add: It is INCREDIBLY rare that you'll find someone who believes every little piece of the religion they are part of...)
Post by: nolimit19 on November 06, 2003, 07:07:17 PM
edit: the ability to talk to god directly is hardly a little thing, i would consider it a major issue. *continues to hit himself in the face*
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 07:12:01 PM
Thankfully most of that has changed...
Post by: The Omen on November 07, 2003, 06:26:12 AM
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i think ninja hit it on the head. you see....if you dont ask a priest for forgiveness....you really arent catholic...
Really now? I guess someone is going to take my special catholic members only card away? All religions have problems, and frankly, Dogma could've been about Judeism, Protestant. or scientology for all i care. The fact that hes catholic is why he chose catholicism. But the movie would work with all religions. Just change a few things here and there. Would you then be in here bashing, lets say, protestants? Or is it only a cathoolic thing?
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you are protestant. thats why the reformation happened, and i know there are tons of catholics who dont believe in confession, which makes me wonder why they dont leave to find a church that fits their beliefs.
I am? See you're worse than the church. You're saying i'm this or that because thats what you believe a protestant is. I believe whatever i believe whether i'm catholic or not. If i become protestant, do my beliefs change? There is no church that envelopes my beliefs fully.
Post by: nolimit19 on November 07, 2003, 07:27:47 AM
http://www.victorious.org/chur40.htm?o=0
i am not saying that if you believe you can talk to God directly, that you cant be catholic...but you are really only catholic in name and maybe a few other traditions. the reason for Luther doing was he did was based on the fact that relgion was depersonalized and he felt it was wrong. im not making fun of you or anything, and im not saying protestants are better then catholics....im just saying that what you believe on that particualr docterine is one of the MOST FUNDAMENTAL of protestant beliefs. there are certain protestant denominations that are way off when compared to catholic...i wont say who though.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 07, 2003, 10:27:21 AM
Also, I can't help but notice nolimit's abundance of anti-evolution signatures. Does that instill a bit of doubt in anyone else as to how impartial his views on religion are?
Post by: theRPGFreak on November 07, 2003, 11:50:22 AM
Post by: The Omen on November 07, 2003, 12:18:50 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 07, 2003, 02:40:57 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 08, 2003, 09:48:54 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 08, 2003, 10:55:42 AM
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but the idea that life magically sprang from nothing from some MAGICAL EXPLOSION is absolutely absurd.
Fair enough- I find it equally absurd to assume that life was created just as spontaneously from some magical being. And seeing as we're both such "experts" on the evidence of the opposite party's views, I don't think either of us are really in any position to defend such an opinion, much less argue it, right?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2003, 12:24:43 PM
But anyways, just wanted to add that you can still strongly follow your faith even if you don't follow every aspect of your religion...I believe in the theory of evolution, yet I still believe that Jesus existed...What am I supposed to do? Make my own religion?
Post by: nolimit19 on November 08, 2003, 02:16:05 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 08, 2003, 02:25:59 PM
And all that is required for you to be labeled a christian is to believe Jesus was the messiah.
Post by: theRPGFreak on November 08, 2003, 03:19:50 PM
...I believe in the theory of evolution, yet I still believe that Jesus existed...What am I supposed to do? Make my own religion?
Evolution is just a thoery to how life began by scientists, but I think that if you truly believe in Jesus, then you should be just fine. I wouldn't go as far as to make my own religion.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 09, 2003, 04:46:04 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 09, 2003, 05:29:10 AM
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nolmit, you're no scientist yourself, so you couldn't even BEGIN to comprehend why or why not evolution would work. One could logically believe in both creationism AND evolution- god created the original lifeforms and let them evolve on their own. In fact, I think that makes more sense than him creating everything right off the bat as they are.
And all that is required for you to be labeled a christian is to believe Jesus was the messiah.
it seems like you took everything i said, then repeated it. i just said that i know that there are people that believe in God and evolution. and i know basic biology and chemistry....so i do understand the basics of evolution. i go to sites on evolution all the time to learn more about it, and like i said, i am open to the possibility of God using creation. sure i dont know everything, and i never claimed to, but i know more then the average person simplybecaues the average person doesnt even seem to care. the point is that i just never knew someone that could really explain how and why they believed that God used evolution. like i said im not condemning it, i just want to know why if you dont mind. when jesus was on earth he never spoke out against the 6 day creation...and considering the fac that christians believe he was God, that is saying something.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 09, 2003, 06:21:24 AM
Anyway, before nolimit and I get banned, let's see if we can't tie this back into Kevin Smith.
I was on the IMDB message boards (don't ask why) and I came across an excellent explanation of Dogma:Quote
It's nothing to do with God: Man created the church, not God. Man wrote the bible - contradictions and all - not God. Man commits atrocities in the name of God, not God.
It's about how a good idea can be perverted and changed so it becomes hollow and meaningless (and even harmful). That's not to say that belief in God is a bad thing, merely that subscribing to DOGMA regarding Him IS bad.
- Kev
A lot of people seem to think Dogma is antireligious altogether, but those same people forget that Kevin Smith is a Catholic himself. That doesn't mean he can't have misgivings about his own church, though, and think it's better that you have faith alone and don't buy into all the pomp and circumstance.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 09, 2003, 07:34:10 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on November 09, 2003, 01:47:54 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 09, 2003, 01:58:14 PM
I was talking to a huge Tarantino friend of mine who said he thought Kevin Smith's best work to date was the Clerks cartoon because it forced him to be clever rather than falling back on vulgarity (which I found terribly ironic). He then went on to say he didn't think Dogma's message was necessary at all, which of course raises the question, a movie where someone gets decapitated every 10 minutes is necessary?
