Post by: honda_insightful on September 14, 2003, 03:22:38 AM
Seems to me that an avid gamer NOT owning a PS2 is like someone shooting themselves in the foot.
So how come you don't own one?
(Just curious.)
Post by: Gup on September 14, 2003, 04:19:09 AM
Post by: Berny on September 14, 2003, 04:37:07 AM
As for the popular games you mentioned the only ones that I might try are FF and Ico. I don't give THREE sh1ts if GTA is the most popular game for PS2; I just will not play that. And I hear that FF is going down the crapper and that the good ones ended at 7 or earlier, so I may as well just dish out $50 for a PS1.
If this is what you call shooting yourself in the foot, then please do it again. I'm perfectly OK with that.
Post by: rpglover on September 14, 2003, 05:00:34 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2003, 07:12:41 AM
The XB wasn't in question. It was too expensive and just the MS brand name was enough to make me hate it.
DVD playback was no factor. In fact I didn't even know about the DVD capabilities of the XB and PS2, but I have a DVD drive in my PC. Well, I don't have any DVDs and don't plan on buying any in the near or distant future, but my CD drive got FUBARed by UT2003 so I figured it would be a waste of money to get another CD drive.
Most of those games you list I don't care for (especially GTA) or can get on the PC with better graphics and controls. Of course not all, but you can't have everything. I don't think I should get a PS2 even if there are games on it I like. I've chosen and I have to live with that choice.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 14, 2003, 07:50:08 AM
1) It's made by Sony.
2) There aren't enough AAA games for me to play on it. The only games I was really dying for on the system were Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Xenosaga.
SH2, SH3, and MGS2 all received very nice PC ports. I discovered I hated MGS2 when I played it on a real PS2 though. Xenosaga remains the one game on PS2 that I absolutely hate living without. But you know what? My new roommate has the game and a PS2. Problem solved. I feel absolutely no need to rent any PS2 games. I am much more enthused about the GCN games coming out. I dislike GTA and their PC ports, I dislike FFX, I dislike DDR and Rez. I am actually kind of fond of Gran Turismo, but my roommate has a copy of GT3, and I haven't even touched it. That says something doesn't it?
THe PS2 just has dick all that really appeals to me. There's about 4 or 5 games that I would probably buy if I owned the system, and no more. My GCN collection seems to be up to 11 games, and there's more I want. (although 2 are extra discs.)
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 14, 2003, 07:53:22 AM
1) It's made by Sony.
2) There aren't enough AAA games for me to play on it. The only games I was really dying for on the system were Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Xenosaga.
SH2, SH3, and MGS2 all received very nice PC ports. I discovered I hated MGS2 when I played it on a real PS2 though. Xenosaga remains the one game on PS2 that I absolutely hate living without. But you know what? My new roommate has the game and a PS2. Problem solved. I feel absolutely no need to rent any PS2 games. I am much more enthused about the GCN games coming out. I dislike GTA and their PC ports, I dislike FFX, I dislike DDR and Rez. I am actually kind of fond of Gran Turismo, but my roommate has a copy of GT3, and I haven't even touched it. That says something doesn't it?
THe PS2 just has dick all that really appeals to me. There's about 4 or 5 games that I would probably buy if I owned the system, and no more. My GCN collection seems to be up to 11 games, and there's more I want. (although 2 are extra discs.)
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 14, 2003, 07:56:32 AM
I personally never buy a system unless there's at least 10 games for it I'm interested in. That was the case with the PS2 for me, after some research. I currently own 9 games, but there's many more that I'd like to get.
My Cube collection is up to 20 now, with some 60 or so more games I'm interested in- THAT'S why I own a Gamecube first and foremost.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on September 14, 2003, 09:45:38 AM
1. The games appeal to me much more than what PS2 has to offer.
2. I can only afford to have one system. God knows I've spent a freaking fortune already just on Gamecube. I'd probably wind up living in a box (or hungry like Grey Ninja was) if I let myself get carried away with more consoles.
