Post by: Epitaph on July 02, 2003, 06:49:42 PM
p.s. Plz moderator i think this is allowed because i didn't explain how its being pirated i just say it is without a mod and without a link if it is breaking the rules il remove or lock it thx. or you do it for me.
Post by: Uglydot on July 02, 2003, 07:30:39 PM
Post by: Big_Pimp on July 02, 2003, 08:08:23 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 02, 2003, 09:32:38 PM
MS isn't making money on Xbox anyway. They continue despite of the fact.
The Penny Arcade comic about this sums up my feelings.
Post by: DRJ on July 03, 2003, 08:20:10 AM
Anyways it was M$ idea to put a HD in their system, what did they think people would do with it?
Post by: Uglydot on July 03, 2003, 10:42:24 AM
Post by: Pale on July 03, 2003, 11:26:35 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on July 03, 2003, 12:09:07 PM
Post by: Lecter on July 03, 2003, 05:09:12 PM
Post by: Pale on July 03, 2003, 06:26:09 PM
Post by: Epitaph on July 03, 2003, 07:12:36 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 03, 2003, 08:09:48 PM
Post by: Uglydot on July 04, 2003, 07:08:38 AM
Post by: aoi tsuki on July 04, 2003, 09:28:06 AM
i will agree that it's hurting MS. Last i checked they were still eating hardware costs, so if you buy an Xbox and pirate all your games, they're losing money. There's always hopes of accessory sales, but that's nothing compared to game sales.
Post by: Oldskool on July 04, 2003, 01:54:03 PM
Post by: Drexion on July 05, 2003, 05:35:50 AM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
blah blah blah, you are a linux pro...blah blah blah, 5 minutes. Yeah, i know linux too, but most of the people that play xboxes wouldn't have the slightest idea. I don't care how easy you "say" it is...
Thats the whole point. The crackers are making it easier, so that even those not in the know can enjoy the illegal benefits.
I have 2 friends with modded xboxes, and they both each have about 100 illegal games, which they paid like 5bucks each for. And they are NOT guru's or whatever when it comes to computing.
It doesnt matter if this new discovery is difficult to learn not or not - there are people who will make it easy for the masses, for various reasons.
Post by: yellowfellow on July 05, 2003, 08:03:49 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 05, 2003, 09:20:49 AM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Pirating didn't kill the Dreamcast- Sony's PS2 hype killed the Dreamcast, that and general knowledge of Sega being in the crapper. Only hardcore gaming nerds who have nothing better to do pirated Dreamcast games- NOBODY I know owns a pirated Dreamcast game. Most people who owned a Dreamcast didn't care enough about buying games to actually pirate them, however long it took to do it. Stop dillusioning youselves.
Wow, my friend is definitely not a hardcore gamer or even a nerd, but he still has some pirated games that he bought for $5. Just admit you were wrong....the dreamcast stop producing games becuase they thought it was pointless, which it was. That is what stopped sales, not PS2 hype.
Yes I'm sure it will be easy to crack the xbox now that they know how to run foriegn objects on the hard drive. I expect a release of a boot disk or a one time crack that let's you play copied games without use of a bootdisk. Also, since they are able to run Linux, they could probably just rip games on to the hardrive.
can't wait....
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 05, 2003, 10:00:10 AM
"the dreamcast stop producing games becuase they thought it was pointless, which it was. "
Developers stopped making Dreamcasr games because they weren't selling because NO ONE OWNED A DREAMCAST. Sony's PS2 hype killed the Dreamcast- barely antyone bought a Dreamcast because they were waiting for a PS2, and THAT'S why the Dreamcast failed, not beause of a collection of gaming nerds without girlfriends who think they're being rebels by burning games instead of buying them. Face facts- pirating did not kill the Dreamcast. It may have been a problem, but it's not what was the ultimate cause of the Dreamcast's failure and Sega's end as a console maker. When did you guys get this crap in your heads?
Look, if pirating really does make consoles die, why is the PSX the best selling home console of all time when it was easy as hell to pirate games on it? Doesn't make sense, does it?
Post by: Uglydot on July 05, 2003, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 05, 2003, 01:38:35 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 05, 2003, 02:32:06 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on July 05, 2003, 03:35:12 PM
Love how nintendo fanboys think this as positive when nintendo themselves consider this bad.
Considering how much nintendo is losing with privating done on the xbox (you can private N64, SNES, and of course GBA).
And considering how small these files are, you can private 100's of them within no-time.
