Post by: Luciferschild on August 09, 2003, 09:08:53 PM
Post by: jmoe316 on August 09, 2003, 09:26:01 PM
Post by: PIAC on August 09, 2003, 10:08:46 PM
1) the wind waker looked beautiful
2) why waste that engine when it can be put to use in yet another stunning game
3) scared that your cool friends wont think your cool if your caught playing the wind waker? well then grow up.
4) do i come and complain when for example Resident Evil is too scary? no! i just dont play the damn game
5) Nintendo in house games usually look welcome and inviting to all ages, why decide you hate that all of a sudden?
6) ITS A GAME, NOT SOMETHING THAT EFFECTS YOUR MAN HOOD!
*continues playing wind waker on homo-erotic purple cube*
sorry to get angry, but im so sick of this arguement, we all went through it when the wind waker was first shown, and now there is a direct sequel announced i DEFINATLY DO NOT want to go through it all over again
Post by: Don'tHate742 on August 09, 2003, 10:13:05 PM
Anyways, all I hope they fix is the town size. I want huge areas to explore, you know, something so big that it makes little old link feel insignificant. I geuss the overworld was incredibly vast, but most of the time I was just waiting to arrive on a puny island.
Oh, I almost forgot, they should have a mix between styles of overworlds. Such as half ocean and half land, and when your on land you ride a horse or something.
Post by: PIAC on August 09, 2003, 10:15:17 PM
Post by: jmoe316 on August 09, 2003, 10:23:08 PM
Everyone's been wanting the original Legend of Zelda that debuted on the NES. It is hidden away in Animal Crossing and i don't think it has been revealed how to achieve it yet, besides using Action Reply. So here is the idea. Say for a hidden item, maybe you get after doing a long side quest such as collecting all the treasure maps in WW for example. So after you complete this long quest you get the secret package. You have to take it back to your own house to open it, and SURPRISE, it's a NES with Legend of Zelda inside. With AC, it seems Nintendo doesn't mind giving this game away, and this would be such a huge selling point for the game!! I'd definately buy it just for that!! it would be like buying Legend of Zelda with Wind Waker 2 as a bonus game
Who's with me?
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on August 10, 2003, 01:08:47 AM
I look forward to what this Zelda has installed, also didn't Miyamoto say Link would look different?
Post by: joshnickerson on August 10, 2003, 04:25:49 AM
*******POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!!*****
I'm also thinking the sequel will take place in the "New Hyrule" they set out to find at the end of WW...
Post by: Mario on August 10, 2003, 04:41:27 AM
Post by: Raijin Z on August 10, 2003, 08:57:04 AM
Post by: Zach on August 10, 2003, 10:53:00 AM
Post by: Luciferschild on August 10, 2003, 12:00:27 PM
Post by: ThePerm on August 10, 2003, 03:01:29 PM
Post by: The Omen on August 10, 2003, 03:18:04 PM
If you want them to go back to the 'realistic' style, then you won't see Zelda for 3 years, and i dont want to wait that long.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 10, 2003, 04:07:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2003, 04:22:01 PM
1) How old are you?
2) How long have you been gaming?
3) What genres do you prefer?
I was just curious because an older, more experienced gamer seems to act more mature about topics such as this one. It absolutely sickens me that people such as yourself actually take the time to come online and ***** about things noone really cares about. And you still haven't given any real reason why you dislike WW, besides the graphical style that is.
Post by: mojorizin on August 10, 2003, 04:36:03 PM
Post by: Cap on August 10, 2003, 04:42:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2003, 04:53:04 PM
Post by: PIAC on August 10, 2003, 05:18:41 PM
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Of course I pretty much expected this. Don't want to scare off the 3 year old gamers, nintendo's target audience.
that doesn't sound much like someone who is a nintendo fan, a cheep shot at the company along the lines of a rival console fanboy's usual arguements.
totally unnesessary
Post by: joshnickerson on August 10, 2003, 05:43:57 PM
Oh, and a note of interest, every gamer I know my age, even the Xbox crazy ones, think The Wind Waker is excellent. The only ones that spout out disdain are the little 10 year olds who think Turok Evolution is the greatest game evar.
Post by: Nintendomojo on August 10, 2003, 06:31:38 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on August 10, 2003, 08:23:58 PM
The NES graphics were all they could come with, then came the SNES which made it more bright and colorful. The N64 allowed 3-D graphics, so they used that style. Then came the GC which allowed for remarkably beautiful cel-shaded style. I wonder what they'll do with the next console. Maybe they'll try the dark realistic zelda that everyone seemed to be pleased with at SpaceWorld.
Personally I would rather have them take another crack at the cel-shading. So when they draw it up, it can actually look like the manual art and book art. That would be sweet.
