Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 11, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Title: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 11, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Or something? I would think that Zelda is Nov and I don't expect Star Fox to be released before summer but isn't kinda rare for a game of this "magnitude" to be kept so under raps. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Evan_B on January 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
Star Fox isn't going to be a game or any magnitude. It will be like Captain Toad, Kirby, and Mario Maker- a cheaper game to pad out the lack of titles on Wii U.
We should be seeing a trailer in a month or two- or maybe they'll save it for E3.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 11, 2015, 08:28:33 PM
It's only January. Nintendo has had no problems waiting until a few months before even revealing games. Hell 2 years ago Mario & Luigi Dream Team was announced during an April Nintendo Direct and then released 3 months later in Japan and Europe and that game was a sequel to a game that sold over 5 million copies.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Soren on January 11, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
When was the last time a Top franchise debuted and released within 6months?
Star Fox is a cornerstone franchise that should never be treated like a budget title. LOVE HER AS IF ITS YOUR OWN BABY!!
TRAILER in the next direct, it better be.
Star Fox is not a corner stone franchise. I wish it were, but I don't think it ever was, and certainly isn't now that they've gone nearly a decade without making one. At this point I think we should just be happy they're actually making one.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 07:34:11 AM
I hear Star Fox U is the spiritual sequel to Wii Music with the depth of Urban Champion. GET HYPE!
THAT IS IT! YOU CAN"T PLAY IT WHEN IT RELEASES I 2017.
I think it is a top tier franchise even if it didn't release on Wii. Fzero skipped the Wii and we are...er, um..never mind. Metroid skipped the N64 but was still considered a pillar. There have been times that a franchise takes some time off to get its stuff together and Star Fox Assault wasn't all that awesome so it may have soured them to try again too soon. ANYWAY, now that there is a direct 2moro I expect STAR FOX to be shown in some major capacity.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2015, 07:41:00 AM
I'm not sure Metroid is really a cornerstone franchise either, though I think it has a lot more street cred than Star Fox. This has nothing to do with quality, as those are maybe two of my three favorite Nintendo series, but they're not things you can build a release schedule around. They're secondary franchise with a lot of niche appeal, specifically to the niche that is us.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
I'm not sure Metroid is really a cornerstone franchise either, though I think it has a lot more street cred than Star Fox. This has nothing to do with quality, as those are maybe two of my three favorite Nintendo series, but they're not things you can build a release schedule around. They're secondary franchise with a lot of niche appeal, specifically to the niche that is us.
Fair enough. Top Tier: Mario, Zelda, Smash, POKEMON, Fire Emblem and Kart (Kirby?) 2nd Tier: Everything else?
It shames my gaming soul to think that Metroid, F-Zero and Star Fox are considered lower tier. I guess I'm showing my age. Star Fox was once "King of the Hill"
...I dreamed a dream, and now that dream is gone from me!
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Post by: Soren on January 13, 2015, 09:38:20 AM
Animal Crossing is more top tier than Fire Emblem and Kirby. Those two are second tier and only because the last FE game sold well, otherwise it would have been niche city way behind Star Fox and Metroid.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2015, 09:55:44 AM
The only things I'd call top tier in this regard without hesitation are Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, and Smash. Maybe Mario Kart. Fire Emblem might be in there in Japan, but not worldwide.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
I have to imagine we'll see a trailer of how awful the latest Star Fox is sometime during Wednesday's Direct. We already know it won't be playable till E3 (Nintendo's said as much), so a teaser trailer at the beginning or end of the latest Direct would make sense.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2015, 12:14:22 PM
It's way too early to be calling this Star Fox awful. We know next to nothing regarding how it's going to play, and, much more importantly, what studio's developing it.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2015, 12:48:12 PM
Facts have never stood in Broodwars way before and they're not going to now!
It's way too early to be calling this Star Fox awful. We know next to nothing regarding how it's going to play, and, much more importantly, what studio's developing it.
