Post by: honda_insightful on September 16, 2003, 03:29:58 AM
Just curious.....
ME: I haven't seen anything worth buying. Not Halo. Not anything. Maybe Banjo-Kazooie 3 if it's ever released.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 16, 2003, 07:40:55 AM
Post by: XBR on September 16, 2003, 10:17:44 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 16, 2003, 11:57:24 AM
That and I don't have the money.
It's hard enough supporting a Gamecube, PS2, an GBA, it would be hell with an XBox, too.
Post by: Ridley on September 16, 2003, 02:21:16 PM
Post by: Gup on September 16, 2003, 02:41:36 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Cost isn't worth it- I'd only end up buying Halo, Halo 2, JSRF, Shenmue 2, and maybe Fable. That's only 5 games and I don't want to buy a whole new console for just 5 games.
That and I don't have the money.
Umm. . . wow, it's like looking into a mirror of words. Your words reflect my opinion 90% except that I want what Team Ninja has to offer(DOA Series, Ninja Gaiden), and I'm looking forward to the Rare games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 16, 2003, 03:04:56 PM
1) It's made by MS, and partners are nVidia and Intel. It just doesn't start out in a much more evil way.
2) The controller is the worst thing I have felt since the Atari 2600 controller.
3) The "system seller" game known as "Halo" just bites.
4) DOA Xtreme Volleyball is considered a system seller in some circles.
5) It's greatest games are just crappy PC Ports, and I hate PC Games.
6) It would take 2 hours of searching to find a single game for the system I MIGHT actually buy. I was once really upset that I wouldn't get to see Ninja Gaiden on GameCube, but I realized that I didn't even want the game when I found out that it's a Ninja Gaiden game in nothing but name. If I want to play a crappy sequel, I can just go play Chrono Cross.
7) People who like the system say that it's great because you can install Linux on it and run all sorts of emulators. They seem to forget to mention that they can do all of this because of an ILLEGAL SDK release, and the games you are running are also illegal, and any '90s era PC can do the same bloody thing.
8) The architecture just pisses me off. Any case modder can make an Xbox. Just take a bunch of mid range PC parts, throw them in a box and call it a console. Yay. What pisses me off even more about this is that people actually think that because the Xbox has all this PC stuff, it's more powerful than a GCN. Last I heard, PC architecture was incredibly inefficient as far as gaming is concerned, and I don't see the Xbox improving on the design any.
Xbox can just suck the big one.
Post by: Mario on September 16, 2003, 03:17:21 PM
*sigh* i just realised the games im interested in are only on Xbox because of $$$. -___-
Post by: Uglydot on September 16, 2003, 04:40:01 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on September 16, 2003, 05:20:58 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 16, 2003, 05:26:33 PM
Post by: Gup on September 16, 2003, 05:44:10 PM
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Gup: I'm not too interested in DOA3, but Ninja Gaiden does look appealing. As does KOTOR, which I forgot to mention.
Exactly why I said 90% to my own opinion. You can never agree 100% of the time. . .probably.
Post by: Molobert on September 16, 2003, 07:33:10 PM
-I don't need the DVD player, I have one for the living room and on my PC.
-I dislike the controller. I can't reach the black and white buttons on the normal one, and on the S controller the same buttons are really hard to use.
-I don't like sports games. This makes up for a large percentage of the Xbox's game library.
-Most of the once exclusive games it has I can now get without an Xbox. I already have Splinter Cell for gamecube and I could get Halo on PC (with mouse control, which is much better). I still won't get Halo though, because I'm not a big FPS player
-I don't see many future games I would buy except for Fable. Halo 2 I would probably get anyway, but I wouldn't miss it if I didn't have it. Also Doom 3 and HL2 are going to be on PC, with mouse control. I don't have a good enough graphics card right now (Intel Xtreme
), but it would cost less than a new xbox with a game. Even so they are still FPS's.-It's not very portable. I often go to LAN parties at my friends house and the Cube is easy to take, because of the handle. Since I walk there, bringing an Xbox would be a hassle.
-I wouldn't use Live and I'd rather keep the $50 to buy a GCN game.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 16, 2003, 08:16:21 PM
While I wouldn't mind one now (There's a few games its now spewed forth that I'd really like to play), I simply cannot afford it. The GameCube scene is about to explode here, with a HEAP of games I'll NEED. The PS2 is still putting along nicely, too. Plenty of games I'll be wanting for ol' faithful (The great majority of them, RPGs).
