Post by: StevePitman on July 18, 2003, 11:00:49 AM
wow! the main page is coming up!... Nintendo is releasing a... OOPS! where did the page go?? (it switches to an ad page)...
click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube".... click on "continue to planet gamecube"....
wow! the main page is coming up!...
I know you guys want to make some money but congratulations on being more annoying than IGN.
It wouldn't happen if you didn't have your cookies turned off. - Mod
Post by: enigma487 on July 18, 2003, 11:50:41 AM
just get a copy of Norton Internet Security. it blocks most pop-ups, and pop-overs.
Post by: Gamefreak on July 18, 2003, 10:27:49 PM
But then again I'll wait for our network to launch and see the servers in action for myself before messing with a great site like PGC....
I still don't get how you can't find a server with at least a little less ads though....oh well, I don't care, the ads never really bothered me, I've become quite a 1337 ad destroying with my awesome mouse aiming and phat-speed clicking the little X to close it ability.....
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 19, 2003, 06:00:46 AM
Post by: PIAC on July 19, 2003, 07:12:04 AM
im still using Internal Exploder, it hasn't really given me any greif so i haven't been assed to get moezilla or something
and enigma, sorry to be a bitch, but its 'would you like some cheese to go with that whine' unless you were genuinly offering cheese, and if so mines a wedge of havarti please
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 19, 2003, 01:41:18 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 20, 2003, 06:12:02 AM
Now we need a FLASH ad blocker. Those flash ads on PGC that completely take over the entire screen with very small and hard to find "close" buttons, if they have any at all, should rot in hell.
PGC said a long time ago that that they transfer gigabytes per day. They're probably bigger now. Can your server handle that?
Post by: Gamefreak on July 20, 2003, 07:02:55 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 20, 2003, 05:29:38 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 20, 2003, 05:35:28 PM
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Either you really love IE, or you really like to whine.
::shudders:: I can't image the prospect of ANYONE liking Intenet Explorer.
Post by: PIAC on July 20, 2003, 07:26:43 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 21, 2003, 03:43:34 AM
Post by: StevePitman on July 21, 2003, 05:33:20 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 05:55:26 AM
Being better than Netscape doesn't really take much.
And it really doesn't take a lot of work to upgrade your browser. It's a 6MB download, followed by an unzip, and double clicking an icon. Whoopie. That's a lot of work. If you want a more detailed explanation of why you should switch from IE, read this
I once used IE because I didn't really see much benefit in switching, as the only other browser I had used was Netscape, which was horribly buggy, and horribly slow. I switched because I had heard that Firebird (Phoenix at the time), was faster, and much less hassle than IE. I tried it out for a few days. On the 2nd day, I disabled IE, and made Firebird my default browser. When I lost my internet access from home, and had to use School computers to access the internet, I was forced to use IE again. I actually used up 6MBs of my 10MBs of personal space to use Firebird from school because I had grown to hate IE so much. It was slow, buggy, and didn't have a lot of features I had grown accustomed to using.
Firebird does EVERYTHING that IE does, but does it faster, and adds features to what IE does.
If you are coming here complaining about your browsing experience, and immediately saying that IE is better than anything else without trying the "else", then you are seriously ignorant. The simple remedy is to try new things.
PS: forgot to mention that unlike IE, Firebird is updated several times a week, and you are free to use nightly binaries as you wish, to add more features, or to fix the occasional bug.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on July 21, 2003, 06:42:45 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 06:55:17 AM
I have personally only used the Linux and Windows versions, but both were excellent, even in the earlier life of the browser.Firebird is by far the best browser I have ever used though. I am not sure what other browsers are available on a Mac, but I doubt it's worse.
The Firebird programmers have been bitching about their code for the longest time on all platforms, but we love them all the same. At any rate, my official response to your question is to try it and see for yourself. If you don't like it, it's a trivial exercise to remove it.
I am using the latest Windows build (July 20th), and it's working just fine for me, so try out the latest binary and see if you like it at all.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 09:13:27 AM
Post by: Caliban on July 21, 2003, 10:04:55 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 21, 2003, 10:09:20 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 21, 2003, 10:10:56 AM
And the similarity of the IE and Firebird browsers in interface is one thing that I did want to highlight. Firebird is completely customizable, so you can make it look like IE, if that's your thing. (It isn't my thing). I also have a cleaner Firebird browser, as I never use IE anymore, so there's really no point in customizing it to my liking. EDIT: KnowsNothing beat me to it... even without the quick reply tool...
Post by: vudu on July 22, 2003, 06:08:21 AM
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The bottom one has a "Quick Reply" option thingie which looks very useful.
does the quick reply option not work with ie? i use opera, and it works just fine. i didn't know i was special.
