Post by: Swordsplay on September 11, 2003, 07:33:25 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2003, 07:41:58 AM
Story: Most likely a direct sequel that involves the X-parasite from Metroid Fusion
Post by: Sirmorphix on September 11, 2003, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on September 11, 2003, 08:58:59 AM
If you have seen the third 100% ending, then you see a replica of Samus coming out of what is left of Metroid Prime. I believe a Phazon-induced replica of Samus will run around causing havoc.
Post by: rpglover on September 11, 2003, 09:03:08 AM
Post by: Rich on September 11, 2003, 11:32:15 AM
now what I'm thinking is that after Samus beat the Metriod Prime boss she left but it wasn't dead, and when Samus left the thing got up and needed to suck energy to become whole again and after a while it finds Samus, sucks her energy till shes almost dead and becomes whole but it was still weak. So it ran away to amass more power while Samus recovered from the attack, you probably lose your suits and stuff during this attack and have to go find them before you can fight the final boss. but you know what i would like to see, I want to meet up with another bounty hunter or maybe a whole group of them and they could be you enemies during the game and you have to kill all of them. This would also open up multiplayer.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 11, 2003, 01:19:05 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 11, 2003, 07:42:40 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 12, 2003, 02:56:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
This may be a dumb assumption, but wouldn't Metroid Prime 2 be the sequel to. . . Metroid Prime?
No-no-no-no... Metroid "Double Prime" like what the 2nd derivative in calculus is (!!)
*_*
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2003, 03:06:21 PM
Post by: Berny on September 12, 2003, 03:22:23 PM
Metroid 6: Phazon Suit Resurrection! or Metroid: The Return of Samus AND Her Now Evil Phazon Suit. Or how bout a nice cup o' shut the hell up?
Post by: DRJ on September 12, 2003, 03:38:00 PM
I would like if there was a multiplayer training option in the game. think about this. Samus has a holodeck type of room on her ship, so she can upload any enemy that she scanned and then a second player can play as those. Of course they would have to be more powerful so 1-2 shots wont kill em, but I think that would be pretty cool. It would also give you incentive to scan all the bosses so that you can play as them in the training mode.
Of course Metroid Prime was so good that I will automatically purchase the sequel no matter what.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2003, 03:48:39 PM
Post by: DRJ on September 12, 2003, 05:15:11 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on September 13, 2003, 03:18:06 AM
I just hope MP2 is innovative enough and does actually make a leap in graphics unlike the screens weve seen so far
Post by: ShockingAlberto on September 13, 2003, 03:22:25 AM
(Fusion spoilers)
In any case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Fusion suit destroyed just before the end of Fusion? I'm pretty sure I fought that giant X just before my ship in only the Varia suit. I doubt Prime 2 will be about anything other than the Phazon suit, anyway. I doubt the game will have anything to do with Space Pirates, as Samus is supposed to believe she eliminated them all until Super Metroid. Fusion's ending, especially Samus' criminal actions, just doesn't lend itself to a sequel that easily.
(/Fusion Spoilers)
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 13, 2003, 03:37:37 AM
really small spoiler:
you had the varia suit when fighting mr. last boss in Metroid Fusin, correct?
You can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't rightly remember.
Post by: Mario on September 13, 2003, 03:56:09 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 13, 2003, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 13, 2003, 12:08:59 PM
Hostile: It probably will be called Metroid Prime 2, to signify that it's a sequal to Metroid Prime[ specifically rather than another full entry in the series.
Post by: iTZKooPA on September 13, 2003, 12:56:10 PM
Post by: Moonwatcher on September 13, 2003, 04:11:06 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 13, 2003, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Molobert on September 13, 2003, 06:09:52 PM
Post by: Djunknown on September 13, 2003, 07:37:43 PM
Interesting is the fact that while Nintendo's other franchises have 'families' to them (Mario and Luigi and Co., Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Various other Races, the Star Fox crew, Kirby and that mouse, etc..) Metroid simply had 2 factions: Samus and the enemy. I would welcome the chance for a 3rd faction, whether be it friendly, neutral or hostile to Samus.
Multiplayer? Its as simple as turning auto aim off, no biggie, just gotta learn to aim.
Perhaps an optional Co-op LAN? That would spice things up if you have the gear.
Post by: The Omen on September 14, 2003, 02:08:54 AM
Also, i heard some rumblings that the previous Metroids will be released as a bonus disk, anyone else hear this?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2003, 06:44:15 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on September 16, 2003, 05:38:55 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 16, 2003, 01:36:55 PM
I think the space jump boots work fine for levitation type stuff, but I thought they could do some cool puzzles and have some neat enemy battles if they included a seismic visor (you know, a visor that detects movements underground through seismic waves). They could definitely include a kick@ss boss fight if they used that, at the very least.
Post by: Swordsplay on September 18, 2003, 05:37:13 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 18, 2003, 04:20:02 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 18, 2003, 04:23:49 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 18, 2003, 04:25:53 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 18, 2003, 04:47:43 PM
A burrowing boss would rule...
Post by: Moonwatcher on September 18, 2003, 07:49:05 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on September 18, 2003, 10:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Zelda has always been a single player game, but The 4 Swords was an *extremely* fun game.
I'm sorry but I really get tired of hearing that as an example to why multi-player in Metroid would work just fine. Four Swords was just a bonus type thing that was added to a port of ALttP. It's really no different than having Mario Bros. added in with all the Mario GBA ports. In other words Four Swords is not a regular Zelda game that also had normal single player action. It was made for the sole purpose of multi-player.
Now if you could come in here and say, "hey they had multi-player in Wind Waker and it was extremely fun" then that would be a different story.
As for my own personal bitching about multi-player and Metroid someone else had brought up a good point on another board. The only reason people want multi-player in Metroid Prime 2 is because they think it's a first person shooter and there's some unwritten rule that FPSs must have multi-player. NEWS FLASH: METROID PRIME AND METROID PRIME 2 ARE NOT FPS AND THEREFORE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO OBEY ANY UNWRITTEN FPS RULES. The only thing Prime has in common with FPS is that they are both in the FPV but that's it.
And if you think that little theory is stupid then why don't you have topics like "Zero Mission SHUD HAEV MULTIPLAEYR!111! OMG". It's because it's a sidescroller and therefore no one mistakes it for a FPS.
Honestly though I have a feeling that whatever multi-player Retro puts into Prime 2 it will not be classic FPS multi-player. It will probably end up being something that for the most part is lame and has something to do with GBA connectivity. I imagine that it will be more like little mini game type crap. Think Morph Ball racing and the like.
One more thing Samus still had the Fusion Suit at the end of Metroid Fusion. I don't know why this is so confusing for some people. Just watch the ending cinema for the game and you can clearly see she's still wearing the Fusion Suit. When Samus grabbed the SA-X's Core X it simply upgraded the Fusion Suit so it could shoot the Ice Beam. It also turned the suit orange (the main point of confusion) but that's it. Just look at screen shots of Metroid Fusion's ending by clicking here. When she's talking to Adam you can clearly see that she's still wearing the Fusion Suit.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 19, 2003, 04:24:31 AM
As I said before, morph ball racing would rock so much
Post by: Rich on September 19, 2003, 11:27:15 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 20, 2003, 06:29:44 AM
Moonwatcher, I loved the music for Metroid Prime, and would love to hear it again. But I think I know what you mean, and while I disagree a tad, having that in Prime 2 would also be very cool.
Four swords is turning into a full fledged game, isn't it, with the GBA and GC connection? Well, whatever. Anyway, there are more multiplayer mode options that just plain cloning Samus.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 20, 2003, 06:47:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Moonwatcher
Don't get me wrong, the music in Prime was great, but I'd like to see a big change in that area for the next game. None of the music in Prime was bad, however, it wasn't very metroidy. You know? I'd like to see (or hear, whatever) something less techno and more organic/orchestrated sounding. I've been spoiled by Super Metroid I know. That game had one of the best soundtracks ever. This isn't an area that I'm really worried about though. I know whatever the soundtrack is like, it will be good. I'd just be overjoyed to see anything close to the SM soundtrack.
How about Phenandra Drifts? That is some high-class orchestrated music ^_^
Post by: Plugabugz on September 20, 2003, 10:58:15 AM
I'm fully confident that Retro Studios can take the same music and throw a new twist on it for Prime 2.
Post by: Swordsplay on September 25, 2003, 04:35:25 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 25, 2003, 05:12:46 AM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on September 27, 2003, 06:07:43 AM
- More interconnected maps. All of the other Metroid games had maps that were very full and compact that were constantly connecting with each other, having all sorts of shortcuts and secret passages. Metroid Prime had a little of this, but the maps were so sparse - the game had long sections where there were few or no choices on which way to go. Also, it seems very apparent when you look at the 3D map.
- Warp points. This is something that was annoying in Super Metroid, but even more annoying in Metroid Prime. It's hard to blame Retro for staying by Metroid's roots, but I got tired of the backtracking, especially to certain places like Phendrana Drifts or whatever it was called, where you had to go through ___ first. Metroid Fusion didn't have this problem because of its map setup where everything connected to a central point, but that would seem artificial outside of the context of a space station. This kind of formulaic map hurt Majora's Mask IMO, so I'd much prefer the warp point solution. After seeing how well it works in games like Castlevania and Zelda, I would definitely expect this improvement.
- Customized map labels. It's not a huge thing, but I would like to be able to mark on my map when I see a missile pack that I can't pick up yet. It would eliminate the trouble I always have trying to backtrack to a place that I still haven't opened because I can't remember what the obstacle standing in my way is.
Post by: Swordsplay on October 07, 2003, 04:36:53 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 07, 2003, 04:39:21 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 07, 2003, 05:00:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 07, 2003, 05:08:25 AM
Maybe it's a new race of hostile Chozo then? Damn it, E3 is too far away...
Post by: Swordsplay on October 07, 2003, 05:12:55 AM
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"I do! If you read the logbook it tells you. A chozo ghost is a fallen chozo, they are to guard the artifacts against anything that moves even if it is against their will to and even if they are frieds with the chozo. They are supposed to spend all eternity protecting the artifacts from everything even samus. Thats why the chozo lore said, "We hope the newborn (Samus) will find the artifacts, and we will guard her for she must be weary (caustious) of the chozo ghosts." Or something like that. If you fill 100% of your logbook, which i have by the way, and read all of the chozo lore and pirate reasearch, you find some interesting information of what happend in the past, present and possible future. It even has clues on what happend in Samus's past. Pretty interesting who her supposed parents are."
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Post by: PIAC on October 07, 2003, 10:41:30 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 07, 2003, 11:11:14 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 09, 2003, 05:26:09 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2003, 05:28:59 AM
And I never noticed the claws...I deleted the trailer too so I can't check right now...
It was the face that made me think it was something else. Perhaps it's a space pirate mutated with Phazon? I think it was pretty clear at the end of MP that it wouldn't be the last we would see of it ^_^
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 09, 2003, 08:03:24 AM
I'm guessing that one of the reasons that people are thinking it's a Chozo is due to the beak. Well the Space Pirates have beaks too. Actually I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Chozos and the Space Pirates are distantly related. Kind of like how in Star Trek the Vulcans and Romulans are related but are very different. I think it would be a neat twist.
One thing that I find interesting is that if you look closely at the Space Pirates in Metroid Prime none of them have the lobster claws like the Super Metroid and Fusion Space Pirates do. They had actual fingers. What makes this so weird is that the art depiction of the Space Pirate in the Metroid Prime manual does have the lobster claws. I wonder why they decided to change this?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2003, 08:17:03 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 09, 2003, 08:56:52 AM
You do bring up something I really hadn't thought of Bill. The Prime Space Pirates would of course predate the Super and Fusion Space Pirates so maybe something does happen with them (like Phazon) that causes the change. The fact that there is suddenly a clawed Space Pirate in Metroid Prime 2 seems to backs this up.
Post by: Swordsplay on October 10, 2003, 05:44:59 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2003, 06:47:27 AM
Riddle me that
Is that why Omega
is so damn fat?
There has to be
a reason you see
for space pirates with knobs
to flop them with lobs'
knobs = fingers...lobs = short for lobster ^_^
So I was right the first time with the timeline...Something must happen for this weird change to take place...A new hybrid of the phazon, or even the X parasite are possibilities...but until we get hardcore proof, this is just dust in the wind...
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 10, 2003, 10:35:51 AM
Probably not, but it'd be funny to know that this argument was in vain
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2003, 12:30:22 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 13, 2003, 09:14:12 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2003, 10:24:15 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 13, 2003, 10:43:18 AM
Post by: ghostVi on October 13, 2003, 12:13:21 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2003, 12:20:11 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 14, 2003, 09:45:29 AM
LOL
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 14, 2003, 12:05:35 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 14, 2003, 01:33:07 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 14, 2003, 01:46:11 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 14, 2003, 08:52:28 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 15, 2003, 03:07:33 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 15, 2003, 05:18:10 PM
So I think Ridley was probably hard.
Post by: Swordsplay on October 22, 2003, 05:05:28 AM
What is the coolest looking boss in the game?
What is the ugliest looking boss in the game?
Coolest looking: Probably Thardus the rock monster
Ugliest looking: Omega Pirate definitely
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 22, 2003, 12:25:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2003, 12:28:25 PM
I like Meta-Ridley too, but not as much as the Parasite Queen...Plus, her boss music is the best out of all of them ^_^
Post by: Swordsplay on October 22, 2003, 08:52:18 PM
How on earth does samus roll up into a tiny tiny ball? Either she is the most flexible thing on the planet or it has to do something with the suit, what exactly is it? Oh, also, it you read the pirate log, the pirates tried creating pirates that could roll up into a tiny ball like samus, each and everyone of them died trying it, it was hilarious when i read it! LOL.
Post by: Swordsplay on October 23, 2003, 04:59:48 AM
I've always wondered this.
How on earth does samus roll up into a tiny tiny ball? Either she is the most flexible thing on the planet or it has to do something with the suit, what exactly is it? Oh, also, it you read the pirate log, the pirates tried creating pirates that could roll up into a tiny ball like samus, each and everyone of them died trying it, it was hilarious when i read it! LOL.
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Not only that, but what does samus use as an energy source, and where does she keep it? You know she can hold a maximum of 250 missiles in the game, where does she keep them? I can't find the missile rack. Can someone answer all these questions, cuz i cant. LOL.
Also, in Chozo ruins by the save point near Hive Mecha (the boss that shot bees at you, and your reward was the missile launcher). There is a mirror there, and if you get close enough, you can see your reflection, and if you look in the mirror and jump, you can see Samus jump, the reflection made her look cheezy instead of cool looking. It was kinda weird. I also noticed, if you hit an enemy with the power beam and it bounces off of them and hits you (which is hard to do, but ive done it), it hurts you.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 23, 2003, 05:13:47 AM
As for Samus' missles...I wonder more where Mario keeps his fireballs and where Link stashes all his gear...Like how can he walk normally if he takes off his iron boots? He still has them on him!
Post by: ghostVi on October 23, 2003, 08:08:58 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 24, 2003, 08:52:05 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 24, 2003, 10:38:16 PM
Mmmmm, interesting point. Ok, what exactly is the screw attack? Cuz it wasn't in metroid prime (sadly). The pirate log gives clues that the chozo didn't raise her, but metroids (good ones, not evil ones that suck your face off)! I thought this was interesting. They also call her the newborn or hatchling which gives the suspicision, that Samus isn't quite human. Hmmmmmm? The questions this game raises.
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One more thing, the phazon suit is the best suit in the game, but if you read your log book (if you filled it up enough), it tells you it corroded her power suit, and it suggests that if she wears it to long, it will take over her. Also pretty interesting.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2003, 10:59:04 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 25, 2003, 07:47:34 AM
Doesn't Samus have chozo blood in her?
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That's possible, yet in prime it sort of suggests she is raised by metroids, and found by the chozo with the metroid dead, so they continued to raise her yet they called her the newborn or hatchling. I still think she has metroid blood in her, why? Because number 1 the use the word metroid in the name of the game, and 2 metroids love to hunt, and so does Samus, metroids live on energy and try to find more, Samus lives on energy, without it she would die and she tries to find more energy tanks. That's why she seems more of a metroid then a chozo.
Post by: CHEN on October 25, 2003, 08:28:02 AM
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Post by: Swordsplay on October 27, 2003, 05:03:44 AM
Post by: PIAC on October 27, 2003, 07:52:44 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 27, 2003, 10:15:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Swordsplay
That's possible, yet in prime it sort of suggests she is raised by metroids, and found by the chozo with the metroid dead, so they continued to raise her yet they called her the newborn or hatchling. I still think she has metroid blood in her, why? Because number 1 the use the word metroid in the name of the game, and 2 metroids love to hunt, and so does Samus, metroids live on energy and try to find more, Samus lives on energy, without it she would die and she tries to find more energy tanks. That's why she seems more of a metroid then a chozo.
Woah! What were you smoking when you imagined that? Raised by Metroids? Good grief. No where in any game does it say anything like that.
The Metroid Prime manual says that the Space Pirates attacked planet K-2L which is where Samus was living. The Space Pirates killed her parents and then the Chozo found her and raised her as their own. She was never raised by Metroids.
It also says, "Trained as a warrior and infused with Chozo blood, Samus Aran donned a Chozo made Power Suit and cut a swath through the Space Pirates' operation".
Read your instructions manuals people! Hell, with the Metroid series just reading the manuals can make you an expert of the games.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 27, 2003, 03:36:32 PM
No really, that would be awesome. Also, do you think there are going to be many new gun upgrades. I mean they threw out some old ones to make way for a new one. I'd like to see the return of combining beams (i.e. wave and ice). Also I always wanted a sniping mode on a gun or at least a visor that can zoom in and out. Is that too much? I mean why wouldn't samus be able to zoom in and out (scan mode blew). Couple that with a super accurate rail gun that is only effective at peircing the neck of a space pirate (to keep it from being cheap). Also it would be cool if samus can project a hologram in a 50 yard radius, for such diversions tactics to help you figure out how to kill the boss, with out taking the heat.
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 27, 2003, 04:02:02 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 27, 2003, 04:39:32 PM
Post by: PIAC on October 27, 2003, 08:31:47 PM
take THAT mother brain! perhaps some carazy fundimentalist good guys that got attacked or something by the space pirates started to experiment on metroid/metroid DNA to form their own evil army of demonic shower caps (aka metroids ;P) every game needs some good crazy fundimentalists, oh yeah (meta)kraid needs to make a return
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 27, 2003, 11:29:12 PM
Post by: PIAC on October 28, 2003, 12:23:31 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 28, 2003, 01:36:48 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 28, 2003, 04:05:28 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 28, 2003, 04:21:52 AM
(no money! grrr..)But I know for a fact that the metroid that saved Samus was the one from Super Metroid...
Post by: Swordsplay on October 28, 2003, 04:44:57 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 28, 2003, 09:43:41 AM
Metroid:
Basically what happens is that the planet SR388 has recently been discovered and the Galactic Federation is doing research there. They have discovered a new life form that they dub Metroid. They were about ready to leave the planet and take the Metroid to Earth so it could be studied. However they are attacked by the Space Pirates who steal the Metroid. They find out what the Metroids are capable of and take it to their secret base planet Zebes where they plan to multiply the Metroid and use it as a weapon. The Galactic Federation makes several attempts to retrieve the Metroid from Zebes but they fail. They decide to hire the most famous bounty hunter Samus Aran. She is able to penetrate Zebes and kill all the Metroids there (or so she thinks). After she defeats the leader of the Space Pirates the Mother Brain a time bomb is set and she escapes to the surface of the planet just in time before Tourian is destroyed. For clarification only the Mother Brain's secret lair Tourian was destroyed.
Metroid Prime:
I won't go in to this since I assume most people here have played it.
Metroid II: The Return of Samus:
The Galactic Federation decides to go to the planet of SR388 and wipe out the Metroid population because of the threat they pose. They make several attempts but all fail. Once again they turn to Samus to get the job done. She kills all the Metroids on the planet including the Queen Metroid. Just outside of the Queen Metroid's nest Samus discovers an unhatched Metroid egg. She's about to destroy it when it hatches. The Metroid Hatchling mistakes Samus for its mother and Samus can't destroy it because she takes pity on the thing. Instead she packs it up and takes it to the research station Ceres.
Super Metroid:
After taking a break on the research station Ceres, Samus decides everything is okay and leaves. She barely gets out of the docking bay when she receives a message that the space station is under attack. She returns to discover that Ridley is in the middle of stealing the Hatchling. He escapes and Samus must flee as the space station is baddly damaged and is ready to explode. She follows Ridley to Zebes where she begins her search to find the Metroid Hatchling. Toward the end of the game as she begins venturing into the Mother Brains new Tourian she is attacked by the Metroid Hatchling which has grown to be quite large. It sucks almost all of Samus's energy before it recognizes who she is at which point it quickly leaves. When Samus is battling the Mother Brain she discovers that the Mother Brain is nearly invulnerable. Just as the Mother Brain is about to finish Samus the Metroid Hatchling swoops in sucking the Mother Brain's energy away and then giving it to Samus. However even though appearing dead the Mother Brain quickly regenerates and attacks the Metroid Hatchling killing it. As the Hatchling dies it falls on Samus giving her the Hyper Beam. With the Hyper Beam Samus is able to make quick work of the Mother Brain. After Samus has destroyed the Mother Brain a time bomb is set and Samus must escape as the entire planet is about to be destroyed.
