Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 18, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
Title: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 18, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
(Would it be a step back?)
Unless they are revealing some new hardware I'm going to say yes. For Nintendo, Treehouse Live and the Digital event were some off the only things Nintendo has absolutely nailed over the last 5 years. I hope this is the wave of the future and not a one off.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 18, 2015, 07:54:20 AM
There's no reason they couldn't do a traditional press conference and then still do all the online content afterward. There's sometning to be said for the spectacle of the press conference.
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Post by: Adrock on February 18, 2015, 08:13:12 AM
Unless Nintendo does both, I'd say going back to a traditional press conference is a step backward. I like the Nintendo Direct. It's all the information I want and very little to no fluff. Sure, they have some short skits, but I'll take them over the technical difficulties and rambling mess of regular press conferences where companies often mirror kiss on stage over their sales data. Great if you want to hear that stuff, but I just want to see/hear about the games.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 18, 2015, 08:20:25 AM
Nintendo usually doesn't like to show things that are more than a year out at E3, and that time period following this year's show looks to be pretty damn impressive for the Wii U. I think for that reason it makes sense to blow the doors off the place, with a conference and the Treehouse Live stuff. Nintendo tends to get credit for "winning" E3 anytime they actually come prepared, and barring something awful they're definitely set up for that this year.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 18, 2015, 09:19:32 AM
Now that I think about it, I don't need a press conference or digital event. Gimme Treehouse Live and another Smash and Splatoon Tourney and I'm good. If its budget constraints that only allow for X amount of dollars of E3, I want the most gameplay stuffs for the buck. They'll have a press 2016 for sure when they announce whatever new system /handheld thingy.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Ian Sane on February 18, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
I think having no "real" conference at E3 makes Nintendo look small time. Like they don't matter enough to get a press conference at E3 anymore. Like E3 only allows those for the companies that matter. Nintendo stopped doing E3 conferences around the same time the incredibly unsuccessful Wii U came out. That's a connection I don't think Nintendo should want people to make. A non-Nintendo gamer that otherwise pays attention to E3 may assume that the Wii U has put Nintendo in such peril that they no longer show up to the event.
Or let's make it simple. Nintendo has not been doing so well in the last few years. "Skipping E3" is something they've only recently started doing. While it's debatable if it has negatively impacted them, clearly it isn't HELPING in any way and their old approach wasn't hurting them so why not go back? Wii U era Nintendo is a disaster. Ideas that originated in this era, like "skipping E3", should be soundly rejected as the people who thought of them clearly have no idea what they're doing.
Nintendo Directs are cool but they're preaching to the choir. Nintendo needs people outside their ever shrinking fanbase to care about them and avoiding major public events like E3 is not the way to do that.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 18, 2015, 03:47:56 PM
I actually think the way Nintendo did things last year probably had a greater reach than the old press conferences. They were putting out non-stop video content the entire show, which is pretty awesome unless you're actually at E3 trying to cover it, in which case it sucks. I still think the best approach would be to do both, though.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 18, 2015, 03:58:21 PM
A non-Nintendo gamer that otherwise pays attention to E3
I'm not sure this is a real thing.
Last year's E3 was Nintendo's best showing at the conference in a very long time and that sentiment was echoed across most of the gaming world and not just "us". I guess it would be fine if they have a traditional presser but not at the expense of the treehouse. I bring this up because there is this article (link goes here) that states the reason Nintendo went that route last year was to save money. It cost couple of million dollars to put on E3 for Nintendo (who knew?) and they had to slash some of the fluff.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 18, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
People talk about anti-Nintendo sentiment in the media, but if you look back, pretty much every E3 where they actually brought their A game they were unanimously declared the winner. If the games are there, it doesn't matter if it's a live press conference or internet streams.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Adrock on February 18, 2015, 04:07:22 PM
Based on the floor layout, Nintendo occupied a larger area than Sony. That said, I don't see how anyone could reasonably say not having a traditional press conference made Nintendo look small time. That isn't even taking into account all the Treehouse stuff that runs over the course of E3 and the smaller events Nintendo has after the first day or E3. Last year, Sakurai revealed Pac-Man in Super Smash Bros. then Nintendo showed off Code Name S.T.E.A.M.
And Nintendo still addresses the press and other industry people in a closed meeting. Nintendo just took the spectacle of the traditional press conferences and focused that into the Nintendo E3 Digital Event then took all the boring crap, crammed a bunch of people into a room, and talked at them for a while, probably with a PowerPoint presentation. Then, it's business as usual where all the attendees go to the actual show and demo the games.
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Post by: Soren on February 18, 2015, 04:09:18 PM
If the Treehouse Live streams continue then everything will be good.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Mop it up on February 18, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
I think what they do now is better for fans, but having one would be better for their image.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Phil on February 18, 2015, 06:37:41 PM
I didn't have to see journalists be unable to jump on a Goomba in Super Mario 3D World like at E3 two years ago. Instead, I got to see people who knew what they were doing show me the games. None of the personalities were annoying, either, unlike many game journalists and YouTube people.
Plus, it gave fans an all-access pass to E3 which was fantastic.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Shaymin on February 18, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
Only if Reggie shoots eye lasers that vaporize a writer from Polygon like last year.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 18, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
My frothing for a full Zelda U Treehouse blowout is large.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: azeke on February 18, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
Hmm...
40 minute conference with half of it executives reporting sales figures and market diagrams and the other half with them trying to show the game on a stage?..
Or multiple 8 hour live streams with likable (and most importantly REAL) people just playing videogames and showing cool stuff?
Choices, choices...
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 18, 2015, 11:12:47 PM
40 minute conference with half of it executives reporting sales figures and market diagrams and the other half with them trying to show the game on a stage?..
Or multiple 8 hour live streams with likable (and most importantly REAL) people just playing videogames and showing cool stuff?
Choices, choices...
Or Nintendo could just do both: do the big stage show for the press & people at home (like me) who enjoy a good E3 stage show, and then follow it up with Treehouse live streams I'll never have time to watch because during E3 there are far more and far better things I could be watching or doing.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: azeke on February 18, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
Or Nintendo could just do both: do the big stage show for the press & people at home (like me) who enjoy a good E3 stage show
Good thing i am not press and don't give a single **** what they think.