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 22, 2003, 06:11:46 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 08:04:40 AM
Post by: RickPowers on July 22, 2003, 09:26:39 AM
It's at the TOP of the page, and looks like a red "return" arrow. Click that, and a window will pop up with a Quick Reply box. You can then "dock" that window at the bottom of the thread, so it's always there (but only when you're logged in).
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: Pale on July 22, 2003, 11:59:52 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2003, 01:15:24 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 22, 2003, 02:34:19 PM
Post by: Pale on July 22, 2003, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: snorgasmo on July 23, 2003, 01:37:46 PM
* i have no idea how you're getting paid for that nike ad
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 23, 2003, 01:41:06 PM
"which is more important to pgc? a few extra cents per impression* or your readers?"
I vote a few cents. No ads means no money, which could lead to no PGC. What good would readers do then?
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 23, 2003, 03:48:03 PM
Post by: Pale on July 23, 2003, 08:23:39 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 24, 2003, 02:27:46 AM
I honestly am considering stopping buying from companies that use intrusive advertising of any kind, be it pop ups or telemarketing, bother me once and I will tell you to kiss my azz for eternity.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 24, 2003, 11:12:55 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 24, 2003, 12:29:19 PM
Kudos to a job well done! (and if you didn't do anything...then...well...good job anyway
)=me!As for you, thecubbedcanuck, turn your sound down or better yet, off. There's nothing to listen to here unless you're at the PGC radio.
Post by: Molobert on July 25, 2003, 09:25:54 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 26, 2003, 06:06:08 AM
Anyways, I'm glad you enjoy it as much as I.
Post by: PIAC on July 26, 2003, 06:10:49 AM
and even ctrl tabbing can cycle through them im set!
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 26, 2003, 06:46:32 AM
Post by: Caliban on July 26, 2003, 09:31:53 AM
Post by: Caliban on July 27, 2003, 10:01:39 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 27, 2003, 11:12:47 AM
As for offline browsing, I have no idea how you would do that, as I have never used the function. You could try the Firebird forums though.
Post by: Caliban on July 27, 2003, 05:47:34 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 28, 2003, 03:50:49 PM
I think I should mention though, that I just installed Firebird 6.1 RC1, and it seems they have changed the icon... It's a lot snazzier. It's like a whole lot of fire.
Post by: Molobert on July 29, 2003, 07:48:31 AM
Post by: Fammy2000 on August 01, 2003, 06:45:54 AM
I browse exclusively with Firebird, it's awesome.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 01, 2003, 07:11:26 AM
Post by: snorgasmo on August 17, 2003, 11:41:25 AM
i seem to recall the billy managed PGC to have done just fine without the absurd amount of ads and the site had way better content. now, it just feels like someone is trying to cash in on the site while providing the bare minimum of mediocre content for the site.
this isn't a threat.. i'm already done with this site and won't be visiting again for a very long time, if ever again. just thought you'd like to know WHY. i will probably still lurk in the forums once in awhile though... cheers.
Post by: RickPowers on August 17, 2003, 01:45:03 PM
First, the way our ads are handled has not changed one iota since Billy left. We've been sticking with the status quo, so any increase in ads is all in your imagination. (Save for the extra pop-up on the media download page, which offsets the costs for that server).
Second, every single dollar generated by our ads go towards the site. No one is "cashing in", and to suggest otherwise is simply ignorant.
That said, a simple pop-up blocker gets rid of most of those ads. All the in-line ads are unobtriusive enough where we've received very few complaints about them.
If you're not going to come back because you refuse to get a pop-up blocker or a browser that will do it, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy from me.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 17, 2003, 01:59:29 PM
As for the pop-ups, don't even BEGIN whining until you get a pop-up blocker. I do not believe people should complain about things they are perfectly capable of fixing.
Post by: Uglydot on August 17, 2003, 02:12:19 PM
Post by: snorgasmo on August 18, 2003, 12:45:46 PM
i think it's unfair to have this "install software on your computer or suffer the consequences" philosophy of site management. i shouldn't have to install a popup blocker just for this one site. especially not when, like i said, there are several other similar sites that can deliver me the exact same content without the large number of ads. besides, if you're encouraging your readers to install popup blockers, you're not going to be getting revenue from them anyway, so why don't you just get rid of them?
popup blockers aren't perfect, they often require configuring and turning off and on as they sometimes block legitimate content. pain in the ass.gamespot and ign offer rich media content. video reviews, video caputres, screen shots, and not to mention regular editorial content and articles, along with timely reviews. how can you even begin to compare what pgc offers to that of those 2 big sites? when pgc starts delivering content like those sites, i would gladly sit through the ads, or hell even pay for it.
basically what i'm getting at is that the content for this site isn't worth all the ads i get slammed in my face. i can deal with popups if the content is compelling enough for me to suffer through it... but come on, interstitial ads, 2 - 3 popups per page, 4 - 6 inline ads per page... it's all a little much... and taking a look at the string of updates for the past month, there's little to nothing that makes me want to go and install an additional piece of software for my computer.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 18, 2003, 01:14:37 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 18, 2003, 01:36:38 PM
I want everyone who complains to SHUT UP or go away. You don't have to come to this site, but I find it to be the best GC site on the net by a longshot. So there.
