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Title: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
So, Terminator 1 & 2 are two of my favorite all-time films.

3 & 4, in spite of owning both of them on DVD and Bluray, I've only seen each once - in theaters on release.

(Side note: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is pretty freaking awesome).

I thought I'd have a marathon and watch all four movies tonight.

But I caught something tonight in the first movie that just... Suspension of Disbelief failing...

End of the movie.  Sarah is crawling under a hydraulic press of some kind.  Half of the Terminator robotic skeleton is crawling after her.

Sarah crawls out the other side, reaches around the corner to a panel of buttons, feels them, says an awesome line, the pushes a button to activate the press and squish the Terminator.

She couldn't see the buttons on the panel to see what they were labeled.  Hell, she shouldn't have even known what the panel was for - she's a waitress, not an employee of this factory.

I've watched this movie several times and I just now really thought of this - so I guess it's not a huge deal... but now that I've noticed it... ugh.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2015, 01:35:45 AM
Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 15, 2015, 02:24:07 AM
the whole "closed loop", time travel  paradox does nothing to you?
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 02:45:30 AM
Naw.  I can live with that. :D
I mean, we don't really know for sure how anything with Time Travel would work.

But the entire "I can't see what these buttons are labeled and I've never used a machine anything like this before, but I know I'm going to press the right button to turn it on and you're terminated!"... that's pretty much understood.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Ceric on March 15, 2015, 06:34:25 AM
Artistic license.
Agents of S.M.A.S.H. had a pretty glaring one where She-Hulk goes I can't read alien.  Than in about 5 minutes know how to run something complicated like a teleporter.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 15, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
If it's a machine like that and you feel a panel with buttons on it, it's not that hard to guess what they do, or at least have a 50/50 guess with stop and go. Chances are the 2 buttons attached do not turn off the lights or turn on the garbage disposal.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 15, 2015, 10:14:08 AM
I just wanna see the origins of Skynet. Not sure if its cannon or not but isn't Robocop the origins of the T-1? 2 reboots and no crossover, somebody dropped the ball.They could of had their own Sci-Fi Movie Universe


(although I don't know of any other franchise that fits into this story...maybe the Matrix)



Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 10:35:53 AM
If it's a machine like that and you feel a panel with buttons on it, it's not that hard to guess what they do, or at least have a 50/50 guess with stop and go. Chances are the 2 buttons attached do not turn off the lights or turn on the garbage disposal.

A.) There were four buttons.
B.) She couldn't see the buttons, just feel them.  They were one on top the other, like

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C.) They weren't attached to the machine, so knowing that they went to the machine instead of, say, turning on flood lights in the building or something, was a reach - but getting the right button the first time and being so sure that she has to say her bad-ass line... come on!

(although I don't know of any other franchise that fits into this story...maybe the Matrix)

I recall the theory that Matrix was the Terminator future being thrown around when the first Matrix movie was out.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 15, 2015, 10:53:20 AM
Ok, 25% chance of being right, sheesh. It would perhaps been.more suspenseful if she pressed the other buttons first and they did not work...but then you don't get the cool line, or you would have to change it to, "By process of elimination, you're terminated."
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 11:07:02 AM
I disagree with those odds.  Again, the buttons weren't on the machine itself.  What were the odds that the panel was even connected to the machine to begin with? :D
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 15, 2015, 11:44:13 AM

I recall the theory that Matrix was the Terminator future being thrown around when the first Matrix movie was out.


Just look this tidbit up:
 
So Terminator and Matrix was written by the same person come to find out, who sued  lawsuit for plagiarism. Or so the legend says.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: azeke on March 15, 2015, 01:17:03 PM
So Terminator and Matrix was written by the same person come to find out, who sued  lawsuit for plagiarism. Or so the legend says.
If this is about Harlan Ellison, he was very lawsuit happy and overall a difficult person to deal with (amazing writer otherwise -- especially brilliant with short stories).

It's not like either of the stories have even a seed or originality. Of course there are going to be scores of stories by the same "savior of humanity" template from Jesus to John Connor to Neo.

Terminator 2 is still the best movie ever made though, pitch perfect in every aspect.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 01:31:41 PM
Pitch Perfect 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_Perfect_2) is still the best movie ever made though, terminator in every aspect.

That quote is much more amusing. ;)

T2 is one of my all-time favorite movies.  I love the fact that so much of this movie was done via puppetry and other practical effects instead of the CGI-heavy handedness of today's movies.