Post by: PIAC on September 14, 2003, 10:34:16 AM
i bought my GCN to play nintendo games, and the few third party games that came along that are good, thankfully the GCN has far more third party games i want than the n64. the only reason i would own a PS2 is for RPG's.
Post by: Cap on September 14, 2003, 10:53:26 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 14, 2003, 10:58:17 AM
That should be incentive- if you already had a PS1, why would you need backwards compatibility when you can just play your PS1 games on your PS1? I never had a PS1, so I'm catching up on all it's great games with my PS2.
Anyway, regardless of this whole matter, I think everyone should play Ico at least once- I don't care if you have to rent a PS2, or borrow it from a friend, you all need to play it. That's an order!
Post by: Cap on September 14, 2003, 11:43:40 AM
while i see your point, i can barely find the time and money to buy and play the gamecube titles i'm interested in. i would probably be better off buying a ps1 for cheap with the amount of ps2 titles that i really want to play. rpgs would be my biggest reason to buy a ps2, but theres some great rpgs coming to gamecube fairly soon to drain my wallet a little bit more.
as for ico, its one of the only games that i'm interested in for the ps2. i have never played the game, but i've heard great things about it. theres a sequal coming out as well, isnt there? if the sequal manages to be as good as what i heard about the original, i might buy a ps2 yet.
Post by: rpglover on September 14, 2003, 12:18:46 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 14, 2003, 12:20:42 PM
I mainly have a GC for the exclusives, and GBA connectivity doesn't hurt. Oh yeah, Nintendo doesn't like the idea of pay-to-play online, so there's a plus. I love te controllers much better than the PS(2)'s too.
Post by: Gup on September 14, 2003, 12:42:44 PM
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Oh yeah, Nintendo doesn't like the idea of pay-to-play online, so there's a plus.
So they don't even bother with it, unless you're counting the GameSpy tunneling feature which, by the way, has been available for Xbox and PS2 for a while now.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 14, 2003, 01:11:24 PM
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Originally posted by: honda_insightful
Seems to me that an avid gamer NOT owning a PS2 is like someone shooting themselves in the foot.
So how come you don't own one?
(Just curious.)
I have too many reasons. First of all, the PS2 is so under-powered it's laughable. Gameplay is what matters most, to be sure, but I don't want to spend a fourth of my life waiting through load times. If I buy a PS2, I get less. The graphics are worse and I haven't seen anything yet that blew me away like Rogue Leader. The controller is better than the GameCube's in some ways, but the the Dual Shock is just a SNES rip-off with joysticks attached. My GameCube can't play DVD's, but my PC can. It's also worth noting the PS2 can't read VCD's and S-Video CD's. I'm also dissapointed in the lineup of games.
I'm sure everyone here(especially Mouse Clicker) knows I dislike GTA. It's just not fun for me. I can only think of one exclusive game that I want to play on PS2 and that is Castlevania. Even though the PS2 has more games than GameCube, I am glad I got GameCube. I must have played SSBM for 200 hours. I love Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime, and the PS2 simply doesn't have games of that caliber. Now Viewtiful Joe is coming and I think it's fantastic. This game takes the best aspects of the Matrix and comic books and puts them into a fantastic game. I could go on for hours about Rogue Leader, the Wave Bird, the GameBoy Player, Too Human, and F-Zero, but I don't need to. When it comes down to it, anybody attacking me for choosing the GameCube over the PS2, will never understand that fun is all that matters, and on that note, Nintendo wins.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on September 14, 2003, 03:03:49 PM
So I do own one. Wow.... I didn't recognize the word "own" for a minute.... isn't that veerd?, like being being from Holland, it's freaky deaky dutch.