And don't even try to pretend that you even begun to start to care about Kotaku/Polygon and other similar rag sites. These guys get games for free -- boo hoo they should be catered for even more!
Big presentations are 90% cringe. If it's not sales talk, it's pathetic attempts to squeeze out applauds from paid up audience. Or it's just complete debris that is so bad it gets even funny (Konami).
Unless of course you actively enjoy seeing sales talks and stupid **** like that, then i couldn't be even further from understanding your preferences.
How about you save me 40 minutes of embarrassment and get to the goods right away?
You have 30-40 minute long Direct with everything compressed if you are not committed to the hobby you spend thousands of dollars every year to eek out a paid leave for E3 week.
Trailers are the most important thing about these stupid presentations anyway. E3 Direct is just that -- trailer, after trailer, after trailer, after trailer.
And if you care for more you have livestreams that will provide the best coverage of E3 you will ever have.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 12:16:41 AM
Or Nintendo could just do both: do the big stage show for the press & people at home (like me) who enjoy a good E3 stage show
Good thing i am not press and don't give a single **** what they think.
And don't even try to pretend that you even begun to start to care about Kotaku/Polygon and other similar rag sites. These guys get games for free -- boo hoo they should be catered for even more!
Big presentations are 90% cringe. If it's not sales talk, it's pathetic attempts to squeeze out applauds from paid up audience. Or it's just complete debris that is so bad it gets even funny (Konami).
Unless of course you actively enjoy seeing sales talks and stupid **** like that, then i couldn't be even further from understanding your preferences.
How about you save me 40 minutes of embarrassment and get to the goods right away?
You have 30-40 minute long Direct with everything compressed if you are not committed to the hobby you spend thousands of dollars every year to eek out a paid leave for E3 week.
Trailers are the most important thing about these stupid presentations anyway. E3 Direct is just that -- trailer, after trailer, after trailer, after trailer.
And if you care for more you have livestreams that will provide the best coverage of E3 you will ever have.
I find the Directs incredibly boring, and if Iwata's involved also incredibly hard to listen to due to his broken English. I enjoy a degree of theatricality, of grandeur to these proceedings. I enjoy the build-up and anticipation, and yes I also enjoy seeing things not go according to plan. By comparison, the Directs are pre-packaged and incredibly dry information dumps. There's value in that and you all remember that I said last year that Nintendo's E3 Direct was excellent, but when it comes to E3 I prefer the drama of the big stage and the occasional live demos. Also, nothing says you can play with the big boys of the gaming industry quite like an E3 press conference. When we have THREE E3 conferences this year (Sony, Microsoft, & Bethesda) and Nintendo has their dinky little latency-ladden Direct in the corner, it's easy to perceive that Nintendo doesn't matter anymore.
We get 1-2 dozen by-the-numbers, no-surprises, complete-with-Happy-Meal-box Directs a year. All I ask for is 1 day a year where those of us who enjoy it can just bask in the drama & excitement of a proper E3 press conference. We can have the best of both worlds here and make everyone happy.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 19, 2015, 12:26:03 AM
Or Nintendo could just do both: do the big stage show for the press & people at home (like me) who enjoy a good E3 stage show
Good thing i am not press and don't give a single **** what they think.
And don't even try to pretend that you even begun to start to care about Kotaku/Polygon and other similar rag sites. These guys get games for free -- boo hoo they should be catered for even more!
Big presentations are 90% cringe. If it's not sales talk, it's pathetic attempts to squeeze out applauds from paid up audience. Or it's just complete debris that is so bad it gets even funny (Konami).
Unless of course you actively enjoy seeing sales talks and stupid **** like that, then i couldn't be even further from understanding your preferences.
How about you save me 40 minutes of embarrassment and get to the goods right away?
You have 30-40 minute long Direct with everything compressed if you are not committed to the hobby you spend thousands of dollars every year to eek out a paid leave for E3 week.
Trailers are the most important thing about these stupid presentations anyway. E3 Direct is just that -- trailer, after trailer, after trailer, after trailer.
And if you care for more you have livestreams that will provide the best coverage of E3 you will ever have.
I find the Directs incredibly boring, and if Iwata's involved also incredibly hard to listen to due to his broken English. I enjoy a degree of theatricality, of grandeur to these proceedings. I enjoy the build-up and anticipation, and yes I also enjoy seeing things not go according to plan. By comparison, the Directs are pre-packaged and incredibly dry information dumps. There's value in that and you all remember that I said last year that Nintendo's E3 Direct was excellent, but when it comes to E3 I prefer the drama of the big stage and the occasional live demos. Also, nothing says you can play with the big boys of the gaming industry quite like an E3 press conference. When we have THREE E3 conferences this year (Sony, Microsoft, & Bethesda) and Nintendo has their dinky little latency-ladden Direct in the corner, it's easy to perceive that Nintendo doesn't matter anymore.
We get 1-2 dozen by-the-numbers, no-surprises, complete-with-Happy-Meal-box Directs a year. All I ask for is 1 day a year where those of us who enjoy it can just bask in the drama & excitement of a proper E3 press conference. We can have the best of both worlds here and make everyone happy.
That is debatable though, seriously the days where Nintendo tried to make everyone happy are long gone, they will do whatever they want no matter how dumb it is there will be those who still enjoy it because they will never say anything bad about Nintendo because they are too emotionally invested in this company.
I used to be that way then I got my hands on a Wii and learned the hard way this company really doesn't treat their fans right anymore.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 12:29:20 AM
The thing is, I don't think Nintendo's approaching E3 a bad way. Clearly the Direct format has worked well for them, and the Treehouse format was a stroke of genius that Sony was happy to copy when they did their PlayStation Experience last year. I'd just like the full stage show along with what they already did last year. It's E3: the biggest, loudest display of gaming awesomeness of the year. I'd like to see Nintendo re-take their place there.