No, when Miyamoto's already talking about forced Gamepad motion control, combined with the series' history of terrible releases post-Star Fox 64, the safe money's on it being a bad game. I'm prepared for Nintendo to shatter those low expectations they've gone to such pains to set for themselves, but it's not looking hopeful so far.
As for Khushrenada, he's fortunate the forums have rules against me saying exactly what I'd like to say to him right now.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2015, 01:01:18 PM
Be creative. I was.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
I'm ready for a good Star Fox as much as anyone, and an episodic format is a good direction for a series whose traditional value proposition doesn't make sense in 2015 at $50. But I've seen Nintendo do this "No, really! We've learned how to make a good Star Fox!" song & dance twice before and got burned both times (Armada, Command). I'll believe Nintendo's figured it out this time when they actually prove it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
Wait, I've just come up with a brilliant idea for this game: Star Fox X Disaster: Day of Crisis.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
If Star Fox and F-Zero were top tier would Nintendo have just passed them off to third parties on the Gamecube? While it worked out great for F-Zero the whole thing just reeked of "oh, the fans want those, too? Eh, just find someone else to do them."
I'm sceptical of a new Star Fox for the same reason why I stopped paying attention to Sonic games. Every Star Fox since 64 has been ass on a stick and that's even with Nintendo themselves making one. This is one I would wait for the reviews on. And with once great series you're always going to have a bunch of diehard fanboys that will praise it no matter how crappy it is (ie: EVERY new Sonic is a "return to form" in the eyes of the guys who still buy Sonic games) so you're not even sure whose opinion to trust.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2015, 02:05:04 PM
To be honest, your posts haven't really bugged me that much of late like in the past. For whatever reason, the snap judgement on Star Fox irked me and felt like a return to the dismissive and negative attitude you seemed to post with more frequency before. Rather than just get into a "why so negative" conversation, I thought I'd do a quick burn on you instead although maybe it ended up closer to a scorched Earth.
Anyways, Star Fox. To be honest, I've still enjoyed all the Star Fox games. As much as Star Fox 64 always gets cited as the best and the model to copy, I've never been averse to trying to open up the series more. Finding the alternate routes through Lylat to get a better high score or be able to actually play a couple levels that you missed instead of the default route isn't that compelling to me. I'd rather play them all then skip a few every time I play through the game.
Star Fox Command suffered from repetition. I had a great time with it at first. However, intercepting a missile and flying through its jet stream to shoot it down for the 40th time is not as fun or entertaining like the first 5 times you did it. The more you played it, the more repetitious the enemies and levels and missions were. It needed more variety.
I appreciate Star Fox: Assault's desire to mix things up with free-roaming and fixed scrolling levels while giving different objectives on foot, land and air. Sure, the controls could have been better but they never detracted from my experience too much. In the case of ST:A, there are no alternate routes. You just progress along to different planets in accord with the story. However, the missions are longer than in ST64 or ST:C in order to beef up the adventure for a console. That said, it still doesn't take too long to beat the game and unless you really want to get gold medals on everything, there's little to keep coming back to the game.
Personally, my favorite air combat game is still Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 1 and 2 and I'd love if Star Fox were to follow in that direction. Alternate routes aren't a big draw for me so I don't mind a linear progression. Just make the levels fun with varied objectives. An episodic formula might be a good solution in that it is like taking alternate routes but they are all laid out in linear fashion. You just pick your episode and that's the route you'd take. I hope I'm making that thought clear.
Still, Star Fox is a series in which I've never been that bothered by the faults in it. At the same time, aside from Star Fox Adventures, I've never been compelled to spend a whole lot of time with the games in it.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 13, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
I never got the appeal to Star Fox honestly, I mean it was dated before it was released. The only one I liked was Adventures and everyone else hates that one for no good reason so don't trust my opinion on a new true to form whatever. I am only even looking at it because there is just not much else and at this point I might as well go all in because if it does bomb then it becomes a rare gem down the road.
On topic though, I don't see why this won't be mentioned in the next direct. It will be out this year there is no way it gets delayed unless Nintendo has officially given up on Wii U and so far that doesn't look to be the case anymore.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Triforce Hermit on January 13, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
I agree with everything Khush said.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
I never got the appeal to Star Fox honestly, I mean it was dated before it was released.
