Post by: Pikkcuber on August 06, 2003, 10:24:49 AM
Post by: Gibdo Master on August 07, 2003, 10:30:03 AM
Most people seem to want the next Game Boy to use some form of disk just for the cool factor and little else.
Post by: Cap on August 07, 2003, 10:54:06 AM
discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.
Post by: kennyb27 on August 07, 2003, 01:19:38 PM
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Optical discs are generally considered to be the dominant media over mask ROMs, but this is not the case in every situation. I don't think devoting ourselves entirely to discs is the best answer, but if we can solve problems like size, weight, and power usage even with optical discs, then Nintendo is not against utilizing discs in its portable games in the future.
Post by: Berny on August 08, 2003, 04:25:28 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 08, 2003, 04:50:44 AM
Post by: PIAC on August 08, 2003, 05:02:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Cap
nintendo should go to a disc format for the next gameboy, and thats the 3" disc the gc plays. it seems to me nintendos best option is to make a portable gc to compete with the psp.
discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.
that makes about as much sence as my toenail, when has nintendo planned all along to use the gcn disc for gbX? the GCN disc hangs over all edges of the current SP by a few milimeters, so incorperating those perticular discs into the GBX would make it quite a bit larger than the SP, and i think the SP is the perfect size for a hand held.
if nintendo can somehow tool up a disc that wont damage, and doesn't burn up the batteries or make the size of the GBX too big then ill go for it, untill then i would prefer the cart based games
Post by: Cap on August 08, 2003, 06:04:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Cap
nintendo should go to a disc format for the next gameboy, and thats the 3" disc the gc plays. it seems to me nintendos best option is to make a portable gc to compete with the psp.
discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.
that makes about as much sence as my toenail, when has nintendo planned all along to use the gcn disc for gbX? the GCN disc hangs over all edges of the current SP by a few milimeters, so incorperating those perticular discs into the GBX would make it quite a bit larger than the SP, and i think the SP is the perfect size for a hand held.
if nintendo can somehow tool up a disc that wont damage, and doesn't burn up the batteries or make the size of the GBX too big then ill go for it, untill then i would prefer the cart based games
i didnt say they were planning all along to use the gc discs, i said I think they were. there is a difference and it makes alot more sense then your toenail as well. they would have superior hardware, and over 200 games to launch the system with. i'd be all for another cartridge based system(i despise loading times) if they could find a way to get more storage capacity AND lower the price of games, but it isnt going to happen. if sony comes in with better hardware, and cheaper games nintendo's dominance on the handheld market is finished. would it have to be bigger then the sp? sure but it would be well worth it in my opinion.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 08, 2003, 06:31:40 AM
Me want cartriges. But I have a feeling Nintendo will go with disks just because they know they will need to compete. They don't want another N64 if you know what i mean. I'm usually wrong when predicting the future though...
Post by: Cap on August 08, 2003, 10:17:16 AM
the n64 is pretty much what i see happening to the gb if nintendo stays with cartridges. nintendo basically lost the home console market becouse of cartridges, and the same could very easily happen to the gb. cartridges just arent very attractive to third party developers, and as the gc proves nintendos own games can only take the system so far.
Post by: AdvancedGamer on August 08, 2003, 12:36:41 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on August 08, 2003, 05:49:44 PM
Also it would probably raise the price of the system and Nintendo has said that they feel that the best price point for a hand held is $100 or below and I would say that consumers agree with this too. This is another reason why the GBA didn't have any lighting.
There's also the durability factor. The GBA can take a serious beating and keep on playing but I seriously doubt it would be as tough with the fairly sensitive stuff you would need in it to play disks.
Again I will say that if anything some type of memory stick would be best. There's a quite a few memories sticks coming out that can practically do anything a disk can do (when you are looking for a hand held media anyway) and without a lot of the draw backs. Not to mention there's a lot of people that are saying that cartridges in one form or another will probably replace disks in the video game world within the next couple of generations anyway.
Post by: kennyb27 on August 09, 2003, 06:31:07 AM
QuoteWhere did you hear this? And with the dual-layered DVD's used in today's consoles, there's hardly a chance they will go back.
Not to mention there's a lot of people that are saying that cartridges in one form or another will probably replace disks in the video game world within the next couple of generations anyway.
