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Title: Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 12:17:05 AM
In Colombia, Coca-Cola has some of its most major manufacturing plants.  If you guys don't know the situation, there is the colombian military, the para military, and guirilla groups all fighting eachother, and its a crazy mixed up place right now, and the US is making it worse.  Anyway, the workers at these plants have a Union.  However, they don't make enough money to live.  So, being in a union, they have tried to gather together to strike.  However, the officials of the plants have "allowed" (read=hired) assasins to kill some of these people in an effort to stop them from gathering and striking.  9 workers have already died, and 45 are on a death list.

Starting July 22, a little-known boycott has started for coca-cola products.  To participate, simply don't by Coke, Frutopia products, Sprite, and other such Coca-cola owned companies.  We have to stand against these corperations if we want 3rd world countries to step out of the dust.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Mario on August 13, 2003, 12:22:43 AM
You want me to stop buying Coke? Heh, no.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 12:46:44 AM
Maybe if it were so important you'd put it in the thread title huh hey am I rite?

Er seriously, this has been a hot hot hot issue at my University, especially since Coke just gave the university many many many millions of dollars in Columbian blood money to carry Coke products exclusively, deny me my Mountain Dew, and ALSO MAKE MY TUITION NOT GO DOWN, BUT ACTUALLY GO UP SOMEHOW. WHAT.

Also my University is the most insane Battle Royale ever, maybe I'll edit in an interesting link when I find it.
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:02:35 AM
If I put "Don't Buy Coke' or somesuch in the thread title, fewer people would read it.  I considered it, and decided against it.
And Mario, if you don't feel guilty, thats just scary.  I don't even want to touch upon that.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Mario on August 13, 2003, 01:08:53 AM
Why should i feel guilty buying Coke?
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 01:09:51 AM
HERE is how insane my University was last fall. That link and my entire interweb journal are for mature readers only. lol.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 01:12:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Why should i feel guilty buying Coke?


Because you're supporting a company that murders union leaders and pays for my university dean's personal helicopter and banning of Mountain Dew
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Post by: Mario on August 13, 2003, 01:39:49 AM
Oh

*buys more Coke anyway *
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Post by: Grey Ninja on August 13, 2003, 05:19:53 AM
Whatever.  Half the products you buy involve people dying to make it come to you.  This doesn't concern me in the slightest.

I am going to go to McDonald's and buy a large coke rigth now.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2003, 06:18:33 AM
Well, I want actual proof that this kind of thing is going on...If you don't, fine, it doesn't really matter to me.  I don't drink soda, only iced tea and water.
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Post by: BoB007 on August 13, 2003, 06:38:54 AM
I had to do a project on Columbia a couple years ago. Everytime i tried to find information i would find news about drugs, military bs and guerilla attacks on landmarks. Man that was a hard project >_<. Anyway i rather drink Pepsi then coke. Umm is Root Beer a coke product?

* gets on hands and knees and prays that its not *
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Post by: kennyb27 on August 13, 2003, 06:48:27 AM
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Umm is Root Beer a coke product?
Barq's Root Beer is.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: ThePerm on August 13, 2003, 07:30:27 AM
there may be some columbian coke distributers in columbia. Coke doesnt come from one place it comes from a place near you. Every city almost has a little room sized place where they put the soft drinks in cans(which are made in atlanta). Thats why if you go to different places Coke tastes different. And its a good thign you created this thread because i was gonna bring back the school shootings thread to talk of the wonderful thing that is cola.

Yesterday i had Vanilla Pepsi. Well it tasted like crap unlike Vanilla Coke. Pepsi used some cheap artificial flavor for its vanilla flavor and because im a conosour of Vanilla and Soda's I was like eeeww.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 08:29:24 AM
My girlfriend's Mother is the international head of Mennonite Conference Canada.  In the past year she has visited 10+ countries in the southern hemisphere.  One of these was Colombia.  She also works closly with CPT, or Christian Peacemaker Teams, which is a huge North American missionary organization.  Some facts about colombia:

There are 3 armies at eachothers throats
The US pays for the Military to have more people, weapons
The US sells them cheap wheat, which causes wheat farmers to start growing drugs
When the US finds these drug-growers, they are either killed or jailed.  Those who arent usually join one of the other 2 armies.
The US (not the government) buys the drugs colombia grows, insuring them more money if they continue to grow drugs


My only proof is 3rd hand experience, and a note I got explaining the boycott.  If you choose not to believe it, you are ignorant and stuck in a box that says "If it doesn't hurt me, I don't care."  I can't believe you would continue to drink blood ... erm, Coke, after hearing about this.  The fact that some of you would go right out and say it drives me to believe you are merely adolescant immature boys who are trying to get  a rile out of me, which is a waste of time.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: ThePerm on August 13, 2003, 09:39:36 AM
the coke we drink does not come from columbia that is the point i was making. Im sure Coke has some plants in Columbia. But they have plants EVERYWHERE. Their biggest being in Atlanta, Georgia. Also Bumping is against the rules. Im not bumping, but if your trying to alert people to such a "dire" situation then your going to have a problem. My point of view is Coke is the largest soft drink manufacturing company and their going to be everywhere. Their going to be in bad places their going to be in good places. Just because Coke is in Culumbia doesnt mean Cocacola sells drugs like coke to....

the point is hjust because the ocmpany is there doesnt mean their doing any wrong doing. Their an international company and they have the right to be in any country they like. Im sure pepsi is in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is huge on piracy maybe we should Boycott peps. See doesnt make since. So your logic is flaud.