Metroid Fusion:
Basically due to Samus destroying all the Metroids on SR388 the X parasite has been able to multiply and thrive taking over the planet. You see it is discovered that the Chozo created the Metroids to combat the terrifying mimicking X parasite. The Galactic Federation is collecting life forms from SR388 for its research station orbiting the planet. They ask Samus to acompany the research team since she has had experience with the planet before. While on SR388 she is infected with the X Parasite. She nearly dies due to this but it is discovered that by splicing Samus's DNA with that of the Metroid Hatchling she will become immune to the X parasite and will even be able to absorb them and use them for energy. Apparently unknown to Samus they had taken a sample of the Metroid Hatchlings DNA and sent it to the Galactic Federation before Ridley attacked Ceres. Anyway in the process of saving Samus much of her Power Suit had to be removed leaving her with the Fusion Suit. Anyway the X Parasite has managed to infect the space station orbiting SR388. She goes there to find out what is going on and eradicate the X Parasite. While there she discovers that the Galactic Federation has been secretly cloning Metroids using the Metroid Hatchling's DNA. Samus has a final show down with a full grown Omega Metroid when the SA-X jumps in to defeat its natural enemy. However the Omega Metroid proves to much for the SA-X and Samus manages to capture its Core-X giving her the ability to shoot the Ice Beam. With the Ice Beam Samus destroys the Omega Metroid and flees the space station as it crashes into the planet SR388 completely destroying it and apparently SR388 as well.
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 28, 2003, 09:57:56 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 28, 2003, 05:00:38 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 29, 2003, 04:35:43 AM
Post by: ExtremeGcube on October 29, 2003, 07:12:41 AM
I played through metroid fusion but I missed where it said that the chozo created the metroids.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on October 29, 2003, 07:40:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Swordsplay
I heard that they might delay metroid prime 2 and put it on a different system. Is this true? If it is, im gonna be pissed!
I doubt that,we probably wont be seeing new systems until 2005, and Im sure Prime 2 will be released in 2004.
Its been in dev ever since MP1 finished and the engine plus basic concept is already there
Post by: Gibdo Master on October 29, 2003, 08:11:31 AM
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Originally posted by: ExtremeGcube
Just a quick question:
I played through metroid fusion but I missed where it said that the chozo created the metroids.
Ugh. Read the manual.
FROM PAGE 40 OF THE FUSION MANUAL:
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A BRIEF HISTORY LESSON
While is has come to light in recent years that the Metroids were created by the ancient Chozo civilization, it is no common knowledge that they were created for the purpose of driving out the X parasites.
At some point in the past, the X parasites, which posses a terrible propagation power, threatened to overwhelm the ecosystem of their home world SR388 with their vast numbers. Something was needed to check this impending disaster. That “something” came in the form of the Metroids.
When the Metroids, the X parasites’ only known predators, were made extinct by Samus’s hand, the X parasites once again began to multiply with ferocious speed. Ironically, the X parasites were subsequently responsible for nearly killing Samus when they infested her Power Suit.
In a further twist, Samus’s life was saved by an injection of an experimental vaccine containing Metroid DNA. As the inheritor of the Metroids’ powers, Samus becomes the only being capable of opposing the X parasite horde.
In a piece of ancient Chozo literature, an interesting reference to Metroids was found. It seems that the word Metroid in the Chozo language can be roughly translated as “ultimate warrior.” With the introduction of Metroid DNA to her system, the reborn Samus Aran is perhaps the most appropriate successor to this title of ultimate warrior.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on October 29, 2003, 10:25:15 AM
I mean, seriosuly. I've had enough of prophesies, legends, and foretellings of a single being who would be the saviour of their kind - Neo as The One in Matrix, Anakin Skywalker as the Chosen One in Star Wars, even Jet Li in The One - it's all so cliched now.
Although, I am looking forward to Matrix Revolutions (which comes out next week! Who's going to the marathon? I am! YAY!) and Episode 3 which comes out in 2005.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2003, 11:17:27 AM
That's all you have to know...
Post by: Sirmorphix on October 29, 2003, 11:49:38 AM
Can't mess with the force.
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As far as Metroid Prime 2 goes the most important factor in my purchase decision will be wether or not the game is the same Gameplay wise as Metroid Prime. To be honest I loved Metroid Prime, but I don't think I want to play the exact same game twice.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2003, 01:05:13 PM
All I know is the more morphball, the better...
Post by: mouse_clicker on October 29, 2003, 01:06:23 PM
Post by: Sirmorphix on October 29, 2003, 01:21:15 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2003, 01:27:49 PM
In lameness
The Hobbit > Lord of the Rings trilogy
Post by: Swordsplay on October 29, 2003, 07:27:44 PM
Post by: PIAC on October 29, 2003, 07:37:10 PM
aussie thread > this thread
GCN metroid prime 2 > N5 metroid prime 2
2d > 3d
*> key falls off*
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 30, 2003, 01:40:58 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on October 30, 2003, 03:05:50 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2003, 03:16:36 AM
Now back on topic...
It would be interesting if you had allies in this next game...Not human allies, but Chozo or Metroid allies. In some parts you could lead a small group of allies into combat with the space pirates...Or perhaps in a part of the game you find a warzone between space pirates and local lifeforms...Even if it was scripted, that would be pretty cool...
Post by: Swordsplay on October 30, 2003, 04:22:37 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on October 30, 2003, 09:48:31 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 30, 2003, 11:51:03 AM
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All hail Hostile Creation! *bows down*
That's going in my sig!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2003, 11:54:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill
*throws rock at Hostile*
This one is soooo much better...
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 30, 2003, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: PIAC on October 30, 2003, 10:17:19 PM
i want metroid prime 2 to be 2d again, that would be off the funk-o-meter AND the jazz-o-tronic device.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2003, 02:31:21 AM
Though I do want more 3rd person morphball segments...
Multiplayer Morphball Racing!
Post by: Swordsplay on October 31, 2003, 05:08:40 AM
Lol
Post by: PIAC on October 31, 2003, 06:18:12 AM
Post by: Odin on October 31, 2003, 06:22:49 AM
Post by: PIAC on October 31, 2003, 06:25:47 AM
Post by: Odin on October 31, 2003, 06:34:30 AM
I would like to see more cutscenes. That was my only complaint with Metroid Prime. The Map was excellent! The musical score.... outstanding! The gameplay... wonderful! I just wish they would've done a little more.... It was an excellent transition, I agree with you PIAC. Not bad for an American, Texas based developer, huh?
Post by: Plugabugz on November 01, 2003, 12:47:27 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on November 01, 2003, 02:48:14 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Hostile CreationQuote
All hail Hostile Creation! *bows down*
That's going in my sig!
I'm in someone's sig! I'm honoured
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 01, 2003, 11:32:28 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 01, 2003, 12:33:43 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 01, 2003, 12:37:43 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 01, 2003, 12:55:50 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 01, 2003, 01:15:18 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2003, 01:59:34 PM
I also want to see more morphball puzzles like the one you have to maneuver through before you get the Plasma cannon...
Post by: Swordsplay on November 03, 2003, 04:19:06 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 03, 2003, 07:57:49 PM
Post by: PIAC on November 03, 2003, 08:27:53 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on November 03, 2003, 08:55:48 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 04, 2003, 04:30:49 AM
Post by: StRaNgE on November 04, 2003, 06:12:00 AM
a huge benefit.
i personally remember when i 1st got prime i would sitthere and morph ball again and again just to see the 3rd person view for a minute or so. lol
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 04, 2003, 06:23:41 AM
QuoteAnd it's also impossible to do...Playing in 3rd person would make the game an absolute pain...
Originally posted by: StRaNgE
to be able to toggle back and forth between 1st and 3rd person at all times would be great.
a huge benefit.
Post by: Gibdo Master on November 04, 2003, 09:25:42 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on November 04, 2003, 01:23:07 PM
I want controller configuration options. I value this above any option to tweak sound or screen size. I want to be able to togle through my weapons using the dpad for both guns and visions. I want to be able to asign the triggers for shooting and jumping so that my thumbs can concentrate on using the c stick for forward, backward, and straffing movement freeing up my control stick for camera assignments. At least include two defaults or more for those of us who don't ride on the short bus and can control two joysticks at once. I'd like the setup to be more user friendly, simpler. I don't like having to stop to look to target to straff only to target the turet that is already dead 6 times while two other turrets and a pirate blast away at me. The gameplay is vertical and horizontal. Targeting works best in horizontal situations like in Zelda. I don't like double functioning buttons that are used to target and switch the joystick to straffing in circles. I want freedom to move and look any way I want as fast as I can.
Most of all I want varying levels of AI. I want the pirates to have some smarts to them. I don't want to make the game Halo but I want the enemies to be more like thinking animals than machines.
Post by: Plugabugz on November 05, 2003, 02:42:49 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 06, 2003, 04:36:14 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2003, 06:01:14 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 06, 2003, 07:02:29 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 08, 2003, 09:07:01 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 08, 2003, 10:09:17 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 09, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 09, 2003, 04:21:36 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 10, 2003, 04:07:38 AM
Post by: ghostVi on November 10, 2003, 04:18:33 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 10, 2003, 02:25:24 PM
Post by: ghostVi on November 10, 2003, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 10, 2003, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 11, 2003, 08:59:23 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 18, 2003, 04:33:30 AM
Regular suit
varia suit
phazon suit
gravity suit
fusion suit
etc.
and each will have its pros and cons
Post by: Swordsplay on November 24, 2003, 02:10:25 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 29, 2003, 08:16:31 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on November 30, 2003, 04:46:24 AM
PAL Terrorities should should see it by Early 2005, I hope.
Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2003, 08:20:20 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on November 30, 2003, 09:41:28 AM
Post by: Berny on November 30, 2003, 02:55:04 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 08, 2003, 08:01:17 AM
Post by: DrZoidberg on December 08, 2003, 08:15:40 AM
nice thread necromancy.
Post by: Smashman on December 08, 2003, 12:13:37 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 09, 2003, 07:16:17 AM
Post by: Polemistis on December 09, 2003, 04:06:16 PM
or maybe im just not that good at the game?lol...anyway I loved MP! Can't wait for the release of MP2!
Post by: Shift Key on December 10, 2003, 12:12:13 AM
And you gotta go further then that! You missed two of the best boss fights evah!The showdown at the Chozo Temple with Meta-Ridley is my favourite boss battle since Ganon/dorf in OoT
Post by: Swordsplay on December 10, 2003, 03:38:57 AM
*SPOILERS*
i liked omega pirate more than ridley
Post by: Berny on December 10, 2003, 09:46:07 AM
Anyways, I don't know what you are talking about. Ridley ownes Omega Pirate. The Omega Pirate was too hard to beat.
Post by: savanna03 on December 10, 2003, 12:46:30 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 10, 2003, 01:15:41 PM
If so, may i have evidence?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2003, 01:36:51 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2003, 02:07:19 PM
Post by: Berny on December 10, 2003, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2003, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 11, 2003, 07:23:04 AM
Post by: ghostVi on December 12, 2003, 03:28:41 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 14, 2003, 07:12:58 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 15, 2003, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: Berny on December 15, 2003, 12:22:15 PM
Post by: Polemistis on December 15, 2003, 04:50:55 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 15, 2003, 06:27:30 PM
Does special stuffs happen? Or does it just look weird?
---end quote----
1.) Nothing special happens, but she looks different wearing it and in a ball, it also changes when you get a suit upgrade. (Power suit, varia suit, gravity suit, and phazon suit have all different hues to the fusion suit, same with the morphball.).
2.) It makes the game harder, because the fusion suit has no extra protection, hence enemies will do more damage to you. Try beating hard mode with the fusion suit with a 100% rating! Its even harder! I did it
3.) The cutcenes, end scene, and every other scene with showing samus is completely changed, even the ending.
**SPOILERS****
For example, metroid prime steals the fusion suit at the end, instead of the phazon suit.
****END SPOILERS***
Try it out!
Post by: NarmaK on December 16, 2003, 10:37:10 PM
She has obtained varia suit upgrade for it.
The fusion suit is similar to a metroids physiology.
Samus is now part metroid.
Metroids like samus and always have for some reason.
The X are stupid enemies that should in my opinion, be banished from all future metroid games.
In MP2 samus should get some metroid abilities other than just sucking up Xs, stuff like morphing/evolving.
MP2 should have a 3rd person mode, an often used 3rd person mode.
MP2 should include 1 or more melee weapons and some new fighting gameplay aspects that include 3rd person mode.
MP1s weapons were boring as hell, 5 different cannons? Come on. Something new please. Maybe a simple rapid fire mod for the primary beam weapon. Maybe a sniper rifle of some kind, along with a zoom visor so you can see stuff from far away (I know, binoculars, why the hell couldnt they invent that after thousands of years of technical advancment).
Also, to replace the running shoes from previous 2d metroid games, some rocket hover boots would be cool. They should work kind of like ice skates and allow samus to jump far without having to bump her head on the ceiling with high jumping.
Vehicle use. Come onnn. It would be a nice change from all of those crampt caves to head out on to the open plains with samus' uber cool new hover bike. Along with a built in rotating gatling laser turret. Or even add the ability to use her new laser type sniper rifle in an epona like FPS mode to shoot down pursuing pirates.
Metroid games are lonely, I would like them to add a voice to keep me busy. Her new ship would be good enough, and have samus speak back to him to give herself a personality.
Night vision visor. Green has been over done, do it in infared.
Flashlight visor. Another wonder of the ancient world that seems to have disapeared in the thousands of years since its invention.
Drain beam, lock on to target and suck out their life force and add it to yours, like what the metroids do but in a beam, maybe have its physics work similar to the wave beams missle upgrade.
Magnetic shoes. Havent you ever wanted to just walk up the walls in the 2d metroid games?
Super Metroid as an unlockable bonus. That game kicked assamundo.
Wall jumping.
More than one planet. Who gave samus a spaceship that she could never use? That dont make no sense. Maybe just send her to the moon or something.
Send her to a civilized world, maybe a ruined civilized world but civilized none the less. Maybe a desimated human world. For a change of scenery. Possibly earth, but make it ancient earth, before the dinosaurs, otherwise you would have to add our crap like rusty chevys and stuff. I like the idea of an advanced ancient human civilization better.
Cloaking device? Why the hell not. Just give the enemies xray vision to keep it from unbalancing the game too much.
Grenade launcher of some kind.
A suit that is blue, the blue on the purple aqua suit was cool, but there wasnt enough of it. Light blue preferably, almost silver, but tinted blue.
Hmm, thats it for now. If I think of anything else Ill check back.
Pip, pip.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 17, 2003, 04:55:47 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2003, 05:18:01 AM
Post by: WesDawg on December 17, 2003, 07:18:04 AM
I know its geeky, but I had to laugh at this.
Post by: NarmaK on December 17, 2003, 01:01:11 PM
As for the hover skate things, I would like to see them. Skate physics are interesting and would be usefull if samus ever gets out into larger areas. Imagine skating around a giant boss on a wide open plain, dodging giant lofting explosives (larger than samus herself), then inbetween shots, skating backwards while zooming in to a small sweet spot with your sniper cannon. I have never seen that done before, and to be honest, that would ****ing rock. Plus you need to bring back something like the speed boots from the 2d games, but with first person mode just running would be kinda stupid. And if you had rocket hover skates the new physics would allow for much better new platform elements than just jumping further and higher. You would have to allow for stopping distance, and uh, stuff.
The vehicles, meh, I just would like to see a samus armor style hover bike, would look rather bitching. But I guess it wouldnt realy fit into her universe. The traveling at very high speeds across wide open planes, that I dont want to get rid of, so maybe add an upgrade for the rocket hover boots that let you go 80-120mph. That would make the shooting portion of things more plausable anyways.
Wall jumping? Meh, dont realy care for it, but she could do it in the old games so I thought it might be a good addition. Maybe just use the magnetic shoes to wall jump.
The voice. I thought that up because of all the times in MP1 when samus does a little animation that seems like it should be acompanied by a little "wtf...", and sometimes a big "WTF!!".
And then of course the whole creepy silence. The creepy silences are a part of the metroid series and shouldnt realy be done away with, but every once in a while an oracle character would be nice to give samus a little guidance. And just doing it in text would kinda piss me off, as I am playing a game, not reading a book.
Oh, and the story should be better this time around. A good story tool that hasnt been over used is the whole debate as to who should win. Instead of making one side black and the other side white, make both sides grey. Make samus' behavior slightly different because of her metroid parts, more intent on killing and less caring about her orders and her ship guy. And make the great enemy of the game an intelligent being that wants to take over the universe, but wants to do it so that he can tear everything down and make the universe better.
So anything else? Maybe a new rival like the x-samus? Maybe a rival bounty hunter that keeps his mask hidden until the end of the game where it is revealed that hes a she, and samus and her fall in love? Justin Bailey = Juity Lesbian. Name the rival lesbian Justin Bailey, but at the end of the game reveal her name is Juity, the lesbian part will be left up to the fans to discover through clever anigraming.
Well im done for now, Merry X-Samus.
Post by: Swordsplay on December 18, 2003, 07:20:36 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on December 18, 2003, 07:33:09 AM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 18, 2003, 07:56:04 AM
Post by: davidlow122 on December 18, 2003, 04:25:05 PM
Still, the Fusion suit looked OK on the GBA, it was just the modelling on GC that made it look wussy.
Post by: NarmaK on December 18, 2003, 07:23:35 PM
Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 01:59:40 AM
Post by: NarmaK on December 19, 2003, 05:27:33 PM
Drugs are bad.
Post by: dee kay on December 19, 2003, 05:45:42 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 19, 2003, 09:28:25 PM
100% completion rating, 100% scan rating, and in hard mode, in less than 1 hr. and 24 min.
Good luck!
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 20, 2003, 05:30:50 AM
Post by: dee kay on December 20, 2003, 05:22:03 PM
Post by: Berny on December 20, 2003, 05:26:32 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 20, 2003, 06:01:34 PM
Post by: Berny on December 20, 2003, 06:05:55 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on December 20, 2003, 06:21:14 PM
Post by: Berny on December 20, 2003, 06:24:57 PM
*adds Swordsplay to "the List"*
Post by: Swordsplay on December 20, 2003, 06:27:31 PM
JK
Post by: Swordsplay on December 30, 2003, 04:27:10 AM
Yo! If you like metroid prime
and you have some time
go look at the calander and count the days
while eating some old fashioned mayonaise
After a long long while
we go to the store and smile
cuz right in front of you as it glows and gleams
is pictures of the 1000 new types of beams
with a new story and a new twist
we grab the game instantly with our fist
now its time to give the game a whir
and crank up the gamecube to give it a stir
With little time and nothing to spare
we gotta play it now in our underwear
so if you have time
get your a** moving and go get the sequel to metroid prime
Post by: Shadow Fox on December 30, 2003, 05:43:40 AM
If I'm correct, the only logical step for a game dubbed Metroid Prime 2 would be some kind of alternate story for Metroid 2: The Return of Samus, where phazon was somehow leaked onto SR-388.
Hell, that's what the next GBA game essentially is for Metroid 1, so I clearly see how the same could account for the console version.
-Official Ninja of PGC
Post by: Plugabugz on December 30, 2003, 08:20:51 AM
Post by: MattVDB on December 30, 2003, 10:53:42 AM
I beat Meta-Ridley with 3 health left. I was a bit flustered when I realized I hadn't saved at all that day either *only several hours of playing on the line*. I went into that fight, not full on heath, and scraped by. By far the coolest fight ever. It made the final boss a pushover after I had saved and charged up...
Post by: Swordsplay on January 01, 2004, 10:09:53 PM
Post by: CYBERSTAR on January 14, 2004, 10:57:06 PM
it would be good to start with all the items you collect on prime and then find new ones and upgrades for the old stuff and a few new suits /visors
i dont want to be looking for all the same stuff just on a new planet
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2004, 01:53:19 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on January 15, 2004, 02:26:49 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2004, 02:31:06 PM
(I would also like to add the second part of the rumor...MP2 may be held back for a star showing on Ninty's next system, so currently they are working on getting Raven Blade back up for a late 2004/early 2005 release...Hey, Raven Blade looked really good when it was first shown, and I want all the AAA(potentially) RPGs I can get...)
Post by: Perfect Cell on January 15, 2004, 02:51:46 PM
Post by: Mario on January 15, 2004, 03:09:55 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 15, 2004, 07:10:15 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on January 15, 2004, 08:06:29 PM
it would be good to start with all the items you collect on prime and then find new ones and upgrades for the old stuff and a few new suits /visors
i dont want to be looking for all the same stuff just on a new planet "
I agree with you, sort of. I don't think you should start off with ALL the weapons of the previous game. Ever played Banjo-Tooie? That game starts you off with all the abilities of the previous game, and there is just way too much. I think you should start out with some abilities, such as Morph Ball and missiles. Then I think almost all of the other items should be brand new. Come on, Retro, stretch your creative side!
Post by: Plugabugz on January 16, 2004, 12:12:24 AM
There possibly can't be no way they're leaving it identical to how Prime is?
Post by: Mario on January 16, 2004, 02:56:32 AM
So Metroid Prime 2 is in an advanced stage of development and is due out on the GCN in 2004 now? I dont know what to believe anymore, i take everything i read from Cube Europe with a grain of salt.
E3 shall have the answer. *waits*
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 16, 2004, 06:05:08 AM
Either way, it's a win-win situation for me...Either get it early and be happy, or get it later(with it looking and possibly playing better) and be happy... ^_^
Post by: Berny on January 16, 2004, 06:15:35 AM
Post by: Perfect Cell on January 16, 2004, 06:52:31 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 16, 2004, 10:26:03 AM
Post by: Berny on January 16, 2004, 01:09:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Perfect Cell
It needs a big title for this winter season.
I'll bet WW's sequel is coming out next Christmas too. It's a little too early to be worrying about that now though.
