Post by: CaseyRyback on October 10, 2003, 08:12:07 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 10, 2003, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 10, 2003, 08:20:30 PM
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Could possibly provide a link for this? I call bull sh!t on this anway.
Agreed. This isn't even a believable rumor.
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 10, 2003, 08:25:25 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 10, 2003, 08:32:59 PM
I remember back before Rogue Leader was released and Factor 5 was asked if they were going to port it to any other systems. Factor 5 responded by saying that it would be extremely difficult since the game was made solely with the GameCube's hardware in mind. I'm sure that's the case with Rebel Strike too so it ain't gonna happen. Besides Factor 5 are practically GameCube fan boys. They helped build the damn thing after all.
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 10, 2003, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 10, 2003, 08:41:39 PM
Post by: Cap on October 10, 2003, 08:50:12 PM
i think the only thing that will affect sales of rebel strike will be mario kart, not this rumour.
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 10, 2003, 08:50:41 PM
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 10, 2003, 08:56:20 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 10, 2003, 10:19:37 PM
"Does this spell the end of Star Wars game development on the GameCube? Not necessarily, but with support for Nintendo's console steadily declining we'd be surprised to hear of any new LucasArts games coming out for the system. Of course, this has little relevance to the next generation of consoles, but for the GameCube, Rebel Strike may be it."
It's the standard "Nintendo is doomed" routine that just doesn't hold any water anymore after the recent increase in sales. Plus as far as I know Rogue Leader was a big hit so unless Rebel Strike completely bombs I don't see any reason for Lucasarts to ditch the Cube. The games may be ported to the Xbox but I highly doubt the series would leave Nintendo outright.
And what's Lucas' beef with Star Wars on DVD? I mean talk about an instant money maker. Everyone already has Star Wars on VHS by now anyway so it's not like it will doom VHS sales. I imagine Star Wars VHS sales are virtually dead by now anyway since most people have moved to DVD.
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 10, 2003, 10:39:23 PM
First of all George wants to do another Special Edition with the original trilogy. Because he is busy with the prequels though he won't be able to do anything with them until sometime after he is done with Episode III. I suppose in an attempt to not screw fans over too much he's decided not to release them on DVDs until he's done with this second special edition. That way we won't have like 2 or 3 copies of the trilogy on DVD. Anyway most signs point to it being released by 2006 since that will be a year after Episode III will be released in theaters. Personally though I feel they won't be released till 2007 since that would be the 30th anniversary of A New Hope.
The real scary thing though is that George has sworn that he will never release the original non-special edition version of the Trilogy (or the Rough Cuts as he now likes to call them) in any form again. Now I'm actually a fan of the Special Editions but the idea of never seeing the original versions of the movies released again is like a crime against the entire universe or something. This is were the whole thing about the DVDs coming out next year comes in. There was a rumor like a couple weeks back on theforce.net that because of the success of the Indiana Jones DVDs Fox had pressured Lucas in releasing the OT on DVD early. The thing about it though is that the rumor wasn't clear about which version would be released. It kind of made it sound like the non-special edition versions would be released in 2004. If the rumors true I think it would be the best thing to do since George could then release the Ultimate Special Edition (or whatever they will be called) in 2006 or 2007.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 10, 2003, 11:10:10 PM
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 10, 2003, 11:21:14 PM
RS3 will probably be $20 by then as well. will anyone even care about the x-box versions?
Post by: The Omen on October 11, 2003, 05:23:17 AM
By the way, xbox ign is complete garbage. Remember the rating they gave DOA:XVB. Plus, reading a story from when the waveboird came out, all the xbox editors said it sucked and were making fun of....the name! Fanboy children they are.
Post by: Mario on October 11, 2003, 05:29:05 AM
*buys an Xbox for Rogue Squadron and Mario*
It's most likely all crap, extra hype for Xbox, as if it really needs it.
Post by: PIAC on October 11, 2003, 05:31:34 AM
im still waiting for my 5 rare games in 2 years
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 11, 2003, 05:34:48 AM
Post by: Drago on October 11, 2003, 11:35:15 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 11, 2003, 12:27:06 PM
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I find it interesting that many game sites were refusing to confirm (or even entertain the rumor) that splinter sell was going to be ported
Such sites are complete idiots. Splinter Cell was announced for GameCube and PS2 from the beginning. There was a short announcement that said that it was being delayed 6 months and there was a media blackout, but it was never cancelled, and nobody ever said that it wasn't coming out for GCN and PS2.
Post by: Rhoq on October 11, 2003, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: Rhoq on October 11, 2003, 01:56:15 PM
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What I'm about to tell you about the Star Wars DVDs may frighten you so read with caution.