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 10, 2003, 08:30:44 PM
Now, as to the 'new Hyrule,' I have a thought on that as well. In my opinion, Wind Waker was just a continuation of the future in OoT. You see, when time travel occurs, new continueum are formed. These must be caused because all time happens at the same time. So, when Link defeated Gannon while he was a late-teen, that continueum contined. However, that continueum was continued in the form of Wind Waker. In the history of WW, they say that the hero left the plane entirely, and that is because Link went back in time. Many people asume that when the history says that, it is reffering to Majora's Mask, but in MM Link comes back.
So, Wind Waker continued the continueum where Gannon was semi-defeated. Does anyone else recall that at the end of WW, it says 'The Legend of Zelda The End'? It didn't bother saying Wind Waker in there. That is because that is where the Legend of Zelda stops. At least, in that continueum. Now, they can continue the continueum where Link was just a child, and met Zelda at the end of OoT. Since Gannon was banished into a temporal plane, it removed him from all time, past and present, and so he was no longer in that continueum. Thus, a new story starting at the beginning of OoT, without Gannon.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 10, 2003, 08:31:53 PM
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4) do i come and complain when for example Resident Evil is too scary? no! i just dont play the damn game
Since when has PIAC, the scared little wuss, ever played a scary game? You're barely through ED and you're pissing youself already!!!
Post by: shadow on August 10, 2003, 09:24:36 PM
So if you didn't for some reason like WW because of it's graphics, well the next time around (2004), your not going to be pleased because or Cel shaded friend is making another apperance.
Post by: joshnickerson on August 11, 2003, 04:33:06 AM
This is why I don't visit the Zelda forums anymore.
I can't keep track of all the different time theories and branching realities. 
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 11, 2003, 05:40:20 AM
Visuals play a huge part in all forms of entertainment, if someone doesnt like what they are seeing it will surely affect his/her ability to enjoy the other aspects of the game/movie and so on.
I though the gameplay aspect of WW was brilliant, it was a snap to control and play the game, and didnt require much in the way of a learning curve. The game itself was far to easy IMO, and lacked dungeons, which are for the most part the only thing I like about Zelda games.
I do have to agree on the visuals, I think they sucked. I do admit they were brilliantly done, but I just cant stand the style personally. I have never been a fan of cartoons, even as a child, and this style used on the game just didnt suit my tastes.
This has nothing to do with Nintendo, nothing to do with the game itself really, many love the game style, I just am not one of them.
I would love a realistic Zelda, a real dark atmospheric game, where when link was getting his ass kicked, you know it, and the creatures that guard the dungeons, look like they should be dealt with with extreme caution. Again it is all about tastes, and has nothing to do with ones age or maturity, as many here seem to think is the only reason people dont like it.
I am a 32 year old gamer, and have been gaming since the vic 20 days, so am by no means a rookie to this. Liking cartoons doesnt make you mature and liking blood and violence doesnt make you a childish punk. Not understanding that everyone has differant preferances, and ragging someone for their opinions and taste is what clearly defines who the children are.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2003, 06:06:04 AM
Post by: Luciferschild on August 11, 2003, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: PIAC on August 11, 2003, 10:16:12 AM
as a 3 year old target audience of nintendo i think your wrong, WW looks alot like a very updated version of the Link to the Past engine, ohwell, its a moot point anyway, you've made your mind up, old or not i think your acting rather stupidly.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on August 11, 2003, 10:29:24 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2003, 10:30:39 AM
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on August 11, 2003, 02:19:37 PM
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Thecubedcanuck pretty much expressed my feelings exactly. To Bill, my age shall remain a mystery but I've been playing games since I was 6 or 7 and that was a long time ago, I don't prefer any genre and play anything that I think is good. I also cannot stand the style of ww graphics, the whole cheap disney movie on crack with character models more deformed than mr. potato head thing just doesn't work for me, it's not for everyone. I'd prefer graphics similar to oot/mm since I thought those games were beautiful. I'd prefer a more mature, harder, darker zelda game like the original zelda which if you think about it had a dark and desolate feel to it. I'm not knocking people for liking the game but even if you like it you have to admit that it has kiddie feel to it, not just the graphics but the way it's presented and the gameplay. It feels very un-zelda to me. On the other hand I don't have a problem with a game like animal crossing because it looks the way it's supposed to look, it's nice and cute and fun and that's what it's supposed to be. That's not what I want out of a zelda game, nor do I care for link and co. looking like deformed freaks of nature. And to Bill if you don't think what I have to say is mature enough for you than don't read my posts, no one is making you.