Post by: CYBERSTAR on January 17, 2004, 02:24:23 AM
never mind there is always xbl to give me my fix of good games
Post by: Berny on January 17, 2004, 08:04:02 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 17, 2004, 08:06:59 AM
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hey matt, great site. I just read that raven blade is not only coming back to cube, but that it's coming this year! Awesome news! But the bad news is that Metroid prime 2 is now on 'N5.' Have you heard the same?
Matt respond: These are false rumors. The site that posted them later published a story that strongly contradicted them. As I understand it, the guys at Retro Studios are devoted to the development of Metroid Prime 2, which will release for GameCube later this year. Raven Blade was previously cancelled. Perhaps work will start up on it again in the future -- we can always hope -- but I've not heard anything that suggests this is the case.
Post by: Berny on January 17, 2004, 08:28:26 AM
Post by: akdaman1 on January 17, 2004, 09:59:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2004, 02:08:35 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 17, 2004, 02:28:13 PM
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Biggest Surprise
Nintendo's New Philosophy
Why we were shocked: IGNcube was not only surprised in 2003 by Nintendo's new (or old) philosophy -- we were shocked. After reporting its first ever posted loss, Nintendo announced that it plans to "go back to the basics." The company's new focus is to develop software that is easily accessible for gamers of all ages and that requires no prior experience to play. To help push this simplicity concept, Nintendo also stated that it would continue to rely on established franchises and explore new connectivity features between the GameCube and Game Boy Advance to help draw in a wider audience. IGNcube was wholly surprised at this statement because this philosophy rubs completely against the current trend in the industry -- complex games are growing in popularity and have proven more successful. Nintendo has had a lackluster grip on the market, and this announcement assures that the company will continue to behave has it has instead of adapting to what gamers are looking for.
Runner-Up: Nintendo cryptically announces it will release a new product for 2004.
Reader's Choice: GameCube outsells PS2 during Thanksgiving
Wait, so Nintendo releasing stellar games and improving sales some 60% is a bad thing?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2004, 02:41:14 PM
I would rather not have "Peach and Daisy Half-Naked Volleyball XTREME!!!11" thank you very much...
Post by: Mario on January 17, 2004, 04:14:38 PM
I hope Metroid Prime 2 has Super Metroid as an unlockable, just like Metroid Prime had the original NES Metroid on it. I've always wanted to play Super Metroid.
Post by: CYBERSTAR on January 18, 2004, 10:08:54 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2004, 11:16:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill
"...and this announcement assures that the company will continue to behave has it has instead of adapting to what gamers are looking for."
I would rather not have "Peach and Daisy Half-Naked Volleyball XTREME!!!11" thank you very much...
No, no volleyball, thanks. Instead, it should be pool/billiards in short-shorts.
Post by: ghostVi on January 19, 2004, 12:57:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: CYBERSTAR
prime didnt have the nes version as an unlockable that was only put there to make stupid ppl go out and buy a gba and fusion
is that really so??
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 19, 2004, 04:08:10 AM
Post by: Polemistis on January 19, 2004, 11:55:08 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 19, 2004, 12:08:28 PM
Post by: Swordsplay on January 20, 2004, 04:17:32 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on February 01, 2004, 10:42:42 AM
I'm only at the part where you have to scan those four runes (can't...friggin...find...last...rune, dammit...), but already I'm awaiting Metroid Prime 2, especially for that new multiplayer mode. I haven't been keeping up with this thread at all, as I had not realized the glories of Metroid till today, so could someone tell me if a release date has been announced, or any major details have been given? THANKS!
Oh, and someone can PM me and tell me where that last rune is lol
Post by: revolg_98 on February 03, 2004, 12:56:27 PM
Out of the remains of Metroid Prime comes an arm like Samus's in the phazon suit.
Post by: revolg_98 on February 03, 2004, 01:11:36 PM
Post by: Mario on February 07, 2004, 01:01:10 PM
Post by: tomjh on February 07, 2004, 01:59:25 PM
Yeah, so, like in MP, if you get the Pirate data that says that there were 3 frigates orbiting Zebes when mother brain got killed, and 1 was at Tallon IV, where are the other 2? I know one went back to zebes or something like that, but maybe MP2 could build off of that?
Post by: Gamebasher on February 09, 2004, 03:25:58 AM
Yeah, I know that the game won´t be much of a challenge to many hardcore gamers if the bosses aren´t tough. But I couldn´t beat Omega Pirate after trying over 15 times, probably because I was short of one energy tank which I couldn´t find. Otherwise the game was a blast!
But the AI can mean that some people just can´t complete it, and so they might not be so willing to pay for it the next time. Did anyone say "videogame piracy"? I certainly do understand how too high prices on videogames and frustration over same can lead to it! Everyone I talk to say it IS so!!
Of course, you can´t easily copy the GCN games. But, then people will just get a PS2 and play another first person shooter and a copy of that.
I just hate it when games that are great, turn a nightmare because you get STUCK...for good...nomatter what the any walkthrough will tell you to do! Once you´ve saved your progress, you can´t always just go back and try to locate something you missed out on earlier, and which now affects your overall situation badly.
Couldn´t RETRO try to do something about that problem? Such as lower the AI, if even just a little! Would be gratefull if they would, because Metroid Prime is surely the greatest first person shooter to ever grace any console!
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 09, 2004, 10:21:23 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on February 09, 2004, 10:27:31 AM
Post by: Armed on February 09, 2004, 06:53:49 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on February 10, 2004, 10:29:49 AM
For example in Fzero one can change the controls so you can boost with L, accelerate with R, turn with the joystick, and have fully analog sliding with the c stick. The default setup has you sliding using L and R and using the face buttons for gas and brake. Analog is the only way to go if you want true control.
Post by: evilnate on February 10, 2004, 10:33:21 AM
Post by: Rich on February 10, 2004, 12:25:05 PM
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Post by: Bloodworth on February 10, 2004, 07:47:06 PM
Post by: Rich on February 11, 2004, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: Berny on February 11, 2004, 03:19:05 PM
I'm in this game for the single player though. It will rock.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 11, 2004, 03:43:48 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on February 12, 2004, 10:39:22 AM
Back in Prime, sometimes, and only sometimes, did the controls be locked for a second. I think, for deathmatch (in the way bill says) to work, Retro would need to tweak that a little... I'm nit-picking but I like it
Post by: Mario on February 15, 2004, 10:44:25 PM
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There's only one possible fault with that, what if you lock on onto someone else who's just entering morph ball mode?
I don't really see the fault you're talking about there..
It would be cool if in "deathmatch", you could be a space pirate, and fly and stuff. That would be cool, and make sense!
*pictures four different coloured Samus's shooting at each other for no reason*
Post by: Rich on February 16, 2004, 08:13:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 16, 2004, 10:11:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Rich
I 'm hoping for an actual character selection, they could include Samus, Space pirates, Ridley, maybe a smaller version of Kraid, and maybe some modified bosses.
No...Just...no...You should know why that wouldn't work...
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 16, 2004, 10:37:31 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 16, 2004, 03:24:04 PM
Post by: Rich on February 16, 2004, 05:14:36 PM
On another note, I went back to finish Metriod Prime for the second time and the game wouldnt read my data. Like in the memory card manager it says that I had 17:01 and that the last save was december 21 2002 but I cant seem so get the game to read the data. any suggestions?
Post by: Griffin on February 16, 2004, 05:35:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Can you imagine how huge Kraid would be?
Yeah, and that's what's so exciting about the idea
I want Kraid in the next game too...and make him hard for once (well, twice...he was pretty tough in Metroid 1)
Post by: revolg_98 on February 20, 2004, 01:35:56 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on February 21, 2004, 06:12:10 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2004, 08:14:28 AM
Post by: Rich on February 21, 2004, 07:30:39 PM
Post by: Rich on February 26, 2004, 09:53:28 AM
Post by: MattVDB on March 01, 2004, 04:35:35 PM
*My apologies to all who haven't finished Prime 100%*
You've seen the Prime 2 preview, I'm sure. Something out of it though has me spinning. Who is that guy? He has always to me had a personality (facial structure?) similar to Ridley. I have been content with that thought, and didn't think how it would be possible. Well, remember how he died in the end of Prime? He fell down towards the crater. What is in the crater after you leave? The Phazon Suit. It is my belief that Ridley now has the Phazon Suit, and that is the creature in the Prime 2 movie. It makes sense, and I haven't seen other people talking about it yet, and I'm not sure why. I figured I would pipe up and see what you guys think.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2004, 05:51:55 PM
Post by: MattVDB on March 02, 2004, 09:41:32 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 02, 2004, 10:01:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 02, 2004, 10:20:32 AM
Post by: MattVDB on March 02, 2004, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2004, 03:08:55 AM
Post by: Rich on March 03, 2004, 09:40:17 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on March 03, 2004, 06:45:25 PM
End of story.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2004, 01:51:12 AM
Post by: Rich on March 04, 2004, 09:22:35 AM
Post by: MagicToenail on April 14, 2004, 09:43:15 AM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/506/506469p1.html
I just found some screens on GCA, theyre from Game Informer.
http://gcadvanced.com/media.php?gameid=383
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 14, 2004, 10:08:28 AM
Post by: WackerJr on April 14, 2004, 11:54:44 AM
Post by: dark_eliment on April 14, 2004, 07:48:21 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 14, 2004, 08:19:14 PM
Post by: dark_eliment on April 15, 2004, 01:24:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 15, 2004, 01:58:49 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on April 15, 2004, 07:27:57 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 15, 2004, 08:27:29 AM
Post by: Rich on April 15, 2004, 11:20:09 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 15, 2004, 11:52:57 AM
Post by: dark_eliment on April 15, 2004, 02:02:10 PM
Post by: Rich on April 19, 2004, 07:19:27 PM
Oh and speaking of weapons I hope there are some brand new beams in this game.
Post by: MattVDB on April 21, 2004, 06:20:13 PM
It shows off that enemy again *two at a time even*, a new beam, and some other nifty stuff. I like it. I like it a lot.
Post by: Rich on April 22, 2004, 11:23:36 AM
Post by: MattVDB on April 22, 2004, 01:23:52 PM
Am I allowed to say how to get there without being banned? If not, I can edit some stuff.
Post by: Rich on April 22, 2004, 06:35:50 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2004, 08:10:52 PM
Post by: CreedDBZ on April 23, 2004, 05:03:58 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 23, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
I believe Samus was trying to say... " I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRR!"
Post by: nolimit19 on April 23, 2004, 05:50:35 PM
Post by: Krazie26 on April 23, 2004, 06:10:44 PM
Hehehe.
Post by: Pale on April 23, 2004, 07:13:59 PM
Wouldn't it be sweet if not only were they two worlds, but two parallel universes? There would be both a good samus and an 'evil' samus.... When the good samus was reaking havoc in evil land, the bad samus would be reaking havoc in good land. Therefore, one would have to speculate what damage their actions would cause in the other world... Then on top of that, you could play as good or bad samus...
Yeah, that won't happen, but it'd be cool.
Post by: Rich on April 23, 2004, 07:53:02 PM
Post by: Oldskool on April 23, 2004, 11:35:20 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 23, 2004, 11:54:14 PM
Like..... LINK.... to the past.....?
Post by: reviewgamer on April 24, 2004, 12:02:46 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 24, 2004, 12:09:50 AM
1) Single-must blow us away first.
2) Multiplayer shall receive no consideration from me until Condition #1 is met.
3) After Condition #1 is met, find multiplaying buddies. If buddies do not exist, multiplayer cannot be multiplayed, therefore must fall back to replaying the previously-established-to-be-reliable single-player.
Post by: Krazie26 on April 24, 2004, 05:07:28 AM
But yeah, if it were online it'd be better. I don't have anyone to play with
Post by: Krazie26 on April 24, 2004, 05:54:49 AM
Super Metroid Comic
Don't know how many of you have actually read this, but he's in there..watch carefully.
Post by: Syl on April 24, 2004, 12:20:33 PM
The japanese e-manga, is metroid canon, but i don't really see that would relate to prime 2 at all.
Post by: Gibdo Master on April 24, 2004, 12:22:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Krazie26
BTW, the guy in the grey suit in one of the screenies, I believe I know who he is.
Super Metroid Comic
Don't know how many of you have actually read this, but he's in there..watch carefully.
No. Just no. Houston is the absolute worst character ever, and I seriously doubt they will actually use him in any game. Besides his suit is blue not grey.
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Originally posted by: Syl_Aran
The japanese e-manga, is metroid canon, but i don't really see that would relate to prime 2 at all.
Well, if I remember correctly Houston isn't in the e-manga, so no worries there.
Post by: Krazie26 on April 24, 2004, 12:35:38 PM
I was talking of Houston.
Post by: Syl on April 24, 2004, 02:38:19 PM
Houston's suit was the federations attempt to copy the chozo suit, at least thats my understanding...
however, after reading the super metroid comic, im surprised how much of samus' backstory they kept the same when they made the e-manga. Though the e-manga explains it in far more detail.
note:
translated e-manga can be found at www.newtourian.com (can't direct link to it, annoyingly)
Post by: Uglydot on April 25, 2004, 05:36:29 AM
I am very very excited about this. I have always been a huge metroid freak and I am really enjoying the chance to run around the world we have all played through in 2d, in gorgeous 3d. Graphics aren't everything, but seeing the world this way is a huge pull. The mood is just so increadible, I hope it is communicated well in this next installment. Not that I am worrying about that. I would like some more ball parts. MP had quite a few, but they were all exactly the same. I would love to see some different uses.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 27, 2004, 11:05:18 PM
One of the Samuses has a Chozo Rune over her head.
That means there's probably a Capture the Rune multiplayer mode.
Post by: MagicToenail on April 28, 2004, 02:13:19 PM
EDIT: The dot with two dash marks on each side is commonly used as a symbol for sound. Sorry if somebody already posted this.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 28, 2004, 02:21:38 PM
I don't think that's what "echoes" refers to though.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2004, 02:29:01 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 28, 2004, 03:59:38 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 28, 2004, 04:13:49 PM
Sonar does sound promising, though. And the Daredevil movie sucked, cept the villain (Bull's Eye or whatever) was ultra-cool.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 28, 2004, 04:26:42 PM
http://www.onewest.net/~superty/metroidprime2/
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 28, 2004, 04:34:15 PM
"Samus is a... WOMAN?!?! WTF"
"Whew! You sure are!"
"He is NOT my boyfriend!"
"Good."
"Join with me, Kevin. The stars will be our playground!"
Samus is a gold-digger!
OMG!!
Post by: Syl on April 29, 2004, 02:07:02 AM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
No way guys, here's the real canon:
http://www.onewest.net/~superty/metroidprime2/
that is GREAT.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2004, 01:07:09 PM
Media coming soon!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2004, 01:46:43 PM
), there are plenty of little details that are fantastic, the sidestep seems better(it's been a while since I played MP)...oh, and it's pretty...
Post by: Ian Sane on August 27, 2004, 01:52:41 PM
Since I'm in Canada I'm expecting to get my demo disc some time after Metroid Prime 2 has come out.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2004, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2004, 02:42:26 PM
Post by: odifiend on August 27, 2004, 02:47:31 PM
.But Metroid will be great. I wish I hadn't lost my code for Custom Robo. >=(
Post by: Ian Sane on August 27, 2004, 06:33:49 PM
That kind of sucks. I was hoping I could squeeze some more time out of it. There were people who played the MGS2 demo for hours. But then Nintendo still has to learn how to do demos right so I shouldn't have expected much. The demo was probably really designed with in-store play in mind. A home demo should last about an hour at least.
Post by: Urkel on August 27, 2004, 06:41:51 PM
I'm assuming you don't start out with the other beams in the actual game, though.
The new scan visor makes the old one look like crap. It's sort of like the targeting computer in Rogue Leader, where the entire object is shaded a certain color. It makes finding scannable objects a million times easier.
I noticed that the rooms in the Dark world have different names than their Light world counterparts, so it looks like Retro isn't about to get lazy on us.
And Space Pirates dislike theft, apparantly.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2004, 06:47:31 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 27, 2004, 11:33:59 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on August 28, 2004, 08:57:59 AM
The hub is a lot better looking, as is Samus' design and coloring. She has a darker orange coloring, as opposed to the more pale one of the original.
I don't really like the new scanning, but I DO like the interface.
The game's good, but everything just seems SO SLOW!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2004, 09:21:42 AM
Post by: joshnickerson on August 28, 2004, 09:36:47 AM
The only thing that really disappointed me was the lack of a case. I got it by registering my games, and I just got the disc, along with a short pamphlet pimping Prime, Fusion and Echoes. I guess since they already made a special case for Prime and the demo to go with the cubes, Nintendo didn't bother to make one specially for the demo. Which is understandable... it's not a full game, unlike the Zelda bonus discs.
I may go about designing my own case... unless you know of someone who already has...
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on August 28, 2004, 10:43:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Slow? Wha? I don't quite follow...Obviously the game will be "slow" at the beginning when you are fighting only a few enemies at a time... :\
Yeah, I'm not expecting anyone to get what I mean. It just seems slow to me.
And are you sure that this IS the beginning? I mean, I don't expect to start off the game with the light and dark beam already equipped.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2004, 11:18:49 AM
That's another thing...It's merely a demo so I assume the full game will be more to your liking...
(I'm going to out and assume that if where you start isn't the beginning of the game, it's really close to the beginning, lacking the light and dark beams of course...) "Got clips?"
MP done in 1:04
Post by: Syl on August 28, 2004, 01:01:19 PM
An MP3 of it (very nice capture) can be found here: http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EpAFuluklAtEnSlqZA.php
Great Song, thats why i had it put up on the site.
Post by: Syl on August 28, 2004, 01:54:35 PM
They are available here http://www.systemmetroid.com/media/mp3s/metroidprime.htm
however.
Credits and Tallon Overworld 2 are some of my fave MP songs, I also really like phendrana and a couple others.
Post by: notic on August 28, 2004, 03:15:32 PM
Post by: nickmitch on August 28, 2004, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: joshnickerson on August 29, 2004, 05:01:06 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2004, 02:32:30 AM
Should I nab the MP art gallery?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2004, 08:14:13 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2004, 09:31:10 AM
Is that through Nintendo/US or Canada?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2004, 09:36:45 AM
I registered through Nintendo.com so I assume it's coming from the US. The Zelda disc came from the US.
Post by: Baz on September 04, 2004, 04:37:17 PM
i live in canada and i havent yet got my disc or my confermation e-mail. yet it says i have a disc reserved.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2004, 04:43:01 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 04, 2004, 04:52:18 PM
You know I got the reserved message after I had said I wanted it. I too have not recieved an email saying that anything has been shipped but on Nintendo's site when I login it says that I have ordered it.
I'm thinking I'm going to have to send an email to Nintendo.
Post by: Renny on September 04, 2004, 06:49:32 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 28, 2004, 04:15:16 PM
That Dark Suit looks awesome...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 28, 2004, 04:28:35 PM
Samus' new D.imensional S.wimwear looks really hot on her. I like the gritty, no-BS, non-Chozo style and color scheme. It's somewhat of a design departure, but I like how it conveys it's possibly a Luminoth creation rather than the traditional Chozo. I'm still a little bummed it was revealed this early. She'd better have another S.wimwear in addition to that.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 28, 2004, 11:01:08 PM
I'm expecting nothing more from Prime 2 than what has already been shown. I seriously couldn't care less, I just want to play the game.
I mean, if it was just Metroid Prime 1 with new areas, I'd buy and enjoy it anyway. Call me tasteless if you wish, but at least I know I'm going to be having fun.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 07:38:21 AM
Me too. Why reveal something like that? Game companies these days provide us with WAY too much info regarding their games. We should know virtually nothing except that there's a sequel to Metroid Prime, it has multiplayer, and we should see a few non-spoiler screenshots. I don't even like knowing about the dark world stuff. And this new detail along with the existance of Dark Samus are really huge spoilers. Think how cool it would be to be playing and just suddenly see Dark Samus without any knowledge of it beforehand with no mention of it in previews or the manual. All we need to know is how the game plays. Anything regarding the story should be kept secret.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2004, 07:44:58 AM
Wait, then why do people complain about Ninty not revealing info and then bitching when it's not up to their expectations? I assume you get it fairly early in the game, and thus isn't that big of a deal...
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 07:52:54 AM
There's a difference between info you need to know ahead of time (gameplay, new features) and info that's just spoilers (virtually anything to do with the story, bosses, major power ups).
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2004, 11:10:21 AM
Edit: Less spoilers, same lousy taste.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2004, 11:21:13 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2004, 10:00:13 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 07, 2004, 09:24:01 PM
Post by: MattVDB on October 21, 2004, 10:20:33 PM
I thought multiplayer would be neat. I thought the duality was cool, but not clincher. I thought it was just going to be more of the same. Why didn't somebody hit me? Now, I generally dislike IGN's attitude, but recently they have been building hype for Echoes, (because they can see that there really isn't any) and now I'm hooked. I refused to look through the 75 new reasons to own Echoes, but just thinking about that is crazy. I can't wait to destroy my friends is a four player mode. I can't wait to try out all the new suits. I can't wait for the new visors. I just can't wait.
Somebody said Prime was built ground up in 1.5 years. They have been working on Echoes for 2, but they already had the engine this time. If you think they have played all their cards, you will be in for a pleasant surprise. Thinking about the unknown (the biggest part to any Metroid entry) has me stoked. Why aren't you?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2004, 11:38:29 PM
The 75 reasons was good stuff. Check it out.
Remember, they didn't necessarily re-use the engine from Prime 1, but they did have the *experience* of creating that engine. This time around, they could make a cleaner, more specialized and feature-rich engine based on what they previously learned. The result can be greater ASS KICKAGE.