First of all George wants to do another Special Edition with the original trilogy. Because he is busy with the prequels though he won't be able to do anything with them until sometime after he is done with Episode III. I suppose in an attempt to not screw fans over too much he's decided not to release them on DVDs until he's done with this second special edition. That way we won't have like 2 or 3 copies of the trilogy on DVD. Anyway most signs point to it being released by 2006 since that will be a year after Episode III will be released in theaters. Personally though I feel they won't be released till 2007 since that would be the 30th anniversary of A New Hope.
The real scary thing though is that George has sworn that he will never release the original non-special edition version of the Trilogy (or the Rough Cuts as he now likes to call them) in any form again. Now I'm actually a fan of the Special Editions but the idea of never seeing the original versions of the movies released again is like a crime against the entire universe or something. This is were the whole thing about the DVDs coming out next year comes in. There was a rumor like a couple weeks back on theforce.net that because of the success of the Indiana Jones DVDs Fox had pressured Lucas in releasing the OT on DVD early. The thing about it though is that the rumor wasn't clear about which version would be released. It kind of made it sound like the non-special edition versions would be released in 2004. If the rumors true I think it would be the best thing to do since George could then release the Ultimate Special Edition (or whatever they will be called) in 2006 or 2007.
The "Ulimate Editions" are supposedly already completed - which is why they are now preparing the films for a possible Fall 2004 release. I think you might find THIS SITE intersting. It is an on-line petition, which is being closely monitored by the folks at LucasFilm - to include the ORIGINAL theatrical versions of the films on the DVDs in addition to the new versions...
Post by: Ian Sane on October 11, 2003, 09:27:14 PM
I've always been worried about the DVDs only having the special editions. Personally I think that the special editions SUCK. Hey let's show the Wampa! Dramatic tension? What's that? Hey let's change all of Return of the Jedi's music so it sounds like crap! What a STUPENDOUS idea!! Let's have Greedo shoot first and complete ruin one of the most bad ass Han Solo moments ever!!
Having both versions available is something that I think every fan, even if they prefer the special editions, wants to have. I wouldn't even care if they sold the original and special editions seperately. You don't need a petition to see that fans want that.
Post by: highenergyboy on October 12, 2003, 03:54:42 AM
Regarding the possibility of Factor 5 porting the Rogue Squadron series to the X-box, this would be next to impossible considering Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike were both built solely from the ground up for the Gamecube hardware to exploit its many strengths (these aren't what you would call port friendly). Plus I don't see how the graphics could be improved upon seeing as how the Gamecube versions are already running with practically every effect imaginable enabled such as bumpmapping, realtime lighting, volumetric fog and (in the case of Rebel Strike) a new light scattering technology that makes for some awe-inspiring sunsets. X-box fans wouldn't gain any bragging rights here. All that these ports would prove is that the console is at the very least capable of running the game, but that would be like a step down if you ask me once Factor 5 reveals their next project which, as hard as it may be to believe is no doubt going to top Rebel Strike in the visual department.
This brings up another point. Factor 5 seems much too preoccupied with other projects to devote precious resources to begin developing for other consoles. In addition to a possible Pilot Wings sequel, they have already alluded to having other projects in the works for the Gamecube. You also have to remember they do more then just make games. They're specialty also seems to rest in hardware; they designed the Gamecube's sound chip (how much you want to bet they will be just as involved in Nintendo's next console?), adapted Pro Logic II for use in Gamecube games, and just recently, solved the issue of high quality video by implementing Divx compression technology.
Lastly, there is absolutely nothing keeping Factor 5 exclusive to Nintendo. For some unknown reason they choose to develop for them only, and have frequently expressed their unwavering satisfaction with the relations they currently enjoy with the Big N. If Factor 5 really wanted to go multiplatform they would have done so long ago.
Such strong contradictions cause me to question the validity of this latest rumor.
Post by: SuperLink666 on October 12, 2003, 05:08:53 AM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 12, 2003, 05:49:22 AM
Post by: oohhboy on October 12, 2003, 06:20:59 AM
Anyway, back when Rogue Leader came out Factor 5(Julian) did say that it was possible to run RL even on the PS2, it just needed tweaking. But he didn't go on to the amount or what needed tweaking. Also the RL was based off the N64 version code which allowed for the fast development time but had also produced some porblems like crashing and for time to time inconsitant frame rate.