It's bad for everyone.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 05, 2003, 05:27:22 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on July 05, 2003, 05:57:19 PM
Which games do you think get privated faster, Zelda or some game like Rayman 3 for example? You see plenty of SM64 Roms but you really don't see any Superman 64 roms :0.
Also if you ever recalled Tribes? There was more people playing (nearly 2x) then actual copies sold.
Yeah, privating has always been around since freaking 5 1/4 floppies but it's growing (mostly because of the widespread of info thanks to the net).
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 05, 2003, 06:03:31 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 05, 2003, 07:59:16 PM
Pirating is getting more and more popular, as more people spend more time on the computer, more (heh
). You may come back and say, that more protection will arise and slow pirating down. That may be true, but who ever devises a code.....there is always someone or thing that can crack it. So even though companies are losing barely any money according to you, in the near future pirating will be a big deal and will "bring down the industry".
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 05, 2003, 08:38:10 PM
Post by: DRJ on July 05, 2003, 09:11:54 PM
There will always be some piracy, but it wont stop the gaming industry. Look at how much piracy goes on in the music industry and they are still making money.
Saying that piracy will end the gaming industry or put any one company out of business is like saying that a department store will go out of business because of shop lifting. Does it cut into profits, yes. But it is a very small amount.
And for those people that think M$ is doomed, look at how many pirated copies of Windows and MS Office are out there. Does this cost M$ money, yes. Do they still have 40 billion in the bank, yes. So I think it is safe to say that M$ will be here to stay for as long as they want.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 05, 2003, 11:54:52 PM
Some hardcore CS players said my HL CD was the first (original HL CD) they've ever seen. They'd been playing for more than a year back then...
People call me weird for paying money for games instead of warezing 'em!
Post by: Ymeegod on July 06, 2003, 05:36:11 AM
Want better games for the future, buy them now and support the developers/publishers. They have families too.
Post by: Cooolcorey on July 06, 2003, 08:47:49 PM
Yes piracy is a problem. No Piracy isn't as big of a problem as the companies lead you to believe.
Post by: Epitaph on July 06, 2003, 10:56:15 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 07, 2003, 08:50:18 AM
Post by: nonjagged on July 07, 2003, 09:48:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Epitaph
Im not gonna link or tell you how its done but some fellows have found a exploit with games from xbox that allow hacking the consol without a modchip. This exploit was released after microsoft refused to comply to the people that found it and allow linux to run on xbox. Now it is on the same path as the dreamcast where no one will buy games and burn all of em. What do you think, does microsoft now have a chance, now that their consol is so easily pirated.
p.s. Plz moderator i think this is allowed because i didn't explain how its being pirated i just say it is without a mod and without a link if it is breaking the rules il remove or lock it thx. or you do it for me.
This news is old and it was M$ intention in the first place. In my opinion they need underground movement buying Xbox's, theyre not particularily fussed about Linux etc as they need all the sales they can which in turn creates a userbase which they then can target for next-gen Xbox's.
M$ has received numerous letters to co-operate with the hackers to allow development of an officially Licensed Linux O/S.
Currently you can play MAME on your Xbox and even Nintendo ROMs have been available for a while even since Dreamcast which M$ suspiciously developed the O/S for, (now you know why Nintendo has no respect for M$), what Ive been searching on the net the past 2 hours is for something simular to a VGA adapter for the Xbox but not for hooking up an Xbox to Computer Screen but to an Arcade Machine Monitor.
I havent had much success looking for an RGB adapter but I suppose theyre arent any developed yet.
Unless someone has any links?
PS even to this day Nintendo ROMs available on all 3 x M$ platforms (PC, DC, Xbox), have not killed Nintendo. Amazing.
Post by: Lecter on July 07, 2003, 11:59:30 AM
Post by: Epitaph on July 07, 2003, 03:43:29 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 07, 2003, 07:16:05 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 08, 2003, 02:08:40 AM
Pirating may be easy to those who follow the scene, but the majority of people who play games dont have a clue about it, I would bet that most people dont even realize that console games can be pirated.
Even the pirating of music isnt as bad as the music industry would have us believe, hell I dont personally know 5 people in my age bracket who steal music. I honestly believe the numbers the media provides us with have been seriously doctored.
Post by: Mario on July 08, 2003, 02:37:54 AM
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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
I have been console gaming for 20 years now and have not seen one person who owns a pirated "console" game, not a single one on all three consoles.
Pirating may be easy to those who follow the scene, but the majority of people who play games dont have a clue about it, I would bet that most people dont even realize that console games can be pirated.