Post by: Gamefreak on October 22, 2004, 12:22:44 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 22, 2004, 01:11:43 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"I'm still a little bummed it was revealed this early. She'd better have another S.wimwear in addition to that."
I'm expecting nothing more from Prime 2 than what has already been shown. I seriously couldn't care less, I just want to play the game.
Hey, there really IS another S.wimwear. YAY
Post by: chain chomp on October 25, 2004, 01:39:08 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 25, 2004, 09:20:05 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 25, 2004, 09:40:07 AM
However, I couldn't tell with what I saw: do the objects dim or something after you scan them? I'd expect them to, but I can't assume. That'd be really confusing if they didn't.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2004, 09:55:29 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 26, 2004, 01:59:06 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 26, 2004, 02:15:49 PM
Post by: chain chomp on October 30, 2004, 10:59:19 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 30, 2004, 12:34:56 PM
DO NOT CLICK OR GODZILLA WILL EAT TOOKYOO
D.IMENSIONAL S.WIMWEAR
L.IBERATION S.WIMWEAR
Post by: MysticGohan24 on October 30, 2004, 09:06:18 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on October 31, 2004, 11:17:05 AM
btw
its probably been said many times before
but play through Prime once more right now, its still an awesome game with awesome graphics
and a perfect transition to begin the second one and be wowed even more
just enough time to beat it now
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 02, 2004, 09:37:26 AM
PLAY METROID PRIME and GET FUGGING EXCITED ABOUT THE SECOND ONE!!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 02, 2004, 01:03:10 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 02, 2004, 06:26:07 PM
One teaser wallpaper is available.
http://metroid.com
Post by: Berny on November 03, 2004, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 04, 2004, 04:22:30 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 04, 2004, 07:51:08 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 04, 2004, 07:53:33 AM
Fun game, sure, real fun. But it doesn't come anywhere near standards set by Viewtiful Joe and Metroid Prime.
Post by: Mario on November 04, 2004, 09:27:56 PM
They said they had issues with the controls and difficulty (too hard [wusses!]).
Hopefully Metroid Prime 3 will be better.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 04, 2004, 10:13:13 PM
Or hang on, is that Famitsu? Not sure.
Anyway, controls for the first were fine by me, and the harder the better.
Post by: 1day on November 04, 2004, 10:29:46 PM
And if one of the problems was difficulty that they really are weak gamers (this is the same thing they said about F-Zero GX and made it have a terrible score). I not sure what the control problem would be either, actually.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 04, 2004, 11:47:11 PM
WHAT.EVERRRR
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2004, 01:07:45 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 05, 2004, 01:44:23 AM
Their dvd sux with horrible banners and titles all over the videos, and their cover doesn't glow in teh dark. sry.
WHATEVERRR
Post by: Mario on November 05, 2004, 07:25:24 AM
And yeah I was being sarcastic in my post about it being disappointiing. Should be great, I can't wait.
EDIT AGAIN: I'm glad to hear that it's a really hard game. Most games these days are way too easy and weak.
Post by: AManatee2 on November 05, 2004, 10:48:04 AM
This is gonna be awesome.
Man, I'm going broke.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 05, 2004, 01:43:10 PM
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TextMan, I'm going broke
Tell me about it. I need to save the DS and games for my birthday because I haven't got enough money now.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 06, 2004, 01:42:38 AM
and anyway, one of the reviewers gave the game a 10 right( or is that not how it works) which means that atleast he found it practiacally perfect
Post by: Gamefreak on November 07, 2004, 05:06:25 AM
While I totally agreed with their Metroid Prime review (it got three 10's and all the reviewers were practically having orgasms) I don't think those are good reasons to give it a nine. Also I heard they actually said it was better than the original. Maybe they just didn't want to give four platinums in one issue (Metal Gear Solid 3 also got shafted). I have San Andreas and it's awesome but it also doesn't go that far beyond what Vice City did, and it's definately not as well rounded as MP2 (the graphics are still well below the other categories in quality) but it got 3 tens.
Oh well. I'm more interested in Gamespot's reviews. So far they gave San Andreas a 9.6 (GTA3 and Vice also got 9.6's). Halo and Metroid Prime both got 9.7's and it looks like Halo 2 and Metroid Prime 2 are both better than the originals, but then again they will probably get a little taken off because they are sequels and fundamentally the same as the originals, so I wouldn't be surprised if they both get 9.7's. Metal Gear Solid 2 got a 9.6 I think and I think Snake eater will get around a 9.5... But then again Ratchet and Clank 3 got a ridiculus 8.7, which is very good but I think it should have gotten at least a 9.2 or 9.3. It's funny how Paper Mario 2 and Pikmin 2 both got 9.2's when Ratchet and Clank 3 is arguably better than both.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 07, 2004, 05:11:35 AM
There's only so much platforming you can do in one generation before you get completely sick of the genre.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 07, 2004, 07:01:20 AM
Not to me!
I believe Prime 2 got shafted because "someone" didn't want it getting the same score as Halo 2...I'm all about conspiracy theories...
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 07, 2004, 11:22:25 AM
I just think we should get more hyped about this game and not concentrate on these review scores as much, we already no by what weve read from impressions and reviews that this is a A+ game, who gives a fukk if some people like it a tiny bit less than others and thus give it a near perfect score.
Im sure that IGN although claiming the game is better than its predecessor, wont give an equally good score, im expecting a 9.7 because its not "all new".
Post by: Gamefreak on November 07, 2004, 02:24:06 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 07, 2004, 03:55:24 PM
Two titles in one generation I'm happy with... three is just overkill and incredibly stupid.
Post by: Mario on November 07, 2004, 04:16:02 PM
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Apart from Mario Sunshine, which i didn't really think was amazing, I haven't played a single 3D third person platforming game this generation, including the original Ratchet games and all the other PS2 platformers.
Gamespot have.
Anyway, forget about reviews, Metroid Prime 2 is out soon, WHO'S EXCITED? If it really is better than Metroid Prime then it will most likely become my favourite game ever. I love Nintendo for releasing it in PAL this year, down with 50hz!
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on November 07, 2004, 05:15:45 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on November 09, 2004, 12:38:43 PM
Yes, but other mags and sites have played it and they haven't given such a low score. I mean go to Metacritic.om or gamerankings.com, Ratchet 3 is one of the highest scoring games of this entire generation. It has like a 95 on metacritic which is in like the top 15 of the three consoles. Of course it only has 16 reviews so far so it may go down a point or two. Halo 2 was hovering around a 98 yesterday and now it's 97...I think it'll settle on 96 when most of the reviews are in, but it could stay at 97 (Halo and Metroid Prime are both 97). In case anyone is wondering OoT is 99...I wonder if any other game will ever have a 99 on metacritic this generation? Maybe zelda....(wind waker got a 96...but then again it had its flaws and two whole dungeons were obviously scrapped because of time...)
Post by: Deguello on November 09, 2004, 12:53:18 PM
Oh man, are you going to feel crunchy when you learn both phrases are correct! "Gamespot has" is correct if you look at the company as a singular entity, and "Gamespot have" is if you look at the company as a collective plural noun. But YOU KNEW THAT before you belittled somebody on the basis of grammar, right?
Post by: Caillan on November 09, 2004, 12:59:42 PM
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Gamespot have? lol learn english dude. Oh wait, this is a message board...silly me.
You forgot a space after your ellipsis.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 10, 2004, 02:09:33 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 10, 2004, 06:06:33 AM
I did for an hour or so. But then I stopped... I don't need more anticipation for 2 than I already have; it'll kill me.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 10, 2004, 06:09:24 AM
I may have to wait till Christmas for this, though. Oh god, please let it pass quickly.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 10, 2004, 07:25:10 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"Is anybody else except me playing through the first Prime again before the release?"
I did for an hour or so. But then I stopped... I don't need more anticipation for 2 than I already have; it'll kill me.
come on, whats better to kill time for the next few days than this awesome 20-30 hour game, just skip the scanning and boring stuff, and get on with it, its a blast
Post by: Ian Sane on November 10, 2004, 09:49:16 AM
Still it's not a bad score. In fact it's probably pretty accurate. It's just a little unfair for Metroid Prime 2 to get a more critical lookover while GTA: San Andreas and Halo 2 get the "there's some flaws but who cares it rulez!! Perfect 10!" treatment.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 10, 2004, 11:03:11 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 10, 2004, 02:28:40 PM
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Originally posted by: HemmorrhoidQuote
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"Is anybody else except me playing through the first Prime again before the release?"
I did for an hour or so. But then I stopped... I don't need more anticipation for 2 than I already have; it'll kill me.
come on, whats better to kill time for the next few days than this awesome 20-30 hour game, just skip the scanning and boring stuff, and get on with it, its a blast
By playing MARIO POWER TENNIS and VIEWTIFUL JOE 2 (if you get it early).
DUR DUR DUR
[j/k]... mario tennis...
~~~~~
This is the saddest season yet for so-called "media outlets" and "publications." The reviewers sound like [losers?] who just want free/early games and E3 Media badges.
Post by: Gamefreak on November 10, 2004, 05:37:06 PM
They also said it's "devilishly challenging" but "very rewarding."
Sounds good to me. Too bad the early reviewers don't understand the game like the more respectable sites like Gamespot.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 10, 2004, 10:11:17 PM
Somehow I doubt IGN or Gamespot will score MP2 very highly. Nintendo games are very heavily criticized these days... God forbid Retro make more of a good thing.
Post by: Syl on November 11, 2004, 03:47:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
Geez. This is why we don't go any smaller than half-points.
I still believe that a 100 point scale is the best one to use, or at the very least, the 10.0 scale that we used over at NI (And IGN/gamespot use) was decent enough.
Theres a large difference between a 9.2 and a 9.8 in my mind. 9.2 is incredible, 9.8 is absolutely unbelievably incredible. 10.0 is just pure perfection (something that I dont believe any games have really acquired.)
However, there is only one review, and the "negatives" he mentioned sounded plausible, but, not the type fo thing that would bother me. Difficulty is a gigantic plus in my mind, when I was resorted to attempting low % runs in metroid prime (hard) just to get some challenge out of the game, I can't wait for a difficult metroid title. (note: I'm an insane metroid fanatic and thats what we do... I've low %'d everything but super metroid and the original...)
I never just rely on one score however, and certain reviewers hold more weight in my mind than others. I'll just wait till next week and then go by the average thats shown on gamerankings, and then I'll see if i agree or disagree with that. I have a feeling that IGN is going to give prime 2 something over a 9.5 at least, I'm curious what the rest of the media will feel, espicially if the unnecessary comparisons to Halo 2 come up, which is harder to avoid this year as both games are being released only a week away from eachother.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 11, 2004, 11:36:18 AM
Post by: Berny on November 11, 2004, 01:47:48 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch.
Somehow I doubt IGN or Gamespot will score MP2 very highly. Nintendo games are very heavily criticized these days... God forbid Retro make more of a good thing.
Do you really think it'll review poorly even with the bias? Echoes has some major gameplay changes. And the one thing everyone was bitching about in the first one? The lack of multiplayer? Yeah that's there too. Halo 2 will probably steal Samus' thunder though. =(
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 11, 2004, 06:07:22 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 11, 2004, 07:04:52 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 11, 2004, 11:11:29 PM
Im probably never gonna play it anyway, unless its really fun, which it might just be.
Post by: Plugabugz on November 11, 2004, 11:20:33 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2004, 12:31:01 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on November 12, 2004, 01:01:12 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 12, 2004, 04:10:40 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 12, 2004, 05:48:26 AM
But I don't really care. What interests me is the "shoulder to shoulder with Metroid Prime" comment, which if true means I've got a new favorite game ever... again.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 12, 2004, 06:25:13 AM
Translation: A lot of stupid idiots criticized the first game for not having multiplayer so one has been added added and it's pretty average. But we're not going to sh!t all over the game because of that because we understand that Metroid is supposed to be a one player game.
I've only skimmed over the review but it seems very professional. I was afraid that a lot of reviews would complain about the multiplayer after last year complaining about its absence. I'm very impressed that Gamespot pretty much ignored the multiplayer modes shortcomings. Well done.
Post by: Gamefreak on November 12, 2004, 06:13:32 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 12, 2004, 06:33:42 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 12, 2004, 06:48:26 PM
a) Some people will like it more than MP1.
b) If you're expecting more of MP, you'll be ecstatic.
I'm sold. I was sold a long time ago but now I'm sold sold.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2004, 07:22:25 PM
Happy next week to all of you.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 12, 2004, 09:35:14 PM
Hey! A Nintendo game where the reviewer said "it's more of the same but who cares because it rules". I thought those types of comments where only allowed for EA games and GTA. Nice to see Nintendo not get crapped on for not being innovative enough with an overall amazing game. Of course it's only the second game and they don't release these every year so that helps.
IGN mentioned that they wish dual analog control was an option. *Sigh* So close to getting it and yet so far. Metroid Prime has to be one of the most misunderstood games ever.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 12, 2004, 10:11:53 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 13, 2004, 01:15:19 AM
Lets pray to god that Retro takes their time to perfect their ideas for the sequel on Revolution, I think they should take their time until Christmas 2007, 3 years to develop, or maybe middle of 2008.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 13, 2004, 01:29:30 AM
MADNESS.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 13, 2004, 11:51:26 AM
Post by: Kraven on November 13, 2004, 12:54:27 PM
Also both Halo 2 and San Andreas were reviewed in the issue and both getting platinums. I didnt have a chance to read either. How can they complain about MP2's story when Halo 2's is supposed to be horrible. Yet they still give it a perfect, which I have heard is far from true.
My friend and another were playing Halo 2 co-op. I dont know what level it was or anything but it looked exactly like the first level in the original Halo.
I am sick of the bias against Nintendo in this industry and I'm sick of the wrong games getting all the praise. Why doesn't Rockstar get crap for releasing the same game with different people in it every 2 years? I dont understand. And Halo 2 gets praised for having being able to wield two guns at the same time, gasp not two guns at the same time! Wait a minute, couldnt I do that in Goldeneye and sometimes couldnt I mix and match what two guns I had out? And then in Perfect Dark couldnt I do this in multiplayer? Those two games are 1 and 2 the greatest console FPSes ever. Er this is turning into more of a Halo 2 flame then a Metroid Prime 2 praise. Sorry.
Anyways, I expect Metroid Prime 2 to be the one of the best single player experiences ever, and I think it will deliver and I wish it didnt get lost in the shadow of games like Halo 2 and GTASA.
Post by: Renny on November 14, 2004, 09:24:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Kraven
Er this is turning into more of a Halo 2 flame then a Metroid Prime 2 praise. Sorry.
There's no need to apologize around here. :¬]
I think it's purely a matter of hype. Hype by itself can skew even "professional" reviewers' opinions significantly. And hype is something Nintendo struggles to generate for most of its games. Besides the Zelda series, which allowed Wind Waker to be reviewed favorably despite being 'kiddy', and Metroid Prime which obviously won over critics. It is unfair, but it's just the nature of the mainstream, regardless of media.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 14, 2004, 11:21:53 AM
what new has halo or san andreas done that justifies that much of a better score?
ultimately it all comes down to the fun and the effort, and that, without a doubt, is very present in MP2
now Ill be willing to withdraw this statement when Ive played MP2 and realize its not "THAT" great after all
but when it turns out to be the game I hope it will be, I will be very angry about those reviewers
Post by: Plugabugz on November 15, 2004, 12:35:54 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 15, 2004, 12:58:42 AM
I guess they will provide some revolution launch title, hopefully Raven Blade, and devote a small team to work out the new metroid, and when Raven Blade is released in 2006, they can finish theyre new Metroid game for 2007 I hope
Post by: KDR_11k on November 15, 2004, 03:32:47 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 15, 2004, 06:11:53 AM
Sounds fine with me. There's no real point in releasing a third Metroid Prime on the Cube hardware. They might as well wait for the Revolution for that. And since the Cube still has a few years left to it I don't see why they can't get something else out. I also wouldn't mind if their first Revolution game was original with Metroid coming out later on.
Besides Nintendo should lay off Metroid for a bit anyway. The amount of games in the series has more than doubled since 2002. They need to cut back and let absense make the heart grow fonder.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 15, 2004, 06:54:32 AM
Expect one for Revolution, though, I'd say a year or so after launch. I'd like to see Retro do something else, though.
I think they should cut back on Metroid, though.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 15, 2004, 07:01:35 AM
Agreed... but just as long as they make one more Metroid game for the GBA. I want a thoroughly new GBA Metroid, like Minish Cap and of a much higher quality than Fusion. Something single-player to counter the DS's multiplayer game.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 15, 2004, 07:30:01 AM
Someone's picky. There are two GBA Metroid games and they both rock. No need to release another one unless you have insanely high standards.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 15, 2004, 07:52:20 AM
Sure, they rock, but Fusion was a bit too short and way too linear, and Zero was a remake. I get the feeling neither of them is representative of a GBA Metroid's true potential... certainly neither of them is as good as Super Metroid or Metroid Prime. I just have the feeling that if they made a proper sequel to Metroid Fusion on the GBA, using all the untapped potential of Samus' new Metroid powers they didn't really use in Fusion... I think I'd wet myself.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 15, 2004, 08:40:19 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 15, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
Whether intentional or not, it was a bit too much like Super Metroid for my taste. And most of the scenarios from Metroid 1 were in there. It's a bit like MGS:TT in the sense that it was Metroid 1 with Super Metroid controls and graphics.
I'm not saying it's a bad game, in fact I liked it a lot... I just wanted something new. Some new attacks, some new powerups... something Fusion should have provided but didn't really.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 15, 2004, 05:47:34 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on November 15, 2004, 06:27:54 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 15, 2004, 06:35:04 PM
I don't know. Maybe if it was cel-shaded... 2.5D looks crappy when it isn't cel-shaded. At least based on what we've seen so far.
I'd rather not go down that path though. 2D Metroid works and 3D Metroid works... so they should stick with 2D for the DS and 3D for the Revolution, that way everyone's happy.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 15, 2004, 07:53:15 PM
It's gotten better since polygon graphics don't look like blocky crap anymore but I generally don't like it. Ikaruga and SSBM are rare exceptions.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 15, 2004, 08:40:46 PM
It could be done... I have no idea how they'd keep the Metroid feel but I'm not doubting Retro again.
Post by: MattVDB on November 15, 2004, 10:22:54 PM
Sorry that was off topic. Echoes rocks. We all know it. I can't wait. My birthday is the 27th, so I have a feeling I won't be reading here much anymore. Spoilers are no bueno. Happy gaming ya'll.
(I just love this time of year)
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 16, 2004, 12:26:17 AM
Has really no one of you played the game yet?
Post by: chain chomp on November 16, 2004, 06:16:48 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on November 16, 2004, 07:33:09 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2004, 07:52:56 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 16, 2004, 07:56:29 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 16, 2004, 08:04:24 AM
Edit: I've got the game now. I hold it in my hands right now.
Let me just go on the record and state that I have never been this excited about a game, ever. I feel like a giddy little schoolgirl just before unwrapping presents on Christmas.
One thing's for sure: you're not seeing me here again until I've finished the game.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 16, 2004, 10:10:38 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2004, 10:55:20 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 16, 2004, 11:53:14 AM
I thought I had time... A whole hour passed in the blink of an eye and I have class in half an hour now. Where did the time go?
For a while at least I have to tear myself away from this game. I don't trust myself to play it and not be late to class.
I don't know about your expectations, but mine were pretty damn high (MP1 is my favorite game ever) and this game does NOT disappoint.
Edit: I thought it was one hour but apparently it was two.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 16, 2004, 12:39:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 16, 2004, 02:22:17 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2004, 02:57:37 PM
Post by: enigma487 on November 16, 2004, 04:25:22 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 16, 2004, 06:35:34 PM
I've finally gotten past the "introductory" phase of the game, which is still extremely early, but in all... wow...
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 17, 2004, 02:58:17 AM
well, take your time (not too much) and enjoy it, then come back and report
Post by: enigma487 on November 17, 2004, 05:03:51 AM
The game is simply amazing. The controls are all the same as the original. As for changes i've noticed, the Scan Visor is improved. When you wear it, there aren't little red or orange squares on things. Anything that can be scanned glows blue, red or green. blue and red being items not scanned(red for logbook or to activate things), and green for things that you have scanned. This makes it very convenient to walk around with the visor on, and just know that things have been scanned and need not be worried about. i've got high jump boots, bombs and missles. The story seems to come together pretty well. the two worlds are out of phase, but some things are half in each. The dark enemies can be kind of a pain. They are definately more difficult than you are used to seeing early in a game. Some graphic items have changed slightly. The Ship is a little more streamlined with hover things underneath instead of jets. Item pickups are slightly different.
and for my only complaint. It's stupid but it's bothering me. I get stuck in doorways. not like stuck where i have to quit out of the game, but just stopped for a second and have to jump to move again. it's happened to me about a half dozen times, and i think i'm about a fifth of the way through the game(judging by the logbook). but i'm not sure how many doors it happened in (it might have all been the same door..).
just a sidenote. i started a new game of MP this summer because i hadn't beaten it yet, and was stuck somewhere and could figure out where to go in my old game. i got to the end, tried to beat Metroid Prime once and died. didn't touch it till yesterday before my brother got home with MP2, i decided it needed to be beaten before i played 2. it took me 2 tries but i did it. I spent most of my first run yestereday looking for patterns, not really trying to do any damage. i found 'em, absolutely cleaned house on the second run. but i only got 98%!!! arggh!
