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Title: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Mannypon on September 05, 2003, 11:59:48 PM
Nintendojo is sayin that there are rumors goin around again  that there could be a remake/port of FFVII and/or possible release of FFXII along with its ps2 debut.  I know this has been talked bout before but seems like somethin could be up again.  What do you think of the possibilities of these actually bein true.  IMO I think maybe FF7 is highly possible and if we even get FF12, I dont see it coming out along side the ps2.  Sony will want to at leave have it exclusive for some time.
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Mario on September 06, 2003, 12:14:02 AM
Yeah i heard this rumour ages ago. My suspicions are that this is either

1) Final Fantasy 7 announced for the GBA (or PSP - GBA cant handle all the FMV)

2) Final Fantasy 7 BONUS DISK free with something

3) A distraction to get me to post while the people who made up this rumour steal pie from my fridge
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Gup on September 06, 2003, 04:15:24 AM
If it's just a port(for PSP probably), I could just jack in my original PSOne version.  A remake(for PS2 probably) would make me my wallet $80 lighter.
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: rpglover on September 06, 2003, 05:13:19 AM
"A remake(for PS2 probably) would make me my wallet $80 lighter."

maybe- but i would think going to the gamecube might be the better choice- the ps2 is probably already getting FFXII so why would they want to remake FFVII on the ps2- maybe if it was a bonus for buying XII i could see that, but maybe going to the gamecube wouldn't be so bad- the sales of FFCC are pretty good, not as great as the numbered final fantasy's but still decent considering the gba linkup deal- so maybe they wouldn't be ready yet to send another new game to nintendo's console, but a remake would be just fine- its an already released game, some people may want to play it- give it to a new console- but of course it wouldn't sell as well as on the ps2 due to the user base- but that is how i would feel
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Gup on September 06, 2003, 05:51:25 AM
You just said it all.  In the world of Square(and Enix), this is the only thing that matters, $$$.  If on GC, it'd be luck to hit a million sales by the end of the GC's life in Japan.  On PS2, a million or two would hit by the first week.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Pale on September 06, 2003, 06:40:46 AM
I personally think a remake of final fantasy 7 would sell like crazy on the gamecube here in the states.  Just look at what sonic adventure 2 did.  If they stick it in some slow release time all us nintendo fanboys will swallow it up.  =P
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2003, 09:05:12 AM
It's pointless to release a FF7 remake on the PS2 when the system and probably most of its owners already have the original. They could sell more copies if they introduce it to a "virgin" system.
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Perfect Cell on September 06, 2003, 09:25:18 AM
Id love to see it, but other than CC, has Square Enix even remotely  been interested in GCN development?
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 06, 2003, 09:51:52 AM
I was the first person in this forum to mention the FF7 remake, yet I was flamed for doing so.

Hmmm, seems like I was correct....Who do I know that could give me the rumors I keep dropping hints about...Hmmmm...

I only speak the truth...

Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Cap on September 06, 2003, 10:05:12 AM
personaly i'd rather see a new game then another remake.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Pale on September 06, 2003, 11:11:38 AM
It would be awesome if they took a page out of nintendo's book, released FF XII with a FF VII bonus disc for preorders....(like someone said above)  FF VII wouldn't even have to be remade then, just ported, and we would still all be happy.....then they could continue it with each new final fantasy, so eventually Nintendo people could have them all  =P  ok...i don't know why i care cause I already own them all...but still...
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Mannypon on September 06, 2003, 02:35:21 PM
It would be good if they included it with a preorder but its ff12 and we're talkin bout square enix.  I dont see them goin that far to help sell a game that will already sell millions by name alone.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Pale on September 06, 2003, 05:59:44 PM
Ya got a point...maybe like a special addition packaged version thats like 20 bucks more?  That could do it i think...
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 06, 2003, 06:14:29 PM
I'm all for a FF 7 remake, especially if it includes any of the rumored "extras."  I have been a FF fan since the first game.  I'm sorry to say this, but FF7 was the last FF game that I actually liked...
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: mouse_clicker on September 06, 2003, 06:17:49 PM
You'll find quite a few people who agree with that, Agent, plus a few who would put the stopping point a bit earlier.
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Djunknown on September 06, 2003, 08:35:53 PM
I remember a Looooong time ago there was a rumor of a FFVII re-release on PS2, but for obvious reasons that were mentioned, didn't come to fruition.