Post by: aLI!En on September 17, 2003, 03:12:11 AM
http://www3.telus.net/gill7486/RallisportChallenge_X03Trailer_1.5Mbps.wmv
RallySport Chalenge 1 was my favorite xbox game, rsc2 will be even better, and I will never again sold xbox. and for this game, I'll get LIVE.
poor GC, there is no racing games. Not single one!
Post by: ghostVi on September 17, 2003, 04:57:53 AM
Warning, MS-hate ahead:
It's MS == it's evil. They loose more money if I don't buy xbox, than if I do.
If Sony we're handling PS2 same like MS does Windows there would be NO GameCube, no Metroid, no Zelda etc etc... It's all lies and FUD, it's not even more powerful than GC (at least not in-game, last I checked, and questionable if comparing spec numbers).
On a side note, if you live in California and have purchased MS software you may get a free PC, based on a court ruling. Lindows helps make this online right now, go check it out (and take MS money away! they belong to you anyway): http://www.msfreepc.com/
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 17, 2003, 06:07:39 AM
Just a year ago, i was a fully fledged Nintendo Fanboy. Anything non-nintendo would piss me off to the extent that I'd bash the opposition's games, literally. I'd deface the Xbox displays and pamphlets with 'SuxBox' (if you saw my room before on the net, i had one such pamphlet on my door), crack cases, etc.
Now I'm a bit more reserved. I'm not as fanboyish as i was before, but i don't really see the point of buying an Xbox (or PS2). I never really have owned anything else other than Nintendo, so it's my console of choice.
While Rare went to Xbox, I don't see the point of spending 700 bucks AUS (all up: console, 3 extra controllers, continued Live subscriptions, one internet game like Conker or PD0 which will most likely have online play) just for an Xbox, when I am already perfectly happy playing my Cube. I don't even play it that much anymore (cause I'm saving up for a trip overseas, paintball, and of course, more GC games).
Besides, Rare's only has five games (or less) for Xbox. NIntendo themselves (1st and 2nd party) have tons for GC.
And i con only really afford like two games a year by myself anyway. All the rest I got from trade ins, free or competitions.
Post by: PIAC on September 17, 2003, 10:11:37 AM
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I had xbox, sold it, but I will buy it again because of this
poor GC, there is no racing games. Not single one!
what was that? sorry i couldn't hear you, i was playing Burnout 1, Burnout 2, F1 2001, F-Zero GX and so forth, yes the cube does have racing games, just not a large amount, i hear Burnout 2 is awsome (im not a racing fan)
show me 10+ titles on xbawx i would buy and i will buy it, so far i have seen maybe 2 or 3 (and no HAYLOE~!111111 isn't one of them)
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 17, 2003, 03:31:38 PM
Post by: aLI!En on September 17, 2003, 03:44:08 PM
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what was that? sorry i couldn't hear you, i was playing Burnout 1, Burnout 2, F1 2001, F-Zero GX and so forth, yes the cube does have racing games, just not a large amount, i hear Burnout 2 is awsome (im not a racing fan)
Burnout 1 - bad game, too arcade, CG had the worst port, no online
Burnout 2 - ok game, too arcade, CG had the worst port (I have PS2 ver.), no online
F1 2001 - this game is piece of $hit, CG had the worst port, no online
F-Zero GX - it is futuristic, I don’t want that, no online too!!!
Rally Sport Chalenge2, Project Gotham racing, GT4, all of them are great racers, and ONLINE. Nintendo, you are so stupid. You had a chance with MK: DD going online and you blow the game!!! Now, I don’t even want to buy that game. I want online mplayer for racers; I'll boycott every offline racer.
QuoteXbox don’t have 10+ titles, but RSC2, PGR2 + LIVE is enough for me to buy one again, and keep it forever!
Originally posted by: PIAC
show me 10+ titles on xbawx i would buy and i will buy it, so far i have seen maybe 2 or 3 (and no HAYLOE~!111111 isn't one of them)
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 17, 2003, 04:03:33 PM
And you're not going to find a lot of people who agree with you about F-Zero- if you don't like the game, that's fine, but we happen to think it's great. I also don't see how online is a neccessity- sure it's a great feature to have, but if you NEED online support to get the most out of a racer, you don't have a very good racer.
Post by: The Omen on September 17, 2003, 08:50:32 PM
Because, and i'm not being a wanker here, it sucks. It has less than 10 games i would even consider, and even less than that if you consider that some of those are on PC also. I play at my friends who is an avid Xbox fanboy, and i just don't see it. I'm being a little fanboyish purposely, but in all honesty, there isn't enough reason for me to spend another 100-150$ for games i can get on my PC. Is there some games that are exclusive that i would buy? Sure. But less than 5, and thats just not worth it to me.