Now we have Rebel Strike. this game has been written from scratch around the GC hardware. Now with any program it can be ported from system to system with differant results. Factors include time and money, talent, limitations of the recieving/original hardware and so on. It can almost be a straight port like PC to Xbox due to the similiar hardware or near total rewrite say from PS2 to everything else out there. But all this talk is pointless as one, it's IGN, two, Factor 5 don't do ports as in they don't port things themselfs it would be a third party of some sort ala Gearbox for Halo. Three porting 3 games in one year is abit bit of a streach considering Rebel strike would have to be largely rewritten or some nasty shortcuts taken. And lastly, it's IGN.
But this generation has been very wishy-washy. It is almost impossible to foresee anything.
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 12, 2003, 07:20:05 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 12, 2003, 08:13:51 AM
If I understood it right they were responsible for porting Katakis and R-Type to the C64 back then.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2003, 08:17:42 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on October 12, 2003, 09:14:56 AM
Post by: Zero on October 12, 2003, 10:12:54 AM
Post by: Cap on October 12, 2003, 10:14:46 AM
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Just like that rumor(posted on big game sites, no less!) that Star Fox Adventures was being ported to the Xbox...I couldn't decide whether to laugh or find the ip of the sites, drive over, and slap them across their faces...
thats a completely different story though. star fox is owned and published by nintendo. there is nothing keeping rouge leader on the gc like there was star fox. some sites should have known better about the star fox story, but rouge leader isnt out of the question.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2003, 10:21:29 AM
Post by: Cap on October 12, 2003, 10:32:42 AM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/432/432558p2.html
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2003, 11:28:02 AM
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I find it interesting that many game sites were refusing to confirm (or even entertain the rumor) that splinter sell was going to be ported
Such sites are complete idiots. Splinter Cell was announced for GameCube and PS2 from the beginning. There was a short announcement that said that it was being delayed 6 months and there was a media blackout, but it was never cancelled, and nobody ever said that it wasn't coming out for GCN and PS2.
Your right, I think it was during the media blackout in IGN's N-Query someone had asked about Splinter Cell and they would not say if it was or was not coming to GC. And now IGN is reporting the Rebel Strike rumor. It looked hypocritical to me. Like you said complete idiots but I once thought IGN was above that.
Post by: Yuji Miyamoto on October 12, 2003, 12:05:34 PM
An odd thing to note on Rebel X--back from the EGM issue that featured our first look at Rebel Strike, Factor 5 stated "The company has strong ties with Nintendo and even helped design the hardware, and the game itself was designed specifically for the Cube's capabilities (which is why it looks so stellar). Recoding it for, say, Xbox would be "10 times harder for us than to just start another game from scratch," Eggebrecht says."
You'd think the people who run this site would know this stuff and would discredit this BS rumor, but whatever...
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 12, 2003, 12:17:21 PM
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Your right, I think it was during the media blackout in IGN's N-Query someone had asked about Splinter Cell and they would not say if it was or was not coming to GC. And now IGN is reporting the Rebel Strike rumor. It looked hypocritical to me. Like you said complete idiots but I once thought IGN was above that.
As did I. I stopped reading IGN a long time ago. Reason being that the editors on all sections of the site started bashing Nintendo. If I want to read some biased garbage about how much Nintendo sucks, I would read Official Xbox Magazine. As it is, I go to news sites to get the factual news, and not some contrived BS with an anti-Nintendo spin on it. That's why I came to PGC. They do their very best to give us the straight news, and they don't shove a bunch of anti-Nintendo propaganda down our throats.
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 12, 2003, 12:24:33 PM
)This rumor is wrong and that's that's the end of that chapter.
Post by: Cap on October 12, 2003, 12:35:53 PM
isnt there always the possiblity that lucasarts could force factor 5 to port these games though(or simply get another developer to port the games)? i doubt the decision is factor 5's to make.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 12, 2003, 01:28:50 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 12, 2003, 04:18:17 PM
DOOM ON THEM!
Post by: SuperLink666 on October 12, 2003, 05:35:38 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 12, 2003, 06:29:01 PM
Post by: Mannypon on October 13, 2003, 12:43:18 AM
Post by: egman on October 13, 2003, 12:33:35 PM
What IGNxbox fails to mention in their little rumour is the overall weak performance of Star Wars games outside of KOTOR. People are kidding themselves or being misguided by all the hype if they think Factor 5 and Lucasarts will see higher sales on an X-box port.
With that in mind though, Julian also stated that F5 and LA are watching holiday sales closely. Factor 5 have made it clear that they like to work on one platform, and while Nintendo has treated them well for the last several years, that could easily change if Rebel Strike bombs. I'm less concerned about an Xbox port and more worried that Factor 5 would no longer think of a Nintendo console as a viable platform. Nintendo and Factor 5 seem to be a good fit IMO, with both companies benefiting from the close relationship they had when Nintendo was putting together the GameCube.