If you read they recent PGC mailbag (Read it now if you haven't) The one who's heading FFXII is not too fond of the big N. Its fun to speculate, since Square(Enix) have done a couple things that they normally wouldn't do.

A)Getting back with Nintendo
B)Doing a DIRECT sequel to a Final Fantasy game (FFX-2 anyone?)
C)Making games for more than one platform

I'm a bit skeptical though, since there's a good chance that if you REALLY wanted to play FFVII, you either have a PS1, had a PS1 or that awful PC port (Eidos dropped the ball on porting it. The 3d accelerated graphics were nice, but it would always hang up on my system, which EXCEEDED the system requirments by a large margin.) But I could probably say the same about Metal Gear Solid, and now we have a re-make that I'm sure many Nintendo gamers will eat up. The Sonic Adventure 2 release went off with a bang as mentioned earlier. If its a tastefully done Re-make (Right now Capcom seems to be king of Remakes with RE1.) I won't have a problem playing it again. Then again, original content is usually preferable.

Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: mattcube on September 06, 2003, 08:41:33 PM
Could you imagine a FFVII remake done by Silicon Knights?! That would be pretty nice IMO. I don't think we're gonna get anymore FF games on the GC. Maybe on N5. Besides, isn't FFXII due for release in like 2005 anyway? I could be wrong, but If it does come out around then, it would make a pretty sweet N5 launch game.

Oh, I liked FF7, hated 8, and thought FF9 was the best. And of course, all the ones before 7 rocked my world, and no, Chocobo Racing for PSOne doesn't count.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2003, 09:17:29 PM
I doubt SK can properly handle FF. FF is a japanese styled game, westeners always have problems reproducing that. Also noone in Japan would buy it if some american company made it.

Unrelated thought: How about releasing an epic RPG (with half a story like Golden Sun) on one console and putting the sequel on another one? That seems like a surefire evil way to make GBA owners buy a GC or convert some PS2 people...
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: ThePerm on September 07, 2003, 12:26:40 AM
yeah sk does have a very western look...the feel is great though...then again they wouldnr be in charge of the art work....
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Pikkcuber on September 07, 2003, 05:26:56 PM
I would be extermely happy if they ported FF 2 or 3 to the GBA or gamecube, they were one of the best snes games ever.  
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Sirmorphix on September 07, 2003, 07:06:37 PM
I don't want to get too excited about this.  We see these sorts of rumours all the time, I'm going to wait for a major site to give this rumour a bit more credibility.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 07, 2003, 09:41:50 PM
Here's a rumor for you.  Square is quietly attempting to buy back shares of their own corporate stock.
Now someone clarify this for me, isn't Square partially owned by $ony and E.A.?  Are they even a publicly traded stock?

If this is true, it could be big.  Nintendo recently bought back 180 Million dollars of it's own stocks in order to prevent a hostile takeover from another, larger company.

Off topic for a moment---

By the way, I'm such a FF fan, that I created a little thing called the "Dreamcast Final Fantasy Collection."  It has over 55+ titles, rare english translations of the Japanese FF2+3(not the Snes versions, which were actually FF4+5 over in Japan), and much, much more.  I've "distributed" over 5000! copies worldwide, using various P2p networks, ftps, mIrc and other methods.  I actually made my long time friend Hiroshi, who is fluent in Japanese, play the translated versions just to see which ones were closest to the original Japanese version.  How's that for dedication? lol!  (thanks H!  I know you read this board.)

Anyway, if your'e a die hard FF fan and you own a Dreamcast, you might want to check it out.
It's out there, if you know where to look (The CD cover can be seen at www.cdcovers.cc)

Back on topic---

As for the remake, I can say this, it WON'T be on Ps2, that I can guarante. It may not be on the GC either.  However NES-5 is right around the corner.  Did somebody say "multi-player options?"
By the way, if you want to know where I heard this, it actually came from a penpal of mine.
Someone who has provided me with some great info in the past.  I guarante that the rulers of this site are hearing the same stuff, but since they are rumors, they won't talk about it until it becomes fact.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: KDR_11k on September 08, 2003, 06:15:18 AM
That DFFC sounds like large scale copyright infringement.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Ian Sane on September 08, 2003, 07:14:39 AM
"Could you imagine a FFVII remake done by Silicon Knights?! That would be pretty nice IMO."