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Post by: azeke on February 19, 2015, 12:35:27 AM
I will take any Direct (even if i don't care about game in question, like Wii Fit Direct) over any E3 presentation from either Sony or Microsoft in the last i dunno 10 years.
Last time they spent what? 30 minutes on superhero TV series?.. Explain to me why i should spend my precious time on that crap (though i actually do plan to read Bendis' comic book sometime) instead of watching actual gameplay footage of a VIDEOGAME?
I am an IT specialist -- i PREFER my information concise, short, right to the point.
Leave fluff to shallow people, leave them their Oscars, Grammies and reality shows.
Not even touching Microsoft conference -- it was beyond awful.
and if Iwata's involved also incredibly hard to listen to due to his broken English.
I find people who instead of appreciating that CEO wants to be as direct to his consumers as possible, take offense to his accent suspiciously close to racists.
This also becomes ironic when people in question have let's say -- less than stellar speaking voice themselves.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 01:10:40 AM
I find people who instead of appreciating that CEO wants to be as direct to his consumers as possible, take offense to his accent suspiciously close to racists.
This also becomes ironic when people in question have let's say -- less than stellar speaking voice themselves.
1. If you have an issue with any of the speaking voices on our podcast, you are always welcome to leave feedback at nintendofreeradio@gmail.com, or in the General Discussion threads for any of our podcasts. But I don't have to worry about that, because you never do.
2. This is America, a majority English-speaking territory. If you're going to put someone before an English-speaking audience to deliver a speech, use a native English-speaking person. Not only does it dramatically speed-up your presentation because you can say more than 1 word every 2 seconds, but it also allows for better cadence and flow of information. I don't care about Iwata's goddamn accent. I care that it takes him 5 minutes to deliver a 2 minute speech badly because he's not a native English speaker. And it's OK that he's not. That's why we have Reggie and Bill Trinnen to do that for him.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2015, 01:50:45 AM
1. If you have an issue with any of the speaking voices on our podcast, you are always welcome to leave feedback at nintendofreeradio@gmail.com, or in the General Discussion threads for any of our podcasts. But I don't have to worry about that, because you never do.
*gasp* So, if I write in enough complaining about your voice, you'll take yourself off the air? Time to start up the grassroots campaign to make it happen. Finally, Broodwars and fun can be used in the same sentence.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 02:15:56 AM
1. If you have an issue with any of the speaking voices on our podcast, you are always welcome to leave feedback at nintendofreeradio@gmail.com, or in the General Discussion threads for any of our podcasts. But I don't have to worry about that, because you never do.
*gasp* So, if I write in enough complaining about your voice, you'll take yourself off the air? Time to start up the grassroots campaign to make it happen. Finally, Broodwars and fun can be used in the same sentence.
Actually listen to our shows and write-in, and I'll entertain the notion of actually caring about what you think, which is more than I do right now. From where I stand, if I'm putting myself out there twice a month for 3 hours at a time (plus editing time, which no one who hasn't done it really appreciates) and I don't hear from someone who claims to listen to the show, I question what use you are to me.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Soren on February 19, 2015, 02:59:44 AM
I agree. Remember all the time Iwata wasted by talking during last year's E3 Digital Event?
Oh that's right he didn't utter a single word during the entire presentation.
And yet you want a live press conference where he'll inevitably make an appearance and talk about stuff and say Please Understand and all that other meme-worthy stuff. And we'll sorta maybe-not-really-wink-wink make fun of his accent, because look at that funny Japanese old man we all want fired on stage with his ill-fitting suits.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 03:02:35 AM
Hey remember that time I talked about how Iwata didn't utter a single word during the E3 Digital Event, the video presentation that aired before the start of E3, in which he appeared in the Smash Amiibo reveal sketch with Reggie?
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 03:54:59 AM
Hey remember that time I talked about how Iwata didn't utter a single word during the E3 Digital Event, the video presentation that aired before the start of E3, in which he appeared in the Smash Amiibo reveal sketch with Reggie?
Yes, I know he was in that. And I will remind you again that around that time was when Iwata got really sick and spent most of the rest of the year out of the public spotlight. We don't know how much that affected that Direct's recording. Regardless, yes we got Reggie during the Robot Chicken stuff. That's how it should be, and it worked well. That said, if I can put up with Sony droning on about Powers for what feels like an hour (which they're still doing on their blog), I can tolerate Iwata being on stage for 10 minutes if it means we get a real E3 event instead of Nintendo's Direct-to-Video Direct. I'll reiterate once again: I want the Treehouse stuff to return. I don't get anything out of it, but it's a great idea and clearly so many others did get into it. I just want that and a real press conference.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Triforce Hermit on February 19, 2015, 05:47:10 AM
Press conferences seem useless unless you are announcing something major like a new console. Other then that, it seems like its mainly used to spew bullshit.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 06:11:37 AM
Press conferences seem useless unless you are announcing something major like a new console. Other then that, it seems like its mainly used to spew bullshit.
As opposed, of course, to Nintendo Directs, which Nintendo never uses to spew bullshit.*cough*N64VirtualConsoleOnWiiU*cough*
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Evan_B on February 19, 2015, 08:38:41 AM
I think that we can all agree that Broodwars wants what is worst for Nintendo and isn't afraid to tell everyone else their current ideas are stupid.
Yes, the Direct and the Treehouse material was well-received, and I think Nintendo is aware of that. At the same time, it's always nice to see live reactions- I still remember my first E3 conference and I remember how exciting it was to hear people cheering for stuff. I would gladly take either, but honestly, the last live conference they did was garbage and if it's going to be like that, they should quit while they're ahead.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2015, 08:43:19 AM
The last live conference was garbage because they had very little to show. That E3 probably would have been immensely disappointing to me if I wasn't there in person. If they'd done a regular conference last year it'd have been great because they had a lot of stuff to unveil. When they have the goods, the presentation is good, regardless of how they give it.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2015, 10:11:48 AM
1. If you have an issue with any of the speaking voices on our podcast, you are always welcome to leave feedback at nintendofreeradio@gmail.com, or in the General Discussion threads for any of our podcasts. But I don't have to worry about that, because you never do.