Post by: aLI!En on September 18, 2003, 08:03:03 AM
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That's all a matter of opinion, alien- I LOVED both Burnout 1 and 3, and thought both were ported very well. Especially Burnout 2, which had a lot of extras the PS2 version didn't have and for some reason just seems to be better than the XBox version. Perhaps that notion is unfounded, but that's what I've noticed.
:)))))
You loved Burnout 3 :) there is no Burnout 3! Can you lend me your copy of "Burnout 3" please?
About extras in Burnout 2: Xbox and GC version are the same! But, graphics is better in Xbox ver., so I can declare Xbox version as the best version. Believe me, I saw all 3 version of Burnout 2.
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And you're not going to find a lot of people who agree with you about F-Zero- if you don't like the game, that's fine, but we happen to think it's great.
About F-Zero. I think it is GREAT game. But, it's not my type of game! I don’t want futuristic racing games! I want realistic car racing games. Maybe, just maybe, I would buy F-Zero for online mplayer, but since game isn't online, no F-Zero for me.
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I also don't see how online is a neccessity- sure it's a great feature to have, but if you NEED online support to get the most out of a racer, you don't have a very good racer.
Actually, there is now one great online game. Midtown Madness 3! Single Player isn't great, but online mplayer is a blast! I spent one month playing that game at my friend’s house. Fantastic game! I just waited for PGR2 to buy an Xbox. And with RSC2, now, I don’t have any doubt about Xbox. For me Xbox LIVE is the best thing ever happened in the console gaming! It's a shame that Nintendo doesn’t think that too! MS and Sony will be 100% online ready for next generation, what will Nintendo do? Of course I'll get N5, but as the years goes, I spend less and less time playing Nintendo products (don’t count GBA). Just go online Nintendo, go online!
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 18, 2003, 11:28:49 AM
And if the XBox version of the game does have marginally better graphics, how is it any blow to the Gamecube version? It's still a great game and leagues ahead of the PS2 version.
Also, why should Nintendo go online now if they're only gonig to lose money. I'd rather have Nintendo pour their money into making great offline games rather than have them split their profit between mediocre online and offline games.
Post by: Round Eye on September 19, 2003, 10:21:00 AM
Other than that, I cannot afford it. I am made pretty broke just trying to keep Nintendo in business.
Post by: aLI!En on September 19, 2003, 04:14:02 PM
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And if the XBox version of the game does have marginally better graphics, how is it any blow to the Gamecube version? It's still a great game and leagues ahead of the PS2 version.
Did you ever seen BurnOut2 PS2? It looks better than GC. Even Xbox does have hardly better graphics, mostly because of progressive scan output. My opinion: Xbox > PS2 > GC
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Also, why should Nintendo go online now if they're only gonig to lose money. I'd rather have Nintendo pour their money into making great offline games rather than have them split their profit between mediocre online and offline games.
Why should Nintendo go online now if they're only going to lose money... Why should Nintendo go online now if they're only going to lose money ... Why should Nintendo go online now if they're only going to lose money...
I listen this $hit every day!!! I'll tell you why: because we want online games! I don’t care if they lose big money; I want to play games online! I want Nintendo LIVE this gen! Throw all your money Nintendo there that service will be payable next gen for sure.
Listen me carefully mouse_clicker, N5 will be dead from the beginning if only N5 doesn’t have online service! Time has changed Nintendo, people want online games! If you doesn’t listen us, you dig your own grave.
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I am made pretty broke just trying to keep Nintendo in business.
omg. I can’t believe my own eyes. I don’t support companies; I support quality titles, where ever they are.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 20, 2003, 01:46:47 AM
I'd like to see the green party rule my country, however the majority of the voters want SPD or CDU. I don't get my green goverment. It's the same with online gaming.
You want a realistic racer? Well, I don't. I think ignoring realism gives more freedom for gamedesign and I think a racer needs weapons. Well, whatever. Have a N.I.C.E. day!
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 20, 2003, 07:57:39 PM
IF you find that the single player/multiplayer is worse than online, than there is a reason why you would like online in the first place.
Great racers like Mario Kart and F-Zero don't need online because the single player is just as good. I haven't played MK or F-Zero GX, but I have played AX, and I have to say that Sega really have nailed the speed and graphics on the head with the coolest style I have seen.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 20, 2003, 09:25:52 PM
Post by: aLI!En on September 21, 2003, 06:20:18 AM
ask your frends. Almost everyone wants online games.
"Nintendo said online gaming isn't profitable JUST YET"
It doesent have to be. Look what MS doing now. They know they'll make big money soon. And they are 100% online ready next gen, Nintendo isnt.