Post by: SuperLink666 on October 13, 2003, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: egman on October 13, 2003, 12:53:29 PM
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 13, 2003, 01:11:02 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 13, 2003, 01:15:33 PM
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I don't know about PilotWings being GC bound. I would love to have it sooner rather than later, but the IGN rumour that suspected that it's headed to the next Nintendo machine is one of the few I would put some stock in. There's a lot of stuff coming next year that could possibly overshadow it. Also, PilotWings has had a tradition of being a launch title and tech demo, and it seems to me that after the amazing job Factor 5 did with Rogue Leader as a launch game, having them develop PilotWings in that launch title/tech demo tradition seems like a brilliant move in many ways.
I usually bitch at people who want games moved to N5 rather than being released on GameCube. But you are surprisingly convincing with this argument.
Post by: egman on October 13, 2003, 01:30:44 PM
. I agree that I don't like all this talk of titles moving to N5, but with amount of stuff that has already been push into the next year or so, PilotWings just seems more and more likely as a canidate for the next platform. When I think about it, Rogue Leader was kind of replacement for a PilotWings gam. I don't have much evidence to support that claim, but my feeling is that Nintendo was thinking the same way that I am right now and therefore insisted that Factor 5 have title ready for launch. Consequently, it just seems to make sense to them let them have a run at PilotWings to fufill that same role again. Factor 5 has not only proved their ability to push a platform and then some, but Rogue Leader showed that they could squeeze out an impressive game under a major time crunch--a nice quality for a developer working on launch title to have. It really says a lot about Factor 5 when their launch title arguably unmatched while we head into 3rd generation software.
Post by: dmcollin on October 13, 2003, 05:56:38 PM
Post by: Mannypon on October 13, 2003, 08:25:06 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on October 13, 2003, 08:40:01 PM
Doubt this happens. For 1, Nintendo wouldnt have given Factor 5 the pilotwings liscence... if they were going to spend time porting their best stuff to the Xbox and 2. Just because some Third parties are jumping ship, doesnt mean Lucasarts will... Last time i checked, their games have sold plenty well on the GCN, and Lucas arts is giving us Gladius and the rest of their library....
Post by: CaseyRyback on October 14, 2003, 07:36:19 AM
Also its funny how early they got the game, seeing as how that Cubism guy from IGN got an early copy and said there was a lot of bugs and such and he got his copy way before IGN ever did.
Also the version he played was not the finished version( game was not even finished until the 9th of Oct.)
Another thing is while Rebel strike got high praise from many sites, Game Informer thrashed it in its previews
Post by: Rich on October 14, 2003, 06:29:02 PM
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Post by: Locke Cole on October 15, 2003, 05:30:00 PM
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Joining the darkside? After reading game informers review on the game, it seems we have more to fear than them jumping ship to xbox. I know its just one magazines opinion but this isnt a good start for the newest addition to the rs trilogy.
Don't ever listen to Game Informer, and if you did read the review he hated almost everything. Even the flying.... I can understand the ground missions, from what I've heard some of them are realtivly weak and need more work on and some are actually pretty good. Just wait till Gamespot reviews it and please don't give me this "Gamespot is soo bias" crap on me. I mainly trust Gamespot cause they are fair with most of their reviews.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 15, 2003, 07:53:27 PM
I like statements that say things like "hey, the was pretty fun, unfortunately doesn't really excell or compete with this and that, but still commendable/fun and worth a shot" which is a far cry from "BECAUSE THIS THING DOESN'T MEASURE UP TO THAT THING WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A LOWER SCORE AND CONDEMN IT TO HELL'S BATHROOM AND MAKE ANYTHING BELOW A 70%-SOMETHING SEEM COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND CRAPTASTIC."
I'd like to get a "recall vote" on for some of "those" people.
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 15, 2003, 07:53:56 PM
Besides Game Informer is infamously crappy anyway. Unless it has Billy's name on it I would just ignore it.
Post by: Urkel on October 15, 2003, 11:56:48 PM
Don't even get me started on EGM. They treat the Cube like it's some kind of second tier console.
How the mighty have fallen.
Post by: Uglydot on October 16, 2003, 01:35:25 AM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 16, 2003, 04:17:56 AM
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Which is funny because that site start out as a N64 site.
There is no greater enemy than a former friend (or lover). It's possible that IGN writers once loved Nintendo, but now they are feeling bitter about Nintendo coming in at only ~15% market share the last two generations (N64 & Cube).
Post by: GoldShadow1 on October 16, 2003, 08:00:09 PM