*gasp* So, if I write in enough complaining about your voice, you'll take yourself off the air? Time to start up the grassroots campaign to make it happen. Finally, Broodwars and fun can be used in the same sentence.
Actually listen to our shows and write-in, and I'll entertain the notion of actually caring about what you think, which is more than I do right now. From where I stand, if I'm putting myself out there twice a month for 3 hours at a time (plus editing time, which no one who hasn't done it really appreciates) and I don't hear from someone who claims to listen to the show, I question what use you are to me.
Ha ha ha. What a sales pitch! I've tried to listen to the show but everytime this Austin fella starts talking, I just can't bear to listen anymore because his accent ruins his speech delivery and I just give up.
But seriously, putting on a smug / defensive attitude isn't going to do you any favors if you actually want to attract an audience to your show. If someone told you "I'll entertain the notion of actually caring about what you think" or "I question what use you are to me", would you then decide to listen to that person's opinions on anything? I know you don't care if I actually listen or became a member which is fair because I won't be listening to the show so you don't need to. However, there are other people on these forums who might. People who may side with you on your opinions of things which I don't often do. Yet, even if people agree with you, you can still turn them off and sour them with a haughty and arrogant attitude which that post exudes and thus kill off interest from a potential audience because that kind of a person isn't that enjoyable to spend time with or listen to.
And in the end, that's the funny thing about it all. You put yourself out there doing this show and giving your views. You've got more forum posts than me and you've even got more time online spent on this site than me despite the fact that I've been around 3 years longer. Yet, despite my "smaller presence" if you will, if I were to stop posting here today then I'd be missed by a lot of people on this site. If you did, I'm not sure who would really be that saddened aside from perhaps your podcast mates. The reason is because of how we engage with others, how we present ourselves and our message. It's the language of our posts.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Evan_B on February 19, 2015, 10:15:47 AM
Oh snap.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 19, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
I side with Broodwars here, not just because I have attempted to record and edit a podcast nobody cared to listen to but because I prefer a person who has the balls to be an asshole and not give a **** what weasels think of him. Not saying anyone here is a weasel just saying I prefer someone who doesn't give a **** to someone who has to kiss his audiences ass to get them to listen.
I also side with Ian here, NOT having a big conference when everyone else is does make them look less relevant like they aren't playing with the big boys anymore. Directs are stupid because the people who see them ALREADY own a fucking Nintendo device the E3 conference is seen by far greater numbers of people and the Directs don't get that across it takes extra effort to find them. Everyone covers the Conference.
Also like it has been said before why can't they do both? If they did both nobody would have said anything, why do they constantly have to give people a reason to second guess them when they could just be smart and reach everyone? Smart and Nintendo are not compatible these days.
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Post by: ObbyDent on February 19, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
Of course marvel_moviefan_2012 agrees with broodwars. Buddy, it isn't about whether or not he cares about what people think of him, its how he carries himself when he has a show he obviously cares about and very obviously wants people to watch it. If he verbally assaults people over the show, how is that going to inspire someone who may be on the fence about it to take the time to check it out?
The poor man got the Oblivion lecture and its been a long time coming.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Soren on February 19, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
Also like it has been said before why can't they do both? If they did both nobody would have said anything, why do they constantly have to give people a reason to second guess them when they could just be smart and reach everyone? Smart and Nintendo are not compatible these days.
Last year, NOA was given a budget and told to be responsible with their spending. So they're not going to do both things this year. I expect Nintendo to work with a similar structure and budget and the digital event + live streaming will work just as good as a big budge press conference.
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Post by: Adrock on February 19, 2015, 11:42:23 AM
I also side with Ian here, NOT having a big conference when everyone else is does make them look less relevant like they aren't playing with the big boys anymore. Directs are stupid because the people who see them ALREADY own a fucking Nintendo device the E3 conference is seen by far greater numbers of people and the Directs don't get that across it takes extra effort to find them. Everyone covers the Conference.
That's a tremendous leap in logic. How do you figure that only Nintendo hardware owners are watching the Nintendo Directs?
People at home have to go out of their way to watch both the live press conferences and the Nintendo E3 Digital Event. Everyone is just watching video in front of their computer/TV screens. That sounds like a draw, except the live press conferences are riddled with technical difficulties, awkward pauses, and such. The people attending the actual expo are addressed by all console makers whether the conference is open or closed. That again sounds like a draw.
I have brought up the fact that Nintendo has had a larger booth than Sony numerous times and he has failed to address it. No one attending the actual show is thinking Nintendo is small time. The only way anyone is thinking Nintendo skipped E3 ever is if they deliberately avoided all Nintendo coverage because there's so much news and footage coming from the show. Ian's logic doesn't make sense here. It's more Nintendo-does-everything-wrong rhetoric. There are times I can at least see where he's coming from (even if I disagree). This is not one of those times.
I suppose Nintendo could have an open press conference and a Nintendo E3 Digital Event, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's necessary if they cover the same material. The Digital Event cuts the fat and get right to the point. I don't think the reactions from the live crowd are worth the effort. Sometimes it even obscures what is being shown. The o my reaction that matters to me is my own as I'm watching at home. I've certainly geeked out during E3 before.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 11:54:39 AM
The last live conference was garbage because they had very little to show. That E3 probably would have been immensely disappointing to me if I wasn't there in person. If they'd done a regular conference last year it'd have been great because they had a lot of stuff to unveil. When they have the goods, the presentation is good, regardless of how they give it.
