Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 04, 2003, 04:55:46 PM
GameCube Land has the news, so use the link. It says that it will be 3D graphics, with side-scrolling gameplay. I wonder what else Nintendo has up its sleeve. Anyway, this is fantastic news. Nintendo should give 2D a bigger push than they have recently.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 04, 2003, 04:57:06 PM
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Post by: nolimit19 on November 04, 2003, 05:27:50 PM
Post by: CaseyRyback on November 04, 2003, 06:15:02 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 04, 2003, 06:15:59 PM
I also don't get why people cream their pants over a 2D Mario game with polygons. I don't WANT a crappy 2.5D Mario game. If they're going to go with a 2D route then go with it full out with sprites. Sprites is part of what 2D fans like about that style of game.
Post by: Michael8983 on November 04, 2003, 06:24:25 PM
I think cel-shading would be the best route to go. That way it could have the appearance of a classic Mario side-scroller but allow all kinds of neat effects not possible in a sprite-based game.
Post by: akdaman1 on November 04, 2003, 06:39:30 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on November 04, 2003, 07:32:39 PM
Miyamoto made it clear that his problem with SMS was it was so similar to SM64 with the only exceptions being the minor changes (the gimmicks) and that Mario 128 would be a "true" sequel in the sense that it would be very different. For some reason, a lot of people have interpreted his comment as suggesting the game will be similar to SM64 when he clearly meant the exact opposite. He meant that unlike SMS which only slightly strayed from the SM64 formula with gimmicks like the water pack, SM128 would have some REAL changes which backs up the idea of it being some kind of next-generation side-scroller.
Post by: vudu on November 05, 2003, 05:03:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
I think cel-shading would be the best route to go. That way it could have the appearance of a classic Mario side-scroller but allow all kinds of neat effects not possible in a sprite-based game.
i agree. cel-shading all the way.
and mario should be a super hero, not a plumber. and he should have the ability to slow down and speed up time. and buy upgrades. and punch, kick, pull bombs out of his back pocket, and throw boomerangs. and he should wear a pink cape.
Post by: seven_chaos on November 05, 2003, 07:05:10 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on November 05, 2003, 09:12:09 AM
QuoteI disagree.
Miyamoto made it clear that his problem with SMS was it was so similar to SM64 with the only exceptions being the minor changes (the gimmicks) and that Mario 128 would be a "true" sequel in the sense that it would be very different.
How do you know he may not take out these "gimmicks" and stick to the tried and true SM64 formula?
How can he say one thing but then mean another? If something is a "true sequel" that it would follow the same formula, not differ greatly. If you can support this seemingly unfounded assumption, I'd love to see it.
Miyamoto may end up proving you right and me wrong, but, until then, you have to be open to other's interpretations.
Post by: CaseyRyback on November 05, 2003, 10:00:09 AM
I would rather have a new 3D mario set in the mushroom kingdom though(and more of the levels without the water pack[the ones where shadow steals it and its all platforming skills] because those were the best)
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2003, 10:11:15 AM
*self-proclaimed fan of forest levels*
Post by: CaseyRyback on November 05, 2003, 10:16:35 AM
I would like to see the return of the battleships and beating the Koopa kids in a new Mario Game
Post by: Ian Sane on November 05, 2003, 10:51:39 AM
This type of design would not be that hard to do in 3D. It's been done in those Super Mario Sunshine levels without the waterpack as well as the Bowser levels in Super Mario 64. Parts of levels like the big ice slide in Super Mario 64 could also be levels on their own. Make more smaller levels and save the huge open areas for the overworld hub. Search-and-find gameplay can be used to find levels in the overworld instead of finding useless crap. Throw in some huge dungeons for the bosses and you have a platformer that combines the best qualities of 2D and 3D platformers.
Post by: vudu on November 05, 2003, 11:06:13 AM
::hopes miyamoto reads pgc forums::
Post by: kennyb27 on November 05, 2003, 12:12:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2003, 12:49:39 PM
Post by: MattVDB on November 05, 2003, 02:30:30 PM
Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 05, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 05, 2003, 02:52:06 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2003, 03:34:16 PM
QuoteI would really like to know where people get these rumors...First it's this, next thing you know there are rumors that I wang guys...Oh wait, there already are...
Originally posted by: MattVDB
So then, are the rumors true, is Bill really just another tree hugger?
Post by: CardBoardBox on November 05, 2003, 03:49:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2003, 03:57:33 PM
Post by: CardBoardBox on November 05, 2003, 04:05:16 PM
id never spread rumors about my friend Bill!!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2003, 04:05:59 PM
Post by: CardBoardBox on November 05, 2003, 04:06:54 PM
Post by: vudu on November 06, 2003, 04:38:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 05:59:52 AM
I found an interesting article too...Link
Post by: vudu on November 06, 2003, 07:00:51 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 07:11:11 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on November 06, 2003, 08:48:47 AM
I HATE YOU NINTENDO...ohhhh
Post by: Berny on November 06, 2003, 10:23:04 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on November 06, 2003, 12:44:28 PM
Mario games should be racing to the end of a stage using powerups and multiple paths not an open Zelda esque area of exploration and gathering of useless sprites to complete "missions."
Now people will realize that Nintendo did more than change the games to 3d they changed the gameplay because they thought that a shift in infasis was neccessary to go with the new open range of movement. When the N64 came out it should have been Zelda that went free roaming 3d (which it did, but only after Mario did) not Mario games. The game should definately be 3d but the gameplay should be 2d.