I agree in that I find the SNES Star Fox to actually be the weakest game. However, Star Fox 64 gave a better picture of what the series could be and was closer to the vision a lot of fans had about it when it first came out on the SNES and had Nintendo Power comics made of it. I love the idea of space adventures with animals. *GASP* Animal Crossing in Space! That's a genius idea. I must make sure no one steals it....
Back on track, Star Fox is a bit like the Star Wars of the Nintendo Universe. You could make a lot of parallels between the two series. Unlike Mario, it had a history already to it with many characters and personalities and motivations. Rather than go through the whole origins of everything, you just dive into that world and start in the middle of where these characters are.
I guess it's the same thing that appeals to me a bit about F-Zero. You have all these crazy and interesting racers and you wonder a bit what that world is like and what kinds of other stories and histories there are. What other planets are there to explore and see. And the opening cinematic of Star Fox 64 and Star Fox: Assault with the crew assembling to head into battle with the mission type music playing is another little thing that just appeals to me. I want to join up with this crew and head off into spectacular adventures and battles.
Here's the Assault intro again:
I have no idea how many times I've watched that but I still love it. The music, the call to action and the glimpses of interesting Lylat locations and missions. To me, that brief little opening encapsulates why I'm still excited about Star Fox and why I'll always care about this franchise.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: King of Twitch on January 13, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
When the black screen of the trailer shows up with Falco's voice coming in over the intercom, then the screen flashes with HD Corneria, all the haters will wet their beds! I know I will.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
Then don't be a hater and you can sleep in a dry bed tomorrow.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 03:51:09 PM
I just realized that I've been basing my franchise tier level based on characters in Smash64. The original 8. Maybe back then it was correct but now...
I never have expectations for ND but for some reason I'm expecting the world maybe the Universe.
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Post by: Ceric on January 13, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
I think Star Fox could thrive in an Episodic nature if its truly episodic and not just a bigger game split up.
Have a bit of self contained story that feeds into the overall plot and allow them to mix it up some. Like if you don't want to do the Land Master episode you don't have too and can still do the episode afterwards without being totally lost.
Think American Cartoon vs Anime.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
Personally, my favorite air combat game is still Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 1 and 2 and I'd love if Star Fox were to follow in that direction. Alternate routes aren't a big draw for me so I don't mind a linear progression. Just make the levels fun with varied objectives. An episodic formula might be a good solution in that it is like taking alternate routes but they are all laid out in linear fashion. You just pick your episode and that's the route you'd take. I hope I'm making that thought clear.
I'm a big fan of the Rogue Squadron games as well and that seems like the logical path the Star Fox series should have taken. Though by the time Star Fox Assault came around Rogue Leader had already done it. Both series have a point where the devs tried to incorporate on-foot missions and both were a total disaster and that has pretty much spooked everyone on the idea of leaving the vehicles. The feeling is that they have to stay in the vehicles but then that starts to restrict the design itself and the whole idea comes across as too "small" to be a fully priced game.
Star Fox is basically just straightforward shooter missions but aren't there tons of first and third person shooters that do that but don't come across as too short? I'm sure if you can make "shoot all the bad guys in a glorified corridor" exciting enough to justify a full price you can do the same thing from within an Arwing.
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
Maybe the Arwing can transform into a mech for ground missions like Macross? And, I don't want any episodic BS, give me a full game dammit. (I'll take any Star fox I can get)
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Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2015, 09:19:28 PM
On a side note, if aircraft that can transform into mecha Macross-style is your thing (as it is mine), I'd recommend you hunt down a copy of Robotech: Battlecry for the GameCube. Not a phenomenal game by any stretch of the imagination, but it prominently features that mechanic.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 07:25:19 AM
I bought the Limited Edition way back when. Tshirt, art book dog tags, the whole nine. And your right it wasn't super duper but it got the job done.(And they finally got the Macross/Robotech style missiles done the right way).