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 14, 2003, 03:17:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2003, 03:36:03 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 14, 2003, 03:38:55 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 14, 2003, 05:20:57 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on September 14, 2003, 06:24:39 PM
The PS2 opened that door a crack when adding DVD playback. MS opened the door a fair bit more when they made a PC into a console. With the next generation, I am sure that Sony and MS will blow the door clean off. I shudder to think of things like the upcoming PSX from Sony, or the planned HomeStation from MS. It's just not right.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2003, 07:04:20 PM
Post by: honda_insightful on September 15, 2003, 02:23:38 AM
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(1) It's made by Sony. (2) There aren't enough AAA games for me to play on it.
(2) Okay. (1) You don't like Sony products? I have tons of products.... a Stereo, a TV, a Cassette, .....even the original Walkman from the 1980s which still works flawlessly! I have nothing but respect for Sony's electronics. Why do you dislike Sony?
Post by: honda_insightful on September 15, 2003, 02:37:37 AM
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At the time I chose my console I knew about the PS2 that it was released earlier than the other two (didn't know how much, expected 2-3 years) and would be replaced by its successor within a short time and therefore considered it a dying system. Also it is technically inferior and more expensive than the GC, which were also tilting factors. Besides, I hate the PS2 gamepad.
So: (1) The PS2 has a short lifespan (2) It costs ~$50 more (3) It's technically inferior (4) You don't like the controller.
Okay, reason (4) makes no sense to me. I've played on all consoles and all controllers, and I find the differences between them to be trivial. They are all designed essentially the same way (held with both left and right hands), so I don't like or dislike any of them.
(3) The PS2 is slower, and yet that doesn't show on screen. In EBgames I played Soul Calibur on both the Cube and PS2 side-by-side, and the graphics looked the same to my eyes. Any difference was trivial and not visible to my eyes.
(2) Many people own dozens of games costing hundreds of dollars. Me, I've spent over $1000 on 128-bit games. Given that, the $50 difference is trivial.
(1) And finally, if lifespan was your main concern, why the hell did you buy a Cube? That has the shortest lifespan of all the consoles (2001-5) which is far, far less than the PS2 (2000-5). Your reason (1) is totally bogus and illogical. (Actually, the PS2 will probably be as long-lived as the PS1. The PS1 was released in 1996, and it is still in stores 8 years later. I suspect PS2 will follow a similar lifespan... and be alive and well long after the Cube/Xbox disappear.)
Your reasons were interesting, but.... well.... dumb. They don't make much sense, because they ignore the facts. They are not rational.
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Here's why *I* bought the PS2:
- Most popular. History shows that the most popular consoles (Atari, NES, Super Nintendo, PS1) have the most games to choose from. I like variety in my gaming.
- DVD playback. I figured I was getting two pieces of hardware (DVD + games) for a low price ($200). Good deal!
- PS1 compatibility...... I never owned one, so here was my oppotunity to go back and play all the classics like Tomb Raider, Pac-Man World, et cetera!
- I wanted to played FF10/11/12, KH, GT3/4, GTA, NASCAR Heat1/2, Ico, Rez, SC2, DOA: Hardcore, et cetera.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 15, 2003, 03:25:01 AM
Still, though, the actual feature of DVD playback is one that I really like. It's by no means neccessary, since I play my Gamecube far more than my PS2, but I still like having it there.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 15, 2003, 09:08:43 AM
3) It shows only in exclusive games.
2) It was a christmas present. 200 was the absolute top limit. Was hard enough to make my parents buy THAT.
1) It wasn't announced at that time that the N5 would be released earlier (and it seems like this plan is failing anyway) and I had no idea how long the PS2 was out (like I said). BTW, lifespan here meant game releases, not shelf life.
Still, it's 50 bucks more for a weaker piece of hardware that tends to break early. I watch for 10 bucks in Intel/AMD comparisons, so why should I blow that money out on a PS2?