Post by: Polemistis on November 17, 2004, 06:19:29 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 17, 2004, 08:50:41 AM
Before I start, I just want to mention I have no idea what enigma is talking about with the "stuck in doorways" thing. Mine works fine... not a hitch.
Anyway.
So far, I'm still finishing up the first area of the game - Just got light beam and 3 keys. Damn, Dark Samus is fun to fight. .
This game is just beautiful. I've been playing for at least 6 hours and I've loved every minute of it, easily on par with Metroid Prime 1, which may I mention again is my favorite game of all time. I have no idea what the reviewers were on about, bitching about difficulty... I haven't died yet. The difficulty is perfectly fine so far... challenging without being frustrating, and not so easy it's a chore. I'm expecting it to ramp up soon and I'm prepared to meet it head-on with my newly upgraded arsenal.
I love the whole dark world/light world thing. It's what made LttP my favorite Zelda game and I'm really enjoying it here. It's fun seeing the differences between light and dark world... the map is pretty much the same in both worlds, but the content of each room is changed... dramatically in most cases.
I'd go into more detail... there's stuff I'm itching to tell you guys about... but it's all spoiler material so I'll let you find out on your own.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 17, 2004, 10:08:55 AM
i consider myself lucky that I will soon get to devote myself to this peace of art
and Im not so sad about missing out on halo 2 and san andreas
Post by: enigma487 on November 17, 2004, 10:37:46 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 17, 2004, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 17, 2004, 06:23:22 PM
I also almost died (<10 health) with a save point 2 seconds away and enemies hot on my tail. Made it by a hair's breadth. Good thing too, almost lost an hour's progress. Adrenaline rush left me tingling for a while afterwards...
This is exactly how the difficulty should be. I couldn't be happier.
I got the super missile and the emerald translator now.
Post by: Caliban on November 17, 2004, 08:42:27 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 17, 2004, 08:44:27 PM
There were 4 in the first game... no idea if that's the case here, but then again you got the first one at 50 in the first game, not 40.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2004, 06:04:38 PM
I really liked the sequence of "minibosses" early in the game. The way they led to the Dark Agon boss fight by gradually wetting my appeitite made the Amorbis encounter feel wonderfully grand. "whoa... whoa... Whoa.... HOLY S----------!!" Amazing stuff.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 18, 2004, 08:03:11 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 19, 2004, 12:53:05 AM
Post by: ghostVi on November 19, 2004, 01:48:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
DAMN YOU ALL!!!
Post by: SgtShiversBen on November 19, 2004, 05:31:23 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 19, 2004, 08:24:37 AM
Post by: mjbd on November 19, 2004, 11:13:22 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 19, 2004, 11:23:48 AM
Morphball experiments: "Subjects were horribly broken."
BROKEN?! HAHAHA. It's not everyday you hear that adjective applied to a [semi]humanoid being.
Post by: Caliban on November 19, 2004, 05:42:59 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 20, 2004, 01:33:46 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 20, 2004, 01:51:30 PM
claim???
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 20, 2004, 02:05:29 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 21, 2004, 01:25:20 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 21, 2004, 12:34:35 PM
That's the same attitude I had going in. If you're anything like me you definitely won't be disappointed.
About the galleries... I've unlocked 3 now... there's one at 40, 60 and 80%, and probably another at 100.
Post by: MattVDB on November 21, 2004, 03:57:45 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 21, 2004, 08:07:25 PM
*is ver' happy*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 21, 2004, 08:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by: MattVDB
Does anybody have the numbers for a save for this game yet? The first needed 2 (one for the file and one for writing space. Check it out on your Animal Crossing card. You need 2 blocks free, even though the file is only 1 block). I just realized that Prime had some of the best saving thus far, and was curious how similar Echoes was.
Echoes is listed as "3 Blocks" in my mem-card menu.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 22, 2004, 08:06:21 AM
Post by: Polemistis on November 22, 2004, 09:16:34 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 22, 2004, 09:48:44 AM
You might want to spoiler that.
Cool though, no?
Post by: Polemistis on November 22, 2004, 12:41:33 PM
Do you guys just highlight it black?
TESTING
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 22, 2004, 12:43:38 PM
Replace ( ) with [ ]
Post by: Eminem on November 22, 2004, 05:11:47 PM
I'm not too fond of the new Samus. I just beat the game with 81% of the items. They reveal Samus but she looks like the one from Zero Mission, which is really dumb on their part. It makes Samus look like a kid. Well, I'm going to start Hard mode and go for 100%.
*End Spoilers*
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 23, 2004, 07:50:59 AM
now that was a major spoiler
and when you write "ending spoiler" before you write the spoiler
that makes it even worse
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 24, 2004, 10:59:10 PM
I stand by my earlier assertion. Favorite game ever, by far. I love this game to death.
I'm going to start again and 100% it this time.
Post by: Caliban on November 25, 2004, 12:11:47 AM
I thought it was wierd that the dark bosses in this game were always harder than Dark Samus, heck even for me Quadraxis was the easiest of the guardians and still I thought Dark samus was easier. The most I lost too (5 times) was against the boost guardian.
Post by: Syl on November 25, 2004, 05:19:34 AM
I'm rating it somewhere around a lower 90's score. There are a few things that I just really disliked with the game. Mainly the unnecessary amount of Keys. (4 translation keys, 9 "temple" keys and 9 more keys to the final area? it was just a stupid pain when the only thing in your way was a door you couldn't get past).
Overall though, the game was incredible.. The boss fights are what stole the show for me, which is the last thing i expected from a metroid game.
I could say more, but i'll just go back to playing baten kaitos.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 25, 2004, 10:13:15 AM
well, thanks for all the impressions im glad you enjoyed it
and keep your hopes up for Revolutions incredible MP3
Post by: Plugabugz on November 25, 2004, 10:39:20 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Metroid Prime becomes a trilogy, but MP3 coming out either smack at the very end of Cube's life [To possibly allow for a new Retro game?] or somewhere on Revolution.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 28, 2004, 12:51:00 AM
Right at the beginning, just after you get the missile, theres this room with some bee hives, and this wall which you have to shoot, which I did, but it just got fractured and nothing happened, and I couldnt find anything to scan to activate the morph ball cannon
so thanks in advance if you can help
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 28, 2004, 03:09:32 AM
anyway, great game, feels awesome and familiar (only about 2%in the game now) but
also has a great new feel to it
the setting seems more interactive and the mission more urgent, and I like that theres more story tied in this time
only thing that bothers me is that the logs from soldiers etc have to be read in the menu, I cant bother to do that, because I dont want to interrupt the game everytime I scan a new log
or am I doing something wrong?
Post by: Renny on November 28, 2004, 04:49:01 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 28, 2004, 08:01:10 AM
AWESOME GAME
Post by: mjbd on November 28, 2004, 08:17:48 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 28, 2004, 08:26:57 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on November 28, 2004, 10:07:16 AM
I was debating with a friend who recently bought Half Life 2 [and doesn't own any consoles], he thought that not having manual aim takes away from the experience of multiplayer. While to a point I agree, Retro did a good job at balancing the levels and power-ups and making most powerups temporary while keeping the lock on mechanic integral. The emphasis in "Metroid Multiplayer" shifted from accuracy to strategy.
In single player, I like the way how AI are a lot more aggressive. There is more umph to them. I'm only 15% in.
Is it me or has the world "unravelled" quicker compared to Prime?
Post by: mjbd on November 28, 2004, 12:54:41 PM
Post by: MattVDB on November 28, 2004, 10:34:32 PM
Short Version:
Wow
Longer Version:
After avoiding anything on the internet regarding this game for a long while, I have finally gotten the chance to play it. I avoided the demo as well, because I wanted to know little, as that is what I believe makes up a Metroid game.
I started a game for the first time, with a crowd of Metroid fans watching, and I plowed through the introduction. Phases like "Now THAT'S an elevator" and "HOLY cow" were quite frequent. Simply amazing. After the intro was done, I quit, as I did not have a blank memory card around.
So, we went and started a round of multiplayer. Not expecting much, I was blown away. The four of us playing are more then adequate when it comes to gaming, and we had an absolute blast. It was a shame this mode revealed powerups from later in the game, as I would have much rather discovered them for myself. A warning to those who want to play a "pure" metroid game, avoid the multi player until you have finished the single. Beams and upgrades at least are revealed in this mode. It makes it metroidy, yes, but it kills this single player experience some knowing some of the not before seen upgrades you are getting.
For the record, I haven't finished the game, so I can't offer a full review, but I am nearing completion, so I feel these to be accurate impressions.
The boss battles thus encountered are awesome. The last one I fought was just "eh", but the others were AMAZING. I beat the second to last boss in prime (MR) with 7 health on my first try left 2 years ago. The adrenaline was unparalleled in gaming up to then. These bosses aren't cut that close, but offer a very similar challenge, experience, and thrill. BIG plus. The music after each boss is also so cool as well, it is hard for me not to rate the game highly due to just that.
The load times are still seamless, but not so much masked anymore. Where as elevators were used as loading spots before, there are additional forms of loading spots now, and they can get fairly tedious. That would be the biggest complaint I can level at it thus far. None of the objectives or puzzles would seem tedious or boring if it wasn't for those, but as it is, I can see how people can and will be annoyed.
Suffice it to say, my brother loathed Prime. He is a big Metroid fan, but didn't like the atmosphere of the other game claiming it to be "Not Metroidy _enough_". Ironically, contrary to what most reviews have said, he has fallen in love with this game. I have not heard one bad word from him about it come out in the time I have had it.
Awesome game. Recommended on a whim.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 29, 2004, 06:11:10 AM
prove me wrong, please
Post by: SgtShiversBen on November 29, 2004, 09:47:18 AM
I agree about the elevators. Everytime I watch them I am still amazed how great they are. Overall, I'd say this game is more creepy than the frist one.
Post by: Uglydot on November 29, 2004, 10:19:25 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2004, 12:51:30 PM
And yeah, turning off hints from the beginning was the [fun] way to go.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 29, 2004, 01:09:09 PM
I played for about an hour of progress once (just minor upgrades) and came up through the water in the place leading to the save room in Torvus Bog to find out that they were in fact amphibious and much faster than my non-Gravity-Boosted-yet self. I had less than an energy tank left, tried to kill them in a brief futile effort, fell back in the water a couple of times then ran, jumped, dodged like a bat out of hell to the save room with roars and snaps and electrical buzzing all around me...
Got in that save room with less than 10 health left. Don't think I've felt a similar adrenaline rush in a long time.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 29, 2004, 06:13:38 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 30, 2004, 05:15:19 AM
I'm with 94% and I'm at the last boss (Ing King or whatever he is) and I am hoping to finish it at around 23 hours.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 30, 2004, 06:19:17 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 30, 2004, 08:45:38 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 30, 2004, 10:21:12 AM
Btw Hostile, I too thought that I was going quite fast at a point but then the percentage-time ratio slowed down . But from what I've read somewhere it seems you can pass this game in under 5 hours. You can have a try at that if you want.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on November 30, 2004, 11:30:42 AM
I think hes called amobious, the big fuking worm with the claws, before you enter the agon temple[spoiler/]
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Post by: MattVDB on November 30, 2004, 02:37:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2004, 03:00:28 PM
Me, I'm taking my sweet time. Sometimes I'll shower under a waterfall and listen to the soundtrack.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 30, 2004, 06:53:51 PM
If you haven't beat it yet: first stage is the jumping worm. Just shoot it. Shoot it until you kill it, nothing special. It'll then attach to the orb and attack differently. Shoot it until the mask breaks off, then it will fall down and a blue whirlwind will be sucking into it. Roll into morph ball and get sucked in and lay as many bombs as you can. It'll then switch to two jumping worms, kill them the same way, two worms on the ball, kill them the same way. Then it goes onto three, same thing again. Just harder because there are more of them. Hope that helps
Post by: Renny on December 01, 2004, 05:38:54 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 01, 2004, 10:10:39 AM
I've got 84% completion, 94% scans, somewhere around 80% items. 81, I think. I'll be going back to get everything else of course, though I may need some help in some cases.
Post by: MODE_RED on December 01, 2004, 10:28:49 AM
Improve the Control System as such:
1. Make the R button, when held halfway or clicked, turn the C-Stick into a Free Look/Aim that can be used while standing or running. The C-Stick still serves as a beam selector when R is not held. The L button still functions as Lock-On.
2. Change the R button’s click function to be Samus’ Primary Arm Cannon Shot/Morph Ball Bomb.
3. Change the function of the A button to a melee attack: Each chosen beam has its own melee attack and melee charge attack. Even the trusty Morph Ball can have a melee attack, such as spikes that can also be used as brakes and for traction. You can morph into the ball and use your bombs and spikes as part of a combo, which activates some fancy morph ball manuevers on your enemies, like juggling, running them over, bouncing on them, dropping onto them, letting them fall on your spikes, rolling up and down and around them while impaling them and more. The Spider and Boost Ball enhancements add more attacks to your arsenal. You could even morph out of the ball and shoot your enemy into the bomb you just laid to finish your combo. On defense, the melee attack is used to deflect both melee/projectile and energy attacks (depending on whether your beam is charged), and Samus’ jump and Morph Ball are used to dodge attacks.
Summary:
Instead of the R button turning the Analog Stick into a Free Look, the R button turns the C-Stick into a Free Look while the Analog Stick continues to allow freedom of movement at all times. The R button’s click serves as the old A button for weapon functions. The A button now becomes a melee attack/defense combo button that also activates Samus’ new Morph Ball Spikes ability that can be used for combat, traversing the environment and solving puzzles.
Imagine:
You're running through a hallway and you see a Space Pirate taking aim at you. You charge you beam and deflect his shot back at him using the A button, which stuns him. Still running, you jump in the air, morph into the ball and pounce on him with your spikes--but he block this attack with a shield. You swipe his shield out of the way with A, attack him a couple times with A, morph into a ball and hit him, lay a bomb, morph out of the ball hitting him, juggle him into the air from the blast, jump into the air and hit him with a screw attack, which tears him to shreds, or the screw attack grab, which spins him and tosses him into other enemies or into the wall.
Post by: xts3 on December 01, 2004, 12:47:51 PM
Metroid prime 2's gameplay is more of the same with cool new bosses, suits and a few new moves for samus. It's nothing revolutionary. Also the story is ultimately lame, and they totally dumbed down the Metroids in this game, they aren't scary at all like they were in the first prime. Most of the bosses were very cool, the last one at the end was nothing special.
Also the developers totally re-used a load of art and geometry from the first game, if you look at dead bodies lying around of the luminoth they are slightly re-touched Chozo models, how lame can you get? Dark Aether and light Aether are the same damn rooms with slightly modified geometry most of the time. Retro got majorly lazy in prime 2, and some of the weapon shots are badly designed (Looking at you sunburst).
I bet they invented that story once they realized that they were going to re-use the art, or planned the Art and geometry re-use of the rooms from the start. I felt like they cheated me out of 50% of the game by giving me the same levels only now they are "dark" with slightly modified geometry and slight layout changes in most cases.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2004, 01:08:13 PM
And we know how Metroid is known for its story and NPC-interaction...
Post by: xts3 on December 01, 2004, 01:18:21 PM
I didn't say anything about NPC interaction, just that the fleshing out of the story with no NPC's left the story not feeling cohesive. Metroid prime 2 didn't feel like a different world then metroid prime 1, it felt like you were on the same world as the last metroid and that you were playing "Metroid 2: The expansion pack!" rather then a sequel, remember they are supposed to AIM HIGHER with a sequel. Notice they tried to give metroid a story with the in-game cinematics, especially when you download the Marine log from the computer beside their ship. Don't give me this crap "metroid 2 was not about story" the whole god damn game you're trying to find keys and collect energy for the luminoth and they have dead bodies lying around with logs and data about the "story", all I'm saying was the presentation of the story was bad and the game felt like an expansion pack rather then a true full blooded sequel. MP2 felt more like Metroid 1.5, now with twice the lazyness of the developers.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 01, 2004, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 01, 2004, 03:13:25 PM
Actually, it's quite possibly one of the best methods of storytelling I've ever seen in a video game. Storytelling in RPGs like Final Fantasy outright sucks. Because it's different and inventive it's bad, eh? If you're not lazy and whiney, it's one of the most interesting ways to tell a story I can think of.
Otherwise I disagree with you too, but that's the main thing. It was not 1.5 by a longshot, though. Certainly a much more massive improvement than, say, Halo 2.
Post by: MODE_RED on December 01, 2004, 03:58:46 PM
They could have also added more features from the single-player to the multiplayer. Samus’ new abilities as described in my previous post would have IMHO, by themselves, greatly improved the multiplayer experience. The environments could stand to use more atmospheric elements that add to the gameplay, such as fog, darkness, snow, sand, moving water and areas with low traction due to moving sands or wind. You should be able to kill your opponents by knocking them into a greater variety of environmental hazards, like live wires, sand-lion traps and spikes. There should be swinging melee attacks from the grapple beam.
Have a Hunter mode where one player/team is the Hunter, and the other player/team is the Prey. The Prey has to get to the safe zones before being killed by the Hunter and before the safe zone relocates. If the Prey is successful in reaching these safe zones, the Prey escaped, the Hunter is killed and they switch roles. The safe zones heal the prey, add an energy tank and add a beam weapon or ability. The Hunter starts off with all the weapons and more energy tanks than the Prey. Also, Bomberman is a great multiplayer game. A morphball only, Bomberman style multiplayer mode would be a blast to play.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 01, 2004, 04:25:26 PM
Next I go for items, and then I beat hard mode. Though I may take a break before I try hard mode.
Edit: Okay, nevermind. Damn game doesn't save after I beat it, so I can't reap my well deserved rewards. How retarded is that? Anyone know how to work around this?
Another edit: Okay, nevermind again. It worked after all.
Post by: Gamefreak on December 01, 2004, 06:54:55 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 01, 2004, 07:05:36 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 02, 2004, 07:59:08 AM
So far im only 18%
just got dark suit
But its true that the magic and sensation that MP1 offered is not reached, maybe the geography or level design are more realistic now, but I still felt that MP1 offered more variety. But I shouldnt be so judgemental yet, I hope and expect the best yet to come.
Still, MP1 gave me a better first impression, thats something I can say for sure.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 02, 2004, 09:59:47 AM
Funny, I'm the exact opposite.
MP1 was very slow in the beginning for me, and only reached its peak near the end. It hooked me in slowly... the beginning didn't impress me much.
MP2 was non-stop loving from the second the title screen came on to the second it all ended.
Post by: Plugabugz on December 02, 2004, 11:58:42 AM
If we wanted Metroid Prime 2: Similarly designed but distinctly different echoes we could have begged them for it.
MP1 was a lot more slow and more lonely at the start. MP2 threw you all in it from the beginning.
Post by: MattVDB on December 02, 2004, 12:57:17 PM
SPOILERIFIC impressions. Don't read unless you have indeed beaten the game. Many new power ups, and almost all bosses will be talked about. Again, don't read unless you really want to spoil the game.
When I first started playing Echoes, it was in a party fashion. The majority of the people there were huge Metroid fanatics, and those that weren't quickly converted. The fog and the atmosphere set the mood perfectly. The game may have felt a little slow due to the amount of scanning to be done, but due to the atmosphere already set, that didn't matter. You were in a new game, and it was screaming "I rock, and you know it." Everybody at the party had a huge grin on their face the whole time. Twas sweet.
After the party got over, I plugged away until I got the dark suit. The boss fight with the 6 worms before that was simply amazing. Possibly because I had been away from the MP controls long enough to have forgotten some of the subtleties or what, I don't know. That battle was intense, and just gobs of fun. After getting the suit, it was enough for one day.
I played again the next day, and died for the first time at the boost guardian. The death sequence was most definitely improved, and I loved it. After playing a good portion of the day, I went to bed after fighting the Chykka. Again, talk about a sweet boss. I didn't die on it either, but it was most definitely intense. I absolutely loved it.
I started playing some yet again the next day, and entered the last section of the game, the fortress. The Aezbit effect was most definitely cool, but ultimately they were just lame and took too long to kill. I was impressed with this level through and through in the design aspects, but didn't enjoy playing it so much. I thought it was neat, and an interesting turn for the Metroid series when I first saw it, but I wouldn't go back just to "take it all in" like I could, and probably will do with the rest of the sections in the game. The boss fight at the end against the machine was lackluster compared to the other two, and that was sad, considering the talk of all the awesome bosses beforehand.
That is the mark I think the game took a turn for the worse. I don't know what exactly made it that way, but it did. Apparently, because no reviewers wanted to spoil the end of MP and say that they didn't enjoy collecting all the artifacts in the other game, that Retro thought that was a good idea to do it again. Wrong. Those would have made for sweet secrets, unlocking art pieces, characters for multiplayer, or whatever, but making the collection of 9 keys over the world was a pointless chore. I did get through it in a timely manor, and even got some before I was sent out to them, but it most certainly wasn't "fun" to go and get them all.
Again, a big differing point for MP. After collecting all of the artifacts, you were treated to one of the best boss battles in the game, if not "the" boss battle. It was most definitely my favorite: Meta Ridley. Here, we go to the dark version of where the luminoth was, and we get another lack luster boss battle. I died a total of 1 times on the emperor vs the probable dozen I died on MP (I didn't die on Meta Ridley, but I sure came close). The battle wasn't difficult, you just had to stay alive long enough to hit his hands off, then charge your light beam a few times and hit him. Not a challenge. The ball part of him gave you all your health back too if you wanted it.... Sure, the boss looked impressive, but most definitely didn't compare with the others at the end of the original, or even the first 2.