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 14, 2015, 09:47:42 AM
Dang, sorry Boogie
Title: Re: "If" Star Fox U is coming before Zelda, isn't about time for a trailer?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
THIS IS BULLSHIT!...this game is never coming out is it?
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Post by: Soren on January 14, 2015, 09:58:42 AM
It will be there at E3. The game will probably release in the Fall so it can wait.
And by Fall I mean Spring 2016.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 10:13:38 AM
I..this...why?
"How does she take me to the prom and not wanna dance with me? I bought a tux, rented a nice car and everything but I guess she just needed a ride."
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 14, 2015, 08:04:04 PM
On a side note, if aircraft that can transform into mecha Macross-style is your thing (as it is mine), I'd recommend you hunt down a copy of Robotech: Battlecry for the GameCube. Not a phenomenal game by any stretch of the imagination, but it prominently features that mechanic.
I second this, I loved that game it was flawed but it was pretty good for what it was considering the Gamecubes overall library.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 14, 2015, 11:55:26 PM
THIS IS BULLSHIT!...this game is never coming out is it?
Even if the game comes out this summer, there can easily be two more Nintendo Directs between now and then.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 15, 2015, 12:05:26 AM
I think there will be more than that. Since August last year, we've had a Direct every month except December. It could be that this becomes a monthly thing. It's what I've started to suspect may yet occur.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Last year they had games to reveal, do they still have games to reveal for next year and the rest of this year though? Maybe they will need to hype of New 3DS (still an idiotic name), or will they leave some room for Wii U? They can't support both systems they are spread too thin as it is, so either they devote resources to Wii U and neglect New 3DS and leave it out to dry, OR they neglect Wii U thinking, erroneously, that they handful of token games announced so far actually is enough and then they sit back with their thumbs up their butts and watch people not buy either system.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 15, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
i wish Reggie or iwata would just force Nintendo directors to watch Star wars and Ninja turtles(89), just so they unconsciously yearn to push a good star fox out.
same deal with Metroid, force Aliens series and Star wars on Nintendo employees.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
There's definitely going to still be games for the rest of the year. This Direct was clearly for the spring. There will likely be one for summer detailing Star Fox and w/e Miyamoto is working on. And maybe like two for Zelda and one just for Splatoon.
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Post by: Phil on January 17, 2015, 10:29:07 PM
Ah, Star Fox Assault... I really dug the Star Fox team's look in there. I wish Smash Bros. used that model instead of the dorky Command one.
Anyway, Assault is a game I really enjoyed. Held no figurative candles to 64, but it was a nice game with excellent music, nice spectacle, and a robust multiplayer mode.
As for Star Fox on Wii U, remember that Captain Toad and many games like it had an E3 trailer in the past and then released that very year. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new trailer and a debut demo at E3 with a release in the fall.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 18, 2015, 01:07:30 PM
After so long I I'm happy we are getting a new Star Fox and if it's episodic fine, give me a bunch of missions in pieces then. I do worry about the controls though. We do know the angle of the ship and aiming reticle are separated this time. I guess like Sin and Punishment? Which isn't bad at all but part of that will be motion based and I worry just a little bit.
What Miyamoto described sounds very similar to the Metroid game in Nintenoland. As a matter of fact that was supposed to be Star Fox but they changed it since Star Fox's ships don't move like that. You can bet some of the will now though, like a helicopter or something. I found the ship controls in Metroid Blast to be fun but I'm not entirely convinced. Well mostly for extended multiplayer sessions any way.
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Post by: Stratos on January 18, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
My only complaints with Assault were the campy voice acting and the multiplayer being limited to 4 people. The game needed 16-player LAN support.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
I'm not sure there was any GameCube game that needed online play more than that one did. The multiplayer was fantastic, but most people never really got to experience it.
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Post by: NintendoBuff on February 05, 2015, 11:55:06 PM
Can't wait for both games. They're gonna be awesome :p
Any trailer on http://youtube.com/ yet?
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 06, 2015, 12:05:13 AM
Did you guys see the Starfox 2 cameo on Giantbomb? About twenty minutes in.