"If it's profitable next gen, expect N to include it."
Oh, it isnt something like: ok, online is profitabile now, we'll bring N LIVE tomorrow. Building Xbox LIVE took MS almost 2 years. You must be ready for future, or there wont be future for N.
"You want a realistic racer? Well, I don't"
That's what I am talking about. CG got to have various types of games for all gamers! N doesent have realistic car game, and that hurts GC more than you can imagine! A lot of people buy Xbox or PS2 for GT, PGR, RSC ...
"I think a racing game online isn't really a good thing."
Yeah, right!
"IF you find that the single player/multiplayer is worse than online, than there is a reason why you would like online in the first place."
Online is alwaus better than Singl Player. Real people >>> computer AI
"Great racers like Mario Kart and F-Zero don't need online because the single player is just as good."
GT, PGR, RSC are great racers also. online give that games whole new dimension. as I sad before: Real people >>> computer AI
"because with reality you cant use your immagination to input some awesome game mechanic and the realistic factor makes a game go MEH"
Let me guess, you have only GC? there are a lot of fantastic realistic games.
"Microsoft is forcing you to play on their network"
that network is in my opinion great service! all my gaming buds in one place, lag free, same gametags in all games, free long distance calling to my friends...
Post by: KDR_11k on September 21, 2003, 08:21:41 AM
I don't see Live! to make any profit anywhere soon. If online was THE feature absolutely everyone wants, don't you think adaption rates were a BIT higher?
However, Nintendo is already preparing and going to be ready when online becomes important. They haven't announced much yet and probably won't until half a year before launch, but various sources report of negotiations with Gamespy and AOL, suggesting more than a vague interest in going online.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 21, 2003, 09:18:19 AM
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I listen this $hit every day!!! I'll tell you why: because we want online games! I don’t care if they lose big money; I want to play games online! I want Nintendo LIVE this gen! Throw all your money Nintendo there that service will be payable next gen for sure.
Sega lost money going online. Microsoft is losing money going online. Sony is losing money going online. OBVIOUSLY, if you'd stop thinking about yourself here for a second, not enough people WANT online to actually make a profit off of it. Why should *I* throw MY money at Nintendo to online this gen when *I* don't want online gaming? Why should *I* support something just so YOU can be marginally more happy than you were before? Stop being selfish and start thinking about what's best for Nintendo, which is NOT going online right now.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 21, 2003, 12:55:41 PM
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 23, 2003, 09:09:49 PM
For the SNES:
The Bandai-satellaview X which was a modem that fitted underneath the SNES. It was highly popular in Japan (unlike the 64DD), because you could connect the system up to the St Giga satellite TV station between 4 and 7pm to view games news, chat online and download games.
The games were the real draw because many of them were exclusives or special editions of already popular games. You could download most of them onto a re-writable memory cart, which slotted into the BS-X cart, which in turn plugged into the top of the SNES like a normal cart.
Games included graphically enhanced versions of Zelda, Super Mario Collection, and extra tracks for F-Zero and Excitebike. You could also play against virtual friends with games that had multiplayer.
It was such a success, that Nintendo made games for it right up until March 1999, and only pulled the plug in June 2000.
So when Nintendo says it isn't keen or in a rush to get into online gaming, it's because they've already done the experimenting years ago (literally, as you just read) and know exactly what they're doing. Not because (as people like some of you assume) they are miserable little buggers and can't be arsed.
--Info taken from Issue 5 of Australian CUBE magazine in the "What has Nintendo ever done for us" feature--
So now Alien, shut up. And that goes for all you complainers, XBox and PS2 fanboys, xBOX LIVE and Sony ONline supporters, and all round idiots.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 24, 2003, 06:34:37 PM
The only Nintendo console to NOT go online was the N64.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2003, 06:47:51 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 25, 2003, 12:51:03 AM
Post by: KatDaddy on September 25, 2003, 10:03:11 AM
I'm an Xbox owner, and there is quite a few titles worth owning for the 'box than is given credit here. And there are two or three different arguments that, well, they just don't hold water (and haven't for the last 2 years or so).
1) "Teh controller is teh suxxorzzz!!111!!...." Give me an f'ing break. Sure the original is a little bit on the large side (although it fits my hands fine), but there's quite a few aftermarket controllers, as well as the Controller S.
2) "Teh Bill Gates is teh evillllzzz!!" No description necessary.
3) "Teh games are teh suxxorzzzz!!!11!!!1!" Again, this is funny as hell. I can put together quite a list off the top of my head that are great games. Also, as for the PC games, I'd much rather play them from the comfort of my leather couch or recliner on my 55"HDTV than from the office chair/desk combo of a desktop computer, but that's just personal preference.