Yeah, I wondered last year if that had more to do with Nintendo's E3 format than anything else. The thinner your lineup (regardless of the quality), the harder it is to blow it out on the big stage. If they had more than 40-50 minutes of content and weren't going through financial problems, I wonder if Nintendo would have done the big "E3 thing" last year.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2015, 12:46:13 PM
Alright, guys, regarding the "other" thing: last night's rant. I'm going to do something that's very hard for me to do and I understand if you skip it: "I'm sorry." I've been going through a very rough patch lately. I lost my job a few months ago, recent prospects don't look good, and I'm finding myself on the bad side of 30 looking back over my life and often wondering what I've accomplished and what the point of it all is. Honestly, if it weren't for the show keeping me connected to 2 of my favorite people to speak to, I don't know if I could hold on. I've made no secret on the show that I've been battling with depression for years. So yes, I'm very protective of our show: the smallest irritations vex me, and I've spent years trying to improve both the quality of the final product as well as my own input in it. It's not right or fair that I take my frustrations about it out on you, and I'm sorry for that.
I still have many, many issues with Nintendo and we're not going to see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but I'm going to try not to take my own real-world issues out on the forums like that again. Hopefully, we can keep the discussion rolling. Now please, don't make a big deal about this.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Ian Sane on February 19, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
Nintendo did the traditional conference for years and years and the only time it ever bit them in the ass is when they had a weak lineup to show, as insanolord has pointed out. A shitty Nintendo E3 usually means a shitty upcoming year.
So since the traditional conference never hurt them and it is the perceived industry standard that Nintendo is the only one not doing, what harm is there in doing it? It doesn't have to be this or the other stuff they've done. They can do both. Give me an example of how it would be BAD for Nintendo to have traditional press conferences again. Give me an example of what they've GAINED by not doing it. It's not like this new way has increased sales - Nintendo has never been worse off since they entered the gaming industry.
Doing the press conference never hurt them, not doing it hasn't helped them in any way, so why not start doing the conferences again if that's the expectation for the industry?
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 19, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
Basically echoes what has been said. Live shows aren't very conducive for showing games by men who don't speak good english.
To Ian's point: What they gain is the ability to show their games to their consumers in a setting most effective to showcase the most important factor, gameplay. The also gain money, as 2 hour press conference can cost a hefty some of coin. (high 6 figures is a modest est). In stead of a press we got a tourney, and 3 days of live coverage straight from the horses mouth. If they can do both AWESOME but Nintendo is saying they can't or won't do both for whatever reason. Then it comes down to choice. Red or blue pill. I can still geek or moan at the other 3 or 4 pressers. As for crowd reactions, I love em to death but thats why God created youtube channels. Some are awesome while others are cringeworthy.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 19, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
well no matter how many people watch it it still does make them look small compared to their competition.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2015, 04:17:08 PM
Does it really, though? Maybe in the short term, but a month out people are going to put a lot more stock in what was shown than in how they showed it.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2015, 04:50:32 PM
I've made no secret on the show that I've been battling with depression for years.
I didn't know that but I sympathize for anyone dealing with it. It's why I always try not to take things too seriously on these forums. One doesn't know the situation another user may be in or what they are really like. One's real life persona can be quite different from their online.
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So yes, I'm very protective of our show: the smallest irritations vex me, and I've spent years trying to improve both the quality of the final product as well as my own input in it. It's not right or fair that I take my frustrations about it out on you, and I'm sorry for that.
Right on. I should clarify that when I say I'm not listening to the show, it isn't because of any defect in quality or content. I honestly don't know what it is like but that's because I don't listen to any podcasts from anybody. The closest I've come is The Ricky Gervais Show which added animations for their podcasts to make it a TV series and some Radio Trivia in the early days of this site's podcasting adventures but I've since stopped. Podcasts are just not of interest to me but I have nothing against those who listen to or make them.
When you made the remarks of disliking Iwata speaking and then mentioned contacting you about the podcast for issues with anyone's speaking voice on it, I seized on it because it was a poor argument. The intent was to show that you were now Iwata and I was Broodwars. My complaining about your speaking voice was not a complaint you were going to take seriously or cause you to stop participating in the podcast. Likewise, Iwata is not going to take your complaint seriously nor is he going to stop participating or being active in Nintendo news unless it does seem to be a negative to marketing and the company. That's why I thought it was such a terrible point to use or bring up and since you brought up your podcast, I thought I'd flip the situation around.
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I still have many, many issues with Nintendo and we're not going to see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but I'm going to try not to take my own real-world issues out on the forums like that again. Hopefully, we can keep the discussion rolling. Now please, don't make a big deal about this.
I want to respect your wishes and not make a big deal out of this and so am trying to be succinct here. I just want to add that I get not everyone on this site sees eye-to-eye on things. That's life and its expected. However, the reason you get more grief about it than other users, I believe, is your tone and word choice. I won't get into specifics to keep things brief. I just think it would help because if people aren't always arguing with you on the posts you make, it will probably make it easier to keep real-life frustrations separate from your posts as you won't have to deal with another source of frustration in defending your comments.
Finally, to your credit, much respect points for addressing the "controversy" and issuing an apology about the situation. Some of the other, (I'll say negatively viewed), posters now and in the past have a terrible habit of not admitting or ignoring if they goofed. At first, when you just posted again on topic, I thought you might be doing the same thing but then you addressed it. Good on you. I didn't think you'd want a negative image for your podcast which is why I took a moment to talk seriously about that. If you thoughtI was attacking your podcast, that wasn't my intent either. I was just trying to make a parallel argument with it and you and the topic on hand since you had brought it up. I apologize myself if you took it another way.
But I'll probably still annoy you again in the future if you post something I think is pretty dumb. Just sayin' ;D
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Back to topic, I do think it would be a step backwards if Nintendo were to have the normal E3 Press Conference again. I'd say it is actually a good example of Nintendo innovation. I think it is the right step and a genius way of controlling the message.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Adrock on February 19, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
Back to topic, I do think it would be a step backwards if Nintendo were to have the normal E3 Press Conference again. I'd say it is actually a good example of Nintendo innovation. I think it is the right step and a genius way of controlling the message.
I agree. This is one of those weird occasions where Nintendo is actually ahead of the curve for a change. The E3 Digital Event and Treehouse Live are so much better for people viewing at home.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
Khush hit the nail on the head, this is all about Nintendo controlling the message. They get to have a one-way show that ensures what they show is under the best possible condition. As Neal pointed out when we were discussing this on Twitter, they don't want a repeat of the E3 press conference where the Skyward Sword demo failed massively onstage. This ensures that.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Louieturkey on February 19, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
Back to topic, I do think it would be a step backwards if Nintendo were to have the normal E3 Press Conference again. I'd say it is actually a good example of Nintendo innovation. I think it is the right step and a genius way of controlling the message.