Also I figured N offers the most different titles from what my PC does.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 15, 2003, 12:20:00 PM
It's a proven fact the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 15, 2003, 12:21:30 PM
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 15, 2003, 12:40:27 PM
Although Ico does look incredible.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 15, 2003, 08:37:21 PM
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You can't determine console strength just by looking at games, especially since how good a game looks is mainly a matter of opinion AND it mainly depends on the skill of the developer. Still, though, the XBox and Gamecube are leagues ahead of the PS2.
Although Ico does look incredible.
This article actually makes a lot of sense and clears up some graphics questions on GameCube.
http://forums.g4tv.com/messageview.cfm?catid=8&threadid=54975&STARTPAGE=1
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 16, 2003, 03:27:44 AM
If you look on the last 4 or 5 pages, you'll see the author, Shadow Fox, saying exactly what I'm saying- that you can't determine console strength by looking at games. I think he proves the Gamecube's the most powerful through other methods, but just saying Metroid Prime looks better than FFX isn't doesn't say anything about the technical aspects of each game and console.
Post by: honda_insightful on September 16, 2003, 03:39:04 AM
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Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.
You totally and completely missed my point. My point was that the difference between a top-of-the-line PS2 game (Kingdom Hearts) and a top-of-the-line Cube game (Metroid Prime) is so small as to be unimportant. It's the FUN TIMES with the game that matters, not the looks. (Just like people.)
My PS2 is still nice and shiny because I use it almost every day. Ditto my Nintendo 64 and Super Nintendo. These consoles have the FUN which other consoles are sadly lacking.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 16, 2003, 09:13:07 AM
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Honda_insightful:
It's a proven fact that the PS2 is the weakest. Some PS2 games have horrible load times. Name any PS2 game that looks better than Rogue Leader or Metroid Prime.
You totally and completely missed my point. My point was that the difference between a top-of-the-line PS2 game (Kingdom Hearts) and a top-of-the-line Cube game (Metroid Prime) is so small as to be unimportant. It's the FUN TIMES with the game that matters, not the looks. (Just like people.)
My PS2 is still nice and shiny because I use it almost every day. Ditto my Nintendo 64 and Super Nintendo. These consoles have the FUN which other consoles are sadly lacking.
It's true that fun is all that matters, but excessive load times can add to frustration and drain the fun factor of a game. As all the consoles stand, none of them can hold a candle to the NES and SuperNES. The NES's had such a high number of awesome games like Startropics, Balloon Fight, and Super Metroid that trying to top their fun factor would be futile.
Post by: the_zombie_luke on September 16, 2003, 09:16:01 AM
double post
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 16, 2003, 12:00:09 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 16, 2003, 08:36:05 PM
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There are 2 reasons I do not own a PS2.
1) It's made by Sony.
Well, okay. I can understand your second point. I mean, if the games don't interest you, that's it. But I don't really understand the whole "It's by Sony. F**k it". Lets say the PS3 has the most games that interest YOU in the next generation, would you ignore the chance to play them simply because the console is made by Sony?
Post by: thecubedcanuck on September 17, 2003, 04:24:10 AM
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I shudder to think of things like the upcoming PSX from Sony, or the planned HomeStation from MS. It's just not right.
It is comments like this that make me laugh so hard I nearly piss myself, it is also the reason I put ZERO weight into anything you have to say.
Why the hell is not right?
Simply because it goes against what YOU want?
Just because YOU think it is a bad idea?
Since when did you become such an expert on everything gaming?
Last time I checked the PS2 was the highest selling home console, the evil MS as you call them was tied with Nintendo. Now remember that this is MS's first console and they have tied the long standing NIN already. So when you say it isnt right, you are obviously in the MINORITY as far as the PAYING public is concerned.
What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released, that fits in a nice box and hooks up to a TV? NOTHING! It is what the public wants and I dont blame them, it erases the need for a pile of equipment, it makes having all of the above more affordable, it simplifies things for the average consumer.