Yeah, because I would love it for Silicon Knights to forever be used as nothing more than a glorified port maker.  Why not just have Square do it and let SK work on something original?  There's no point in wasting a talented developer on remakes.

I really doubt Square will ever release Final Fantasy VII or XII (especially XII) on the Gamecube.  In fact I'd be surprised if they ever released any more Gamecube titles period.  Considering that they've never even really hinted on releasing any more Cube titles, while new GBA titles (Dragon Warrior) have been announced, I'm pretty sure that Crystal Chronicles only exists because they had to make a Cube game in order to work on the GBA.  Plus Enix has a real dedication to only releasing titles on the market leader's console and ever since they've merged with Square the company has been a lot less interested in the Gamecube.  I'd be really surprised if we ever see anything from them for the rest of the Gamecube's lifespan.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 08, 2003, 08:23:55 AM
Square is definately going to release more titles for GC, GBA, and the NES-5.  From what I have heard, after posting their worst financial losses ever, they practically begged Yamauchi to allow them to reuturn to Nintendo.  If the stock buy-back rumor is true, Square may be trying to break away from one or both of it's corporate masters. ($ony and EA)

As for the Dreamcast Final Fantasy Collection.  Yes, it is techincally copyright infringement, but since Dremacast emulation is just for hobbyists, the nice people at Nintendo and Square look the other way  Besides, all I'm really doing it promoting their legacy.  I always hated those PSX "FF origins" discs, so I wanted to remind people of where the FF legacy REALLY began.  Without Nintendo, there would be no FF.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: KDR_11k on September 08, 2003, 09:23:21 AM
EA has a deal with N, so Square probably tried to get rid of Sony if that theory is true. Sure, exclusivity ruins their sales. They have like 4 or 5 FF titles +the (S)NES ports on the PS already. Also world+dog releases their RPGs on PS2, I guess the competition just gets too strong, especially with the decline in Square's quality. Maybe they see the untapped markets that are GC and XB.

BTW, why does everyone say Square made FFCC just to have access to the GBA? Don't you think they could make GBA games without developing for GC first? And don't you think FFCC would have been much lower quality if that was true?
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: The Omen on September 08, 2003, 09:39:39 AM
Quote

BTW, why does everyone say Square made FFCC just to have access to the GBA? Don't you think they could make GBA games without developing for GC first? And don't you think FFCC would have been much lower quality if that was true?


Because the big ticket market is the GBA, not the GC. They probably approached Nintendo about working on the GBA, and to Nintendos credit, they said 'not if you dont release an original game on GC.'  And why would Square half ass their GC game?  If you are going to make it, better make it high quality, so Nintendo fans will buy it.  Its all about $$$ to Square.

Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 08, 2003, 09:45:46 AM
Square-Enix is only going to show one new game at the TGS, so that almost completely rules out a game for a Nintendo system...

Hopefully this isn't the case
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: MeddmaWamm on September 08, 2003, 01:06:17 PM
Mr. Troll (AgentSeven),  I really don't think EA owns part of Square. Are you sure they do?
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 08, 2003, 04:08:18 PM
Meddma,whatever.  You can call me Sir. LoL!

Anyway, I'm not certain but I think EA was trying to acquire the rights to distribute SquareEnix games.  Distribution really has nothing to do with ownership.

Still, it's seems from what I have gathered, this stock rumor just might be fact.  Now if I could only find out where SquareEnixv is traded (Nasdaq, NYSE, etc..) and under what symbol, I could confirm this once and for all.  
Title: RE:Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 08, 2003, 04:30:37 PM
Square-Enix is listed under code 9684 on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 08, 2003, 06:11:35 PM
Thank you Bill!  Man, you are a serious detective. We should team up and start a site,lol.
Title: RE: Rumors back FF VII & XII
Post by: AgentSeven on September 09, 2003, 08:36:47 AM
http://quote.tse.or.jp/tse/quote.cgi?F=listing/EDetail1&MKTN=T&QCODE=9684

Here's a link to SquareEnix's listing on the Tokyo Stock Exchange website.  It does appear that "someone" is buying SquareEnix stock, but I cannot not confirm who is buying.  It could just be regular trading activity.  Still, maybe Square is buying back it's own stock.  

However, wouldn't it be funny if it was Nintendo?  Imagine $ony and Nintendo both owning stock in the same company.