It's way easier to control a recorded message than it is to control a live press conference where anything could go wrong, especially with how big the presentations have become.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
I'm surprised that Nintendo didn't do something like it sooner actually. Especially after some of the bad conferences that happened. I guess when the conferences were good, it was easier to forget the bad. Yet, I have a feeling that if Wii Music had been debuted and shown in a Nintendo Direct or Digital E3 type video, it probably wouldn't have had such a negative perception and instant loathing that it got from being shown at a traditional press conference.
Instead of having a group of people come on and force enthusiasm to be playing this game at this moment for an awkward moment, making a game appealing is much more easier and simpler by the way it is done now in Nintendo Directs and E3 Digital Events. Insanolord mentioned the Skyward Sword technical issues which is another thing that can crop up even no matter what the quality of the game is and is another example I was thinking of where it instantly starts creating a negative impression in the audience's mind as the presenters start struggling to keep the momentum and enthusiasm up.
Frankly, an E3 presentation is usually just some live commentators talking about a game and then throwing the audiences attention to a brief video of said game over and over. Why not just make it all video? That said, I am glad to have the moment of Reggie immediately exiting off stage after handing it over for the Wii Music performance as he makes sure to not be seen anywhere near the giant bomb about to be unleashed on the audience. Classic stuff and it always makes me laugh.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2015, 05:47:09 PM
I think the other companies mainly do them because that's what's expected and what everyone else does. Nintendo, as usual, could not care less what the conventional way to do something is, and are doing what they think is best for them.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Ian Sane on February 19, 2015, 07:14:17 PM
Skyward Sword issues are a good point. Thought the "control the message" thing also leaves room for abuse, like cherry picking good looking gameplay in a bad game or just outright faking it if the game's controls were too wonky. I trust Nintendo on that but if MS or Sony wanted to do the same thing they would probably be accused of bullshot.
Wii Music got crapped on because the game is one of the worst titles Nintendo has ever released and that was the main focus of E3 that year because THAT was the big holiday game. It was a bad E3 followed by a bad year on the Wii. When did Nintendo get a hostile reaction at E3 that was completely undeserved? They tend to get **** on when their showing is weak and praised when it's good. Hiding the live element doesn't change that. So instead of a live audience shitting on Nintendo they get **** on after the fact online. Plus if the goal to avoid a bad live reaction then don't disappoint. Try not to make bad games. If you have good stuff you'll get the reaction you want. Plus isn't it pretty damn cool to have those situations where the live audience goes nuts for something awesome?
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 19, 2015, 07:40:08 PM
We'll always have the Twilight Princess reveal to remember what the best of E3 can be. As long as Sony and MS keep having them I'll be happy. Also, it looks like Nintendo spends in the 7 figure budget when E3 rolls around. They spend about 200k on booth space alone and thats just to rent the space. Factor in builds, equipment and planners, greasing the local politicians to forgo some unpleasantries and this thing can get up there.
Nintendo hasn't been making a ton of money over the last couple years and this new focus on spending the right money looks like a good move.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
Thought the "control the message" thing also leaves room for abuse, like cherry picking good looking gameplay in a bad game or just outright faking it if the game's controls were too wonky.
You say that like it's something that doesn't happen all the time in live press conferences.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Evan_B on February 19, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
With the live streaming, you have a group of people who, while not casual players, are also a part of Nintendo's PR team. They are sometimes good players, sometimes bad, but when you're looking at that kind of format it's hard to fake controls. Maybe cherry picking might be an issue, but that's all.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Soren on February 19, 2015, 08:28:27 PM
Thought the "control the message" thing also leaves room for abuse, like cherry picking good looking gameplay in a bad game or just outright faking it if the game's controls were too wonky. I trust Nintendo on that but if MS or Sony wanted to do the same thing they would probably be accused of bullshot.
See: Watch_Dogs, The Order, Aliens Colonial Marines, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Nintendo controlling the marketing message any more than any other dev/pub. I think it's a real problem, but Nintendo has more of a problem not commenting when things go off-script, rather than in their initial presentation.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 20, 2015, 12:02:58 AM
Wii Music got crapped on because the game is one of the worst titles Nintendo has ever released...
Eh...I don't know about that, man. If you really look over Nintendo's history, their floor goes pretty damn deep. As bad as Wii Music probably is, I don't think it's up there with the likes of Urban Champion, Odama, Metroid, Kid Icarus, and Balloon Fight.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2015, 12:15:03 AM
Hey, the President of Nintendo Co. Ltd. assures me that Balloon Fight is actually an excellent game.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 20, 2015, 12:37:19 AM
Nintendo made E3 what it is, not having them present just means that either they are becoming irrelevant or E3 as a whole is becoming irrelevant that might be what is actually happening here.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: broodwars on February 20, 2015, 12:40:34 AM
Nintendo made E3 what it is, not having them present just means that either they are becoming irrelevant or E3 as a whole is becoming irrelevant that might be what is actually happening here.
I also kind of question the assumption that companies don't get anything out of E3 press conferences when Bethesda's going to do one this year for the first time ever. If they were really the monetary black hole that's been suggested, you'd think Bethesda would be happy to just piggyback off of the Sony & Microsoft press events & save themselves some major money.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2015, 01:10:38 AM
Clearly the mainstream opinion in the industry is that they're beneficial, but the question is how accurate that perception is, and I don't think there's really a good way to track that.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Adrock on February 20, 2015, 06:31:19 AM
Nintendo made E3 what it is, not having them present just means that either they are becoming irrelevant or E3 as a whole is becoming irrelevant that might be what is actually happening here.
I also kind of question the assumption that companies don't get anything out of E3 press conferences when Bethesda's going to do one this year for the first time ever. If they were really the monetary black hole that's been suggested, you'd think Bethesda would be happy to just piggyback off of the Sony & Microsoft press events & save themselves some major money.