The fight with Dark Samus was a joke. A complete joke. The only reason I died is because I ran out of time due to not scanning her 4th version (I missed the change from version 3 to 4). At the time I was glad to see that I didn't have to fight the Emperor again, but in actuality, I am disappointed. I feel that if you were able to endure that many version of the Emperor, and Dark Samus is that easy, that you should have been forced to do both on the same try. Just my thought.
I didn't finish the original Metroid, but I can only imagine its final boss fight. I can't imagine it being easy. I have played through all the others countless times, and the final boss was never a push over. How many times did you die to the Queen Metroid at the end of Metroid 2? Exactly. The boss battles in prime 2 were only outdone by the ending.
For me, there are subtle things that make up metroid games. Firstly, there is a sense of aloneness. I was willing to forego that in this game, by getting missions from the luminoth, so I didn't mind there being other people. Secondly, the simple exploration and back tracking. This game nailed it. I would get stuck in an area and just think back to the last game that is happened in, and guess what, it was a metroid one. It simply rocks, and Echoes captured it wonderfully. Many people would argue platforming is a big part as well. Personally, I don't find it necessary, but they nailed that as well to, so kudos to them. Then, it gets a little bit more dicey, but personally, I have a few reserves. Death sequences since Super's have to be awesome. They kept that up, and boy was I impressed this time. Most definitely cool. Next would be the last 5% of the game. That would include the final boss fights, and the ending. Well, you already know how I feel about the final boss fights here, so the ending has to be good, right? I only wish. Seeing Samus type into her gun, and jump off the crater entrance in MP was just sweet. Seeing her take her helmet off was cooler, and seeing the Phazon suit being ripped off and coming up again was much cooler. What do we get in this one? Well, after beating it with 80 percent, I should have at least got something comparable to the first 2, much as you would have in the original. Nope. Samus waves good bye to the Luminoth, takes her whole suit off, looks like a CARTOON (what happened to the model they used last time? Her face at least looked good then. Her face looked good through the visor in this one, but fully revealed looked remarkably dumb. I laughed and couldn't believe they actually released it), and casually boards her ship. What happened to the coolness factor bubbling over in the rest of the game? I wish we had a collectors edition DVD in which we could get an explanation as to why they had to do that, much like Halo 2 has.
As soon as I finished the first prime, I immediately started over on hard. My jaw hit the floor so hard after seen Samus get squashed by the Elite pirate, and the final boss fights were just awesome, I had to see them on a higher difficulty. This time, I finished, and had no immediate desire to start back over (I do now, but don't know if I will actually have time).
I beat it in 17 hours with 95% scans, and 82 percent collected. Where was the "longer and more challenging" game they promised? It took me closer to 30-40 hours to beat prime, taking my sweet time, getting around 50 percent scans and 69 percent of the items.
All these impressions make it sound like I didn't like the game at all. Not true. I loved it...for the most part. The underwater jet upgrade rocked, the screw attack rocked, and the new suits rocked (even though IGN's review spoiled the last suit. Now I seriously loath IGN), but after the 3rd boss, things seemed to take a turn for the worse, rather than get better, like most metroid games do. Remember the SA-X? Remember the terror involved in facing it? What happened to that? I was hoping/expecting the same thing from Dark Samus, but all I got was a push over boss all 4 times. Now I am curious to play through the game on hard, just to see if that terror can indeed be put in place. I don't like the idea of having the "real" version (hard mode) be the un-lockable one. Next time, it should be selectable from the start, so the game can be played the way it was meant to be played.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 02, 2004, 05:17:08 PM
And I loved the third boss, it's my favorite of the first three. I don't see why people hate it so much.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 02, 2004, 06:34:26 PM
I agree with MattVDB for the first part of the game. Excellent. I think I preferred the backtracking in Prime, but it was definitely very good in this game. The music is atmospheric, awesome, and the environments are stunning, some of the best I've seen. The bosses, even the subguardians, were all innovative, challenging, and tons of fun. The enemies were new and interesting, but I have a gripe regarding that which I'll discuss later on.
Logbook is greatly improved. I like the old, scientific looking pictures, but the actual enemy clip isn't bad either. I have 100% now, which I never got in Prime for a variety of reasons. Missing the Hive Totem for one thing. Damn Hive Totem. And I really like all the new galleries, too.
Multiplayer is okay, but I've only played it with my sister so far, and no one who really knows Metroid, so I can't say for sure how fun it is.
Took less time to beat it, I think, but I went through this very quickly, and I was used to everything (plus I'd played up to the bomb guardian without saving, so I knew that part). I finished at around seventeen hours, with 85% completion and about 90% scans, maybe a bit more. Probably 94%, actually. I hadn't put the final bosses into the equation.
Up to the first boss was great, like he said. Boss battle was fun and intense, and I think that's where I stopped the first time through, too (I'd playing up to the bomb guardian without a mem. card, since it was at college, but the first time I saved). The second boss was also very cool, and I had to ask for help regarding how to beat it (I'd actually tried going behind it, but I hadn't combined the seeker missile idea with it yet, which I'd only tried from the front).
The Aezbit effect was cool, but they were aggravating enemies otherwise, and I passed them up whereas I fought pirates in the first game. That's my gripe. The smaller enemies are less fun to fight after the initial interaction with them. The Pirate Commandos, probably the most common, are as annoying as the chozo ghosts, and just waste my missiles (which is never a problem, running out, but I always feel like it is). No fun pirates to kill. That, for me, was the most detrimental aspect of the game. Ing are cool, but eventually I just use the annihilator + light beacon to kill them, especially when trying to explore or look for items. Because, you see, I didn't think the last quarter lacked quality.
I'd have to agree with paladin there. I prefer the third to the first two (though they're both great fights). The spider ball aspect, the echo visor. I dunno, I just like that boss more than the first two. Nor did I mind collecting the keys. It took me maybe twenty minutes to do so, having collected only one prior to that, and it was far from difficult to find them. The artifacts were much more of a pain. They could have done something else to make a gap between the bosses, but that didn't bother me. I would recommend change in the future, though.
The final boss. . . Emperor Ing was a fun fight, and he got me down to my last energy bar (about 43 health, and Ridley got me to 7, so no big difference. I may have had more energy tanks in one than the other, but I don't know how many or anything). The first stage isn't that hard, but I enjoyed it. Second stage I thought was cool (I really like the incorporation of the morph ball in the game, particularly with bosses. Part of the reason I like Quadratix so much, and the Spider Guardian was probably my favorite sub-guardian (though when the bomb guardian spewed tons of morph ball bombs from his mouth, that was cool. Boost Guardian was tough, died two times I think). Third stage was wickedly cool, though quite aggravating when I had to use the dark beam, cuz I could never get it to hit him. I didn't die, but I didn't die on Meta Ridley, and I only died once or twice in Prime (I died a total of three times in Prime, as opposed to four or five in this).
Final Dark Samus: looked cool, felt cool, died twice. Overall lackluster, though. The other two fights were much more impressive. They should have given less time, definitely, and maybe a little more variety in her attacks. Mostly it was tough to figure out how to use the charge beam and phazon, which I got the second time through but too late. After beating her, though. . . that cinema just blew me away. Seriously, my heart ran cold or something. It was just incredible.
Her escaping from Dark Aether was pretty cool. Kinda silly, how she jumped out of the portal, but that's fine. The Luminoth thanks wasn't exactly stunning, but her waving like that as she walked into the light was really cool.
Samus without her suit didn't impress me. The face from the first game was much better, and this was a disappointment. Tomorrow I plan on getting 100% items (at 98% now), and I'll check back with my impressions on the reward cinema then.
So as a whole, I like it a ton. It could use improvements, but what can't? I disagree that it lost speed in the last quarter, though Dark Samus was a bit disappointing, as far as fighting her the final time went. And that cinema is still awesome. Yeah. That's what I thought.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2004, 06:59:32 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 03, 2004, 05:40:02 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on December 03, 2004, 08:30:28 AM
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 03, 2004, 09:24:04 AM
The bonus movie is not that exciting. A very little something for those of us who like to collect 100%, like myself, but no reason to get it if you don't feel like it.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 03, 2004, 09:35:39 AM
im stuck in the torvus bog, right at the beginning in the great bridge room theres a light door and a orb cannon, but for some reason the interface cant be scanned because of intereferences I dont even see????and its not like I can do anything in the other rooms, because of lacking items, or stupid interferences of interfaces, any suggestions?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2004, 09:50:32 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 03, 2004, 12:16:17 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 03, 2004, 12:30:50 PM
Its funny how this thread is so dominated by spoilers and looks really wierd
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 03, 2004, 12:51:12 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2004, 12:57:45 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 06, 2004, 09:21:25 AM
any suggestions on how to best beat the Boostguardian???
Post by: Plugabugz on December 06, 2004, 11:34:36 AM
I beat the thing with 3 energy tanks and only 20 points left.
That's all i can say on it!
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 06, 2004, 01:31:58 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 07, 2004, 08:49:50 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 07, 2004, 09:07:49 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on December 08, 2004, 09:44:10 AM
"Samus Aran must explore the light and dark worlds of doomed planet, but time runs short.."
Post by: StRaNgE on December 08, 2004, 09:54:53 AM
up till the other day i was told it could be beat in less then 10 hours and that is was nothing more then pretty much the same game as the 1st.
not really a big deal if so but would like to know if that is the case before buying it new.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 08, 2004, 10:17:40 AM
As for beating it in less than ten hours, it can be done, but you won't be doing it the first time around. Generally takes about 20 or so hours, took me seventeen and I went through quick (and already knew a portion of the game, having played it before). Metroid Prime was beat in an hour and a half by someone, but that doesn't mean you'll be doing it. Trust me, it takes a pretty good amount of time.
Plugabugz, mine says "of a doomed planet".
Edit: Ironic that I have a typo there. Mine says, not mine say.
Post by: StRaNgE on December 09, 2004, 06:38:43 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 09, 2004, 10:54:23 AM
Zelda OOT was my favourite game ever(im sure im not the only one) and MP1 comes second, MP2 is just more and refined MP1, but one hell of a game(so far, only 25% in).
Post by: Plugabugz on December 10, 2004, 01:05:28 AM
My one only grudge with both Prime and Echoes is the camera transition from first to third person. When Samus is facing in an opposite direction [in first person] for which the camera has to change [to go to morph ball], the camera goes more nuts in Echoes than Prime.
Post by: vudu on December 15, 2004, 09:08:43 AM
Are there any items/creatures/enemies (besides bosses) that can only be scanned at one time in the game?
The first time I played Metroid Prime, I didn't scan the wasps from the missle mini-boss because I didn't realise they were a seperate entry from the normal wasps. I'd like to avoid making a similar mistake this time around.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 15, 2004, 09:35:40 AM
I got 100% scans, but you've got to be very attentive toward everything.
Post by: Plugabugz on December 15, 2004, 10:52:33 AM
I'm a little upset with a blatant rehash of an enemy: the luminoth cleaning drone in MP2 is just basically the pulse bombu in MP1.
Post by: mjbd on December 26, 2004, 09:41:53 AM
Post by: RetroStudiosIsAwesome! on December 28, 2004, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on December 29, 2004, 03:22:27 AM
I dont know, even though its awesome, it seems to me that it has even more backtracking then the last one
maybe its just me, but I prefered the first one, I think at times I had an easier time to get myself to play through the first one a second time then I do when playing MP2
Post by: ChaosMaster220 on December 31, 2004, 07:49:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 31, 2004, 08:12:25 PM
Post by: ChaosMaster220 on January 01, 2005, 08:55:12 AM
the dark visor is my personal favorite and i also like the light suit I also enjoy that your visor actully gets messed up if you are in rain it doesn't just bounce off you and leave no mark like in other platform/FPS.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 02, 2005, 07:23:09 AM
Post by: ChaosMaster220 on January 02, 2005, 10:28:16 AM
Post by: Smadte on January 02, 2005, 06:10:53 PM
I'm enjoying MP2 very much, but I just don't see how anyone can get through the entire game without the hint system. There's really no structure in comparison to the first game, but it's still very enjoyable.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 02, 2005, 06:30:07 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 02, 2005, 09:11:01 PM
I don´t think that the first game was too soft! I think you must be a real hardcore gamer to make such a statement. Can´t get things hard enough? If people say things like you do too much, I really don´t think that there will be a lot of people buying the games in that series in the near future. NCL President, Satoru Iwata, already took steps to move gaming in a much simpler direction, as games have indeed become too complex. People just don´t have the time, or don´t bother the struggle to complete games that are too difficult.
Only true hardcore gamers will bother to pick up the fight each time.
I´ve seen enough to know what I talk about.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2005, 11:26:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Smadte
Periods, man!!! P.E.R.I.O.D.S!!!!
I'm enjoying MP2 very much, but I just don't see how anyone can get through the entire game without the hint system. There's really no structure in comparison to the first game, but it's still very enjoyable.
I've been playing it without the hint system (tho I haven't played it in over a month, farthest I'm at is beginning of Sanctuary Fortress), and I find it more rewarding. If you've already had a lot of experience with the first Prime (and previous Zelda experience also helps), then it's not as difficult as it seems, THANKS TO the lovely detailed Map System. Basically, you evaluate the tools you have, then you check the map to see where you haven't been (what doors you haven't opened), then you visit the places, investigate, unlock new rooms, and be pleasantly surprised. The map says so little, yet shows so much.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on January 03, 2005, 02:06:56 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 03, 2005, 04:41:23 AM
Post by: ChaosMaster220 on January 03, 2005, 07:23:04 PM
[Look I put P.E.R.I.O.D.S man]
Post by: Gamebasher on January 05, 2005, 10:40:34 AM
The first one was perfectly balanced in difficulty and learning curve. But I still recall having big issues with the buttons, when I had to perform various maneuvers in boss battles. I sometimes felt like my fingers were being twisted slowly, for simply having to cross my fingers to do the required actions. Still, I could juuust make it, and finish the game! But I NEVER expected that the much anticipated sequel would be harder.
I feel that the sales numbers for that first GCN Metroid game, speaks for themselves too. A lot of people liked to play through it. But when you felt you took a punishment in certain important sections playing that first game, you feel it´s torture to go through a sequel which has been made MORE difficult. So while I don´t want to insult the people who really feel it´s a great sequel, I still am compelled to ask the question WHY they increased the difficulty? Do they realize how many casual gamer may be put off by the increased difficulty? THere will be scroes of people who will complain. I recall they did with the second last Boss in MP1. I did too, and it took me 30 attempts to finish it and move on to the final Boss.
I certainly can´t be the only player who is dissapointed in Metroid Prime 2.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on January 05, 2005, 12:29:13 PM
it often gives hints far too late and youve already discovered where to go
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Post by: Hostile Creation on January 05, 2005, 09:30:13 PM
Post by: Caillan on January 05, 2005, 10:03:56 PM
For some reason the soldier's logs gain my attention. Even though they are a minute part of the game, they still break the atmosphere for me. It always feels awkward reading prose full of slang and cliches in a medievil RPG, because I always presume it has been translated from a strange and faraway language, and it follows that in the future our language will have sufficiently changed to warrant translation as well.
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Hardcore gamers oft complain of Wind Waker being too easy, whereas I know plenty who liked the challenge just fine, and even a few who found it too difficult to play.
I do not consider myself to be a hardcore gamer, but the ease with which I completed WW detracted much from the game's experience for me. I'm playing it through with three hearts now, and I still haven't died once, despite having completed all but the last level of the monster labrynth on Outset.
The puzzles themselves are often nothing but a series of tasks requiring no cognitive challenge at all. Consider the mirror puzzle in the earth temple: after identifying the next mirror you can move, and shifting it along its trench into it's hole, you have completed that part of the puzzle. Once Medli's tricks have been learned, there is nothing more. I realise it would be a departure from the series, but perhaps some sort of 'hard mode' would benefit the next Zelda?
Post by: Switchblade Cross on January 06, 2005, 01:43:22 AM
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I suppose Samus's operating system is named "Navi XP."
I've yet to look at it in further detail. But there is a visor effect that may revial such things. I know for a fact it show her suit model number...
*Update*
Chozo Battle Suit Ver. 4468-VM6-P
Computer and Operating System wise, the system only reffers to itself as "Main Computer Systems" during a status check. This leads me to belive that the OS is embedded and indiffrent to the hardware. Also, you have to think diffrently. Samus isint exactly using a desktop operating environment like virtually every OS today.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on January 06, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 08, 2005, 07:59:32 AM
Really?
Well, then does that mean that Retro is o n l y interested in selling their new game to highly skilled, educated gamers hardcore type players who don´t mind fighting bosses so tough you have to go back and back and back again to the last save point until you tire of it and give up? Even despite all the walkthroughs, since they basically just say the same thing, and help nothing. Nomatter how much you want to see the rest of the gameworld awaiting beyond the Boss you now face, you can´t go anywhere. Not just stuck, but dead-stuck.
To me, that spells too much frustration, and less entertainment. Like I said in my previous replies to this topic, I think that they (Retro) will wind up scaring many casual gamers away (the ones they want to attract, to increase the sales), because of the magnitude of difficulty in even the early bossbattles. I gave up at Amorbis, because I couldn´t see what I was fighting, it is too dark and the radar didn´t help me a bit. I was also feeling that the camera was set too low on the ground in relation to the towering boss attacking above, so that it became impossible to feel in control of the situation. I didn´t feel that once with any Boss in MP1!
I think the people who increased the difficulty in MP2, should have tried to play the bossbattles themselves. Or maybe invent a better controller which won´t have you twist your fingers, on top of them gliding around in handsweat, when attempting to operate Samus in battlemode! No kidding, that´s how I felt. Maybe my hands are too big, still not much different from other guys hands here.
So, to go back to where I quit: entertainment became harassment after 15 tries and a decision to stop playing. I even sold the game, and bought two other games instead. I simply realised that it would become a hell to play through, and I would just fling the controller into the wall multiple times until either it or I broke down in raving rage over a game made much too difficult for good measure. Just love the Metroid Prime worlds, but when I can´t proceed to see it, it´s an over and out thing for me. Hope they make the next one, more like the first one.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 08, 2005, 08:55:41 AM
Wow. I can't help but feel you're grossly exaggerating. If you're not, though, this probably isn't the game for you.
MP2 doesn't coddle you like most games out there, and I appreciate that. There's no fun in just going through the motions... the game does challenge you to survive at points, to use everything you've learned thus far in overcoming the enemies you face, especially the bosses... but I wouldn't have it any other way. The bosses in MP2 are easily among the most enjoyable I've ever fought in any game.
The funny thing is I don't even consider myself much of a hardcore gamer. You're not going to gain my sympathy by flashing that card. If I could do it, I don't see why anybody else couldn't.
Post by: Uglydot on January 08, 2005, 08:58:32 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2005, 09:20:30 AM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 09, 2005, 06:41:55 AM
THANKS!
NOW I know I am not the only one who is trouble by the INCREASED difficulty of the Metroid Prime 2 bosses!
Take that, you so-called non-hardcore gamers. Can´t get it hard enough? You´re in the minority! If not so on this Forum, you are in the mainstream gaming world!! There´s nothing that explicitly demands over-hard bosses to make a good game! And the first one, with it fantastic exploration-elements stand as testimony to that!! It was actually POSSIBLE to proceed and to get to see the whole game through to the end. Not so with this one.
I always thought there should be something for everyone in a game, but this game has been overdone in the level of difficulty. And then it´s just not fun anymore.
And another thing: I DO like the Metroid series! Only this game I don´t, for the stated reasons.
Post by: Uglydot on January 09, 2005, 07:35:33 AM
Post by: parodyofanangel on January 09, 2005, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 12, 2005, 02:13:05 PM
I got stuck in some parts, specially with the keys, and Im guilty that out of desperation I look for in faqs a couple of times, but I played the game almost entirely without any help aside from the hints that the scans gave, my final time and percentage (this is a bit embarrasing because it took me too long) 27:50 scans: 94% items 90%
My only complain about the game was Samus' model without her suit, I liked more her face in the first prime. Overall it was an awesome game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2005, 02:23:41 PM
Well get used to it, because this is her official look...The one in Prime was horribly off...
Post by: Switchblade Cross on January 12, 2005, 04:14:19 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 12, 2005, 05:55:06 PM
lets follows Bill's advice
the look of her in echoes its a bit more "cartoony" while in prime her face looked very real, I suppose thats why I like it more, but its not that I dont like this one.
Something I really liked was her eye expression when dark samus in her last agonizing moments came close to her, that was great! we didnt get to se her full face, but we still could figure out her feelings just by looking at her eyes, great indeed.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 14, 2005, 04:42:28 AM
IGN speculates on Metroid Prime sales numbers and their implications
Could it really be that a lot of other people, too, found the sequel to Metroid Prime annoyingly difficult, and so decided to buy other games on offer, instead?
Of course, I think so! I even heard that people chose Halo 2 over Metroid Prime 2, because it was more "accessible", or something like that.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 14, 2005, 05:19:48 AM
People are telling each other how difficult MP2 is, and because everybody's a [edit due to offense], that results in less sales.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 14, 2005, 06:51:40 AM
You are being extremely offensive here, mind!
I am NOT a crybaby wimp, and the others are not crybaby wimps either, because we found the game´s bosses or other things about the game too much! So, again I say, you are in the minority, if you think it should be so so hard and that only coming back and back and back to figure out how to beat the bosses is fun. There are other ways to make a game fun, and to get the majority to think that! Nintendo know´s that, and have so far, except for Mario Sunshine, not made any games that were too difficult for good measure.
Have it your way, let others have it theirs! You should definititely refrain from calling people abusive names! That game is far more difficult, than the first one, and it´s just not fun to play anymore. This is entertainment, allright, not a military mission!! There is indeed a very clear dividing line between when it´s fun and entertaining and where it´s just not at all fun, but instead annoying! In the first game they had figured out how to be the first thing. In the second, they went over the edge, probably for fear of not being inventive enough in the gamedesign, and it became the last thing!!