Plus everyone ignored me when I posted the following in a topic now found on the Mario board.
In a new interview in GMR Shig is asked about 2d gaming on this gen of consoles. His response is that he can't talk about it. Then he laughs. We all know what that usually means. Then his translater comes in and says he is always trying to get Shig to do a new 2d Mario. Then he laughs.
Want more? In the same issue of GMR there is mention of Nintendo having plans for an all new Mario series after Mario Advance 4 is finally released. This is in the preview for Mario Advance 4.
Why did people ignore these statements. I've known for months of these 2d rumblings. I don't forget what Shig says in interviews. Just like I'll never forget he said its time for Mario to grow up or that the true sequel to Mario 64 is still in development. I guess growing up ment for Mario and Luigi to get a fifth finger and cleaning devices.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 06, 2003, 01:04:52 PM
When did Mario ever not have five fingers? He has five on the cover of Super Mario Bros 3 and I'm talking about the NES version in case you think they changed it for the GBA game. If he used to have only four they changed it WELL before Super Mario Sunshine came out or Miyamoto made that "growing up" comment.
Post by: GoldShadow1 on November 06, 2003, 01:18:00 PM
This isn't an entirely new idea - games like Crash Bandicoot have done it. Still, I have long awaited a Mario game in this format. That's not to say I want it to be like Crash Bandicoot gameplay - I just want it to have a similar structure for progress.
The alternative, I think, is to go the other way - MORE free-form and explorative in nature than SM64 or SMS. Instead having individual levels and events, have one huge, open world. I found that it very irritating in SMS when a particular event would only use half of the level. Why not combine them all and let you tackle whatever Shine you want in any order? I'd much prefer that to SMS's half-linear structure.
So, in other words, I want Nintendo to either be completely linear, or completely non-linear. Either would be great, but I'm tired of the SMS format.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 06, 2003, 01:18:20 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on November 06, 2003, 01:21:36 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on November 06, 2003, 01:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
A huge 3d overworld would be cool. From there one would access the many themed platforming levels like temples in Zelda.
Well yeah, but it seems every 3D platformer these days has a giant hub. It works for Zelda because it's an adventure game, it even worked for Mario 64 because you didn't have to travel for ages and/or solve a whole bunch of tedious puzzles just to gain access to the next world.
Games like Banjo-Kazooie, Spyro and so on started introducing the whole "YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK EXTRA HARD TO REACH THE NEXT FUN BIT! GO FIND 40,000 BITS OF CRAP TO UNLOCK THE DOOR, THEN FIND JUMPING BOOTS COMBINED WITH ONIONS TO JUMP INTO THE DOOR. WHOOPS, DOOR'S BROKEN, GO FIND 4 BILLION HAMMERS"
I just want the classic map screens back, ala Mario 3/Mario World, where the biggest puzzle was finding a hammer to break a rock to access a bonus level. ;__;
Post by: Ian Sane on November 06, 2003, 01:41:03 PM
Yeah but Crash sucks at it.
I find with Crash Bandicoot it's more like a sidescroller but you go forward the whole time instead of from left to right. With my suggestion the levels are still very full 3D with a camera. Crash has never felt truly 3D to me. With my idea you have to be careful with the level design or else you just could get another Sonic Adventure-like game where you hold forward the whole time."The alternative, I think, is to go the other way - MORE free-form and explorative in nature than SM64 or SMS. Instead having individual levels and events, have one huge, open world."
That's a cool idea. Though you still have to have some specific objectives or else it's not much of a game. I think Jak II is supposed to be similiar to that idea. It's supposed to have an open ended area similiar to GTA3. If they made a big open world Mario I would love it if several of the areas were locations from Super Mario RPG.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 06, 2003, 02:25:07 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 06, 2003, 06:41:39 PM
Well Mario Sunshine offered all the things you said exept the air ships. There was boats on water, there was the fruit-yoshi system and yoshis made those different platforms by spitting it at baddies, there was warp pipes that linked to levels.
There was powerups with the FLOOD with similar things you wanted minus the fire flower power. There was also villages and some scattered farms in SMS.
So why are you nagging about things that you think werent in the game that was accually in it.
Post by: vudu on November 07, 2003, 06:10:29 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
I want a fully 3d Mushroom Kingdom with villages and farms. I want air ships and boats on water. I want to train Yoshis that grow uniquely depending on what you feed them so you can traverse the kingdom on Yoshi like Epona in Zelda. I want hidden warp pipes that can be used early in the game to make it to the next continent/world of stages. I want individual abilities from powerups like gliding, growing, shrinking, hovering, fire flower power, free form flying, speed, high jumping, and swimming. Well that is just the beginning of my wish list. But I can almost bet none of it will be in the next game.
i want a huge world (like a million square miles) that's round and if you hold in one direction for like 16 hours you get to where you started from.
i want mario to carry luigi around in his back pack and you can swap between them at any time by pressing the z button.
i want mario to grow old as i play the game. every hour in the game equals one year in mario's universe. so if you can't beat the game in under 40 hours mario grows too old and decrepit to beat bowser and you lose.
i want to be able to enter in the konami code at the title screen and get a hogillion-kabillion lives.
i also want a gold toilet seat.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on November 07, 2003, 12:17:26 PM
I guess the mods can close this now.
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on November 08, 2003, 07:43:24 PM
P.S. Keep on buying, and I'll keep on delivering.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 08, 2003, 09:34:24 PM