Will the PS3 sell, you better believe it will.
You constantly talk about the games being the most important thing, then why do you care so much about the unit that plays them??
Post by: ghostVi on September 17, 2003, 05:34:04 AM
>What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released,...
That's a lie, told by MS. It's questionable even if it can do more the the CURRENT generation consoles.
And I'll try telling you what's wrong with a simple unit (yes it IS simple, and ugly designed inside, compared to whatever-you-like-to-put-here console).
MS LIES to the public, that's why they manage to sell their console. THAT is not right, OK?
It's even questionable if it is actually more powerful than the GC, did you know that? How many have got it just because of this hype? ALL of the paying public gives their money for s**t, because of lies, and I find this wrong. Don't you?
How many use Internet Explorer? Did you know that you DO pay for it (and yes, you can run Windows without IE at all)? ALL of the other browsers on the market are way better currently, both in terms of size/performance, and in terms of UI enhancements....don't get me started on security... Does the paying public know that? Why not? It knows the opposite, it's being lied.
Is an operating system harmful? It's just something running some code, isn't it... we you bet it is (harmful), it steal and robs, it deletes and crashes, it burns your precious many-days work, and you have no choice.
THAT'S what's wrong.
So. How would a unit be harmful? By taking away your right to choose, and that's all MS's "business model" is about, last time I checked. Do you believe a criminal who buys his way out of jail? That's what MS (and hence, xbox) is.
And you know....... MS have the money to make a GOOD console. But instead they chose to put the money in hype and make something ugly and less performing. THERE you can see that "business model" again at work.
This things make me mad man, I can see all of my friends getting lied and robbed, and I can't help that, that's wrong.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on September 18, 2003, 02:21:37 AM
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What is wrong with a unit that plays games, play DVD's, CD's, and might even do more when the next gen is released,...
(Q)That's a lie, told by MS. It's questionable even if it can do more the the CURRENT generation consoles.
And I'll try telling you what's wrong with a simple unit (yes it IS simple, and ugly designed inside, compared to whatever-you-like-to-put-here console).
MS LIES to the public, that's why they manage to sell their console. THAT is not right, OK?...(Q)
How are any of these things lies? Are you saying the next gen of consoles from MS and Sony wont have additional features that the current gen doesnt have?
Also, I could care less what it looks like, and honestly I dont think the x-box or PS2 look bad at all.
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It's even questionable if it is actually more powerful than the GC, did you know that? How many have got it just because of this hype? ALL of the paying public gives their money for s**t, because of lies, and I find this wrong. Don't you?
SO everyone who bought an X-box to date bought it because they believed the lies? I must be the only person who bought it for the games on it I liked. How stupid of me.
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How many use Internet Explorer? Did you know that you DO pay for it (and yes, you can run Windows without IE at all)? ALL of the other browsers on the market are way better currently, both in terms of size/performance, and in terms of UI enhancements....don't get me started on security... Does the paying public know that? Why not? It knows the opposite, it's being lied.
I use IE everyday and think its a great browser, it is better than anything else I have tried. The same goes for windows, after using a buggy MAC for 5 years I was thrilled to go back to a windows based operating system.
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So. How would a unit be harmful? By taking away your right to choose, and that's all MS's "business model" is about, last time I checked. Do you believe a criminal who buys his way out of jail? That's what MS (and hence, xbox) is.
The right to choose is still there, so your point is totally meaningless.
What I gather from reading your post is that you are anti MS without really even knowing why, instead you base your fears on rumor and rhetoric. How sad.
Post by: honda_insightful on September 18, 2003, 02:59:48 AM
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I own both Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime, and while Kingdom Hearts IS a great game, it can't even begin o compare the the incredibility of Metroid Prime.
You're right. I SOLD Metroid Prime because I got bored with it. That world in MP, after you explore it, gets rather boring. Kingdom Hearts I still play again-and-again, because there's tons more variety (~10 different worlds).