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 14, 2005, 06:55:09 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 14, 2005, 08:14:08 AM
Regardless, why do you think you have the right to decide where the line is? I say there's also another, more prominent line, when a game becomes so easy it's just not enjoyable anymore because all you're doing is going through the motions... I'm glad Metroid Prime 2 is not near that line. If developers listened to what you say, more games would be closer to that line... and I don't want that happening.
You say "enjoy your games, let others enjoy theirs"... but that's not what you're doing, what you're doing is taking a game I'm perfectly happy with and requesting changes that would make it worse.
And what's with this "repeating boss" business? The most times a boss killed me in MP2 is 2.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 15, 2005, 12:38:16 AM
The worst thing though is how I've spent several hours hunting down the same crap I found in the first game. I was at least hoping for some new stuff. The light and dark beams use ammo and offer nothing but the ability to open white and black doors, it makes me want to barf. The echoe beam sounds cool and underused. Why couldn't there have been a rocket pack? What about the ability to switch suits with a dead pirate and go stealth deep into their base?
Post by: Gamefreak on January 15, 2005, 06:53:25 PM
Anyway.... Thought this might interest you guys. IGN has finally postd their overall multiplatform GOTY 2004 awards... All editors from all IGN sites voted. While Prime didn't get the top award, it did very well. To very surprising categories, seemingly proving that IGN isn't crazy after all...
For best graphics, Half-Life 2 got the award. Big surprise. Now guess which game was the single runner up? Metroid Prime 2! IGN seems to really adore this game's art direction, placing it second overall in graphics for 2004 over the likes of technically impressive PC juggernauts such as Far Cry, DOOM 3, Rome: Total War, and Riddick. The only other console game that might have been a challenge was Ninja Gaiden, but I don't know how much of a chance that had in the IGN editor's minds.
And finally, for overall Game of the Year, IGN chose to have one winner and two runners up. Half-Life 2 won the overall award, fairly unsurprisingly. Remember, IGN's overall GOTY was voted by all IGN editors, and there are a lot of IGN sites. One for each console, the PC, the handhelds, hardward, sports, cars, blah blah. And guess who the two runners up for Game of the Year were? Halo 2 and San Andreas? Nope. World of Warcraft or Metal Gear Solid 3? Nope. These four may be the most rabidly publicized, but the IGN editors voted Burnout 3 and Metroid Prime 2 to go down as their top 3 games of 2004 along with Half-Life 2. Not bad for an arcade racer and an overblown expansion pack (of epic proportions, to be sure...).
Oh, and Samus is shorter than the Marines because she is a chick a the marines are big buff dudes. And yeah, if you look up various nerdy pieces of info from old nerdy Nintendo sources you'll find out that Samus is like 6'4" or something crazy like that. Now her suit only looks like it adds maybe 3 or 4 inches to her height.. But still a six foot chick is pretty ridiculous and I think Nintendo was just trying too hard back then to stress the point that Samus is a big tough manly girl.. And Retro probably laughed and shrunk her back to a normal height....
Post by: Gamebasher on January 16, 2005, 10:35:01 AM
Let me comment on your reply. You wrote:
"Regardless, why do you think you have the right to decide where the line is? I say there's also another, more prominent line, when a game becomes so easy it's just not enjoyable anymore because all you're doing is going through the motions... I'm glad Metroid Prime 2 is not near that line. If developers listened to what you say, more games would be closer to that line... and I don't want that happening."
I think I have that right, from a personal viewpoint and from playing through lots of games that dissapointed as opposed to the few that really delighted me. Metroid Prime was dead-on accurate as regards effort vs. reward, which is not the case with this sequel. I agree, that when a game becomes too easy, it´s also not fun. But what I was saying in my last reply to the post here was that I on the contrary found this game too difficult. Either way, there´s no balance! I definitely not saying that games should be too easy, but they should neither be too hard!
So what I want developers to do, is to have playtesters of al kinds of both hradcore and softcore kind play through games they are making, in order for them to decide when they have hit the exact right balance between not to easy and not too difficult! They did that with Metroid Prime 1, why didn´t they do it with the sequel? There are people, who are dreading that dark world on the other side, and just wanting to escape from it the moment they get in there. Do you think, then, that it´s appropriate to also increase the difficulty of the bosses in such an environment? I don´t! I don´t even think the games is anywhere near as beautifull as the first one. The awesome ice worlds, and the just as awesome fire worlds have been totally omitted, and instead this scary dark one is there. I really feel that beautifull surroundings play an all-important role in any game! In particular, if the game is very very hard. That has a direct bearing on how you feel about it. And in my opinion, the choice of environments in this sequel, has made it a nightmare to play! So I canned it!!
"You say "enjoy your games, let others enjoy theirs"... but that's not what you're doing, what you're doing is taking a game I'm perfectly happy with and requesting changes that would make it worse."
What I was really saying, was that there is more people who dislike this game, than there was the first time around. This games sells less, for obvious reasons, just look at my reply earlier in this topic and see the IGN newsarticle stating the latest sales numbers for MP2 and their comments to it! I was not trying to ruin your oppotunity to get such games, I was merely expressing my own opinion, and that is all there is to it. However, that opinion is shared by many. And the majority vote will always be the one who decide how a game should be!
Post by: nemo_83 on January 17, 2005, 12:11:03 AM
What do you guys think about a Metroid Revolution thread now?
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 17, 2005, 12:15:39 AM
There's nothing to discuss anyway.
Gamebasher:
"However, that opinion is shared by many."
Do you have anything to back this up? I didn't think the complaints were widespread...
Post by: Gamefreak on January 17, 2005, 08:09:30 AM
Oh, and Paper Mario 2 got best RPG. It's been sweeping this award on all sites...
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 17, 2005, 08:26:58 AM
A Metroid Revolution thread would be pointless.
Post by: boggy b on January 17, 2005, 10:42:15 AM
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So.... how do you guys feel about IGN naming Metroid Prime 2 the runner up to Best Graphics (behind only Half-Life 2) and a runner up to Game of the Year with Burnout 3 (Half-Life 2 got GOTY)? I think this just proves IGN XBOX and IGN PS2's immaturity and inability to ignore hype. They rated San Andreas and Halo 2 9.9 and 9.8. They are fine games to be sure, but there is no way the PS2 version of San Andreas deserves a 9.9 with it's clunky controls, technical issues, and pitiful graphics... And this is the third PS2 GTA and it's still not fixed. As for Halo 2, just like the original it is an unfinished, rushed game, and this time there are graphical issues and abnormalities too. Anyway, at least it shows the rest of IGN isn't crazy, because they got all the editors from all IGN sites together to vote on the awards, and they named Metroid Prime 2 the 2nd best looking game of the year (above even DOOM 3, Far Cry, Riddick, and Rome: Total War) and named Metroid Prime 2 in the top 3 overall games of 2004. I want to see the rest of their top ten though, I'm curious as to what order they put the rest of 2004's best games in (Rome: Total War, Far Cry, Halo 2, San Andreas, Snake Eater, Ninja Gaiden, World of Warcraft....).
Oh, and Paper Mario 2 got best RPG. It's been sweeping this award on all sites...
What's the problem here? MP2 got second best graphics of the year and runner up for game of the year. I don't see anything wrong (?).
Post by: Uglydot on January 17, 2005, 11:03:51 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 17, 2005, 11:30:45 AM
No, not really. I've seen both... granted, HL2 is almost photorealistic... but that also means it's boring to look at after a while.
To me it's a matter of art style, and MP2 trumps HL2 in that regard.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 17, 2005, 11:34:42 AM
470,000 copies of Prime 2 after it´s launch to market, but the original sold 722,000 copies in the same period! It has now sold over 1 million. IGN thinks that the lower sales numbers for the sequel, is due to it being designated for an older demographic! Do you know what I think? I think that, yes, it has to do with the game being designated for an older demographic, but also that would mean it would be more difficult to play, which is exactly what it is! Older players demand more difficulty, they think, so they up the difficulty and alienate the younger players who can´t follow anylonger. Or to whose parents it is too scary looking, so that it is not bought. Of course, there are many reasons. But I just mentioned some of them.
That leaves me feeling that, that type of game belongs more on an x-box than a GameCube! It is too mature! Little kids will pee their pants, playing through it! So why did Nintendo allow this dark theme and this level of difficulty? To attract the adult gamers, and leave out the younger ones? I am sure there were scores of younger players who loved the original and wanted to play the sequel but didn´t because they were scared off! Can´t prove it, but I feel that!!
X-box was from the start a gameconsole with mostly adult games that families with young kids would never allow into their homes. That was not, and will never be, Nintendo´s domain - thank heaven! So, to me, MP2 is for adults, and not kids or those with a childish heart (like myself). So I think that they let Retro shoot themselves in the foot by making a Metroid Prime sequel too difficult for good measure, alienating the core audience of the GCN: the kids! Up next is Resident Evil 4! Many families will deselect that one, too! Why? Because it is too scary! And probably also too difficult.
They could have just lowered the difficulty a bit more, included a few of the awesome MP1 weapons and it would have sold more, in my opinion!
The sales numbers always tell their own little story! I really think I am right, you know! If not completely right, I am still right around there!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2005, 11:37:23 AM
But it truely is a poor example...Echoes had more competition and it's also not counting people that bought Prime expecting a Halo-like experience and finding something different, thus not buying the sequel...
Post by: boggy b on January 17, 2005, 11:44:11 AM
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"To say Metroid Prime 2 had better graphics than HL2 is just idiocy."
No, not really. I've seen both... granted, HL2 is almost photorealistic... but that also means it's boring to look at after a while.
To me it's a matter of art style, and MP2 trumps HL2 in that regard.
Ahhh, truley the words of someone who's never played HL2 all the way though. Or indeed, much at all.
Screenshot 1
Screenshot 2
Screenshot 3
(These are screenshots that are on my photobucket account, not linked from some other gaming website)
Half Life 2 is simply oozing with artistic merit.
Besides, if the Best Graphics award was based primarily on artistic merit, then World of WarCraft would trump everything.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 17, 2005, 11:58:59 AM
No, actually, the quote is "Some analysts believe that the lower sales count for Metroid Prime 2 is a direct result of a Nintendo that has largely skewed its games for a younger audience and alienated many older players. " Meaning that Nintendo traditionally releases games for younger demographics, so MP2 did not fit in well. MP1 also suffered from that "problem". It has nothing to do with difficulty. They are not comparing the games in that sentence. They are not saying "MP2 is for older games than MP1, which is why it sold worse"... they are saying "MP2 is for older gamers than the Cube's demographic, which is why it sold badly". Nowhere in the article does it mention difficulty. Your whole premise is flawed.
Besides, do you really think people actually buy games based on difficulty? Have you ever seen a game boast "easy enough for younger players" on the packaging? When people discuss games with each other, is the first thing they mention how hard the games are? Have you ever heard anybody say "man, have you heard about the new Metroid? Don't buy it, it's too hard". It doesn't click with me. I just can't see your logic, at all.
"Ahhh, truley the words of someone who's never played HL2 all the way though."
You got me there.
I'll give you the second screenshot, sure... but the first and third are not artistic, they're technical. The thing about MP2 is that it does so much with so little... HL2 does a lot of impressive technical work, but in my opinion, based on what I've seen so far, there is no artistic merit. Graphically, it just does what countless other games have done, except more realistically.
"Besides, if the Best Graphics award was based primarily on artistic merit, then World of WarCraft would trump everything."
Yeah, I don't understand that either. I'm thinking it's because some aspects of WoW are just painful to look at... MP2 suffers from no such thing.
Post by: Gamefreak on January 17, 2005, 08:57:08 PM
Post by: boggy b on January 18, 2005, 06:17:38 AM
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I'll give you the second screenshot, sure... but the first and third are not artistic, they're technical. The thing about MP2 is that it does so much with so little... HL2 does a lot of impressive technical work, but in my opinion, based on what I've seen so far, there is no artistic merit. Graphically, it just does what countless other games have done, except more realistically.
Like I said, clearly the words of someone who hasn't played HL2. HL2 is dripping with artistic merit. City 17 is a perfect distillation of Eastern Europe, mixed with the remarkable alien structures of the Combine. Look at the Citadel, the huge blue structure extending into the clouds. How is there 'no artistic merit' in that shot? The winding coast roads of Highway 17 are desolate and harsh, owing to the paler palette and sparse vegitation. Half Life 2 is not intended to look realistic, and it doesn't. It is, however, nearly perfect in artistic regards.
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Yeah, I don't understand that either. I'm thinking it's because some aspects of WoW are just painful to look at... MP2 suffers from no such thing.
But talking artisctly, World of WarCraft is the best game this year, bar none. If 'artistic merit' should be the main criteria of graphics, then Katamari Damacy would have a pretty good chance of beating Metroid Prime 2! Instead, it is far far more logical to include both criteria, technicality and artistic, and pick a game that best represents them. This year, that game was by far and away Haf Life 2.
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Who said Metroid Prime 2 had better graphics than HL2? How did this argument even get started? Learn how to read. You guys seem to think I'm am angry at IGN for not making MP2 win, when I'm clearly showing my surprise that it did as well as it did, get runner up in the two most competitive categories.
Well I misunderstood you then, I thought you were miffed that MP2 came second to HL2 and third out of Best Game.
Post by: mantidor on January 18, 2005, 06:40:48 AM
"Half Life 2 is not intended to look realistic, and it doesn't."
Sorry but I think not even you actually believe this. Its pretty obvious valve wanted it to be as realistic as posible... this statement is just mind boogling O_o
Post by: boggy b on January 18, 2005, 08:43:46 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 18, 2005, 02:27:23 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 18, 2005, 07:20:27 PM
Ooh, a big building. That hasn't been done before. I applaud the artistry, it leaves me awestruck.
Come on man, you're reaching. Listen to yourself.
Not a single HL2 screenshot I've seen, not a single HL2 situation I've played through, have I loved even nearly as much as MP2's fortress. And as for enemy design, it's not even debatable. Don't try and debate it.
Maybe I'm wrong. In that case, prove me wrong. Impress me. I'm not impossible to impress. WoW impresses me artistically... the guys at Blizzard are insanely talented. Half-Life 2 does not.
Don't just tell me, show me.
Edit: just remembered there's an art book for HL2... I'm interested in that now. Is it actually any good?
Post by: Gamefreak on January 19, 2005, 12:23:42 AM
But, as for graphics from a technical point of view, while Metroid Prime 2 and World of Warcraft each have their own strengths (lets see Half-Life 2 without loading times) the advanced engine of Half-Life 2 simply outdoes them. Although...the lighting is inferior to DOOM 3 and Resident Evil 4.
Post by: boggy b on January 19, 2005, 06:51:09 AM
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"Look at the Citadel, the huge blue structure extending into the clouds. How is there 'no artistic merit' in that shot?"
Ooh, a big building. That hasn't been done before. I applaud the artistry, it leaves me awestruck.
Come on man, you're reaching. Listen to yourself.
Not a single HL2 screenshot I've seen, not a single HL2 situation I've played through, have I loved even nearly as much as MP2's fortress. And as for enemy design, it's not even debatable. Don't try and debate it.
Maybe I'm wrong. In that case, prove me wrong. Impress me. I'm not impossible to impress. WoW impresses me artistically... the guys at Blizzard are insanely talented. Half-Life 2 does not.
Don't just tell me, show me.
Edit: just remembered there's an art book for HL2... I'm interested in that now. Is it actually any good?
Seriously, you're a hopeless case. I show you artistic merit and you deny that it's there. I could go through and show you ever example of the excellent art direction in the game but I get the feeling that your reply would be a resolute, fingers-in-ears, 'LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING! METROID PRIME 2 HAS BETTER LA LA LA!'.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 19, 2005, 07:55:02 AM
As for the big building, that shows the true artistic colors of the designers. It's dull and simple; I could have designed something better and with ease. It's about as nondescript as the Halo environments.
Metroid Prime has amazing artistic direction. I haven't seen World of Warcraft. Half-Life 2, from what you show us, is stretching for average.
I'm not saying it's not impressive, because it is, and the street scenes are well designed. But I can't really consider that artistic.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 19, 2005, 09:29:38 AM
Which is why other people are agreeing with me. You're all talk. I know art when I see it... that is not art. Don't insult my senses by calling the first and third screenshots art. They just look like boring mundane photographs.
And thanks for belittling me. Apparently your judgement of character is as good as your judgement of art.
Post by: boggy b on January 19, 2005, 10:15:14 PM
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As for the big building, that shows the true artistic colors of the designers. It's dull and simple; I could have designed something better and with ease.
A laughable claim. The citadel is design specifically to look like that. It's not dull, it's an enormous metallic blue obelisk sticking out of the centre of an east european town. It is simply, but in the same way that, for example, the Bilbao Guggenheim is. Simplicity and elegancy are not a sign of poor design, merely restrained design. Not everything has to be fancy and overwrought, especially if it does not fit in with the context of the game.
To use an example, PaLaDiN said absolutely, that MP2 has better enemy design. See, the problem here is that the enemies need to be relative to the environment you put them it. Half Life 2's overwatch were designed beautifully given the space they were placed in (an enslaved city). They evoke a feel of suppression. Had Gordon Freeman been running through the streets of City 17 killing space pirates, they would have been out of place, which would have been poor art design. Vice versa, place Combine overwatch in MP2 and they look stylistically wrong relative to the environments.
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Which is why other people are agreeing with me. You're all talk. I know art when I see it... that is not art. Don't insult my senses by calling the first and third screenshots art. They just look like boring mundane photographs.
Notice how every other website on the net hails HL2's art design as the best of the year? Ever heard of the four letter word 'bias'?
Gamespot, Best Graphics, Artistic:
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/bestof2004/day2w_16.html
IGN.com, Best Graphics:
http://bestof.ign.com/2004/overall/13.html
I think the problem here is that you refuse to accept that the design used in Half Life 2, subtle and refined rather than in-your-face, constitutes art design. Also, art design goes beyond level design. It extends to stuff such as animation, texture work and the 'life', so to speak, breathed into the world via the artistic properties of the game.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 20, 2005, 06:29:33 AM
Funny, how those two sentences are coincidentally juxtaposed.
My point is, making a street is all fine and dandy, and it certainly requires artistic talent and I recognize that, but it's not near the amount of creativity held within Metroid Prime 2. I can appreciate subtle art and even minimalism, but that doesn't mean I have to be impressed by that citadel screenshot. Even in terms of minimalism that's uninnovative. I've seen nearly identical rooms in other games. Take Metroid Prime 2, for example. A room very similar to that is in the fortress; it manages to be both rather simple yet more provocative. Subtle differences.
I haven't seen the animation in the game, so I'm not sure I can say anything about that. I considered the game, but I have way too many games I'm interested in right now and I'm still unsure as to whether I'll get a job or not this semester. In short, I think the art in Half-Life 2 is fine, but the artwork of Metroid Prime impresses me much, much more.
Post by: boggy b on January 20, 2005, 07:04:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
In short, I think the art in Half-Life 2 is fine, but the artwork of Metroid Prime impresses me much, much more.
And thusly you have hit the nail of my argument on the head. You can think what you want about the art styles, but they are both there and neither of them is weak. Personally, I feel that HL2's is just as strong as MP2's but rather than being brash and in-your-face it's subtle and thought out.
What I take objection to is the claim that HL2 lacks artistic merit because every environment just 'copies' real life and that even the stuff that is designed is 'plain and boring'.
Post by: vudu on January 20, 2005, 08:05:03 AM
EDIT: In an effort to try to get some conversations going about Metroid Prime, does anyone besides me really hate that Super Missiles use five regular missiles instead of its own ammo supply? I found myself never using regular missiles once I acquired the Super Missile.
Also, did anyone use the Seeker Missile other than for enemies/bosses/puzzles where it was required? I found it way too awkward to use in the heat of battle unless it was required. Hopefully MP3 (on Revolution) will fix this problem by making the Seeker Missile easier to use.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 20, 2005, 01:06:19 PM
My premise, my supposition, is that I think that because the game is designated for older gamers - teenage and up-crowd in the words of the IGN article (which to me spells older gamers than the kids Nintendo is seeking to wow mostly) - this would alienate the kids! That´s what I presupposed in my reply to the post. IGN says that Nintendo marketed that game for the teenage and up-crowd, and that means from the age 13 and up! But there are kids as young as 8 who likes to play Metroid on the GBA, and surely also likes to play it on the GCN! Let´s take the entire quote, so we get the parts which you left out:
"Some analysts believe that the lower sales count for Metroid Prime 2 is a direct result of a Nintendo that has largely skewed its games for a younger audience and alienated many older players. The T-rated Echoes, a dark and eerily atmospheric shooter with complex puzzles, was marketed to the teenage and up crowd, but anticipation for the product never seemed to gain an overwhelming amount of steam with the demographic."
I emphasize this part of above: Some analysts believe that the lower sales count for Metroid Prime 2 is a direct result of a Nintendo that has largely skewed its games for a younger audience and alienated many older players.
I put above quote in Italics, because I feel it´s curious to write such a thing, since to me it´s just the opposite which is the case! So I think that those analyst are wrong. They are also only some analysts, out of many analysts in the world gaming press. So they are not nesscesarily right! Which is my opinion of them.
You then wrote: "They are not saying "MP2 is for older games than MP1, which is why it sold worse"... No, Paladin THEY are not saying that - I am saying that! I am saying that, because that is how it appears! It´s difficulty is such that not only kids will have trouble with it (in addition to being scared of it), many others will too! So my premise is NOT flawed. You make it look like it is, by interpreting it in your own way!