Or it wants to think it has a seat at the adults table. "If Activision has a press conference, we should have a press conference."
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Shaymin on February 20, 2015, 07:42:07 AM
Let's just cancel all the press conferences unless Tak Fuji (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU2d_Pld3w8) is hosting them. These conferences need to be more EXTREEEEEEEME.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 20, 2015, 10:37:25 AM
Let's just cancel all the press conferences unless Tak Fuji (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU2d_Pld3w8) is hosting them. These conferences need to be more EXTREEEEEEEME.
Such a classic should not ever be forgotten.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Ian Sane on February 20, 2015, 12:15:03 PM
Thought the "control the message" thing also leaves room for abuse, like cherry picking good looking gameplay in a bad game or just outright faking it if the game's controls were too wonky.
You say that like it's something that doesn't happen all the time in live press conferences.
Yeah that's true, but it's easier to spot someone faking the controls when they're on stage doing it.
To me the conference is the expected industry standard. Nintendo hanging out on the outskirts of the rest of the industry hasn't done them too many favours lately. I just think it's important that they look like they're still a part of the industry. Like they're not some wackjob fuddy-duddy company struggling to remain relevant (thought that kind of IS what they are) but still a real force in videogames. Nintendo has the failing console, they stop having a conference at E3 around the same time - it just looks bad from a PR perspective. Besides Nintendo could stand to do SOME things conventionally for a change.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 20, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
I am actually going to change my position on this, just from a financial stand point. If it saves them money and they can reinvest that into growing Wii U then I am all for it. But only because they really need to invest in making more games and if saving money on a conference gives them the resources to make more games who cares if they are irrelevant the fact is to gaming as a whole they have been irrelevant since they showed off the Wii remote.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 20, 2015, 02:40:40 PM
the fact is to gaming as a whole they have been irrelevant since they showed off the Wii remote.
Interesting, care to expound on that?
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2015, 05:07:47 PM
Last I checked Galaxy 2 was tied for best rated game of the last generation on Metacritic. They were definitely relevant to gaming as a whole at least some of the time since then. The big stuff still brings in attention.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 20, 2015, 05:39:25 PM
Gamerankings.com has it at 3rd, with SMG at #1...and that's for all time. Ocarina of Time is at #2.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2015, 05:46:24 PM
I also remember seeing a whole bunch of tweets from game media people saying they were ignoring their brand new Xbox One and/or PS4 because they were too busy playing Mario 3D World, so I think it's safe to say EAD Tokyo is definitely relevant.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 20, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
...do what I do , Start by making an outrageous claim nobody in their right mind could believe...and watch the replies flood in... plus the rest of the forums are for me to converse with the voices in my head...there will be those who still enjoy it because they will never say anything bad about Nintendo because they are too emotionally invested in this company...I used to be that way then I got my hands on a Wii
Yeah THREE big games in 20 years makes them relevant to gaming as a whole now. I think its safer to say they are relevant to a shrinking populace of die hard loyalists and a few straggles who have moved on but still wish for them to make a come back. They are still around but they are far from relevant.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
You must think pretty highly of yourself you confuse the ideas of you and gaming as a whole in your head.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Evan_B on February 20, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
I think you're hitting the nail on the head there.
Too many fans of video games have a hard time distinguishing their tastes and opinions with the rest of the world. I'm continuously baffled by people who play sports games until I remember to check myself.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 20, 2015, 11:05:13 PM
Yeah THREE big games in 20 years makes them relevant to gaming as a whole now. I think its safer to say they are relevant to a shrinking populace of die hard loyalists and a few straggles who have moved on but still wish for them to make a come back. They are still around but they are far from relevant.
"Mr. Marvel_Moviefan_2012, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read that. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 20, 2015, 11:42:22 PM
:-\
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Adrock on February 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
What in the... I saw this post before you edited it. You would have been better off leaving it as the sarcastic thank you. Nile quoted Billy Madison, you know, that silly Adam Sandler movie from like 1995. Take the joke.
EDIT: I removed the quoted posts due to fremdschämen.
Here's the reference:
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2015, 12:38:38 AM
Yeah, that post was in quotes because it was from a movie. It was clearly a joke. Having dissenting opinions is fine, and actually probably a good thing for our community, but you have to accept that if you're going to hold opinions that most people don't you're going to have a lot of people ready to debate you on them.
I think you've been a good member here recently and have done well to stay within the rules. I'd be sad to lose you after this.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 21, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
I am sorry bro. I had no ill will toward you in anyway. Like the others said it was a joke, a quote from what I mistakingly thought was a well known movie. You are free to have any view you want about Nintendo, Nirvana or the Pope. I shall not judge or ridicule you. I would also hate to lose you or anyone from here. Ive been here quite sometime and I have never once made a post filled with hate and or vitriol for anyone. Again, I humbly apologize to you for setting you off and making you feel any type off way. MY BAD.
(This is what happens when I make sober threads and post. I blame Rick Powers)
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015 would it be a step back?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 21, 2015, 01:45:22 AM
Yeah THREE big games in 20 years makes them relevant to gaming as a whole now. I think its safer to say they are relevant to a shrinking populace of die hard loyalists and a few straggles who have moved on but still wish for them to make a come back. They are still around but they are far from relevant.
"Mr. Marvel_Moviefan_2012, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read that. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
thanks, I appreciate the kind words.
(Imagine a really big, long-winded and sometimes weird rant here)
"Mr. Marvel_Moviefan_2012, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read that. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Do you think he'll understand the joke this time? Also, this seems to be the thread for meltdowns. People are really passionate about Nintendo's E3 presentation choice here.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2015, 02:23:42 AM
Reggie said his body is ready for a reason. E3 press conferences are intensely physical and psychological experiences, and thus people have very passionate feelings about them.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 21, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
What the hell happened in this thread?
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Post by: Adrock on February 21, 2015, 08:52:45 AM
Nile quoted Billy Madison, marvel_moviefan didn't get the reference, and flipped out again.