I'd go ape-**** insane if they announced that the new Terminator sequel/reboot/whatever it is was going to use a T2-style mix of techniques instead of full-on CGI.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
That part of the movie never bothered me. If I remember correctly that panel was dangling from a cord that had fallen earlier in the scene so there is a chance she already had seen it from the other angle perhaps.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 08:11:33 PM
That part of the movie never bothered me. If I remember correctly that panel was dangling from a cord that had fallen earlier in the scene so there is a chance she already had seen it from the other angle perhaps.

It wasn't dangling, it was attached.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2015, 08:14:05 PM
I must be remembering wrong.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2015, 08:17:43 PM
I think you're thinking of when she operates equipment at the end of T2.  That's a dangling control.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: that Baby guy on March 15, 2015, 08:33:51 PM
UncleBob, in the super secret menu on the Mega Terminated Special Edition of Terminator, they address this very issue. I can't remember if it was that Sarah Conner once had a job in the factory as the button-presser, and that's actually why she went there, kind of like how Kevin McCallister went to his Aunt and Uncle's place in New York in Home Alone 2, or if it was that she had scoped the place out in a hyper-deleted scene and learned what all the buttons did beforehand.

One or the other. Probably.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2015, 09:38:48 PM
Too bad George Lucas and James Cameron are not good friends, otherwise he could just go back and photoshop the words PRESS THIS on the side so she knows which one to press ahead of time. But once you go down the dark path of editing your films to "fix" your previous mistakes forever will it dominate your destiny.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
Until you sell your film rights to Disney. Then all hope is lost.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
[quote authorlink=topic=46779.msg865669#msg865669 date=1426470895]
 can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?
 
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Yes you can. There are plenty of 30 year old, and much older, movies I have yet to see.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 15, 2015, 11:15:29 PM
In the THX remaster, T-800 presses the button first.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Wah on March 17, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
You guys r going to hate me...
I know it only has arnie for one scene, but i think 4 is better than 3.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 17, 2015, 12:37:09 AM
You guys r going to hate me...
I know it only has arnie for one scene, but i think 4 is better than 3.


That's nothing, I like 3 better than 2.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: King of Twitch on March 17, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
What do you yall think of 4? It was dark and depressing, I hated it for a lot of reasons but did it have to be so dreary and gray/brown and serious?
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 17, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
1 & 2 are awesome.

3 was a good action movie, with lots of explosions and crazy fight scenes, but took out the whole "caring about the characters" thing that made 1 & 2 so good.

4 was... interesting.  As a movie, I enjoy watching it more than 3.  As a Terminator movie... I just don't know.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 17, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
I am opposite, I like 1 because it is the first and introduces the world so it gets a pass for being new. I enjoy 2 but what I dislike about and prefer 3 is the action and the Terminator stuff just seems more sci-fi than 1 or 2. They were good action movies but 3 was a good science fiction movie. 4 was depressing and dreary but I enjoyed that it showed more of the future world. What I hated about it was they through all the continuity out the window and said **** it lets just make the movie our way and pretend the other 3 never happened.

Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 17, 2015, 06:12:33 PM
Salvation is much better than Rise of the Machines, it's not even close.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Wah on March 17, 2015, 08:26:43 PM
Only thing like I said that I didn't like about salvation is that arnie is only in one scene, over then that I love it.
No wimpy Connor!

also check this out the Terminator is not as good as you think!
IT'S TIME FOR A DEATH BATTLE!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLjlnoAT_ns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLjlnoAT_ns)
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 18, 2015, 10:22:07 PM
I thought Salvation was awesome and Rise of the Machines was crap save for the truck scene. The entire movie felt unnecessary, like those filler Naruto episodes prior to Shippuden!
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: nickmitch on March 18, 2015, 10:40:52 PM
can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?
 

I think that's past the statute of limitations on spoilers.


Yes you can. There are plenty of 30 year old, and much older, movies I have yet to see.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 18, 2015, 11:47:13 PM
I need to read the fine print to believe that, I am pretty sure it states somewhere that you should always use spoilers as a precaution. The only exceptions are Disney films because everybody alive has seen those, and foreign films because, who cares.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 18, 2015, 11:57:59 PM
I do not understand the hate for Terminator: Salvation.  I thought it was an inspired and great idea.  To me, it was like telling the story what was happening in the future that led up to the time travel.

So you have this awesome future story, Robots vs. humans, and you see the humans are losing and they need a leader to rise.  But, also...it points to Terminators about to send their first robot to the past.  To me this was fresh and cool.

Then the idea of a robot that believes he is human...and the robots are trying to make a new type of Terminator before settling on more of a cyborg killing machine was fun. 

Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: UncleBob on March 19, 2015, 12:56:16 AM
Meh.  The thing about Terminator is that it isn't about the future war - it's always about preventing it.

Sure, you can mix up the formula and *make* it about the future war, but what made the first and second movies succeed was the triumph of the human spirit over technology gone mad.  Taking out the unstoppable killing machine with pure gumption.  You lose all that in Salvation.  There's all this crazy future technology and humans flying around in jets and hanging out in nuclear subs.

Also, the scenes of poverty and wartime desolation in 1 & 2 just seem totally mis-matched with the world we were shown in Salvation.  That was off-putting.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: famicomplicated on March 19, 2015, 03:36:05 AM
T2 is one of my fave movies ever, next to Matrix 1.


I do like T1, but is hasn't aged as well as T2.


T3 was painful to watch, it's barely a good action movie, never mind Terminator movie. I have deleted it from my memory.


T4 was a decent reboot attempt, but ultimately the story was all over the place and kind of pointless in the overall scheme of things. But waaaay better than T3 of course.


T5 looks to be more T4, with hints of T2 and Sarah Connor Chronicles (which I also really liked).


Also, can we have more S.C.C please?
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 19, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
T1 is awesome.

T2 is even better but it contradicts the first film.  The first film has the time loop where the action of going back in time seems to create the very future they're trying to prevent in the first place.  T2 does away with that and the heroes seem perfectly capable of preventing judgement day.  Uh huh.  And if judgement day never happens then how does Kyle Reese go back in time to knock up Sarah Connor in the first place?  Of course the whole time loop is dumb anyway.  Despite contradicting the first movie, T2's plot makes WAY more sense.  Well they're not the first action movies to be utterly stupid when you think about them for five seconds so I really shouldn't be hard on them.  They're two of the best action films I've ever seen.

T3 was pretty forgettable.  At the time it stood out simply because it was a very 90's style R-rated action movie made in the 00's.  After Columbine it was like action movies were dead.  No one seemed to be making them so when T3 came out I was like "YEAH!  Haven't seen a movie like this for a while."  But that novelty wore off and I have no interest in seeing the film again.  It's like the Expendables.  Fun for a quick return to action movies of old but not a good movie and not one that compares well to the classics of the 80's and 90's.

I haven't seen T4.  It's PG-13.  REAL action movies are rated R.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 19, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
Also, can we have more S.C.C please?
Here you go (http://scc-csc.gc.ca/home-accueil/index-eng.aspx). All you can handle!
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 19, 2015, 08:15:56 PM
T1 is awesome.

T3 was pretty forgettable.  At the time it stood out simply because it was a very 90's style R-rated action movie made in the 00's.  After Columbine it was like action movies were dead.  No one seemed to be making them so when T3 came out I was like "YEAH!  Haven't seen a movie like this for a while."  But that novelty wore off and I have no interest in seeing the film again.  It's like the Expendables.  Fun for a quick return to action movies of old but not a good movie and not one that compares well to the classics of the 80's and 90's.

I haven't seen T4.  It's PG-13.  REAL action movies are rated R.

There is an unrated cut of Salvation on the Blu Ray, I watched both and to be honest I can't remember what was different. I think what you described about 2 and 3 is why I actually like 3, it just shows that no matter what they do they end up creating the future they are trying to prevent. Full disclosure I used to have a crush on whatshername from when she did that TV show on MTV. I am sure that at the time that played a hand in my liking it then.

I think I also enjoyed it because it was updated and more modern the other two are just really dated, hell T1 was dated when T2 came out. Those movies didn't age well at all.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 19, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
Pretty sure the unrated shows boobs - because violence is A-ok, but boobies are a no-no.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: nickmitch on March 19, 2015, 10:04:49 PM
It's something about nipples.
Title: Re: Terminator is a lie... (some T1 spoilers... can you spoil a 30-year-old movie?)
Post by: Wah on March 19, 2015, 10:51:28 PM
T2 is one of my fave movies ever, next to Matrix 1.


I do like T1, but is hasn't aged as well as T2.


T3 was painful to watch, it's barely a good action movie, never mind Terminator movie. I have deleted it from my memory.
ew matrix (watch nostaglia critic...)

T4 was a decent reboot attempt, but ultimately the story was all over the place and kind of pointless in the overall scheme of things. But waaaay better than T3 of course.


T5 looks to be more T4, with hints of T2 and Sarah Connor Chronicles (which I also really liked).


Also, can we have more S.C.C please?