Post by: aoi tsuki on August 18, 2003, 04:14:22 PM
And PGC simply can't compete with IGN or Gamespot. Both of the latter are companies that hire and pay employees, which are often employed by professional (or at least more seasoned) writers. Both sites also have a bigger focus and of course bigger workforce. i'm not downing PGC at all, but if you're honestly expecting them to go toe-to-toe with the "big boys", that just won't happen.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 18, 2003, 04:19:34 PM
Post by: RickPowers on August 18, 2003, 05:33:06 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 18, 2003, 06:08:03 PM
If you STINK, then TAKE A BATH
If you don't like POPUPS, then install a POPUP KILLER.
WTF is your problem? Are you retarded?
I use the browser Mozilla Firebird. It NEVER blocks popups that I request, and on the one occasion that it did, I can just unblock the site. I have NEVER seen an advertisement popup since I have installed it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 19, 2003, 10:41:59 AM
Post by: snorgasmo on August 20, 2003, 12:59:18 PM
http://www.nintendojo.com (nintendo)
http://www.n-philes.com (nintendo)
http://www.ultimategamez.com (nintendo)
http://www.nintendoinsider.com (nintendo)
http://www.n-gamer.com (nintendo)
http://www.gamerfeed.com (multi-platform)
http://www.polygonmag.com (multi-platform)
http://www.eurogamer.net (multi-platform)
i could go on and on... assuming the mods won't delete the list of links i just posted, or this post entirely, you will see that i get more than enough videogame coverage, without paying a penny, without having to install additional software, and without having to close popup ads..
mouseclicker, you obviously don't visit many sites if you think pgc has the best news and features on the net. gimme a break.
grey ninja, i'm glad you enjoy your popup killer.
honestly guys, listen to yourselves... your popup-killer arguements still baffle me.. if you're all using popup killers, pgc is NOT getting paid for them.. and since pgc seems to be actively ENCOURAGING it's users to use popup killers, why even bother having them in the first place??? it's the most idiotic thing ever.
and rick, it really says something about how much you care about your readers when you would rather tell them to piss off then to actually look at the situation and try to think of compromises or alternate methods of generating revenue... to that i give you the glorious one finger salute. try to remember that without readers your site is NOTHING. i may be the only one who has really spoke up about this, but i can guarantee you that i'm not the only one that feels this way. don't let a few asskissers fool you into believing that pgc is still as great and respected as it once was.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 20, 2003, 01:05:24 PM
1) It's all free. ALL
2) They have the best writers in the business, online, that is.
3) They have much more personallity, and it's much more of a community than other site. The staff posts right here in the forums and are very active. They all have a likeable personalities and are great hard workers. And they do this for free.
4) POPUPS AREN'T A PROBLEM
5) The modding on this forum is great. They do away with useless junk and encourage intelectual (sp?) conversation. Which is good, if you didn't know.
That is what I have to say and now I'm hungry.
Post by: mouse_clicker on August 20, 2003, 01:16:58 PM
You obviously don't understand the way advertising works. Companies pay PGC to advertise their produdcts on the site. It doesn't matter if we actually click on the ads and visit them- people don't do that even when they don't have pop-up killers. PGC doesn't get a cut of the profits or anything, so we could click a thousand times and you wouldn't see any less ads.
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 20, 2003, 02:38:29 PM
Popup killers don't prevent the ads from loading, they prevent them from displaying. Whoever told you otherwise is outright lying, or describing a shoddy product. I am not hurting PGC's revenue one bit by running a popup killer.
But I am just sick of trying to talk sense to you. If someone is complaining that the sun is too bright, but doesn't have the brains to accept the sunglasses I am offering, then I will simply leave him to suffer, and tell him to STFU before I slap him. This isn't much of a different case.
Go to the other sites, and STFU.