Well, since I'm not Bill, I'll respond. Your age will remain a mystery, eh? One year to an 8 year old would be considered a LONG time. Most long-time gamers are fairly grounded in they types of games they like. I'm sure there is some pattern to what you consider good. As bill had just said, it isn't people who dislike the graffics, but it's people who are immature about it that get on other peoples nerves. 'Cheap disney movie on crack' and 'models more deformed than mr. potato head' really make you sound mature. Good job, thumbs up (if you are 8, although I doubt it, I will point out that the last sentence was sarcasm). Don't you mean you think OoT and MM's graffics were more beautiful than WW's, because that is your opinion? Thought so. Kiddie because of the graffics and gameplay, and feels un-zelda like? You obviously haven't played your own beloved OoT, since the gameplay is the exact same. And oh yes, considered by some to be the best of the series, ALTTP had VERY similar graffics to WW, albeit the fact that WW was 3d. Just thought I'd point out a few oversights in a friendly way. Have a nice day
Post by: Berny on August 11, 2003, 02:39:05 PM
Oh and on a separate and unrelated note, Moblins rock. I like how their jowels flap when they think they hear something. And when you stab them in the buttocks...oh great stuff...
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 03:50:31 PM
I liked the graphics, the gameplay. . . and if you've played the whole thing, many parts of it are far from childish. The ending is very cool, and somewhat grim, as are other parts of the story.
Yeah, enemies coming back are cool. If you do the Ninty Gallery sidequest, one statue you get is, of course, octorocks. When you look at it, it says: Perfect Attendance Award. I thought that was cool. And the zombies are creepy. Zombies in Zelda games always freak me out. I mean, in Resident Evil, you're expecting zombies to jump out of the walls and eat your brains, so it doesn't bother me. But in WW, before I know Redead are even in the game, I'm looking through the sewer in my cabana, and I go down this hole, and there are these two human figures and suddenly I can't move and they're screaming and eating me and I'm saying "WHAT THE HELL?" Freaky, man, freaky.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 03:58:33 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 04:05:03 PM
Post by: Berny on August 11, 2003, 04:21:30 PM
Anyways, yeah the redeads were cool. I'm glad that WW finally showed what they were doing when they creep up behind a little boy jump on his back and start groaning. And I'll just say I'm glad they were gnawing considering the alternative...
Although I thought it was weird that they sounded like elephants. Interesting touch and I'm not exactly sure if I prefer the old human scream to it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 04:57:22 PM
The old ones freaked me out a lot, too, mainly because the scream seemed to come from nowhere.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 11, 2003, 05:29:36 PM
AHHH!
There's one over there!!!!
*runs*
*screams from distance*
Sometimes I can get so freaked out that I chuck bombs at them. It takes longer, but at least I don't have to go near them.....
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 07:52:55 PM
Post by: Luciferschild on August 11, 2003, 08:33:20 PM
On another note: I don't really think there are any similarities between alttp and wind waker, alttp has some bright colors but I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare it's graphics to ww. It had the best graphics for it's time while ww has quite possibly most rediculous looking graphics I've ever seen.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 11, 2003, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: Luciferschild on August 11, 2003, 08:54:29 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 11, 2003, 08:54:55 PM
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Y'know, if you shine light on them with the Mirror shield, they get all shocked and don't scream for a little while. Learned that after I beat the game, while I was doing the Ninty Gallery. Came in handy later on.
Yeah, i found that out too after you realise that it's teh only way to defeat the Poes. I didn't even know they were Poes!!
Still..........
People didn't WANT Wind Waker to have that graphics style. It's just something we've gotten used to and found out that it was the best way to to Zelda now. I'm not saying that this is the way that Zelda should be from now on and forever more. It's just that if Nintendo DID make a realistic Zelda, and it didn't have HALF of the gorgeous animation and liveliness that WW had, to me, and most others, it would seem more like a BACKWARD step that forward. Leave that 3D Zelda for next generation. You want WW2 to come out on Gamecube don't ya?
Post by: Luciferschild on August 11, 2003, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: PIAC on August 11, 2003, 10:27:29 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on August 12, 2003, 02:08:32 AM
At least you seem to have played it. What I DON'T accept is people putting the game down for it's graphics without playing it, and demos don't really count.
The story was for me more important than the graphics, with the graphics complimenting the story. I have to say though that more detail would have been nice, as the green, blue and yellow seem to get a little blandish.
One thing i absolutely MUST say is that WW is a graphical leap over OoT and MM by a LONG shot. I've said this before, but repetition really hammers the point down, and it's that OoT just became as boring as water. Master Quest may spice up OoT a bit with the different item placement, etc, but in the end it's still OoT and for me playing either one becomes a tedious affair.
But what if WW was a dark, edgy, violent adventure game in the vein of say, The Two Towers by EA, but still retained it's toon-shaded graphics? What would people say then?
Post by: thecubedcanuck on August 12, 2003, 04:49:45 AM
My problem with Zelda isnt the cell shading at all, it is the actual look of the characters, not the overall look of the game. There is a huge differance.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 12, 2003, 04:53:38 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 12, 2003, 06:37:57 AM
Yeah, when I play OoT now, it's relatively boring. MM is a little bit better, but not much.
Post by: Caliban on August 12, 2003, 08:05:17 AM
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Well you may be in luck then. I believe Iwata said that Link could have a whole different look in the next game.
Most probably we will be playing an older link, perhaps a 17 year old Link.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 12, 2003, 09:44:14 AM