Even the pirating of music isnt as bad as the music industry would have us believe, hell I dont personally know 5 people in my age bracket who steal music. I honestly believe the numbers the media provides us with have been seriously doctored.
Good for you. I actually only know a few people who actually buy music, and a CRAP LOAD of people who download it. And also, EVERYONE i know with a PSX (including myself
) has pirated software on it, and has a "chip" in it. You're kidding yourself if you think piracy isnt a big deal, ffs.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 08, 2003, 04:47:04 AM
EXACTLY- that's what I've been trying to say all this time, much to no avail. Thanks for putting it in simpler words.
Post by: nonjagged on July 08, 2003, 07:35:07 AM
I have yet to meet a gamer who hasnt modded their PSX.
Also the majority of people who play games and dont have a clue about pirating dont exist in reality?
As far as Im aware just about every gamer in school knows how to get pirate games from within schools (racket) and just about every teen gamer knows they can just look in the right places to buy ALREADY copied games from pirate distributors whether they be small or big time distributors.
They can be found in most non-commercial forums, local newspapers, schools, shops etc.
Yeah most dont have a clue how to burn but more than you know or care to investigate have a clue where to obtain.
Bartering copied games is way bigger than you will ever know, because there are more gamers that cant afford their accumulated platform libraries out there than there are gamers who can afford to pay full/retail.
Closing your eyes to piracy does not make it go away. Unless your in a territory that somehow lives in its own Twilight Zone.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 08, 2003, 08:22:14 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 08, 2003, 09:31:00 AM
Can PS and DC be pirated, yes. I have never pirated a console game (as for anything else...) and if it involves opening the console to mod it, then forget it. You can save XBox games to the HD with some kind of mod, I dunno, but who cares. oooh I have 200 burned pirated games for DC. They all suck, and I never play all of them, but I have them. Who cares.
If I could copy every single XBox and GCN and PS2 game I wouldnt bother. I dont have time to play all of them anyway, so it would be a waste of time and money to even bother. Pirating does hurt companies, but it is only a small loss compared to what they make. Pirating will never bring down any company. Millions of songs are downloaded every day (not by me of course
) and the music industry is still rolling in money. Another thing to realise is hypothetically speaking of course, lets say that I download some music, well I didnt buy CDs before they could be downloaded, I dont own a single one. So the music industry isnt losing my money, 'cause they never had it. Same thing with games, the majority of people who make copies wouldnt buy all those games if they had too anyways, and the people that buy games are not going to stop just because there is some way to make copies. What percentage of games are sold for kids <18? I dunno, but it is a lot for sure. Do you think their parents are going to make them pirated copies? probably not. Can we close this thread now? the stupidiy if killing me.
I think I said this before a few pages back. There are millions of copies of Windows and Office froating around and M$ has 40 billion in the bank. Poor babies.
Post by: Uglydot on July 10, 2003, 05:44:19 AM
Anyhow, yeah, piracy puts a dent in things, but most poeple would never buy what they pirated. Short and sweet. Thing is, it gives companies a reason to charge more. They have a scapegoat for raising prices.
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 10, 2003, 06:07:31 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 10, 2003, 06:49:53 AM
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people are a bit edgy paying $50 right now
Exactly. If a game comes out that I really like I will buy it for $50. If the prices go up I would just be very picky about what games I will buy right away. I would probably wind up waiting a few months to save some money and buy them either used, or discounted.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2003, 10:39:04 PM
Post by: nonjagged on July 12, 2003, 08:13:03 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Well, yesterday I witnessed a salesman in a major retailer discussing with a customer what ways there are to pirate XBox games and how to obtain Modchips cheap, etc. Now if that isn't a hint that pirating is close to mainstream...
Some ppl chose to ignore it or pretend it doesnt exist.
Schoolies have at one stage or another visited a gaming forum board "accidently" while not being allowed to view p0rn sites while at school, and youd be surprised how many forums actually have topics on mods and which one to get etc.
But anyways,
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchnews.asp?newsid=86569
Anyone want to start speculation on what the next GCN will be called? Not the codename but the actual official name since M$ has the dodgy Xenon rumors floating. Should GCN2 be called Wizball?
Here mine: NES +
because in my opinion I think it will have built-in multiple slots for the GBA SP successor software, USB, etc
It will be the most evolved Nintendo Entertainment System. It could also be called NEC (console) because NEC are working together on it.
And the console should be codenamed: Aran's Undies
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2003, 12:43:06 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 13, 2003, 04:47:42 AM
Nintendo MEGATON
Post by: Ymeegod on July 15, 2003, 07:53:58 PM
Wouldn't that suit MS more though
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