Post by: snorgasmo on August 20, 2003, 10:24:49 PM
now, you can continue to call me names and attempt to belittle the opinions and concerns that i have, but that doesn't change the fact that pgc could use some improvements... in the ad department and otherwise.
i do have to address the following:
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Popup killers don't prevent the ads from loading, they prevent them from displaying. Whoever told you otherwise is outright lying, or describing a shoddy product. I am not hurting PGC's revenue one bit by running a popup killer.
so grey ninja, you're trying to tell me popup killers don't prevent the ads from loading? really? where do you suppose these ads load then, when you instantaneously close the window these ads are supposed to appear in? do they load in some kind of magic popup heaven and then beam down transmissions to the webserver that tracks these ads? oh wait, you have one of those advanced popup killers that prevents the windows from even opening in the first place? where do you suppose those ads load? in a magical void in the internet that enables websites to generate ad revenue for not displaying their ads? where can i sign up for that? it sounds like free money! you'll have to forgive my sarcasm, but i'd really like to hear your explaination for that ridiculous comment you made.
Post by: PIAC on August 20, 2003, 10:35:22 PM
the way i see this little spat is we are customers, PGC is the service provider, as customers we can decide if their service warrents the amount of adds, you have decided that no, it doens't, yet we have decided yes it does. there is no need to flame each other, that wont solve anything. personally the adds dont annoy me, they didn't annoy me before i got firebird, and they sure as hell dont annoy me now i have firebird.
PGC needs the revenue generated from having the adds to pay their server costs, so obviously they arn't going anywhere, especially when they are so adamant in keeping it free (and rightly so, top work lads)
Post by: Grey Ninja on August 21, 2003, 06:21:37 AM
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so grey ninja, you're trying to tell me popup killers don't prevent the ads from loading? really? where do you suppose these ads load then, when you instantaneously close the window these ads are supposed to appear in? do they load in some kind of magic popup heaven and then beam down transmissions to the webserver that tracks these ads? oh wait, you have one of those advanced popup killers that prevents the windows from even opening in the first place? where do you suppose those ads load? in a magical void in the internet that enables websites to generate ad revenue for not displaying their ads? where can i sign up for that? it sounds like free money! you'll have to forgive my sarcasm, but i'd really like to hear your explaination for that ridiculous comment you made.
Your computer downloads the ad, puts in the cache, and then doesn't display it on your screen. What's so bloody hard to figure out? It works the same way that IE works, except it doesn't display the ad on the screen as a final step.
I don't even know why I am continuing to talk to you. You have already proven to me that you are one of the biggest morons that I know, and every word you say afterward just seals the deal.
Post by: snorgasmo on August 21, 2003, 09:49:52 AM
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Originally posted by: PIAC
the way i see this little spat is we are customers, PGC is the service provider, as customers we can decide if their service warrents the amount of adds, you have decided that no, it doens't, yet we have decided yes it does. there is no need to flame each other, that wont solve anything. personally the adds dont annoy me, they didn't annoy me before i got firebird, and they sure as hell dont annoy me now i have firebird.
PGC needs the revenue generated from having the adds to pay their server costs, so obviously they arn't going anywhere, especially when they are so adamant in keeping it free (and rightly so, top work lads)
sure, and as a "customer" i think i should be able to express my concerns to see if anything can be done about them. i was certainly hoping for a better response than "go somewhere else then" .. whatever..
Post by: snorgasmo on August 21, 2003, 10:04:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Your computer downloads the ad, puts in the cache, and then doesn't display it on your screen. What's so bloody hard to figure out? It works the same way that IE works, except it doesn't display the ad on the screen as a final step.
I don't even know why I am continuing to talk to you. You have already proven to me that you are one of the biggest morons that I know, and every word you say afterward just seals the deal.
lies... everyone knows that the files in your cache aren't active on their own. assuming that you are right and that you download these ads regardless of whether their windows are allowed to load or not (which i still fail to believe).. the ad files would just be sitting there in your cache until they are called by the browser. the html in the ad won't be sending data back to the ad tracker. it would just be dead weight. you know what it means to cache a website? it means to save the files so that they're ready to go when you actually USE it instead of downloading it again. since you will never load this particular cached item, it will never send data to the ad tracker, and pgc will never get paid for your particular impression.
the whole point of a popup killer is not only to kill the popup, but also to prevent the impressions from "landing".. the idea is to show these ad servers that popups aren't delivering impressions and to stop using this method of advertising entirely.
notice how i'm capable of constructing a response without name calling? there are no girls to impress here.. stop trying to act so macho.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 21, 2003, 10:29:36 AM
I suggest to everybody annoyed with snorgasmo, stop posting. If you ever convince him to use common sense and get a popup blocker, he will just stay here in the forums and continue to bother people. Let him leave, I say, and let this thread rest in peace.
