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Title: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 12, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Her birth father is Anakin Skywalker and her adoptive father is Senator Bail Organa. I dont know about her other mom but "Queen Amidala" was elected and was not part of a monarchy. So whats this Princess tish about? Was Bail also King? Is Luke secretly a Prince (thereby making Spaceballs far more accurate)? Maybe "Princess" is also an elected title and she keeps the name as homage to her dead planet?*insert shoulder shrug here*
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
My guess is he was both king and a senator.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 12, 2015, 01:21:39 PM
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Not really, they're in completely different contexts. He'd be a king of Alderaan and a senator on the galactic scale. It may just be a largely ceremonial office at that point with no real power, like in modern England, but got elected to the galactic senate outside of that.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Stratos on October 12, 2015, 02:36:55 PM
I feel sure there was a story in the EU that explained this... but that got thrown out with everything else. I'll just go with it being Disney and the "princess" term is disgustingly marketable.
Plus you know you want to hear more dialogue gems like "Excuuuuse me princess!"
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 12, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
OH snap! just watched the end of episode 3 again and when Bail is talking to Captain Antilles (Wedges' father?) he refers to him as "your highness" so I guess Insanolord was right.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 12, 2015, 07:09:27 PM
Dirty aristocracy... they think they're better than us?
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Stratos on October 13, 2015, 12:35:24 AM
I'm pretty sure Lucas confirmed back in the day that the two Antilles' are not related. Though there is nothing stopping JJ from making the connection now.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 13, 2015, 05:36:02 PM
She's a Princess because there was nothing that contradicted that back in 1977. George Lucas just happens to be the right kind of stupid to contradict his own fictional works over 20 years later despite the fact that with fiction you just decide what happens and thus can make anything fit.
In Return of the Jedi Luke asks Leia if she remembers her real mother and she DOES despite her real mother dying ten seconds after her birth in Episode III and her "knowing" her real mother just as long as Luke does. That sure as hell doesn't make any fucking sense but, again, "Lucas is a dumbass" is as good an explanation as any. Leia's title makes tons of sense in comparison to something like that.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 14, 2015, 01:26:54 AM
She's a Princess because there was nothing that contradicted that back in 1977. George Lucas just happens to be the right kind of stupid to contradict his own fictional works over 20 years later despite the fact that with fiction you just decide what happens and thus can make anything fit.
In Return of the Jedi Luke asks Leia if she remembers her real mother and she DOES despite her real mother dying ten seconds after her birth in Episode III and her "knowing" her real mother just as long as Luke does. That sure as hell doesn't make any fucking sense but, again, "Lucas is a dumbass" is as good an explanation as any. Leia's title makes tons of sense in comparison to something like that.
So I'm guessing the "prequels were a mistake, it's nothing but trash".
This was explained to me: Leia has a different type of Force Sensory than Luke, that's why she could sense his danger on Bespin in Empire Strikes Back. She only becomes "aware" of it after she learns her father and brother were both Jedi (i.e.: knowing Luke was safe in Return of the Jedi). It was told that she can detect the feelings of a person better than most cause of her powers but didn't hone them till much later...something I spect we see in The Force Awakens!
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Khushrenada on October 14, 2015, 04:02:43 AM
Deanna Troi rip-off then.
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Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 14, 2015, 03:26:09 PM
She's a Princess because there was nothing that contradicted that back in 1977. George Lucas just happens to be the right kind of stupid to contradict his own fictional works over 20 years later despite the fact that with fiction you just decide what happens and thus can make anything fit.
In Return of the Jedi Luke asks Leia if she remembers her real mother and she DOES despite her real mother dying ten seconds after her birth in Episode III and her "knowing" her real mother just as long as Luke does. That sure as hell doesn't make any fucking sense but, again, "Lucas is a dumbass" is as good an explanation as any. Leia's title makes tons of sense in comparison to something like that.
So I'm guessing the "prequels were a mistake, it's nothing but trash".
This was explained to me: Leia has a different type of Force Sensory than Luke, that's why she could sense his danger on Bespin in Empire Strikes Back. She only becomes "aware" of it after she learns her father and brother were both Jedi (i.e.: knowing Luke was safe in Return of the Jedi). It was told that she can detect the feelings of a person better than most cause of her powers but didn't hone them till much later...something I spect we see in The Force Awakens!
I have heard of that but it is very elaborate explanation for something that in 1983 was easily summed up with "Luke and Leia were separated at birth. Leia was kept with her mother and thus got to know her before she died when Leia was young enough that her memories from then are fuzzy." That's the simple way that anyone would have interpreted that scene when Return of the Jedi came out. This "she has a different type of Force powers" explanation is unnecessarily complicated and is only the sort of thing someone would come up with if they messed up and contradicted their own movie and needed to "fix" their mistake with a retcon. Until now I never even saw the Bespin thing as Leia's powers but Luke using the Force to call out to a friend for help. Who else was he going to call out to? Han's in carbonite, he doesn't know who Lando is at that point, presumably can't use the Force to call out to droids. It was Leia or Chewie.
George Lucas has more or less admitted that he made this stuff up as he went and a lot of writers do that so it's not really anything to hold against him. So Leia is a Princess because that's what he decided when he made Star Wars and it made perfect sense until he tried to fill in the blanks with the prequels. It was his responsibility to make sure that everything fits without resorting to complicated and confusing explanations and he did not do a good job of that. So you can go with whatever explanation he has used or pretend it's 20 years ago when you didn't know much about Leia's parents so you just assumed she was the daughter of a king of some sort.
If we want to get into geeky stuff you figure the title wouldn't come from Queen Amidala because then wouldn't it be common knowledge that she was Anakin Skywalker's kid? Clearly Darth Vader has no idea he has a daughter.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 15, 2015, 01:48:38 PM
I remember from way back (around the time of Return of the Jedi) the story that Vader force-choked Luke and Leia's mother to death in a dark-side rage. This coupled with the the "fact" that apparently the twins were hidden from him (i.e., he didn't know he had a daughter or a son) always made me conclude that Luke and Leia's mom died very soon after giving birth. Even then it never bothered me how Leia could remember her mother. She says it's a very vague memory and I just sort of accepted it as some kind of force-related mystic superpower. With "The Force" around, you can pretty much pull anything you need out of the hat.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Evan_B on October 24, 2015, 09:39:17 PM
The Leia stuff makes less sense the more you try to explain it. Let's not act like Star Wars is high literature, here. Lucas took one look at his original screenplay and said "Princess? She gotta have a Queen momma!" And that was that.
Or, he saw that Luke and Leia's mom was a Senator too and that Bail Organa was a Senator, which implies that Royalty can become intergalactic Senate and justifying Leia's princess status.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: shingi_70 on October 25, 2015, 11:43:02 AM
Princess Leia doesn't refer to Padme (though it still does funnily enough), but the Alderaan is a Monarchy governed by a queen like Naboo. Bail Represented the planet in the Republic/Galatic Senate, but his wife rulled the planet as shown in the princess Leia comic book.
For the non canon actal explanation, Leia was a princess because it was left over from the original The Star Wars/ adventures of Starkiller drafts. In fact Leia was never supposed to be Luke's sister even toward Jedi. Luke always had a sister but originally that was supposed to be a story told after Return.
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Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Stratos on October 28, 2015, 07:57:08 PM
Tell that to William Shatner, who is currently waging a one-man twitter war against Star Wars. LOLs have ensued.
Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 09:00:20 PM
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Title: Re: Wait...Why is she "Princess" Leia?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 29, 2015, 03:25:51 PM
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