As for graphics, I think both games look equally good. I see no difference between the PS2 & Cube graphics.
Post by: ghostVi on September 18, 2003, 06:46:26 AM
Back to your reply...
> How are any of these things lies? Are you saying the next gen of consoles from MS and Sony wont have additional features that the current gen doesnt have?
My mistake, I thought you were referring to the current generation of consoles, not the next. Which is also just hype, but you're right, I can't call these lies (yet).
>SO everyone who bought an X-box to date bought it because they believed the lies? I must be the only person who bought it for the games on it I liked. How stupid of me.
Yes IMHO they do. All of the paying public believes it has better graphics (THAT's really not proven yet), and this is the reason to by an xbox for most of them. You're smart buying a console because of the games. But that's not the case with the general public... at leas not with most of the owners of xbox I've been dealing with (friends, forums etc...).
>I use IE everyday and think its a great browser, it is better than anything else I have tried. The same goes for windows, after using a buggy MAC for 5 years I was thrilled to go back to a windows based operating system.
See? You're the victim man
1) IE is WAY behind the others, just go and try opera 7.20 beta 11 (and they call THIS beta, where it's much more stable than IE 6.0)
2) A buggy MAC, 5 years old! ROFL! 5 years ago there was win98, I'm sure it's not what you're running now
Now... be fair give a try to the current available options, MacOS X, BeOS (although old it's better than XP for multimedia), go burn a KNOPPIX CD, Solaris 9 (with GNOME)..... and there's a lot more. Here you were just proving my point, you don't even KNOW they are worth trying... where's the choice? Go and try buying a PC in California WITHOUT Windows. Or get a refund for not using it. Then come back and tell us what happened, I'll wait patiently the next couple of months for you.>The right to choose is still there, so your point is totally meaningless.
I think I need to clarify my point here. It WOULDN'T have been there if MS was in the position Sony is right now. THAT's my point.
Hope this all doesn't sound to you too offensive, but you're dealing with criminals here, can't let them shut my mouth...
Post by: Round Eye on September 19, 2003, 12:06:28 PM
Micro Soft wants to crash the market and then mold it into its own image. We know this, it is their business model, they are only happy when they have a monopoly on the market. Anyone who buys into the Xbox hype is being suckered, they do not believe in games, they believe in being number 1, making the most money, dominating the market. If you don't believe that, listen to their reps they have stated that mantra on numerous occasions.
To be honest, the reason I do not own a PS2 is that I can not get myself to spend more money on an technically inferiorer system, I know that is shallow, but come on its about as graphically powerfull as an enhanced Dreamcast (no offence to the DC). Were is the in game 5.1 sound? Progressive O/P? I also do not like the idea of an all in one home entertainment box. Sony has to cut too many graphic hardware corners when making a system that trys to do everything for under 300 bucks.
If you think I am shooting myself in the foot for not owning a PS2, I counter that with the same statement back. A gamer would be shooting him/her self in the foot for not owning a GC. The GC is home to a lot of AAA exclusives, and the hardware is top quality.
Post by: adurkee on September 20, 2003, 02:41:46 PM
1) I strongly dislike the controller, I feel it is to small.
2) There are not enough games for it that appeal to me and I would rather stick with my PC and GameCube.
3) The hardware is starting to show its age and it is the least durable of the three consoles.
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 20, 2003, 02:50:46 PM
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You're right. I SOLD Metroid Prime because I got bored with it. That world in MP, after you explore it, gets rather boring. Kingdom Hearts I still play again-and-again, because there's tons more variety (~10 different worlds).
As for graphics, I think both games look equally good. I see no difference between the PS2 & Cube graphics.
In case you missed something, I thought that Metroid Prime was MUCH better than Kingdom Hearts, to the ponit where it's insane to even compare the two. The story was better, the level of exploration was amazing, the puzzles were dynamic, intruiging, and never so hard you get frustrated, and there was so much to do you could beat the game and not have done half of what was available for you to do.