You know, I own an Xbox, and a ton of games for it. Yes, there have been "duds". However, I own a Cube as well, and it has its' share of duds as well. Both systems are quality, in my mind (without bringing out the fanboy in me).
Post by: aoi tsuki on September 25, 2003, 01:14:21 PM
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Termin8, the first Nintendo console to go online was the Famicom. Sorry, just correcting ya. The only Nintendo console to NOT go online was the N64.
i suppose it depends on your definition of "online". Personally i feel that an online console is able to connect to a remote network, not another console. The Super Famicom was the first online console to me. Also, the 64DD had Randnet, which shut down last year if i remember correctly.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 25, 2003, 01:37:23 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on September 25, 2003, 07:04:08 PM
But I have considered buying a broadband adaptor and a copy of PSO for development purposes. (I find Dolwin completely inadequate)
Post by: Marcus Arillius on September 27, 2003, 04:24:13 AM
If they mimic nintendo's price drop I may just have to get an xbox.
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Post by: KnowsNothing on September 27, 2003, 08:31:07 AM
)Just don't let an offer like that go to waste!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2003, 09:42:05 AM
I agree with Grey that there really aren't any titles that would be of interest to a Ninty gamer. The only titles I have right now are Halo(which is NOT the best game of all time...not even close) and DOA3(which is a fun fighting game, but not nearly as much as SCII). The only other titles I'll get are Ninja Gaiden and Rare games. I might have a half-dozen Xbox games before the end of the generation, while my GC collection will rise to more than 2 dozen by the end. Crappy "mature" shoot 'em ups and sports titles do NOT appeal to me and should be the bane of a true gamer
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 27, 2003, 10:13:41 AM
Otherwise, there are a few titles I wouldn't mind owning, namely Halo 1 and 2, Shenmue 2, and Jet Set Radio Future.
Post by: ThePerm on September 27, 2003, 02:45:24 PM
as for why I dont have an xbox. If I had the money to buy all systems i definitely would. I don't because my favorite STYLE of games are made by Nintendo. As far as games go. Xbox doesnt have anyhign out thta interests me in one bit. However, whats comign loois very good. I will be excited to play Fable and Ninja Gaiden on my friends Xbox.
Post by: animex on September 27, 2003, 10:18:32 PM
Post by: Mario on September 28, 2003, 12:20:48 AM
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About extras in Burnout 2: Xbox and GC version are the same! But, graphics is better in Xbox ver., so I can declare Xbox version as the best version. Believe me, I saw all 3 version of Burnout 2.
But the GC version has the best controller.
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Listen me carefully mouse_clicker, N5 will be dead from the beginning if only N5 doesn’t have online service!
lol (thats like, the first time ive ever said lol, oh now ive said it twice)
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Alien, do you realize that less than 5% of Xbox owners actually use Live?
Heh, that sure shut him up.
I might buy an Xbox for Kameo.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 28, 2003, 01:59:38 AM
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Post by: honda_insightful on October 02, 2003, 12:18:36 AM
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Well, there really wasn't an internet structure to work with in the Famicom days. .
Yes there was. I was there hanging out on rec.arts.startrek and emailing friends and playing multi-user games. The internet was alive in the 1980's... and dates back to circa 1970.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2003, 10:57:35 AM
Post by: honda_insightful on October 03, 2003, 02:01:41 AM
Anyway, the original poster was wrong when he said, "there really wasn't an internet structure to work with in the Famicom days," because my primitive Commodore=64 was connected to it back in 1987. I was playing online games way back then.
Post by: PIAC on October 03, 2003, 02:15:45 AM
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Post by: mouse_clicker on October 03, 2003, 11:51:49 AM
Post by: AERO on October 13, 2003, 03:09:01 PM
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Stop being selfish and start thinking about what's best for Nintendo, which is NOT going online right now.
I think I'll stop right there. Thats seriously messed up. Your not going to bed with nintendo or something. Or maybe you are, I'm not here to judge.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 13, 2003, 08:28:33 PM
It's got some pretty cool games, if you don't get one, you'll feel like your missing out
Buuut it's probably not worth it to a lot of people, so you'll feel like you overpaid
...it's kind of a downer either way.
Although I think anybody whining about how much XBox live costs can go man a clownboat, because 50 bux for a kit and a YEAR of service is pretty goddamn cheap, especially since it comes with a full version of Tetris Worlds (it might be something different now), a buncha demos, and the cool headset. That's a fiiiiiiine deal.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 18, 2003, 04:54:02 AM
Because:
Neeeeentendo Gaemmmacooob!