Columbia is a shithole. It cant be helped

oh and it isnt Cocacola whos doign the paramilitary stuff its their third party bottling company
Panamco
http://www.kpft.org/news/041603story5.html
its just that cocacola is one of many caught in the war thats been going on for 40 years.

boycott coke products? hell no!

I doubt theres some guy in Atlanta at Coke whos like "they're striking in Columbia...off em!"
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Post by: GCNMasterX on August 13, 2003, 10:00:40 AM
Hey..as long as I get my Vanilla Coke, I'm happy.

Like Perm said, Ness, Coke isn't just made in Columbia. Maybe your girlfriend's mother is getting to your head...(trust me..its normal)
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Post by: Grey Ninja on August 13, 2003, 01:23:38 PM
This is the kind of overactive behavior I hate.  Someone once started a petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (If you know what that is, keep quiet), and after a while, there were actually protest groups rallying in front of public buildings trying to ban the stuff.  People are just suckers for a big story.  They go off without even bothering to find out the truth of the matter.

Just let me drink my Coke in peace without the goddam conspiracy theories.
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:25:44 PM
You guys must be on drugs yourself.  I never once said that they put drugs in their stuff in Colombia.  My problem isn't that they have a plant in Colombia.  If you would just read my original post, you would realise that they are KILLING people, and THAT is my problem.  Unions are meant to ensure that people have fair wages.  They are entirely legal.  Hiring assasins to kill your emloyees is in no way legal.  Please, use some thought before you post, and don't say I was saying something I wasn't.
Coke products are labeled in red for a reason.  The blood that they have shed has stained them.
Title: RE: Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 13, 2003, 01:30:12 PM
Whatever.  Enough with the bloody conspiracy theories.

Ok, Coke is hiring people to kill all their employees so that they can make more Coke!  Are you f*cking happy?  Now let me drink my goddam coke and get out of my face.  And read my frickin post that's right above yours.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2003, 01:35:04 PM
Ness you missed this quote from ThePerm:

"oh and it isnt Cocacola whos doign the paramilitary stuff its their third party bottling company Panamco"
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 01:36:59 PM
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Coke products are labeled in red for a reason.  The blood that they have shed has stained them.


lol, dramatic
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:37:35 PM
2x post.  sorry.
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:42:00 PM
It's not a conspiracy.  If your dad was killed by his boss and there were no concequences, you wouldn't be very happy.
Kiss my link.  And my other link.


EDIT: and another link.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 01:50:01 PM
Your only hope now is lone vigilante justice
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:52:12 PM
Well, it was called a conspiracy.  Someone else doubted because of a lack of proof.  I just posted 3 sites.

Oh, and here's 4 links in one: LiNk
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Post by: Grey Ninja on August 13, 2003, 01:55:23 PM
And you know what?  dihydrogen monoxide is some really bad stuff

What's your point?
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 13, 2003, 01:57:52 PM
I'm going to work guys. If this thread turns into a flamefest before I get back, you're all banned ^_________^
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Post by: Grey Ninja on August 13, 2003, 01:59:12 PM
Oh odn't worry.  Flaming him over crap this stupid would be a serious waste of my time.
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 01:59:50 PM
My point is that if you buy their products you are effectively saying that they're not doing anyting wrong.  Murder, my friend, is wrong.  Getting away with it is just stupid.  Do you want to be a factor of their next killing?  If you do, thats horrible.
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Post by: Jdub03 on August 13, 2003, 02:24:37 PM
I dont drink pop anyways.  If I did this probably would not hinder me from buying their products.  Although I do feel bad that these people are getting murdered, im not the type of person that would do anything about it(Such as boycotting).  
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 02:35:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Jdub03
I dont drink pop anyways.  If I did this probably would not hinder me from buying their products.  Although I do feel bad that these people are getting murdered, im not the type of person that would do anything about it(Such as boycotting).



Lol, drastic action?  People can drink Pepsi instead, if not having cola is really a drastic measure.  Anyway, for people who take this thread seriously:

Some of Coke's most common products:
Bacardi Mixers
Barq's
Canada Dry
Cherry Coke
Crystal
Dasani water
Dr. Pepper
Fanta
Fresca
Fruitopia
Hi-C Punch
Ice Mountain
Limonaid products
Mello Yello
Minute Maid products
Mr. Pibb
Nescafe
Nestea products
Power aid
Red Lion
Refresh Tea
Splash
Sprite
Squirt
Sun Valley
Tab
Tai
Tasters Choice

 
Title: RE:Important! Read and bump!
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 13, 2003, 03:05:43 PM
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Starting July 22, a little-known boycott has started for coca-cola products. To participate, simply don't by Coke, Frutopia products, Sprite, and other such Coca-cola owned companies. We have to stand against these corperations if we want 3rd world countries to step out of the dust.