Also did anyone Iwata's statement I posted earlier regarding discs? I think it's pretty clear that he prefers cartridges to discs for portable gaming.
Post by: Cap on August 09, 2003, 11:25:31 AM
"According to some web reports, Iwata will look at optical disc media for the Game Boy Advance successor. "
obviously the validility of the statement is in question(according to SOME web reports), but i can only hope that this is indeed true and that nintendo is realizing the steps they are going to have to take to maintain their hold on the portable market.
Post by: kennyb27 on August 09, 2003, 09:53:35 PM
Post by: Pikkcuber on August 10, 2003, 10:27:27 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on August 10, 2003, 02:49:51 PM
Post by: Cap on August 10, 2003, 04:05:17 PM
and pikkcuber, why did you start this thread? so you could call the people who disagree with you idiots? the only idiot i see is people like you who cant seem to respect other peoples opinions.
Post by: bigngamer on August 10, 2003, 08:50:14 PM
If PSP really comes with all the technology announced it's not coming with the price range of a GBA... A PDA with such technology costs at least $400. Surely, this technology is going to be cheaper one year from now when PSP is going to be released, but, anyway, it's not gonna be cheap.
I'm afraid Nintendo is not bringing many improvements to the next Gameboy for such reason$. I'd love to have a gameboy with a new form of media, better screen, stronger processing and more buttons, but I don't know if it's going to come true...
If Nintendo gets rid of the optical discs issues (batteries, loading times and durability) I guess the best media would be a case-protected optical disc (like PSP). Memory sticks would also be nice, but they're still too slow for such applications and very expensive for now.
The main issue about changing media is the loss of backward-compatibility (and I'm almost sure Nintendo won't let it happen). Unfortunately, I agree that it's gonna be tough for the Gameboy to face PSP without some technological evolutions... Let's hope Nintendo hears us all!!!
Post by: kennyb27 on August 11, 2003, 01:13:57 PM
Post by: Cap on August 12, 2003, 10:40:27 AM
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Post by: Cap on August 12, 2003, 03:49:09 PM
Post by: PIAC on August 12, 2003, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on August 15, 2003, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: sheik124 on September 02, 2003, 01:06:28 PM
although at first i hoped it'd be something like Nintendo Pocket 64, plays all old 64 games! go zelda
ot! but that would fail horribly when put up to PSP.and for all of you bugging about some pseudo-mini gamecube gadget, there is probably no way nintedo can keep the price under 100 USD, give you a durable system like GB, GBP (i have my GBP since '98 and its fine, fallen at least 57 times), GBC, and GBA (i find GBA SP to be flimsy in design), and give it hw like the gc's, and doing away with the fans is impossible, because it would probably melt, unless they used some water or thermal cooling, kicking the price up 100 bucks or so
Post by: Cap on September 02, 2003, 04:36:48 PM
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Originally posted by: sheik124
i don't know who recommended it, but i agree with whoever said it, nintendo should go with some type of memory stick, preferrably an SD card
although at first i hoped it'd be something like Nintendo Pocket 64, plays all old 64 games! go zelda
and for all of you bugging about some pseudo-mini gamecube gadget, there is probably no way nintedo can keep the price under 100 USD, give you a durable system like GB, GBP (i have my GBP since '98 and its fine, fallen at least 57 times), GBC, and GBA (i find GBA SP to be flimsy in design), and give it hw like the gc's, and doing away with the fans is impossible, because it would probably melt, unless they used some water or thermal cooling, kicking the price up 100 bucks or so
i realize that nintendo would have to find a way to cool the system, and that they might have to take a hit on the hardware costs and mentioned both in my previous posts. as i said, i dont think nintendo is going to have a new handheld releasing at the same time as the psp, i expect it to launch about a year later. that gives nintendo plenty of time to work out the battery and cooling issues, along with giving time for the gc's parts and components to come down in price. i'm pretty much positive that it could be done, i think it really comes down to how badly nintendo wants to compete.
Post by: MattVDB on September 03, 2003, 08:34:16 PM
Piracy could be a big issue, but this is Nintendo. They have yet to be cracked in the console race, and I am sure they could do the same again. Not like the GBA doesn't already have tons of pirates....