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Post by: Soren on February 21, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
Who wants chowder?
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 21, 2015, 10:56:39 AM
Flips outs often does he? I honestly never noticed.
Related to E3, is there a chance we get another Smash Invitational this year? Full roster and 9 months for the pro players to get really awesome. It could be dope. I get the launch window has already past but that would be the perfect time to announce/launch the non Mewtwo DLC characters /stages. Looked back on last June they really just did everything right for me.
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Post by: Adrock on February 21, 2015, 12:40:56 PM
Flips outs often does he? I honestly never noticed.
Not often, but he has his moments every once in a while when he thinks people are picking on him (I was the last person he really went off on if I remember correctly... It was kind of funny), but I don't think any current regular is outwardly hostile toward anyone. I know it looks like I mock people sometimes (namely Ian), but I wish no ill will on anyone. Except Brandogg. **** that guy.
Seriously, we're talking video games here. Everyone chill.
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Related to E3, is there a chance we get another Smash Invitational this year? Full roster and 9 months for the pro players to get really awesome. It could be dope. I get the launch window has already past but that would be the perfect time to announce/launch the non Mewtwo DLC characters /stages. Looked back on last June they really just did everything right for me.
I think it's definitely possible. We should have the tournament mode update by then. It would also be a perfect time to announce DLC beyond Mewtwo if Nintendo goes that way.
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Post by: Soren on February 21, 2015, 01:08:35 PM
Pfft. Splatoon Tournament all day every day...
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Post by: broodwars on February 21, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
*looks over the last day of posting in this thread*
"Too early for flapjacks?"
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Post by: Shaymin on February 21, 2015, 04:28:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/09XS6Mi.gif)
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: lolmonade on February 22, 2015, 09:08:17 AM
Regardless of whether it's live or via internet, what Nintendo should have learned is that their press conference will suck unless they have content actually worth sharing. The Nintendo Direct route worked last year because they had a plenty of new & interesting announcements of games, and then had developers actually talking about the games, their philosophies while making the games, and sharing more detail/etc.
The delivery method doesn't matter, the only exception being that it would be harder to have the presentation seem more conversational like they did with some of the developers last year.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
It needs to be live. Not being live basically says "we know that no one would clap for this."
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: Soren on February 22, 2015, 11:57:29 AM
It needs to be live. Not being live basically says "we know that no one would clap for this."
No, it's more like "we're not going to keep paying people to just show up and clap/holler during the presentation."
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 22, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
In the grand scheme of things the conferences are pointless anyway. Less then 1% of the gaming public actually watch them with everybody else finding out about the information told in them later anyway. With the Nintendo Directs, the information that would have been told in the conference, is still being told anyway anyway, so over 99% of everyone else will find out about Nintendo's E3 reveals the same way.
Unless you're actually going to be at E3 itself, being live doesn't make that much of a difference. Most of us will be watching it from are computers anyway, so a conference or a Nintendo Direct are basically the same for many of us anyway. The only difference is things like the terrible Skyward Sword demo won't happen like was talked about earlier, but last I checked, that's kind of a good thing.
Yes I can understand the members of the gaming press like the staff at NWR wanting a live conference since for them it's a much more exiting event since they're literally right there to see it all happen. But for me, watching it on my computer in my crappy little apartment over a 1000 miles away, the live aspect doesn't really effect me now, does it.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: broodwars on February 22, 2015, 12:46:03 PM
That is one thing I really miss in the Directs, though: actual game demos. You don't get that in the Directs. Instead, you get a pre-packaged commercial of the game running, carefully edited to remove any semblance of flaws. It just has this very artificial feeling to it, much like the Directs in general. By contrast, guy goes up and plays the Uncharted 4 demo at the PlayStation Experience, and he falls through the floor at one point. Yep, that's definitely a work in progress being played live. There's just a certain authenticity to that that I miss in the Directs. Instead, those get shunted off to Treehouse Live, which I can never catch live because I can only ensure certain blocks of my time to watching the press conferences themselves. So I tune it in a few hours later, and it turns out I missed the segment on the game I actually care about, and now they're talking about some worthless indie game. I generally prefer all the big news/demos of a company packaged in with the conference, just because it ensures I can catch the important things all in one block when I have the time allocated for that.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 23, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
Personally, I am not a big fan of the giant press conference announcements. I really appreciated everything Nintendo did at E3 last year and I loved the Tree House sitting down and showing us the games...that was really impressive.
So, I don't care if Nintendo has a real E3 press conference. I want Nintendo to get the information out and bring us compelling content...or compelling demos of the games to the public.
So Nintendo Directs are the way to go. But I wouldn't mind seeing Nintendo inviting the press to a special "Nintendo Party" that just allowed them to play the games and record demos in the environment possible....good audio and sound.
As for what I want to see. Expand that Tree House Coverage...make sure every game releasing on a Nintendo system 3rd party or 1st party are shown. and go all out on the video coverage. Spend E3 celebrating video games...not just trying to have a big expensive press conference and floor booth that really equates to nothing.
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 26, 2015, 12:34:29 AM
I will just say I am sorry for the rant guys. No I didn't catch the reference I thought it was a genuine attack. I feel like a complete idiot now. In my defense, aside from life in general sucking at the moment, I HATE Adam Sandler and so I don't watch any of his movies. I am not likely to get any reference to anything he has been in as a result.
Nile I am deeply sorry I mistook your comment as hate. Peace? Truce? Reluctant forgiveness?
Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 26, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
Water under the bridge my friend.
But just to be safe:
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Title: Re: If Nintendo has a "real" Press Conference at E32015...I award you no points!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 03, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
Now that I have had some time to reflect on it some more, I think Nintendo would be best to completely shun E3 entirely and just move on. At this point no matter what they are going to do will divide the fanbase so might as well just ignore it and stick with Directs and go back to doing their own shows like they did those Space World things a few years ago. If they truly are marching to their own beat then to hell with the mainstream gaming press just do their own thing and be proud. I still think ditching E3 hurts their image but if their image is what it is what does it hurt just saying screw it and do their own thing.