No way in mother-f***ing hell.  :|  I'm sorry, but Coca-Cola is my life and I will simply not stop buying Coke products because of a little boycott. I feel sorry for these workers in Columbia, but no boycott will EVER be big enough to get Coca-Cola to change something- it's one of the largest corporations in the world, for crying out loud! If I thought it would accomplish something, I'd do it, but I think everyone here should realize it WON'T. Do it by yourself if it makes you feel any better, but Coca-Cola makes more money every second, I'd bet, than a lot of people make in a lifetime, and a loose collection of nerds "boycotting" Coke products isn't going to change diddly squat. If the Columbian workers go on strike, that would most likely change the situation, but if they're already not making enough to live they definitely won't be up for something like that.    
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2003, 03:10:17 PM
Isn't Dr. Pepper a Pepsi brand?
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Post by: ThePerm on August 13, 2003, 03:17:00 PM
Coca-Cola is a company and is considered a single entity. However there are different branches all over the world ran by different groups. So the south american branch is shit? Well thats the south american branch and those individuals running the south american branch should be punished if indeed they are responsible for the murders. Now the North American and Aussie branches(gotta make a mention because of all the wonderful aussies on the board) may be connected to the South American Branch but do not in fact run the branch. I tend not to put people into groups and i do not believe in guilty by association. Im not going to stop drinking my American made Coca-Cola(actually i don't drink coke anyways. im just speaking out of principle and experience) but if for some reason I did go to Columbia for some strange suicidal reasons I would not drink any Coke. Also Nestle is having the same problem down there? Should we stop drinking Nestle? Thats up to you. Right now im gonna poor some Nestle Quick into some Coke and have Nestle Coke


sees list...well what do yu know nestlea and coke are the same company....
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Post by: Jdub03 on August 13, 2003, 04:27:43 PM
Ness the Mess Ive edited my post, Yea drastic action is laughable but you get my point.  
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Post by: ThePerm on August 13, 2003, 04:31:53 PM
doctor peper and mr pibb wouldnt be made by the same company.
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 04:40:02 PM
Voting won't do anything, by the same token.  If you believe the value of the individual is miniscule, it really destroys most western values.  If you don't believe a boycott alone will do anything, there is a petition being made, and many people are sending letters saying that they are boycotting and why.  So Coca-Cola DOES realize it's going on.

And yes, Dr. Pepper IS a pepsi product.  Sorry, I just copied and pasted that list from another site, I suppose I should have double checked it.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on August 13, 2003, 04:49:07 PM
Realizing it's going on and responding to it are two very different things. When it was announced Futurama would be cancelled a petition was started up to get it back on the air, which got over 200,000 signatures, I believe, the largest in TV history. Got Futurama gave a copy, which was bigger than 5 Manhattan phone books, to Fox, who promptly ignored it. I understand it's the American way to believe individuals have, but you have to be realistic here. I'm probably the biggest Coca-Cola fan you'll ever meet and I haven't even heard of this boycott, which is almost a month old. Do you REALLY think anything's going to change? Besides, even if the boycott was much bigger, Coca-Cola is HUGE company- you wouldn't be able to comprehend just how massive it is. I admire your tenacity, but nothing's changing at that plant down in Columbia unless they do something themselves, and I don't mean that to be mean or heartless, but to be factual.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on August 13, 2003, 06:13:42 PM
Are Unions legal in Colombia?  Just wondering. . .

Well, if you have the risk of being shot to death for trying to get higher wages, my suggestion is get another job.  I'm still buying Coke products.  It's not my business what a bunch of idiots in Colombia do.  
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Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 13, 2003, 10:02:51 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Realizing it's going on and responding to it are two very different things. When it was announced Futurama would be cancelled a petition was started up to get it back on the air, which got over 200,000 signatures, I believe, the largest in TV history. Got Futurama gave a copy, which was bigger than 5 Manhattan phone books, to Fox, who promptly ignored it. I understand it's the American way to believe individuals have, but you have to be realistic here. I'm probably the biggest Coca-Cola fan you'll ever meet and I haven't even heard of this boycott, which is almost a month old. Do you REALLY think anything's going to change? Besides, even if the boycott was much bigger, Coca-Cola is HUGE company- you wouldn't be able to comprehend just how massive it is. I admire your tenacity, but nothing's changing at that plant down in Columbia unless they do something themselves, and I don't mean that to be mean or heartless, but to be factual.


If you are a large Coca-Cola fan, then it's more likely that you would NOT have heard about this boycott, rather than the opposite.  If people were to boycott Gamecube, I would have no clue, since they would probably talk about it around GC-hosers anyway.

Anyway, some people wanting a company to spend money to continue a television show is different than asking a company to stop from murdering people.

And yes, to the best of my knowledge, it is legal to have unions in Colombia - not that it really matters, since the government has little say in most things.  Things are usually decided by who has the most guns+manpower.