And you have GOT to be kidding about graphics- Kingdom Hearts looks good, but Metroid Prime is one of the most visually stunning videogames I've ever seen, both technically and artistically speaking. Only a blind person would honestly think there was no difference between PS2 and Gamecube graphics, much less between Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime specifically. This goes beyond being a mere opinion and tranverses into the world of stupidity. Does anyone else here ACTUALLY see no graphical difference between the PS2 and Gamecube, or think that Metroid Prime and Kingdom Hearts look equally good?
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To be honest, the reason I do not own a PS2 is that I can not get myself to spend more money on an technically inferiorer system, I know that is shallow, but come on its about as graphically powerfull as an enhanced Dreamcast (no offence to the DC). Were is the in game 5.1 sound? Progressive O/P? I also do not like the idea of an all in one home entertainment box. Sony has to cut too many graphic hardware corners when making a system that trys to do everything for under 300 bucks.
That has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard for not buying a console. Honestly, what bearing do graphics have at all on how well a game plays? Would you not want to buy a Super Nintendo simply because it can't produce graphics as good the Gamecube or Xbox? You look at GAMES when deciding whether or not to buy a console, not graphics.
Besides, if you want to see some pretty stunning graphics on the PS2, I need noly direct you to Ico, which has one incredible visual style, an amazing draw distance, incredibly realistic physics, and some of the best water effects I've seen .
Post by: Gup on September 20, 2003, 07:36:58 PM
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In case you missed something, I thought that Metroid Prime was MUCH better than Kingdom Hearts, to the ponit where it's insane to even compare the two. The story was better, the level of exploration was amazing, the puzzles were dynamic, intruiging, and never so hard you get frustrated, and there was so much to do you could beat the game and not have done half of what was available for you to do.
And you have GOT to be kidding about graphics- Kingdom Hearts looks good, but Metroid Prime is one of the most visually stunning videogames I've ever seen, both technically and artistically speaking. Only a blind person would honestly think there was no difference between PS2 and Gamecube graphics, much less between Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime specifically. This goes beyond being a mere opinion and tranverses into the world of stupidity. Does anyone else here ACTUALLY see no graphical difference between the PS2 and Gamecube, or think that Metroid Prime and Kingdom Hearts look equally good?
KH vs MP, there's no way MP has a better story. It's definitely deep, but it happens through reading instead of cutscenes. As for the graphics between the two, MP is technically better, but I'd rather be looking at KH instead.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on September 20, 2003, 08:28:00 PM
Sure PS2 came out before Cube, but I am also a NIntendo guy, and Nintendo gets first preference.
I don't like RPGs, so not having a PS2 doesn't get my eyes twitching cause none of them are coming to Cube. Unlike some of you guys. This also comes back to not having enough money. The only RPG I'm looking forward to is a huge Pokemon 3D one.
The last game i bought was WW. Go figure. I borrowed Metroid Prime off Mario, and I got Star Fox Adventures for free. I only BUY games if I am really looking forward to them, like GX, MGS, MK
D and others, though I won't be getting them at launch, since i don't have money 
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 20, 2003, 11:39:14 PM
And there's no way I'd rather look at Kingdom Hearts- visual styles aside (in which case I still greatly prefer Metroid Prime), it just looks so much better. Kingdom Hearts has very poor textures and polygon counts by comparison, and it's obvious when you look at the two.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 02, 2003, 12:30:56 AM
QuoteAs someone who's read (and watched) thousands of sci-fi stories, I can tell you Metroid's story was definitely NOT original. It was as old and re-hashed as anything in Kingdom Hearts. Metroid's story can be rtraced all the way back to the 1950's... it's not original.
Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Just because Kingdom Hearts was an RPG doesn't mean it had a better story- in fact, it's story was pretty cheesy and unoriginal, the stuff we've seen a thousand different times in a thousand different games. Metroid Prime made me actually get involved in the story, especially the way it was implimented.
So there. ;-)
Besides, the point was about GRAPHICS. Kingdom Hearts (and soon Gran Turismo 4) demonstrate that the PS2 can produce graphics at least as good as the Cube (but not as good as the Box).
QuoteYEP! That was my original point in the original message = The PS2 has tons of awesome games (and games that don't exist on Cube like DDR)... not owning a PS2 is like shooting yourself in the foot.
That has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard for not buying a console. Honestly, what bearing do graphics have at all on how well a game plays? Would you not want to buy a Super Nintendo simply because it can't produce graphics as good the Gamecube or Xbox? You look at GAMES when deciding whether or not to buy a console, not graphics.
Post by: PIAC on October 02, 2003, 01:17:33 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on October 02, 2003, 10:49:45 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on October 02, 2003, 10:51:06 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2003, 11:09:43 AM
2. Why play DDR on a console? You can get a clone of it for free on PC. Stepmania is an opensource DDR clone.
3. Sony has placed a big PS2 trailer in front of the Braunschweig main station. Apparently the PS2 has like 90% racing games, a few jump&runs, a few RPGs and that annoying Eyetoy. Or at least that's what Sony considers worth playing. My friend went in there hoping for DDR, but there was none... (NOTE: GTA was missing. They are not allowed to display "mature" games in places where kids could see them, GTA is rated 18 here.)
4. More isn't better. If I just wanted MANY games, I'd have stayed with my PC. Absolutely every genre is present there.
Post by: honda_insightful on October 03, 2003, 01:54:42 AM
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And yeah, I could play most games on my PC, but I hate my PC. I hate constantly messing with sound/video cards to make my software work properly. I prefer the plug-n-play simplicity of Consoles. So I play DDR on the PS2.
Post by: PIAC on October 03, 2003, 02:20:22 AM
the PS2 doesn't have nintendo games, and if that is all someone wants a console for then there is no reason to get a ps2 (there is one example of it not having any good games)
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2003, 06:57:03 AM
BTW, the PS2 is now a PC as well.
Post by: GoldShadow1 on October 10, 2003, 07:19:37 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 10, 2003, 08:35:58 AM
Cost isn't really an issue (I could easily afford all three consoles) but rather time. I don't really have enough free time to support more than one console. There are only so many games one with a full time job can play and when you limit yourself to one console you put an automatic restriction on the amount of titles available to you.
I've also always been a one console kind of guy and I find it's usually the most fun situation. When you have more than one console I find you tend to focus more on the big games because really that's all you have time for. However when you have only one console you tend to pay more attention to more minor titles that you wouldn't normally have given a second look. There are a lot of Cube titles that I've rented that had I owned a PS2 as well I probably wouldn't have tried out and I think that would have been my loss. I would probably have never played Ikaruga for example if I owned another console. Getting really familiar with one console's lineup can be a lot more enjoyable then picking out key titles from each console.
I've also found that the PS2 just doesn't have enough games I'm really into to justify a purchase at the current price. Maybe if they made another pricecut I would but right now there's only like maybe 5 PS2 titles I'm interested in. And that's covering the overall PS2 lifespan. I could easily think of 5 Cube titles I want for just the next six months.
Although it's not perfect the Gamecube does do a pretty good job of providing me with the titles I want to play. I find that the PS2 provides a different type of gaming experience than the Gamecube at isn't an experience I find as interesting or enjoyable.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 18, 2003, 04:55:12 AM
Because:
Joe! Viewtiful Joe!
And of course:
Neeeentendo Gaemmmacooob!
Post by: MeddmaWamm on October 18, 2003, 05:32:02 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 18, 2003, 05:37:11 AM
sort of.
Post by: Uglydot on October 18, 2003, 11:36:14 AM