I quote my reply again:
"IGN thinks that the lower sales numbers for the sequel, is due to it being designated for an older demographic! Do you know what I think? I think that, yes, it has to do with the game being designated for an older demographic, but also that would mean it would be more difficult to play, which is exactly what it is! Older players demand more difficulty, they think, so they up the difficulty and alienate the younger players who can´t follow anylonger. Or to whose parents it is too scary looking, so that it is not bought. Of course, there are many reasons. But I just mentioned some of them.
Notice that I wrote: "Do you know what I think?", NOT "Do you know what they think?"
There is a big difference there! And I really feel that I know what I am writing. So I conclude that you are wrong, if you call my premise "flawed".
This is for Kingvudu: I agree that the people who start talking about Halo 2 too much are way out of line. This is Metroid Prime 2 thread, not a Halo 2 one!
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 20, 2005, 02:00:58 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 20, 2005, 02:18:48 PM
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Originally posted by: kingvudu
Also, did anyone use the Seeker Missile other than for enemies/bosses/puzzles where it was required? I found it way too awkward to use in the heat of battle unless it was required. Hopefully MP3 (on Revolution) will fix this problem by making the Seeker Missile easier to use.
I find them to be very usefull in certain situation: the ing emperor in his last stage, you remember how he uses to avoid any type of damage? so instead of throwing and throwing missiles until I could hit him I stacked them up and release them the exact moment he opened his mouth, voila! he showed weakness to ligh or dark beam instantly and of course while I stacked the missiles I imagined Samus saying some sort of name for the attack, thing thats very common in japanese games and animations, kinda like "super missile combo attack!"... ok Im not very creative when naming japanese combat moves, but you get my point.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 20, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
You said "Paladin, I will assure you that many do like the orginal Prime over this sequel! The IGN news article "Prime outpeforms Echoes" say it all."... so I thought you were agreeing with the analysts and adding your own interpretation.
Sorry to have made you waste that whole post.
But then my original attack still stands... you're assuming the majority doesn't like the difficulty and you have shown nothing to back this up. I thought you were addressing this with IGN's article.
boggy b: If you actually have any screenshots you think are impressive from Half-Life 2, PM them to me. You say all this stuff about the art in HL2, but the fact of the matter is that you have shown nothing to back up your words, nothing you have shown or said so far has impressed me, and I'm not the only one. Our "argument" is over.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on January 21, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
I realise that art and design are certain aspects of videogaming that are legitimately
discussed, but seriously, it can go too far for amateur non computer pro gamer which most of us are
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 21, 2005, 11:04:40 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 23, 2005, 10:45:02 AM
The fun thing is that Nintendo appears to agree with me on the issue of difficulty in games. Save for Metroid-series, they have a duty to make games available to the massmarket which appeal to everybody, and not just die-hard difficulty fanatics!
Many quotes from NCL President, Satoru Iwata, herald a paradigm shift in gaming for one single reason: he thinks, Nintendo thinks, that most gamers out there find that games have become too complicated, too difficult! Nintendo don´t think things like that, without having a substantial reason for it!! And I continue to hold, that it is only the hardcoregamers who will like that increased difficulty! What is a hardcoregamer? To me it is a gamer, who goesall-outin his orher desire to play and play. They have all the time in the world to do just that...play! But not so with most others. Work, school, other day-to-day activities take up a lot of time and means that majority would not be able toinvest the required time or energy in games too hard! They will just shift their attention over to something which will entertain them better.
I could play Mario 64 in days bygone on Nintendo 64, and find it was actually possible for me to complete that game and feel GREAT about it! Why ruin my experience? Why raise the standard of difficulty, when people are content with what they´ve got already? Why did they make Mario Sunshine so difficult? I said from day one that it was too difficult, and I was proven right. everywhere I now read and look people have already dubbed it too difficult.
Is it a small amount of gamers, or is it a majority who should decide what the companies make?
Have you ever thought about what Iwata said? That most have tired of said difficulty? Or even about how the market started to stagnate a long time ago, because games sales could not be increased for some reason? Do you not think that that reason could be related to the frustration many more than you would feel over increasingly complicated games, increasingly difficult games? I understand you! You LIKE the challenge in difficulty, apparantly so at least, and you share this view with others. But companies making games, cannot make money like that if more people want a change to take place so that games give them more fun requiring less skill and time.
They can make more money on many! If they are to ever expand their marketshares in todays gamingmarket, it will come through Iwata´s promised paradigm shift! No more samey games, that developers like to make more difficult in the hope that they will sell more! Because they wont! Because that is not how you circumvent the first problem: a tired old formula, that need urgent renewal if the market is not to fall apart! It´s BACK TO BASICS of gaming!!
That is my belief, and it will continue to be just that. So in that respect, I am with Nintendo all the way!! They understand truly where the fun in games starts, and boredom or frustration ends!! THAT, my friend, is how our favourite gamescompany will once again become the marketleader!
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on January 23, 2005, 11:47:01 AM
for me simple but engaging fun is a game like Zelda or Mario, easy and fun to play, amazing learning curve, but amazing wouldnt even be enought to describe how great these games are
Post by: Gamebasher on January 24, 2005, 06:41:09 AM
They´re now up against a variety of competitors, so they´d better know how to deliver!
Post by: Plugabugz on January 24, 2005, 07:01:16 AM
If it's too difficult, you're failing.
Some may not like it, but a game should present me a challenge (Super Monkey Ball 2 on Advanced or Expert Mode is a good example) but not be so easy I wasted £35 (Crash Bandicoot).
The level of difficulty in Echoes was centred exactly in the middle of the two (which would explain the Teen Rating - A little persistence paid off. In places the difficulty was extremely mean but I would rather adapt to the game rather than the game adapt to lower skill-abilities.
Low sales for Echoes is entirely down to Nintendo and their poor marketing. All my friends play Halo 2 multiplayer at the weekend when they can but do not for Echoes. IT's not down to Retro (though a similar but not exact "standard" control scheme would be beneficial) but to Nintendo for failing with their marketing so much.
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2005, 11:45:49 AM
QuoteI actually agree with this comment quite a bit. While the level design was excellent, it felt a bit lazy and I couldn't put it into words until just now. The old Metroid games didn't have any keys (or very few at least). And while it's not a huge deal, they seem out of place in the Metroid world.
I'm rating it somewhere around a lower 90's score. There are a few things that I just really disliked with the game. Mainly the unnecessary amount of Keys. (4 translation keys, 9 "temple" keys and 9 more keys to the final area? it was just a stupid pain when the only thing in your way was a door you couldn't get past).
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 24, 2005, 01:13:07 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on January 25, 2005, 09:24:20 AM
but I cant motivate myself, I havent played it for over a month now
Post by: Gamebasher on January 27, 2005, 06:46:59 AM
And Plugabugz: I am not failing! I am dumping the game, because I don´t want to play anymore! BECAUSE: I was nolonger feeling being entertained! Gaming is not about a club where only the toughest are IN! Gaming is about entertainment, and I did not feel I was experiencing that anylonger with Metroid Prime 2!
Tsk, some people just can´t get it tough enough.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 27, 2005, 08:38:41 AM
I personally like a challenge and the game did exactly that. The difficult obviously surprised me at first but when I got used to it I realised I couldn't walk through everything with ease.
If you didn't enjoy the game then i'm sorry. Everyone to their own I suppose.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on January 27, 2005, 11:48:08 PM
but it does however still surprise me that a game as awesome as MP2 (yes I do recognize it as an awesome game)still
manages that im not motivated enough to try to beat it
but maybe I really need to give it another try, especially since im not far in the game
I wouldnt even say this game is too hard, but its certainly not as fascinating as MP1
Post by: Gamebasher on January 28, 2005, 08:50:31 AM
I always loved the way in which Nintendo create gaming universes that are full of fun, beauty and great atmosphere. If it all gets too dark, I´m already looking elsewhere for entertainment. So if indeed Retro are so in love with Nintendo as they expressed in a recent IGN interview, they should look more at the way their idols do games!! I just can´t recognize any Nintendo things in Metroid Prime 2.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 28, 2005, 09:01:22 AM
That's why MP2 did worse than MP1 in reviews... because it was more of the first one and wasn't as new. The reviews said as much. There goes that theory.
Stop trying to generalize your negative opinion of MP2 as an universal complaint. I could say I like MP2 more than MP1 in every single way (I do) and act like everybody was on my side too... I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any major reviews that gave MP2 the extremely low review you're apparently hoping for.
Give it a rest.
Post by: vudu on January 28, 2005, 09:25:29 AM
Also, if they stick with the ammo system for the upgradable beam weapons, there needs to be an upgrade or two for your regular beam. I didn't like how it took just as many shots to destroy a Sandigger 10 hours into the game as it did to kill it 10 minutes into the game.
BTW, this post is reply # 666.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2005, 11:49:53 AM
I'm taking a slightly different approach with Prime2 than I did with Prime1. This time (first time thru), I tried playing without the assistance of the Hint System. I managed to go thru maybe 2/3 (my assumption) of the game before I truly got stuck for the first time. Up until getting the Sticky Ball, I was able to recall all the magnetic rails available to me, except for the one I needed the most: the one that leads to the Power Bomb Guardian. After a couple fruitless hours of searching (i did however visit all the OTHER rails and picked up a bunch of upgrades) for the Holy Magnetic Rail of Progress, I gave-in and activated the hint system which told me to run my ass back to the Hydrodynamo Chamber. I'm like... D'OH!! Then I turned the hints off. It never dawned on me I hadn't visited the portal there when I looked at that part of the map. A minor defeat. At least all the Yellow Doors no longer had a reason to laugh at me. I hope that's the last time I'll use the hints.
Anyway, whenever I aquired an appropriate upgrade, I ditched the main quest and went hunting for upgrades using my new tool(s) wherever I thought they would apply. Whether I'm getting upgrades or advancing in the quest via backtracking, my progress is highly dependent on the map system and my knowledge of the stages. So, it feels like the world is actually opening up on "my terms" and merit rather than it leading me on via the hints, and thus, I'm enjoying my Prime2 experience more than my Prime1 experience. (beyond the obvious increase in enemy difficulty, increased stage complexity, and the audio/visual bells&whistles; all lovely)
Admittedly, I'd say the level/theme design in Prime1 was more "elegantly" random than Prime2, since Prime2 makes the 3-region structure very apparent early on, similar to Majora's Mask's 4-region "compass." How Prime1's world would unfold I think was less apparent. Prime1 also has a slight benefit of familiarity by having Fire/Ice/WhateverElemental-themed stages, which people seem to not want to let go of, maybe cuz it's a "Zelda thing." As for Prime2, for me the stages gradually seemed "cooler" and more interesting as I progressed, probably cuz the music became catchier the further I went along. Agon does have a dry feel to it, which I don't really enjoy just like the early Chozo Ruins and the rusty feel of Tallon's Phazon Mine facility. Gladly, things "improved" afterwards, which might've been intentional. This is different from my feelings towards Prime1, where the majority of the stage music was energetic until it contrasted with the rusty loneliness of the Phazon Mines and the rice-crispy crackles of the Crash Site. I can draw many parallels in level/theme design between Prime1&2, but I do enjoy Retro's effort to make Aether distinct from Tallon IV.
Post by: Gamefreak on January 28, 2005, 04:32:50 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 29, 2005, 06:40:53 AM
But you´re right, let´s give it a rest! I´ve had enouigh of discussing this, and I understand your position vs. my own. So I am now merely waiting for the next Metroid game, and then we´ll see how that one will be. I am sure I will like it, since Retro appears to try a new theme each time and therefore may come up with something completely different in the next game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 29, 2005, 10:32:38 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on January 29, 2005, 11:12:14 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 29, 2005, 11:23:12 AM
For some reason it felt exactly like the one in the old Metroids... the rhythm felt the exact same to me and I picked it up in a matter of minutes.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 29, 2005, 11:34:58 AM
However the turn is extremely limited.
I haven't played any console Metroid before Metroid Prime and none of the handheld Metroid's; I wasn't very used to it. Hence why it took me several days.
The room design for the Vault, where you have to use the Screw Attack to leave the room wasn't very helpful. I then broke the game in my attempt. Screw attack into the outer wall on the right side where the platform to leave the room is. If you continue doing it, the game will eventually put you on the platform instead.
I had the hint system on, it would have been helpful to have had a DDR "follow the timing" thing for the first attempt to get used to how to use it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 01, 2005, 10:12:23 PM
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It'd be nice if Samus got a fuzzy kawaii Metroid familiar that talks back to you in the next game.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 01, 2005, 10:24:34 PM
Welcome to the club. I think it's just the two of us.
Post by: King of Twitch on June 13, 2019, 01:21:18 AM
"Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is now my fav GCN game to date."
Welcome to the club. I think it's just the two of us.
Three.
What a magnificent, beautiful, frustrating, invigorating, creepy, challenging, and epic game. I played through this again on twitch.tv/zapr2k and finished it last night while using a guide, as I have lost the will to wander aimlessly for hours. Though I always knew where I was going and got almost every expansion, it still took me 14.5 hours.
Nearly 15 years later, there is much to love and much that still gets under my skin. For all the frustrating moments, you couldn't complain in 2004 that you weren't getting your money's worth. It's gobsmacking what the geniuses at Retro Studios achieved in only 2 years: bigger world, more intricate environments, completely new enemies, music, and locations, we finally get the screw attack in 3D, a new beam ammo system, some new visors, a little more NPC interaction, and a dash of Link to the Past. I only saw a few similar enemies and a couple structures that looked like they were recycled from Prime 1, but they dressed them up well enough that only a true fan would notice.
The debates in this thread about the graphics are well-founded, for the artistic creativity here is quite memorable. You have to love the creepy, weird, and twisted places Samus finds herself in, far away from the comforting fire/ice/forest tropes of the past. Sanctuary Fortress is a fantastic land of futurist vision and retro-ish square bit artistry and glowy things and energy conduits and strange things on the walls. What are those? Why did the Luminoth build this stuff? Got some steampunk vibes in a few spots, if you’re into that sort of thing. However, the dark world is full of nightmarish enemies and the constantly draining health will get your heart pounding so that when you finally return to the light world you’ll be audibly breathing a sigh of relief. *Hope I don’t have to go back in there anytime soon* Can anyone say that other games from this period still produce the same range of emotions, with upwards of 100 uniquely designed rooms, and without framerate dips?
Our heroine’s story isn’t so lonely as in past games. Caught up in a big battle between the Galactic Federation, the Space Pirates, Luminoth, and Ing horde, I felt so empowered by it all, knowing that I (Samus) succeeded when everyone else failed, so it seemed more epic than Prime 1’s. It’s a little Zeldaish too. Just bring back the light to the temples and help the poor townspeople get back to their lives; no one really knows about it in the end except the Luminoth, you’re just that heroic.
All these great ideas and additions, ironically, are probably why the game is so frustrating, a problem mostly in the boss battles and yet another collectathon ending. I think Retro may have bitten off more than they could chew and ran out of time to tweak some things. A lot of the difficulty in Echoes is simply overpowered enemies that could've been turned down just a bit. The Ing Hunter (long spindly arms) and Rezbit (yellow 8-bit floating thingy that can shut down your suit) are the worst of all worlds: require wayyy too many hits to kill, inflict too much damage, can turn invulnerable for long periods, and/or are nearly impossible to avoid or dodge—yet they’re always in the same room, respawning after you return to do it all over again. Another annoying flaw is that for some enemies, the Annihilator beam, the final weapon, does not seem to do any more damage than the simple power beam, and it’s the Screw Attack that can defeat most enemies in one hit. In fact, too many enemies turn too many otherwise simple rooms into a miniboss battle. Then you add in the dark world auto-damage while you’re waiting for a door to open, as well as rooms, like in Prime 1, that are locked until everyone is defeated, and soon you’ve got a bit of Phazon-induced madness setting in.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/438256362
Took me awhile on a simple spiderball puzzle because this enemy kept knocking me off. Impossible... until you realize you can kill it with a powerbomb. Oops.
Also, did anyone use the Seeker Missile other than for enemies/bosses/puzzles where it was required? I found it way too awkward to use in the heat of battle unless it was required. Hopefully MP3 (on Revolution) will fix this problem by making the Seeker Missile easier to use.
That was certainly annoying. The best way to use the Seeker Missile is to tap and hold the missile button immediately after shooting a charged beam, otherwise you waste a missile trying to activate it--one of the many times the Cube could’ve used a second Z button (and I think we all know who to blame for that *laughs*).
One of the icons for the visors in the trailer looked new. It looked like sound waves. Perhaps it will be used to detect movement in this dark world. Makes sense seeing as the game is called echoes.
That’s another big letdown; they only used it for a few lame puzzles. Ironically, this game is huge in scope, but some of the powerups at the end seem just tacked on, as if they were obliged to put them there because it's a Metroid game.
QuoteI actually agree with this comment quite a bit. While the level design was excellent, it felt a bit lazy and I couldn't put it into words until just now. The old Metroid games didn't have any keys (or very few at least). And while it's not a huge deal, they seem out of place in the Metroid world.
I'm rating it somewhere around a lower 90's score. There are a few things that I just really disliked with the game. Mainly the unnecessary amount of Keys. (4 translation keys, 9 "temple" keys and 9 more keys to the final area? it was just a stupid pain when the only thing in your way was a door you couldn't get past).
This is also a bummer. They were tacked on like the artifacts, which wasn’t fun in the first one at all. That last bit wasn’t challenging, since the Light Suit let you run around the dark world without taking damage and there were fewer enemies and they weren't hidden within any challenging puzzle at all. Nine… nine keys!
Worst of all were the boss battles. Lots of debate in this thread about them being hard. I know--of course, they’re supposed to be hard. I recently re-played through SM on SNES Classic and I got my rear handed to me in an Easter basket on almost every boss fight. I get it. But too often the boss fights in this series, this one especially, require perfection, they’re not intuitive, the scan visor hint doesn’t help, their attacks are impossible to avoid, Samus’ side dash is worthlessly slow, and the ones in the dark world aren’t any easier when your health is constantly draining! I’m sure I shouted WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? a few different times as the screen was fading to black. Yes, I died more than a few times, even while reading a guide and with most of the ETanks, and all of them were at boss battles.
Here is a link to a new IGN article, the content of which I feel could be fuel for my anti-Metroid Prime 2 "campaign":
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cube.ign.com/articles/579/579600p1.html?fromint=1">IGN speculates on Metroid Prime sales numbers and their implications[/url]
Could it really be that a lot of other people, too, found the sequel to Metroid Prime annoyingly difficult, and so decided to buy other games on offer, instead?
Of course, I think so! I even heard that people chose Halo 2 over Metroid Prime 2, because it was more "accessible", or something like that.
I could see the mass market getting turned off by this game. Why play a game where you’re wandering aimlessly when you could be playing Halo 2 matches with your bros? Echoes was old and outdated in its time, but I loved it anyhow.
Here are a few old posts I dug up to show how mixed the reaction was at the time. Even a fan of Prime 1 isn't necessarily going to love it, but I would definitely recommend giving it a shot if you can track down the trilogy port for Wii and seeing how long your patience lasts. You'll feel a strange catharsis if you get all the way to the end and a strange satisfaction in joining an elite club of people who have beaten one of the hardest Nintendo games in decades.
...I on the contrary found this game too difficult. Either way, there´s no balance! I definitely not saying that games should be too easy, but they should neither be too hard!
So what I want developers to do, is to have playtesters of al kinds of both hradcore and softcore kind play through games they are making, in order for them to decide when they have hit the exact right balance between not to easy and not too difficult! They did that with Metroid Prime 1, why didn´t they do it with the sequel? There are people, who are dreading that dark world on the other side, and just wanting to escape from it the moment they get in there. Do you think, then, that it´s appropriate to also increase the difficulty of the bosses in such an environment? I don´t! I don´t even think the games is anywhere near as beautifull as the first one. The awesome ice worlds, and the just as awesome fire worlds have been totally omitted, and instead this scary dark one is there. I really feel that beautifull surroundings play an all-important role in any game! In particular, if the game is very very hard. That has a direct bearing on how you feel about it. And in my opinion, the choice of environments in this sequel, has made it a nightmare to play! So I canned it!!
Interesting take. Matt Cassmassiamasssina's review compared it to Resident Evil, which is fair, but the series has always been creepy! The creepy caves, enemies that suck your face. A bad mother who's just a giant brain. Best expect the worst.
The freedom to explore is fine, that´s what made me play the game in the first place. But I don´t like having to face a Boss that´s so difficult that you die again and again, and get no help nomatter how many walkthroughs you consult.
>:(
I am not a hardcoregamer as such, but could be taken for one if they didn´t look carefully. But I do know the hardcoregamers, and I do know the casual gamers.
Wait, how do you know if someone's a hardcore gamer just by looking at them? Do you have a...special visor for that? :o
My point is simply that Retro should avoid making the next Metroid game as difficult as this sequel is.
Retro seemed to learn the right lessons for 3. I remember it being easier, even less isolated, and more linear. I liked it.
The first one was perfectly balanced in difficulty and learning curve. But I still recall having big issues with the buttons, when I had to perform various maneuvers in boss battles. I sometimes felt like my fingers were being twisted slowly, for simply having to cross my fingers to do the required actions. Still, I could juuust make it, and finish the game! But I NEVER expected that the much anticipated sequel would be harder.
Now THAT's a hard mode. Do you think he ever learned to hold the controller correctly?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 13, 2019, 09:24:11 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on June 13, 2019, 02:29:27 PM
I told everyone when I humblebragged about my DKC speedruns. Is that all you got from my wall of text? lol
